Building A Brand in Media With Emmy Award Winner Kelvin Washington
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Being all in is my mantra and it's what I live by. I hope that you find value in this podcast and I look forward to connecting with you on the other side. Let's go. Welcome to the All In Podcast. I'm your host, Rod Watson. Today we got another great special guest. Today's topic is building a brand in TV and media. And today's special guest is Emmy award-winning TV anchor on Spectrum One News Los Angeles, Mr. Kelvin Washington.

Kelvin, man, thanks for coming on today. How you doing? What's up, bro? Man, I appreciate you having me, man. I appreciate the intro, too. You made the boy feel like he was doing something in life out here in the streets. Hey, you've been doing big things for a long time, brother, and I'm happy to see, you know, the success that you are now being basically acknowledged for all your great accomplishments in the space of TV and media. And you definitely do a great job of representing for the culture. So I'm excited about today's podcast interview because I've got some questions for you.

you know, around the success you've built for yourself and building a brand in the space of TV and media and how you've kept it real the entire time. And I think that's what's made you special at the end of the day. And it's caught my attention. It definitely inspired me as I've ventured into the media career. As you know, I've had some time in radio with ESPN and it's been great to sit back and watch you on those morning shows with Marcella. So let's dive in and talk about, you know, how you developed this amazing brand for yourself and the impact that you're now having on the

Coach, I like the pocket square, by the way. You're coming in sharp today. Oh, come on, man. Come on. Appreciate it, man. Yeah, this is a little – I'm changing up the look a little bit, man, because, you know, you're on TV five, six days a week, man. You know what I mean? You kind of – at a certain point, you kind of like, all right, maybe I'll switch it up. I'll do no tie. Maybe I'll do button-up. Maybe I'll do T-shirt kind of sweater swag underneath it. So Henleys and all that good stuff. I appreciate it, man. You need to pass the plug on that stylish that you sent out. You looking at it, man.

Man, seriously, bro. Like, people, you know, thankfully have had some people like some of the style and things I wear, man. Yeah. And they laugh. Oh, you must do this. You must put so much thought. I say, man, I walk in my little locker here. I go, bam, bam, let's do it. Let's do it. This shirt I got on, bro, I wore this in the day, just what I wore in the work. And I was throwing a button up, but then I got inspired, man. But I think – I do think that actually plays –

a bit into like me as far as you're talking about branding, man, is who I am. I think if you,

The way I like to dress, I tell people around here, y'all see me in suits all day, man. If you ran up to me at 7-Eleven, I'll be in some sweats, a hoodie, a hat to the back, blasting some Jeezy. They'll be like, wait a minute, what? And I tell them, man, I think that's, you know, for me, what's been part of my identity or brand is being able to be multifaceted. And I approach the same thing with style as I do on air. You know, whether it's radio, whether it's here, the multiple roles that I play here, just

Just being able to be versatile, bro. I think that's the new day and age we're in right now. It's no longer just kind of pigeonholing. You're right, man. You hit the nail on the head. I think that being able to be versatile, right, and being able to, at all multi-facets, being able to fit in, you know, whether it's with the streets or with pop culture or if you got to get suited and booted, man, you're able to walk in any room and

performing and be yourself still at the same time that's one of the things i've always liked about you is that you're 100 genuine and of course when i'm waking up in the mornings in la and i'm turning on spectrum one that's like this dude is sharp every single time you know i'd be messing with you tagging you in the post yeah and i and i do that too too because i want the coach to also see you know man at the end of the day we can still represent and be clean but be authentic and still

you know, be ourselves. And oftentimes the stigma is that, you know, coming from our culture, you know, being black African-American and growing up, you know, whether you're from the hood or from an urban community is that you got to change and you can't be yourself in media today, you know, and in the news world and that, and you've shown that that's obviously not the case. So let's dive in, man. Typically every show we start out with what's called all in or not, meaning with this being the all in podcast,

We want to know if you're all in on the actual questions that I'm going to ask you. And if you're not, you just say not. So I've got two questions for you. Number one is, are you all in for the Clippers winning game seven tonight or not? You know what's funny? I'm going to actually say not.

Here's why. On paper, they should, right? On paper, they shouldn't even be – you've seen they've been up big in the last game, five days, six. On several games. The hooper in me is like, yes, right? They absolutely should. They got Paul George, one of the top – wherever you want to put them, 15, 20 players in the league. Kawhi, a top, what, three player in the league. You've got a great coach. You've got two six-man of the year on the team and everything.

But here's what's interesting, man. They have been in this position over the last five, six years, a couple of times where you're like, they got this. Oh, they're going to win this. Oh, they got it. Something just happens. And I ain't a brother that believes in curses, but my goodness, it's like, what is going on with the Clippers? We're

success just continues to elude them for the next level of success. Because you could argue they have been very successful compared to what they've been the last 25, 30 years. Absolutely. But I just think, I don't know, man. I mean, so the Hooper in me says yes, they're going to win, but

living in L.A. now for a decade and just watching how it operates for the Clippers, I'm like, man, they're going to mess around and find a way to lose this. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I agree with you on that. You know, watching them all season long, one of the things I thought would maybe possibly come back and bite them in the ass in the end was that

There was no real chemistry and camaraderie amongst the team because so many of your key players are taking games off. And, you know, like you said, being a Hooper, that matters. You know, when you go through an 80 plus game or, you know, 30, 40, 50 game season and you don't have your core guys together, not practicing together, you're,

those intricacies of timing and knowing where your player is going to be. Yeah, you can be a baller and be an all-star, but that cohesiveness, when that's not there, especially when you get in late games or you get big leads and keeping those leads and maintaining them,

That happens in practice, you know, and that is something I think, you know, where you build trust. And I felt like that would at the end, even though a lot of people like, oh, you know, they're built for the Lakers. They're built for, you know, game seven against the Lakers. Like you got to get through all these other teams, too. Don't make no mistake. And now the other dynamic with COVID that I've seen and I said this before the playoffs even started. I said, listen, if the playoffs happen in the bubble the way they're speaking on.

There's no home court advantage. Right. I don't care what the seedings are. And there's no pressure on players. Like when you're playing on an opposing team, you got your mom in the stands, you done bought 100 tickets, you got people, you got media, you got the world watching you.

that's a different thing in the bright lights. Whereas when you're in a controlled bubble, like the players are playing, you're seeing bench and bench players and roll guys having, you know, out of body experience record game 50 plus point back to back games being scored by role players. Right. And so I felt like when you lose that edge, you have to definitely be able to have the chemistry there and you have to be able to capitalize and close out games. And I,

And the Clippers just haven't been efficient in doing that, which is kind of surprising for a Doc Rivers team to see them blowing the leads that they've had with the veteran guys and playing against a team like Denver, where mostly young, new guys. Let me throw this at you. So, you know, again, you're a Hooper. You know the game. You watch the game. You play the game.

