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Mexico and Canada React to U.S. Tariffs; Ukraine Adjusts to Losing U.S. Support

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Jackie Northam: 加拿大对美国政府实施的25%的报复性关税表示强烈谴责。我们已经准备好对价值约1000亿美元的美国商品征收关税,并将分三个星期逐步实施。此外,我们还威胁要切断对某些美国行业的加拿大原油和水电供应。特鲁多总理在新闻发布会上对特朗普总统的决定表示难以置信,并指出美国与加拿大(其最亲密的伙伴和盟友)发起了贸易战,与此同时,他们却在积极地与俄罗斯合作,试图安抚弗拉基米尔·普京,一个撒谎成性的杀人犯独裁者。这一决定将给加拿大人带来巨大的经济痛苦,他敦促加拿大人保持团结。 Jackie Northam: 加拿大认为这不仅仅是一个贸易伙伴的问题,更是一个长期盟友关系破裂的问题。特鲁多总理甚至暗示特朗普总统的真正目标是摧毁加拿大经济,以便美国能够吞并加拿大。在新闻发布会上,他直视镜头,直呼特朗普的名字,并提到了《华尔街日报》最近的一篇社论。 Jackie Northam: 经济学家和分析师预测,这可能会导致加拿大经济衰退,没有人知道它会持续多久。特鲁多已经谈到延长失业救济金,帮助受关税严重打击的企业。但是,已经有关于成本上升和合同被取消的讨论。一些省份正在超越联邦政府的报复努力。例如,安大略省取消了与SpaceX公司(埃隆·马斯克的卫星互联网公司)价值1亿美元的合同。 Ader Peralta: 墨西哥总统克劳迪娅·谢恩鲍姆发表了非常冷静的讲话,谴责特朗普总统违反了他自己签署的自由贸易协定,认为单方面采取这一行动是毫无意义的。她呼吁墨西哥人民在墨西哥城索卡洛广场集会,届时她将宣布墨西哥的回应。她没有宣布任何报复性措施,而是试图与特朗普总统进行对话,试图在周日之前取消这些关税。 经济学家预测,这场贸易战将导致墨西哥经济衰退,物价上涨和裁员。墨西哥80%的出口都销往美国,两国之间的贸易额达数十亿美元,涵盖从燃料到汽车、电子产品、塑料、谷物到鳄梨等各种商品。美国公司在墨西哥开展大量业务,因此这场贸易战的影响不会局限于墨西哥。例如,墨西哥最大的出口商之一是通用汽车公司,一家美国汽车制造商。 墨西哥总统一直强调,与美国建立的伙伴关系在过去30年里一直是一件好事,它带来了强劲的墨西哥经济,并且两国和平共处,构成了世界上最大的市场之一。现在,特朗普总统似乎正在毁掉这一切,墨西哥总统已经在谈论寻找新的市场。一个关键问题是,这些关税是否会持续足够长的时间,以至于墨西哥会转向北美以外的地区? Oleksandr Merezhko: 我最初对特朗普总统抱有很高的期望,甚至在去年提名他获得诺贝尔和平奖。我希望他能为乌克兰带来和平,但这并不是指对侵略者的绥靖政策,也不是指以牺牲我们的领土或国家利益为代价的和平。我的意思是建立在国际法和联合国宪章原则基础上的稳定和平。在特朗普总统和副总统在椭圆形办公室斥责泽连斯基总统之后,我仍然对特朗普总统抱有信心。现在我明白,那不是巧合,也不是情绪爆发,而是蓄谋已久的行为。特朗普需要一个借口或理由来责备泽连斯基,责备乌克兰,并剥夺我们的武器。 Modeshko: 我们应该记住,特朗普不是美国,美国要大得多,美国仍然是我们的盟友。这不是一个只有国王的意志才能起作用的王国,这是一个民主国家。乌克兰的利害关系太大了,不能以任何其他方式看待它。 Hanna Schellis: 美国暂停援助的决定可能是因为克里姆林宫没有做出任何让步,美国需要将责任归咎于乌克兰,而不是认识到俄罗斯的要求和行动是多么强烈。 Volodymyr Zelensky: 我们希望建设性的合作和伙伴关系,白宫发生的事情而不是我们的谈判令人遗憾。但是我们需要找到继续前进的力量,互相尊重,就像我们一直尊重美国、欧洲和我们所有伙伴一样,并共同努力,使和平更近一步。 Artur Babenko: 我不信任俄罗斯人。我的大学教授被捕,一些人仍然被关押。有酷刑和将儿童驱逐到俄罗斯的情况。 Olena Daineko: 我想每个乌克兰人都为此担心。当然,我担心,因为我的丈夫也是乌克兰军队的军官,我的许多朋友和同事也是。

