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coming up episode. We into the nf, not banning the courter back. Push some big free to move. Of course the the mark Jackson situation were going to wait in on that, of course and we're also going to of course launched the highroads en interview um how .

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a much Better interview than I think we anticipated, not that we had a low bar of expectation how um you just succeeded IT. I mean, yeah, I really thoughtful interview brings up a lot of great points, very open discussion. I think all ego frends you're going to like get to .

know how rosman just a little bit Better. IT was definitely ee opening. I didn't expect him to have that much that much juice.

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I didn't know if there was going to be anybody in ball tickets to go to this. We've never done a live show. We certainly don't know how what's going to go.

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Ly, we can get some take. We wish everybody, you know, I mean, that we do is just no way. One of things I think .

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the week first posted by S. J. E twenty two, eighty nine zero and the new height separated, showing off his first new high city on top of a mountain in oai.

About that.

the mount, the a, that's K, A, A, A heck observe tory, i'm just going to say that. The heck observe tory, I know exactly. It's that good job.

Gas looks great. Can't leave out the best part about the tree. Nature's thermostats at full mask is a bird is home on the top of mounts.

That man.

yeah, but very cool. Never did think a new high country would be on top of mountain. And but you hope you guys had a great view up there too. I've heard it's absolutely gorgeous.

You know what, man?

Well, we also have a child trying to make print media. I try with a child making something like a newspaper, each thing and the new news newspaper try, what do you think of this? I mean, it's, you know, have we ever had a pizza SE pineapple debate?

The verse part apple in the newspaper.

there's a sole section, does pizza? Does pineapple belongs on pizza? To which the obvious answer is, yes, of course. yeah. I mean, anything belongs on pizza yeah.

Anybody whose game keep in pizza? Bings is a special place in hell for people that are ban and pizza. So let me tell.

You know, it's always like, got me a little uncomfortable though, is hamburger pizza that .

makes me why people like .

to put mustard on pizza and just, I see how a cortes, I will see a correlates man.

there is pizza I don't like. There are topics that I don't like, but the whole beauty, a pizz, is that you put stuff on top of IT. So there is no there should be no limitations to work on anybody putting a limitation. The top of pizza is limiting pizza, and i'm I am not a thing and a limiting .

pizza pizza also I .

don't know that is a kid because there's a weird science reference in this lower right right corner and I don't know any children today's is that would have any clue. There's no the show. We are sciences right like that .

was this is a movie here.

So I think this might be a man mass. It's .

it's a wait. No, that's Franklin stan.

They did IT in the song in the resign song too.

Don't a good reference. I think about me.

It's been a while. It's if we also got some response to the nf players as segment, we got to enemy fan art.

This is absolutely historical.

I was a .

good to have any tat.

I don't have any tattoo. I thought about getting a tattoo for my wedding ring, but I have not, as right now, zero tatoes .

zero tattoos. What about you now? Mom told me he was, just don't get tattoos s because you're gna be sixty years old and you're going na look back and feel like, why the why did I get this?

Oh, there's all those sixty year old that are really.

really in the back of my head of my, I don't even know what I would get. I'm so indecisive. Like, what do I get? My number eighty seven. And I really like this. We talked a little.

We thought about getting like the family crest. We thought about .

doing like a brother ly test. What is the calls a family crest even look like? Send IT to the ninety two percent as what is a calc? What is the new heights elsey quest look like?

Well, mom side of the family has a family crest. Dad side does not. I don't think the crest is like. It's almost like a shield type thing.

No, I know exactly what a crest is. I've never seen mom, that's crazy.

You that yeah byo cks boyo cks have a crest. Kells's is no crest.

Well, we don't even want to really pronounced IT.

So, yeah, they are poor rish man, poor hybrid, who knows? But yeah, great art work. Love the sore lax.

Get back to the animal. That is a prety sweet.

That is pretty good. The style of that is very pokemon ask. I mean, just very well done. Everyone on twitter complained about how I pronounce jerod, which guys I don't have you know this, but geritol s is not an actual word. We should probably not take IT that .

serious.

I mean, got A G Y. I think unless we're going .

like .

greek eros dos. Apparently it's pronounces dos, which i've never seen A G Y go gear but you know whatever and I guess we also own apology to learn me tunnel ah this .

that wands on us good call up .

by cory will be eighty three forty nine on youtube commented in response to calling Larry mitton so coffin said, yeah, the main notorious ally did not off.

It's impressive .

yeah I mean that .

I do even say that .

I don't know but to very fair call out in our me, we would like to formally apologize for making that air.

I would love to take up the twelve bold topics of the nfl off season, at least the topics that we're going to touch based on and and talk about here this week as the start of the annual nfl owners meeting. Baby, this week was IT was that started happened?

It's going on I think it's actually going on right now. It's still happening. Well, um the first topic one to touch on with the N F owner's meeting is that there is no uh push push on the decade, meaning you're still going to able to push the court of naked ninety two percenters. The ninety two percent play is still going to be an effect next year.

I get IT like.

what do you think as someone who doesn't do IT but .

short happen doesn't do IT we we tried to do this. I think he was, since I think he was the hc chAmber game, we tried to go forward on certain short.

You can try to do the push.

Yeah, I lined up as full back and you push my dog. Know, agree. Did the tighten motion into, like, into under center? You and foul .

start.

No, no. I tried to push and there was, no, there wasn't going in anyway.

really.

I felt like the most like helpless human being, every like, I couldn't help out at all. My man.

yeah, this actually brings a part of the reason why I think he wasn't banned. You know, I was down at the combine, which at the combine, all these owners, the rule committees, their meeting down there and the world come out of the combined, was that I was pretty split. There are a lot of teams that didn't think you should be banned there, a lot of teams that don't think it's as easy as is being played up in the media to do.

But we're going to find out because I think every team is going to be trying to do this this year. I think a lot of teams of the success that we had doing IT last year, we're going to trying to permit this in short yardage. So we'll see if IT is as easy as everyone thinks and this will ably come up. But again, I don't think this has gone anywhere.

See if that ninety two percent holds.

Yeah, we'll find out. I actually don't think it's you know, I really wasn't to worried about IT. We used to do quarter back things before you allowed to push or before we start to pushing.

And they are pretty different effective. I don't know that this is something net. I just think it's a hard play to defend regarding that. So either way, i'm certainly happy they're were able to run in again because was a huge play for us. And I think IT will be effective again.

will see one rule that they did not .

also that they also didn't put on the docket. Unfortunate they're not listening to new heights. Travis, your idea of allowing one hockey style fight game, it's in it's not being considered. No, it's not being considered. It's not being considered to so unfortunately.

you know were going to have to yell from the mountain top. No, no fugue.

no.

can't fight. You can push, but you can't fight.

Yeah, pushing aloud, punching. No, kicking. Well, certain situations you cook a ball can can give a person.

can kick a person. You cannot kick a person. You tony Brown found that out.

That is such a good clip. Did he find flying? Frankie?

He lukin a man? yeah.

two. That is such a good reference. I forgot all about that highlight. That is a great highlight. If we can put one highlight on the show, I wanted to be the antonio Brown flying jump kick.

I mean, his letter man is great.

You should be allowed to do that too.

No way. absolutely.

Why not? If you get stiffer, why can't you stiff kick.

please? What's the? It's a weapon. Men.

everybodys weren't mold today. Those clear. Do no, no damage. what? Why can you stick on, but you can't stiff.

please. I listen. I I don't have an answer for you.

They literally made appending up on the spot. They like unnecessary roughness. I've never seen that done, but IT doesn't look like .

IT should be legal. Some tells me you can do that. Let me talk IT over with some other zebras here and see if we .

can OK tell me on the jerk I am in favor, how? What do you feel like when panners get run over or anything happens?

Not go, not divided into this man.

I just wanted know what you feel like ponds or kickers whenever they get trucked stator blocked. What is the first thing?

H, I enjoy.

it's so joyous. There's like just such super. Tell me, Harrison.

I love you guys. I'm sorry. Yeah, i'm sorry you guys.

yes. For just a second, you got what it's like every play. That's what you got. All right, you remember .

the the probe, which one? Shawn Taylor, there was like a fake pint.

yes. Oh my .

gosh, that's great. Robo was the probe. O man list.

I don't want guys to get hurt, but I am off. There's a clip of my phone, and I love john dorm boss long. Snapper, I mean, there's a clip of my phone of a Normal sane delima just picking him up and you just see as feet kicking. It's the closest thing is if they allowed just anybody to go out on the field and see at .

first now like like he's sitting in a chair that's .

too far too. He read flin stone in in the middle the year, not just d man. I mean.

just complete.

I mean vicious manua by the deal. I mean, wasn't trying to like to kick IT foobar. I be complete bully. I'm going to fire the guy who can't defend himself and i'm just going to completely demoralize .

go after the guy who's look in between his legs.

And you know, what had I loved every second of IT? Thank you already. Let's get to the real changes that are being considered.

I don't know why I feel like it's the closest thing to like rose vers joes. Remember.

that is just the fact you can't touch these guys. All they do, all they play video games and play golf fun. Wednesday after practice, they are in the country club of country clubs playing in the nfl.

And just like one second, I want them to feel what it's like, actually like being foobar player. And I love you not going a lot. I love those guys.

I really do. But I am obviously very jealous of your physical protections. So when these protections come off, 哼 没有。

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Let's get to the the rules that are being considered, the actual rules that the owners are thinking about. First rule of moving punt touch backs from the twenty airline up to the twenty five online. I'm in favor of this.