One of the reasons why I think you're seeing that is because they don't actually have a floor leader. Kawhi's their best player, without a doubt. And he can get – he's an automatic, efficient bucket. He going to get you a mid-range J in somebody's face.

That's right. But who else is kind of the – you're even seeing it with the Lakers, the Rondo, playoff Rondo, right? All right, slow it up. Speed it up. Are we going to work him? He hot right now. Who's that guy? It's not Pat Beverly. Lou Williams is really a Bucky for himself. He ain't been right since he went to that – when he got them lemon pepper chicken wings. Lemon pepper, man. Somebody better fly him. Somebody better go to Magic City and fly in them lemon pepper Lou Williams hot wings.

FedEx overnight one day express them joints. Get them there for him, man. So watching the games, to me, that's the difference where they don't have that particular person who can sense, all right, you know what, they on the run. Hold on.

Let's slow it up or let's do this or let's feed him. And where, again, the ultimate neutralizer in LeBron is able to do that. All right, hold on, hold on, hold on. We need a bucket. I'm going to get one. All right, hold on, hold on. Greatest example of what LeBron brings to a team was actually in a loss in the finals 2015 against the Warriors. Yeah. When they lost 4-2, but that man had me, you,

Matthew DeLaDoba and Timothy Moskov as it started to play. Yeah. And he took them to six and almost had the nerve to want to win game six. And I remember watching him. You could tell he was looking like, okay, I ain't got nothing happening over here. I ain't got nothing happening over here. And he's just like, what I can't do is keep up with the Warriors.

Yeah. So what I'm going to do is they go, okay, we're going to play hard-nosed defense. Hope we don't, you know, hold them out from scoring 120 a game. They hit a bucket. Cool. He get the ball. I'll never forget it. He will get the ball, take a deep breath. Deep breath. Yep. Wipe his hands on his chest and then go. And he was at this pace that I was like, this man literally just controlled an entire series.

understanding it's going to take 40 plus minutes for me. I can't give you that on both ends. I got to pick and choose defensively. What I'm going to do is slow the pace up. And if we push around on them, defend them hard, Matthew Deladova, you get up in Steph's face and we can make it a little ugly and I'm going to slow it down.

That's right. We got a chance. I said I'd have to say with the Clippers, I feel like they don't have that guy. They got a bucket in Kawhi. They got a bucket in over here, a bucket over there. But it's only one basketball. Yeah. You know what I mean? And Jamal Murray has not really been that. Believe it or not, he's been Jokic. Okay, cool. Hit me on the block.

I'm either a bucket or I'm going to drop a dime to somebody. You got a way to slow it down, get some people in foul trouble. He's been getting Trez in foul trouble. So I think, again, on paper, man, the Clippers should win this game. Not to mention just pure numbers of, dog, it's hard to lose four games in a row, three games in a row. So on one end, it's kind of like – especially when you're that talented is what I'm saying. You're the Clippers. So they should win it, but it's just –

You know how it go. You mentioned the bubble. What if this were the night where Jamal dropped 45 on him? Another 50. Exactly. He kind of do for just a, you know, a nine for 13 from three night, you know, just one of them nights, man. But I'm looking forward to it. The NBA, they have the bubble has exceeded all of our expectations, man. I agree. I agree with that. I wasn't so quite sure how it was going to turn out, but actually I would say that,

watching the players seem a lot more, especially in the playoffs. Early on, it didn't seem as much. It seems like they were still adjusted. But since the playoffs, I see the players being a lot more engaged and the games are better. Like when you're on the normal playoffs, when teams are traveling around, you get these lopsided blowout games where somebody's getting blown out by 20 or 30. And it's like, guys, come on, the goal's still 10 feet and the court's still 94. Like, all right, you're pros, but how y'all just laying goose eggs on the road? Right, right.

With that, that's been eliminated. So I agree. And that's a great breakdown and analysis that you just gave. So question number two, as we progress, is all in or not on how the NBA players handled the recent boycott? I'm going to tell you why I'm all in. It's an easy all in for me.

In the battle and change for progress, it ain't never perfect, bro. Yeah. And I laugh when people are like, well, they should have did this or they shouldn't do this. And I'm like, man, you got people just trying. These young brothers got the weight of the world. They're 22, 23 years old. And in fact, they're the ones who actually could be at home like –

Y'all figure it out. I'm good. I'm making millions. I got a house. I got mama got a house. I'm making money. I got women. I'm living my life. Whatever the case may be, you know, I got wealth for my children's children. I mean, think about it. At this point, NBA, you just a dude. If you just a Jag, J-A-G, just a guy, you making five million a year.

Bench player. You good. Don't play me. So I said that to see these young brothers so impacted, so empathetic, so saddened, so frustrated, so angered. And they say to themselves, you know what, man, we got to do something. Tell people Rosa Parks didn't say I'm going to bus. And then a white dude going to be like, hey, get out my seat. And then what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna do this. She got on the bus from a long day at work. Yeah. And one day she was like, you know what?

I had enough. No, I'm not moving. Well, man, we're going to call the police. Call the police. I'm not, I'm not, her soul was, I'm done. I can't. And Colin Kaepernick, whether you like, love him, whatever, the man was like, you know what, dog, I had enough, bro. I'm about to sit down. Okay, well, maybe you should kneel. Nate Boyer comes up to him, former Marine. You know, do it this way. Okay, you know, cool. All right, fine. I'm going to kneel. But sacrifice his career. So my point to people is, look,

Did the NBA players have some 10-year thought-out plan? No. But these young brothers were frustrated, and they were frustrated, and they were thinking about you and I, and they were trying to make some change that really, again, yes, it can impact anybody black, right? Police brutality, blah, blah, blah. But majority of them can be isolated. They know politicians. They know the people with money. But they were willing to stick their necks out on the line for us. So anybody trying to do that, I'm all in. Because one thing I noticed, Rob, is a lot of times people who talk the most do the least.

If I had LeBron money, if I had Giannis money, if I had Kawhi money, if I had Beyonce, well, you got $10,000. You gave $100. You got $1,000. You gave $10. You got $100. You gave $1. You ain't got no money. You got time. Have you given your time?

