Travis on Returning for Year 13, Jason Defends the Tush Push (Again) and New Combine Events | Ep 127
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Let's go, dude. God damn it. You're about to fucking throw a rock. I know you are. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I like these mind games. You're throwing a rock now. You're going to throw a rock. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I can't get him. I can't get him. I can't get him. Fuck. Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen. A Wondry show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Audible. Hey. How about it? Shout out to Audible. Got to love listening, Jason. You got to listen. Yeah.

We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Cincinnati Bearcat alum, if you didn't know. Shout out to the Bearcats. We're recording this together in Los Angeles. Yeah. We are West Coast, baby. Subscribe on YouTube, OneDream Plus, wherever you get your podcasts, and follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S. To follow with fun clips throughout the week. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up. We're back.

We're back with another incredible episode for you guys. We're going to get to the Big Yeti signing up for year 13. Let's fucking go. Of course, we're going to talk about some of the news coming out of the combine this past week. Some of these rookies coming into the NFL trying to take everybody's jobs. And we're also going to get very specific LA food reviews. Don't worry, I'll make sure my microphone is away from my mouth while I'm chewing. I got those notes last time, guys. Thanks for that. Anyways, before we get to any of that, we're going to get to a little bit of that- It's not right now.

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That you are playing another season. It is. Yes And I did want to say a year ago. I announced my retirement Mm-hmm So we have to address the huge news that you are coming back this year Is it because you've seen me in retirement you're like fuck that No, I actually I think you've you've handled it perfectly Jason. Thank you. Thank you You've thrived outside of missing an Eagles Super Bowl. I think you absolutely killed it, dude

You fucking dick. Yeah. Well, that's the only way I can have fun with it. No, but I do think you have absolutely killed it in retirement. That didn't persuade me in any way. Why are you playing another season? Why are you going to go out there, risk injury, and make less money than you could make not playing football? Why are you doing this? Well, that was kind of the one I had to juggle right there.

I think the biggest thing is that I fucking love playing the game of football. That's a good reason. I love playing. I still feel like I can play it at a high level and possibly at a higher level than I did last year. I don't think it was my best outing. You know, I think I let my guys down in a lot more moments than I helped them, especially if you look at my track record and how I've been in years past. I don't know if that's true. I just, you know, I...

Want to give it a good run I got a bad taste in my mouth on how I ended the year and and how well I was playing and you know how accountable I was for the people around me and I love so many people in Kansas City both in that facility in the community

And it's home for me now. And you know, I don't want to leave that life yet. I put in a lot of hard work and I put in a lot of focus into being the best that I can for KC. And last year, it just didn't end well for us.

And I just, I feel like there's a responsibility in me to play out the contract that I initially signed, to give Kansas City and the Chiefs organization everything that I got. And that's what I'm going to do, man. Awesome. Well, I think I hear what you're saying. I think, you know, it's hard losing a strip ball.

And you feel like there's so many things you could have done better or whatnot. And you kind of referenced that like you could have been whatever. I think don't lose sight of the big reason that you guys are there is because of who you are. You know what I mean? And I think sometimes you lose sight of that when you don't maximize the

you know, the end goal, which is winning the Super Bowl. So I know you're going to be dedicated like you always are. It keeps getting harder though. What's your plan? First of all, what was your decision making process? How does Travis Kelsey go about making big life decisions?

Well, it's similar to all the other decisions I make and it's just off a feel I don't really I'm not a relish that about you so much I'm not a big like measure the pros and cons and all that I I just go off a feel and I just pure gut a pure gut feeling and I am I fucking love this game man Yeah, and not only that I love going into the building with the guys that are there. Yeah, you know coach Reid has been one of the big biggest influences on my life and

Not just in the game of football and you know, I don't want to I don't want to stop going to work with him I don't want to stop learning from I don't want to stop, you know Being the reason why he has success or being a part of the reason he has success, you know I like to have I want that guy to have the most success in the world because of who he's been to my life and that's the same with Pat and

That's the same with guys like Brett Veach and Mark Donovan and Coach Spags and Tom Melvin. There's so many people in that building. That's a lot of good names to me. David Glover. There's so many people in that building that I love with all my heart, man. I want to keep living out those dreams and going to work with them. I never once second-guessed it. It was always in the back of my mind, even now,

Even when it got tough last year on the body or when it got tough after the Super Bowl and, you know, you're at your all time low. It's just there's there's something in a motivating factor that, you know, you can do this and and and you want to do this. And I just, you know, I pulled the trigger as soon as I as soon as I knew that, you know, I had that feeling.

Yeah, and I think you knew the whole time. I felt like even when I would talk to you, and we didn't really talk pointedly about this, you never asked my advice on this, which I asked your advice, so I feel a little hurt that you didn't ask my advice. You didn't take my advice. But that's fine. All right. I felt like you always, you wanted to come back. It felt like that from the moment after the game. It felt like that a week after, two weeks, and I was like, ah, he's going to play. He's not ready to stop. Yeah.