I think you would be first while i'm in favor like we just took on specialist, but I am in favor of anything that motivates a team for going for more or um uh d motivates them from hunting and trying to pin me inside the five year line. I want them to say as far away from put me in the back of situation as possible. So I like this rule. I don't know it's going to change anything.

but I don't have a care in the world for this room.

I like start with the ball. Ti, I mean, okay, providing that on a free kick, also known as a kickoff or a safety kick that is fair, caught behind the recovering teams, twenty five airline, the ball will be placed at the receiving teams twenty five year line. So in other words, anybody receiving a kick after a score or a safety can free catch IT very catch IT inside the twenty five airline, and they'll get the ball at .

the twenty five.

not really catch akers.

what I don't like .

this rule I like, hopefully that does not pass.

not a thing of the who, the fucker and brought what the I don't get why that anybody would want that .

rule the region these rules are being considered is because they're trying to desensitize people returning kicks. Special teams are the highest rate of injury in the nfl. They are trying to make the game safer.

And the easiest way to do that is to reduce the amount of kick returns and partner turns. So that's why all of these rules are being considered. They want more fair catches. They want more touch backs, they want less returns, which such because .

take an excited about the gay men. I don't like IT. I hope, I hope to god that doesn't passman.

Devon has mean all these guys that make careers, josh, careers. I mean, IT was such an exciting play to watch. And when when you get an electric return .

or back there, like I remember when thai, I was his first couple years when he was returned in every point. Now the stadium chanted his name every time the, every time the other team's punt am went out. This a tire, K, K, I, K, E, like.

And you can just see him just kind of like, stare down the walking kind of pace. And back in four IT was the IT was like a action pack movie. He was elected.

I enjoyed every single. I enjoyed every single bone return that he had, even if he just caught IT fair catch, like the drama. The excitement leading up to that was electric.

I think that only works when you have a guy like tire here.

But that's what i'm saying if you got if you gotta do back there, it's like this is one of the most exciting plays in the game. Every single time the pointing comes out there, it's like, why are we trying to why are we trying to take that away from the game again.

trying to make IT safer? I don't know that I agree with IT. IT is what IT is safe.

safety first. Kids.

you are going expanding the definition of a launch, taking the action with one or both feet, so obvious you not allowed to launch into a bull Carrier receiver. You're not lot to leave your feet to make a tackle.

Um this is so really .

you weren't allowed to do IT off of two feet, but you could do IT off of one. I don't really know what this means. All I know you get launch .

and I feel like bring back launching.

So you you're just automated. You're just in favor of making the game as unsafe as I used.

Unsafe yeah that's the excitement of football. What we are not playing.

I think .

point soccer. You mean like, let's sure let's let the game be the game yeah you I mean, i'm all for that. I'm all for guys, you know, risking their livelihood.

They are mean, i'm with IT. I signed the touted line knowing that I was at risk. Okay, i'm with IT.

Dude, i'm not in this thing to, you know, think about safety. I didn't buckle up before I went over the middle to cat the ball. You mean like good bucket, my seat belt before I I mean.

listen, I get what you're saying.

your seatbelts, kids, but the .

football no.

you, me, you have the best equipment you can but at the end of the day, like that's the fun of the game is, you know mean you're out there.

less. I can't disagree with you. The game was a lot was very fun to watch when that was part of the game. But that being said, they are trying to make IT safe for they're trying to limit concussions, are trying to make IT so that guys don't leave the game and have the billet ating side effects. So I think what they're trying to do is good.

Is that a little bit less exciting? Probably, but I think that it's still a pretty exciting game and it's it's pretty in the best that we don't allow people to take a running start job in the little air and lead with their head and knock people unconscious. That's probably good thing.

They don't let that happen.

And this one of the most exciting, don't get bind dog, you kid. To me, like I was IT was amazing.

IT made me turn on my T. V on every sunday.

I don't disagree. I don't disagree. The natural change you're talking about making is you're onna consider making the tripping penalty a personal file um yeah I don't agree is yeah I don't agree with that because like when I think of personal file personal file something aggressive tripping isn't really an aggressive move. It's not a trip. Tripping is a winning move.

So we need we feel it's not .

a personal file. Do we need file? So of anything we should be incorporating, we need file.

Files are twenty arts.

I were I think they should be worse. I think we need to have a whole other category of wini file. What would be another wini file? Uh, puling somebody down by the hair?

Um what's another wini file? 呃， kicking somebody in the balls? I don't know that .

people anything using your feet this .

slide tackles unless it's a flying job kick that's not a winning. That's an a question play.

Yeah.

shouldn't be a personal file. That should be a personal celebration. Oh my god, you just see the physical feet that guy performed right there. I think he just killed them on her. He gave his .

chesson your Brown baby.

Here we go. Making the penalty for illegal, for illegally handing the ball forward consistent with other illegal acts such as illegally forward.

Where did anybody? Where did this rule even come up in the past five years? Nobody, i've never anyone try to hand the ball forward. Well.

clearly happens behind the line. Discreet, but it's allowed to happen behind the line score. You can hand the ball forward in front of you, right? Or can you not do anything behind this last year?

Yeah, one hundred percent. Everybody runs just without of fun.

Done that right? You say to k or you yeah I mean, I don't think it's illegal to hand the ball off an eighty direction if you your hand in the ball, your hand in the ball, that's my opinion, like I always usually will throw the table for that that to pass but a hand off like you, if you know if the ball doesn't leave your hand and you physically give IT to somebody else at the that's where game I don't really understand what I don't care what you hate IT forward.

backward, have an argument for that. You this ones so guys are out here doing the four hundred ray, no passing that thing list.

However, you need to hand at all if you're IT, if you have possession and you hand IT to somebody, I don't think that any different than like if you fumble the ball and they picked IT up like, I just hate that all .

the person I think like a Better .

than I think it's stupid yeah, I think you can't throw IT forward. So if they played IT and they found off, they found that I left her. Han.

I just want to know where this even came up. You mean like like half of these half of these rules are I didn't see IT a lot of these rules .

come up because there's a lot of people that have a lot of downs in the off season and they see one play from the last twenty years, and they decided that they are going to make their mark on the nfl by writing a rule. And we're going to go over them like they are going to make huge impacts in the game, which they will, right?

The next rule is not going to make a difference, is clarifying improper use of help me by removing the term but RAM speare language from article eight and incorporating those terms into impermissible use of a helmet rules. All of that is meaningless. It's all meaningless. All that is just trying even know how you comprehended.

what you just read.

what you have to read. Article eight. Travis, you have a read article eight of the of the robot.

No, how do you play foot all that regal late? I mean, this is just this is stupid. This is just removing certain terms that are violent and corporate and to non violent terms. Move on. The owners approve any player to wear number zero, except of course, orphans have been defend alignment. We always get the raw into the deal um also punny in place kickers can now where numbers zero through forty nine and ninety three ninety nine, which I am all for a ponder wearing zero because it's kind of like a target for that flying jump kit. We just talked .

about that big zero.

U. K, keep attacking the specialist man can .

keep doing IT already. Kevin really has also become the first player in N F history to wear the a brazil. He tweed IT out its official, wow, eight and zero men.

yeah. I mean, listen, i'm not I like zero is a cool number but was even cool than zero is double the big gem. Moto, I think that they need if we're going to allow zero, they should allow double zero for opens .

of alignment. That's tom said, oh, right, I see you did there.

I just think they double zero or number than zero.

No, man, some about that zero. Man.

I like double zero school.

So .

there is. Too much.

You sold me on that for whatever reason. I mean, got a reason. I mean.

what made you choose? Sixty two. what? Maybe two? Sixty yei sixty. They just game.

You got drafted. They ask you what number you wanted.

No, they did not. They handed me a jersey that i've war for the first time and train cap. I did not choose anything. I haven't chosen my number at any level of foobar. And this states back to rax beral middle school.

Forty eight, forty eight. Baby, I was forty eight. You've been bonds numbers three years.

forty eight a bonds number.

Your numbers are forty eight.

A very the .

best number was thirteen. We were thirteen. And hockey, he was like friday, the thirteen .

thirteen was my favor number. I did choose that number in hockey. Outside of that I never chose. I've wore forty eight. I wore sixty in college, and I wore sixty two in the prose, obviously, where I guess, yeah, there was. I feel like the reason I never have picked the numbers because I remember when they gave me the number forty eight in middle school or high school. How long if I were forty in middle school and high school?

When the game see, I can see the rocks bar rocket to jersey. I'd forty eight. So whatever .

they game at jersey, the coach said the player makes the number, not the other way round. Now I yeah really what was happening was every all the kids are asking for the same numbers, and there's only so many jerseys. And the coach has got tired of making some elaborate reason why some kid could not have a number. So he said, nobody y's picking and i've been like that ever since and I feel pretty good because bunch .

of sixty two .

jerseys ands everywhere .

in the link baby player .

makes a jersey kids. Don't forget IT. What was a bunch number is now one of the most but legendary .

bonds numbers. Still a bonds number though. I mean.

it's not that much more bonds in eighty seven, that's be honest. White, eighty seven.

eighty seven fucked in. That's a number right there. That's a White. nothing. Nothing ever happened in nineteen sixty two or everything happened in eighty seven.

What about eight hundred and eighty seven?

What happened? We sign the declaration independence.

twenty seven, seventy six day.

should I forth?

That was seventeen .

hundred thousand seven hundred. That's crazy.

You don't know the nation's birthday?

No, july forth, really july third, which didn't .

know that well. Took a couple of days. Get all the signatures. Yeah, you're talking about me, even bonds numbers. What about your bonds numbers?