You don't got no time. You got a service. Did you lend your service? Did you say, hey, I can't, I don't have time right now, but y'all can use my, you know, I got a lawnmower business. Y'all can use my lawnmower and take care of elderly people's homes and mow those lawns. So I get, I always laugh when I hear people, boy, they love spending other people's money.

Absolutely. And I agree with you on your perspective. It's never going to be a pretty thing. I mean, there's always going to be those things you can look back and say you could have did it this way or should have did it this way. And we, meaning we on the outside, sitting on the sidelines, kind of like spec, you know, sideline coaches or spectators.

at the end of the day, I agree with what your assessment is like these young guys took a stand. And I think what it really shows is the power when we unify, right? When we decide to say, just like you used the analogy of Rosa Parks, we've had enough. These guys understood the importance of saying, okay, this is the best opportunity. It's the right time. We may not have all the answers, but let's leverage this platform that we have. And at the end of the day, we know there is no game without us. For sure. You know,

And if we take this stance, now we create the opportunity for discussion. And I like the way they handled it without any negativity. I thought they all did it the right way. So that's definitely to be celebrated. And I'm interested to see the overall outcome of what they present because I actually had a conversation with a good friend of mine in the league and he's involved in this and he's a former player and you know him, but

there are basically, there's some things on the table where they're asking the owners to donate or allocate a specific percentage of income to communities, urban African American communities that are in despair as far as financial literacy,

opportunity for career advancement, et cetera. So there are some things that are actually on the table that the NBA is going to announce. I'm pretty sure it's going to happen after the playoffs that the owners are going to be committed to. And I like it. And it's similar to what the guys did in NFL. So hopefully as we progress, I know it's been rough for sports. It's been rough for everybody, even outside of sports overall. But I do believe that a lot of good is going to come from this as we progress and move forward. And it's going to keep that discussion on the table moving forward for how can we do better.

better in all aspects, both as the players on the field, people in the front office, even us as fans, because I know you saw the whole thing with the Chiefs game, with, you know, the Chiefs and how the fans responded to that. And people are going to have to expand. That's what makes this country great, right? This is America. But, you know, I think we can move to a place that hopefully at some point to where it's like we can address these issues and our children can now

be the beneficiaries of those decisions and choices that people like you and myself are stepping up, speaking out on you, using your platform at Spectrum One, me using my platform here in real estate to bring issues with social equality and equity, then our kids can be beneficiaries of those changes. And it's going to take years. We're talking about decades before we see the changes that are due, you know, but somebody has to, you know, put that, put that in motion. And I believe that

When you have the power, as my mom and my family used to say, where much is given, much is demanded. So it's going to be definitely a great thing to see how that all plays out. So now we're going to dive into you because we have, you know, another 20 minutes here. And I want to talk about what we're really here. And that's to discuss the development of building a brand in media. You definitely are someone I feel that's like,

set the bar. When I came out here on the West Coast, I remember in '96, I played in small division basketball and one of the things I used to do is watch news all the time and you saw no people of color, no black faces, especially not males on any media outlet channels. And occasionally as the years went forward, you might see one or two here and there. And oftentimes I felt this disconnect, like I don't identify with this dude because the way he talks, what he's saying, like motherfuckers don't talk like that where I'm from, right? And so

Then I saw you about five or six years ago and I was like, yo, this guy is a real dude. And, you know, and this is you're on ESPN and, you know, seeing you develop and over the last several years and get to where you are now has definitely been an inspiration. So I want to talk about, you know, who you are as a person. Like, where did you grow up to start with? And what was the motivational factor for you to move in and take a pursuit of a career in media?

You know, in anything in life, you kind of got to owe a lot of credit to the people that came before you. So some of those brothers you said you saw, you're like, man, I don't really mess with them. You know what's funny? They probably sound exactly like everybody you know from the hood. Yeah. Or, you know. I did realize that later. Right. But see, so the reason why I want to give credit to those brothers is because you and I are about the same age. And if you're younger than us,

You are fortunate because of the sacrifices made by the other black and brown people that you are now able to be more free. You're able to be you more on the air. The Stuart Scott's paving the way, coming out, being him himself. And even Oprah, you know, because Oprah, for what somebody might want to say about Oprah, always brought up our issues. She always tried to help us. And she always, in her own flavorful way, was doing her thing. So people like that continue to pave the way.

where people now younger than me are able to come up. They have no expectations. This is who I am. You better take me. I got my dreadlocks. I got my locks. I got my napkins. I'm going to wear this. I'm going to have my boobs showing if I need to. I'm going to have my knees. I can show my legs. All that stuff, man. Couldn't do it 20 years ago. People who are trying to do things. People who are taking risks that everybody, oh, you can't do that. You can't say that. You can't, you know, whatever. And so I said all that to say, I want to make sure I give people love and credit.

I looked up to. So, man, I grew up in Ann Arbor, Michigan, about 30 miles west of Detroit.

You know what I'm saying? Shout out to the D. What up, though? And for me, man, I always had to get the gap. Ain't no way lying. Ain't no way sugarcoating. Your boy always had to get the gap. Your boy had to get the gap with teachers. You know what I mean? I was BS-ing my way. And where's your homie, Mr. Washington? First of all, Miss Lady, I just want to tell you that that dress, that looks amazing on you. But I'm a homie. You're never going to believe this. But if you give me 10 more minutes, you know what I mean? Matter of fact, matter of fact, I don't deserve it. I don't deserve it.

All right, you'll get another day. I was doing all that, man. So, and entertaining. It's funny in life, man, because you really don't know

until you know so like i didn't know that i was kind of funny i didn't know that people were like listening to what i had to say but then i started to know that and a couple of things happened in life that i was like maybe i could maybe i could do this i got forced into doing an assembly in high school to speak african-american male perspective it was a diversity week diversity assembly and i represented for for black men and i was like i can't

Oh, okay. And I spoke in front of the whole school and people were very receptive of it. Okay, kind of mental noting in my head. Then, hey, we're going to have this talent show. For some reason, we've never had a talent show. Let's have one. Yeah, it was kind of a makeshift last minute thing. They're like, we need a host. And everybody was like, and I was like, me? And it ended up being me and two other guys. And I just remember being on stage, having fun, kicking it, being normal, just being me. So those are moments that are like, man, maybe I really, you know, could do something in these lines.

