Rethinking Childhood Immunity: Vaccine Safety, Big Pharma, & Health Freedom
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Hello, this is Richard Jacobs with the Finding Genius podcast. My guest is Jennifer Margulis. We're going to talk about the Vaccine-Friendly Plan, a new protocol that limits a child's exposure to aluminum, mercury, and other neurotoxins. So I think this will be very interesting. Welcome, Jennifer. Thanks for coming. Thanks for having me, Rich. I'm excited to be here. Yeah, tell me a bit about your background. Why did you come to care about vaccines? And hopefully you don't have a negative personal experience where

a child was affected. But unfortunately, usually that's what drives people to talk about things like this. But go ahead. Yeah, no, that's absolutely true. So my mother was a biologist and my dad was a chemist, an x-ray crystallographer. And I grew up in a very science-forward family.

And, you know, we went to the doctor. We did everything the doctor told us kind of thing. And so I never really thought that there was anything to question about the vaccine program because I assumed that what the CDC was recommending was absolutely going to be what was in the best interest of children. And then I had a baby and my baby was born in the hospital in Atlanta. And I

I was an extremely educated mom. I was in graduate school getting a PhD, and the nurse came at me, Rich, with a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease. And most people, I don't know if your listeners will be aware of this, because most people don't realize, especially older people, don't realize that hepatitis B is now given to every infant in the United States. So...

It is ridiculous. But my husband and I, but the doctor will say otherwise, right? And so my husband and I had been in, of course, a monogamous relationship and we'd both been tested for hepatitis B. So I knew I was negative. I knew he was negative. I knew there was absolutely no way that my baby, unless she needed a blood transfusion, which she did not, could get hepatitis B. So I just said to the nurse, I don't want to do that. Can we wait? I'm going to talk to the pediatrician. And the nurse got

absolutely furious. Like her eyes narrowed at me, I remember, and she was just angry and kind of stomping away. And that was the moment, Rich, that I really, really started thinking about and researching and looking into the vaccine program because I couldn't imagine why the CDC would be recommending a vaccine against a sexually transmitted disease for such a tiny little baby who had no chance of getting that disease. Yeah, I've spoken to people about this. You know, when I'm almost 50, when I was a kid,

I think there was like six or seven vaccines on the recommended list. Now there's like 70-something. It's like beyond insane. I don't know how any baby survives. How does a child live? And you know the statistic that over 54% of American children now have some kind of chronic disease and that it...

You know, that includes things like autism spectrum disorders and type 1 juvenile diabetes and obesity. And a lot of these things are not everything is connected, but a lot of these things are connected to over-vaccination. Something that we're doing in this country, we are doing wrong. If over 50% of children who are presumably born healthy are suffering so much that they have to be on, you know, prescription medication, they have to be quarantined.

constantly followed by doctors. We know we're doing something wrong. And that was not the case when you and I were children. We're roughly the same age. And the vaccine schedule, your listeners can't hear me, but the vaccine schedule was very, very small. And just a few vaccines were indicated. And now we have such a long list of

of vaccines that are mandated, that are supposed to be necessary and, quote, safe and effective, that when we were doing our book, The Vaccine-Friendly Plan, we could not fit the list on one page. We had to go on to two pages to list all the vaccines. And I was so upset, Rich, I actually called my publisher and I said, I don't even believe this. Like, it's when you see it in black and white, it really makes you think. That's just terrible.

I interviewed a health freedom lawyer named Greg Glazer, and he said he had a cohort of like 1,700 people that had never been vaccinated for anything. And I said, what are these people in like the witness protection program? And he laughed, but he said the incidences of like autoimmune disorders, diabetes, et cetera, were like,

We're nil, not even a few percent lower, but pretty much nonexistent in the group, which was amazing. Yeah, that's exactly right. We have published data to that effect. And I often tell people to follow the silenced science because on the side of the mainstream, they'll say, follow the science. And I say, follow the censored or the silenced science because we have some very high quality data. It's all pointing in the same direction, which is that entirely unvaccinated children or children who are vaccinated on a slower, more delayed, more

evidence-based, more science-forward program are healthier on almost every rubric. They might get chicken pox rich. I did. I died 10 times a minute, and I'm okay.