A life when I came back from from missing the year, I I was given number forty eight. So I actually wore number forty eight telling you how trash of a number that is I actually had to wear.

I mean, that's a really bad numbers.

And off as a player especially, that's a bad number.

Feel like defence of, defense of.

like player absolute. Sw.

not as bad. Hi.

if you're a line back of forty eight makes sense if you're anybody in offence. Forty eight is it's a tough cell. It's a tough cell.

But then you went to eighteen.

Oh, baby eighteen, a bounce number two, no, on a red teen always hits on the real table. Baby eighteen .

of all the teen.

eighteen is the worst. No.

what's the worst? What's worst in the eighteen.

fourteen and .

six Better, sixteen Better. I like sixteen more now, because what do you like? What do you think that? Okay, where do digital? K, what's the best digit? Highly shot digit?

I say .

agree, I think seven one.

then three. I wore number one in high school.

I know you are a number one guy. Number one, number one guys are certain types guys you know to.

Hey, rain there I one look sweet to filly jersey. I know that.

Yeah so for seven and one and three and five.

three and five.

I like i've always been .

a big friend. I think I feel like six is the that's the .

one digit that's a six and eight or definitely the three the worst there, the bottom three, four, six and eight. I would go, I give to you, I would say sexy.

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and these extra speech C D bb move IT on to the other item coming out of the owner's meeting um that absolutely splashed and took over the internet was the the annual coaches photo. That's right, they always set up and take a team photo men and there were a few guys missing this year. I'm not sure if everybody always goes to this, but there's about three or four coaches that didn't make IT. This picture is hilarious. I can't tell you what i'm even looking at.

I the first one, we can we just agree that the team photos are terrible, so worth A Y O. The moment .

they say.

hey, we're doing the team photo today, there is an audible grown everyone you're going to put on your game paint, socks and your jersey and we're going to all take a photo and it's never going to get seen I have to stand there into the sun and they just do like, hey, closure I kind of three open them and say, cheese and I just I know more like, dude, i'm not smiling you take the picture let me get off of these freking bleachers or steps whenever we're on. And IT seems like I can't imagine the nfl. He coaches feel too much different about IT.

No, some of these coaches look, they look like they are in IT.

The first thing to me is just how many coaches I can like, pick out out of a crowd.

And I feel Terry about you .

ask me a team. I can name the her coat.

I can point at which team is which, but I, when IT comes the name of the worst.

On the opposite, if you ask me the the head coach of a team, I can name them. If you pointed to some of these guys, I would have no clue who some of them are. Not going to lie. I mean, too, my man next to mike tomlin looks like he just got out of a coffin. I was the last time that he seen the sun.

This is the first time seen sun all year.

And then deal looks like you took all the son from him and just put back in the .

time you have been in kayo just some of .

the uptight poses my my .

dog amy reads trying to get skinny man and they got a space these .

look like to touch each other very much trying to keep the separation, the lake separation very um I mean you can tell that they're put a lot of conscious .

effort and to keep in that separated. Why they all .

have the exact coaches person that looks different really in their swag is shamika who for some reason, I mean, he looks just like every bad coach and every evil coach in ever any disney movie ever created. That's what trauma vay looks like in this photo, like, he looks like gorden bombay. When he turned bad, he got to look at too big for his breaches.

Coaching team.

you has say, or the .

those endorsements men.

or the coach .

and bomb bay, I want to know .

who we do. What is going on with macbook .

thi over there? Think it's I think it's just because .

he's at the end looks like he's wearing josh madani als sports he's .

got like a jack .

Nicholas .

said in court side of lakers games swag right that sports go .

is that things hang and all for dear life.

The shoulder stitching .

is is really hanging and on. I, he looks like Tommy boy or that guy in .

a little li.

His coaching in a van down by the river is andy read. Is that a haine shirt? I can't tell andy always.

Bill .

cbill, I mean, he looks the most comfortable of everyone.

Feel like, well, there's only two guys who are in shorts. Men shon pain at peaking, got the chest out.

He just sits some chest earlier that morning, supplies hands.

and then press hand on the news chest out. This is why we can do you shit live, Jason.

Do that might be the segment. We show players this picture and they after name each coach in this picture. What do you think is you over under that players are going be able to name half of them, half you go. Let's, let's give, let's give the .

travel skills. You try right now, the worst with names. But I can tell you, team OK.

I starting on the left.

charges. Standing up, sitting up. Stand up, stand up. charges. giants. San fran, the fuck. Is that. I don't I don't know the next two dealers.

That still as temper is that temper. Temple detroit.

no chance to get in this one zero percent chance.

No, no. Jets after gets nothing. I've never seen that man of my fucking life.

So good that I mean.

three in a row I have no two are every everybody be doing the change was open .

to cordura shame taking for the calls. Come on, travis.

Um who who's next dogg p who the you should know .

that one you should define ih .

know that meo who's the other one .

you should know him because he's arguably your biggest rival.

Oh, that is yeah that's since that's. not. That's coach.

Oh my god, this is so good.

I told you I was terrible with names. I even know that in the worst that Taylor, I knew a tea. that. Ck, sorry, coach Taylor.

we do to you.

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back to the left, you start on the right.

start and start starting right and going back like. Cubed fully. Again, never seen this fucking guy in my love.

What you don't know? Two equals, coaching I got and coaching James. Oh my god, is so good. I love what .

everybody right now miami had, dammit.

There's no way, men, there's no way. That guy coaches in the ana o man, then p carrel harbor. Yeah, I received no, the next five rever cubes. Pecos.

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I know that I know how much Better I could do.

Now let's move on to some, some free agency moves going on throughout the league. I know, I know the chiefs have been make us some moves. And we lost.

We lost a good last one of the good gas, which you guys, I lose me co hardmen. My brother went over to the new york jets micco the jet. Harman is now a playing ford. The jets is, he is who he plays for. When the fastest guys in the league, my Michelle man IT hurts to lose the good guys as man I miss already know the week .

the region is zoom is no more IT is .

no more man the only zoom left the only way you are .

part of the zoo m traf.

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I was a part of .

IT because I was on the field with them.

Jason, well, you guys also resign. Detect pillars, ins. Detect and byron cover.

not native love nauman.

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baby, the bell. Those are bringing in a back man.

the tightened snakes ready to go.

Oh yeah, we ve got, we got all the tights back in the room.

And I love if you talk to me, do anything about situation.

I have to see about the, I don't ask about that. I might have to ask there, the jets, because, and Rogers isn't the art there.

He is something I .

don't even know. Coaches, the jets? kidding. I know you just don't know his name.

Moving on to the eagles. The eagles signed stealers safety trial, adds the admins brothers. Another brother, yeah, I think is a trio. Actually, I think there's three hundred of brothers shut out to the brothers and league. The good brothers, as I like to call, says he fell in love with the culture of the of the dog mentality when he came for you. Yeah, you already know.

rocky, but don't you? Three yeah in .

court. I'm ready to come here and just give everything I got. You're joining the best team, the city so ah give you through resigned the lane Johnson to a deal i'm sorry this to a one one year I was like holiday next kids, that much money in one year, including thirty million dollars. Guarantee .

guarantee ed.

worth every frequency, worth every penny is the best .

right tackle in the league, arguably the best tackle all around in the league. You know he also said he wanted to retire an eagle lane and I have play over a decade together. So certainly happy that he's being compensated um for the player that he is and excited about there and playing on the year with i'm with you .

make with you that would be good to have back up back in the building. Yeah, maybe biggest eagles. Free agency news, though, is that everyone's trying to recruit Z Q L.

I zik trying to get him to come from the dark. That you guys are recruiting x cowboys. That's crazy. That's tampering ing.

You cannot tell her. Lay Johnson.

tweet the eyes and ogi big place today could .

mean anything. What is that?

It's like that's about as clear cut is right now.

You think so there. What if you did?

What if you send .

IT to a girl, a even .

mek male milk milk tweet at zek mek, come to the eagles down. Uh, great team and organization, good business men, to help further your future. Look at, look at, make out to hear tampering.

See you dog. I see you dog. And for all the really good .

players coming to the eagles, for sure, and zigs a really good player, I am not protected in the recruiting, but I guess I will now come to eagles with .

the excitement. Well, that's that's all we get for free agency though we do have one more. We, we the .

more Jackson incident was going on tweed monday. At the same time, john horgan was talking to the media he treated as of march second, I requested a trade from the ravens organization for which the ravines have not been interested in meeting my value. Any and everyone that has met or been around me know I love the game of foobar in my dream is to help the team win the super bowl. So this is reached def kind five over there.

And this are you the most? I am just unbaffled. I don't understand confused on how they haven't been able to get on the same terms.

Yeah I mean, it's hard to .

know at the MVP, the league former M B A. I mean.

like it's a generational talent um so it's it's a little concerned that they can figure some milk. I don't know what each side is. Ask before, obviously, of things that get leaked out, but you never know what to trust .

in these situations.

Is there the teams going to leak out their side? The player in his agent are going to leak out their side. So know it's hard to really know exactly .

what you have. An interesting Frances. It's a case. It's got the homework.

can Francis, who is running a homeworker fitness thing and side husband is the more jacklin dollar ages?

No way that is there. No way. There's no way. This is real, man. This is such a bizarre scenario worth .

commenting on the things that we don't know. So let's talk about what we do know. We do know the more Jackson is an insane athlete who has been very dominant in the nfl and with the right team is extremely dangerous. So what teams fit dom if he's not going to be important more where do you think the marketplace .

in the best man? I don't know. I want to go in my mind, I I want him to go somewhere in .

the NFC men, I .

just want see dog. The last thing I need is for the majority to go to like the raters or something you know mean like go to like Green bay. I like him in Green bay. Like him in Green bay. I like him in Green bay.

the befit. I really do think anybody that has run the shin a hand offence is probably going to be able to utilize lamar's legs and athleticism, do a lot of boots, get them outside the pocket, they're shown that they're able to adapt and do some of these read plays and and different things. So I think that I think that out war.

