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25 Years of Putinism with Sam Greene

2025/1/10
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Sam Greene:普京的统治并非预设最终目标,而是一个学习和演变的过程。他最初被选中是因为其可控性,而非扩张主义意图。上任伊始,他优先强化国家权力,挑战限制国家自主性的力量,如寡头、媒体和地方政府。这导致了他不断面临新的挑战,他的统治是一个持续探索和发现的过程。我不认同他的所有选择,但这确实是一个学习和适应的过程。 关于俄罗斯公众舆论,目前难以准确评估其对战争的反应,这本身就存在争议。普京必须根据俄罗斯公众的实际情况来塑造舆论,而非凭空创造。克里姆林宫尝试各种手段,但并非所有手段都奏效。普京对公众对战争的反应感到意外,公众对乌克兰暴行的漠视超出了他的预期。公众舆论并非个体意见的简单总和,而是受社会互动影响的动态过程,难以预测其变化。 俄罗斯公众长期以来习惯于与国家保持距离,这使得反对派难以动员民众。普京与俄罗斯公众之间存在一种非正式的社会契约:公众不参与政治,政府则保证其生活水平。但所谓的社会契约并非总是成立,经济状况的波动并未导致公众对政府的惩罚性行为。俄罗斯政府与民众之间是一种“苏联式离婚”的关系:双方互不信任,但不得不共处一室。 普京的统治策略经历了从避免意识形态到利用意识形态的转变。面对反对派,他开始利用意识形态议题来巩固权力,并将其演变为与西方的对抗。二战在俄罗斯的政治叙事中占据中心地位,并为普京的侵略行为提供了合法性。普京与俄罗斯相互依存,他的统治依赖于俄罗斯公众的默许和支持。支持普京成为俄罗斯社会成员认同和归属感的重要标志。 普京最有可能继续执政,直到其无法继续执政为止。俄罗斯精英阶层内部存在对普京不满的声音,但缺乏有效的替代方案。普京离任后的俄罗斯政治走向取决于精英阶层对未来制度的设想。俄罗斯政治局势的变化并不一定需要客观条件的极度恶化,主观感受的灾难性也可能触发变革。 俄罗斯目前依赖于与西方的对抗,这支撑着其经济和政治稳定。普京的风险规避倾向使得他不太可能轻易放弃当前的策略。莫斯科不太可能信任特朗普政府的承诺,并会试图在与乌克兰的冲突中保持控制。目前美俄关系缓和的可能性有限,达成和平协议的可能性更小。 Max Bergman: [此处应补充Max Bergman的论述,不少于200字,需使用第一人称视角,并用中文书写] Maria Snegovaya: [此处应补充Maria Snegovaya的论述,不少于200字,需使用第一人称视角,并用中文书写]

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What was the initial perception of Vladimir Putin when he first came to power in 2000?

When Vladimir Putin first came to power in 2000, he was described as a 'man without a face' by Masha Gessen. Many in the West hoped he might be a democratic reformer, but this perception quickly shifted as his policies evolved.

Why did Putin prioritize the primacy of the state early in his presidency?

Putin prioritized the primacy of the state because he inherited a government that was heavily indebted and lacked autonomy. He sought to reassert state control by targeting entities like television, oligarchs, governors, and the political system, which he saw as limiting the state's power.

How has Putin's approach to public opinion evolved over his 25 years in power?

Putin's approach to public opinion has evolved from avoiding ideology to using wedge issues like LGBT rights and religious issues to marginalize opposition and galvanize support. He has also relied on propaganda to create a perception of social consensus, targeting the middle group of Russians who are neither staunch liberals nor hardline nationalists.

How has the Russian public reacted to the war in Ukraine?

The Russian public has largely shown inertia in response to the war in Ukraine. Many are aware of the atrocities and the scale of the conflict but choose to dismiss it. This behavior aligns with a long-standing habit of insulating themselves from the state and its actions.

What role does ideology play in Putin's rule?

Ideology has become increasingly central to Putin's rule, especially after 2012. He shifted from being all things to all people to using wedge issues and framing conflicts as battles against the West. This ideological shift has helped him marginalize opposition and consolidate power.

What is the likelihood of a peaceful transition of power after Putin?

A peaceful transition of power after Putin is unlikely. The most probable scenario is inertia, with Putin continuing until he is no longer able to rule. Any transition would likely involve intense elite competition and instability, especially given the high stakes of the war in Ukraine.

How does the war in Ukraine affect Russia's economy?

The war in Ukraine has become central to Russia's economy, driving economic production and growth. Without the war, the country would likely be in stagnation or recession. The war also justifies repression and maintains the regime's control over the population and elite.

Is there potential for a rapprochement between the US and Russia under a Trump administration?

The potential for rapprochement between the US and Russia under a Trump administration is limited. While Moscow may seek to exploit divisions between the US and Europe, it is unlikely to trust agreements made by Trump. Russia will likely prioritize maintaining flexibility and control over any durable commitments.

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This chapter explores the evolution of Vladimir Putin's leadership, examining whether he ever had democratic intentions and how his priorities shifted over time. It analyzes his early actions toward consolidating state power and his interactions with various factions within Russia.
  • Putin's initial image as a 'man without a face,'
  • his focus on state primacy,
  • gradual consolidation of power,
  • lack of clear initial intentions

Shownotes Transcript

Max and Maria were joined by Dr. Sam Greene to reflect on a quarter century of Putinism in Russia, how Vladimir Putin's rule has changed the country, and where his regime might be headed from here.

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