I think it's the right decision. And you talk about feel. I brought this up on Chuck's podcast, but there's one thing that I very much like. I feel like whenever I make a decision or I'm like big time deals. You call Charles Barkley Chuck now? Is that not what everybody calls him? That's a surreal moment. I'm just saying. Everybody not call Charles Chuck? No, I literally told everyone my name was Charles because it was-

His name's Charles Barkley. That's pretty cool. That's just a full circle moment. Can I tell my story? My bad, my bad. So I'm on Charles and Ernie's podcast. Shout out to the Steam Room. I forget how we got on the topic, but I start talking about like a lot of times like when I'm trying to make a big decision, I like really overanalyze things. And I think way too hard about this thing and that thing and this thing. And I'll call you.

and you have this really good way of not worrying about all these little meaningless, dumb fucking things that I'm worried about. They kind of mean something. Or these what could be or what ifs. It's like, no, it's just what do you want to do? Do you want to play football or not? Do you want to do this or not? And I think that nine times out of ten, it's like great advice for me to get out of my own head, and it's helped me before. So I don't know why I'm bringing it up. I just always – Well, I mean, there's – I'm jealous of that. There's some – I'm jealous that you don't think about things in a way that makes you –

What's the word? Bogged down. I hear you, man. Indecisive. I hear you. And don't get it twisted. There was always like that indecisiveness for sure. Yeah. Like in my mind, I think I can be a better player than I was last year. Yeah. I mean, I feel like every great player always feels that way. But you just think about it more now because of the way the season went. Yeah. So I think there's a lot of other things that compound on that. But how big a factor was losing a Super Bowl?

It was probably the biggest factor. If you would have won, would you have come back for another season? I mean, it's a pretty cool way to go out, but I still, I think I would still have this love for the game and the feeling and yeah. If you want to play, you want to play. Yeah. I think. Shouldn't make that be a factor. I think I would have thought about it more. Sure. If we would have won.

I think because we lost and how we lost. Going out on top is nice. Yeah. It's not how I did it. I went out crying on the fucking field because I saw Jeff Stalin and was like, man, this might be the last time I ever see him. Don't do that. You see him every week. Yeah, but it's different. All right, I got you. Shout out to Jeff. 100%. The ending of that game, I feel like I owe the guys that I come into that building with a whole lot more.

and focus, and I just don't know what it was during that game, man. I wasn't at my best, and the more that I see clips or watch the film and put myself back into those moments, man, I'm just like, what the fuck? I've seen the clips too. Don't overanalyze the trip.

No, you have to overanalyze. That's the only way you find, at least that's one of the ways I find motivation. You're the king of not overanalyzing. So don't overanalyze it. But that's how I find motivation. That's how I create the beast. That's how I flip the switch. All I'm saying, people put the clip up where Pat's scrambling around and you're just standing there, right? And then he runs and then your guy hits him.

Yeah. Nine times out of 10, everybody else in that situation is going to be standing there too. And I know that that's not acceptable. It's not. And like when I watch myself do that, I would watch myself sometimes the quarterback gets sacked and you watch it on tape and you're like, hey, you fucking idiot. Go over there and help the fucking guy up. Or like, why are you just walking away from your running back? Help the running back up. As a good teammate, you think about things like that.

You ask anybody in that locker room if you give good effort and who's a good teammate and all that shit, you're going to get a much different answer. Anyways, do you have extra motivation this year going into the season? I mean, yes and no. Unfortunately, I've been in a situation where I didn't play my best in the final game and the biggest game of my life. And speaking about Tampa and the Super Bowl, and I think you try and make it everything. And I just...

You don't find the love of the game doing that and I feel like I play my best when I've when I'm out there Playing it for the right reasons sure, you know, can it be motivation in the offseason to you know? Go out and get a few extra reps go out and run that extra mile go out and you know Get a few more catches on the jugs go out and you know work a little bit harder watch some extra film really analyze what you're showing the opponent really analyze

you know, how you're running your routes so that guys can't get a tick on, on what route you're running. All of that can help get you where you are, but you can't go into it like this mad human being that is just like,

I don't know, has this built up animosity about the world and how it didn't go their way. And like, I need to, this, I'll only be satisfied if it goes my way because after Tampa, it didn't go my way. I didn't even make it back to the Super Bowl that next year.

So there's there's ways to to go out there and motivate yourself to be better than you were yesterday get extra reps Really put everything you have into your preparation, but at the end of the day man I'm I play my best when I go out there and I have fun man Yeah, and I don't I don't play my best when I go out there and I'm just pissed off at the world and I'm trying to be Be the bully because I'm playing against guys that act like the bullies. So how do you have fun? I

You go out there and you go to work and you build that chemistry with the guys around you. And I think we got a young, fun team. We're going to get my guy Rasheed Rice back. We're going to get, hopefully, the wide receiver room that we accumulated once Rasheed went down. Hopefully, you get my guy Kareem Hunt back. I fucking love that guy. I want to win one for that guy so bad.

You know, I just know that guys like Pat Mahomes and guys that we have on the defensive side like Chris Jones and George Karloftis and Trent McDuffie, they all know how to have fun doing it while being professional. And that's such a unique situation to have. When you can get both done, be successful, but do it in such a fun way that it makes it more enjoyable than you could possibly imagine, man. That's such a unique atmosphere and a unique, like,

building to be in. And I just, I know that. And because I've been on teams where it hasn't been that. And it's just, I want to keep enjoying those moments and keep building what we have in Kansas City with those guys. Did you talk to Andy? Anybody? Is there anything else you want to talk about in terms of deciding to play again? What do you guys think you need to do to get back to the mountaintop next year? I mean, we got to get some pieces. I think

100%. This offseason, we're stuck kind of trying to juggle some contract negotiations and losing some key pieces. I mean, that hurts. We've got a lot of guys that we rely on big time. We've relied on big time in the past that have helped us win Super Bowls that are in contract negotiations. Trey Smith just got franchised?

