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Beyond The Smile: Exploring The Future of Holistic Dental Care With The Founders Of Smilebody

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Shawn Javid: 作为一名牙医,我过去只关注修复牙齿问题,但后来我意识到,口腔中的材料和感染会对全身健康产生重大影响。传统牙科往往将口腔与身体分离,只关注功能和无痛,而忽略了潜在的全身性问题。生物牙科则不同,我们使用生物相容性材料,并小心移除旧材料,以避免患者暴露于有害物质中。我们认为口腔是身体的门户,口腔健康与全身健康息息相关。我希望通过生物牙科,帮助患者实现真正的整体健康。

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Biological dentistry is a holistic approach to oral healthcare that considers the body as one interconnected unit. Unlike conventional dentistry, which focuses solely on oral functionality, biological dentistry takes into account the systemic effects of materials used in the mouth, utilizing biocompatible materials to minimize potential health risks. It addresses hidden infections and considers the impact of materials on overall health.
  • Focuses on systemic effects of dental materials
  • Utilizes biocompatible materials
  • Considers the interconnectedness of oral and overall health

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Hello, this is Richard Jacobs with the Finding Genius podcast. My guest today is Dr. Sean Javid. He is the son of the co-founders of Smile Body. They are revolutionizing oral health care through what they call biological dentistry. Don't worry, we'll define the term very soon. So welcome, Sean. Thanks for coming. I appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. And it's a Friday afternoon, so that's great. Oh, good. So we're getting him in his most relaxed. Yeah.

All right. So first question, what is, you know, I know regular dentistry, orthodontists, endodontists, this and that, but what is biological dentistry? Great question. You know, just a little background. I've been a dentist in Los Angeles for 30 years. And so the first 50 years, you know, I was just a pathologist. I did thousands of root canals, did a lot of cosmetic dentistry for years. And now I've

took a lot of residencies, to be the best I can be because I love dentistry a lot. And about 15 years ago, I ran into a biological dentistry conference and I realized, oh my God, I'm actually hurting my patients medically, which kind of blew my mind, which basically in a nutshell, we're going to get more into it. But dentistry just looks at patients in a way that they want to get you functional so you can eat without pain. They don't look at

materials that are going to the mouth that cause systemic problems and medical issues to patients.

almost like your head is cut off from the rest of the body. You can, you're like, you know, just go in like a tabletop, fix it. And the patient, as long as they're not having pain, you're fine. But surely that's not true. So what happens, metals, we're going to talk about, there's a lot of hidden infection, a lot of root canals that are infected, that are not noticed in the jaw, sinus infections. We're going to, all this stuff is encompassing of animalism.

And what kind of materials, like I said, that goes into the mouth that cause systemic issues. So that's biological dentistry. We use biocompatible materials to make sure that what's going in and how we take things out carefully not to expose the patient.

That's what it is in my show. Yeah, like I have an old filling that's, let's see. Actually, she's 35 years old. I only have one cavity, supposedly, when I was like 14. So it's been 35 years and I have like a mercury filling. And I thought, you know, I don't know. I don't think it's leaching after all this time. But, you know, then again, I've heard maybe not. So, I mean, something like that is certainly not co-biological. It's anti-biological. Yeah.

What's your position on like fillings, mercury fillings? That's a great question. Thank you for saying it for what it is. This really is mercury fillings. So unfortunately, when we were kids and we're younger, they would call us silver fillings. There's no silver in it. So it's actually 54% mercury, right?

So, you know, today's world, everyone's trying to, you know, not to have this fish and not to have this and all that. And when people have mercury fillings in their mouth, what they don't realize is that all kinds of metals are bad, but mercury is a different animal of its own. Mercury fillings are releasing mercury vapes in the mouth all the time when you're eating hot, cold. So little bottles of mercury is always coming, right? Yeah.

Right. Because what it does is as you're chewing on it, you can go to our holistic academy. They have a video showing the mercury base as you're eating on it because layers and layers are coming off and vapes are coming through, right? Micro layers. And what happens is that there's something called EMS, right? And I just remember I didn't speak with you. Are you familiar with that?

