Gong's pod model organizes product teams into cross-functional units, each consisting of a product manager, a user experience designer, fractional writers, fractional analysts, and 5-7 engineers led by an engineering team leader. This structure allows pods to operate autonomously, focusing on specific outcomes like building new products or features, such as the forecasting tool they developed.
Gong works closely with design partners, often involving 6-12 or even up to 24 partners per pod. These partners provide real-time feedback on half-built features, allowing Gong to iterate quickly and ensure the product meets customer needs. This approach has led to a near 100% success rate in feature adoption.
Gong prioritizes autonomy and trust because it allows team members to bring their unique perspectives and creativity to the table, leading to better results. Eilon Reshef believes that giving teams the freedom to make decisions fosters motivation and long-term engagement, ultimately resulting in higher-quality products.
The 'spiral method' involves starting with a basic understanding of a topic and then spiraling deeper by talking to multiple experts. As you gather insights from different sources, the new information decreases until you reach a point of convergence, indicating a solid understanding of the topic. This method helps in quickly mastering complex subjects.
Gong focused on a narrow ICP to create a 'small pond' where customers could influence each other, leading to viral adoption. By targeting specific criteria like U.S.-based companies selling software over video conferencing, Gong was able to build a strong foothold in a niche market before expanding.
Gong learned that while LLMs (Large Language Models) are powerful, they don't solve everything. Expertise in AI and machine learning is still essential for building specialized models, such as deal prediction systems. Gong emphasizes the importance of measuring progress and iterating quickly to improve AI capabilities.
Gong encourages product managers to interpret customer feedback rather than blindly implementing requests. They assess whether a feature is a 'must-have' or unique to one customer. This approach ensures that products are broadly applicable while still addressing specific customer needs.
A research coordinator at Gong handles the logistics of setting up meetings with design partners. They work with product managers to identify target markets and customer profiles, then reach out to potential partners and schedule meetings, streamlining the process for the product team.
Eilon Reshef believes in making decisions quickly, even when the choice isn't clear-cut. He argues that many decisions are 51-49 in favor of one option, and delaying doesn't significantly improve the outcome. This approach reduces overthinking and keeps the team moving forward efficiently.
Gong's 95% feature adoption rate highlights the effectiveness of their design partner approach. By working closely with customers during development, Gong ensures that the features they build are highly relevant and valuable, leading to widespread usage across their customer base.
Eilon Reshef is the co-founder and chief product officer at Gong, one of the most ubiquitous B2B products in the world. In our conversation, we discuss:
• Gong’s unique approach to working with design partners
• Their unique pod model
• Why Eilon makes big decisions quickly
• Lessons learned from being early in AI
• The power of extreme focus
• His “spiral method” for learning complex topics quickly
• How to maintain quality while optimizing for speed
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Find the transcript at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-gong-eilon-reshef
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Where to find Eilon Reshef:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eilonreshef
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In this episode, we cover:
(00:00) Eilon’s background
(04:20) The pod model
(06:33) Working with design partners
(09:13) Finding and coordinating design partners
(13:12) Balancing customer feedback and vision
(15:10) Gong's 95% feature adoption
(17:05) The importance of autonomy and trust
(23:30) How to implement this unique way of working
(27:15) Speed and decision-making
(31:47) Early AI adoption and lessons learned
(35:50) Building effective AI teams
(38:16) The spiral method for learning
(41:36) Narrowing down the initial customer profile
(44:24) Failure corner
(46:35) Lightning round
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Referenced:
• Gong: https://www.gong.io
• Cisco: https://www.cisco.com/
• How Gong builds product: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-gong-builds-product
• What is Montessori education?: https://amshq.org/About-Montessori/What-Is-Montessori
• Isaac Asimov: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov
• Amit Bendov on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amitbendov/
• Lessons from scaling Spotify: The science of product, taking risky bets, and how AI is already impacting the future of music | Gustav Söderström (Co-President, CPO, and CTO at Spotify): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-scaling-spotify-the
• Nvidia: https://www.nvidia.com
• Figma: https://www.figma.com
• The Spiral Method: https://www.gong.io/blog/using-the-spiral-method/
• Webex: https://www.webex.com/
• L’Oréal: https://www.lorealparisusa.com/
• American Express: https://www.americanexpress.com/
• Slow Horses on AppleTV+: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/slow-horses/umc.cmc.2szz3fdt71tl1ulnbp8utgq5o
• Dishwasher basket: https://www.amazon.com/Munchkin-High-Capacity-Dishwasher-Basket/dp/B07ZPMYKKS/
• What most people miss about marketing | Rory Sutherland (Vice Chairman of Ogilvy UK, author): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/what-most-people-miss-about-marketing
• Occam’s razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor
• Hanlon’s razor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
• Sabich: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabich#Ingredients_and_description
• Careers at Gong: https://www.gong.io/careers
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Recommended books:
• Marty Cagan’s books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Marty-Cagan/author/B00J21JTNM
• “The Machine That Won the War”: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18402398-the-machine-that-won-the-war
• Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling Disruptive Products to Mainstream Customers: https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Chasm-3rd-Disruptive-Mainstream/dp/0062292986
• The Ideal Executive: https://www.amazon.com/Ideal-Executive-Ichak-Kalderon-Adizes/dp/0937120030/
• Crucial Conversations: Tools for Talking when Stakes Are High: https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Conversations-Tools-Talking-Stakes/dp/1260474186/
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