Yeah. And, you know, I know they're working on a long-term deal to try and keep Trey. A lot of times they just do that. He's unbelievable. To prevent him going to free agency so they can still keep negotiating. Exactly. And I'm hoping that they can sign something that, you know, Trey appreciates and that the Chiefs can, you know, still go out and get other pieces knowing that we need more

more guys like Trey Smith, you know, guys that are dedicated to their craft. I've said it for a long time. He's one of my favorite guys to watch play. Exactly. He's one of my favorite guys to play with. The mentality that he takes to the field. Oh, yeah. I know I've always trusted Brett Veach and the front office and the coaches to bring in the right guys, and not only just the guys that, you know, have the skill set and the athleticism and the competitive edge, but

but do it in a fun way like we've brought in guys before, you know, like that can add to the chemistry of how, you know, the weeks go, the routines go, and try not to make it like we're coming into work, like we're excited about what we're doing and,

We're excited about the challenges ahead. Yeah, I'm sure I mean they know how to build it They know exactly and you guys had I mean come on now you guys I mean blocking kicks to end games the chemistry was there Yeah, so Kansas City, baby. We're back at it for at least one more year I can't say whether or not this is gonna be the last year because I still love a lot of of what I do for the city of Kansas City and the Chiefs organization, so

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Let's move on to some bold topics. NFL Combine. That's right. The annual Combine held in Indianapolis wrapped up this weekend. Did you watch it at all? No. Yeah, I didn't. I'm not going to lie. I usually like to watch it, especially the O-line guys. I've been zero dark 30. I watched highlights and watched it through Twitter. I saw a little bit of the tight end workout. That's about it, though. There was a nice one-handed grab. Which very surprised. Who was the tight end that had the, like, caught one? I think it was a tight end. I'm judging by his stature and-

complexion. He caught a ball with one hand, and then he ended up having two balls in his hand at one point. That might have been a clip from a different year, Jason. Oh, okay. So anyways- I'm not going to lie. I was so surprised by this tight end group's 40-yard dash. It is fun looking up the times. They didn't have anybody under a 4'6", and typically, I mean, you'll usually find a- A lot of blocking tight ends.

Yeah. I mean... The game's moving to more ground and pound. It is. It is. Especially with this fucking running back class they got. Everybody was a 4'3". They were running. They were moving. Running backs weren't going slow. Neither were the DBs. Yeah. I think there were a few top tight ends that didn't elect to run, but... Yeah. Yeah. Either way. There's still some...

Studs out there. No the Penn State kids good Jason Taylor son Mason Taylor LSU kid he's good The Loveling kid up in Michigan. There's there's still some talent out there awesome in the tight end world But yeah, I was definitely it was kind of like Oh eye-opening there was no four or five guys typically you get at least one four four guy in there that they They like the label of H back. Yeah, meaning he's shorter. Yeah. Yeah, and

Short, kind of quicker. What are you looking at in these guys, either on tape in college or at the Combine, that is like, oh, there's some talent in the guys? I think over the course of the year, watching the Penn State team in the playoffs, watching the Michigan team over the last two, three years, Loveland's been pretty solid. He shows up for them. But what about...

Is there something when you're watching tape? When there's a play to be made, they make it, yeah. Is there something when you're watching where he does one thing where you're like, oh, okay, yeah, that guy's got it. Yeah, make the big catch. Their catch radius is always a huge factor. How they catch it? Yeah, like when it hits their hands, it sticks. Yeah, is it like fighting the ball?

Yeah, I think does it like bounce off of their hand when they when when you get a guy with the ball in his hands And he feels confident with what he's doing like the kid from Penn State. I don't I forget his name Somebody can look it up for me. Yeah, Tyler Warren when he catches the ball for rocks 44. I

You know what he's doing when he catches the ball. He's running right through. Yeah, he's not. There's no juking happening. You know what I mean? But he has a little bit of, you know what I mean? Oh, he does. Yeah, he's got a little bit of it. He's got at least, he's making a defender make a decision, you know, and he's playing off of him or he's like being the aggressor. Yeah. Like a guy like Gronk does. And it's just like you see a guy or a guy like George Kittle where you see a guy when he catches the ball, he knows he's getting north. Yeah. And he's either running through whoever's in the way or he's finding a way to make a miss. Sure.

And that usually gets me fired up. Mason is just the Mason Taylor kid, Jason Taylor's, I believe it's his son. Just a fluent athlete. And he's not even 21. He was Jason Taylor's son. Yeah, right now. He's not even 21 yet. He's not? No. So I'm like, this guy had a good amount of success at LSU, played in the SEC.

And then on top of that, fluent athlete, he's only gonna get better as he gets older. He's only gonna develop more strength and more athleticism as he gets older. So yeah. What do you got for centers? What tells you? - Just offensive line in general, I feel like-- - Well he gets the ball to the quarterback. - That's the least thing I'm worried about. We can fix that, trust me. Been there, fixed those snap issues. Least of my concerns.

No, I like just watching the way guys move, how they use their hands. Like, I just feel like you watch guys play and you can tell if you've watched enough guys play and enough teammates play.

who has good core strength, who moves their feet well, who is always in balance. Balance is a big one for me with offense alignment. When I see guys that are out of balance, I'm like, okay, he's going to get torched. Yeah, backers going to get up under that guy. He's going to get off balance, and then it's going to get like judo thrown. It's like I think, and I've been there too. I just like watching the way guys move. That's why I do actually think watching the combine is,

I kind of always like watching, even though I didn't do it this year, because I do think that there is stuff to gain by watching how guys move. I really do. I think that, you know, Jason Peters just retired, right? 21 years, baby. Dude.