So did I. And they might, you know, they might be more susceptible to other diseases that you might not get if you're vaccinated, but they are on anything that has to do with chronic disease and neurological disorders, including autism and ADHD. The unvaccinated children fare far, far better than the vaccinated ones. So did you get like 10 COVID vaccines with 20 boosters and mandate the same for your whole family? Oh, absolutely. I've got 25 in each arm right now. I could show you my band-aids. I just went today.

I thought it was a good day. We've brought a lot of attention to the fact that these vaccines are just so many of them. It's the same. Well, something really fascinating happened during COVID. I got phone calls. I call myself a sub-lebrity. I'm not a celebrity, but I'm a sub-lebrity. And so a lot of people, I have many, many MDs in my Rolodex. And I got a phone call, especially in the town where we live, which is a small town in Southern Oregon. And

I got a phone call from an MD who our kids had gone to school together. We were very friendly. We both had a lot of the same values. We really liked healthy food. We, you know, we were both really into exercising and being fit, getting our kids outside, getting them to play in the mud, all those things. But we really disagreed about vaccines. She called me crying, literally called me crying and said, I was so wrong and I'm so sorry because she had public, like we had, it was friendly, but it was still public, you know, that we were on opposite sides of the whole vaccine question. And she has become now, and she's a,

one of the busiest pediatric, or sorry, family physicians. And, you know, every day, churn, churn, churn, she has these 10-minute appointments. She's getting people in and out for vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. She was so worried about the COVID vaccine because she started researching it. She started looking into it and she started seeing some

unbelievably disturbing side effects with people in her practice that that led her to start thinking about the entire vaccine program. And so that's not an isolated case. A lot of people, there are so many people now who are like, wait a second, the COVID vaccine was so dangerous and so unnecessary and so overhyped and oversold. What are they not

telling us about the vaccine schedule. Same thing. I got another call from also a family physician in private practice in Jacksonville, Florida. And I can tell you his name because we co-authored a paper together and he's very public. Edward Balbona is his name, Eduardo Balbona. And he was the same way. He said, I never questioned this. I did absolutely everything. I just outsourced my brain to the CDC. I knew that they were telling us what to do. And he said, now I'm questioning all of it. Now I'm wondering if I totally led my

you know, my patients astray and I'm not going to do that anymore. On the flip side, there were people, lots and lots of people who were extremely careful about vaccines, who ran, literally lined up at the door to get the COVID vaccine because they felt like not getting the COVID vaccine would be saying that they were voting for Donald Trump. So there was this really strange shift that's been happening. It's been the re-

Republicans who have been really, really good about pushing medical freedom and the Democrats and the divide is just terrible. And I don't like it at all, but it's there and it's real. The Democrats who have been saying, basically, if you don't get this COVID vaccine, you're selfish, you're evil, you're you don't care about anyone's health. You don't care about your own health. I don't know. You know, I still see people that wear masks and I call them the hardcore mentally ill. I mean, after all this time, you know, I just don't understand the

The act of wearing one, the poor size of the mask is on the order of microns at best and viruses are nanometers. So it's like, I don't know, trying to catch a fly with a,

net that has holes the size of a football field. You know, it's crazy. But the whole thing was crazy. Yeah, I have a theory about why people are still wearing masks. I mean, part of it is like, I think it's like having a rabbit's foot, like a lucky rabbit's foot in your pocket, that it becomes a sort of talisman. And my other theory is that a lot of people, unfortunately, feel really bad about themselves. And

putting a mask on, they can hide behind it and then no one can see their face. And the reason why I say that that's one of the reasons that I think people are wearing them rich is because I interviewed a principal of a school and his school had opened. This was back in, you know, 2024. His school had, or 23, right? I'm getting confused. But his school had opened and they were not using masks anymore. And he said that half of the students were still wearing masks and he asked them why. And they said, I don't like the way I look. Right.

That's terrible. I've seen it alter people's faces too. When people wore it for months and then they took it off, their faces were shaped differently. So it resurfaced to some degree their face and their tissues. It's weird.

