536 Your Natural Medicine Chest Part One, Immune Support Cold & Flu, Natural Pain Relief PhD Dr. Ellen Kamhi Teaches Holistic & Herbal Medicine
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Hello, True Health Seeker, and welcome to another exciting episode of the Learn True Health podcast. Today we have with us PhD Dr. Ellen Kamai. She has been teaching natural, holistic, and herbal medicine for 52 years.

It's amazing. Since the 70s, she's been helping people to get so healthy that they're no longer in pain, they're no longer sick and suffering, and just a wonderful wealth of knowledge. We have such a great interview for you today. This is going to be definitely one of those interviews that you're going to want to share with so many of your friends and

Maybe just like copy the link to it and store it somewhere in your phone. You know, I use them. I have an Android. My husband has an iPhone. So I understand there's two totally different types of phones out there. But both types of phones have somewhere where you can store notes. And I use the Keep app.

And I love it. I keep tons of notes and then you can pin them to the top if they're really important. As I was interviewing her, I jotted down all the really important points. And of course, I'm going to make sure that this is in the show notes of today's podcast at LearnTrueHealth.com along with all the links to everything she does. And I've stored those in my little Keep app where you can keep notes. And if you have never done that, it is a game changer.

So definitely check out a note keeping app on your phone, whether you have an Android or an Apple, you will find that you being able to store some notes and quickly access them has been so helpful because I can't tell you how many listeners in our Facebook group, LearnShelf Facebook group, and also our

friends and family have come to me saying, oh, I've got a sore throat or I'm starting to have a cold. What should I do? And oh, no, my kid is spiking a fever or my kid's feeling sick or I'm feeling sick. My husband's feeling sick, which I do. And I grabbed the notes that I wrote down during my interview with Dr. Kamai and they have been such a game changer for

My family has also had quite the experience. So I interviewed her a few weeks ago, several weeks ago. So we've had this experience since interviewing her. I bought, ordered everything that she recommended and I've had it in my little medicine cabinet or how she phrases it, the natural medicine chest. I definitely have a big natural medicine chest with a lot of cool herbs and homeopathy and phototherapy patches. And now the vibe is,

which I run to when anytime someone in my family or a close friend who's visiting feels any symptom under the weather, we run to those and just blow it out of our system quickly. Get rid of pain, get rid of a headache, get rid of a little sore throat or a cough and

And it's just been amazing, my life, the last over 10 years. My first instinct is to go to natural medicine before going to a pharmaceutical. And now I so rarely need a, myself and my family so rarely need a pharmaceutical. And I just love that, that it was such a 180, that there was a time in my life where I was on constant medication and

you know, 20 years ago. And now it is, it's so wonderful to have this reversal where it is so odd and weird and rare to even think of having a pharmaceutical either over the counter or prescribed. But of course, you know, these are tools, right? We have to be pragmatic. So have the tools, first of all, have the tools in your tool belt.

So that when you get a scratchy throat in the middle of the night, you can go to them instead of waiting to get super sick. So this is what happened to us is that we we used her recommendations. Several of us, one of us would have a little sore throat or the other one would kind of start feeling fluish and we use them.

The moment we started feeling like that and we were able to blow stuff out of our system so fast, it was really cool instead of having it take hold. Of course, eating healthy and all the lifestyle things you can do, but even super healthy people get sick. And what I love this concept that it's not that you don't get sick.

It's how quickly your body can bounce back. And that is the true testament to health. How quickly can you blow it out of your system? How quickly can you bounce back? Are you still feeling sick weeks after a cold or flu? Or do you just like within 24 hours, blow it out of your system and then you're moving on to the next thing and feeling great. We can always improve no matter where we are. We can always improve. So

Today is one of those interviews that you're going to want to take the link to this interview, store it in the little notebook app on your phone, whichever one you use. Like I said, I use the Keep one and I love that. You're going to share this episode. I bet you're going to share this episode at least 10 times this winter. Yeah.

This is the episode that is going to help so many of your friends and family. Before we get to this episode, I want to let you know of a few other things that have been so, so, so helpful for pain and for immune, because this episode is about helping with natural ways to reverse pain and also really important how to blow out a cold or flu out of your system and get healthier and get back to life faster than if you just, you know,

I don't know, waited, just stayed at home and waited to get better. So these interventions are super helpful. The things that I have turned to that have really helped, the phototherapy patches, and if you want to learn more about them, you can listen to my two interviews, episodes 496

and 517. And you can also book a free phone call with me where I can talk to you about them. I can help you order them and order the right ones for you. And I can teach you how to use them. They are, they're a real game changer. One thing that I accomplished by using them is I use them for an adrenal and kidney tonification protocol. And I use them for an adrenal and kidney tonification protocol.

that gave me the energy that I had back when I was a kid. I don't know if you ever have thought like, what happened to me? I used to be able to like,

get up and get on my bicycle on a Saturday morning and just like go, go, go, go, go and then not come home until the streetlights came on. And I was just I was full of energy when I was a kid. And then something happened in my 30s or 40s or 50s. And and now I'm just super tired. And if you're thinking like, when did I lose that youth?

full unlimited energy. You're going to love the phototherapy patches. I use them specifically with that protocol and we have over 80 protocols. I did it for about six weeks and I noticed that I was able to get a lot more out in the gym. Like I went from five minutes on the rower to 23 minutes on the rower virtually overnight, having a lot more endurance. And this is, there's a lot of athletes. There's a ton of pictures we have of all of the Olympic athletes wearing the phototherapy patches, RFK Jr.,

We have pictures of him. We see him in the gym wearing them. And that's because there's results. There's over 80 studies showing that it increases muscle output and recovery time, but it also increases healthy bone tissue. So bone density, we've had great experiences with that where people go back and get their DEXA scans and show that they have healthier bones. There's increased muscle mass and increased output and recovery for athletes. But for me personally,

I got that energy back. I used to watch my child, he's nine now, almost 10, but right around when he was about six or seven, I had this aha moment where I'm like, I lost that. I lost that ability to just go, go, go, go, go some point in my life. And, you know, I couldn't keep up with him. And then I did this protocol for about six weeks, somewhere around the second month, I

I just realized it was maybe seven at night and I was go, go, go all day with my son. We do activities all day. We're homeschool. So we just do activity after activity. And I hadn't sat the whole day and I wasn't tired. And I'm like, oh, I got it back. And it's really cool because I did that protocol about two years ago and I only needed to do it for just just just around two months or just under two months.

About two years ago, and I still have it. So it helped me. It corrected something, and it's so intriguing. So listen to those two episodes, 496 and 517, and then book a free phone call with me because I'd love to chat with you. I absolutely love helping the listeners, helping you guys. I have the most amazing experiences chatting with you guys. So if you're a little intimidated or shy, please don't be. I'm...

I love talking to you. I'd be so honored and so excited to be part of your healing journey and to talk to you. You just share with me what's going on. And I have so many resources that I can point you to. If you're suffering in any way, I'm offering you something for free. Just please talk to me for free. It's a free phone call and I'll point you to a bunch of resources. And if you want to try the patches, you can absolutely try. They have an amazing money back guarantee. I have over 200 clients using them successfully, having great results. And I'm so excited to be part of your healing journey.

And the good news is, is that there's no risk. And if you don't like it, you can get your money back. And I don't have any experience with returns because I

um people get results with them but it's good to know that there's no there's no risk just try it so go ahead and go to learntruehealth.com and click on work with ashley james in the menu and then the very first option is scheduling a free phone call with me it can be about 20 minutes long but if you have a ton of questions it'll go longer and i'm just there with you to help you and i can point you to a lot of great resources so that's the phototherapy patches i'm

They're amazing, especially for if a cold or flu is coming on, we have a protocol for that and it really does work. At the height of a head cold, when you're all stuffed up, we put patches, these specific patches on the sinuses and they will drain them within minutes. I had a friend kind of yelp because I put them on her and then she goes, oh my gosh, it worked. And I'm like, of course it worked. She's like, I didn't think it would work. Like, well, what did you think I was doing? Like putting these things on you? She's like, I can't believe that works.

And so at the height of a head cold, you will be able to breathe through your nose while you're sleeping. It's just I mean, even if you just use them for as part of your medicine cabinet, your medicine chest, it's an amazing tool to have something that's drug free. That's all natural. That's not going to hurt you. That's even safe for children and babies. And it's it's so neat. The other thing I wanted to share with you is the vibe. You can listen to episode 532 with Mark Fox. He's amazing. He's amazing.

He invented a machine that is a pocket PEMF and frequency-specific microcurrent machine. My family and I have been using it for several months. We've shared it with several of our friends, and we are getting outstanding results. It is...

It is one of the coolest things I've ever experienced. It's right up there with the phototherapy patches. It's so neat. It's turned off headaches. It is turned off EMS pain. It actually helped me have an emotional mental like breakthrough. It helped me significantly with my PTSD. Like it, there's a PTSD setting and it is like virtually gone. I've just, I've had such great emotional healing from it. It helps with sleep. It

I think I spent the first hour of the interview talking to him about all the results that everyone has been getting that I was sharing it with. And it just keeps going and going. It's really neat. So out of all the Christmas gifts you could get someone, if you're getting a Hanukkah or Christmas gift or just a holiday gift or a birthday gift,

I know we always have these family members who are like, I don't know what to get them. They have everything they need. I don't know what I could get them that would add to their life because we just have so much clutter, right? We don't want to just give nonsense, right? Like just another knickknack, another candle, just something that is going to collect dust. It's not going to really add value to their life.