And then college comes and I was like, all right, cool. I'm gonna do this telecommunications journalism broadcast thing. And again, I'll, I'll mention this and I'll quickly move forward. Jeffrey Hamill was my professor at Eastern Michigan university. And it was a sports broadcasting class in the summer. And one day I had taken another class with him previous semester. He's like, welcome everybody. We're doing this one day in class. He has this all box score MLB scores, MLB box scores. Yeah. And he goes,

For those of you who don't know, these are box scores, the final scores from games, blah, blah, blah, blah. Kelvin, you had me last semester. You're good at this. Watch how this is how it's done, everybody. Go. And I was like, whoa. And I was literally like, what?

And I just looked at all these scores, and I'm just finding different ways to say the same thing but in creative ways because you don't want to say the Tigers beat the Royals, the Dodgers beat the Padres. You want to say Dodgers edged out the da-da-da-da. And the Ducks found a way to da-da-da-da. And it was a beatdown, and I just did it, freestyle off the dome like I was Jay-Z. And he was like, yep, that's why I called on him. I knew he could do it. And it was one of those moments like that.

Wow. So that was like the final mile. Okay, I'm in this thing. Yeah. So man, I got my degree and like most people, I started working a job that ain't had nothing to do with my degree. I was selling cell phones, man. I was doing it at a really good rate that I ended up getting like awards, regional bestsellers and all that, man. And so...

It was kind of like, all right. I grew up very modest, and that might even be an overstatement. And I ended up making, you know, a couple dollars, which now that's like, you know, I wasn't making no money compared to what I make now. But for me then, I was like, man, I got some money. You know, I got my home. I got some money in the bank for the first time in my life. The best thing that ever happened to me, Rod, man, I got fired. And I was like, what?

fired and I remember getting in my car and I was like, I'm a man of faith and I was praying and I was like, Lord, okay, what we'll be saying here? What's what's really good? Yeah, peace. I mean, a calm that I really they say peace that surpasses all understanding. And it didn't make sense. You just got fired. Why are you cool with this? Because I knew it was going to push me towards what I wanted to do. So I

I got into radio before television. Radio gave me its foot in the door. I got in, and I was a promotion assistant handing out banners. I put in the banners, handing out keychains the whole night. But I made it a point that they knew I wanted to be in radio. You know, like, I ain't just, I ain't a keychain boy. I'm rocking out. I'm doing it. I'm putting my best foot forward. I got noticed.

bosses everybody loved how you know i was doing it and uh my shot to shea shea my mentor she saw me she was on air and she was like yo you i like your vibe you personality why don't you come help me on my show so i'm answering phones for her coming up with ideas with her trying to help her show get you know jumping and uh that really kind of helped me as far as like getting them noticing okay he could be on air so getting that attention yeah man and um

And gosh, there's so much I'm trying to fast forward so I can make sure, you know, timely with this man. There's one moment that changed the history of my life though on air. Well, there's always several moments, but this one,

I had a demo, a radio demo. And on that day, I was like, man, I told my boss, look, I got to move on. Can I do sales, radio sales executive? Because I ain't making no money. Yeah. Make $8 an hour, promotion assistance, da, da, da, da. And at this point, I'm like a little older than the average person. I'm dating 1920. I'm 24.

And she's like, just do your event. Come back and I'll have you set up with the big boss and we'll talk to him. Just go do your event. Do my event. Get back. I'm in the bathroom. She calls. Where are you? Dom wants to meet you. Okay. Shoot. I'll give you a minute. In the life moment, brother, I had a fork in the road. I can run upstairs and go meet the boss man. Or I can run to my car, rummage through, grab my demo, bring it up, then meet him.

It's going to take me an extra three, four minutes. Yeah. I chose that route. She called me pissed. Where are you? What are you doing? You don't make him wait. So she basically called you pissed off because you didn't take the first option and go right up right away. You went to go to the demo. Exactly. I grabbed the demo, get in there. She kind of got a look on her face, but he sits down. He said, hey, man, I've been hearing great things about you. I know you want to be on air. And he's talking. He looks, he sees a CD and he's like, yo, he's like, is that a demo?

Well, we call it an air check. Is that an air check? I'm like, yes. Takes it, pops it in. I'm like, hold on. My mind was I was going to meet him, leave it with him. Hey, it was nice meeting you. If you ever get a chance, could you just listen? Pops it in. 20 seconds go by. He's like, hmm. 10 seconds go by. He's like, that's you? I'm like, yeah. He goes, hmm. OK. 30 seconds go by again. He goes, takes it out, slides it back at me. And he says, I want you on the air tonight. Damn. Yeah.

And I was like, this is Detroit. Detroit was a top 10 market. Detroit was, I think, number eight market in America. It's a big market. I'm like, oh, shoot, tonight? This station was popping. He's like, heck yeah. He's like, I want you on tonight. I go to talk to the dude underneath him. I say, man, he wants me on tonight. He said, I've been working with him 15 years. He ain't never did that before.

Yeah. So that was the moment that kind of like got me in the radio. I ended up going to Flint, got a full-time gig. And from there, man, the hustle, the hustle gang kicked in after that, bro. Well, you know, what I take from that is that when I talk about this particular topic of this podcast is, you know, basically building a brand in TV and media, it doesn't just happen overnight, right? Kelvin basically was prepared. You know, we use the term stay ready. You ain't got to get ready. And, you know,

When you talk about building a brand, you have to be so in tune with what it is you're passionate about and what you're working to accomplish that you have to be prepared as if you're already in that moment. So when the moment comes, you're not scrambling trying to figure it out right now you may have had to take an extra two or three minutes to go get that demo and she might have been pissed off with you, but

Let's back up and think about had you not made that decision and you just went in and talked with him, you probably wouldn't be sitting here talking to me to this capacity with this type of conversation. Because I would say that was a pivotal point that led you to where you are today by simply being making that decision and being ready to perform. You didn't even have to perform. You already did your performance. It was captured and it was ready to go. And someone, when that opportunity presented itself, they listened to it and said,

This guy's got talent. We got to capture it right now so much that he's like, we got to have you on air tonight. So let me throw something at you, man. You are 1,000% correct. So what I noticed was we would drive out to promotions,

the system you would drive out to events set up the tent throw banners key chains and i'm gonna drive my friends i want to be a radio too i want to be a friend i want to be a radio and i remember yeah okay let's uh intro this song intro this you know what was popping in intro this chris brown song and i remember them being like but how do you intro what do you like yeah you said like yo that's the chris brown right now this is run it you got the number one song in america don't forget it's coming up this saturday

I'm like, and I learned, oh, people be talking the talk. They really don't want it. They're really like, you're not putting in the work. What I left out, the reason why I shouted out Shea Shea, shout out to my mentor, she would have me come in, hey, I got to go on the station at 4 a.m. Come with me. You can work on your demo.