I think that's a huge knock on lamari. Now that he's not that pocket paster, I think he is made unbelievable strides in that regard. Watch like I will watch game film.

I'm not just like watching the TV. I'm watching game film because I like watching a mark Andrew. So i'm should sit down. I'm like mid he's pocket presence poys like he's like over the years has definitely developed that. So the knock that they're given him that he's not a pocket patters like he's he's making strides in that regard, with that being said. But I do think a shen offence is going to be more suit form anybody.

He is going to adjust their playbook and no matter you, no matter who IT is, no matter what kind of office of coach you have, you're going to adjust your playbook to who you have as weapons, as as players. So it's like, no, the whole system, Q, B things, whatever. Yes, he is the system.

Alright, alright.

Now you think where you think he's going?

I don't know where he's going. I know that the teams that I think would be able to utilize them the best for teams with great differences that will keep the game close, allow him to utilize the strength city has, which you is legs and is a unbelieved armstrong. You know, he's a dull through at courter back.

You don't want to make him one dimensional, which can happen if you get really far behind in the game and you're forced into a drop back passing game. So I know washington to say that they are not interested. I think the'd actually be a great fit. I hope you don't end up in washington because I think they have a good defense .

and lamar would fit in well.

My my falk's run a very, they run the all a lot. And what have you ever running quarterback that's going to pair up well with a running game? You know, sense, sense to have a good defense tightens. I can see, do well, but know they're kind of in a ob of a rebuild mode patridge see that happening.

Any like any coaches that are big on like time management, you you mean like like I feel like belly check version. Those guys are big on like art. I want my defense to be start in like I want my office.

They like take up a lot of time. You mean like I I my job is keep the other teams offends off the field. yes.

Yeah, you I mean, I think any team like that would be great for a guy like the martis step in because now yeah, yeah, he can. He's going to have a good defense time anytime you get to you know a quarter bag like that. Well, i'm just saying shit now because any any good .

any quoter back is appreciate a good .

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IT already. Players as we got this is turned into quite the segment. I think it's become one of the favorite ones on the social video, the take tax, the instagram, all the above people are appreciated this. Once we're .

going to keep doing IT, we're going to keep calling .

players as though I feel like we get .

some and what we we got a mike davila, players, cops, player cops, that I made a solid one. Mike is not .

very creative, but it's good.

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No, your role.

I think guess, I mean, that make that make sense. That makes sense. And i'm all about knowing your row.

I'm all about knowing your row. Blues central said, who's who? Which I like got to yeah who's .

who I like .

who's I feel like it's i've heard that before though.

who's? No, no, no.

no. We can't, can't. That's just no news. You are enough. I do. You like I, I like who's who is the one that I would like out of these suggestions, but I would say, kein common cause.

And how you like, who do you? Who do you?

Who do I get guys will be with that.

a butcher's thing. Brian Kelly, who?

Brian Kelly, brian, kill every time. Every time the bk will come in the locker.

you got a oop st. Pool pop book 发布 the best thing .

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Kelly was when they killed another game， or that kid from recruiting kid was in the back. We're going to ask.

kick in the first IT was half time. IT was a half time of southeast missouri.

Yes, we were going to ask him, but IT was a close game. worthless. We blown them out. Yeah, we go into the the half time .

locker room and bk is just rip in everybody defense. Get your head out of your ass. offence. You got to a do some ten gLances over at the corner. You like three kids.

There's like three kids over there, two and they're all they are all where in their jerseys, all of them are where their jerseys. And they're like getting like this this five star treatment to like be able to see what it's like at a since. And I bar cats half time game.

we one of the d case.

he's just mother fuck in every this in everybody's tale about, you know getting the shit going and he just breaks he'd like loses his focus on the game of what he's talking about and he sees this five, four, three hundred people kid, who in the fuck is fifty three? His faith .

with right.

see child, where he can just like like just trying to like hurry and like, just get him out of their man. Oh my gosh, who in the fuck is fifty three? I've never been able to look at the number fifty three the same.

I think, well, murder the players as segment. The first two segments, obviously, were categories that i've been a little bit more familiar than travis. So travis, you looked at all the suggestions regarding and came up with what we're doing this week.

What are we doing? We're doing players as, yeah, baby. Alcoholic beverages.

alcoholic beverage .

or not just beers? No, not just copy alcoholic beverage. Baby.

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the skill to not added that this is about to be the mainly st. drink. You can think stealers lost was a steel reserve.

steel reserve baby.

yeah, the steel curtain baby.

you know, I mean, he has had to look like .

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I don't know .

why I think he were just looks like he could just drink anyone under the table. I will .

know why .

we probably .

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I try that out? Who we got is a guy like, what's lane Johnson?

Lane john? I think lane lane does one of the best turkles i've ever heard of my life. Like it's just like a turkey I go a wild turkey from the main line fits some .

personality is so fitting. Yeah, he definitely drinks ild turkey. He looks like he drinks wild turkey and like big drinker.

I think child turkey personality, sure we got march on linch .

hennesy all day hennesy baby, all he used like take shots, a hennesy before.

I think that's why I worked. I put that exact same .

room in his veins.

Yes, I think you might have actually said that himself. Let's go. If grant .

was grank was an alcoholic beverage .

for a local .

original, the original for local, the one that was kind of a not safe.

That's right. If you're big enough and crazy enough, IT made a super .

ho turn. You turn you in for locals.

for you were about to do some shopping for hours. You never even get.

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me A E A guy.

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high noon. Why high noon? I like, I knew good.

I can't do anything, baka man.

and you can't do vacca like the easiest one.

Why can you do crazy? Men, I know, like every time I drink vog, I D just like I turned into a different person. Voyez, it's like, mission, want to change, smoke cigarettes.

And just like. Throw bottles against the wall. I don't know. I just did turn me to different heating. No, I don't.

That's so I say I don't .

dream I go either. So I did to feel like those two go on a hand size and boker are like the same thing to me.

I've never heard of welcome turn in people. And well, I guess .

I was not.

I have to kila making people crazy, whisky, making people angry. How about just what's .

josh Allen was? My a josh Allen?

Josh, well, you got ta go. I mean, he's you got to go with a pretty standard beer to go with a little more kick to its i'm going to go with a native ice going .

to look .

at the edge to one plays up in buffalo. Where's very icon cold? He's a natural native ice.

We like native ice is like the pre game to like somebody going through a table like.

you know me yeah if you got nadi I said the party sometimes get Brown. No question.

about one hundred percent.

Something is going to a door, a windows get broken.

There's going to be a hole on the floor. Yeah, there's going be a fire at some point. There's going to be some type of fire.

You are going to have to use the native ice to put IT out just in herbert.

There's only one that's fitting and its its screaming at me, right? I'm mikes hard lemonade.

Why mike's heart would you feel .

in the my art? Don't say like it's a bad drink either, because I I will show .

a my hard limit right now. Why is why did mike and always get like the unmanly cash then like White claw is like acceptable. Like at some .

point of all of these .

fruity drinks were not acceptable. Accept mad dog john twenty, at some point all of these three ty drinks obviously became like Normal to drink. But they used to be like, what do you a drink of mix are eliminated for how we love doing these players as segments.

But you do. We need next year, we need you to keep sending your suggestions, starting to run on the topic, and we'd love to keep this set me going. So please a, keep a making this show successful in .

fun through the you already .

let's get to the high rose in interview. You guys are really going to enjoy this very rare. Does a, uh, general manager be as open and honest rosen was in this interview, so please enjoy oh yeah, by the way, this interviewer was brought to you by accelerator, energy, drink.

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Our guess right now is the two time pro football writers of america, executive of the year, the architect of the first super ball and eagles history, and the man of called sanctions. As which is weird, I feel like .

that of religious thing you .

were be you look like I did I don't .

know I I can tell Christan I like presents.

You know he was draft. There was a lot like Christmas feel like last year. So anyways, our first gas are our guess right now is general manager, executive vice president.

how eros man? What's man?

How's IT going? Thanks for come. And I feel the very facial hand .

sic one sports the cast .

in the world. Wo I didn't know.

you know, I haven't. I don't know my feelings towards that because I have ulterior motives with you at all times.

You know this. But if i'll announced IT right now, if you tell us who we're picking in the first room.

who's won't be there, I don't see that's not fair. That's not apple s. So if we got to make a deal, like you're going to promise me at the ten pic, you won't more deal.

we can make a deal something OK?

Or do makers, did I only come on here because of this? No, I came on here because I love talking to you and I love talking about football and you have the same passion and so for me, like I was honor that you asked me to come on and I talk you about anything.

anytime I man we before we get to this season in the draft and everything so about last season, obviously everything went really well. Um were the only team in initial history to go to the street ball, win a super ball and then be back within five years with a different head coach.

And a new starting point about how does that process take place? Like is there a point where you're in rebuild mode and then compete for a suit? Subtle mode do you believe in like real seasons?

I I, I feel like at the end of the day, there's a teen rebuilding and retooling. And I think one of the best things that is painful at the time, and you know, this is painful, is that when you have terrible years like we had in two thousand and twelve, you know, with everything that happened with coffee and what we went through that year or when we had the year and cove IT with coach peers and feel terrible about how that happened.

