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Rethinking School in the Age of AI

2025/4/21
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Daniel
软件开发专家,专注于编程和技术博客写作。
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Maryanne Wolf
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Rebecca Winthrop
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Tristan
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Rebecca Winthrop: 人工智能的快速发展,特别是生成式人工智能,正在改变教育的模式。学生们可以利用人工智能工具完成作业,这可能会导致他们技能的退化,因为他们不再需要进行深入思考和逻辑推理的过程。这让我非常担忧,因为批判性思维能力的培养对学生未来的发展至关重要。我们需要思考如何利用人工智能来促进学习,而不是让它成为学生们逃避学习的工具。 在过去的几十年里,我们已经看到许多技术被引入学校,但效果并不理想。许多技术只是对传统教学方法的替代或增强,并没有从根本上改变学习方式。我们需要更注重技术与教学的整合,并明确技术的应用目标。 人工智能的出现,也让我们重新思考教育的目的。我们应该从单纯的排名和筛选转向培养学生的自主性和创造力。学校应该承担起更多责任,例如提供儿童看护、促进社会化和公民意识的培养。 我们需要警惕人工智能可能带来的负面影响,例如对儿童注意力和语言发展的影响。我们需要在使用人工智能技术时保持谨慎,并根据不同年龄段儿童的特点制定相应的策略。 我们需要关注人工智能对人际关系的潜在影响,并设计出能够最大限度地减少其负面影响的技术。 Maryanne Wolf: 深度阅读对于发展批判性思维至关重要,而深度阅读最好通过纸质阅读来实现。在阅读过程中,我们的大脑会建立复杂的回路,这需要付出努力和时间。人工智能工具可能会导致认知卸载,从而削弱学生进行深入思考和批判性分析的能力。 我们应该重视学习过程中的努力和付出,因为这才是真正能够培养学生思维能力的关键。在阅读中,我们不仅要解码文字的表面意思,更要理解其背后的含义,并进行联想和推理。 研究表明,在关键的脑发育时期,纸质阅读比电子阅读更能促进阅读能力的发展。过多的电子设备使用会损害儿童的语言发展和注意力。我们需要谨慎对待人工智能技术在教育中的应用,避免其对儿童的负面影响。 单纯依靠技术手段无法解决美国教育中存在的阅读能力下降等问题。我们需要关注学生的学习动机,并创造更有利于学生探索和学习的环境。 Daniel: AI 正在迫使我们重新思考教育的意义和目的。我们需要关注学生学习的动机,以及如何利用技术来帮助学生进入探索模式,而不是让他们停留在被动模式。 Tristan: 我们需要关注 AI 对人际关系的潜在影响,并设计出能够最大限度地减少其负面影响的技术。我们需要关注 AI 对儿童注意力和语言发展的影响,并采取措施来保护儿童。我们需要关注 AI 对教育公平的影响,并采取措施来确保所有学生都能平等地获得优质教育。

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AI is disrupting education by providing students with tools that can easily complete assignments, leading to concerns about academic integrity and the need to rethink the purpose of education. This episode explores the impact of AI on education and discusses the need for a more human-centered approach to learning.
  • AI tools can complete essays and solve complex problems instantly.
  • Students feel pressured to use AI tools to keep up.
  • The old model of education feels broken.
  • AI forces a re-examination of the purpose of education.

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AI has upended schooling as we know it. Students now have instant access to tools that can write their essays, summarize entire books, and solve complex math problems. Whether they want to or not, many feel pressured to use these tools just to keep up. Teachers, meanwhile, are left questioning how to evaluate student performance and whether the whole idea of assignments and grading still makes sense. The old model of education suddenly feels broken.

So what comes next?

In this episode, Daniel and Tristan sit down with cognitive neuroscientist Maryanne Wolf and global education expert Rebecca Winthrop—two lifelong educators who have spent decades thinking about how children learn and how technology reshapes the classroom. Together, they explore how AI is shaking the very purpose of school to its core, why the promise of previous classroom tech failed to deliver, and how we might seize this moment to design a more human-centered, curiosity-driven future for learning.

Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology). Follow us on X: @HumaneTech_)

Guests

Rebecca Winthrop) is director of the Center for Universal Education at the Brookings Institution and chair Brookings Global Task Force on AI and Education. Her new book is The Disengaged Teen: Helping Kids Learn Better, Feel Better, and Live Better, co-written with Jenny Anderson.

Maryanne Wolf) is a cognitive neuroscientist and expert on the reading brain. Her books include Proust and the Squid: The Story and Science of the Reading Brain and Reader, Come Home: The Reading Brain in a Digital World.

**RECOMMENDED MEDIA **The Disengaged Teen: Helping Kids Learn Better, Feel Better, and Live Better)* *by Rebecca Winthrop and Jenny Anderson

Proust and the Squid, Reader, Come Home, and other books) by Maryanne Wolf

The OECD research which found little benefit to desktop computers in the classroom)

Further reading on the Singapore study on digital exposure and attention) cited by Maryanne 

The Burnout Society) by Byung-Chul Han 

Further reading on the VR Bio 101 class at Arizona State University) cited by Rebecca 

Leapfrogging Inequality) by Rebecca Winthrop

The Nation’s Report Card )from NAEP 

Further reading on the Nigeria AI Tutor Study

Further reading on the JAMA paper showing a link between digital exposure and lower language development) cited by Maryanne 

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