And now he's working for the Seahawks. Come home, Jason. Come home to Philadelphia. You got to get Jeff and- He's doing fine. Stay in Seattle. You're doing all right. Wherever you're happy, JP. But he was never out of balance. I would watch that guy play. He would jump and he was just always anatomically in the right position to redirect and

On top of being enormous and a freak athlete, but there's just sometimes you watch guys and they're like always on their own steps or their feet are in a certain way or they're bending properly. They utilize their hands a certain way and it makes you just like, oh yeah, I like what I see out of that. And then you watch other guys and even if they're like higher rated guys, it's like, like, I like this about them, but like his feet aren't necessarily the fastest or like, you know, he's super quick, but he's

He just gets engulfed sometimes of power because it doesn't look like he has good core strength. So I love watching all of that stuff either on tape or even at something like a combine. Like if I watch a guy change direction quickly and they have good size and strength, usually they can translate to be good offensive lineman. You hear that, boys? Balance. Balance. You have to be balanced. Balance and body control. It's Jeff Stout in favor right there. Not right now.

He's got some big old boys that can balance themselves. It helps when you're 6'9", 375 pounds, Jordan Malata. He's like, man, can you believe he taught that rugby guy how to play football? Oh, yeah, well, he was 6'9", a freak athlete, but he's also 375 pounds with 18% body fat. So, yeah, I can believe he's good at football. But still, shout out to Jeff Stoutland. And Jordan.

Yeah, and definitely shout out to Jordan. See, I actually love watching guys run their 40. I think you can watch a lot about the way a guy runs and be like, that guy's not athletic. I really do think sometimes you just watch a guy run a 40, I'm like, yeah, I'm not interested. DK Metcalf. No question. That is one that blows my theory out the water. That guy looked like he was fighting the turf every step of the way. Moving. Angry at that fucking ground. Moving. And it's like, okay, he's still panned out. Yeah, yeah.

But you'll watch some of these guys run and you're like, man, I don't like the way it looks. And nine times out of 10, it's right though. Like when a guy's hunched over running, it's like, dude. I'm hunched over when I run. No, not when you're cruising. What? No. Yeah. Not hunched over like that. Phase three, I'm staying in control right here. Balance. Yeah. No, no. It's different. I don't want to say names. So we did have...

An idea here from our production team. Events they should add at the Combine. What do you think? Anything, first of all, anything serious that you think would actually be good to add? Dude, I immediately went to, like, could they, like, chew gum and, like, jump rope? Like, I don't know. Do two things at once? Do things at once, yeah. A little rubber. Can you juggle and walk? Or pat your head around your tummy or whatever it is? Yeah, I mean, that was a decent try. I mean, I could do it. I just did it. I do think innocuous things. I do like...

a kid, like for a while, I was like, we should be having these top 30 guys come in, play pickleball. And I can just tell whether they want, are competitive. You want everybody to pop an Achilles and fucking blow a knee out? Yeah, that's a good point. That's why they don't do it. But you can tell about competitiveness. I mean, Nick Sirianni very famously played a little Rochambeau. Ooh.

Ooh. Right? It's not bad. I think there's better things to figure out. Does he have any data on that? Like if a guy goes rock immediately, he doesn't think very fast? Yeah, it's like, stupid. Didn't even move his hand. This guy's not into it.

Let's go, dude. God damn it. You're about to fucking throw a rock. I know you are. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I like these mind games. You're throwing a rock now. You're going to throw a rock. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. I can't get him. I can't get him. I can't get him. Fuck.

I do like little stupid things like that and seeing how they think about things or process. I was thinking in my head, I'm like- There's a story that we're going to talk about in a second. We don't need the IQ test. I just want to know what you're searching on your phone. That tells me everything. Show me your web searches. Your web search history. Yeah, you would learn a lot about a guy. Yeah, show me your search history. I'm not giving that up to anybody. Yeah.

That tells me everything I need to know. This guy's watched over a thousand hoof cleaning videos on Instagram. I don't know if this is good or bad. He's dedicated. He's dedicated. He is. Locked in. He's...

He's into farming. He cares about the animals. Yeah. This seems a little bit too simple to me. I mean, how many times are you going to watch a guy scrape a hoof off and stuff it with powder and pack it and wrap it? Every single time. Yeah. I don't think I've passed it up once on my algorithm. All righty. Some suggestions from the production team. How many Uncrustables can a kid eat? What would you gain from that? One, whether they like Uncrustables. Yeah.

Do they have diabetes? Which if they don't like Uncrustables, I don't know that it affects their ability to play football, but it does affect their ability to be like a trustable human being if they don't like them. Yeah. I don't trust somebody that doesn't like an Uncrustable. Once they get stale, man, they can get tough. Well, yeah, obviously. That's to be a fresh boy. Obviously, yes. We're talking peak Uncrustable. Something about that white bread that they use. All right. There's your free advertising Uncrustable. Timing for how fast you can delete tweets.

Mean nothing. There's supposed to be funny how long No, take it down take it down. How long can you speak? How long can you speak without actually saying anything? I think we would win that we do well in that what nothing iPhone screen time. That's what made me think of what your search history is. Yep, I

I don't necessarily need to know how long you're on the phone. I want to know. I don't want to know how long you're on the phone. I want to know what you're on the phone for. Simon Says is interesting. Simon Says, what would you gain from Simon Says? I mean, it's just a pure power move.

Right? I like doing this weird, like Simon Says, a kid says, like, what are your, you play along, okay? Then if you're bad at it, it's like cute. Simon Says is kind of, yeah, you got to lock in. This guy can't listen. You got to lock in. This guy's not a good listener. Have you ever, like, watched, like, the Simon Says championship? Like. I've not. Dude. Is it good? It goes real fast. Yeah? Is it like an auctioneer? Yes. It is quick. Put your hand on your head. Put your hand on your belly. Put your hand on your head. Simon Says. Exactly like that. Wow.

That'd be electric. Yeah. We got to get a clip of that. I want to see what that seems like. Red light, green light? Do we just do all little kid games? He's like, Simon says, put your hand on your belly. I ain't playing this fucking stupid game. I like that guy. Give me that guy.