Yeah, I like magnetic wind. Yeah, right? So a lot of people don't realize, they just think about, they know about the fact that you're not supposed to sleep next to your phone because it's harmful. They don't realize that EMFs are everywhere. And when you pick up your phone, when you have metals in your mouth, which is mercury, metal crowns, you know, metal substructure or metal implants, this signal from the tower actually goes to the metal in the face first because it acts as an antenna. That's how strong it is. And

and then it bounces up to the full, okay? So if we have any metals as far as metal implants, metal crowns, gold, and anything like that, it's disrupting the electricity up to a great dramatic level every time that signal comes in, okay? Yeah, people don't realize that. It's a huge antenna in the face, right? The body is not really meant to have metal inside the body biologically, but mercury, like I said, it's a different animal. So when that EMF comes in and hits the mercury,

the mercury filling, double amount of mercury vapes come off because that electricity that hits it. Okay. And when you go to a dentist, like I did, and, you know, I had my own journey of thickness from mercury filling is what you did to just tell us in dentists, you just drill on it, take it out. And if somebody wants to change it, just like a tooth. And that's what dentists do. And that's why there's a lot of dentists that have, you know, illnesses that they don't really realize that, you know, you drill on it, you know,

And now 3,000 microns per minute of mercury comes off, and it's odorless, tasteless. If it touches the skin and hair, it gets absorbed into the body dramatically, right? Heavy metal toxicity from mercury, which goes, it resides in the thyroid, it resides in the pituitary gland. And then when it gets into the blood, the way your body reacts and wants to clean up the blood, it pulls it into the organ.

So there's a lot of organ dysfunction because of mercury and heavy metals, which everybody knows heavy metals are not good for you. And so, yeah, that's a big problem. You know, I mean, the thyroid cancer seven years ago and the lymph nodes affected were on the same side as my filling. I wonder if there's a corroboration there. Well, I would.

A lot of things cause that. It is great that you brought that up because, like I said, in biological dentistry, we use a tool called a cone beam CT scan. Have you heard of that before? What kind of CT scan? It's called a cone beam CT scan, which is a specific CT scan that's just for the face, for the oral cavity, right? And because when you use two-dimensional x-rays, like, you know, when you go to a dentist and just take some small x-rays, that's just really for cavities, right?

you can't really see any infections. So a cold beam CT scan is a machine that you go in there and it kind of scans your whole head. And on that CT scan, which is a three-dimensional scan, we can see a lot of things what's going on in the jaw, right? We can look at, you know, root canals are infected and are leaking that are hidden, which caused a lot of systemic problems. We can look at like what's going on underneath the fillings. We can see in the jawbone.

If there's any defects, they're called complications that are leaking bacteria, sinus infections. So, yeah, there's a lot of hidden infections that cause oral systemic problems, cancers, other immune issues. So think about it. The mouth is a gateway to the body, right? Also, too, the blood supply is, I mean, like, you know, with teeth, you know, you brush your teeth, your gums may bleed.

etc. So not only is your mouth a gateway, but the gums, if you bleed at all, I would think that's an instant gateway into your bloodstream too. Yes, of course.

Well, that's already even conventional dentistry. Now they've kind of linked that together. If you have gum disease, the same anaerobic bacteria that's in the gums is the same anaerobic bacteria they find in the heart. So it's very interconnected. Gum disease and heart disease is very interconnected in conventional dentistry. So that's something that we all agree on. So 100% you're right about that. So if you have gum disease, that will lead to heart disease.

Okay. So the oral microbiome has to be very balanced and healthy to be able to have a good gut microbiome, which is the brain. Right. So if you have bad bacteria in the mouth, it will lead to the stomach. And you're going to have bad microbiome in the gut, which causes autoimmune issues, a lot of systemic. So, yeah, you're right. These are valid points. These are all issues that you have to kind of look at and see where it's coming from.

All right. So we talked about this kind of filling work. So I don't think they do mercury fillings anymore. They do more. I don't even know what they put in them, but what like today's dentistry, what are the, Oh, they do.

American Dental Association, our country is still very behind. Think of it this way. Russia banned mercury fillings in 1972 because it was too toxic. And in the United States, they still allow it. I mean, they have to have an informed consent that it's toxic, adds mercury and all that, but they still allow people to put them in, which is shocking. But yeah, I mean, I've never used it since I've been practicing 30 years, but

We have so many better materials, biocompatible materials like porcelain or zirconia that we use. At SmileBody, you know, we created a wellness center basically here that we have biological dentistry with encompasses. You know, we have about eight doctors that are in the center. And then with functional medicine doctors, our holistic medical doctors are here with the IV center and, you know, hyperbaric oxygen chambers and red light therapy. So we're putting everybody through the healing modality, starting with the mouth,

And then if that medical issues, a lot of brain fog, gut issues, you know, the thing is, it's just one body. The way that you're treating it right now is, you know, like I said, your head's cut off from your body. They're not interconnected. So that's why we create a small body. And now this encompasses a space that people fly in, like I said, nationally from all of the country right now. Like I was just mentioning, someone was here from Texas.