Wow. Yeah. I mean, to me, it's just like you get acne, you're capturing moisture on your face, you're inhaling, you're exhale, which it's like to me wearing a mask. You know, they were forcing kids. We should not forget. They were forcing kids who were sick or had snotty noses or were coughing to keep their masks on. And then they were they were re-breathing the snot that had come out of their nose. To me, that's like wearing an

underwear a fake diaper yeah yeah after you've had a you've taken a poo in it and then telling them that they weren't allowed to take them off well the whole thing was a sickness and a terrible crime against humanity it's my you know just to put it lightly but what um well let's get into the vaccine protocol you came up with so you saw this monstrous list of all the vaccines what uh what have you come up with and let's you know how do you know it's efficacious

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Yeah, well, so the book, The Vaccine-Friendly Plan, and I have some caveats, but I co-wrote that book with a doctor based in Portland named Paul Thomas. He's a medical doctor. I am a PhD, which means I'm really good at research. My PhD is not in the sciences, though. And he had been making changes in his practice and seeing absolutely outstanding outcomes. And I can tell you, because I've been to his office many times, he's no longer there, but I've been to his office many times, and he had a sick

patient waiting room and a well patient waiting room. And the well patient waiting room was always full of kids. And, you know, I barely saw anyone in the sick patient waiting room. But what he found was that if he made some pretty obvious moderations to the current schedule and he incurred and then he did other practices to mitigate the vaccine, potential vaccine damage, and we should definitely talk about them, that his patients were having extra

excellent outcomes. And so that was the basis of the book. And what that is, you know, what the protocol is, is, for example, that hepatitis B vaccine I was talking to you about contains 250 micrograms of aluminum. If your child is born in the hospital, you're likely to also be given, not necessarily given any informed consent that this is a choice, but be told that your child also needs a vitamin K shot. And we looked at the brands of vitamin K. Vitamin K

also contains aluminum. And then they're getting aluminum in other ways. They're getting it ingested. And then once they go to the two-month visit, they get a huge amount of aluminum in the vaccines. And we know that aluminum is a neurotoxin. We have

Absolutely outstanding science that shows that we cannot be giving small children aluminum. So much so that the FDA actually tells you how much aluminum is safe for, you know, for the studies were done in preemie children. So it might be a little bit different for a full-size newborn. But the amount of aluminum that you're being exposed to within a couple of days of your birth exceeds the FDA limits depending on the size of the baby. So part of this protocol is that you...

don't do any hepatitis B vaccine. If you want it, unless you're in a high risk category, if you want your child vaccinated against hepatitis B because you think your child is going to be a drug user or a prostitute or just to be, quote, on the safe side, you do that when they're an adolescent because...

when they become sexually active, because it makes no sense to be vaccinating infants against something that they have no chance of getting, cannot be helpful to them, and is actually potentially causing them, you know, their brain to be damaged. And then on those lines, we separate out all of the aluminum-containing vaccines. So if you decide you want to do vaccines, you don't ever let your doctor give your child a

an aluminum, more than one aluminum containing vaccine. And that's something that there are some doctors will be totally happy to do that. There will be others who will be very upset with you because it's, you know, breaking protocol or it's going to ruin their financial reimbursement from the insurance companies. But that is such good science. And, you know, there are lots, there are not lots, but there are many other researchers who are talking about that too, because we know the cumulative effect of aluminum is just neurotoxic in this vaccine program. So that is one. The other...

Why do you think they do this? Why do they rush it? They just want fast money as fast as they can? Or do you think they deliberately want to sicken kids so that they can give them more money? No.

No. So I tend to be, I've been accused of so many things. And a lot of what you read about me on the internet just isn't true. You know, I tend to always want to look at the best in everyone and always believe the best. And so I get vilified from both sides, right? Because people who are hardcore against vaccines will say that I'm too moderate or I'm giving them too much credit. But you know,

And then people who are hardcore in favor of the vaccine, you know, the vaccine apologists, the vaccine extremists, like the conventional people will say that I'm this crazy anti-vaxxer. But what I really think, Rich, is that every doctor in America, not every doctor, most doctors in America are actually doing their best. And they actually believe that this is the right way to go because vaccines.

like I said earlier, they don't research it themselves. They outsource their brain. And that's what the doctor who contacted me saying, I'm so sorry, was doing. She was saying that, well, the CDC is doing the research for me, so I don't have to do it for myself. So you start there and then you have to also understand that reimbursement is connected to these vaccines. So the more vaccines a doctor gives, the more money the doctor will make. And whether that's a conscious thing or an unconscious thing, obviously we all need to make a living. So that's a

another issue. And I think that those two things are honestly more of the driving forces than any. Let me say it this way. I am stubbornly optimistic. I refuse to see evil when if I can find a way

you know, to not see it. And I think that honestly, a lot of doctors are doing their best. And when they're willing to look at things in a different way, they realize, oh my gosh, what have I done? And that's what happened with Dr. Thomas. He had, what was it? It was more than three children in his practice in the same number of years become severely autistic. And then he had a parent also say to him, would you be willing to come to a conference, like a conference that, you know, about autism parents? And he said, absolutely. And he sat in the

