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Why Musk Doesn’t Have Access to SpaceX’s Biggest Government Secrets

2024/12/17
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Patience Hagen: 互联网服务提供商的'营养标签'旨在方便消费者比较不同套餐,但实际上却难以查找和理解。这些标签通常隐藏在购买流程中不显眼的位置,许多消费者甚至不知道它们的存在。即使找到了,标签本身也难以阅读和比较,缺乏标准化。FCC虽然表示将改进标签,但目前尚未采取有效的监管措施。 Joe Palazzolo: SpaceX CEO马斯克没有获得公司内部某些员工拥有的高级别安全许可,这主要是因为SpaceX的律师认为,鉴于马斯克过去的个人行为(例如吸食大麻和使用氯胺酮)以及与外国官员的联系,申请更高级别的安全许可风险太大。如果申请被拒,马斯克不仅会失去接触更高级别政府机密的资格,还可能失去现有的最高机密安全许可,从而影响SpaceX与政府的合作。尽管马斯克已被任命为政府效率部门的联合领导人,但他目前仍无法接触SpaceX最重要的政府机密。

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Why are internet plan nutrition labels hard to find and understand?

The labels are required to be provided at the time of purchase but are often inconspicuous, hidden in tiny links or QR codes, and not standardized, making them difficult for consumers to locate and compare.

What are the main issues with the FCC's internet plan labels?

The labels are not prominently displayed, consumers are often unaware of their existence, and there is no standardization, leading to confusion and difficulty in comparing plans.

What could the FCC do to improve internet plan labels?

The FCC could mandate more prominent display of labels, standardize their format, and increase enforcement to ensure providers comply effectively.

Why doesn't Elon Musk have access to SpaceX's biggest government secrets?

SpaceX lawyers advised against seeking higher clearance for Musk due to risks, including his past use of recreational drugs and international contacts, which could jeopardize his top-secret clearance and the company's national security contracts.

What kind of security clearance does Elon Musk currently have?

Musk has a top-secret security clearance, which is the highest of three general levels, but it does not grant him access to sensitive compartmented information or special access programs.

How is Musk's clearance status different from other defense contractor CEOs?

CEOs of companies like Lockheed Martin and Boeing have access to sensitive compartmented information, while Musk does not, as SpaceX deemed it too risky to pursue higher clearance for him.

What could happen to Musk's clearance if he co-leads the Department of Government Efficiency?

Musk may need access to classified Pentagon spending, and President-elect Trump could potentially grant him access without traditional vetting, which SpaceX is preparing for.

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Despite a new FCC rule requiring internet service providers to display standardized price and speed data on labels similar to nutrition facts panels, consumers are finding them difficult to locate and understand. The labels are often inconspicuous, tucked away in online checkouts or not readily known to store employees.
  • FCC mandated nutrition labels for internet plans.
  • Labels are hard to find both online and in stores.
  • Lack of standardization and enforcement hinders usability.

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Amazon Q Business is the generative AI assistant from AWS, because business can be slow, like wading through mud. But Amazon Q helps streamline work, so tasks like summarizing monthly results can be done in no time. Learn what Amazon Q Business can do for you at aws.com slash learn more. Welcome to Tech News Briefing. It's Tuesday, December 17th. I'm Julie Chang for The Wall Street Journal.

Internet plants now come with nutrition labels that disclose prices and speeds. But what do they look like and where can you find them? Plus, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk does not have access to his rocket company's biggest government secrets. We'll tell you why and what this means now that he's been tapped by President-elect Donald Trump to co-lead the new Department of Government Efficiency.

But first, you know those nutrition labels you see on the side of cereal boxes? This year, a rule from the Federal Communications Commission took effect that requires internet service providers to list standardized price and speed data on labels that look like nutrition fax panels on packaged foods.