That's the right answer. Podcasting. I'll ask you to deliver an ad read or asking someone. I mean, listen, if I'm being honest, if a kid's trying to podcast, I'm not signing. I couldn't even imagine doing this outside of my first, like, after my fourth or fifth year. That's where I am kind of being serious. I do think that rookies, like, you should...

If I had a podcast as a rookie, it would be real bad. Not only would the content be bad, it would have been bad for me. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know that I would have made it. No. I would have been a professional podcaster way earlier. Yeah.

How good they are at trash talking. I actually really do like that one. Yeah. Find out what a guy says. You can learn a lot about the way you got trash talks. There's some guys who just stone cold, man. They don't fucking give you anything. I know. I respect that. That's what I'm saying. That's the type. And that's the version of trash talking. Stoic motherfuckers. Yeah. Men of little words. All right.

All right, we didn't gain anything from doing that, so we're going to move on. Three big combine stories. Ooh, what do we got? Colorado, defense at back and wide receiver Travis Hunter says he wants to play both ways officially. That's right. Travis said, they say nobody has ever done it the way I do it, but I tell them I'm just different. I'm a different person. I want to play 100% on both sides of the ball, but it's up to the organization. He actually didn't say, but it's on both sides of the ball.

put that in parentheses to it was inferred what do you think about that is this possible it's 100 possible i mean he's going to have to you know nobody has ever played every single play on both sides when yeah when dion did it he would be like a third he was in like nickel he's in like certain packages i believe i could be wrong about that so do you you think he's talking about 100 play corner every single down and wide receiver that's what he's thinking yes that's what he did at colorado

I'm aware he did it at Colorado. That's what I'm saying. In the NFL, they'll have to scheme up around him getting too exhausted. Yeah. They'd really have to weigh that into their play calling, both offensively and defensively. Defense, you can't just go, man.

And expect Travis to just run all around the field with a guy like Tyree Hill. After he just scored a 98-yard touchdown. Yeah. As an offensive coordinator, I'm sending him on a go every play. And eventually, if you're playing offense and defense, the wheels are going to get at least a little worn out. Yeah, that's a great point. I haven't thought about that. Scheming.

the other team. Yeah. It's like, all right, we're on a run play, run them off every time. Yeah, exactly. Like getting a new guy in there. And so you'd have to scheme them to be able to play cover two. And I just think, I think he's a better player when he's in man on defense. I think he's,

Do you think he's a better man corner than a better zone corner? No, he plays great in his zones. He can float around. He has a great feel of seeing routes. He's good at seeing concepts and jumping certain routes and things like that. So he plays well off. I say off the ball, but he plays well in zone coverages.

But I think man coverage entices QBs to throw it at him more. Gotcha. Right? I just think when you get man-to-man coverage in the NFL, you think, oh, if I got a good guy out there, I'm taking my matchup. Sure. Right? I just think that mentality, it can wear a guy out. And I'm not saying that he can't do it because I was blown away by what he could do in college in terms of playing every single down. I'm blown away at his smile. He's got a great smile. I think it's smarter to find him –

If he is going to do that, I think it's smarter to scheme it up to where you know you're not putting him in vulnerable position to get tired out faster. Got it. All right. Well, somebody who does think he can do it is Deion Sanders. Deion Sanders was quoted saying he's going to do it or they shouldn't draft him. Sanders still reporters, I'm going to make sure of it.

Don't draft him if you're not going to give him the opportunity to play on both sides of the ball. I think he's proven that he needs to play on both sides of the ball. I think he's going to be really... I mean, yeah, I guess we'll find out. I don't know. I think it's easier for him to be on the field all the time as a defensive player and then offensively coming in on certain plays. Yeah. I think that is so much easier. Like, why have him...

Well, Deion did it the other way. Branch did it the other way. He did it where he was on the field all the time as an offensive player and then did packages on defense. Yes. I think he could be more influential. What's the point in certain rundowns where you know it's run to have him on the field going in there scooping out a safety? Like, could he do it? Yeah. Could I get another guy to do that? Probably. Yeah, but that's also going to be your heavy play action. Take a shot down the field and maybe you want him out there for that.

Yeah, well, good luck, Travis. Yeah. I'm a big fan, brother. You want to come to KC, play both sides? Hey, there we go. That's how you get them there. We're going to pay you way less, but you can play both sides of the ball. We have like the 40th pick. We'll probably not even sniff them. Yeah. Travis did say, Travis Hunter, that is, did say that playing both ways is harder than what Shohei Otani does.

Bold statement. Very bold statement. There's no way we could possibly fucking... Well, we know that physically playing both ways in football is much harder. Yeah. We know that. We do know that hitting a baseball is probably the hardest thing in professional sports. Hardest thing ever.

I don't know what's more impressive. I mean, first of all, I guess Shohei's more impressive because he's actually doing it. He's not only actually doing it, but he's proven that he can- In the land of make-believe on one end, the other guy's actually happening, so- And he's also proven that he can be literally the best at both. Sure. Like-

He was one of the top pitchers in the league when I did before he had the surgery. It's remarkable, actually, when you really do think about it. And then on top of that, he was hitting home runs and stealing bases every year of his career. Yeah, I mean, listen, playing both ways would be remarkable. Good luck, Travis. I can't wait to watch it happen. If it does, I mean, it would be electric. I can't wait to watch and see if it does happen. It'll definitely happen. He's too good on both sides of the ball. He's proven it. He's already proven it. That's the beauty of playing. Do you think he's better on offense or defense?

