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Degrowth explained: A radical idea for a sustainable future

2025/6/12
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Alvaro Alvarez: 我认为“去增长”的核心在于停止社会各部门的指数级生产,但这并不意味着减少一切。我们需要减少那些对我们没有益处的生产,例如快时尚和私人飞机,同时增加公共交通和再生农业等。GDP作为衡量经济的指标是不完善的,因为它忽略了环境影响和不平等。我们需要超越GDP,关注如何在地球的承载能力范围内实现所有人的福祉。我认为“去增长”不是要求不够的人减少生活,而是要求拥有过多的人过上足够的生活。 Anna: 我和我的伴侣非常重视可持续性,所以我们尽可能多地使用可再生资源和升级改造的二手材料来建造房屋。我们的房屋完全依靠太阳能、雨水和堆肥厕所系统。我尽可能多地种植水果和蔬菜,如果不能自己种植,就购买当地的或干脆不吃。我喜欢缝纫,但不喜欢纺织品的浪费,所以使用在垃圾场找到的二手材料来制作衣服。我们的目标不是自给自足,而是社区自给自足,利用时间和空间的优势,通过免费食品储藏室为社区的人们提供更好、更健康的食物选择。 Sam Fankhauser: 我认为“去增长”低估了创新、对新技术和新解决方案的投资以及他们提议的社会可行性。自1990年以来,英国从每吨二氧化碳中获得的经济繁荣是1990年的三倍。虽然速度不够快,但我们正处于技术变革的加速阶段。

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More money, more growth, more stuff. Can our economies keep on growing forever? And should they? A group of activists and academics are questioning the possibility of endless economic growth on a finite planet and are advocating for a bold solution: degrowth.

The movement argues for a 'democratisation of the economy' and for collectively managing key resources, like housing. This, they argue, would also help us to live more sustainably - and help in the fight against climate change. But critics argue that opposing economic growth is impractical and warn of negative consequences, especially for the most vulnerable.

BBC journalist Alvaro Alvarez has been reporting on this. He joins us to explain the pros and cons of the theory. We also hear from Cambridge university professor Sam Fankhauser, and a TikToker in New Zealand who’s living her off-grid dream.

Instagram: @bbcwhatintheworld Email: [email protected] WhatsApp: +44 330 12 33 22 6 Presenter: William Lee Adams Producers: Mora Morrison and Emily Horler Video Journalists: Kesewaa Browne and Baldeep Chahal Editor: Julia Ross-Roy