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Does the world need an Asian NATO?

2025/6/9
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Eli Ratner: 我认为当前美国及全球面临的主要挑战是中国日益增长的侵略潜力。中国人民解放军正在进行快速的军事现代化,因此,如何防止解放军的侵略破坏区域和世界的稳定,是美国外交政策,乃至全球都应该关注的核心问题。传统上,美国通过一系列双边联盟来应对这一挑战,但我认为这些联盟目前过于非正式和不完整。我们需要一个更正式的防御协议,来进行必要的规划和演习,以加强威慑,维护我们共同受益的和平。二战后建立的双边联盟,是美国作为主导力量在区域内提供保护,但现在中国对世界构成威胁,我们的盟友也更有能力,更愿意合作,因此美国应该利用集体力量来维护和平。我建议的联盟应该更侧重于那些对中国挑战有紧密共识的国家,如美国、日本、菲律宾和澳大利亚。这种有限的联盟能够提供最大的威慑力量,帮助预防中国人民解放军的侵略。我们现在就应该着手建立军事合作的基础,以便在危机发生时有更多选择。

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This chapter explores the need for a new security alliance in East and Southeast Asia to counter China's growing potential for aggression. It discusses the limitations of existing bilateral alliances and the advantages of a more formal defense pact in enhancing regional security and deterrence.
  • China's growing potential for aggression is the main challenge
  • Existing bilateral alliances are too informal and incomplete
  • A more formal defense pact is necessary for effective planning and exercising
  • Allies are more capable and willing to contribute than before

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Donald Trump thinks China is the US' main adversary on the global stage. It's a view that's been shared by senior Democrats and Republicans since Barack Obama's presidency. So is it time for a NATO-style alliance in the Indo-Pacific? Former Biden official Ely Ratner makes the case - and explains why it is different to NATO.

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