Haven't seen enough of it. What kind of receiver is he is he an outside receiver? Is he a guy that can play in the slot a fucking all-around? Just whatever you can put him anywhere on the football field You can give him the the reverses you can do anything with him on the football field He didn't run right so we don't have the time from the combine. No, but when you watch him run, you're like, yeah. Yeah, he's got it He's yeah, no one of those like yeah, I don't need a stopwatch on we should probably throw him the ball

Some of those guys where you don't even need a time. You're like, what's his 40? Don't know. Yep. But I know it's good enough. Yeah. I've seen him run. I've seen him run. Like when you watch Jerry Rice run.

You're like a 47 guy. There's no way I am a thousand percent I am so I find it so hard to believe that he's outrunning DBs in the NFL. Just shake you get I'm not 40 times dude. I've looked it up. It's anywhere between a 4447. I've heard 47 At the combine what combine the NFL go I

He was like a D4 player. They weren't running at the combine back then either. I don't think they were running at the combine when Jerry was coming out either. It was only medical. Bill Walsh said he ran a 4.6. Bill Walsh said that? Who the fuck is Bill Walsh? Shut the fuck up. So Bill's probably giving him a friendly time there too. Or he's saying a ridiculously slow time to show just how great he was as a football player. There's only one way to solve this.

We need to ask Jerry himself. Jerry, the goat. Can you please tell these jamokes you were not a fucking 4'7 in the 40, dog? I mean, what if he was? He's still the best receiver. What does it matter? I know what 4'7 looks like, Jason. Maybe he just was a notorious slow starter. Maybe he just was a strider. Dude, there's no way.

This dude was quick off the ball, and he had a fucking great stride. Jerry wasn't a burner. He was a freaking route runner. Dude, why was he always behind the defense? Because they were terrified of the comeback and all the other stuff. He was running underneath, and he would do that, and then go right past them. True. He's a great route runner. He sold it all. I concur. Yeah, well, you're not a great route runner unless they're terrified of you going deep, and you have to have speed to do that. I'm just saying, sometimes you're smooth, and it all looks the same. Dominic Goodman. Dude, that's-

Didn't play in the NFL, but very good college. Shout out to Colerain, Cincinnati. Last bit of combine news. Sources have told Pat McAfee's show, shout out to Pat McAfee, that Saquon Barkley has signed a massive two-year extension with the Philadelphia Eagles. Nice. 20.6 average per year. That's a million, in case you were wondering.

I mean, deserves every penny of that. Yep. $36 million guaranteed at signing. Damn. $15 million available in incentives. Ew. I wonder what those incentives are. That's a lot of money in incentives. I don't like that one bit. You mean I actually have to play and earn it? What? Does he have to get a 2,000 yard season every year? I'm betting that- Fuck. Yeah, I'm betting that a lot of these are max-

with like the way I used to be structured with how I'd be like, there'd be playoff incentives, Super Bowl incentives, Pro Bowls, All Pros. And then with running backs, usually you'll add in yards. So you have to like rely on someone's vote to get your incentive? That's for offensive linemen. It's typically how it happens. It's pretty shitty. Damn. Yeah, I know. That's fucked up. I mean, I always hit mine, so it always worked out. It's because you podcast. Always podcast. That's right. That's why you should definitely start podcasting as a rookie.

Yeah, I'm betting that a lot of these are just like kind of guaranteed ways of the Eagles to be like, hey, we want to pay you this money, but we need, you know, if injuries happen or something happens. We're not paying it. The max value. But he's still getting broke off. I mean, $36 million guaranteed at signing is. I mean, that's damn good. That's unbelievable money for a running back in today's NFL. And he deserved every penny. I mean, he proved how valuable. Not.

Not just how good he is as a running back, but his big play strike ability. You could tell he was one of the leaders on that team. Oh, that too. I mean, just a great freaking dude. And it probably frees up a bunch more space to sign other guys. This is typical Howie Roseman chess when everybody else is playing checkers. All right. Great delivery. I got nothing. Another offseason news, sticking with the Eagles. Everyone debating the tush push. Green Bay Packers GM Brian Smythe.

Brian has submitted a rule. GM Brian has submitted a rule proposal to ban the Tush Bush quarterback sneak. I mean, listen, I get it. I would want to ban it, too, if we sucked at it and it wasn't a mechanical advantage. The only issue I have that I take up with people is people saying it's not a football play, it's rugby. I don't know what's more of a football play. I really don't.

What represents football? Physicality, toughness, will. We're going to fight for half a yard. You know what's coming. We know what's coming. We're just going to bulldoze against each other like...

machines made of meat. Like, I don't know what we're, it's like completely about football. Like this isn't, I think to some people, football is like, oh, look at this pretty pious concept design. It's like, that's not fucking football. I just don't understand. That's a different side that is, this is what football has become. This is about pure physicality and advantage for the offensive linemen because we know the snap count when it's coming and where we're going.

Don't get me wrong Jason's having fun with it, but I just don't understand what the proposed like why I think one people want to ban it people want to ban it because one there's some people have like a Safety concern on the plane. They think that it's more dangerous in my experience It is not a play that has much of an increased chance of injury on it. Do guys get hurt on it sometimes Yes, but so does every other play that you run in the NFL Typically, it's more of a grueling play

The plays where you get hurt are usually like these high-impact collisions or somebody gets landed up on wrong or twisted, and that just doesn't happen that much on that play because everybody's just nosediving forward to try and get as low as possible and push for a yard. Does it suck? Yeah. Is it a fun play to run? No. I mean, except when you get the first down or a touchdown. But is there an increased chance of injury? I just haven't seen that.

