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China Across CSIS: What Are U.S. and NATO Views on China?

2025/6/12
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Henrietta Levin: 作为前国务院副中国事务协调员，我认为本届特朗普政府在对华政策上延续了一些前任政府和拜登政府的策略，尤其是在将对华政策与国内政策和经济安全联系起来方面。然而，在具体实施上，特朗普政府似乎颠倒了拜登政府“投资、结盟、竞争”的策略顺序，倾向于通过与中国竞争来促进对美国的投资，这可能会削弱与北京进行建设性对话的基础。我认为与北京进行建设性对话需要信心、实力和领导力，而当前的方法可能会使特朗普政府实现其确保美国家庭经济安全的目标变得复杂。 Luis Simón: 作为欧洲安全专家，我观察到特朗普第一届政府在2019年就开始推动北约更加重视中国。尽管许多欧洲盟友坚持认为北约应专注于欧洲-大西洋地区，但乌克兰战争和对俄罗斯的担忧实际上增加了北约对中国的关注，因为中国在支持俄罗斯的侵略战争中发挥了决定性作用。本届特朗普政府推动欧洲盟友将其战略资源和注意力集中在欧洲-大西洋地区的安全上，并强调需要明确优先事项，将印太地区的中国挑战视为最重要的事情。我认为北约和跨大西洋关系应考虑如何在不损害北约首要任务（即确保欧洲-大西洋地区安全）的情况下，在中国问题上为美国与中国的竞争增加价值。

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Henrietta Levin discusses the continuities and discontinuities in US-China policy between the Biden and Trump administrations. She highlights the focus on economic security and national security, but also notes differences in approach, particularly regarding the "invest, align, compete" strategy of the Biden administration.
  • Continuity in linking China policy to domestic policy and focus on economic security.
  • Biden's "invest, align, compete" strategy versus Trump's focus on competition to rebuild domestic strength.
  • Concerns about the Trump administration's approach complicating efforts to achieve shared objectives.

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In this episode from The Impossible State, host Victor Cha moderates a discussion with Henrietta Levin, former Deputy China Coordinator for Global Affairs at the U.S. Department of State and former Director for China at the National Security Council, and Dr. Luis Simón, director of the Centre for Security, Diplomacy and Strategy (CSDS) at the Vrije Universiteit Brussel (VUB) School of Governance and the Brussels office of the Elcano Royal Institute.

Together, they discuss the Trump administration’s policy toward China, U.S.–China trade relations, the future of U.S. and NATO engagement with China, and more.

Originally aired on May 28, 2025.