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How a great founder becomes a great CEO | Jonathan Lowenhar (co-founder of Enjoy The Work)

2024/12/5
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曾任Airbnb产品领袖,Localmind联合创始人和CEO,著名产品管理博客和播客作者。
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Jonathan Lowenhar 认为创始人与CEO是两种不同的角色,需要不同的技能和态度。创始人需要勇气、直觉和坚持不懈的精神,而CEO则需要掌握管理、财务、招聘、市场营销等方面的技能。他提出了“魔盒范式”,这是一种颠覆传统的收购方法,通过吸引买家并让他们对公司产生幻想来实现成功的退出。他还分享了CEO的常见失败模式,例如机器人式CEO、讨好型CEO、完美主义型CEO、愤怒型CEO、放任型CEO、仓促行动型CEO、犹豫不决型CEO和微观管理型CEO,并建议创始人学习如何避免这些模式。在招聘方面,他建议寻找那些已经做过你需要做的事情的人,并且拥有良好的声誉和匹配的公司价值观。在市场营销方面,他建议创始人首先确定理想客户画像,然后制定营销策略、生成需求和销售。他还强调了信任直觉的重要性,认为创始人的直觉往往是正确的,但需要在平静和反思的状态下才能听到。 Lenny Rachitsky 则强调了创始人模式与管理者模式的差异,以及创始人需要学习如何避免创业过程中的痛苦和失败。他与 Jonathan Lowenhar 探讨了如何将创业公司发展壮大,以及如何成功地将公司出售。他特别关注了招聘和市场营销策略,并对 Jonathan Lowenhar 分享的框架和方法表示赞赏。

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Key Insights

Why do well-run companies succeed?

Every well-run company has a rhythm. Building a company is always the same, regardless of industry. Founders must learn the rhythm and skills needed to launch, grow, scale, and exit a company.

What's the difference between a founder and a CEO?

Being a founder is a state of being—an attitude. Being a CEO is a craft and requires a distinct set of skills.

What are common company failure modes?

Choosing the wrong market, building something no one wants, founder dysfunction, and poor execution are common company failure modes.

What are some common CEO failure modes?

Common CEO failure modes include being a robot CEO (ignoring emotions), a pleaser CEO (avoiding conflict), a perfectionist CEO (prioritizing being right over moving forward), an angry CEO, a laissez-faire CEO (neglecting management), or a micromanager CEO (lacking trust). Also, some CEOs are too cautious with spending (riding the brake) or too reckless (riding the gas) and poor at planning (ready, fire, aim).

What is the Magic Box Paradigm for selling a startup?

The Magic Box Paradigm inverts the traditional sales process. Instead of putting up a "for sale" sign, founders seduce a buyer by learning their fantasy (what they envision happening if they acquire the startup), proving the fantasy (providing evidence it can work), and quantifying the fantasy (building a financial model based on the future).

How can founders build relationships with potential acquirers?

Founders should network authentically, focusing on shared interests and industry insights rather than explicitly selling their company. Strategies include participating in industry panels, sending personalized LinkedIn connection requests, and engaging in informal conversations.

What advice do you have for founders on hiring?

Hire people who have already done the job you need done, have a history of being "pulled" into new roles due to their performance, and whose values align with your company's.

What are the three types of executives startups hire?

The Architect (builds the initial playbook), the Optimizer (refines the playbook for efficiency), and the Scaler (finds leverage and expands reach).

What are the four key components of a go-to-market strategy?

Ideal Customer Profile (ICP), marketing (including positioning and branding), demand generation (finding and reaching potential customers), and sales (developing a playbook for closing deals).

Why should founders trust their intuition?

Intuition, cultivated through self-awareness and quiet reflection, can guide founders through difficult decisions, especially during existential moments. It's distinct from reactive fear responses.

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Jonathan argues that "founder mode" is a state of being, while "CEO mode" is a craft. He emphasizes that founders need to learn the skills of a CEO to effectively build and scale a company.
  • Being a founder is a state of being, being a CEO is a craft.
  • Founders need to learn CEO skills to build a successful company.
  • Building a company requires different skills at different stages (launch, growth, scale, exit).

Shownotes Transcript

Jonathan Lowenhar is the co-founder of Enjoy The Work, an executive coaching firm that helps founders become great CEOs. Over the past decade, Enjoy The Work has supported over 165 founders on their journey to becoming better leaders. In our conversation, we discuss:

• The difference between being a founder and being a CEO

• Common failure modes for startup CEOs and how to avoid them

• The four key elements of an effective go-to-market strategy

• A framework for evaluating potential acquisitions: the magic box paradigm

• How to find and hire the best people

• How to build a repeatable GTM machine

• Why founders need to trust their intuition

• Much more

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Where to find Jonathan Lowenhar:

• X: https://x.com/jlowenhar)

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jlowenhar/)

• Enjoy the Work: https://etw.live/lenny)

Where to find Lenny:

• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com)

• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan)

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/)

In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Jonathan’s background

(02:56) Understanding the rhythm of well-run companies

(09:20) The founder mode vs. manager mode debate

(12:05) Common company failure modes

(13:36) Common CEO failure modes

(25:25) The magic box paradigm for selling your startup

(43:07) Advice for founders on building relationships

(49:28) Hiring and building an amazing team

(57:11) Types of executives: architect, optimizer, scaler

(59:45) Working backward in hiring

(01:02:54) Four key components of a go-to-market strategy

(01:15:01) Trusting founder intuition

(01:19:12) Founder vs. CEO: different roles, different skills

(01:20:52) Closing thoughts and lightning round

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• “Founder Mode” Is a Dangerous Red Herring: https://enjoythework.com/founder-mode-is-a-dangerous-red-herring/)

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• Nathan Blecharczyk on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/blecharczyk/)

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• How to get your marketing team to drive more impact: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-get-your-marketing-team-to)

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