Because he sat in the back of the room and he realized that what his colleagues and what he had been recommending as a pediatrician, absolutely wonderful pediatrician, loves kids, all the rest of it. He realized that what they had been recommending was actually hurting children. And he honestly had no idea. I really do believe, Rich, and you can call me naive, but I will probably be naive till the rest of my life. I really do believe that doctors are doing the best they can and they think that they're making the safest recommendation. Yeah.

They may. And they're far down the chain of the actual people that are coming up with their recommendations. So what about them? Yes. Well, so then it gets more pernicious because if you look at the funding that comes into the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC, you start to realize that they are really like hand in glove with the pharmaceutical industry, that the pharmaceutical industry and the infant formula industry and

Coca-Cola, of all things, and these other big ag, big food companies, they really don't care at all about our health. And I really want to swear, but I'm not going to do that to your listeners. You realize that they are giving massive amounts of funding to the CDC. They're actually funding these programs. And you see that there's this revolving door. So you see people who are high level FDA, CDC making decisions at the highest level, who then the minute they leave government, they go and work for industry. That is not

Right. That is where I think that, you know, people can absolutely legitimately claim that there are issues and it becomes a conspiracy, a true conspiracy. It's not a theory. It's a fact. And, you know, I have another book that's called Your Baby, Your Way. The subtitle is Taking Charge of Your Pregnancy, Childbirth and Parenting Decisions for a Happier, Healthier Family. And I did a deep, deep dive and I got in touch with the American Academy of Pediatrics. I was shocked to find, Rich, that they...

also are taking huge amounts of money, unfortunately huge. I mean, we're talking about over $750,000 donations per year to run them. And the American Academy of Pediatrics is the pediatric association. So these people who I'm trying to excuse from blame, I don't excuse them, but I'm trying to see the best in them, right? The pediatricians, the people with the boots on the ground, they're going to get their continuing education, medical care,

credits that are actually being funded by places like Pfizer and Moderna and Coca-Cola. Well, what conclusion can you draw from all this? I know you don't want to speak ill of them, but

It's pretty obvious that they're not doing it for good reasons. They're doing it for monetary reasons. It's a total disregard for human health. You know, I do think that I think that they have good. Well, not the let me say it this way. I do not think that the drug companies have good intentions. And the reason why I say that is because they have this. This is in my book, Your Baby, Your Way. I don't think we talked about this in the Vaccine Friendly Plan.

But, you know, you do something where you create a chronic disease. So we know that type 1 juvenile diabetes, if it does not run in your family, type 1 juvenile diabetes can be absolutely caused by over-vaccination. Well, if

if you're a type one juvenile diabetic, you can have a really wonderful long life, but you have to be on medication for the rest of your life. So the same company that's making that vaccine that's going to hurt your child is also making the insulin that your child is going to need for the rest of his or her life. So, you know, it's all I can say is that if you really want to be healthy and you really want your kids to be healthy, you have to realize that health is not going to come from a pharmaceutical prescription or an injection or a

pill, that you have to understand that, you know, true, lasting, vibrant, good health comes from things that no one can really monetize. So, you know, again, what does the vaccine-friendly plan look like? And, you know, you're talking about the underpinnings of what you see. I mean, it's in your response to it. How did you come up with it?

Yeah, let me tell you a little bit more. So another thing that we do is, I mean, the idea behind the vaccine-friendly plan is that we want to, you know, protect our children against potentially, you know, difficult diseases. And there's more to say about that because some of these diseases actually have positive health benefits if you get them. It's not that getting sick is bad. Getting sick is not bad. You don't want to get

so sick that you die or so sick that you, you know, get brain damage from the illness. So another thing that Dr. Paul did in his practice that turned out to have excellent results was that he delayed, he had all of his patients delay the MMR vaccine. So that's measles, mumps, and rubella. That vaccine is a really interesting one. It's a three live viruses. It does not contain aluminum and it does not contain mercury. It's important to know this. It seems to be the measles part of the vaccine appears to be relatively

I say it that way because it's very hard to actually get good quality data on this. We know that the mumps part of that vaccine does not work, Rich, and we know that the rubella part of that vaccine is no longer necessary because the CDC declared that rubella is no longer a disease in the United States.