These labels would allow consumers to compare internet plans. But WSJ reporter Patience Hagen found that customers have difficulty finding them. And when they do find them, they're tough to understand. Patience joins us now. Patience, where can I find these labels? Because I've never seen one. Yeah, so they're required to be provided at the time of purchase. So that's

when you sign up for your internet plan online or in a store. But they're kind of inconspicuous, like they're not in an obvious place. And a lot of people don't know they exist, don't even notice them when they're checking out. In some cases, the way the company complies with that requirement is that on the checkout screen, you'd have to notice a tiny link at the bottom and click that link in order to find it.

The whole idea of these labels was to give us an easy way to know what we're paying for, maybe just as easy as looking at the side of a cereal box.

But it's turned out to be nothing like that for most consumers because it's so hard to find. Consumers don't know it's there. They don't know to look for it. Yeah, you went to a few stores to hunt these labels down. Can you tell us about that? I went to five different stores for the five largest internet service providers. I just wanted to do a quick kind of a check to see how they were following the FCC requirement to have these labels provided in store where people are making their purchases.

In no cases was it easy to find. And in no cases was it really something that the employees were used to a person asking for. And in a few of the stores, the employees didn't even know what these labels were. And what have the broadband companies said about this?

The companies maintain that they did comply with the requirement because they did have the label accessible in some way at the time of purchase. Some stores, they do this by putting a QR code on the wall or on a table. Other companies, they explain to me the way they comply with it is...

they show you the labels when you're getting really close to completing the purchase. They explained to me if you'd gone through all the steps of completing a purchase and been at that final checkout stage, then an employee would have given you the chance to see the labels on their iPad.

They kind of explained like, oh, you didn't go deep enough in our purchase process to see it. Is there anything that the FCC could do to make the labels more useful? Yeah, some consumer advocates and industry watchdogs have ideas for that. They could change the way they're required to be displayed. Imagine if they were required to be displayed a lot more prominently, whether that's in store or on the website. Another factor is the labels, they're not really standardized yet.

They can be a little tricky to read, to compare directly. Yeah, and the other part of this is if you're going to set rules, you also have to regulate them. So how has regulation by the FCC been so far? There's been no enforcement. If the FCC had broad enforcement actions, that would be public. And has the FCC said anything else in response to your reporting?

The FCC has called these labels an iterative process. They've said that the current labels are a starting point. They've suggested that they're open to improving it and maybe making the requirements a bit more stringent. The FCC is also mounting a consumer awareness campaign for these labels just to make people know that they're there and maybe consumers will be demanding to see them more. That was our reporter, Patience Hagen.

Coming up, SpaceX launches payloads for the U.S. military and spy agencies. Those are usually shared only with select employees at the rocket company who hold special security clearances. SpaceX CEO Elon Musk isn't one of them. More on that after the break. Amazon Q Business is the new generative AI assistant from AWS because many tasks can make business slow, as if wading through mud.

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Elon Musk is the CEO of SpaceX. The rocket company he founded in 2002 has worked with national security agencies since its early days. More recently, it entered into a $1.8 billion classified contract with the National Reconnaissance Office, a spy agency that operates satellites. That's according to people familiar with the matter and company documents viewed by the journal. CEOs of companies that contract with the Defense Department typically get a special level of security clearance.

But Musk doesn't even have clearance that some staffers at his rocket company have. That's because SpaceX lawyers have agreed it'd be too risky for him to seek higher clearance, according to reporting by the Wall Street Journal. Now, those concerns could soon become irrelevant, since Musk has been tapped by President-elect Donald Trump to co-lead the Department of Government Efficiency, which will advise the incoming administration on cutting spending and regulations.

WSJ investigations reporter Joe Palazzolo has been following the story and he's with me now. Joe, what kind of security clearance does Elon Musk have? He has a top secret security clearance. So there's three general levels.

And top secret is the highest of those three. So then with top secret security clearance, what kind of information is Musk not entitled to at SpaceX? Despite the name top secret, there are extra bells and whistles that can be attached to the top secret security clearance.