And we just put them through the healing modality. We look at the oral cavity first, make sure there's no hidden infections, no mercury, no metals. There's something called cavitations where your wisdom teeth were taken out and it becomes a hole in the jaw that people do a null vibe that harvests parasites and bacteria in there and causes all those problems. So we look at all these things.

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So, all right. So when a patient comes in, do you do regular cleanings and stuff or are they only coming to you because they have like serious dental problems that no one else is addressing? No, no, no. Here, so...

This is a center. It's about 7,000 square feet that we created a small body. So we have all providers here. So we have six dental hygienists in the practice that are going through all the way you talked about, looking at the gum health, looking at the bone health. We look at sleep apnea. Both Glenn and I are sleep apnea specialists. So this is a hidden, silent killer that nobody looks at. We look at airway. We have machines from Harvard that we look at the back of the throat and we kind of tell it's

you know, and our doctors, our medical doctors in the office can do sleep studies and if the patient is suffering from sleep apnea. So these are all airway issues and oral issues, right? And then from there, if they have cavities, obviously we have biological general dentists that are doing tape removal of mercury because mercury, like I said, when you drill on it, it causes a lot of issues. So per day catably,

there's a certain way, like for instance, if you wanted to go take out your mercury filling, if they drill on it right now, you got to be exposed to a lot of mercury and we have to do reports actually. So you kind of take a look at blood work and different kinds of stuff and see how much mercury they have in the body or heavy metals. So the safe protocol is that we put you in a room and it's called the smart technique. The patient is covered,

with a plastic material all over their bodies to make sure there's no skin exposure, no hair exposure, their oxygen is placed in your nose so you're not getting exposed to mercury. And there's big vacuums next to your face. So when you're drilling on it, you know, the mercury dives full into the vacuum and not sit on it. Because like I mentioned, when it sits on your skin or hair, it gets absorbed into the body, right? Right. So... So let's be specific. What...

What's a typical patient you get in? Do you deal with like a lot of diabetic? Do you deal with a lot of people that have apnea? Like, you know, from an 80-20 perspective, what is like the biggest few problems that you deal with that go beyond just normal dentistry? You know, that's a great question. I mean, my degrees in dentistry, like to be honest with you now, because we're looking at the total body health because it's one unit. Yeah.

Most of our patients, like I said, they're flying it from out of state. And what happens is the doctors are referring them over, the functional medicine doctors. Or we're doing telecalls on the computer to look at their CT scans and see if we see any kind of, you know, infections in their jaw or, you know, mercury fillings or the things that we talked about, sinus infections or cavitations and all that.

Once we see something, we go over with them on a CT scan, and we do a share screen, and we show them the CT scan. And then they fly it. They come to the center, and that's the reason that we create a small body, because it's your mouth and your body. It's not separate. And then we basically do a full evaluation, and based on the toxicity level, if it's just like you said, if it's just gum issue, then we just treat the gum. But a lot of patients are coming in, they're trying to look for hidden infections.

try and see what is the mercury doing to them. If they have teeth that are infected, like root canal teeth that nobody's finding, that they have leakages all the time, they don't know about it.

What are some, I mean, what just came to mind is like, let's say someone has like a high C-reactive protein, you know, biomarker, and they just cannot get it to go lower. Could that be because, let's say, they have a hidden infection from a root canal or a filling or something, and that's doing it? Like, what are some examples? To be honest with you, I just, I flew to St. Louis, and I saw this doctor, a German doctor, Simon Liu. He's a cancer specialist.