In my experience with the play, is there an increased chance of you being fatigued and, like, hating your life? Yeah. But it's worth it for a yard. And then the other thing is I think people just think it's an unfair play for the offense, that they can push. My argument to that is you guys can push, too. It's not like you're just pushing on the offensive side. Like, you guys can hunker down in there and push and, you know, mass—accumulate mass—

I don't know. It doesn't feel like teams across the league are as good as the Eagles are at it. So it feels weird to try and ban this play for an advantage that it seems like really just one team majorly has. Yeah. In my opinion. I mean, they're not trying to ban the quarterback sneak. They're just trying to ban the way you guys have perfected it. Yeah. Like do we ban, if it's an unfair advantage, like do we ban Saquon Barkley from running with the football? Because that seems like an unfair advantage to me. You know what I mean?

And that does it for the news news, the news that we have, the last bit of news. And if any of you have any off-season questions, please leave us a question in the comments. Yeah. We'd love to answer them. Yeah. Or not answer them. Don't really have much else to talk about, so now's your chance. Yeah. We're going to be answering a lot of questions. Trying to make it big? Put it on the comment. Dumber the better. Yeah, that's about all I got.

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All right, now the LA Food Court. That's right. We're going to do a little taste test for you guys. Oh, give me these calories. All right, LA Food Court is brought to you by Suave. Man, how about it? You got a little suave going right now. You're the suave. Take that hat off. You got the suave. I'm not doing that. All right. Maybe just a little. Yeah, look at that. Ooh, look at that hair. Gosh. Putting this thing back on. I can't believe you haven't started balding. What? We're Kelsey's.

I'm balding, Travis. I'm getting thin up there. Where?

No, it's just a widow's peak, not up top. No, it's going thin right through. That's why you do it to the side? I don't do anything. I just wake up. I don't do shit to my head. All right, here we go. We're doing a little food taste test for you guys. Moving on to a little New Heights Food Court. We have a very special theme this week on the food court. We'll be trying foods that we missed out on because we skipped Jets Jake's wedding. Jake, I can't wait to judge the food you had at your wedding. I know.

Do you know how fired up I would be to go to a wedding that's not... Do you want chicken, steak, or fish? Yeah, you were invited. I don't remember getting the invite. It's on your fridge currently. Well, you know you're supposed to send that stuff to Emily. I did. That's right. We decided not to attend. It was in the fall. It was during football season. We couldn't go. Yeah, we still chose not to go. Okay. Okay. We were busy, Jason.

Sorry, Jake. All right. So we're told these are all L.A. staples. We have Heavy Handed, which is a burger out here, a burger spot out here. We have Le Sorted, which is a pizza spot out here. And we have Tacos 1986. 1986. Which I would assume means they've been open since 1986. Yeah, what is that? That's not even like an impressive... Yeah.

Like they just started making tacos? In 86, like that. I mean, I guess it's, actually it's close to 40 years now. I mean, I can tell you right now, I'm not trying the tacos. That's all you, Jason. You're not going to even try it? No, I'm not trying those.

Why? I'm looking at them. I'm like, I'm not trying to. Travis, come on. It's Jake's wedding. We didn't go to the wedding. We at least got to try the food. Food number one, heavy handed burger and fries. All right. This feels weird eating a fry without ketchup. It is a smash burger. In case people are wondering, I can tell right away from looking at it. This is probably the roughest way to ever do a food test. It's kind of unfair. It has been sitting around a little bit. So heavy handed. We apologize for these ratings we're about to give you. I mean, cold fries. It's just so hard.

I can't even rate this. This is no burger. This is no burger. Out of all the cold fries you've had, where do you- I'll say, for a cold fry, absolute horseshit. I'm just going to be honest. There are certain fries that hold up well with age, and this is not one of them. No. Other fries that do not hold up well with age, McDonald's. McDonald's are great if you catch them right out of the fryer. The moment they aren't hot, they're fucking terrible. It's layered with onions. I'm not eating this.

Don't do a food. You can't have me test food that I'm not going to eat. Everyone knows my criteria. I don't think everybody doesn't know your criteria. Everyone knows I don't eat onions. I can tell you that I don't know, that everybody doesn't know because I don't know what your criteria is. Other than white sauce is an onion, so it's the only two I know. Well, there's onions on that one, so. How is it, Jason? It's absolutely delicious. Nice. There is definitely a heavy McDonald's taste in this. Ooh, a little Mickey D's. Mickey D's was out here in the West Coast, started out here.

A lot of people don't know that. It's a Big Mac style sauce. Ooh, I'm in on the Big Mac. It's very good. I'm in on the Big Mac minus onion. It's a very good burger. Nice. If this was warm, it would be incredible. And I will say, I think this is better than Five Guys. No. I don't think there's even a question. That's better than Five Guys? I'm not a... Oh, wait. You're thinking of In-N-Out. I was thinking of In-N-Out. I screwed that up. I was about to say. It's definitely better than In-N-Out. I think it's probably better than Five Guys too, if I'm being honest. You're more of like a...

A smash burger type guy anyways, though. I don't discriminate. I am on a mission to find the best burger. I've been trying to, I'm trying burgers all over the place. I love burgers. Nice. I got a burger spot for you. There's one in LA called Franking It Up. It's just a food truck in Santa Monica or something like that. Yeah, I'm out on food trucks. Well, it's not even a truck. It's just like a guy set up in a residential zone. I don't even think, I don't even know if it's permanent, but the fucking guy makes a great burger. At least after 15 micheladas. One out of 10. One out of 10. Where are you going?

For a cold burger, one out of 10. Those pickles are great. They're very good. I like pickles now. For a smash burger, nine. It is a really good burger. It is a really good burger. For a smash burger, what it is, if this was warm, I'd be like devouring it. I mean, you are.

You've taken four bites and it's already gone. That's your fourth bite right there. Cold fries, definitely get them warm. All right. Heavy-handed. Got a nine. That might be one of the highest scores Jason's ever got. Can you not just take the onions off? Food number two, lasorta. Peppers. We have a cheese. We have a cheese. Cheese? No, it's too childish.