I didn't say, no, well, let me, can we go at 10 when it's a little more feasible? I'm in there three, four in the morning. That's right. Working on my demo. Sweating in there, trying to make it up, make up my own demo, because I ain't on the radio yet, so I got to make it up. She coming in, checking in, are you good? Yeah, take a listen. So I'm working on it, and I learned that people be wanting it, man. One of my favorite rappers, Fonte from Little Brother, says, these young boys want all of the spoils with none of the toil. None of the toil, yep. One of the rewards.

without putting in that work, bro. That's what I was just telling my assistant director, Ovir Ahmad. He's in here listening while we're on the podcast. I was like, you know, I'm dealing with young agents and we're bringing people on the team and we're training, we're coaching. And it's like, I had one agent today. He's kind of like, he was partnering with another agent and I won't say his name, but he wanted, they separated, put it this way. And now he's kind of like struggling and trying to figure it out. But,

he wants to possibly move to a bigger agency. And I'm like, no problem. That's good. But the work still has to be done. And what I was sharing with my sister director is that everybody wants to shine, but don't nobody want to really grind. Like,

You know, when you were at ESPN and I was doing radio, I mean, I was commuting from San Diego to LA and I've been doing it for three years straight. Wasn't making no money in the first 18 months, but I understood the vision and what I was working towards. And then when the opportunity presented myself, I had my breakthrough just like you did, but you have to be ready. It's not going to just happen for you or boom, all of a sudden it's like, if I want to be in radio now I'm on ESPN, but I,

I just got lucky. No, it's the preparation and all those opportunities of failing that eventually when those opportunities present itself, you've been there already. And it's like, hey, I'm ready to go.

You know, without a doubt, man. And that's, I think that's the thing I try to teach our young people. That's my favorite part of my job, man. I don't know. I'll jump into this. That was going to be a question is speaking to our youth, man. I get the opportunity because I was in Flint, Michigan for five years, Flint, Michigan, that time there at this little small, tiny radio station that barely had a good signal, man. That's where I, that's where I grew. That's where I thrive. That's where the, the man is.

really grew up understanding what I wanted, how I wanted to communicate with people, understanding that I don't give a dang if I have a little bit of fame or small, you know, I'm big fish in a small pond. I ain't never, I don't ever want to be anything that I'm not. And so all of that grew at my five years in Flint. So I always wanted,

will give pay homage to that time in my life i was a janitor i was a program director i was a music director i was a promotion director i was hired an intern i was an intern like whatever it needed to be at all we all did it man all of us man i was a custodian i'm fixing cars i'm whatever we needed because it was just a small rinky-dink station man that yeah i loved so much man that's probably one of my favorite times in my entire career man but uh

So I always teach, tell the kids, man, you got to put it in and you got to find this one thing. I want to tell somebody, listen, who's going to be listening to this or watching this. Sometimes you got to find a mentor if you can't have one. And it can be somebody that you can emulate that don't even know you exist on this earth. Exactly. You can watch their moves, study them. I tell people all the time, study that person you like. Don't just all want to be like them. Well, what did they do? What did it take? What moves? Because what that does, Rod, is it gives you inspiration in the middle of the hard time. Rod just said he wasn't making no money. You just said you were

But if you know, but if I keep doing this, I saw somebody else do it, right? I got this right.

Then you'll be okay eating a peanut butter and jelly for dinner because you know that steak is coming in a few. That's right. And so you got to – I've been through that. I know about the ordering a $5 little season. Come on, man. I know about – you know what I'm saying? I know about all that, man. But, you know, to kind of fast forward the story, my wife decided, like, let's go to L.A. And I'm like, oh, shoot, girl, that's the number two market in America. That's L.A. What you mean you go to L.A.? I've been flicked.

Market, 168. What you say? Oh, no, pop the brakes. I mean, anti-lock break the boys. So she's like, no, let's just go to LA. And I'm like, oh, OK. Now, in her career, she can get a job anywhere in this country. She gets a job like that. That's when it got real. I said, oh, she didn't got. Next thing I know, she called me. Hey, I'm about to stay with your cousin out here. I'm about to live in LA. She sent me pictures of palm trees. I'm like, what the heck is going on? No, I'm really like. So I had to leave a job in this industry, as you know,

You don't leave a comfy situation. You can go if you get hired. You don't leave for no reason. I left for no reason to come out here to LA of all places, most cutthroat market and came out here butt naked dog with no job and was able to

Get some things rolling. That's interesting you share that because I feel like we have some commonalities there. Same thing. I was in Houston in real estate doing well. First started working with in pro clients, Rockets and Texans. And I got out of the car business selling Porsche, Jaguar, Land Rover and was in real estate for about four years. And then

I was watching Lakers game seven, 2010. Yeah. And that's probably one of the greatest finals ever. And I'm sitting on my couch and I was like, I saw like this, this show commercial, this new whole million dollar listed thing. And I'm like, I can do that. Right. But I got to go to LA.

Right. And we left a comfortable situation, owning a house, having real estate to come out here to live in a two bedroom apartment with me, my wife and my two daughters at that time and had no guarantees or anything. But it was just something within me deeply that said,

I don't want to leave that on the table. I want to pursue that to my fullest. And however it turns out, I'm comfortable with, but I'm going to give it my all rather than staying in that mode of comfort. And obviously knowing where your next, you know, check's going to come from, you get in business and people are like, what the hell are you doing? Why are you taking these types of risks? And, you know, when you know, you just, you just know it, it's inside of you. And it's like, when you get that feeling like this is right and I got to make this move,

you go after it you know and that's ultimately how you end up getting to where you are when you talk about success or developing and doing the things that it takes to develop a brand so it's funny you share that because we have some you know more things in common than i even knew uh from from the first time i you know met you face to face now i know we're nearing towards you know our time i have a couple more questions i want to ask you and one of them is