And he casts meridians. I don't know if you know what meridians are, but these are electrical bands of the body that connects to each other, like what acupuncturists do, right? And so he talks about the fact that most people that have cancers have some kind of a hidden infection in their mouth. So he goes, I cannot heal you until you go to a biological dentist and do a Colby CT scan and make sure there's no teeth that are infected, there's

There's no root canals that are infected. Mercury fillings have to be taken out. All the metals should be taken out. So you don't want anything that is going to be interrupting that meridians in the body, which is Eastern medicine with Western medicine together. And that, you know, it's been there for a long time. And,

We have to kind of connect with each other and figure out exactly what's going on from the oil cavity. Once the oil cavity is clean and they know that there's no toxicity brewing down, it's like for you being in the shower and you're trying to towel off and the drips of water is coming down constantly. You can't dry up, right? So if the oil cavity is brewing toxicity down into the lymph nodes and to the mitochondria, the mitochondria is going to get inflamed and it's going to become toxic. So you

You can go ahead and try to detox all you want. And people right now, you know, they're suffering a lot of autoimmune issues all the time. They try to detox their liver. They're trying to do this. They're trying to do that. And it's not working. So I always tell patients, check your mouth first. You want to see a biological dentist. I check the mouth, you know, and not just a regular dentist because they're not going to be able to find on a two-dimensional x-ray. And they really didn't, they don't know what they're looking for. Exactly. Yeah.

It has to be someone that's knowledgeable in biological dentistry. Yeah, I mean, what I've noticed, go to the dentist, the hygienist does most of the work and the dentist will come in. There's really almost no conversation. They do a few things and they're like, bye, see you next, you know, whatever. And they run to the next person. Like there's no evaluation really of what's going on. It seems like it's like they just

popping in like you know i don't know just doing a couple things and leaving there's really no discussion either of it's just like this protocol this is what we do like robots and again discussion of anything there isn't unfortunately that's what i mean it's just like it's very robotic and it's transactional and it's not they're not really unfortunately i was guilty of it too at the beginning of my career that's what they told you to just get in there clean the teeth clean the tartar

Maybe tell people to use some mouthwash. If there's a hole in the tooth, like a mechanic, patch up the hole. And as long as the patient's not complaining, they're not a pain, you're good. But it doesn't work that way, you know. You know, if you really look at someone carefully and you get knowledgeable, that's why, you know, in the last 30 years, you know, I've taken so many conferences, so many residencies. I just love dentistry so much. You know, you learn about airway. That's why I became, you know, a diplomat specialist in 2015 in sleep apnea, you know,

You know, because that's, you know, what's going on in the mouth. That's the gateway. People are suffering. They can't sleep well. What's going on with the gums? What's going on with the teeth? You know, looking at a cold beam CT scan and see if there's hidden infections, which we find all the time, by the way. Titus infections, bony infections, something called cavitations, like I said, where wisdom teeth were extracted. And, you know, people are sick because of this. But no one's catching it.

Because we're really behind in the way that we look at dentistry. You know, and we're hoping that we're creating a movement with other biological dentists actually internationally now, with Dr. Dome in Germany and here. And there's a group of us that are trying to create a standard for patients to really understand how, you know, you should really look at the oral talent. If I come and you evaluate me, let's say I have an infection and you clear it,

Is it enough for me to simply say, okay, thanks. And I just go back to my regular dentistry and I'm fine. Or do I need like an upgraded protocol? Like I got, you know, I just turned 50. I got a periodontal cleaning, my first one, like a year ago, you know, like what, there's really no mention of anything. You just like, oh, just go every six months or whatever. You know, like what do you do for different people? Let's say again, someone has diabetes or someone has old fillings or whatever. Like what, what are different?

It depends on everybody, obviously different. So, you know, if you have gum disease, we go over what kind of toothbrush you're going to use, which I'm a big fan of round electric toothbrushes and water picks. And as you probably noticed, the hygienist, all they talk about is flossing all the time, right? You got to floss, you got to floss, which is great. You want to do that too. But water pick is great for gum disease. Like I noticed you mentioned gum disease a few times. Water pick a hydro peroxide in there a little bit, three times a week.

will kill anaerobic bacteria really well and your gums are going to really tighten up. Those are the basics, you know, so we can get eradicated gum infection very quickly, right? But which, like I said, will eventually spread to the heart. But what we're looking at, if they have mercury fillings, they come in to do the tape removal of mercury or any kind of metals to make sure that we open up the meridians, that there's no toxins in the body as far as metals go. And we use porcelain base. We have a laboratory on site here. So everything's fabricated here at SmileBody.

