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Frontline special - security writer and Times columnist Edward Lucas

2025/6/14
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Philip Ingram: 我认为普京对伤亡数字并不在意,即使伤亡人数再增加几十万,他也不会放在心上。我们西方人总是以自己的价值观来衡量普京,这是很危险的。对我们来说,士兵的生命至关重要,但俄罗斯军队,无论是苏联时期还是现在的俄罗斯军队,对待士兵的方式都截然不同。在俄语俚语中,士兵被称为“木头”,这充分说明了他们的态度。虽然人员伤亡是可怕的,但对死者家属的经济补偿是相当可观的。俄罗斯人口众多,我们西方人不能想当然地认为普京会像我们一样无法忍受如此巨大的伤亡,从而改变策略。 Edward Lucas: 我同意Philip的观点,西方不应该一厢情愿地认为普京会因伤亡惨重而改变策略。实际上,从普京的角度来看,这场战争虽然没有完全按照他的计划进行,但总体上是成功的。他已经证明了核讹诈的有效性,在很大程度上分裂了大西洋联盟,并且表明我们西方人比我们自己预期的更快地感到厌倦和恐惧。目前,他在军事、外交和其他方面都占据着主动地位。

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This chapter discusses the symbolic significance of Russia reaching one million casualties in the war in Ukraine and analyzes Vladimir Putin's likely response. It also explores Donald Trump's position on the conflict and his potential actions concerning the milestone.
  • Russia approaching one million casualties (dead or severely wounded) in the Ukraine war.
  • Putin's disregard for human life and potential lack of concern over casualty numbers.
  • Trump's inability or unwillingness to pressure Putin for peace.
  • The need for Ukrainian battlefield pressure and international economic pressure to achieve peace.

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In this extended Frontline conversation, security writer and Times columnist Edward Lucas explores the ways the Kremlin is testing NATO - and argues why members should already think of themselves as at war with Russia.

The World in 10 is the Times' daily podcast dedicated to global security. Expert analysis of war, diplomatic relations and cyber security from The Times' foreign correspondents and military specialists. 

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