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China Watchers See Parallels in American Politics

2025/3/21
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David Lampton: 我认为美国当前政治中存在着与中国文化大革命的相似之处,尤其是在媒体控制和个人崇拜的构建方面。虽然美国是民主制度,中国是一党专制,两者并不完全相同,但这些相似之处令人不安。 我看到了特朗普政府对媒体的控制,以及试图建立个人崇拜的迹象,这些都与文化大革命时期中国共产党的手段有着惊人的相似之处。虽然两者之间存在差异,但这些相似之处仍然令人担忧。 我们需要警惕这些相似之处,并采取措施防止美国政治走向极端。 Orville Schell: 我认为特朗普和毛泽东都相信,只有先破坏才能有创造力。他们都对现存秩序深感怀疑,认为需要推翻。 毛泽东通过清洗官员来实现他的目标,而特朗普则宣称要‘清除沼泽’。虽然他们的方法不同,但他们的目标是相同的:摧毁现存秩序,建立一个新的秩序。 这种对现存秩序的怀疑和破坏的意愿,是他们共同的特征,也是他们与文化大革命时期中国政治的相似之处。 Donald Trump: 我正在清除沼泽,非民选官僚的统治时代已经结束。 Yukon Huang: 我认为特朗普的全球视野与习近平的全球视野非常相似,都体现出一种扩张主义和民族主义的倾向。 特朗普的‘让美国再次伟大’口号与习近平的‘中国梦’有异曲同工之妙,都强调本国利益优先,并采取强硬的外交政策。 这种扩张主义和民族主义的倾向,是他们共同的特征,也是他们与文化大革命时期中国政治的相似之处。 Wu Guoguang: 我认为‘让美国再次伟大’与‘中国梦’非常相似,都体现出一种权力集中的倾向。 虽然美国有制衡机制和公众舆论,但如果缺乏大规模的抗议活动,这些机制可能无法有效运作。 我越来越悲观地认为美国的制衡机制正在有效运作,权力集中的趋势令人担忧。

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American political scientists and historians who study China say they see more parallels today between Chinese politics and their own country, the United States. NPR's Emily Fang spent the last decade covering China and has this report. David Lampton is a political science professor at Johns Hopkins University on the Washington, D.C. campus.

Lampton also lived in China during what was called the Cultural Revolution, a decade-long mass movement ending in the 1970s to purge what the then-chairman Mao Zedong believed were deep state elements conspiring against the communist cause and his hold on power. There are echoes of kind of cultural revolution politics in American politics today.

Specifically, the attempt to control media, to build a cult of personality, all has differences between now here in the U.S. and there. But there are also some, let's say, eerie echoes. Echoes like how the Trump administration has banned the AP's access to certain media events in the Oval Office or onboard Air Force One.

Here's Trump. Now, the Associated Press, as you know, has been very, very wrong on the election, on Trump and the treatment of Trump. Lampton is among the China watchers who have spent most of their adult lives studying China and who now find themselves using their expertise to understand American politics.

They stress the U.S. is a democracy with functioning courts to balance the executive branch. And China is a one-party system, so they are not identical. But these China watchers do feel uneasy at the parallels they are seeing.

Orville Schell is director of the Center on U.S.-China Relations at the Asia Society in New York, and he also sees similarities between Trump and his downsizing of the federal government and Mao Zedong. Both of these men are deeply in love with the idea that you can't be creative unless you first destroy. Mao purged bureaucrats, citing disloyalty and alleged dissent.

President Trump has vowed the same. Because we are draining the swamp. It's very simple. And the days of rule by unelected bureaucrats are over. Shame.

Shell says Mao was constantly suspicious of other party officials, hence multiple purges. Here, both men, I think, shared a kind of common sense of paranoia that the existing order is fundamentally hostile to him and needs to be overturned. Other China experts like Yukon Huang at the Washington think tank Carnegie Endowment for International Peace said,

compare Trump's global outlook to another Chinese leader, the current one, Xi Jinping. When you talk about making America great again,

This is very similar to the view of Xi, who sees a much more expansionary, important role for China and Asia. As in China's aggressive ramp up of its military and economic influence in the Asia-Pacific and Africa is comparable to Trump's more muscular foreign policy, threatening to take the Panama Canal and expressing desire to control Greenland and Canada, all the while stressing American interests first. One of Xi Jinping's key slogans is this.

The China Dream, for what he calls here on the Chinese Communist Paper, The People's Daily, the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation. Things like MAGA, just like, you know, a China Dream. This is Wu Guoguang, a former advisor to a reformist Chinese leader. Wu moved to the U.S. in the 1990s and is now a political science researcher at Stanford University, studying how leaders like China's Xi Jinping use policy to concentrate power and

He says American democracy does have ways to stop this kind of concentration. Checks and balances and public opinion. OK, civil society. But absent mass demonstrations, Wu says he's increasingly pessimistic those checks and balances are working well enough. NPR reached out to two China experts who worked for the Trump administration during the first term. They declined to be interviewed.

And Wu is not alone. Last month, more than 1,200 American political scientists signed a letter protesting what they see as the undermining of checks and balances in the U.S. system by the Trump administration. Emily Fang, NPR News, Washington.

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