But in any case, if you're worried about measles and you want to get your child vaccinated, you must wait until you're 36 months. So part of the vaccine friendly plan is that you do the measles vaccine at age 36 months, meaning three years old. And then it looks like with titer testing, you have you have really excellent protection against measles if the titer testing is correct. And then you don't have the kind of neurological damage that we absolutely see when we give that vaccine early.

So that is another key component to the plan. Another one, which I should really mention, it's so important, especially with all this COVID nonsense, is that you don't do any vaccines during pregnancy. In the United States, a pregnant woman is going to be offered five vaccines. And it used to be, you know, when your parents and my parents were having kids, they said, don't do any. Stay away from any pharmaceuticals. Stay away from vaccines. Exactly right.

Yes. And now they recommend two flu vaccines if your pregnancy spans the flu season. They recommend at least one COVID vaccine, maybe two. And then they recommend Tdap, tetanus diphtheria, acellular pertussis. Well, doing that many vaccines in a pregnant woman, what it does is it stimulates their immune system. We...

want to have our immune system tamped down during pregnancy because you don't want the woman to reject the fetus. We have also a lot of information that shows that when you overstimulate a pregnant woman's immune system, you can create inflammation in their body and that can damage the brain of their child. So that's another key component to this plan. And one more thing that I really have to mention is that you never, ever, ever give a set of metafin before or after vaccination. In fact, we tell every parent in America, do

do not use acetaminophen. Tylenol, it turns out, Rich, is very likely a causative factor in the huge rise in neurological disorders in children today. Well, Tylenol, from what I understand, in certain cases, causes stomach bleeding. Maybe it lowers the permeability of the blood-brain barrier

or because of the internal bleeding, maybe it's even on a micro level, maybe that allows the injected vaccines to go places they shouldn't go, just by armchair theory. Well, yeah. So there are several theories about Tylenol. And I think the one that seems to me to be the most relevant, Tylenol is a very bad drug. It's not a bad drug for adults necessarily. It's a very, very toxic drug for kids. And I think what you're referring to is that even an

a double dose of Tylenol can cause liver failure. So it's the number one reason. Overdosing on Tylenol is the number one reason why people go to the emergency room for acute liver failure in the United States. And the

the thing is, is that you don't realize that it's in so many medications. So it's very easy to overdose. It's easy to overdose yourself. It's easy to overdose your kids because if you're taking any over-the-counter cold or flu medicine, it likely has acetaminophen in it. And then you might be taking a couple of Tylenol because you have a headache and there you go. You've given yourself too much Tylenol. What about NSAIDs? You know, if you take ibuprofen or something, is that...

You know, so ibuprofen in the United States, because the FDA was paying a little bit more attention, is considered counterindicated for children under six months of age. After six months, you can give them ibuprofen. We have not seen the same kind of neurological problems with ibuprofen that we see with Tylenol. And let me explain, if your listeners are willing to geek out with me for a minute,

One of the things that Tylenol does is it depletes the body of glutathione. Glutathione you can think of as nature's mop. It's produced in our bodies naturally and it's basically what it does is it goes around looking for things to clear out. So it gets rid of any toxins including heavy metal, you know, things like aluminum and mercury and it will also help clear like viruses and bacteria.

bacteria, right? So the last thing on earth you want to do when a child is sick is compromise their ability to detoxify their body. And the thing is, is that when you are giving a child a vaccine, just read the vaccine ingredient list. So then now it's hard to find because the CDC moved it. So the site that we always tell people to go to. Yeah, they protect people, of course, yeah. Right. But basically, if your child is having some kind of

toxic exposure you want their bodies to make more glutathione you don't want to inhibit their ability and so if you have any pre-existing conditions that can compromise your ability to detox and then you put Tylenol on top of it you're basically doing a one-two punch it's just terrible so you

you know, that I think is likely the mechanism. We also know that it looks like from some, and these are rodent studies, so they're not as high quality, but, you know, there's been this huge question about why. And we have the smartest scientists in the world. I, you know, I love America.

