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George Herbert

2024/12/5
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Melvyn Bragg: 本期节目讨论了诗人乔治·赫伯特(1593-1633),他的诗歌被誉为世界上最美的诗歌之一。他将自己关于与上帝关系的诗歌交给朋友,在他死后出版,以期能给那些沮丧的灵魂带来安慰。他的诗歌在17世纪的基督徒中广受欢迎,甚至在内战时期也得到了不同派别的基督徒的共同欣赏。赫伯特还创作了大量的拉丁诗歌,并在剑桥大学和萨里郡的教区担任牧师期间分享这些诗歌。他的作品影响了从柯勒律治到希尼等众多诗人,至今仍以圣歌的形式在教堂里演唱。 Helen Wilcox: 赫伯特出生于威尔士,父亲在他三岁时去世,母亲对他有很大的影响。他母亲是一位独立、有信仰的女性,对家庭教育和社会交往起到了重要作用。赫伯特早年就展现出非凡的才华,在剑桥大学取得优异成绩。他早期的诗歌就体现出对宗教的关注,并将其献给母亲。 Victoria Moul: 早期现代英国是一个双语文学文化,拉丁语和英语文学互相影响。赫伯特在剑桥大学担任演说家,这为他以后的事业发展奠定了基础。他创作了大量的拉丁诗歌,这些诗歌在当时广为流传。他的拉丁诗歌和英语诗歌之间存在着密切的联系,互相影响。 Simon Jackson: 音乐在赫伯特家中扮演着重要的角色,这与他母亲的重视有关。赫伯特本人也热爱音乐,并将其视为表达上帝旨意的工具。他的诗歌中体现了对音乐的深刻理解和热爱。17世纪的音乐被认为具有两种形式:一种是理论上的毕达哥拉斯式的理解,另一种是实际的音乐创作。赫伯特的诗歌试图将两者结合起来。赫伯特与上帝的关系是复杂而充满矛盾的,他的诗歌反映了这种关系中的冲突和对话。他是一位乡村牧师,重视普通牧师与教众之间的日常关系。他生前曾演唱过一些诗歌,其中包括他改编的诗篇23。

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Why was George Herbert's mother such a significant influence on his life?

His mother, Magdalene Herbert, was a strong spiritual guide who taught him how to write and use language effectively. She also ran a socially active household that exposed him to influential figures like John Donne and William Byrd. Her devotion to the family's spiritual and educational upbringing was unparalleled.

Why did George Herbert write poetry in Latin during a time when English was becoming more prominent?

Latin was the international language of the time, essential for advanced knowledge in science, philosophy, theology, and other fields. It was also the language of education and the medium of instruction in schools and universities. Herbert's use of Latin allowed him to engage with a broader, international literary culture.

What role did music play in George Herbert's life and poetry?

Music was deeply integrated into Herbert's life, influenced by his mother's emphasis on musical education and family worship. He associated music with divine harmony and saw it as a way to connect with God's order. His poetry often reflects this, blending the theoretical and practical aspects of music.

How did George Herbert's religious environment shape his poetry?

Herbert's poetry reflects the tensions within the Church of the early 17th century, balancing radical Protestantism with the beauty of liturgical worship. His work sits between these extremes, exploring both the simplicity of heartfelt devotion and the elaborate beauty of religious music and ceremony.

What is 'The Temple' and why is it significant?

'The Temple' is a collection of English devotional poems published posthumously in 1633. It is structured as a three-part exploration of the church, with sections representing the church porch, the church interior, and the church militant. The collection contains over 160 short lyrics, widely regarded as some of the greatest devotional poetry in English.

What makes George Herbert's poem 'Love' so special?

'Love' is celebrated for its complex stanza form and layered meaning. It depicts a dialogue between the speaker and God, represented as love, and explores themes of guilt, redemption, and the Eucharist. The poem's simplicity and depth have made it one of Herbert's most beloved works.

How did George Herbert's illness affect his work and relationship with God?

Herbert's chronic illness, likely tuberculosis, influenced his poetry, which often reflects frustration and affliction. His physical struggles seemed to mirror his spiritual conflicts, as he grappled with his limitations and sought to fulfill his calling as a priest.

How did George Herbert's poetry provide comfort to others?

Herbert's poems, like a modern book of psalms, offer a range of emotions and experiences, from joy to despair. This variety resonates with readers and believers, providing comfort and reflection on the complexities of faith and life.

What was George Herbert's relationship with God like?

Herbert's relationship with God was deeply personal and reciprocal, often depicted as a monarchical yet intimate bond. His poetry imagines a dialogue with God, where divine intervention mends his rhymes and reasserts order, reflecting a complex and dynamic spiritual journey.

How did George Herbert's Latin poetry differ from his English poetry?

Herbert's Latin poetry included more public-facing works, such as panegyrics, polemics, and scriptural reflections, often engaging with contemporary debates and figures. In contrast, his English poetry, particularly 'The Temple,' focused on personal devotional themes and spiritual conflicts.

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Melvyn Bragg and guests discuss the poet George Herbert (1593-1633) who, according to the French philosopher Simone Weil, wrote ‘the most beautiful poem in the world’. Herbert gave his poems on his relationship with God to a friend, to be published after his death if they offered comfort to any 'dejected pour soul' but otherwise be burned. They became so popular across the range of Christians in the 17th Century that they were printed several times, somehow uniting those who disliked each other but found a common admiration for Herbert; Charles I read them before his execution, as did his enemies. Herbert also wrote poems prolifically and brilliantly in Latin and these he shared during his lifetime both when he worked as orator at Cambridge University and as a parish priest in Bemerton near Salisbury. He went on to influence poets from Coleridge to Heaney and, in parish churches today, congregations regularly sing his poems set to music as hymns.

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Helen Wilcox Professor Emerita of English Literature at Bangor University

Victoria Moul Formerly Professor of Early Modern Latin and English at UCL

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Simon Jackson Director of Music and Director of Studies in English at Peterhouse, University of Cambridge

Producer: Simon Tillotson

Reading list:

Amy Charles, A Life of George Herbert (Cornell University Press, 1977)

Thomas M. Corns, The Cambridge Companion to English Poetry: Donne to Marvell (Cambridge University Press, 1993)

John Drury, Music at Midnight: The Life and Poetry of George Herbert (Penguin, 2014)

George Herbert (eds. John Drury and Victoria Moul), The Complete Poetry (Penguin, 2015)

George Herbert (ed. Helen Wilcox), The English Poems of George Herbert (Cambridge University Press, 2007)

Simon Jackson, George Herbert and Early Modern Musical Culture (Cambridge University Press, 2022)

Gary Kuchar, George Herbert and the Mystery of the Word (Palgrave Macmillan, 2017)

Cristina Malcolmson, George Herbert: A Literary Life (Palgrave Macmillan, 2004)

Victoria Moul, A Literary History of Latin and English Poetry: Bilingual Literary Culture in Early Modern England (Cambridge University Press, 2022)

Joseph H. Summers, George Herbert: His Religion and Art (first published by Chatto and Windus, 1954; Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies, New York, 1981)

Helen Vendler, The Poetry of George Herbert (Harvard University Press, 1975)

James Boyd White, This Book of Starres: Learning to Read George Herbert (University of Michigan Press, 1995)

Helen Wilcox (ed.), George Herbert. 100 Poems (Cambridge University Press, 2021)

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