This will add value. This is the gift you give people that you think have everything. They don't have this. And it will add quality to their life and it will add health to their life. And it's so easy to use, especially like men. I've noticed like husbands who are or boyfriends or whatever, men or brothers, dads,

They're not necessarily going to sit down and eat healthy and take a supplement, but they have like the aches and pains and they're not necessarily going to make these big health changes, but you want to help them in some way. They just press a button on this machine. They select one of the different programs and they put it in their pocket.

And the programs are about a half an hour to 45 minutes to an hour, just depending on the program. And it makes a difference if people notice a difference. And they also have a money back guarantee. They're a great company. Mark Fox is amazing. So listen to episode 532. And what you want to do to purchase it is go to learntruehealth.com slash vibe. That's V-I-B-E.

LearnTrueHealth.com slash vibe. Mark so graciously gave us a wonderful discount for ordering the vibe and get it now because it will ship and get on time to your house for Christmas. And if you are international, even Canada, he for Canada, because the Canadian Post, the

is on strike, he is shipping FedEx and he is not charging extra for that, which he's amazing. He's like, yeah, I'm eating the costs and I'm just shipping the fastest way I can so that it can get to my Canadian listeners. So if you are in Canada, order it. If you're anywhere around the world, he says he ships worldwide. He will ship quickly. I'm not sure if it'll get to you by Christmas, but I know that in the US you absolutely can get it by Christmas if you order now.

And because he does ship fast. So that's learntourhealth.com slash five. So that is the Christmas gift to get people. It is amazing. And tell your friend, hey, you use this. You've got to use it. But if you don't, just give me that give back because I'll use it for myself. And maybe that'll motivate them to use it and have them listen to my interview episode of 532 with Mark Fox, where he shares the technology and why it works. And it does. And there are studies. He's been conducting studies

amazing studies on PTSD and sleep. And there's, he's in the middle of conducting a study with blood sugar and with diabetics. Diabetics are significantly more

like noticing a significant shift in their blood sugar regulation, which is so cool. Well, we also have really good results with Lyme, people with Lyme, Lyme and the co-infections and also MS. Just amazing. There's so many, so many applications for this thing because it's, it's frequency medicine, just like homeopathy is frequency medicine and the phototherapy patches are frequency medicine. This is a whole, this is, this is where we're going. This is where we're heading is, is frequency medicine.

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Welcome to the Learn True Health Podcast. I'm your host, Ashley James. This is episode 536. I am so excited for today's guest and I know you're just going to love that I'm introducing you to Dr. Ellen Kamai.

Thank you so much for coming on the show. You are naturalnurse.com. You have two podcasts and you've been teaching holistic and herbal medicine and you've been practicing since 1964. You are a wealth of knowledge and I love that you've published 18 books and you teach regular courses, including, and I understand that you also teach, uh,

continue education eligible certification for practitioners in the holistic health space? Well, actually, any practitioners. They don't have to be in the holistic health space. Anyone with a license who needs ongoing CE units, so that might be nurses, massage therapists, naturopathic physicians,

Acupuncturists, anyone with one of those licenses where they need CE units can take classes which have a natural focus because that's what I teach and use them towards their regular licensure. But people can take it just for their own knowledge. They don't have to need CEUs to take our classes.

Love it. And I've watched videos of you and I definitely recommend listeners go and check out others. There's so many videos on YouTube. But when I look at you, you're who I want to be when I grow up. You look so vibrant and so healthy and you walk the walk, you talk the talk. And that's what we really want to see in our practitioners. Right. And in our mentors, we want to see that they they're teaching us the path, but they're also walking the path.

Now, you have a Ph.D. and you're also an RN. And then there's this alphabet soup after your name. I know. It's wonderful. I love it. But you specialize in herbal medicine and also homeopathy, energy medicine, essential oils, which to me essential oils are herbal medicine. But it's that wonderful branch all into itself.

And I love that you teach in such an eloquent way how to support, how we can support our body's ability to heal itself and to maintain optimal health.

And I'm really excited today because in doing our pre-interview talk, we're like, okay, what do you want to talk about today? There's so many things you can talk about. And you started listing off some things and I'm like, yes, I want to talk about that. I want to talk about that. So we nailed it down to three things, although we could really just, we could dig into each one of these for hours. You have really effective herbs for pain, which I think is really important, especially because a lot of times pain is...

exacerbated by inflammation. And so, as we know, herbs are so wonderful at helping the body regulate that inflammation. And then you have an amazing immune protocol that you've dialed in in the last four years when people were really up against it. You know, I don't have to say what happened in the last four years. Everyone knows

the last four years, but you've had over 5,000 people successfully do this herbal protocol when they were struck with a cold or flu and had great results. And then I love that you also teach how we can nourish the hypothalamus pituitary adrenal access and really help our body to get

Into that healing mode and out of that constant stress mode, which then helps regulate so many of our functions of our body. And I believe women, we suffer because we drag our bodies through the mud and we believe the lies the MD tells us that, oh, you're just...

Those symptoms are just because of your age. And I rebel against that because you can be super healthy at any age and don't tell me I'm unhealthy because of my age. That's just total cop-out BS. So I'm really excited to dive in, but I'd love for you to share a bit about yourself so the listener can start to learn how you came about loving herbal medicine and loving to share it with the world. Sure. Well, yes, going back years ago.

I really was loving just nature in general. And I was teaching horseback riding at a camp. And then what happened was I fell off the horse during, you know, teaching horseback riding.

And it was very, very severe. I was told by, again, the doctor, and I don't think they were lying, and I don't think the doctors are lying to you either. I think that's just the best knowledge they have, which is incorrect. But I was told that I would not walk again unless I had surgery.

That's what I was told. That's the only way out of this, and I'm going to have to have surgery in order to walk again. However, I just was always into, you know, some people might call it talking to God, but basically, you know, doing deep dives spiritually.

And I actually got a very clear message that no, that's not the case. And you can use various plant medicines and natural medicines to be able to walk again.

So I started looking around and what I did was go to the library. And at the time we had something which some people may not remember. It's called the card catalog. Do you even know what a card catalog is? Is it the Dewey Decimal System? Well, I'd say it's related to that. Okay. Basically, it's in the libraries. That's the only place they were. And they actually had a drawer and you pulled out the drawer.

And there was, you could look up things. So in fact, I was looking up natural remedies for an injury, a back injury, which is what I had. And there was so much information. Right away, I was taken aback. I said, how is it possible that there's so much information that the doctor did not recommend any of these things? How is that even possible?

But nonetheless, what I did was I dug into it and I got in touch with a lot of the people who wrote books that were in the library about what to do. For instance, a castor oil pack. It's interesting that I learned about a castor oil pack from Edgar Cayce's Institute, which is still there in Virginia Beach. And

And he taught all about how to use a castor oil pack. And just recently now, over the last year or so, it's become all the rage. Like it's tick-tocking on TikTok and various places. Everybody has to have a castor oil pack. And truthfully, I do think that it's an excellent idea to have castor oil packs available, to learn how to use them correctly. And they are extremely, extremely useful and helpful.

So that's one of the things I did. Then I also learned about various really well-known herbalists at the time, such as Dr. Bernard Jensen. I started getting all his books and writing away for many of the herbal therapeutics that he discussed, such as white willow bark would be one.

And each and everything I did, thank God I had a dad. He didn't believe in any of this. But, you know, more or less I knew how to kind of manipulate him, you know, how kids do that with their parents. And like I wasn't going to leave him alone unless he helped me out. Because at the time there was no Internet. There was no credit cards.

Okay, this is another world. A lot of people don't remember. So the only way I could access any of these things was to call them on the phone. And then my father, God bless him, went along with me, not so happily, but he did it. And he had to actually write checks and mail the checks to these various places. There were no health food stores yet. And then I got all those things mailed to me.

And I used them. And with each thing I used, I felt better. I felt a little less pain. After a while, I was able to stand up. After a while, I was able to walk. And you know, when you're going to get surgery, you cannot schedule it right away. There has to be a cooling off period.

So by the time I went back to the doctor, I walked into his office and I also wrote down all the whole entire protocol that I had developed on my own to get rid of this issue that was supposedly going to need surgery, which was a very severely injured back from a horseback riding accident.

And I thought he would be so happy, so happy that I walked in so I wouldn't need surgery. But he was not at all happy, quite the contrary. He looked very upset to see me walk in. Of course, I didn't know anything about, you know, how much you get paid to perform surgery or any of these things. But I think that's how he was looking at it. You know, oh, that's not good. We can't schedule her.

And then I showed him this whole list of everything I had developed that really helped. And I thought he'd be so excited to see it so he could tell all his patients how they can get out of doing surgery. But truthfully, that was not the case.