I am a patriotic person and we have the best universities. We have people coming from all over the world. They study here. They come up with these fascinating results and theories and then they go home to their home countries and they implement them. Well, how is it that autism is affecting four times as many boys as girls in the United States? And we don't know why. And

You know, on this theory about, you know, Tylenol plus vaccine equals autism, right, or can equal autism, Tylenol looks to be a lot more dangerous in the presence of testosterone than in the presence of estrogen. And so that might also, you know, explain this disparity within gender. Very interesting.

Is there any research into, I mean, Tylenol has been out for so long and I'm sure it's considered safe by all the authorities. Is there anyone doing research into acetaminophen or aspirin anymore? Yes. Well, so, you know, aspirin, it's funny because aspirin fell out of favor. I actually, you and I took aspirin as kids. We took baby aspirin and we had, you know, the

The rates of autism have gone crazy. The new data is so shocking. It's one in 36 children in the United States. It's one in 30,000, you know. It's just because we can detect it. No, that is not why. And I can show you the history. It used to be one in 10. I mean, before, you know, it was absolutely, was very unusual for anyone to see it. And then it became one in 10,000. Now it's one in 36. And we never saw that with aspirin at all. That's

But there are actually a lot of people doing excellent research on acetaminophen. And the one whose research I have been most informed by, me and Dr. Paul, is an incredible biochemist immunologist who was at Duke University for something like 28 years in the medical school.

And his name is William Parker. He was part of the original team that discovered that the appendix is not a vestigial organ, that it actually had a very important role in harboring beneficial bacteria. And he has been, he was the person who bent my ear about the

the dangers of acetaminophen. So I would encourage any of your listeners who like to read the science themselves to look up William Parker's work. Okay. So what was the next step in your vaccine protocol? What did you do to craft it and what does it look like? Okay. So the other thing that, you know, what I said earlier was that it's really important to understand that health doesn't come from a vaccine. And the truth is you can be vaccinated or unvaccinated and have

health problems. It's not like the magic bullet is not doing vaccines. And so what we really encourage parents to do is to look at all the other factors that influence their health. And the number one factor, Rich, and I don't know why people don't like to talk about this more, but it's breastfeeding and also paying attention to the food that you're putting into your body. So if you want to give a child the elixir of life, nature made it for us or God or

you know, the universe, whatever your belief system. And, you know, human beings make the most incredible, delicious, nutritious, immune beneficial human milk. So if pediatricians really, really cared about their patients' health, they would start, you know, making sure that 95 to 100% of new moms got the support they needed so that they could

meet their breastfeeding goals. And hopefully that goal would be to breastfeed exclusively for four to six months and then for as long as both the mom and the baby want to afterwards. Well, that's been demonized too. You know, breastfeeding has been demonized, natural birth,

vaginal births versus C-section. Everything healthy has been demonized. Everything. Well, there's no profit. You know, there's a subtitle of a book that is breasts are bad for business. There's no profit in breastfeeding. There's no real profit in eating, you know, delicious soup made of organic kale. And,

And free range, you know, able to eat all the bugs, chicken. And the thing is, is that like, you know, because what do you need when a kid is sick? I mean, my 15-year-old daughter is on the couch for a couple of days feeling terrible. And the thing that you need the most, our grandparents were right. Our grandmas were right. Forgive me.

that I'm genderizing that, but like you need, you know, chicken soup, you need fresh squeezed orange juice, you need it to be organic and you need time to rest and love and attention. And none of those things are marketable. They really aren't. I mean, maybe the soup, but you need it homemade from your own kitchen, you know? Right. Not from Campbell's processed chicken.

garbage, for instance. Yeah, I understand. And we also, we live in the cult of convenience. So we tell a lot of parents things that are just plain wrong because we want to just have like the quick fix because, you know, people are so busy rushing around trying to get to work, trying to, you know, forward their careers, trying to get their kid off to school. And I'm

I mean, I'm guilty as charged. You know, I have four children and I had three little ones and one of them wasn't feeling well and I had to pick my other kid up from school. Now, when a human being doesn't feel well, part of what they want to do is isolate. They get a fever, which is beneficial to the immune system and it helps clear the illness, right?