And so a top secret security clearance by itself doesn't give you access to categories of information that are super secret. So one of those categories is sensitive compartmented information. That's like need to know secrets about kind of means and methods and sources of intelligence.

And then there are these other secret programs called special access programs. And so there are, you know, a whole bunch of other security requirements that one has to undergo to get access to those SAPs, those special access programs. And what does this mean in practice for Elon Musk at SpaceX?

So at SpaceX, the bulk of the national security work that it does requires employees who work on that national security work to have access to sensitive compartmented information. A smaller number have access to that super secret universe of intel that I just discussed called SAP. So Musk has access to neither of those. He doesn't have those extra authorizations on his top secret clearance. How interesting.

How is this different from other CEOs at defense contractors like Lockheed Martin and Boeing? Yeah, so at Lockheed, Boeing and their joint rocket company, ULA, United Launch Alliance, the CEOs there do have this SCI access, this access to sensitive compartmented information, the need to know information.

info about their companies, according to the people that we spoke with. Since SpaceX is a government contractor, could the company have requested higher clearance for Musk? They could have, but internally there were discussions about this after the journal reported in June 2023 that Musk used ketamine.

There were discussions about whether to seek, for lack of a better word, a higher clearance for him. And what the lawyers concluded was that it was just too much of a risk. So Musk has a top secret clearance, but it took him a very long time to get that, longer than usual. It took years for him to get that. And inside SpaceX, the belief was that the top secret clearance was held up for a long time because in 2018, he went on Joe Rogan's podcast and he smoked marijuana.

So there was already that out there. And that may have factored into their advice not to seek a higher clearance above and beyond what he has right now. And marijuana is, while it's legal in a lot of states, it's illegal under federal law. Ketamine can be legally prescribed off-label for depression and other issues. But we've reported that while he says he has a prescription for ketamine, he's also used it recreationally. And on his website,

security questionnaire that he would have to fill out. He would have to disclose use of ketamine and other drugs within the past seven years. He'd have to disclose his contacts with foreign nationals. The Journal has reported about those contacts, including his communications with Vladimir Putin. So there were a bunch of questions he was going to have to answer that they didn't want him to answer. And then there was a risk that he would be denied. And if he were denied, he might not

only lose or be barred from these two special kinds of government secrets, but he might also lose his top secret clearance. And that could have a cascading effect, you know, make the company jump through a lot more hoops to maintain its own access and to continue to do some of the national security work that it does. So in the end,

It was too risky, they decided. And the executives, at least to this point at SpaceX, have taken that advice to heart.

So Joe, now that Elon Musk has been tapped by President-elect Trump to co-lead the new Department of Government Efficiency, aka DOGE, what could happen to Musk's current clearance status? Yeah, so I mean, the Department of Government Efficiency, you know, it has this mandate to cut spending and cut regulations. And Musk has already mentioned the Pentagon is a potential target for those cuts. So

You know, you'd think that if you're going to be cutting at the Pentagon, you're going to need access to all its spending on classified programs. And that means he's going to need access.

While SpaceX may not have wanted to put him through the traditional security vetting, Donald Trump, the president-elect, will, as president, have power to give him access without having to go through that traditional review. Trump hasn't said he's going to do that, but it's a possibility that has been raised. And within SpaceX, they are ready.

Preparing for that eventuality, they're looking for space for the Department of Government Efficiency to be able to review highly classified information. Did Musk, SpaceX, or the Trump transition team comment on your story? No, none of them did. Musk, SpaceX, nor the Trump transition responded to multiple requests for comment.

We also reached out to the Pentagon for comment, and a spokeswoman there said that federal privacy law prevented her from commenting on the details or status of an individual's security clearance. That was our reporter, Joe Palazzolo. And that's it for Tech News Briefing. Today's show was produced by me, Julie Chang, with supervising producer, Catherine Millsap. We had additional support from Danny Lewis, and we'll be back this afternoon with TNB Tech Minute. Thanks for listening.

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