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The Narrow Path: Sam Hammond on AI, Institutions, and the Fragile Future

2025/6/12
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Eza Raskin: 我认为人工智能的发展存在两种极端情况:一种是少数国家和公司掌握权力,形成反乌托邦;另一种是权力分散导致混乱。因此,我们需要找到一条狭窄的道路,使权力和责任相匹配。我和Sam来自不同的背景,但我们对人工智能的发展方向有着共识。 Daniel Barkay: 我认为人工智能的发展可能会导致集权控制或失控的混乱,但存在一条狭窄的道路,即技术力量与责任相匹配。 Sam Hammond: 我认为技术塑造和改变了我们制度的本质。如果发生另一次技术转型,我们应该默认假设会发生类似规模的制度转型。我们需要巩固民族国家内部的权力,同时保持对自由、法治和法律面前人人平等的尊重。挑战在于如何保持稳定,并应对同时加强国家和社会力量的冲击。

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The race to develop ever-more-powerful AI is creating an unstable dynamic. It could lead us toward either dystopian centralized control or uncontrollable chaos. But there's a third option: a narrow path where technological power is matched with responsibility at every step.

Sam Hammond is the chief economist at the Foundation for American Innovation. He brings a different perspective to this challenge than we do at CHT. Though he approaches AI from an innovation-first standpoint, we share a common mission on the biggest challenge facing humanity: finding and navigating this narrow path.

This episode dives deep into the challenges ahead: How will AI reshape our institutions? Is complete surveillance inevitable, or can we build guardrails around it? Can our 19th-century government structures adapt fast enough, or will they be replaced by a faster moving private sector? And perhaps most importantly: how do we solve the coordination problems that could determine whether we build AI as a tool to empower humanity or as a superintelligence that we can't control?

We're in the final window of choice before AI becomes fully entangled with our economy and society. This conversation explores how we might still get this right.

Your Undivided Attention is produced by the Center for Humane Technology). Follow us on X: @HumaneTech_). You can find a full transcript, key takeaways, and much more on our Substack).**RECOMMENDED MEDIA **

Tristan’s TED talk on the Narrow Path)

Sam’s 95 Theses on AI)

Sam’s proposal for a Manhattan Project for AI Safety)

Sam’s series on AI and Leviathan)

The Narrow Corridor: States, Societies, and the Fate of Liberty by Daron Acemoglu and James Robinson)

Dario Amodei’s Machines of Loving Grace essay.)

Bourgeois Dignity: Why Economics Can’t Explain the Modern World by Deirdre McCloskey)

The Paradox of Libertarianism by Tyler Cowen)

Dwarkesh Patel’s interview with Kevin Roberts at the FAI’s annual conference)

Further reading on surveillance with 6G)

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Sam referenced a blog post titled “The Libertarian Paradox” by Tyler Cowen. The actual title is the “Paradox of Libertarianism.” 

Sam also referenced a blog post titled “The Collapse of Complex Societies” by Eli Dourado. The actual title is “A beginner’s guide to sociopolitical collapse.”