And they want to be quiet and they want to be, you know, held. And I just remember I feel guilty about this to this day. But I didn't have anyone to watch my kid and I brought her with me to go pick up my other child from school. That's not what you want to be doing. But I was rushing around and I didn't have the support that I needed to find another way. But, you know, it's the cult of convenience, this idea that it's easier outside.

to give a child infant formula than to breastfeed, which is absolutely untrue. But that also comes from not prioritizing women

and not prioritizing new parents and not prioritizing the health of our children, but thinking that we have to go, go, go, win, win, win, achieve, achieve, achieve. And we need to change that. We need a cultural shift so that we can actually start doing the things that create good community and longevity. I remember seeing a video on TV when my wife, we were having our first child

And it was all, you know, different animals, all breastfeeding, like, you know, deer and whales and every creature you can think of, kangaroos, whatever it was. And I just laughed because, you know, all these mammals, that's literally a different definition of a mammal, a mammary glands. And all these creatures breastfeed, they're totally fine. And

And oh, no, it's bad for people. I mean, give me a break.

Infant formula is junk. It's trash. It's worse than trash. And it's, in fact, it's causing necrotizing colitis, which is a potentially lethal disease. So anybody who would ever say that breastfeeding isn't good is...

It's literally the best thing you can do. And then you want to make that breast milk as nutritious and nutrient dense as possible. And the way to do that is for mamas and papas to really start paying attention to what they're eating as well. And that's part of, that's in every chapter of our book, The Vaccine Friendly Plan. The book goes starting before you conceive, then pregnancy, a chapter on childbirth, first hours after life, and then it

It goes in order of the well baby visits. So every time you would take your child to the pediatrician. So it's extremely user friendly. And I think that's why, you know, that book has been very, very resonant with readers. We've sold 250 million copies of it so far. She's far astonishing. Yeah. But we in every chapter of that book, we encourage people to eat real food. I mean, it sounds like it's so simple. You know, humans should eat food. That is a radical notion.

I am a rebel for saying... There's no clinical trial that says food will keep you alive or breathing will be good for you or any of that stuff. So it's anecdotal. Thank you. You know, if you think about it, they've demonized your own experience. They call it

And they say it's no good. They've demonized people's actual experiences, if you think about it. That's how far it's gone. It is. And earlier you mentioned, you know, all of the literally hundreds of thousands, maybe more like millions, it's actually more like millions of American families who followed the protocol that their conventional doctors gave them. They did everything the way they were told. They went to every well-baby visit and they ended up with a child with a severe brain damage or a

other chronic diseases. And then when they go back to the doctor and they say, could it have been the vaccines or could it have been something you recommended? The doctor says, absolutely not. And those parents have been so ostracized and so vilified and so censored. It's, you know, it's astonishing. It's like we lost our humanity when it comes to vaccine-injured children because it really is, like you were saying earlier, Rich, a cash cow for big pharma. And big pharma has big money and they spend that money partially on vaccines

making sure that parents feel like they can't speak honestly because, you know, they actually have, this is actually true. This is also not a conspiracy theory. They have, you know,

paid people in the pharmaceutical industry who are not revealing their connection, who are going on the internet and derailing those conversations, and they do ad hominem attacks. So they're pretending to be, you know, Joe Schmo or Miss Mom, and they go in and they start saying horrible things to shut down these conversations. And of course, we know from what was it last week, two weeks ago, that, you know, Zuckerberg has now confirmed that yes, he was indeed censored.

censoring the internet for anything that had to do with, you know, vaccine safety issues. He's still doing it. He said he was going to stop, but he hasn't yet. I know best friend Fauci was pardoned because he was so wonderful and he did nothing wrong, of course, you know, he's a great guy. Yeah, it's, I didn't, and I'm glad that you're still positive about it. And, uh, you know, you haven't fallen down into the darkness, but I just see it as a

I don't know. I just see, like I said, COVID is the greatest crime against humanity ever perpetrated. And who's worse, a serial killer or these people that run these drug companies in Aladdin? I would say the people that run the drug companies are far, far, far worse. They've sickened and ruined the lives of millions and millions and millions of people. Of course, I agree with you. I just I have no place to go with that. Like I have somewhere to go with seeing the positive aspects and seeing the best in people. And here's a good story.

I have a friend whose husband works for a pharmaceutical company, and I can't remember. I think it's they make, you know, anti-diabetes drugs or something like that. He said to his wife, they have four beautiful daughters. He said, we are not vaccinating these children. He knew enough about the industry and about how bad it was. And so, you know, they didn't vaccinate their kids. They were they're completely healthy. They're starting to have grandchildren now.