He was rather upset, I would say. And then he held that paper where I wrote the protocol far away from his eyes and sort of looked at it like, oh, this is like really awful. And just dismissed me, basically dismissed me. But it was what set me on the path that I am on to this day, every day, all day, and what I have done my whole entire life.

which is learn about natural remedies. And it's taken me all over the world. I've lived with indigenous cultures in many, many different places in the world. And then since I am also scientifically oriented, I have taken those natural therapeutics into the laboratory

To not prove that they work, I know they do. Anything that is really a herbal remedy, an old-fashioned herbal remedy, it wouldn't get to be that if it didn't work. Yes. So I don't question if it works, but I do like to show through science that

the mechanism of action of exactly where the various receptors fit in, let's say, to that inflammatory response and lower it. Where does it bring it down? You know, is it reducing one of the immunomodulatory cytokines that cause pain or is it just turning off receptors? You know, like how does it work? So I've done a lot of work in various universities around the world with that.

And so I've been very, very busy with herbal medicine for really my entire life. Oh, I love that. I love that so much. Yeah, you do eco tours for cures. That would be amazing to travel with you that where you take participants to indigenous areas to experience the ancient healing arts of the traditional cultures.

How do we find out about the Eco Tours for Cures? Would that be on your website, naturalnurse.com? Well, a good place to go is naturalnurse.com and then look at classes and events.

And under that, we have the Echo Tours for Cures listed, where you could click on that and find out all about them. We've been doing that. Maybe this is perhaps our 40th year of taking people in to live, actually, in indigenous areas around the world for a week and study with not only ourselves, but indigenous healers. But we also do local events.

tours like that. For instance, in Long Island, we do many walks in the summer where we take a walk. This is only like a one day event. And we gather wild, edible and medicinal plants and then make them into medicine. We also do echo tours right in Chinatown in New York City to learn about Chinese medicine. So we have a vast array of ways people can work with us to learn more.

Oh, my gosh. So, like, that would be the best. For me, that's an ideal vacation. I have now put that on my bucket list. If anyone wants to send me a gift, send me on one of these eco tours because I...

That sounds like so much fun. I love that. I've had a few walks with naturopathic doctors here, like around Bastyr, around the, there's, you know, foliage, there's forests around Bastyr and then certain forests locally to where I am in the greater Seattle area up in Snohomish County. And I've had some experiences walking with naturopaths and they'll, you know, pick herbs and tell me about it. And I just think it looks, they all look like plants to me. They're all just

It's like a big green mess of weeds. And they're like, oh, no, this is so good for you. And try this and eat that. They certainly are plants. And weed, really, that's an interesting word. Because weed really kind of means a plant that you don't know what to do with it. Exactly. But it's interesting because last year Bastyr actually had our event through them.

So we did it in coordination with Bastyr and we took a lot of people on that trip and they got course credits through Bastyr for attending our Echo Tours for Cures. Nice. That's so cool. It's so empowering to learn about your local foliage and learn, you know, that you can go outside, go walk in a forest,

close by and you can start finding your own cures find finding your own um you know medicinals what wild crafted obviously being best but if you if you don't live in an area that close you can start growing your own herbs i know there's a nature path nature path here i had her on my show and uh her name is escaping me for a moment i'll remember but i had her on my show years ago and uh she i

She has a huge garden in her clinic, beside her clinic, and her patients grow their own therapies, therapeutics. They grow, so she, they talk about, they talk together about what they need, and then they go out into the garden and she shows them how to plant their own herbs and tend to them and then come and pick them and harvest them and make their own medicine together.

And I just I love that, that getting getting right back to the earth because God gave us the therapies that we need. God gave us the nutrition we need. And we when we go back and look at the way modern medicine came about, they've really did this wonderful hundred year, wonderful meaning horrific, hundred year PR campaign to to make us forget, to make us lose touch with.

so that they could just sell us drugs and tell us that that's the only answer when we, you know, our great-grandparents, our great-great-grandparents had more of a grasp of natural healing than we did because they've...

They've made us forget. We've all fallen asleep. So we have to wake up and start remembering and start learning before this is lost. That's true. That's one of the assignments that everyone gets. I do teach a class called Natural Nurse Herbal Certification Course. And that's one of my favorite courses. It has 18 CEUs.

for anyone who needs CEUs, but anyone can take it. And once you complete that, you are on your way to be an herbalist. By the time you complete that course, you can actually know the right way to use herbal remedies for yourself and your family, as well as be apprised of our herbal language, like what's a coligog, and what's a demulcent, and what do those words mean that herbalists would use to discuss

a variety of things about plant medicine. And it's super affordable and super accessible. So that's a good class to take if you want to start on a path of knowing herbal medicine. And that I teach once a year. And you can find that at naturalnurse.com under classes and events as well. Love it. Love it so much.

Okay, so let's dive in because we've got a lot. I want to just squeeze your brain out and get as much out of you as possible. I'm really excited for us to start talking about herbs for pain. We're going to talk about that, immune stuff later, and also get into the HPA stuff. So touching on something that everyone needs to know, but what I love is

where it all started for you was healing your back, but also I'm sure managing the pain that came from your injury. So these are some of the herbs you've been using and improved work to yourself first. And then you see how much they've helped thousands of people to get out of pain. But of course, when we're talking about pain, we're also wanting, from the holistic standpoint, we're wanting to help the body heal itself, right? So this is not just like taking in

taking an Advil or taking a Tylenol just to suppress. Herbs aren't just like a band-aid. We want to help the body come back into balance. But of course, we want to take people out of suffering. So I'm excited to hear what you have to say about herbs for pain.

Well, certainly that became a very large focus because that's what really brought me into studying all of this. And so two of the main books that I wrote about that, one is called Arthritis, the Alternative Medicine Definitive Guide.

and it's reversing underlying causes of arthritis with clinically proven natural therapies. And of course, that involves relieve pain naturally without drug side effects, as well as actually rebuilding joints that are damaged

from osteoarthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, Lyme disease, and other problems, as well as regaining an active lifestyle. So those are all very important things. And this book is a best seller called "Arthritis." And then what we did is just to make an easier, quicker reference journal, we also wrote a shorter book called "Supplements for Pain," and that's also available as an e-book.

That's really comprehensive natural help for all these inflammatory processes. And what's so amazing and wonderful about all these natural therapies is the amount of scientific inquiry, because I am very active now with the NIH. The NIH is the National Institute of Health.

And they have an office for complementary and integrative therapy. And every month, by the way, people can join this for free, you can actually listen in on these amazing presentations that are done by top doctors at major universities throughout the United States and the world about these topics.

And they are recommending that because the evidence shows that natural therapeutics are not only just as efficacious, they often work better, but equally or perhaps more importantly, with a much higher level of safety.

Well, the pharmaceuticals really can be very helpful in the short-term situation, but often bring your overall health and wellness down and sometimes are deadly. So there really should not be the first and only choice, which conventional medicine seems limited to. Mm-hmm.

And with I think some people have a significant mistrust, their mistrust for doctors, there's mistrust for organizations. Even the NIH has increased in the last four years just given what we've seen. And it's it's it's really frustrating because so many doctors suppressed or poo pooed

the natural remedies that or even there was some longstanding drug drug based therapeutics that were helping people get over, get over COVID in the last four years. And there's a lot of misinformation. And what I would say for those listeners who have a feel like they have a distrust of

of doctors and of organizations. There's a coalition of holistic healers like yourself who are educators and they're just taking the word doctor, which the root word is docere, and that means teacher. Our doctor is supposed to teach us. We're supposed to learn how to support our body's ability to heal itself. The modern MD is not living up to that, and they're not living up to even their Hippocratic Oath doctrine.

But there are people like you, even in these organizations, right, that are doing good. And so don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Find these amazing healers and listen to them, especially you, because it's all integrated, right? It's just this big clump of different therapeutics. And the more we can get the mainstream people to start listening to this and going, hey,

Don't just run to the drugs. This is actually quite dangerous to only go to drug-based medicine. But it seems fast and easy. If only it really worked. Right. You know, like the vision is do whatever I want. Do not eat healthy. Do not exercise. Do not pay attention to any of that. Do whatever I want. And when something starts to break down, take yet another pill and it'll all be fine. That would be great if it worked.

But it doesn't, unfortunately. It's like the Jetsons, right? You think back to the Jetsons. It's just like the Jetsons. You live in your little spaceship houses and you have robots do things for you and you get to be super lazy. And then just pop a pill for your nutrition and pop a pill for if your back hurts and you're good. That's just that's not how it works. It's not how health works. And we've been really fed this PR campaign of lies lately.

and medical myths. However, it's also true with natural therapeutics. Since I've been in this field, as you mentioned, since 1964, and I was also the head nurse at a major integrative medical center in Manhattan on the corner of 57th and 7th, right next to Carnegie Hall, a big fancy place.

And I was the head nurse there for 23 years. The doctor was Serafina Corsello. And we actually literally saw many thousands of patients. And everyone who came in got a lot of testing. I think that there's under-testing done in mainstream medicine. Everybody should really have a complete analysis of their nutritional status, every nutrient, because that's where you can then actually test

put together an excellent diet that supports those things that you're low in, as well as using targeted supplements when needed, which is a very different approach than do whatever you want and then take a drug. Right.