I can do peppers. I can do peppers. I don't prefer it, but I can do peppers. I don't think peppers on pizza go great, but I'll try. Ready? You still got it. Great sausage. All right. A little pepper and hamburger meat. It's not bad. I'm positive that's sausage. Yeah, probably is sausage. I looped the two in. Can we get confirmation? Sausage.

Sausage and peppers. I mean, it's pretty good. Very good. It's pretty good. I fucking love a good Detroit-style pizza, a New York-style pizza, but I don't know. I don't know. It's not cheesy enough or enough sauce for me. It's a little dry. I do agree. There could be more sauce and more cheese. The bread and dough, actually. I'm in on the bread and dough. I'm in on the bread and dough. The sausage is really good. The flavors are fantastic. I like that it's got a little bit of the red. Solid flavors. Does it have red pepper flakes on it?

Yeah, 100% it does. I'm in on that. I'm in on a little spicy. I don't think long green peppers should be on a pizza. That's good. That is a good piece of pizza. It is a good piece of pizza. I'm going, see, I'm a pizza fucking guy, dude. It's also hard. This isn't a warm pie. It doesn't matter. Pizza cold or hot can be fucking delicious. Sometimes cold pizzas. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. You don't always get that with burgers. As it lingers and I get more of that spice, I like it.

The bite is pretty solid. I'm going a solid seven. I'll go a seven on that. It's got really good crust. The texture, the dough and everything, they nailed all that. Yeah. If it was just a little more robust with the ingredients, it would just really- Really just knock those tastes right out. It'd be right up there. I mean, it'd be real good. I'm going to go 8.2. You threw it up there. You're pretty generous right now. I think you're just hungry. I am. I am on a diet caloric deficit, so-

This food tastes amazing compared to- Caloric deficit. Food without fats and sugar. We're right up your alley. Yeah. Nice. So we got a nine from heavy handed and- I'm also trying to gauge because it's not like right out of the oven. Trying to be a little bit generous. Anticipating that it'd be- Look at you. Fucking good Samaritan.

Well, heavy-handed nine, uh, La Sorta. Um, I go 70, he goes 8.2, so that puts us at about 7.6. It's fucking taco. Good luck. That avocado has been sitting out. Oh, I thought that was like bean sauce. It's all, it's avocado. It's just been browned because it's been oxidized. Avocado, if you don't eat it immediately, just oxidizes. Are these all the same? No. No.

This looks like chicken. Chicken is possible. What did you have at your wedding? I mean, unless they have... Unless you had tofu tacos. We got all the tacos at the wedding. Love the tortilla.

Big corn tortilla only. I used to eat flour tortilla. All we ate, all we ate was flour. All we ate was, yeah. I still eat them. I can't fucking eat flour tortilla. I can do it. Maybe there's a seafood taco. No, I got you. I can't. Like eating a flour tortilla now. So good. Just feels so gross. I love the crunch. No, I'm out. You don't see, you don't get them the way they're supposed to be. Flour tortillas? Yeah, you probably get them a little soggy and like they're not as crunchy and as fun as the like. What the fuck are you talking about?

I'll still go to Taco Bell, get two and two. I'll get too soft, too hard. It's a good chicken taco. Chicken taco, by far, least favorite taco of all the time. Sure. What is this? Do you have like an alpaca? What's that? Is that pork? I think that's carnitas. All right. Let's try the carnitas. Jesus Christ. Caloric deficit. You got the eyebrows up. You know it's a good thing. You get those eyebrows to go up.

That means you've surpassed expectations. Or there was a little jolt of Flavortown that he was... I mean, it's a great taco. I will say. Let's wrap it up. I mean, they're good tacos. Tacos are one thing that I feel like

The more off the beaten trail you go, the better the tacos are. It's just the way I feel with tacos. The more commercialized it is, it's just not as good of a taco. If I'm catching this out of somebody's back of their vehicle that they drive, it's going to be the best fucking taco I've ever had in my life. Dude, Taco Bell made a living on selling rat food. They're good. They're very good. Oh, yeah. He's going for the moon pie. What the fuck is this? It's a mulita.

Melita. Melita? Yeah. Is that like a real thing or is that like a gordita? No, it's a real thing. Looks like a quesadilla to me. It's a don of quesadilla. It's a taco burger. The heavy breathing is the fucking illest part of this entire thing. I mean, it's hard because corn tortillas should be eaten fresh. All right. We got to give it one out of 10. Where are you going? I bet with all this being fresh, these are probably about as good of a commercialized taco as you can get. But like the last time I was in LA, I went to like

the street that Whole Foods is on in Santa Monica. Yeah. I'll eat those tacos over these any day of the week. Harder to order from. I would say I will give these a 7.8. 7.8?

Nice. Well, that does it for Food Court brought to you by Suave Men. And shout out to Jets J for getting married. How about it? I had no idea that guy. What are your ratings for these foods, Jake? Burgers are 10. 10? 10 out of the burger. Okay. Nowhere to go. Nowhere to go. Just never be tough. It's my favorite burger in LA. It's easily my favorite burger in LA. Well, it better be your favorite in the world if you're giving me a 10. You're giving me more than one 10. All right.

Erroneous. This is where you and I disagree. All right, go ahead. Pizza, 8.5. All right. And tacos, I'd give a 7.3. 7.3? Yeah. Nice. Nice. You guys are kind of on the board. I think that's pretty... Nice. Yeah, we're in the same ballpark. That does it for food court. Sorry for my chewing. New Heights Food Court brought to you by Suave Men. That is all for this show.

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