But when you bottom out like that, IT actually allows you to flip IT quicker. Because if you just have a year where you win six, seven, eight games and you're picking in the middle the draft, it's hard to really change your team when you're picking. And we had the fourth pick in the two thousand and thirteen draft and we got lane, you change our team? Yes, you know, then we come back in the second round and we got zack change our team, right? Because you're not picking at the top of the first time, you're pickup at the top of every round.

是。 And so for us, that moment changed our team, right, the free age we signed at that moment, and we're able to do IT quicker now not the same level we did IT this year two thousand twelve, the seven, five, five years. I think IT was, yeah, that is five years, but that is crazy.

And then the same thing happened when we had a terrible year in two thousand and twenty, while we pick sex. What that allow us to do that allows to tray back to thirteen and next the first round PC. Yeah right.

Kind of make some of these moves. And for me, I mean, especially in our market, like there is no rebuilding like as quickly as we can to be a champion teen. That's the goal.

As quit, I was almost a chAllenging me like I felt like when I came back in 10 and like the team was in a different place in fifteen。 We had so many independent contractors on the two thousand fifty from a fark I was in his time in that year. You know.

I love to that.

And so like I anna came back and you start looking at those guys. I we got a lot of guys that aren't eagles, you know that don't really fit who we are and what we're looking for. And we're fortunate to turn around in two years.

And I remember after twenty, you know, someone saying lays this can be three or four years and i'm going, I don't have that time you we're trying to be possible so I remember told my staff like, here's the chAllenge. Let's do IT quicker than we did IT sixteen and seventeen. yeah.

And how could we do IT what we have a bunch of these assets that we can use to help us get a bunch of players. And so you can get a little lucky you to be able to be in a situation, then get know you got be a little lucky that people land and should have been the first from pic and he goes the same injury history. And so you get a guy like that.

And I think you know the opportunity, obviously, last year, the off season, a certain things kind of fell our way. You know, obviously, the age is a huge part of IT, but bribery out there, trying to be out there. You know, her son, our vision of her son, their Price ship in twenty teams on her son, you know, and also him being from there.

So you know, I think for us, you got to be a little bit lucky. Two, in those moments, I just the word rebuild. I can't rose me in the wrong way. We're about competing. And so how do you say that you're how do you .

tell players isn't .

t you can get a culture like that? I feel like this. How do you turn IT back on? How do you tell is great players like it's going to take us two to three years and then say.

now we're ready now all of a care extra heart about, yeah, we just touch on independent contracts. I feel this is a good spot winner. So but has the model of building a team evolving? I feel like when I first came in the league, everything was have to build to the draft, right? Like you have to draft well, if you want to build a change the team well we've seen IT not only what we've done a building do both but um making good smart acquisitions and presidency uh getting value you saw with the rams last year like has a kind of change the model for billion GPT.

Yeah and I think this and I feel really strongly about this, I don't think what we did in seventeen was the same thing we did in two OK.

And I don't think like like one ask me are you are about teams coping strategy? And for me, it's like IT reminds me of the seahawks defense in the two thousand and and eleven and twelve thirteen, right? They are running cover three and they had all these long press corners and all the defense corners were going head coaching jobs yeah and when you look at like Richard chairman and richman, they drive fifth, right? So they were drafting guys that people like me, we're looking and going, this guy, six to two, ten, he can change direction.

He, he's not fluid enough to stay with receivers. A man coverage. And those guys are run in four fives yeah, the josh Norman types of the Richard chairman types here and they're taking them in the fifth around. And those guys are playing well, especially that scheme once they started getting coaches from that scheme about guys. And yes.

they had a bunch of head coaches .

here and now of sun guys are taking those same players in the first and second round, lost your competitive.

And so for me, it's like the minute that you've gotta figure out and do not think we do this, but you gotta figure out like where where is going, almost like you got get in front of IT, you got to take a chance and say, are right, if i'm doing the same thing, everything everyone's going to do, i'm probably losing any competitive advantage, right? Those guys are going. I mean, it's like undersize. I mean, really I am not saying this going going to show you changed how people looked at at centers and international people started same like I stand leverage Better because of you. I understand space play because of you and how what you can do for your offence and so for that those guys, I mean, you saw like in last year s draft, like an undersize center .

one in the first, second, around and boat. Those guys go high. And that was before when else was something nobody drafted in underwater in front. No doubt that maybe clear might be one example. But yeah.

and I think IT changed that. And so the end of the day, the same thing like we did IT when where a court read those edge guys like the train goals, they were two hundred and fifty pounds. Like nobody wanted those guys. Everyone wanted two hundred and seventy five pound guys and then team started to win like that. He had do marvell, and you had really the cults and freni and being so like not take these guys in the first yeah and you lost kind of that advantage of knowing I could take these guys in third forth and fifth around because people are going to go these guys are too small. And so what we got to figure out is like, all right, like you know or don't try to pay jAiling, no doubt about IT, I want to pay jailed. And so it's not going to be the same where we can just plug for agents and and grab those guys and pale e, and that doesn't mean we can be really good, but we got to just change and get out ahead of IT and go right like where where can we actually really improve the team and positions that. Really mattered to us without kind of being in the sense where where we can, where we get twenty teams on the same gas.

sure. So you trying to find these guys that you think will bring immense value to the eagles team and what we're doing that other teams really are unaware of how that unique player maybe could benefit their team and we could be wrong.

And i'll give an example, you know, last year going through the draft, you know my perspective was Jordan Davis ten years ago would have been a top three pic. agree. And so you're going through IT and you, why why is this guy falling? right? And everyone's going present of the time, George.

You know, the guy won and the outland trophy was top ten. And in the heist man trophy with the best defense in the country that won the national champion game. And so you going, what are you miss freak show? What do we miss? Good character is for captain George amounts with someone yesterday who said, unbelieved leader, one of the games we've lost this year who is at the front of locked .

room great and .

everyone ah is got unbelieved personality yeah believe a personality and so you what is .

going on here and it's he can play on third down.

I know how you stopping that. And so it's like that to me was a situation where it's like are why is playing forty fifty percent and plays well, really look at the games the George was in last year. They were win in forty two to seven in the third quarter of most of those games. And then they're smart theyve. All these five star recruit .

these unbelievable players. We need to utilize all of them so that everybody y's vironment .

lose a year from now and join.

And in the close games in .

the national champs, he spined sixty percent of the. And so for when I look at that, i'm going, man, like that's an opportunity, right? Like this guy we love alone.

And d lemon, right? It's not hard figure out which is ironic, right? Like this, one hundred and twenty five pound guys messed with.

And d lemon, right? object. And I mean, who do I love? right?

Doms back here, right? And all you .

think about the guys who left and A G M G M jobs, like what were they all on and right? So I think for for us, it's like we got to figure out where that now we don't have over think IT if there's a freking great player, ten that plays a opposition and you're just like art, we're pick ten. I don't think it's that confusing there. I think it's as you go through the draft, as you go through free agency, I think just I said this yesterday, I can try to zig a little bit when people are egg and you know and and just try to stay ahead of IT because it's so hard to be like this belka of like the league set up based on cap and picks that they really want everyone to be nine and eight and for eight and nine. And you just have that company. And so I think if you want to really be great here, you almost have to take chances that maybe don't work out thousand, two thousand, two thousand, twenty, you know where kind of falls and you go, oh, shit like that was really bad yeah but at least if that happens and you're here, will you get a chance to reset IT a little bit because you're not go on six and .

that makes a lot of sense. So you're taking chances because if they pay out, the reward is high. And if that doesn't pay out to say, well, at least we get good assets .

that then continue to be who want any really. And and I think about this, and I got to say this, and I said this due after the suitable like when you came back last year, like you trusted yeah you trusted you weren't coming back to go nine in eight and losing the first round again. And at the time you made that commitment, you didn't know you didn't know how was gonna and was good.

I was turning about IT.

And I think at the end of the day, like that trust from our players, you know, from our our staff, from our coaches, from jeffrey, that to me, that's IT to me, you know that my responsibility. And so like when you say that, I don't think you think about at that way, which I understand your humble but I go like I got ta make this guy feel like i'm doing for him what he's doing for .

me yeah well, I do feel that the last year, the entire the all season, when you could tell that we were building to try and do what we did compete your able do you think that because I mean, the moves you've made in free agency in in getting rid of contracts at certain points when I was necessary. Like do you think other teams are afraid to take high rose's man calls right now.

Do you think you're you're like how do want like what happen with tennessee, right? Are other gms now going to be like i'm onna. Tread a little bit more carefully if i'm deal with how because .

you I hope not. I really do because you know, the end of the day, everything doing I legally like there is a maternity with gm, especially the guys who have been around the long time, which is in a lot of these guys like you don't want want to freak, lose their job, bi guys to make a lot of money.

I mean, it's like this, I say all the time, like my best friend in the world since on five years old know he's a barat, he's a freak phenomenon athlete. But when I do anything with him, whether i'm my playing back, where we play basketball or whatever sports was like, I wanted to kick his ass, you know. But when we stop doing that, he's my best so cared about.

So like, I want to find win situation I really did like I want feel like, you know, at the end of the day, like a word, and maybe just work now at the end of the day, like I don't some bad of trades, like I can think one right right now i'm talking about terrible trade that I and in this like they have to say yes, right? I'm not like I don't have anything over anyone. Like i'm out, like I don't have some j mtrc that it's just like you will do. That so it's like to me, it's like it's a little fair you and yeah, i'm trying do what's best for our team yeah care about apples and I care about is being good because I want to freak win. But then the day every time I get off those calls, I feel like the other team, I much the opposite, going, what do I know?

