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Saudi talks reveal Russia’s hopes for Ukraine deal

2025/2/18
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Laurie Bristow: 我认为目前各方口风会很紧,不会透露太多信息。但克里姆林宫的目标很明确,那就是与美国直接对话,确立俄罗斯的大国地位。俄罗斯希望双方考虑到彼此的利益,发展双边关系。美俄领导人直接对话本身就揭示了克里姆林宫的真正目标,即无论乌克兰或更广泛地区发生什么,都应由美俄两国领导人决定,其他国家不得干涉。我希望打破自2014年吞并克里米亚和2022年全面入侵以来,俄罗斯及其自身所受到的孤立,并表明没有俄罗斯的参与,任何事情都无法决定或解决。虽然我可能想要停火,但与克里姆林宫达成的停火协议很少能完全停止战火,而是会以其他方式延续战争。克里姆林宫希望美国对乌克兰失去兴趣,并希望能够随意加大或减小对基辅政府的压力,最终目标是根本上损害乌克兰作为一个主权国家。俄罗斯不希望乌克兰加入北约,不希望外国军队驻扎在乌克兰,最终目标是建立一个由克里姆林宫控制的非军事化的乌克兰。俄罗斯希望承认其对克里米亚和尽可能多的其他四个州的吞并,并希望北约恢复到1997年的成员国范围。俄罗斯实际上要求美国完全放弃对欧洲安全的承诺,这与英国、法国、德国、波兰甚至美国本身的安全利益不符。俄罗斯经济面临巨大压力,但我仍然有能力继续资助战争。我希望解除制裁,并担心油价下跌,因为我的经济依赖大宗商品价格。我们需要明白乌克兰的局势直接关系到我们的安全,并确保美国继续参与到跨大西洋安全事务中。我认为不会有持久的和平,即使达成停火协议,也只是冲突的下一个阶段,并不能解决根本冲突,因为根本冲突在于俄罗斯自身以及普京对俄罗斯在世界上的地位的看法。俄罗斯认为自己是一个大国,坚持自己的声音被听到,坚持自己的利益得到满足,这是一个零和博弈,在乌克兰作为一个主权民主国家存在的问题上,与普京没有妥协的余地。我们的选择是努力实现停火,但不能放弃原则。

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This chapter analyzes Russia's objectives in the Saudi Arabia negotiations. It explores Russia's desire to be recognized as a major global player and to break its international isolation. The discussion also touches upon Russia's pursuit of a ceasefire that wouldn't necessarily end the conflict permanently.
  • Russia seeks to establish itself as a major global power alongside the US.
  • Russia aims to end its international isolation.
  • A Russian-defined ceasefire would likely involve continued conflict by other means.

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With the US hailing the talks in Riyadh as 'the first step of a long and difficult journey,' questions arise about whether any resolution would truly end the war in Ukraine. Former UK ambassador to Moscow, Sir Laurie Bristow, delves into Russia’s objectives - from demands over NATO to asserting its global power - and what these negotiations mean for the future of the conflict.

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