And the amount of nutrients, the micronutrients that we get in those phytochemicals that we get from herbs, you can measure in labs, but you see the results. You can measure it in labs. That's why it's so good. But you have to get the right kind of laboratory that does a full micronutrient assessment. And a regular laboratory will often not do that. And truthfully, you know, it costs money to do it because it's not going to be the kind of test that's under health insurance.

but you can get quite an intense view even down to what micronutrients are missing from your Krebs cycle.

from a lot of these modern laboratories. So it's really worth looking into because sometimes you can find, wow, that's the missing link. I'm low on this micronutrient, which is not found in a conventional drug, not drug test, but blood test. And then you can use herbs, foods, et cetera, that actually fill in those missing links.

Love it. Let's get into the specifics of using herbs for pain. Great. There's so many, and I know people know some of them, but I'll let you know some information about ones that might be a little bit more obscure, but that I have actually done case studies on how well they work. So one I would talk about is the green-lipped mussel. And actually, it's an edible shellfish that's native to New Zealand. And it's a very, very good fish.

And it's very high in a very unique kind of fatty acid known to reduce inflammation.

And it's a previously unidentified omega-3 fatty acid. So a lot of people have not heard about it. But green lip muscles also contain amino acids, trace minerals, glucose aminoglycans, which are all things that fill in joint tissue because it's a component of cartilage. And it's a really, really good thing to incorporate if you're looking for pain reduction. And people don't know about that one too much.

That's a really interesting one. So how would they take it? Is that encapsulated or do they just...

as well as New York City. We have a very in-depth Chinatown area, as well as in Flushing. So that's an easy thing to get in those kind of areas because they're familiar with it, green lip muscle. But nowadays, as you said before we went on, you can get anything on the internet. It's actually a very easy thing to find.

Really interesting. So I'm surprised because I think of herbal medicine and being only plant-based or vegan, and your first thing is an animal, is a crustacean. But that's just like looking for our nutrients, looking for our nutrients in our food and supporting our body's ability to heal itself by finding whole foods that contain the healing properties our body needs. Wow.

Well, certainly lots of plant-based nutrients are, for instance, bitter melon, which is also called Mammortica tarantula. It's also known as sericea. A very interesting thing because sericea, the leaves on that plant bring down blood sugar. So it's often used for things like diabetes and also arthritis.

So it's helpful for psoriatic arthritis in particular. And when we dig into that mechanism of action that I mentioned before, we find out that it slows the rapid cellular proliferation that causes that buildup of scaly skin that people have when they have psoriatic conditions, such as psoriatic arthritis. And I would combine that with homeopathics too, because I always use in my protocols,

homeopathics, foods, exercise, herbal remedies all together. You know, some people like just to use herbs or some people like to use just food, etc. But I'm someone who really looks across the board. But also, I don't develop protocols for individuals at this point. I've done so many thousands and I find my time is better used to teach other people

holistic or just conventional people who are already

using remedies for people how to integrate natural therapeutics, which are so much better, so much safer, and actually better outcomes. And so you have a happier client and then you have a happier professional who feels really good about the information that they're sharing, as well as seeing people get better, which is very exciting. I would say almost every doctor and nurse

went into that field because they wanted to help people. But because of mostly the influence of the pharmaceutical companies, and this, by the way, in my book, The Natural Medicine Chest, I have a full chapter on the history of natural medicine. And it's very focused on the politics of natural medicine. It didn't just happen, happenstance.

that doctors do not know about natural remedies other than, of course, naturopathic physicians at Bastyr and others at naturopathic colleges are highly trained in natural remedies. But it's not a mistake. It was actually a specific coup and takeover of even medical schools so that the only thing doctors learn about really is very little. They just mostly learn about pharmaceuticals.

and surgery, of course. And so those two things are great. I wouldn't say we should throw them out, but I would say they should be used very little. My own parents, you know, lived, my mom's alive, 96, never took a pharmaceutical. Wow. My father lived to 95, never took a pharmaceutical.

Amazing. So it's not like he didn't die. He died in 95 one day after running around all day, which he always ran around all day after going out and drinking, out to eat and drinking and driving, which I kept telling him you shouldn't do. He told me when I get older than him, that's when I can tell him what to do. And, you know, then he did have a sudden stroke and passed away. So it's not like natural things will make you live forever. But the thing is, it extends your wellness.

Because he was well till that day. And then bye. You know, good way to go. So the thing is, there's so much overuse. Almost every individual I know is on five or six pharmaceuticals. And they all interact together and make you overall less well. And do very little other than cover up whatever symptom you're taking it for. So I'm not a big fan. Mm-hmm.

And in the last few years, a lot of people participated in the mass medical experiment known as the VASA.

the COVID vaccine and it was an experiment and you shouldn't even call it a vaccine. It, it, it manipulated our own RNA. And I know several, I'm close, close friends with several people who dropped dead. And I know several children whose parents just thought they were doing, they were doing the best they could with the information they had. And now their children are permanently damaged or so far permanently damaged. Yeah.

It is sad. If we're going to go there, my own children, who are in their 50s, were never vaccinated. And they, I'm guessing, stayed away from the medical experiment. Yeah, I'm saying they were never vaccinated, even as children. Right, correct. And they're healthy and...

So the thing is, the thing is not necessarily right. It doesn't assure health and happiness. It's just that I never actually was too thrilled about those vaccines. And now, like you said, there's so much information about why it's a really bad idea, in particular, the new varieties that they are developing.

I just think we need to really take it slow and use critical thinking and not be so trusting with the pharmaceutical industry.

That's true. Well, it can be helpful at some times. Right. No, of course, not throw it out. Like you said, don't throw it out, but don't be so trusting, especially when they want to provide something that they think is a prophylactic. What we have is a rich range of natural medicine and herbal medicine that we can use to support our body's ability to heal itself and protect itself.

Going back to pain, because I want to get into the immune. I know we're like easing into that immune topic and I want to talk about it, but I just want to make sure for anyone listening that's in pain, you've talked about bitter melon, you've talked about the green lip muscles, which is super interesting. I hadn't heard about them before. Or if I had, I forgot. You know what's funny? There are some of these things on TV that say, you know, it's going to get rid of all pain. And when you look into it, they're super expensive.

And then when you actually read the supplement facts box about what's in there, you know, they'll call it something like super pain away or whatever they call it. A lot of illegal names and facts. And then when you look it in there, oh, it's green, it's green muscle. And then you can get just that.

From a much more reputable source, much less expensive as well. So it's always good to read those supplement facts box to find out. And then there's so many things like Boswellia, which is a tree sap. That's one of the most effective natural remedies to bring down inflammation.

And how do people take that? So Boswellia is the same thing, you know, if you've ever heard of frankincense and myrrh, that's what it is. And what it is is a tree sap. So they ask how you gather it unless you have a Boswellia tree. You're not going to be gathering it by your house because how you do it is you actually slice the tree and then this white sticky exodate comes out and then that is scraped off and dried.

And that is like frankincense that was used, you know, thousands of years ago. And Boswellia contains high levels of gum resins. And they are really, really useful, have been used for Ayurvedic medicine, which is a wonderful system from India, specifically for arthritis. And it contains Boswellic acid, which is a very powerful anti-inflammatory and analgesic.

So that really brings down that whole experience of pain while it's healing, you know, the joints or whatever irritated area that you may have.

So that's another really, really good one. So how do they take it? Do they chew it or make a tea out of it? How do they take it? So Boswellia is widely available. And now they just ground that resin and they either make it into a liquid herbal extract or in a capsule. So it's a very, very easy thing to find. Got it.

And before we move on to the immune, because I'm excited to get there, is there anything else you want to make sure that you mention about taking these remedies for pain?

Well, one thing is it's really better to work with a holistic provider, which if you can find a naturopathic physician and be sure they actually went to a naturopathic college or someone else who you get good news about them, that they are very knowledgeable. Because if you're on already a lot of medication, particularly drugs, and you just start popping all these other pills, albeit that they're natural,

it's really not a good idea because these things can interact with each other as well. Right. So if someone's not on any medication and they're in pain or they had an injury or

They could try one or more of these things, but better to connect with a holistic practitioner that can help them navigate this. Yes, it's always better to do that because then you have somebody on your side who's knowledgeable. And whether you are on medication or not on medication, you don't have to worry so much.

But truthfully, natural remedies, although they're not free of side effects, have a much lower incidence. For instance, pharmaceutical drugs used as indicated, and this is right from the New England Journal of Medicine, is the fourth leading cause of death. I mean, of death in the United States. That's pharmaceutical drugs used as indicated. Right.

You know, and really, I mean, it's worth saying again that that the doctor tells you how to use it. You use it. And it's the fourth leading cause of death in the United States. And I'm sure around the world has similar has similar results because many countries follow follow the quote unquote modern medical system that the United States started. It is.

is not off script. It is not off label. And I've seen doctors regularly prescribe off label. I had a neighbor once with, this was years ago, she, young woman had lupus and her doctor was giving her chemotherapy, off script chemotherapy to try to get her lupus under control. And I just wept for her. I mean, she was 21 years old. Methyl trexate is used that way quite a bit. Yes. And it has this huge litany of side effects. It's amazing. It's worse than the disease that it's treating.