And whether they need crowns or porcelain fillings or, you know, whatever it may be. And it's delivered the same day, right? If there's teeth that have to come out, if there's infection, we take them out. We don't use metals like I talked about. So out there in the world, everybody, which I did as a pathologist, I used a lot of metal implants, right? That's probably all you've heard of, metal implants. But actually in our world, we use zirconia implants, which is a,

kind of let's call it a dense porcelain based material that basically is biocompatible there's no metals it doesn't pull any emfs and the meridians are open to go the electricity to go through it so these are all these little things that are very important to use to keep the body healthy you know so for each different scenario we have to kind of write a protocol of what we do

Right. I know everyone's different. Every situation is different, all that stuff. What are some of the upgraded protocols if you're not in good shape and you're having problems? Again, let's say you're older, diabetes, whatever it is. What are some things you do? Do you clean more often? Do you do like yearly periodontal cleanings? Like what are some of the upgraded things that you could do for people? So basically, you know, for again, gum disease that you're mentioning, everybody's a little different, right? Like you're talking about some people, they get, you know,

cleaning with lasers every two months, some people every three months, and there's a two, three, four, and six month worth. If you're super healthy, you can get cleanings every six months, and then it goes up to four months, three months, and two months that are really bad. We use lasers, we use something called ozone therapy, which is a natural disinfectant with oxygen that eradicates anaerobic bacteria really well, and so we can get that bone health and the gum health back.

Right. So depending on how bad and how much bone loss they have, we go through that protocol and we write it up based on what we're looking at the CT scan, which on the CT scan, by the way, you can see really how much bone loss they have, you know, three dimensional. Instead of just two dimensional X-ray, you can't see around it exactly what's going on. So, and then onward to everything else that we talked about, you know, extractions, zirconia implants, safe removal mercury. If there's sinus infections, we have to address whatever it may be. We write a protocol for that.

Okay, so usually you'll do imaging beyond just x-ray because, you know, the dentist, again, typically it's just x-rays. But what doesn't show up on x-rays where you have to do this additional imaging? You can't see the condition of the bone on the x-rays or what else? So dental x-rays are the ones that you get, like the vigorous small x-rays when you go to the dentist. Those are really good for cavities.

Okay, so you can't really see sinus infections at all. So we have imagery that we see like people have root canal infections or the tooth infected. And when you look at a three dimensional x-ray because the sinuses are right above that area, it looks great. You know, it's like, oh, you look great. You have pain? No, looking good. You leave. Just like you said, it's an in and out. It's very transactional. Are you doing good? Yeah, Rich, you're fine? Fine, thank you. The problem is when you look on a 3D Colby, you find a lot of leakages.

from these root canals or dead teeth. Sometimes we have big cavities and the tooth has died out and the sinus is full of infection, right? No one's fighting you.

You know, it's just hidden infection. You can't find it. So to answer your question, you can't see those on a regular dental x-ray. You can't. Okay. It doesn't show at all because it's too far out and the imagery doesn't show sinus infection. It's not for that. It's only for teeth, right? Or on the bottom, there's something called cavitation or top, you know, where your wisdom teeth were taken out. They just only take out the wisdom teeth out and put some stitches. You're going to be chipmunked for a little bit and then you're fine.

You know, and you're fine normally, right? You have no pain, you're doing good. The problem is a lot of people don't heal well properly at that age, you know, because in our teens and twenties, we're basically micronutrient deficient. So we don't have them, which means we don't have enough vitamin D, magnesium, zinc, and K2 to pull calcium from your blood into those surgical areas. And so that area becomes like a dead bone internally, it becomes like an hollow space, which

which is called a cavitation. You've probably never heard of it before. And bacteria resides in there, parasites, heavy metals. They just go in this little cave and hide it, right? And that causes a lot of systemic toxins being released in the body. Where abouts

If you're a nose breather or a mouth breather, like a nose breather, I would think you'd have more of an anaerobic environment in the mouth. And if you're a mouth breather, you have more of an aerobic environment and you would attract different microbiomes over time. And that would either, that would change the acidity and the chemistry of your mouth quite a bit. Can you tell if someone's like a mouth breather or a nose breather just by looking at their teeth and everything? That's not the significant thing. When you're, it's very important for you to breathe from your nose, right?

Because nitric oxide is produced when you breathe from your nose. Okay. And when you're a mouth breather, your microbiome becomes drier in that sense. And you become, you know, your microbiome changes. So you want to make sure that you breathe from your nose. You do not want to, you see now there's mouth tapes and all that kind of stuff. Or in my specialty, because, you know, I'm a sleep apnea specialist as well. You know, we make oral appliance therapy for patients that, you know, to make sure there's the...

