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The Future of Sweden's Military with Chief of Defense Michael Claesson

2025/4/16
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Michael Claesson: 加入北约后，瑞典军队发生了很大的变化，因为它迫使我们放眼全局，理解集体防御的意义，并建设作战能力。在未来几年，瑞典军队建设将优先巩固现有作战能力，增强部队的稳健性和可持续性，例如增加库存。未来将进行扩张，包括增强后勤能力，重建师级单位，并参与更多北约任务。我们需要在下一代战斗机和自主系统等方面做出战略决策。瑞典通过实验和与国防工业的对话，推动其适应新时代的需求，包括探索新技术在现有和下一代军事能力中的整合。下一代战斗机可能需要有人驾驶，并辅以蜂群技术和自主系统。瑞典军队面临着如何在动员中保持数字化部队更新的挑战，需要采用开放式架构和稳健的解决方案。瑞典正在努力从乌克兰战争中吸取教训，但需要改进将信息转化为有益行动的能力。俄罗斯在波罗的海地区的军事活动有所变化，但总体而言，情况仍然相对稳定。瑞典80年代和90年代研发的军事装备在乌克兰战争中表现良好，但无人机等新技术也带来了新的挑战。瑞典在支持乌克兰的同时，也在努力维持自身国防力量建设的平衡，正在从捐赠转向生产，以支持乌克兰，并投资乌克兰国防工业。培养下一代高级军事领导人需要关注多样性、教育和职业发展，并注重战略层面的领导经验。未来的军事领导人需要具备政府工作经验，并理解政策制定过程。

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General Claesson discusses his early interest in history and military activities, his family's reaction to his career choice, and his favorite job in uniform, which was a deployment to Afghanistan. He also shares his experience with writing for public consumption.
  • Early interest in history sparked military interest
  • Positive but uninformed family reaction
  • Favorite job: deployment to Afghanistan
  • Experience writing for public consumption

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Gen. Michael Claesson, Chief of Defense of the Swedish Armed Forces, joined Ryan during a visit to Washington to share how NATO has changed Sweden's armed forces as well as the details of their modernization, consolidation, and expansion efforts — on land, at sea, and in the air. They also discuss the challenges of mobilization in future wars defined by higher technology systems, training, working with industry, and how Sweden has learned from Russia's war against Ukraine. Claesson ends with his views on how he tries to shape Sweden's next generation of most senior military officers.