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You're listening to State of the World from NPR. We're the day's most vital international stories up close where they're happening. It's Tuesday, March 4th. I'm Greg Dixon. In a few minutes, Ukraine reacts to the Trump administration suspending military aid. First, after weeks of taunts and threats, President Trump has followed through on slapping 25% tariffs on America's two biggest trading partners, Mexico and Canada.

China also had its tariffs raised from 10 to 20 percent. Canada and China have hit back with retaliatory tariffs. Mexico says it will do the same. We're going to hear about the impact of these moves from NPR's Jackie Northam and Ader Peralta. They spoke to Juana Summers. Jackie, I'll start with you. What was Canada's response?

Well, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau immediately pledged that Canada would impose retaliatory tariffs. He said 25% import taxes would be placed on about $100 billion of U.S. products, and that'll be rolled out over the next three weeks. And there are also threats to withhold Canadian crude oil and hydroelectricity to some U.S. industries.

You know, Canada has been bracing for these terrorists ever since Trump first threatened to unveil them a month ago. And still during, you know, a lengthy press conference today, Trudeau seemed incredulous that Trump went ahead with them. The United States launched a trade war against Canada, their closest partner and ally, their closest friend. At the same time, they're talking about working positively with Russia,

appeasing Vladimir Putin, a lying, murderous dictator. Make that make sense. Trudeau warned that Trump's decision to place steep tariffs on the country will cause Canadians a lot of economic pain, and he urged them to stay strong and united. Ader, over to you. Mexico's Claudia Sheinbaum has also been talking. What has she had to say? I mean, it was a different approach. The strategy for Mexico has been to try to keep political

They have tried not to antagonize President Trump. Even today, President Claudia Sheinbaum gave a very sober speech. She said President Trump was breaking a free trade deal he signed himself. She said this unilateral move was senseless and said there was no reason to do this. It's time for Mexico's defense and its sovereignty.

We must be attentive and have tranquility, a cold head. It's time to defend Mexico, she said. We have to be poised, but we also have to keep a cool head. And to that end, she did not announce any retaliatory measures. Instead, she called on Mexicans to show up at the Zócalo, which is the main square here in Mexico City on Sunday, where she would announce how Mexico would respond. But

But what you get the feeling is that she delayed responding in order to try to talk to President Trump and try to get these tariffs removed before Sunday. Well, as both of these leaders have said, there are no winners in a trade war. So what's likely to be the impact on both sides of the border? Ada, are you first?

I mean, economists here are saying recession. One economist said that it feels like the beginning of the pandemic. No one knows what's coming or how long it will last. 80% of Mexico's exports go to the United States. Mexico is the United States' biggest trading partner. We're talking billions and billions of dollars in trade, everything from fuel to cars to electronics to plastics to cereals to avocados,

Prices will rise in both countries and we may see mass layoffs. Octavio de la Torre, the president of Concanaco, a conglomerate of chambers of commerce, says the U.S. stock markets are reacting negatively for a reason.

You can't isolate the effect only to Mexico, he said, because American companies are doing a ton of work here. For example, one of the biggest exporters here in Mexico is General Motors, an American car manufacturer. And Jackie, what about in Canada? What's the likely impact there?

Well, economists and analysts are predicting that this could send Canada into a recession as well. No one knows how long it's going to last. And Trudeau's talked about extending unemployment insurance for workers and helping businesses hard hit by tariffs. But, you know, there's already talk of seeing higher costs and contracts being cancelled.

Some provinces are going beyond federal efforts to retaliate. For example, Ontario cancelled a $100 million contract with Starlink, and that's Elon Musk's satellite internet company. Well, I mean, as we already mentioned, these two countries are the U.S.'s biggest trading partners. But Jackie, looking beyond trade for a moment, what's the likely knock-on effect?