Deep apnea is better for the breathing from their nose, not from their mouth. Sometimes we get ENTs involved. If they have deviated septum, they can't breathe well. You have to breathe from your nose. Because what happens is deep apnea, which, you know, if you're only mouth breathing and you're not breathing from your nose, you're not producing enough nitric oxide, which causes high blood pressure. Because, you know, you need nitric oxide to be able to have that vascularity in the arteries. They harden up and you get high blood pressure.

So there's a lot of comorbidities that happen with sleep apnea that are silent. But so you have to breathe from your mouth. Mouth breathing, that's part of it that you were mentioning that changes the microbiome of the mouth. That becomes drier, more acidic. But the most important thing is the medical aspect of it, which is the nitrodoxib production from the nose.

I know that some like CPAPs still entrain the humidified air in them so that the mouth doesn't dry out, you know, when you're using it at night. Are there any CPAPs or like nose cannulas you could use that entrain a bit of nitric oxide so that you can, you know, get the benefit of that all night? Has anyone done that? Well, the thing is that CPAPs are fantastic. BiPAP, CPAP, all that for the gold standard for a long time. Nowadays,

I don't know, they're fantastic. Some people feel like they can't breathe and you got to adjust the pressures and sometimes the mask gets torn off and the litter, the reels. When you say fantastic is, you know, you're right about that. When you say fantastic is at least we're pushing air into the body because C. Fap is a silent killer, which eventually as you get older, I

I can go through the morbidities with you, but it makes you stroke and heart attack for elderly patients because they can break out of it. So in that sense, so what I worry about though, with CPAP is like, I don't know if it's urban legends, but if you use one and for some reason you don't use it one night after you've used it for a while, people die. I don't know if it's true, but if your body gets used to the CPAP, let's say the battery dies, you're traveling or who knows, and you don't have it and you're

and you try to sleep, could it kill you? Because again, you're used to it, and now your body doesn't have the one thing. No, it's not about getting used to it. It's about the fact we... Okay, so let's go back up for a minute. So sleep apnea, just so you know what that means, is that it's choking patterns of the jaw because the perinatural muscles of the neck are not opening closely more than 10 seconds. That's when people do sleep studies. And if it comes back from a board-certified neurologist and indicates that they have sleep study, we

we look at how many choking patterns are happening per night. So like 15 chokes per minute is about, per hour is about mild apnea, up to 30 is moderate apnea, and anything 30 chokes or more per hour is about severe apnea. So what you're referring to is someone that has severe apnea and they're putting them on a CPAP is pushing air, right? So now if you take it off...

and they don't wear it, they're going to have those episodes of choking patterns again, which is going to be very dangerous. That's the whole point. You know, they could have a stroke, heart attack. So the CPAP, it's not that they're giving yeast to the CPAP. The CPAP is helping them push air that they don't have the tools.

Well, what if I've been using one for a year and then, like I said, something happens, I can't use one for a night? So, people suffer because they're not going back to their choking patterns. So, now, just what I was going to refer to, we use two things. A lot of times for doctors, they use CPAPs. And we use, a lot of times, from mild to moderate, we use oral appliance therapy, which is an appliance that brings this job forward a little bit.

It keeps the airway open. These are the only two devices that are FDA approved for sleep apnea that we can use. And so I, Gil Eber, as a sleep apnea diplomat, I use a lot of oral hunts there. So once it's diagnosed by ND, we go to sleep apnea, they refer to us, and we make them an oral appliance therapy that moves the mandible forward, keeps the airway open. Now, that's something which I had apnea myself, by the way. I was diagnosed seven years ago. I wear a diamagnetism.

But what happens is that people can travel with it, right? Just like you said, it's a small appliance. You can travel with it. You don't have to carry this big mask and tubing and machines. You don't want to travel with this guy. It's very hard, right? So oral appliance therapy, a lot of people don't know about it. It's fantastic. There's academies out there for sleep that train people like I was. And so...

you can make it for a sleep patient and be able to sleep. So it's a good thing to get used to it. I remember there was like a product called SnoreRx.

You know, it wasn't as good as a dentist, but you go and you boil it, you put it in your mouth, and it molds to your mouth, supposedly, and, you know, you sleep in it. These are not good. We're not talking about that kind of stuff. We're talking, these were horrible stuff. We're talking about a medical grade in a medical lab that has to fabricate something to scan the mouth. We measure exactly how much it has to be opened up exactly, and then we have a laboratory that has to fabricate that. It takes about three weeks.

and it comes back and it's custom made for your mouth, right? And it's very small. It's a very thin, small, to answer your question, takes about one night to get used to it. And not only that, but it takes about one night to start to be able to read better because whenever I deliver this, patients always ask me, well, how long will it take for me to get better immediately? Why? Because your airways opened up right away.