You sure parties are proba guarded a little, but you to make sure you, I think.

I think, I think it's it's, it's all cyc, you know this, i'll make some stupid us move, like I always do and then they'll go, yeah we can take I am curious .

about this how how does that process take place? Because i've never been for agency like or been traded yet. Um how does how does the trade mark like like .

this about trade? 他 这个 这 这是 这 是个。

And then I I be able to .

walk back into the city eld. No no. But how like so .

I feel free not to answer this, but like the AJ round trade, how do you find out that this is a guide is available? Like is that released by their front office? Is that his egypt kind of saying? Like IT doesn't look like deals going to get done. There's a chance they're looking to shop. Like I ve always been curious, like when they say.

like x team is shopping x player, what does that mean? I think the one thing that good but I do have one quality that I can't deny and that is I am relentless, like freaking relentless. And and that doesn't depends how comes off pends.

what comes competing for world .

champion chips, I think is a good today. So and so for me, I am so scared. I think like part of what you have and I think I have is there's an insecurity that you're not going to be great, right?

Yeah, I think that's really like anyone in fifteen when I met with like these business leaders and stuff like they all have this like insecurity that it's gonna and by and they're not to be great. It's not like you feel like we want a superball. Everything is like I worry my legacy said it's the opposite.

I feel feel like so worried that someone's going to be available that I don't know about. I see a trade or a move made, and I didn't know about IT done. And so for me, that drives me.

So what you try to do, you just like the information part of this, is like talking to these guys, these games, just like, i'm open anything, you know, like we're looking for these positions, but I opened anything. And honestly, like, I know it's gona cost a lot, but don't be afraid to ask me because I may do IT you know. And I think the more you can do that, the more opportunities come about.

And I really do IT because petrified of waking up one morning and seeing asia Brown traded to you, pick the team. I would pick the team, and I won't done that trade. 是。 And then how do I explain that? How to explain that to our pires? How do I explain to jeffrey how plain to our coaching staff? And so I think that part of making sure, like I am trying to speak to every single guy and saying, like, don't throw out an idea, throw an I tell me what you do like this, what we're looking for anything. The only thing that helps with is you just kind of have options. Okay, yes, to get .

laughed out a lot. We out of time will come back. perfect. thanks. So if you think that wraps up the how we interview you're on, that's only a part one, how we loved doing IT so much. He did IT for twenty minutes, had to leave and offered to come back and did another forty minutes.

So here's the second half, baby.

We were back with how we had a obviously busy guy, the combine, but he was generous enough to come back. So thank you for that. And I were going to have rosbif part .

two sequel, sequel rocky rocket four is good.

which which .

your favorite rocky three same yeah .

I tell people 的 时候 他 耳 听。 Growing up, I like rocky one the most and the rocky force, I got a guilty pleasure, just like it's ridiculous in the .

best way possible IT is and that but there's always that moment where, like, you know, at the end, when he talks, we can change and then seems like freking crime.

And you just like the world.

I know, I know, I know, I think at all the time, anytime someone's like and like relationship issues, i'm like freak rock and rug change the world. We can do this .

like .

it's a real van. Well, in philly, rocky is a real person .

IT that you and I do think you know, there are people that don't think that statue you should be up because it's like a fictional character, but he embodies the city so well. Like what's wrong with to be any fictional because his fictional doesn't mean it's not like a great .

thing where little bit fictional characters and sometimes like, I mean, it's your Kelsey. You're not like Jason this husband, this father you're freaking Kelsey, right? And like I don't I feel like i'm just freking howly.

You know like like me, I mean, like ten your kids on how who we going to draw. It's mr. Rosman r fro. And I think that's one of the beauties of films. I it's all of these like characters that are real life personalities.

That said that this next section really well thought of your fans. So we've been here pretty much well as as A G M. I've been here here four yeah two thousand and ten. So i've been here for, uh, your entire genesis of Youngest gm, I think in the history, the nfl to obviously chip Kelly area then coming out of that to winning a superb with dog Peterson, to then being mind and kind of yeah and but then to research again this year, what is his relationship with?

I feel like the fans are so passion, so die hard, like they can say whatever they want us. But I felt, feel like if if I, if I walk in indian apple right now and their fans are you and me and our fans saw that they would have my back, 不是 a hundred percent， but so they could say to us, but nobody else can.

you fans will defend pretty much body.

I also understand that at some point, hopefully far, far in the future, i'll began and people will be compared to me. Know, because we have success, you know, because the players that we have in, the coaches that we have. And so I feel like that one area, and I say i've had less than thought on now probably I think of my chAllenging people. I've had less than five bad interactions with our fans even in the worst of times. But I think from my perspective, that motivates me, that chAllenges me because I understand they're such a high standard and such a high expectation that I got to be on my game all time like I don't know how i'd be five in a market where was like, yeah so they want five games, two years .

and gay the same.

I think I will be in that situation and .

there's been multiple guys that have left legal organization and i've asked them like what because i've never been anywhere else .

and I like just just get that what does .

he like to play for such as such i'm like a named these other organza but the like man, there is way less stress, there's wait, less sense of urgency, like it's just not as like so much when to lose mentality or like liver die like these extremes. I felt like I wasn't feel and I think the fans for sure play a role in that as as the media and that level of like attention and care that they have. The organization and how well the eagles are playing has for sure, I think, impacted the sense of urgency that we have as members of the organza. I didn't think before I playing the n felt I didn't realize, I think, how much fans impact in the city, the mentality and of the overall culture that the team has.

And I think think that was a big part in I, I.

I yeah well, I think he works in in all of those. You get the extremes of IT and when it's not working out, you're going be let no one.

And conversely, nick, I talked about that like, I think when you're good, you don't want to listen to IT because they will they they will pump p you up and love on you just as hard as you can be hated in the land in the city but when they are loving up on you, that's also the extreme like world is actually okay. Listen, i'm plane really well, but there's all these other reasons why that happening. And if I don't stay focus on that, that will change really, really quick. And that kind of just being to field of aix .

because one of foreign layers, I wonder IT was and know he went to know another team in a smaller and and I remember him tell me story about, like first friday night of the season, he goes out and gets all dressed up and puts the sunglasses on and goes to like a club, know, in a hotel and he's like, I was like, anyone notice you you guys? No one, any idea yeah and it's like I don't know that there's .

could be nice at times, may be over dinner. Yes.

is no doubt about that. I think at the same time, it's like I feel like that what makes IT special is that, that I think IT does raise of our levels to some extent. I think you know the end day, like you've down to wherever you are, you be a great play wherever you are. But I think IT can't IT gets us going because of the intention in the energy that IT takes and knowing that when you win, it's even Better.

Yeah agree.

I think for you and I you know like there is a point where we're competitive, you know and you and you hear stuff and you want to say fuck you.

Is always going to be pretty much that right, somebody hit you. And the stuff that urts the most, for me at least, is when it's true, when they're right, when somebody saying something that doesn't make sense or is ridiculous, it's like you, this guy, whatever IT but when something is said, when deep down you're like men, you're right, like, I am struggling with this.

Your initial reaction is to be meant if you are done with that, but then the people that can come back down and me, okay, what does this? Is this actually right? Do I really need to improve in this area? Like we've said before, I think that's a big part of what's a driven in this organization and team.

And although you don't want to hear at times and sucks and i've been a part of that as have you and anybody else put in the city like we said at the right of passage of philadelphy, IT brings a power growth. And ultimately, it's it's good for you. I think if you can if you can use the conservative here because guys.

I can do that yeah and and it's natural to play the paris game and start going like, are you're on me about this? What about the other people in this way you have and done this sort of thing and that's not healthy either. I think at the end of the day, I think you get to a point where you understands and like, you know, i'm thinking about to myself, anyway, i'm trying to do Better anyway like I know what I mess a draft pack like I know I did.

You no doubt that I know what I make a bad move until, you know, you get reminded about IT and just like, right, I got to make up for this five fall, you know and then you wanted do that and I think and and at the end of the day, I don't know that i've purely processed what happened a couple weeks. You like, I don't have have had a real chance to. I guess you process is you know .

and deny I took .

place no altha. I think the dinner would be out at this point for me. I think that part of IT is because we went through IT and saw how so that was yeah and how would affected so many people I think even more so like I was I wanted IT for me, you know, you wanted to for yourself.

But just to have people like on our team, I I thought think about guys on our team. We have been gone through some of the coaches net and just how special was and you kind like want them to seek to feel that. And that's what drives me really because knowing that that celebration, how fex people and even you know this, why people will come up to you and say thank you now to this day.

it's forever cemented when you do win IT. So I would have obviously been unbelievable that team in that group that we had last year because IT was a special year, was a special team that was put together. IT does suck for those guys and not being a part of IT ah do not have that.

Do you think it's is that you happen?

I think so officially is easier. But I think like you just said, that team didn't have one. And when you when you're plan in a season, you really get wrapped up, but that those guys, those coaches, that group and you want to have IT so much for each other at the end of day because so much work has been put in you so much hard work and in perseverance and dedication and put in. And I think IT IT really ah it's just that even though I personally have on and I have that to shish with that seventeen season, we both do you know not having that with this scrip guys before because the team going to be be different .

than and so funny when you're saying that thinking about the group, I was thinking a little ten minutes ago. I get a call from style ready this all goes are you do with the for in podcast and the folking media and you ready to find for in plays is what you can be do in the rest.

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I like the third everything ready back .

our and plaining .

to him. And I do IT kali. I you like trying to rationalized. I've done two hundred and ten reports on college.