You know, being in media, being African American, obviously you've seen a lot from your days in Detroit coming to one of the most major LA markets. Now you have one of the most watched shows during noon, during the afternoon, and one of the hottest shows. And what are the things that you're still seeing within the industry that you feel as African American that needs to be addressed within media? And how do you see those changes, you know, taking place more or less as far as inclusion,

opportunity and leadership, right? And seeing more faces like ours on the screen. Great question. So my time at ESPN was kind of what really took the career, you know, to the next level. That's right. I remember that. I kind of want to make sure I hit that for those who just following the trajectory, man, I got here, I didn't have anything, started doing a little radio here and there, a couple different stations. I knew I always wanted to get back into TV. I always wanted to go

will continue to do radio as well. And so I started doing a little TV popping up on HLN and CNN and doing a little bit here and there. It's like, okay, things start rolling a little bit. And then I got into ESPN, um,

late fall 2014 and I just remember being like oh shoot I'm at Eastman I'm moving here listening to the station all the time oh shoot that's Max Kellerman oh shoot that's Marcel oh shoot that's Mason in Ireland I'm seeing cats I've been listening to yeah this was wild man and I got on and they were like cool can you come back on tomorrow I'm like yeah they're like cool can you come back on tomorrow I'm like yeah they're like cool can you do three out of four days next week yeah can you do I'm like a month goes by I ain't paid ain't no I'm like what is and then

And they were like, yeah, cool. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to back pay you for that whole month. Yeah, we want to just lock you in to be here, like part of the team. And I'm like, oh, wow, this is amazing. It's real. Then eventually I got the show with Travis Mann Rogers. I'm doing my own morning show. And that was the first moment.

In L.A., where it was like, I made it. I signed a contract. You know, I got to, you know, finally doing some decent money. I'm on ESPN radio. And from there, man, it just kind of started picking up, man. I found an agent who got me this show, Spartan Ultimate Team Challenge, on NBC. And I hosted this national show on national TV with literally, you know, millions of people watching. And I was like, oh, this is crazy. And then Max goes the first take. I hop in with Marcellus.

And I say all this to say, to give the trajectory so people can kind of flow with me. But to your question, what I learned along the way was, you just mentioned, if you don't have certain people in power, people who get it, people with foresight, they won't know how to handle certain things. They won't know there's inherent biases that they didn't even know that they had that will halt certain things. And I'll just say this, me and Marcellus had a show that I think if someone else is

have foresight to see what we were doing like yo this ain't just a regular show this is a radio show that's on tv that we can sell device to espn obviously because we're there or whoever we can create a show we can simulcast this thing because man we were even better if you took like if you really really was watching us if you really we are on camera man we're doing our thing but again we don't have people in positions of power to have that

familiarity, that foresight, that understanding. I get what they're doing. Because if the demographics, if you look at the demographics of ESPN, bro, it would be, and it's so, it's so our culture. Yes, right. But, but when you got people above it who don't necessarily get it,

they don't really get how to utilize it, how to mastermind. Our show was doing pretty well. I won't get into any details, but I just think people didn't get that. Okay, it is different. It's not middle-aged white guy with former black athlete teeing him up all day. So tell me, what was it like? You know, hey, when you were in the league, it wasn't that. No.

No. Or it wasn't two middle-aged white dudes yelling at each other, come on, Philadelphia Eagles fans, it's Calvin Cleveland Brown. Yeah. It wasn't that. It was something different. That's right. You know what I mean? And so when you don't have – that's why it's important. So you say that's why now you're seeing so many African-Americans in riding positions, right? Right. And what do they call it? Showrunner positions. Right.

seeing producers not only just like i want to be an actress no i want creative control uh you see you see your boy jordan pill creative control you see what's your boy donald glover creative control kenny bears all these great guys people are writing and they want to be a part and so uh equity and inclusion equity and inclusion so i think as we continue to see that

that's going to change the industry. It's going to change in a positive way. And you're going to see, be able to tell stories. And also what it does is it allows for people who are not particularly informed or familiar with other groups, see them. You're less threatening. They're comfortable. They understand. They get your vernacular. They get the way you dress. They get all that. And then it's, there's some type of familiarity, even if,

I don't have you by vicinity. You're not in my vicinity. Because you got to think, bro, you live in L.A. You in San Diego, L.A. area. Me too. We coastal, right? You in New York. You in D.C. You in Miami. You on Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego. The whole coastal, it's a much different lifestyle, bro. America really is just Oklahoma. You ever been to Tulsa, Oklahoma? That's America.

And so the idea, there are plenty of people in Arkansas and North Carolina and South, they don't know nothing about all this LA lifestyle and multicultural and all that. Nothing at all. Zero. So that's why it's important that they see it. So there at least is some semblance of familiarity

that they can see and get comfortable with a bit. Again, the best way to get it is in real life and in practice, but at least if we can get it on TV, at least if they can get it in writing and reading materials, then there's something. And I'm not just talking about just us. I'm talking about everybody, you know? Correct. And that's what you can do to continue to enhance in this environment. I think you're seeing that

And now because of the protests, what you're seeing, people in power are people who typically have had to just kind of, I'm on news and I just have to present the news. They're like, no, I've been harassed by police. I've been racially profiled. I've experienced microaggressions on the job. You're seeing people speak out that have never spoken out because there is an element of, you know what, if I don't speak now, then when will I ever? When will I ever ask for these changes to be made?

Those are all, you know, that's you're hitting the nail on the head. And I, you know, your show that you had with Marcel was one of the things that captured my attention. And I was like, wait a minute, I ain't never seen anything like this. Not only radio, but TV radio. Like that was what I was working with when I was doing my shows. It's like, I was trying to emulate like, okay, let's bring this type of culture because it's necessary. And it's not, when I grew up watching ESPN before Stuart Scott, you know, it's your typical white dudes and it's this corporate talk, yada, yada, yada. And it's like,

There's more people than there's just that watching sports, right? And the true fans that are guys that identify with these players that are on the fields, et cetera, came from my neighborhood and community. So I firmly believe that, you know, after seeing you, it's imperative that we see more guys and women like you on TV. And I believe that's starting to happen. The networks are slowly starting to get in. Obviously, situations like George Floyd really, I think, helped. I don't like to use the word help, but unfortunately, it created problems.

the conversations and now the focus on how do we accelerate this? How do we get more people like Kelvin Washington in networks and getting these opportunities, not just to be a character on TV, but as you stated, producing, writing, whether you have that equity, that inclusion and

And, you know, that's at the end of the day, that's all a part of the whole development and brand experience because you don't want to just be one dimensional and you're not just a one dimensional anchor. You can do radio, you can do TV, you can do national scale TV. Hell, I believe you can do movies if that was something that presented itself to you. And maybe we might see that in the future. So in closing, one of the questions I also have is what advice do you have to young people, especially young people of color that are getting into the media space, whether it be TV or radio?

