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Growth tactics from OpenAI and Stripe’s first marketer | Krithika Shankarraman

2025/5/25
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曾任Airbnb产品领袖,Localmind联合创始人和CEO,著名产品管理博客和播客作者。
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Krithika Shankarraman: 我认为仅仅复制其他公司的营销策略是行不通的,需要花时间和精力真正了解你的客户。在OpenAI,我发现ChatGPT的营销重点在于创造使用场景,让人们意识到ChatGPT的用途。许多营销指标都是虚荣指标,真正重要的是客户与品牌互动后的体验。因此,不要只是复制其他公司成功的做法,而应该诊断问题,找到适合自己的策略。我总结了一个四步流程,包括诊断问题、分析竞争对手、采取不同的路径和实验验证,这对我来说效果很好。 Lenny Rachitsky: 我认为Krithika的四步诊断方法非常实用,可以帮助营销人员更好地理解客户需求,找到差异化竞争优势。尤其是在快速增长的公司中,营销策略需要不断调整和优化,以适应市场变化。此外,与客户沟通并使用他们用来描述问题的语言是产品营销和信息传递的捷径,因为它告诉你他们的痛点是什么,以及如何满足他们的需求。

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Krithika Shankarraman was the first marketing hire at OpenAI and Stripe and led marketing at Retool. At OpenAI, she established marketing foundations for ChatGPT for consumers and enterprises, as well as their developer API platform. While at Stripe, she spent over eight years building and scaling their marketing function from scratch. An engineer turned marketer, Krithika brings a uniquely analytical approach to marketing. She currently serves as Entrepreneur in Residence at Thrive Capital, where she helps portfolio companies on all things marketing.

What you will learn:

  1. Why do most marketing playbooks often fail, and what’s a better way?

  2. Which marketing lever should I pull first?

  3. Why is trying to be better than competitors usually a losing strategy?

  4. How do I craft positioning that actually converts?

  5. What makes messaging stick with developers, enterprises, and consumers?

  6. What pricing experiments actually move revenue?

  7. What is working at OpenAI really like?

  8. Why does consistency and quality matter more than speed?

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Where to find Krithika Shankarraman:

• X: https://x.com/krithix)

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/krithix/)

• Website: https://krithix.com/)

Where to find Lenny:

• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com)

• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan)

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/)

In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Introduction to Krithika

(04:22) Early marketing lessons from OpenAI

(11:17) Diagnosing marketing needs

(15:06) The DATE framework and why being cheaper is a race to the bottom

(17:11) Marketing strategies at Retool

(22:29) Insights from marketing at Stripe

(32:33) The importance of consistent marketing communication

(39:55) Criteria for hiring a marketing expert

(41:43) “Capital M” vs. “lowercase m” marketing

(43:05) ChatGPT vs. Claude: market dominance

(45:31) The future of AI and its societal impact

(47:09) Work-life balance

(48:41) Transitioning to Thrive

(52:35) Career advice for marketers

(55:00) The importance of taste and creativity in the AI era

(01:00:04) AI product pricing

(01:03:21) AI tools in marketing

(01:05:17) Failure corner

(01:08:46) Lightning round and final thoughts

Referenced:

• OpenAI: https://openai.com/)

• Stripe: https://stripe.com/)

• Retool: https://retool.com/)

• Dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/)

• Sam Altman talks about his business model: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLnyjxgFxew)

• The art and science of pricing | Madhavan Ramanujam (Monetizing Innovation, Simon-Kucher): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-art-and-science-of-pricing-madhavan)

• Pricing your SaaS product: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/saas-pricing-strategy)

• Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/)

• Stripe Connect: https://stripe.com/connect)

• John Collison on X: https://x.com/collision)

• Patrick Collison on X: https://x.com/patrickc)

• Cristina Cordova on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cristinajcordova/)

• Hackpad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackpad)

• Building Wiz: the fastest-growing startup in history | Raaz Herzberg (CMO and VP Product Strategy): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-wiz-raaz-herzberg)

• Wiz: https://www.wiz.io/)

• Thrive Capital: https://thrivecap.com/)

• Brian Chesky’s new playbook: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/brian-cheskys-contrarian-approach)

• Claude: https://claude.ai/new)

• ChatGPT: https://chatgpt.com/)

• Lessons from scaling Stripe | Claire Hughes Johnson (former COO of Stripe): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-scaling-stripe-tactics)

• Databricks: https://www.databricks.com/)

• Everyone’s an engineer now: Inside v0’s mission to create a hundred million builders | Guillermo Rauch (founder and CEO of Vercel, creators of v0 and Next.js): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/everyones-an-engineer-now-guillermo-rauch)

• Tobi Lütke’s leadership playbook: Playing infinite games, operating from first principles, and maximizing human potential (founder and CEO of Shopify): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/tobi-lutkes-leadership-playbook)

• OpenAI’s CPO on how AI changes must-have skills, moats, coding, startup playbooks, more | Kevin Weil (CPO at OpenAI, ex-Instagram, Twitter): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/kevin-weil-open-ai)

• April Dunford on product positioning, segmentation, and optimizing your sales process: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/april-dunford-on-product-positioning)

• A step-by-step guide to crafting a sales pitch that wins | April Dunford (author of Obviously Awesome and Sales Pitch): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/a-step-by-step-guide-to-crafting)

• *Severance *on AppleTV+: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/severance/)

• Granola: https://www.granola.ai/)

• Some people think AI writing has a tell—the em dash. Writers disagree: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/04/09/ai-em-dash-writing-punctuation-chatgpt/)

Recommended books:

Obviously Awesome: How to Nail Product Positioning So Customers Get It, Buy It, Love It: https://www.amazon.com/Obviously-Awesome-Product-Positioning-Customers/dp/1999023005)

Circe: https://www.amazon.com/Circe-Madeline-Miller/dp/0316556327/)

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