Guys, as you want to talk about the office, you need to catch up. Fucking kid in a box. Me too, me tell you about about speaking .

of doing reports. Do you remember what my report was at the combine? I have been back here since here, I an outside of playing.

But yeah, what was, what was my scary report? What major guys draft me? How many draft boards as I taken off of the moment? I wait two and eighty pounds.

Oh, I think who is that puts the combination of intense anger that you wanted to be the shit out of everyone within five miles from you at the time was at least the reputation, right? yeah. And you know, I think we can tell the story without really telling the story of our mud, you know.

And great, great know for me personally A A great man and somebody who really helped me with a value offence. Lima, and really when you think about IT, like we we transition, you know, we had one steal and then power came in and and he was totally different. You know, with one we were looking for size and link and power and and how came in and he said, I want IT that, you know.

And so what we really had to do, we had to watch guys together. And for us, a change from that to explosively athleticism, instinct of vision on the field, like you have a lead vision. I mean, talked about this few years go like for me, I never thought of offence alim like that. And you know, when we are going through this process, you know, we had in the fourth front, you know, the front, yeah.

why do honestly embarrass .

the because you think in the first part, and we are wrong about that. And we had IT because at the time, like we talked about before, I nobody at that time really looked like you. nobody. And you will convert the line backer, right? I remember you played a .

freshman year as line backer.

And they.

Just got the dick bucket because I was sixty and had only four.

So like I have remember like so you know how I have this way about very charme. I'm fucking telling you how I. So but we liked you.

And at the same time, we knew new york kind of alf half the words in the league. And so I think I get we are tally excited to get you and draft you there. And then you can then we look, you know and so we didn't get anyone. And so what I remember about that is we were, you know, I can picture where I am at certain times and I can picture we were two weeks into practice and i'm on the side of the cafeteria like before the line were were to wraps around and i'm like walking out with food and he grabbed me and he's like, he he's starting and two .

years and in .

two weeks and and two weeks in no offices program yeah and he's like, he's starting and I get great. What do you think and you like with three because we have two road games play acting, those at ana.

yeah the road .

in domes and he's like we beating Lewis and IT was actually a sign things to come because IT IT wasn't clean. And in later we should have one. D, R, C, made this pick.

And then mike got hurt. T, he ran into tide. He got knocked out. cafe.

Ka, came in. Yeah, some trap. I think we tried to want a trap. Play the hand off. Got fumble because IT wasn't think that.

And then then we lost like, we lost like five. And rose sanford, runny Brown, tried to row the path we lost in buffalo, jumped, trying to get the ball back. It's .

razi how much so?

So I was like that, you know, playing in, done, probably heart to started rocky under the first two games when you have an off season programme and like, don't even start with me. He's starting week one and this guy I remember and so clearly he's like, this guy is going to be the captain of your team and your best player I don't want that's also not but you have to start on the road and .

and .

and he was like, yeah, he's freeze and then he was just like he and you really right away were a good liar like I didn't take you long like there was no transition, which really when you think about the art of like great players in this league, like you seat that you're not maybe you're in but you see the flashes like you see right away and and just like an active code. Re dog prefer two because code was in trust .

to trust because jamal had played a lot of football. Yeah, like IT wasn't. Like IT was me. For somebody who was unproven, like jam played a lot.

And if I remember correctly, we had given him an extension like a year two before. And and and for us, IT was more none as so that we had the need IT was that you had. And really, I really started how we draft IT off and alarming, because really IT went into the explosive athleticism, the short channel, you, this having guys on office who were lead athletes to match up with our skill position, guys.

And I really, when you see what's gone on the league, how IT was ahead of IT, I like to say, mean, but really got to give him credit because the league wasn't really there. I do remember in the draft room, guys are going on just time. He may fight half the team.

And the coming us.

he likes the party. He really likes the party. All these .

active research is all this is accurate.

And you know, my anytime I like a guy, you know our skies can like I, just like at some point I just going take in my way, but I try to build the like. At the end of the day, what are we talking about? What time about college kids? Like, I think we judge these days in separate conversation. We judge him like where hypocrites about IT like we look through IT like.

be like thirty years old with the family. What you, why wouldn't .

you take a venge of your opportunities to have fun and you're breaking college and take a the moments to beat your friends and be a low freaking crazy?

Because IT doesn't last.

facing healthy. And how I rosman n on college ers.

Has your view of office. So you said how to change that? Is that change even from them? Like what are you looking forward? offence?

Well, it's interesting because then a kind of a kind of switched again when I came back in sixteen and what I felt like was and I went into after a little bit because what I said was, okay, if everything is just like when you're building a wife sy records or skill position guys like why was A J perfect? We had the one that we had dallas quiz, had a role like we needed that power forward on the outside.

We had IT on the inside with that us, but we needed that body tied, that kind of player who can win one or one, who can win on a sand, who can kind of the outshone role, right? I were a lot from that outside. I learned a lot from that team with the bigger body back running back, right? And so what I felt was okay, if you're going to have these a lead athlete on the outside and at center, you Better be firm in the middle around that so that you can allow Jason to be able to get on the move and these guys .

to play firm. I'd and like my math, I did that when I was Younger. I'd have been so much Better like if like I got a way with so much stuff early in my career because I was even I was understands that was a pretty strong guy for being undersize.

And like I I look back and like, I like, I like both hands outside on like a play. Hi, i'm not like my stance. I can't gain ground like my first of like all these little things that I didn't need to do to succeed.

Then as I got older especially and sixteen became a paris blocking dani shelton and i'm out here and like sixty pounds later than the sky and i'm trying to blocking with hands outside, there's no chance i'm going to be able to do that and credit to start especially by being like, no, you can do this, just stop doing this. You need here and you have power and I mean, any center I friendly believe this is going to look good next to Brandon Brooks. Like, that's how good Brandon was. Stephen was a new sky was not only A A physical guy, but he was smart. We had a really, really good room that following year that allowed me to play my best, or tackles to play at their best.

So I know lowed us to grow. Yeah, he gave him the opportunity to get a little bit stronger because we force fed him that first year we a one pic is got to go play. Ah know that wasn't really fair to him.

I gave him an opportunity that I think that's one of the the things that I haven't filly that not every gm has is like we're watching college of and allama is style. And I know if they have the right mentality, if they have the right traits in their body and they have technique issues, they're going to be fine. And you you, you know that they're going to be developed, you know and so like i'm i'm thinking about, you say that know before I left, you know, like walk back and go to place and I, I, you see this great.

I want change IT right there. You know and I know you know I and I think for me what that as what changes is like, I want to have and you know, I mean, we went through the draft process last year and we can like we went through IT together and I I and you to me, you you can do that, but it's gotta be like a starting five on your wall team, like everyone has to complement each other. And that's why like landing was so big for us getting him because those he's rare. He he's got a or .

guard Better athlete than people realized. No, he's very, very big and strong. But you seem Operate in spain. I mean, like I for, I mean, what does you were three, fifty, three, somebody, the three forty maybe. And but for his size, you don't see guys that move like that very often and that's expose .

those guys are a super rare thing about and I be in in your take is like because of proba stuff like pocket, you know, but like because of social media players aren't the same as they were ten years ago. OK and london has unique football. K character.

Yeah, I landon loves football. He loves football. He loves practicing football. He loves being in the building all the time. And I think the more guys you have like that, that are learning from guys like you and lane and understand that gives them an opportunity to be great as supposed to be in like pretty good players, you know, because of how much they care. And when you go through IT and and you kind of go and and go, well, know we go through all these questionnaire, got what do you love to video, video ames, you know, like it's unbelievable how many I not, I get IT, you know, I like the video games.

You know, take is right.

take Jackson was cheating in that, but I think I like that that's another part of he fits right. And we have we have a team culture, and then we have online culture. And the online culture drives.

I appreciate in that we do have a really, really good room. We have had a good room. We had great people and a great coach. You talk a little bit about guys and what they did in their Younger and like guys wanted to be a play video games. Uh, there was interesting articles that have come out about you recently that I didn't know what true is IT true that when you were nine or ten years old, you knew you want to be A G. M.

I did. I wanted to be enough .

of a quarter because too many S. I.

Of a psychopath. I, to be fair, I did. I did want to play.

And I used to go and and all my friends around me played and and I wrestled at one hundred and fifty pounds. So no, I mean, that was a, that was a seat. And I go, and my friends will come on football.

And I bet I am there and know, I still thought I you've see me practice time. I still think I have a ken, you know, I still think I could play like may've, go back and use one of my years of available ability. But I kind of figured out quickly like that I that I wasn't going to happen.

And I loved IT and I wasn't because of anyone. I knew anyone around me. He was almost like, I felt like, I was like, put on this earth to do this.

And I was so determined to go in that direction. I didn't have any other path. And so I started ted writing letters, like when I was fourteen years old to every team in the league, and I do IT like three times year.

And then as I got talking, my gu and I, I do you like four times year, and i'll just get just rejection, rejection, rejection, like puck from the four of the ceiling and I didn't. And I think that that part of IT was like, I didn't care like right fricking color job. I'll take out the one.

I didn't have a back up plan and IT was harder because there was no way to connect with people. So i've really had to like, almost speed, like a stalker, you know, and to try to find people. And so I feel like I was lucky that I had this direction.

Like, I knew what I wanted to do. And so like, I would go. I'd watch you saturday tool. Like you no books and I D call and class and be build a roster or like i'd see a play and I didn't really want coach, but i'd see a play and i'd write IT down and I have like no books like I have in my house, like no books, no books like of stuff like that and it's I think about IT.