And they had, so they have two grandkids, one of whom was born at home, this absolutely gorgeous midwife-assisted birth. So I don't know. I just want to believe we might end up killing off a lot more humans and that would be kind of sad, you know, but I just, like I said, I stubbornly choose to believe that there is good in the world still. No, no, there is. There is. And I'm glad you believe that stuff. I just, yeah,

you know, like I said, I've just seen so much of this and it's hard. Look, if you have a job and if you don't comply, they'll fire you, but they'll ruin your career. You know, what if you spent years getting a PhD and this is all you do? You're in a lab for 20 years and you know,

You know, you say anything, your lab's gone, your whole career is gone. You know, people are not going to do that. And then friends and family will say, what's wrong with you? Why'd you do that? You're this, you're that. The pressure is intense and it's from all sides. And I could see why a lot of people have complied. I have the fortune that it was easier for me, but some people don't. So I do understand they go along with it. And look, if you got, you know, the COVID vaccination or wherever it is, you know, it's harder to say, oh, I was, I was a fool. I shouldn't have done it.

So you're more likely to double down and, you know, say nothing or say, oh, you should have done it too because I had to do it, you know. So I think all those things are in play. I think there's also Stockholm syndrome. I mean, I think that we that a lot of people succumb to Stockholm syndrome. So, you know, Stockholm syndrome is when which we've seen. It's a psychological state of mind in humans that when you're kidnapped, you will start somehow identifying with your kidnappers. And so making.

apologizing for them and identifying with them. And so I think that that is a lot of what has happened during COVID is that, you know, we had again, and I hate, I'm not trying to politicize this, but it really was a political phenomenon where Democrats who used to, you know, defend freedom and defend freedom of speech and freedom of the press started really

you know, doubling down and saying you have to do these vaccines. And so people complied. And then now that they know, I mean, it's impossible not to know what is it. We have more than 2000 peer reviewed scientific articles showing that COVID vaccines are causing so much harm. And I mean, some of the harm that they're causing are things like, you know, vulva damage.

ulcers where there is a study, a case study where a child in Japan got bleeding ulcers inside her vulva. You know, this is the kind of thing that just blows my mind. But what do you do? And like you said, you just say, oh, well, you know that, I mean, people in my own family completely dismiss it. Oh, it's so rare. And oh, it doesn't matter. And oh, it helps so much. Well, it didn't. And

you know, it's the side effects are real. They're not rare for the COVID vaccine. And unfortunately, when you do all the vaccines together, you really have a problem. But we...

You know, we find a way to apologize for it because we don't want to face the truth that we were so duped and people were so wrong and they made such a big mistake. That's kind of a hard thing to swallow. Yeah, no, it's true. Where can people find out about your vaccine protocol? Let's restate the name of your books that are out there and where people can get them.

Absolutely. So, I mean, the best place to go is to get a copy of The Vaccine-Friendly Plan, which is the subtitle is Dr. Paul's Safe and Effective Approach to Immunity and Health from Pregnancy Through Your Child's Teen Years. And I will say that since this book came out, Dr. Paul has gone even farther away from the vaccine world.

recommended by the CDC. So he believes because he has had some cases where people were following the vaccine-friendly plan and he wasn't happy with the outcomes. And he's no longer, he's retired now. He's not practicing medicine. And then they can also read my book, Your Baby, Your Way, taking charge of your pregnancy, childbirth, and parenting decisions for a happier, healthier family. And then the best place to find me, I have a website, which is my name,

jennifermargalis.net. But the best place to find me right now is on Substack, which has been a really wonderful alternative to Facebook. It's very interactive. It's very dynamic. It's basically a newsletter that comes to your inbox, but you also can go and comment on it and interact with the author and then

read it on the web if you don't like to get your inbox inundated. And my Substack is called Vibrant Life. But if you just Google my name, actually don't Google because Google is censoring the heck out of me right now. If you duck, duck, go or use an alternative, I guess Brave is another good one, search engine, you can look up my name and then Substack and it should take you to Vibrant Life. And I encourage your listeners to subscribe if they're interested in these issues. Yeah, that's great. Well,

Well, Jennifer, I really appreciate you being on the podcast and speaking openly about all these issues. So thank you for coming. Thank you so much for having me, Rich. If you like this podcast, please click the link in the description to subscribe and review us on iTunes. You've been listening to the Finding Genius Podcast with Richard Jacobs.

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