Right. But but that's just that's we're not even talking about off script. How many times doctors use off script? We're talking about as prescribed. And these are drugs that are approved and every drug that's been taken off the market for killing too many people, including my mom.

was once approved. So we have to remember that all drugs that have just been horrific at hurting people were all approved, you know, and then they eventually get taken off. Anyone can just get, if they have it at their house while they're listening to our podcast today, they just go, if they have Tylenol, I mean, or any other over-the-counter non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug,

On the label now, there's a horrendous black label warning about liver damage and dropping dead from taking it once. You know, I mean, this is on the labels. That's how bad it is. So it's not something to play with. So I've just I love that you're pointing this out because it's so important to recognize because we really I feel like as adults, we have a very childlike, almost like nursery rhyme thing.

relationship with the medical system. It's like, oh, it's the big, it's the big protector that when I get sick, it's like having parents when we're kids, like, I'm just going to go to them and they're going to make me all better. And they're just going to give me the right drug. Oh, I'm having infection. I just need to get some antibiotics and I'm going to be good. And yes, the medical system, the emergency medicine, drug-based medicine has its place.

But to trust it blindly is where we really lose our health, is where we really go downhill. And so to recognize that it is the fourth leading cause of death when it's used appropriately. I just want to read this. Anybody can look it up. You know, I'm looking it up right now. Black label warning. This is for any kind of NSAID, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory.

causes an increased risk of serious gastrointestinal adverse events, including bleeding, ulceration, and perforation of the stomach or intestines, which can be fatal. These events can occur at any time during use and without warning symptoms. This is from the NIH.

told you the NIH is doing quite a bit. So, you know, hey, do we really want to pop those or do we want to take some Boswellia, which is super safe that we just spoke about, or white willow bark is another one that you actually can get yourself, which is a great

pain medicine, or making a ginger tea and then also using it as a ginger compress. These are all things we talk about both in our book, Arthritis, and in our book, Supplements for Pain, and how to use them and how to use them safely. Because, you know, not that you may be one and never use drugs, maybe you want to as a last ditch, not as a first choice. Exactly. Exactly.

I love that. I love that. And thank you for pointing that out, that just like you right before you went into that library and took the catalog card and started looking through it. And right before you had that big revelation, like, why didn't the doctors tell me about these remedies? Why didn't they even know that this world existed? It's like you're pulling back the curtain.

And I think about that moment in The Wizard of Oz when it goes from gray to color, when it goes from black and white to color. It's this whole world that we don't know about because we're never taught. It's not taught in mainstream. It's not taught in, you know, movies, TV shows. It is always about drug-based medicine and movies and TV shows. And not to get super into, like, conspiracy, which I will. Yeah.

The pharmaceutical industry funds Hollywood, funds all the media you consume, unless it's independent media like this podcast. So you have been the what you've read, what you've seen on TV, what you've seen in newspapers, your entire life has been shaped by this giant PR campaign. And it is like it is Orwellian. It is like Big Brother.

And there's this whole world. And luckily, luckily we don't live in a, in a country where it's banned and it's, it's hidden from us, but that's,

I feel like we're constantly fighting for our right to continue keeping this information available. There's this whole world you're pulling back the curtain and showing that we could have in our medicine cabinet these herbs and tinctures. And if you have a headache or you have, you know, a bruise, a bump, an injury, that you could reach into the medicine cabinet and find your natural remedies and support your body's ability to come back into balance.

And then reserve those over-the-counter pharmaceuticals for your last ditch, you know, like I'm sick of being in pain and this isn't working. But so many times I've seen that these natural remedies work so well and then you don't have the very scary side effects of sudden death. Yeah, how about that? It's true. Yeah.

Let's get into the immune. I'm very, very excited. You know, I hate to feed into the propaganda, but we're coming into flu season as they call it. But I just want to point out that people get the flu all year round. This isn't like just because we're indoors a bit more and have less sunlight. That doesn't mean you have to get sick for sure. But please don't buy into the...

mass hypnosis that you will get sick. So don't, I'm just, I'm using the term flu season, but I'm not, I'm not buying into it. I believe that we can all be healthy and have, uh, and, and maintain our health all year, all winter long. But I'd love for you to share, what can we do first preventively? Like, you know, what, what herbs should, would we want to take starting now and all through the winter, uh,

And what are the most important things to do to prevent, to keep the immune system very healthy? Right. Keep ourselves healthy.

I actually believe that everyone should create for their home, and I have a book by this name. The name of the book is The Natural Medicine Chest. Yes. And I actually think everyone should have in their home a natural medicine chest already set up because many of the remedies we're about to discuss in terms of offsetting things like colds and flus are

You have to use them at first sign. So it's not like you, you know, if any of us have ever experienced that little sore throat at night and you go to bed and when you wake up in the morning, now you're coughing and sneezing, right? When you had that first little tickle, that's when you have to start this stuff.

By the time you get up the next day and get in the car and drive to the health food store or the store is closed or you're going to have to ship it from Amazon, it's not going to get -- I guess they're pretty fast by Amazon. It might get there the next minute is what I find. But nonetheless, you're better off having this in your house. That's when it works best at very first sight. So we will talk about some of those things that people should have in their natural medicine chest.

And this was actually the protocol I put together during that very challenging time and thousands of people used it and actually had basically no problems at all, which is great. So the first thing is a very easy remedy to have around and that's vitamin C. And vitamin C, as you know, is super easy to get.

I would actually recommend that people get powdered vitamin C because then it has no additives. It doesn't have the capsuling agents. It's just pure vitamin C. And there are vitamin Cs around that you can get that are sourced from natural things such as rose hips. In fact, you can make your own vitamin C by collecting rose hips. Rose hips are the fruit that's on roses.

And after the flower falls off, then there's like a round ball there. That's the rosehip. So you collect the rosehips, let them dry completely till they're really dry. And then you can just pound them with a mortar and pestle. All herbalists have to have a mortar and pestle and use that powder.

and just mix it into a little water or any other kind of drink. But you also, of course, can very easily just buy vitamin C. That's usually going to be ascorbic acid. Ascorbic acid is usually sourced from corn. It might be GMO corn or it might be non-GMO corn. Some of the brands will list that it's non-GMO, which would be a better choice.

Nonetheless, vitamin C. Now, taking about 500 milligrams of vitamin C daily is a great idea. But when you think that you're starting to come down with something, you can take up to 10,000 milligrams a day. In fact, you can check yourself how high you have to go by seeing when you get to bowel tolerance. And bowel tolerance means you've taken so much vitamin C that you're starting to have loose stools.

then you back off a little bit. And that's not something you do ongoingly all the time. That's only for when you feel you're being challenged. But again, you need to have it around. So that's one of the best remedies to have around all the time, vitamin C. It's a great place to start. Now, another remedy that I would never be without is sometimes called elderberry syrup.

But it's from a particular plant. The genus and species of the plant is Sambucus nigra, which is black elderberry. And that grows in many areas. If it grows by you, you should actually collect it. But you have to collect it when the berries are there.

because if you go to collect it in the middle of the winter and there's no more berries there, you're out of luck. And so that's not the time to get it. But it's so widely available now. So many brands. I definitely have my favorite brands. I don't like to name favorite brands when, you know, we're on a non-commercial podcast. But if anybody wants to know, you can just...

email me through Natural Nurse, all one word, naturalnurse.com, and I'll tell you some of my favorite brands. But there are several excellent Sambucus on the market, and they're just called Sambucus Liquid. Sometimes they're called Sambucus Immune. They have various names. Something to determine which ones are best is read the supplement facts box because you can get Sambucus

which has tons of sugar in it. You can find Sambucus that has artificial sweeteners in it that I don't recommend. Or you can get Sambucus that is very thick and black with no negative additives and where you get a very high level of concentrated berry in every teaspoon. And so normally you don't take this every day. But at that first sign,

you take about a teaspoon of this thick black. It's actually delicious, so it's great to use for kids too. Every two hours or so. You don't have to wake up at night to take it, but for every couple hours, and then you can go to sleep. And if you wake up at night and your throat's sore, you take it again. And that can really stop you from ever getting sick, ever.

I love that. I love that. When we look at the supplement facts, sometimes it'll say like, you know, how many milligrams of it, like a concentration of the Sambucus. What would you say, 500? Or is there like a number we're kind of looking for? Well, it's really wide spread out over the commercially available products. So in general, when you need it, high is better because

Because you can't just get a few milligrams of this. This has to be concentrated into, you know, some of them have up to 12,000 milligrams per dose. Those are some of the better ones. And you see the difference because instead of being a watery liquid with preservatives and sugar in it, it will be a thick, black, herbal liquid. And that's what you actually want.

So also, as I mentioned, I'm very into herbs and we can get back to other really special herbs specifically for this. But I also want to recommend homeopathics. Yes.

Everyone should have this in their house, in their purse if they're a woman or a guy who carries a purse, in your glove compartment if you're a driver who goes places in your car. And this is called oxalococcinum. And oxalococcinum is one of the most important remedies to have on hand when you need it. It literally stops the development of any kind of flu-like infection in its tracks.