So it's so funny, man. I got to ESPN. It's ESPN. I'm like, wow, this is crazy. I grew up watching, like you said, listening to it and all that. I had to go to Bristol, Connecticut to meet all that. I'm in Bristol. I'm at the campus. This is crazy. And by the way, it's like a college campus. That mother lover is huge. Huge. Yep. So I remember just being like, wow.

But what happened was, not in a negative sense, but just the way people associated Kelvin Washington was with sports. Yeah. Now, Kelvin Washington loved sports. I love sports. I go home and watch a Dodger or the hoop when I get home and watch all the hoop games. But...

there's so much more to me. I'm a complex individual, a man of faith. At this point in my life now, I'm a husband and a father. I care about my community. I care about all of our community, all these different things. And what I started to see was, oh, yeah, you're a sports guy. You're a sports guy.

Hey, that's, yeah, you can use sports guy. And I was like, ah, I don't mind it, but I didn't want to just be that. And if someone's watching this wants to like get it in on sports, then that's fine because then you'll have your own personal outlets to release for the other things. But for me on a professional sense, let alone personally, I was like, I don't, I don't think I just want to be, oh, that's the sports guy. And so,

That's why it was amazing when God gave me this opportunity here at Spectrum News 1 because I get to do sports because, you know, I've done pre- and post-game for the Dodgers. Never in my wildest dreams. Dude, I came to L.A. with no job. You're telling me I'm doing pre- and post-game for the Dodgers? One of the biggest sports franchises in the world? Amazing. Brother God is good, man. Yes. Now on our evening news here, I'm the sports agent. But on my show, my show that I do every day, I'm just a –

Young brother telling you what's happening in your world. Hopefully, I either want to inform you, entertain you, or inspire you. That's right. And I get to talk about the shooting that just happened in Compton to Dejon Kizzy. I get to talk about the president and election coming up. I get to interview politicians and lawyers. That's right.

I get to interview political activists. Then I get to interview my homies. I get to have them on the show. We talk sports. I get to do silly stuff like, hey, y'all, did y'all see that? We might have aliens in the world. I get to talk about that. And that's, for me, my joy. I made a strategic move because a lot of people don't know this, and I won't get into details, but I had some opportunities at other sports stations. And I'll just leave it at that, that we're going to pay me more than ESPN was paying me. And it was a good look.

And I told them and they got it. I said, I just want to explore this other thing right now.

I feel like I've paid my dues in sports enough that I can come back to that. Not knowing that I would have plenty of sports opportunity here, man. I mean, you know, again, I've covered Kobe Bryant's death in games. So I've had the sports opportunity. So I want to say this to young people. You have to master something first. Don't allow yourself to look at Instagram and see them over there flexing. She's flexing. He's doing that. And what happens is they're scatterbrained. I'm a mom.

I'm a photographer. I build websites. Jack of all trades, masters of nothing. There you go. I'm a fitness instructor. I'm a master of craft. And for me, it was communicating with people early on through radio. And I can hang my head. If Spectrum News 1 went up in flames today, I know for a fact

Yeah. Multiple radio jobs. They waiting on me. I mean, I talked to another day. How's everything going at the job? Oh, it's going great. Dang. I didn't want to hear that. It was going great. I hope you were saying it was going to verbatim, bro. Verbatim. And that comes from, again, at a certain point, I mastered my craft. You continue to work on it. But I knew this is the thing I can hang my hat on. Absolutely. If nothing else works, I can communicate with people and I can do radio.

And I think so many young people hopping around and I would tell them, I would implore them to focus on something, get good at it. And then the opportunities come. I got good at real estate.

And now, by way of it, by proxy, you're meeting people, right? You're meeting athletes. You're meeting politicians. Now you can connect with them. Okay, well, cool. I got some... I love sports. Hey, how you do the radio? Okay, cool. Now you can do radio. And now it's not far-fetched for you. You might pop up in the movies because you know other people. But because you can ask the real estate, it allows you to be in the game. It'd be great... Open so many other doors. Open other doors. So I tell the young people that. Also, man, you got to find out a way to be persistent and

and reaching out to people and trying to, you know, get opportunities, but not be a pest. Can't bother people. That's right. Don't be bothered. So you got to find that balance between being persistent, but not being a pest. And because people, young people like to do this. Hey, and you got, you got a, how old is your eldest?

My oldest is 16. So, right, you about to walk right into that. Hey, did you apply for a job or did you apply for school or whatever? And they go, yeah. And you're like, okay, well, what's up? What's up? See, they don't get it. It's not just applying or just I put in an application or whatever. You got to make that follow-up call. You got to send that thank you card note with a, you know, somebody did something great to you. Send them a, watch this. I'm about to change somebody's life right now. This little tip from your boy.

Spend $100 and buy $25 gift cards from Starbucks. Get you, go to the dollar store or wherever, buy you some little thank you notes this big. And whenever somebody takes time for you, answers a call, helps you out, does something, gives you an interview, send them a thank you card. Very simple. Thank you for your time. I greatly appreciate it. Hope to hear from you soon. Slip a $5 gift. They don't care about the amount. Nobody does that. So when they get it in the mail,

a little $5 gift card. They don't have to put their mind, but just they can get a coffee on you and you thought of them to mail them something. Yep. Wow. That was, wow. That's,

Funny you bring that up because that's what I do in my business. And I was taught that by a very successful salesperson. We sent out thank you notes when we make engagement with people of significance, man. And it goes a long way. And that's how I've been fortunate enough to build my business on referrals, working with some of the most elite athletes and entertainers in the industry. I didn't have any dollars coming to LA to get to these people. So I did it all for relationships and being genuine and following up. And I learned that in the car business from

some very Mary Margaret shout out to her at Westside Lexus. She taught me, she was like, you know, I started with nothing, but I thanked people. I sent thank you cards and notes for the, you know, I knew their kids' birthdays, et cetera. And it's just about making those connections and valuing it. So I, what you just shared with our audience, for those of you young people, or even people, you know,

that are well into their careers and they're trying to figure out how to make it, develop a brand and make these connections and get to the next level. You know, what Kelvin has shared on this podcast is very valuable information and it's gems and it definitely makes a difference and will have a direct impact if you be patient and work towards executing and mastering your craft is what he's saying. And if you learn how to do that, it opens up so many other doors and opportunities that'll be well beyond your expectations.

