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Fear, loathing and lie detectors - Hegseth's Pentagon descends into "chaos"

2025/4/24
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Michael Evans: 我认为从Pete Hegseth被参议院确认担任国防部长的那天起,五角大楼内部就笼罩在一种谨慎、担忧和恐惧的氛围中。这与Hegseth缺乏大型组织管理经验以及他强硬的领导风格有关。他试图让这个庞大的机构精简,但这导致了一种‘要么服从,要么走人’的氛围,这在我之前在五角大楼的三年任职期间从未见过。最近,一种偏执的氛围开始蔓延,因为高层,特别是Hegseth本人,担心内部人员泄露信息。泄密在华盛顿很常见,但对现政府来说是不可接受的。Hegseth解雇了几名高级官员,而他自己也因通过Signal泄露机密信息而接受调查。虽然我认为他第一次泄密并非有意为之,但第二次泄密却牵涉到他的妻子、兄弟和私人律师,他们都在五角大楼工作。这使得他很难摆脱泄密丑闻。情报的机密性至关重要,但关于袭击胡塞武装的信息泄露并非发生在袭击之前,因此不属于传统意义上的泄密。然而,华盛顿的严重泄密事件会对‘五眼联盟’等情报共享网络产生影响,损害国际间的信任。尽管如此,美国与盟友之间的长期关系仍然至关重要,并且会持续下去。五角大楼的混乱局面会给美国的对手,特别是俄罗斯和中国,带来好处。普京可能会利用这种混乱,而中国则会长期关注并将其纳入战略考量,但不会立即采取行动。 Alex Dibble/Toby Gillis: Hegseth解雇多名高级官员,以及他自己正因泄密接受调查,这两件事之间存在关联,但并非完全因果关系。鉴于情报泄露的严重性,Hegseth试图清除泄密者是合理的,无论他自己是否也参与了泄密。如果Hegseth的领导导致国际关系恶化,那么他将失去职位,因为五角大楼的国际声誉至关重要。

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The sacking of key officials and departure of others has left US Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth without key advisors in the Pentagon. At a time when a culture of leaks appears to have developed the department, The Times' former Pentagon correspondent, Michael Evans, digs into whether Hegseth is the real problem and whether the damage being done is likely being met with glee in the Kremlin and Beijing.

The World in 10 is the Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security. Expert analysis of war, diplomatic relations and cyber security from The Times' foreign correspondents and military specialists. 

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