But the trick is you must take it at the very first sign. You can't wait, not three days later, and then you're coughing and sneezing and a runny nose. It's not that helpful at that time. But if you catch it right at the beginning, oxalococcinum, that's a homeopathic, not an herb. And super to have on hand. And it has become so popular. When it first came out, we were importing it into my clinic for

directly from Germany where it was being made. And now you can get it at Walgreens, CVS, you know, anywhere. It's not an odd thing to get. It's super easy to get, super inexpensive and super effective. No one should be without that.

I love that. And so they take it, they put, you know, some of the pellets under their tongue. We should never touch homeopathy. Just put it on your tongue away from food. You know, you can drink water, but a few minutes away from food and let it dissolve under your tongue. How many times would you want them to take it? Like, is it every 15 minutes? Is it every hour? Okay, so that particular thing with oxalococcinum.

If you purchase it or if you have it, you will see the directions for use printed on the box will say take a whole tube and it'll say something like every few hours, but you don't need to do that. All you have to do is it comes in little tubes. You can

unscrew the plastic top off the tube and just pour from the tube however many of those little teeny balls, which is what they are, tiny pellets, fit in the top. And then you dump that under your tongue. You pick up your tongue and you dump it in the well under your tongue and just let it dissolve.

And I would say you could do that every two or three hours until you forget to do it. Because after a while you go, "Oh, was I getting a cold or flu? Oh, I guess not."

Because it just goes away. And then, you know, I would not again say, oh, it's two hours and I have to wake myself up at two in the morning to take it again. No, just while you're up and then go to sleep. And then in the morning, if you're still having issues or if you do wake up in the middle of the night, you do it again. And in most cases, that's going to be the end. You won't get the cold or flu. That's how phenomenal oxalococcinum is. Mm-hmm.

I love it. I love homeopathy so much. It's, you know, obviously you want to talk to your own pediatrician, hopefully a holistic,

My son only sees naturopathic pediatricians unless, you know, he's in an emergency situation going to, you know, children's hospital. Other than that, he's only seeing naturopaths. And we've used homeopathy since he was an infant, since he was a baby. And that's what I love. There's no placebo effect there because I have a colic baby crying from gas pain. And I put something, a little homeopathy under his tongue, and he just smiles and

Homeopathy is definitely one of the best interventions and it works very well along with herbs and it is currently being massively attacked by the FDA and FTC. So if you think that you might like to learn about homeopathy in the future, I suggest you purchase, I'm not selling them, I'm just saying find one, buy a homeopathic first aid kit today because they're really aggressively making it

not available anymore. Why? Why not? Because they're saying if you take apart a homeopathic remedy, and it says it's, let's say, from chamomile flowers, which might have been the original mother tincture, and if they take apart the homeopathy, there's no chamomile in that pill. That's right, because that's the definition of homeopathy. It's not substance. It's beyond substance. It's within the realm of energy medicine. And it's just being not

allowed and it is so inexpensive, so super effective and excellent for children. I don't know that I could have raised my kids who are getting like in the 50 year old age now without homeopathics. It's really great and not only that, children take them more easily because it's little teeny sweet sugar pills.

Rather than herbs, sometimes it's hard to get them down. I'm thinking of my kids running under the table when I was trying to give them herbs. They wound up getting them anyway because my house was a benevolent dictatorship, not that the kids get their way. I got my way and they had to do what I wanted. And when they were teenagers, I put a sign on the refrigerator saying, move out now while you still know everything. But nonetheless, you know.

They managed to grow up somehow. I love that. And I just, I love that you mentioned homeopathy. It's not molecular medicine. It's energetic medicine. And that's, that is poo-pooed by the mainstream medical system. But now we can see, first of all, you can see that it works for, you know, you just see that homeopathy works. There's, there's around the world, so many, so many studies, but I've personally seen it in my own life where,

But what is so great is it is so gentle on the body. Like, talk about side effects. Very, very minimal, if any. There's something called proofing, which, you know, you can prove that that wasn't the right remedy. You might experience some discomfort temporarily. It's very rare. I actually have never seen it personally. Not with the dosing that you would get in a homeopathic first aid kit.

When you start to get into, and we're not gonna talk about what this means, but maybe you'll know. When you start going up into the 200 C range of things, and you're going after very deep genetic issues, then that's where those provings often come out. You don't have to worry about it. Just get simple homeopathics that are widely available. And of course, one amazing, amazing thing, how old is your son?

He's nine and a half now. So he might be the right age because if you're a soccer mom at all, you should never go to any sport without arnica cream because I can't tell you on the soccer field as not only my son, but all the kids would run over every time they twisted or bumped something in the head, black and blue, whatever.

You put Arnica cream on it and everybody's amazed to watch it disappear in front of your eyes. Yep. Yep. When I played softball and I got a softball to the eye and my chiropractor, I feel really fortunate that my mom was into natural medicine and I grew up seeing a chiropractor and a naturopathic doctor.

and my chiropractor had given me Arnica cream, and I put the Arnica cream, and I got a softball in the eye. It was a fly ball. I mean, I should have had the world's biggest black eye. I put Arnica cream on that, and you wouldn't have known that I got hit in the face with the softball. I know. It's amazing. It's so amazing. It's so amazing. I actually do have in my – it's attached to my purse as a little –

first aid kit and I have Arnica pellets in there and a few other homeopathies. And I definitely have the cream at home. My son runs up to me and gets the Arnica pellets if he ever, you know, bumps himself. It's just, it's so wonderful and so easy to use. And it's cheap and cheap too. So cheap. I know. Right. And it's so effective. And the thing with homeopathy is if you didn't get a result, like go to a practitioner, help get them to help you. Cause sometimes it,

It's it's it just takes a little bit of knowledge, just a little bit of of of diving in and learning. And then you really start to get results with it. I have I have a friend who has a family and three kids. None of them are vaccinated. She was never vaccinated. Her mother was never vaccinated. Her mother, who passed away a few years ago, very, very old, had a wonderful, healthy life, helped help bring homeopathy to Washington state.

And the entire family, that's the first thing they go to. And they just, they blow any time a little cold comes on, they just blow it right out. Take their homeopathy, blow it right out. Any bumps, bruises, take some homeopathy, just it brings the body back into balance. That comes back to frequency medicine. We have to acknowledge that we're not just physical matter. We're not just meat sacks, that we are more energy and that we are more vibration and more frequency than we are molecules and we are solid energy.

And the homeopathy works on that plane. So I think it's brilliant. I think it's more brilliant than the pharmaceutical industry, than those synthetic drugs. I think it's more brilliant. So do I. And it really should be just commonly available, commonly used. Every physician, which this is what the NIH is now saying, by the way, first line of intervention for every single patient should be food,

Exercise, some kind of relaxation technique to support healthy sleep, the use of botanical medicine first before any pharmaceuticals are prescribed. And that would make everybody feel so much better. And it would really bring down the cost of health care as well as much more positive outcomes for everyone. Mm-hmm.

Let's get into talking about, okay, so let's say someone didn't reach for their elderberry or their homeopathy and they feel like they've got a full-on flu. What do we do? Well, there's other things where we go with that. First of all,

Besides those, there's some very good herbs that actually are antibiotics. OK, yet it is illegal to say herbs are antibiotics. But isn't that wild? Yeah. Isn't that kind of gross? It is. It's such a that's why I say it's so Orwellian. It's such a manipulation. We've been using herbs for thousands of years that they're natural antimicrobial agents in them that they help us to kill bacteria.

bad bacteria in our body, but yet a synthetic man-made patented product can only be called a cure. That is true. And then it comes in another thing that I do a lot of besides teaching other

other practitioners how to incorporate natural remedies into their protocol is I work a lot with natural product companies because they are so regulated by the FDA and FTC about what they can say. And especially somebody might make their own herbal remedy and it works really well and they get excited. So they decided to offer it to others, let's say on Etsy. And before you know it, um,

The FDA and FTC are pounding on their door with a $3 million fine, taking their computer, all the herbs they made. I mean, they really wind up in terrible trouble. I suggest you do not do that. We might not agree with this overregulation, but you better believe it's there. And the thing is, you can say something like oil of oregano, echinacea and golden seal, like we're going to talk about now.

I can tell you right here on our podcast today that these actually kill microorganisms as well as increase the speed that our white blood cells move through our system, recognizing and gobbling up any kind of invading bacteria or viruses. I can tell you that in an educational way. I can write about it in my book. I can have it on my website because I do not sell it.

But as soon as you are selling it as a product, let's say Echinacea or Golden Seal or an Echinacea-Golden Seal combination, you have a nice little bottle of it. And there you say on your website that it's antimicrobial. That's when it becomes illegal.

To say it. Wild. Yeah. So if you're not selling anything, you have a lot more latitude in terms of sharing this information. And so that's one that's really good to have in your house that does what you just mentioned, actually kill microorganisms once you're already having something that's beyond those first, you know, that first ishy throat. So echinacea and golden seal is excellent. Another one is oil of oregano. Oil of oregano.

of oregano is a very strong antibiotic. Now as an herb company, people can't say that on their label. So they say supports immune function, even though it doesn't do one single thing for the immune system.