Yeah, I mean, Canada feels it was more than a trading partner. It was a longtime ally, and now that's shattered. And, you know, effectively, this is Trudeau's last week in office, and I think he may have felt free to go out on a limb. At a press conference, he suggested that Trump's real goal is to collapse Canada's economy so the U.S. could annex the country. And at one point, Juana, Trudeau addressed Trump directly. He looked directly straight into the camera and called him by his first name as he referred to a recent editorial in the Wall Street Journal.

Donald, they point out that even though you're a very smart guy, this is a very dumb thing to do. And no surprise, Trump responded dismissively, calling him Governor Trudeau and threatening more tariffs likely next month. Adderall, I'll let you have the last word here. What about Mexico? I mean, look, this Mexican-American partnership has not been easy to build. These are two countries that have been at war. Mexico lost half its territory to the United States.

And one thing that the Mexican president keeps saying is that this partnership, which has been forged for the past 30 years or so, is in the end a good thing. It has meant a robust Mexican economy. It means the countries are living peacefully in what has become the biggest market in the world. And now it seems President Trump is throwing that away. And the Mexican president is already talking about finding new markets.

So the question is, do these tariffs stick around long enough for Mexico to turn away from North America? Do these tariffs stick around long enough to undo what has become a special relationship between Mexico and the U.S.? And the big question is, does this mark an end to globalism? That is NPR's Ader Peralta and Jackie Northam. Thanks to both of you. Thank you. Thank you, Juana.

Following an explosive Oval Office meeting between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the U.S. has announced it is suspending military aid to Ukraine. Russia has welcomed the move. Ukraine's president has repeated his desire to improve his relationship with Trump and work towards a lasting peace. Meanwhile, Ukrainians are wondering, can they manage to keep fighting the war without their single most important ally? Here's NPR's Joanna Kikisis in Kyiv.

When I first interviewed Ukrainian lawmaker Oleksandr Merezhko last month, he had high hopes for President Trump. He even nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize last year. Because I hope that

He might bring peace to Ukraine, but by peace, I don't mean appeasement of the aggressor. I don't mean peace at the expense of our territories or our national interests. I mean stable peace, which is firmly based on the principles of international law and the UN Charter.

Merezhko kept the faith even after Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance scolded Zelensky at the Oval Office. When I asked Merezhko today about the Trump administration freezing aid to Ukraine, he said he was in shock and saw Friday's disastrous White House visit in a different light. Because now I understand that it was not a coincidence. It was not like outburst of emotions. It was premeditated.

Trump needed an excuse or justification to blame Zelensky, to blame Ukraine, and to deprive us of this weaponry. Hanna Schellis, director of security studies at the Ukrainian PRISM Foreign Policy Council, wonders if the Trump team's decision came because of the

Kremlin is not offering any concessions. They need to blame that it is Ukrainians guilty in the whole situation rather than understanding that the demands of Russia and the actions of Russia are so strong. Zelensky responded by repeating his desire to work with the Trump administration on a peace deal that will last.

We want constructive cooperation and partnerships, and what happened in the White House instead of our negotiations is regrettable. But we need to find the strength to move on, to respect each other as we always respect America, Europe and all our partners, and do everything together to bring peace closer.

In Kiev, next to a memorial wall for fallen soldiers, history teacher Artur Babenko says he does not trust the Russians. He's from the occupied Ukrainian city of Melitopol. My professors at my university were captured and some are still in captivity.

There is torture and deportations of children to Russia. Olena Daineko, who runs an agricultural organization, says she's concerned what the pause in weapons will actually mean. I think every Ukrainian is worried about it. Of course, I'm worried because my husband also is an officer of Ukrainian army and many of my friends and colleagues are

Poland, which neighbors Ukraine, said the Trump administration did not inform allies that it would freeze the aid, about a billion dollars worth of weapons and ammunition already in the pipeline. Ukraine says it can manage with the military aid it already has, at least for a few months, and European leaders are stepping in to support Ukraine in the U.S.'s absence. But

Modeshko, the Ukrainian lawmaker, says he's also pinning his hopes on the American public. We should remember that Trump is not America, that America is much bigger, that America remains our allies. It's not kingdom where only will of king matters. No, it's democracy. Ukraine has too much at stake, he says, to see it any other way. Joanna Kikis, NPR News, Kyiv.

That's the state of the world from NPR. Thanks for listening.

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