I was going to end it with innovation, man. You got to find ways to be creative because if an opportunity presents itself, you ain't the only one who applied and is going for it. What is the differentiator? What is going to separate you from Joe, Keith, Keisha, Derek, Devontae? What's going to separate you? And you have to continue to have perseverance because life is all about a weeding out process. You go to college,

College ain't really the most, I don't want to say that per se, but I'll just say this. What I've learned, college is a weeding out process. It is. Who's going to stick to it? Only 60% of college students graduate. That's full. 40% of people gone. Okay. Now you've got these people going into the workforce. Who's going to apply? Everybody applies. Who's going to stick around? Who's going to make calls? Not everybody. Boom. That sheds away people. All right. I see.

I got this group of people here who's going to be willing to work for a low wage and who's going to persevere and willing to put in that grind. Well, heck, I never worked free. I wish I might. I know my work. OK, cool. Next. And now start getting down to a small group of people. So persevere, sticking to it and knowing

that you're pushing toward a mark and that you're going to get there, man. But you got to be innovative. You got to be creative. You got to stay thinking on your toes. And the best is yet to come, man. Man, that's great. I mean, I know we're at a close here. I really thank you for sharing this valuable information and just giving me your time, you know, for our audience that are going to come across this podcast. And you never just, you know, somebody might be a place in their life where they're down or they're struggling and they hear this information. It will definitely, I believe, have a direct impact. In closing,

What was, can you share one of your greatest accomplishments in the media industry that you would, you know, think of right off the bat? You know, one of my greatest accomplishments since I've been in this business. Never letting any amount of success get to my head. And I know it was supposed to be the time I interviewed this person or that. Yeah. But trust me, man, I've seen it happen. Yeah.

I've been grateful the pace of my career because I didn't get where I am now 10 years ago where I might have been like, Oh, big, Hey, you know, this, any other, I've been, I've been aiming to be honest, anything that I get from here on out moving forward, I'm be like, yeah, yeah. It's about, it's about right. I,

I put in the time and to be honest, you were a little late, but I'm a road. And with that, it keeps me, I'm not, I didn't get anything too early. I didn't, you know, and so I've been grateful that I've been able to be me and every single job I've ever left, I would like to think there was like, yo, man, he was a real dude. He cared about us, all of us in this building.

He treated people right, treated people fairly, was optimistic, you know, and he really was a good guy. So I know that wasn't a sexy, creative, like, answer as far as, like, I interviewed this person, you know, but... Well, aside from winning an Emmy, I mean, hey, you know, you just exemplified who you are as a person. That was dope. I can't lie. Can't lie. That was dope. I think... But I think just, man, really just walking into... Honestly, I think the best... To give you more...

fun answer if you will um dude like the last four or five years walking into la and like being able to be like there's no real television market um radio that i don't know somebody and it doesn't you know how i don't have a relationship with anybody and that's been awesome you know how that goes yeah like flip the tv and be like oh there go care let me know let me holla care what up oh flip oh there go my dog marcel is doing his thing what up boy and just like

be in a position where like, man, I can, I can reach out to anybody if I need a job, if I need that network, that network. And that's been kind of the best thing for me is like, I can flick through any station. I know somebody up in the program director, news director, somebody. And it's been really cool because it allows for you to have networks that you, you look long-term and you're like, okay, I can see his chest. I can make a move here and there. And, and, you know, but, but anyway, meet Beyonce. Yeah.

He said, meet me on set. Talking smack in the locker room here with Big Game James telling him in the 1988 finals how they robbed my Pistons. Yeah, Big Game. Talking to Robert Ory telling him how I get mad he didn't get that shot. Big shot. The big shot in game five of the 2005 finals with the Spurs against the Pistons. I was in the building mad about that still. So just getting to talk to these people, man, is super dope. That's awesome. Meeting cool people like yourself, man, and shout out to Michaela Pereira.

Appreciate it. You're living the dream, man. You're also a father. I just want to notate that. You know, Kelvin's a father. He actually just posted an amazing photo. Go check out his post on Instagram, throwback of young Kelvin and then obviously a current photo of his young daughter. And obviously, you know, I can see from a distance fatherhood is definitely having a...

a profound impact your life and um all right we gotta end this bro we gotta end this you're trying to make somebody tear up anybody yes yes i love my family man my wife my the way she's so great with my kids and me beautiful family bro and my uh my uh my daughters man you know how i go one minute i got a great beer cousin next minute man i want 10 more of them man so that was my babies man my

My princess, don't nobody love me. I don't nobody love me like my girls, man. Well, I'm a girl dad myself, man. I want to thank you for your authenticity and just being transparent and willing to come on and share what it takes to build a brand in media. And I wish you much success. I'm definitely enjoying seeing your success that you're having thus far and the journey that you're embarking on. I know you're going to be doing many more great things. So keep up the great work, man.

And for those of you that are watching, be sure to catch Kelvin if you're in the L.A. market on Spectrum One News. He has a hot afternoon show that's back.

Obviously, you tell them. I mean, you got top pittings right now, right? I don't know what you're talking about, bro. Listen, man, if you're in L.A., Spectrum News 1. Spectrum News 1 is really changing the game of news. I'll brag a bit. We are not your tip. But don't think it's me. And sitting next to a woman has to be the stereotypical look. And we're going to, man, we are doing something cool.

All we care about is the community and telling people's stories. And so check us out whenever you can, Specter News 1. Check me out, Kata, live on Instagram. And by the way, Rob, I need a new crib, man. I got to, you know, what's up? Let's make it happen, baby. You know, we can definitely help you out. Give me one of these yachts, man. Give me one of these yachts. You're always hanging out on yachts, man. Hey, we got the yacht. We got the crib. We got the chef. We got the cars. You just let me know what you need, and we'll sit down and have a conversation and make that happen for you.

for you. And hey, folks, this is real talk. Kelvin is actually, this is just my assessment and my opinion. He is bringing what Stuart Scott brought to ESPN on SportsCenter to mainstream media news. And it's been a joy to watch, man, in closing. So thank you for coming on. Appreciate it, bro. Thank you for the gems that you've dropped. I know we'll stay connected. Let's definitely maybe sometime grab coffee and lunch when this COVID shit all clears up and we can catch up, man. But

I want to thank you guys that are tuning in and listening to this podcast. Kelvin, thanks for coming on to the All In Podcast. You guys out there, keep winning, keep hustling, and remember, stay focused and work towards becoming the masters of what you do, perfecting your craft. I'm out. For more information on the All In Podcast, visit LAVIPagent.com and follow us on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Twitter, and YouTube at RodWatson23.

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