It kills microorganisms, but you cannot say that. So that's why so many things will say immune support on them because that's a fairy dance. We find that the FDA does not go after that immune support word. So they just slam dunk it on everything, even though that's not what it does.

I'd love to understand. So with oil of oregano, is it kind of a nuclear bomb that just kills indiscriminately all the bacteria inside us, wherever it touches? Yes. So our good bacteria is also harmed. That is right. But you can go ahead and then replenish with...

different kinds of microorganisms that are health, you know, more healthy, you certainly can do that. But yes, that's one that really does actually kill microorganisms, as does garlic, as a matter of fact. And garlic doesn't, you know, make a decision about whether this is good bacteria or bad bacteria. It kills all the bacteria.

So if you overdo it, while it's good to do heavy amounts while you have a cold or flu, you may also want to do something like probiotics or prebiotics. And a good way to do that, I think the best way to do that is sauerkraut. Yes. Live culture, though. Fermented live culture. Got to look on the label. Make sure there's no vinegar in there. That's not the real stuff. You want the real probiotic, just water and salt. So brine.

usually your refrigerated section. You can make your own. Yeah, making your own is pretty easy. So easy. They have these really good makers of it that you can get, again, anywhere. And they're just like a heavy, old-fashioned ceramic. And then there's a heavy weight that you put on top of your cabbage if you're making it out of cabbage. And it's really not a big deal to do that. And sauerkraut really, I think...

is really one of the best ways rather than buying all these very expensive dried probiotics and prebiotics. I mean, that might be okay too, but I think it's really preferable. Another thing I really love is BioStrath, which is an old-fashioned Saccharomyces cerevisiae. It's been on the market since 1962. And that really acts as a postbiotic as well as a prebiotic. So reestablishing that healthy microbe is...

is important, but that's not our first consideration when we're dealing with an immediate cold or fluke.

You know, that's going to be the... Right, the rebuilding. Yeah, so the rebuilding. But I think it's really important to talk about that there's a rebuilding. After you're sick, whether it's a little bug, a little head cold, or something greater, a virus or a bacteria, that there's a period of time where you're focusing on the acute issue. You're kind of throwing everything at it, right? Supporting the body, but also taking some natural, you know...

killers, right? It's like garlic and oregano, natural killers. And then we have to acknowledge that when you start to feel better, just when you start to feel better, you have to be like your mom telling yourself, no, you've got to still go to bed early.

Because how many times have, and I know everyone listening has had this, you start to feel better, you go back to your regular routine, and then it relapses, and you start to feel tired again. You're not done. Just because the acute symptoms have diminished does not mean this isn't, again, we're not in the Jetsons. You didn't just take a pill and all of a sudden you're better again. So there's that rebuilding phase. So actually, I feel like it's three phases. It's the acute, and then it's the, okay, you feel better, but actually you're still better.

Your body's still fighting it. You might not have these massive acute symptoms. Your body's still fighting it. So give yourself a few more days of grace. Like just give yourself permission to be more restful. Maybe go for gentle walks or something, but rest. Don't eat sugar. Don't eat dairy. Eat whole foods. Nourish your body. Another one that we haven't mentioned, which is really helpful to have in the house, is colloidal silver.

Yeah. And colloidal silver is strongly antimicrobial. And it's not something you really want to take lots of every day, like some of them recommend. No. But have it in the house because it really is a very effective antimicrobial. And then, like you said, food is so important. In my protocol that I gave so many people, homemade soup.

is really important. And if you're vegan, you can just make a vegetarian soup. If you're not, you can use organic chicken in the soup, which of course has actually been studied, scientifically studied, to reduce the length of colds and flus.

You can limit solid foods, especially dairy and wheat. In fact, it's a good idea to not eat much of that ever, as a matter of fact. The less you eat of it, the less aggressive the infections are to begin with. And then always have lemon around because you squeeze about a half a lemon into a cup. And then you can add garlic to that as well. Just crush some garlic in it and a pinch of cayenne pepper and honey to taste.

And you have about a cup of that every two to three hours. And it gets rid of that entire infection super fast. You can feel your sinuses opening up and your throat not being as sore. So there's a lot that we can do with self-care and these natural remedies that really make a huge difference, much better than anything they have pharmaceutically. My mom would make me, she wasn't much of a cook, but whenever I had a sore throat, she

She would boil water with fresh ginger, you know, like crush the fresh ginger, chop it up, put it in there and boil it. Boil the ginger for a while. Put in a few sprinkles of cayenne. And I mean, I was a kid, so it's like I couldn't take that much cayenne, but she puts them in.

And then she'd turn the heat off and then she'd squeeze lemon in there and stir some honey in. And I would drink that all day and it would just blow that sore throat right out. I just loved it. And then more recently in the last few years, I think the last 10 years, more recently, the last 10 years, I was turned on to thyme. And I like getting fresh thyme from the grocery store, but I take a whole handful of fresh thyme and take hot water, have it boil, but then take it off the stove,

put it like four cups of water, put it in and leave the lid on for 10 minutes. And then just drink that with a little bit of honey when you're congested, because it, it will just like, no matter how congested you are, I can't believe it. Just all of a sudden you are draining. It's,

It's amazing. But don't my one thing I learned the hard way. Don't do it too late at night because it would cause me to cough because it was draining so well. But I'm lying down because I'm sleeping. So that's right. Do it during the day, but not not late at night. But it's amazing. It was better than I mean, I really do not do over the counter drugs, but I have in the long time ago in the past. And it worked for me better than any other.

you know, over-the-counter pharmaceutical, you know, decongestant. It works faster. - Right, well, there's a difference, like you said, Ashley. Sometimes when we're dealing with coughs, we need to know, even in terms of herbs, which we teach in our course, the Natural Nurse Herbal Certification Course,

Is this a decongestant or is it an expectorant or is it a cough suppressant? And even herbs have different actions along those lines. And sometimes you take something that you know is natural and has something to do with coughs

And when you take it, it's actually an expectorant, something like whorehound. That's going to make you cough more because you're coughing up that congested, solidifying mucus, which is great, but maybe not overnight when you're trying to sleep. So you're so right about that.

So you want like a, is at night, what would you want? You want to help sleep, but you want to kind of kind of almost like dry out a bit. Is there something to. Yeah, you want to, you want to take something that's not going to be an expectorant. You want to take something that's going to be like a relaxant, even chamomile or some herb that relaxes all the muscles. So you don't cough as much overnight.

I'm thinking magnesium. Well, magnesium is a great, a very, very good relaxant, even when people have muscle cramps or, you know, almost everybody could use some magnesium. And of those, I really prefer magnesium glycinate if you're going to take a form of magnesium as a supplement. You mentioned, so the echinacea and golden seal, uh,

Do you like that better in a tincture, in pill form, dry form, tea form? My favorite kind is in liquid extract, which is very different from a tincture. And the only people who would know that difference are herbalists because the word tincture has to do with extracting out using alcohol as what's called alcohol.

the menstruum, which is the soaking agent that you put the herbs in, that will make a tincture. A tincture will usually give you a certain milligram amount per dropper full if it is one of those little liquid bottles. But if you get an extract, a liquid herbal extract, that means every dropper full has 1,000 milligrams of concentrated herb. So I would prefer a liquid extract in terms of echinacea and goldenseal.

Wonderful. And how often would they take that thousand milligram dropper? If you're well, not at all. It's not something that you want to do daily. If you start to come down with something, you can take that much, maybe three, four times a day. And if you're already in the midst of it, a dropper full an hour ongoing all day. But you don't wake up and do it again just while you're up. Got it. Love it.

Any side of sort of like overdose or negative effects? Like if you take too much, you get diarrhea, that kind of thing. That's the main of most of these specific things that we're talking about today in terms of using it for an acute cold or flu.

Yes, if you overdo it, a common effect of that, which we'll call an unwanted effect, would be loose stools. On the other hand, sometimes that's exactly what you want because you get rid of the infection more quickly. And you can determine, well, I don't want to go like that much, you know. And then all you have to do is back off and that reaction will be gone. Got it. So don't be afraid of it. If you get loose stools, just don't.

Tone it down a bit. Exactly. And then you definitely do decrease the amount as you're getting better. And then there'll be a certain day you kind of forget to take it. And that's when you're done. I love it. I love it. And we we talked about oil of oregano, but we didn't really talk about how much that it is that nuclear bomb that we should when we're done taking it and we're in that recovery phase of building back.

Take my my thing is no matter how long you were sick, take a few weeks, even though you feel good, take a few weeks after you've recovered to just be more gentle with yourself and rebuild. So eat that prebiotic, wonderful prebiotic foods, eat some probiotic rich foods.

live culture fermented foods. It doesn't have to be a lot, just like a spoonful with each meal. It doesn't have to be a huge amount. I know some people don't like the taste of sauerkraut. It's okay. There's other foods you can ferment also. But the variety, the better the variety, there's more. I've been told that there's more culture, there's more probiotic culture on one spoonful of sauerkraut than there is in a whole $50 bottle of sauerkraut.