But is it also low profile enough where it doesn't feel like a mouth guard and make your lips bulge out or chafe against your gums while you sleep? Like how thin and low profile are they now? You don't have this huge hunk of plastic in your mouth when you're trying to sleep, you know? Again, like I said, I mean, I've been using it for seven years. I deliver about 40, 50 of them a month. To be honest with you, everyone's really happy because they're sleeping better. Also, when they get up in the morning, they're not burning out in the afternoon.

Like I said, a lot of other comorbidities that's caused from sleep apnea, ED, you know, like I said, for our senior patients, you know, stroke victims, we see them after the stroke victim. So they're just happy that they can sleep better, right? And so no one's really complaining about it's too big. It's not big. It's a very tiny little, you know, appliance that they put in their mouth. But that is so much better as far as getting airway, you know, and oxygen to your body. Yeah.

So it's really cool. So there's two options with that. CPAP, BiPAP, because it's great. But the problem is a lot of people can't wear it. They come in, I talk, Sean, I'm not going to wear this. I'm sorry. Why don't they want to wear it? Because it's comfortable. A lot of people, they don't like the mask on their face. They don't like the tubey. They don't like the machine next to them. They're making noise, some of them.

and pushing air into your body, they're just uncomfortable. They get bloating, you know, that kind of stuff. And everyone's different. You know what I'm saying? Some people we have that work well, but they did a study that a lot of people after six months, they fail on CPAPs and BiPAP because they can't, they just don't like to wear it. It wraps around their head, they're moving around, they wake up, that kind of stuff. Well, I mean, how well is it tolerated by most people? I don't know. I don't know. Well, is the oral appliance tolerated better than a CPAP or a BiPAP? Well,

Well, the Rural Plants is different because it's just a small little thing that you put in your mouth. Right, but it does the job, but is it tolerated better by people? Do you have less complaints, less people saying, yeah, yeah, I'm using it, and they're lying because they just don't want to use it? Well, we have, I mean, most of the people that I see are referred by MBs that are either claustrophobic, they don't like the 2B, they want to travel a lot, they're like, I can't travel, put this in a suitcase every time when I'm traveling, or they just want something light.

so they can get off vision and they don't have to use the CPAP. Okay, but you're saying again with the appliances, a lot higher percentage of people are okay with it. Okay, that's great. Are there any other devices that are coming or that are in use? You know, to be honest with you, these two units, like the CPAP, BiPAP, and the oral glycerin, has been around for so long now that we have proven science. I did my residency at UCLA for sleep. But, you know, there's...

There's things that are coming out, you know, when we put it underneath your skin. There's not enough, you know, study on it long term. So I never like to use things that are just new out. You have to look at the study and the research behind it and have patients use it for, you know, at least five or seven years to figure out exactly what's working. So to answer your question, no, not really. These are the two that we're still using. No, that's fine. You know, again, as long as they work, that's great. Okay.

Well, very good. We're at the top of the hour, so we do have to go. But what's the best place for people to find out more about your clinic? And do they need a referral from their dentist or can they mention their dentist? Like, hey, you know, I want to, you know, Dr. Javid to look at my issue. Like, how can people get in touch? What's the best way? Well, they can definitely find out my mild body.

And that's our Instagram. Also, mysmilebody at mysmilebody. And that's the wellness center that I told you about that we have in Los Angeles. And basically, yeah, we created a space that's very safe. And we have, like I said, medical doctors and biological dentists, functional medicine, and IV centers and hyperbarics, everything one center. So because just like what we just talked about, the sleep, there's so many different aspects we didn't get a chance to talk about.

that people are suffering. We just don't want to cache everything, whatever your problem. And that's why we created SmileBody. But yeah, if you go to my SmileBody, they can find it for sure. Okay, very good. Well, Dr. Javid, thank you so much for coming. And it sounds like we got to have you back soon to talk more about the different things that you've seen, but I appreciate it. Thank you, Rich. I appreciate your time. Thank you for having me today. If you like this podcast, please click the link in the description to subscribe and review us on iTunes.

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