It's like I cyc.

but I I did feel that I felt a deep inside like this is this is what i'm going to do and I didn't know I don't know anyone, you know, remember of people will eye freking those andy reading .

joe banner and jeffrey. I .

don't know my time. I was a prodigy tor of the jets. He basically, he called me, and I was in new york.

I was on a form osw. And I was like, love color ideas before. That is like new jets, foobar club.

And now i've been rejected for so long at that time is like my second year and lost, but no idea was going to do you and picked up on my what's hello, you know, it's the jets of time for my town. I think IT was like, who the fuck is this? This is not funny.

Like you and you have time for my talent and he basically just said, you know, like, i'm looking for in in turn and i'm going through my resume. At that time, I went on computers for one hundred and ninety and nine and yeah, I said, every single I resume, I locally have a rejection like a thank you for me rejecting you next time. I thank you for taking the time reacting me came mr.

time. Thank you've just, you know and so he's like, I don't know if I can help you, but i'll i'll do a phone interview with you and then he brought me in and I interviewed the car cells then might basically call joke because I guess they had a writing joke about and said, interviewed the freaks and crazy guy. And if you have a job in a row and two hundred a week, seven months, and I like, oh, deal, deal.

And then the best car was at the end of the year, like I know job and he didn't make any promises. So like a two thousand season, and I go in and like more than I am, and he goes, I go, hey, where do I stand? You know, my full time job here or something, twenty five years old, and I am still thinking about.

And then was like the beginning of IT. And he was, you know, andy had just started, and we had moved to nova, rebuild in a stadium. Now, time and lives, everything.

And I just think I got at the right time, and what the right people, and, you know, we do this night here, time hacking R. G, M, for me and great guys, so influential career, he passed away a couple years ago. We used to come here and he's after every night of entry, come on.

We're going on out. We're going on out. Well, go out. And he's picked this. The whistle stop. Am I giving an advertising to a place that delete? And it's smoke and it's terrible and we'd have to go there.

And so we have a night here at the combined area where we all go all over from. And IT IT was awesome because andy staff had like ten head coaches here and then our personnel staff ended up having like seven gms. And IT was like, I don't know what it's like to work anywhere else, but that was all these people who were freaking supercomputing tive with each other too.

Like IT was like, like who's who's, who's moving up first, who's getting this? And we all continue be friends for this day. But IT IT was like, everyone was like, because we a lot of success with coal earlier.

Absolutely welcome to the N F, L .

moment. My welcome.

Do you have we all the players?

Yeah what you're welcome to the f moment. So I got actually so um you know I came in and my first real full season with two thousand and we made the playoff s and then we went to chat again two thousand one one of the champion game in two thousand two um in two thousand and we lost to seen those seen those is the grey show on terrific we played really well. Try vents to get hurt during the week book got hurt at the end of the first half.

He is doing really well. We lost the game, pride of Better team next year. IT was the last game of the vet. We played tampa.

We come out and that when to get her mister bunchy games that year, we come out and prime minister turns the open and cake like fifty ards next quite duse takes IT like fifty to the house, the whole stadium shaking like I can feel IT in press. But and we end in forty and seven takes like a seventy seven to the house. Family bar picks one off for six, only lose in the next year.

We played Caroline at home in the champignon wners and gets herpes punctions a red like in the first quarter. Court demo comes and we lose to Caroline. And so the next year we signed T O.

We signed of on curse go super role, we lose in the suburb. And then the next year coming back, you have to lose in. There was an issue of teo, you know probably heard about IT yeah, some set up. And IT was awful that year.

You know we end up five and eleven and um just badge your doomy got her tio suspended until andy basically says, hey, let everyone tired everyone's freking exhausted like let's take two weeks and well, we convey more of plenty time to talk about the team really of series longer than IT is now at the time I traveling a little bit on the road like and like I was going go to flour and go to miami for couple of days. Get some song of my face and and I get upgrade oh my man, maybe things are alternate a little bit. And so, you know, again, the plane and and the park, we're just waiting for one passenger, and they will be on our way to miami.

And I realized that the seat in front of is open. So passionate by waiting for is is the person that's gonna t in front of my and as there about the doors til walks on the plan, oh and and T O walks over, he he looks at me, i'm kind of was in the middle of that know like deal with that which which is a whole different story for different at great story and he can look at me now, his head, he takes a seat and he jacks and into my life for the till two and hf hours and he get okay. So it's not all gonna be chaffy chip games and suvs.

And I think that was my first moment where I realized you like what we had done was unusual and was hard to get to and great power, great poor. But I was definitely welcomed to the nl. It's I can be so easier.

And then, you know, I got welcomed again because I think for all of us, andy was like, he was like family know, and we are also close to him. And we took those relationship for granted. And then when chip came in, like I didn't really think about how long those had taken to develop and how I took that for granted and obviously didn't have that relationship with him.

And so um you know for me, after we go ten six and ten six, I thought, hey, no, not that that's the standard but not terrible and I basically lost my job from that. And so I was like, you know, there's probably more to IT than just sad. And I think I think being vulnerable in the fl is a good thing. I think like um the fact I feel like the relationships that we have, you know like um I think that's one of the best things apart. This is obviously winning but it's like yeah like people say to me like yeah you probably keep guys a little too long and it's like if that's the worst thing that i'm doing about I got to ask this .

because you wrote IT up yes, you ask me earlier the the second you're losing this less super able was at any less because we want the previous superb. Do you think you would appreciate your first superb as much as you do without going through what you went through in two thousand and thirteen?

No, no. 嗯嗯。

yeah.

no, I think .

that I think .

winning the super ball may be Better. And I think because IT IT made me realize that just having good seasons wasn't really what I was trying to do. And and I think sometimes, again, this business, right, you know, we went two and four and we want to play off again.

Good here. No good you, right? I can live with that. And then you you see that and you see like the standard that that sets and you see the feeling that that is. And even when we want the chAmber to game, then you're like being on the podium and hold on a trophy and doing IT with people you care about. Like I feel like the only two times i've ever got emotional about football was the minute we won the and this year coming in on tuesday.

I know, I know and I but I sometimes .

I feel like I feel lucky that we even have that feeling, that we have that emotion.

I agree one hundred percent. And yeah, I think the highs don't mean anything without the lows. And it's a weird economy. But like the that's one of the reason I ask about like what did the triple mean more after having been having struggled or haven't been pretty much lost your job? Because I really meant more to me having coming off for two thousand and sixteen and the year I had then not only have a good year myself, but for the our entire team to rebound like that, just kind of weird way IT works and appreciating. Yes, I most like .

the football guards to they like, cause you pain a mense pain before you can have something great.

you can the luxuries of greatness without.

like IT almost like did. Did I really think the football golds are going to give us two and five years? Like, was. And I think about how to took twenty five years to get the and everything that he went through to do that.

And like, but i'll tell you, well, on nerve, I went back on that field and I know you did IT too slipped. No, I do not. 这是 包子。 包子。

就是这样 呀。 But you know, like.

I don't like IT because I more than anything, but I can't like the pain a little bit.

Yes, you learn to. You .

learn to. I want be watching the face going to punch on in the face like, either way, I don't know that the best guy for that, someone on our team, was getting to fight. And I tried to get in there and and I realized.

I get you.

Away from this, let's somebody in this up you i'm going to .

run oh my gosh, I can't thank you enough for coming on. It's been a unbelievable pleasure a to be in filled out in my entire career with you and go through that journey. So thanks.

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You know I think .

that the imaging thing about you and and I think we've talked about this, you can pick any industry you want and you would have been successful because who you are. And you know, when I think about our players and think about guys like that, like that unbelieved, because those are people to me that like transcend freaking football. It's just people who have unbelievable qualities as like humans, right, that they can be successful and they just freaking picked football. We got out of those guys and and you leave the way without my man.

You much like that is .

terrible. That was .

that. I mean, I definitely didn't expect how we to be to open up like that man, he came back. He came back for that. I mean.

that's do not only to come back. He came back for choices long. He came back excited yeah now is surprised at um yeah I don't know I don't feel like I just .

I appreciate when everybody like is all in on team city and like he feels that sends an urgency from the philatelic fan base 就是 make shit shake， you mean and that's how you know he's invest men.

I think that those of is unique place to play. Fans are going to let you know how you're doing or what they think you're doing. And how can I have witnessed first hand? And I do think it's impacted the way that all of us approach business and IT affects the sense of urgency in the building. And I think that how we did a great job of emphasizing that in this interview talked about my scatter report had which little upset they had me in the fourth round, then they picked me in the second but you know um really not.

but sounds good. The fact that he thought that you might fight the whole team was so one point, show one point. Oh my god. Yes, what do you mean anybody? Anybody has spent on a team with you felt has felt the competitiveness and the fact that you always take IT right there to like wanting to fight somebody here.

In my bad timing.

I wanna say that i've, I never .

want bad t mate.

no bad e loose canon, one hundred percent, one thousand percent. But for the most part, it's usually it's it's warranted.

You mean that has some meaning behind? I don't always want.

but not always, not always. But there there's always just a little bit of aman. He's kindly got a point, you know and I think that's there. I think it's fair game. And I think it's fair game because there's times that I do that and I don't know who do you think we get that from? You think we get that from mom or dad?

Come on now. We got that from that. What do you talk about? I think we honest, yeah, we wear harder on our sleeves, men, you know, we don't hide things and at times that comes out in unproductive emotions. But I think it's good, I think it's good to let things out even though sometimes people hate you and think you're as all I think it's Better to do that than the harbor things .

inside and not talk to your timah .

and yeah with not perfect binding means. But I worked for so far the T O.

Story was off the chain that was IT was party.

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