Yeah, not just more, but much more bioavailable. It's so far better than taking any one pill. So good. Yeah, so good. I interviewed an amazing man a few years ago who has had HIV since I think the 80s. And he says that because he eats fermented food every day, because his gut is so rich and so diverse in microbiome, he knows his immune system better.

is so much better off than all his other friends who unfortunately have passed away from it. And he just, he says it's, when we support ourselves with this food, we're supporting our immune system as well. And I love that. We can see it. We can clearly see it in his health and in others. How do we take the oil of oregano? So oil of oregano, you have to get

a really good brand. So again, then you're not going to be just getting oregano and distilling it yourself, unless you are. That's another whole distillation process. But most people will be purchasing already available oil of oregano, and they vary greatly in terms of quality. So that's another one if you want to give me a call or text me or email me through naturalnurse.com, I'll give you some really good brands. But it's usually a little teeny bottle with a dropper

And it's often a liquid. Much better to take that as a liquid than a capsule or a tablet. And then you just turn the bottle upside down and let like two drops fall out onto your tongue. And I would say around every two hours when you're ill, not all the time, because this is something that's aggressive against good probiotic type bacteria as well as negative. But it's a really good thing to use for that cold or flu season.

Love it. And is there anything else that is really important that we are aware of? I think if we did all of this, we'd be really good. Everything you just mentioned...

I think reset. But is there anything else that you want to make sure we know about? Wonderful Chinese herb that I have found amazingly reverse any of these things, especially if used early on. And that's a Chinese medicine called Ganmaoling. And it's G-A-N-M-A-L-I-N-G.

M-A-O-L-I-N-G. And it is an herbal and it is a mixture of several different Chinese herbs, including isatus, which is strongly antimicrobial as well as supporting to the immune system. So I would say those are a very, very good thing to use. And is this like a compressed herb? Yeah.

pill? Yes. And they have it in Chinatown. You can get them with no coating. Sometimes they have a coating, but they often don't. It would just be like a black combination of herbs. And that really works amazingly well if you catch it at the beginning.

How much and how often will we take it? So usually those come in little pellets or tablets. So you actually take five per dose for an adult and you would take five every two hours or so. Again, you don't wake up at night and do it until, you know, basically the symptoms go away. Now, if you're already in the raging state, that's not too helpful a remedy.

Got it. Got it. So yeah, a lot of this is catch it early and I love that. You had mentioned colloidal silver. I interviewed Dr. Keith Moeller, who's a naturopath that talks about nanosilver and the difference between colloidal silver and nanosilver, which is really interesting. A good interview to go back on. There's over 400 studies on nanosilver and supporting immune function and also just like how wonderful it is at killing even MRSA. They have great results with it.

So I love that. And then you'd mentioned vitamin C powder. What do you think about acerola cherry powder? Great. Good choice. But you have to check the brand because some people might have acerola cherry powder, but then they're adding in maltodextrin and all these other additives that you may not want. But that is a good choice. Like I said, if you make it yourself, because acerola cherries, we can gather them here in Florida. And they remind me a lot of rose hips, which are also very high in vitamin C.

Nice. Love it. So, and a lot of this is safe for children. Is there any warnings or what wouldn't we do for kids? Well, oil of oregano is a little rough. I wouldn't necessarily drop oil of oregano into a child's mouth. I mean, in fact, a lot of people, even an adult, once you're, when you're going to try good quality concentrated oil of oregano, I would just use

one drop and put it in water first. It's pretty intense. Yeah, it's very intense. It does kill microorganisms, but I have seen more than one person have to be hospitalized because they had a sensitivity or an allergic reaction to it in which their entire mouth blew up. Very serious. So it's not something to play with and I would not use that for children.

Right. But you know what? The elderberry, usually that's like all I have to pull out for my son. Like that thick, the thick elderberry, not the gummies, not the little candies that they call, you know, the little like the things you suck on. Why am I forgetting the word for that? Yeah, gummies. Yeah, lozenges. Thank you. Not those. Give them the syrup. Just go straight for the good stuff. Yes, it's expensive, but you know, it's good.

That's just, you want to get the good stuff. And usually shoving that in my kid's mouth a few times a day when he's first starting to have flu symptoms, that's usually what kills it, what brings us right back. Well, we know why. Again, that mechanism of action. What elderberry does is it is not an antibiotic like is oil of oregano and some of the other things we discussed like goldenseal.

How elderberry works is it interferes with virus having a mechanism of reproduction. Because why you feel a little not so okay first, and by the next morning if you don't do none of these things we talked about, the next day you're all swollen in your throat, is because overnight, in particular viruses, reproduce.

A lot. So now there's millions of them instead of a little of them. But it's amazing. The research has shown that elderberry specifically interferes with viral duplication. And that's how it works.

I love that. I think that's how zinc works also. They talk about increasing zinc. It does something. It interferes with the virus in some way, whether it's getting into the cell, a replication. I can't remember which one. Zinc is amazing. And there's actually been so many studies on it now that you actually can claim that zinc is antiviral, which is amazing. But it has been so well documented.

I love that. But, you know, this is this is my frustration. The doctor, the doctor, as in the the lie we've been told. Right. Not not your doctor specifically, but the lie we've been told is like, wait to get sick and then come come get come get a drug. Right. Or, you know, let's give you a shot of a bunch of chemicals and that's going to you know, that's going to.

Train your immune system to be healthy. And both are – take away your power. And both train you to believe that your body cannot heal itself. You cannot trust your body. It's like almost anti-God. God gave us the ability to heal and he gave us everything on this planet to support our body's ability to heal itself. I'm not saying never go to drug-based medicine, but –

about what you can do. And then you won't, you will almost never, if not never need that type of medicine, the drug-based medicine, because you'll have everything you need in, or almost all the time, everything you need in this natural world, which is so much more diverse and supportive. So true. I'm on my soapbox. I just get, I can't.

I get excited because that's what I suffered for so many years. I was sick for so many years. I was on constant antibiotics for so many years. And it was food. And then it was natural medicine.

that got my health back and that's why I do the podcast because I suffered for so long and I reversed all these health issues and I want to help those who are suffering needlessly to know that this information is out there. And also I'm really excited about your courses. I think my listeners will be as well. I'm very interested in taking your herbal medicine course. I've just been self-taught for the most part and I like to pick people's brains as you can tell.

But I just think that this is something we all should dedicate time and energy to learning, especially moms, because we kind of we're the head of the household, especially when it comes to everyone's health. I was just reminded this week, I'm, you know,

as a wife, I am kind of in charge of my husband's health, right? I know I cook, I cook healthy for him, but I like, I also kind of have to check in on him like, like a mom does a child. And that's what we do. We have to, we have to take care of each other. And so it's good for us to know, to know this information. Let's, do you have anything else you want to say about immune before we go to the next topic? So these are, I have other than I have no more time today. Oh, okay. Well, we can wrap it up then. That's no problem.

I would love to have you back on the show. Absolutely. I would love to dive in deeper. And thank you so much for spending all the time you did with us. I know we had some Internet issues that we had to overcome, which which cut into our time, unfortunately. But we did.

go through some great information. And some of these things you talked about are those that we take temporarily just while we're sick. And then there's certain things we could take all the time. Like you said, you could take vitamin C. You could drink acerola cherry powder every day, like 500 milligrams every day just for overall health.

To wrap up today's interview, is there anything you would like us to know about what is good for us to look into for general overall everyday health? What are some things that are just really important to have kicking around that we use every day? Yeah, I would say a very simple thing is, first of all, eat whole food. For instance, in my refrigerator, there's nothing with a label on it.

So what's there? Food, not packaged food, not processed food, not ultra processed food, none of that. Cut down on wheat. Almost everybody, if they eliminate wheat, except maybe once a week as a little treat or even not at all,

will feel better because it reduces inflammation. Remember, we started our conversation with pain. Pain is usually due to some kind of inflammatory process. So that would be a really good place to start, as well as looking at your spiritual life.

How are you connected to joy? You know, what supports your overall healthy brain and in a way that just makes you happy and do more of that, even if you have to not do some of the other things that you think you have to do. So those would be good places to start.

I love it. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. I would absolutely love to have you back. Thank you for inviting me, Ashley. The best place for people to find me is just naturalnurse.com.

Wonderful. And I'm very excited. I'm definitely going to dive in and check out your courses because I am always looking to learn more as my listeners are as well. And I'd love to have you back on the show. This has been wonderful. Thank you. Have a great rest of the day. I hope you enjoyed today's interview.

It was just so mind blowing. I absolutely love Dr. Kamai and we're going to have her back on the show for part two. In this episode, we got to talk about pain. We got to talk about, you know, helping the body to repair from injury.

and of course, cold and flu. The next time we have her on, we're going to dive into helping the body to get out of fight or flight and to go deeper in healing mode through stimulating the HPA access and the vagal nerve and

And all the things that I don't even know because we haven't done the interview yet, but we're going to go, we're going to dive down those rabbit holes and see where we land. And I know I definitely want to talk to her more about her courses that she teaches. And I'm so excited for her upcoming course. Definitely check it out.

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