We're sunsetting PodQuest on 2025-07-28. Thank you for your support!
Export Podcast Subscriptions
cover of episode Rose Gottemoeller on Negotiating with Russia

Rose Gottemoeller on Negotiating with Russia

2025/3/17
logo of podcast Russian Roulette

Russian Roulette

AI Deep Dive AI Chapters Transcript
People
R
Rose Gottemoeller
Topics
Rose Gottemoeller: 我认为,特朗普政府试图促成乌克兰和俄罗斯之间持久和平协议的努力面临重大挑战。主要障碍在于乌克兰总统泽连斯基和俄罗斯总统普京都坚持零和博弈的立场。特朗普的任务是说服双方放弃这种立场,但这将非常困难。此外,目前没有证据表明普京准备做出任何让步。然而,我相信特朗普希望避免零和结果,这对普京来说也很重要,因为他需要解除经济制裁,并与特朗普保持良好的未来关系。尽管普京最初的目标未能实现,但他对乌克兰的目标有所改变,并表现出一定程度的让步。克里姆林宫对乌克兰寻求欧盟成员资格的态度也有所转变。乌克兰可能需要暂时接受不同的领土现实,但这并不意味着永久放弃其领土完整和主权。他们不应放弃其领土完整、主权和北约成员国愿望。北约成员国资格不应被排除在乌克兰未来的可能性之外。在北极科学和气候科学领域与俄罗斯合作符合美国的国家利益。然而,特朗普解除对俄罗斯制裁需要获得美国国会和欧洲的批准。与俄罗斯谈判需要建立信任和可预测性,而当前的美国和俄罗斯关系与新削减战略武器条约谈判时期大相径庭。美国和俄罗斯在战略武器削减谈判方面经验丰富,这将是有利的。在谈判中,必须明确自身的国家安全目标和利益,并坚持这些目标作为优先事项。乌克兰就停火提出的建议是经过深思熟虑的,并得到了美国的支持。乌克兰是精明的谈判者,能够有效地维护自身利益。欧盟和北约目前不需要直接参与乌克兰和俄罗斯之间的谈判,但它们在解除对俄罗斯的制裁方面发挥着重要作用。欧洲对美国可能减少在欧洲的军事存在感到担忧,这种担忧是合理的,需要进行公开对话和协商。一些北约盟国支持增加美国在欧洲的军事部署,这与减少军事存在趋势形成对比。美国必须参与乌克兰和俄罗斯之间的和平进程,避免重蹈明斯克协议的覆辙。必须达成持久停火,否则战争不会结束,特朗普政府将坚持这一点。恢复常规可预测性和信任措施对确保持久停火至关重要。 Max Bergman: (无核心论点,主要为引导访谈) Maria Snegovaya: (无核心论点,主要为引导访谈)

Deep Dive

Chapters
This chapter analyzes the ongoing negotiations between the U.S., Russia, and Ukraine, focusing on the Trump administration's efforts to broker peace. It examines the challenges posed by the opposing stances of Zelensky and Putin, and explores the potential for a lasting peace agreement or a ceasefire.
  • Trump's efforts to broker peace are hampered by Zelensky and Putin's absolutist approaches.
  • Trump's approach has been tougher on Zelensky than on Putin.
  • Putin's maximalist objectives of subjugating Ukraine pose a significant challenge to peace negotiations.

Shownotes Transcript

Max and Maria welcomed Rose Gottemoeller back to the show, to discuss the ongoing negotiations between the U.S., Russia, and Ukraine. As a former American diplomat who has sat across from the Russians to negotiate international treaties, she shared her insights about what she is watching as this process unfolds.

This conversation was recorded on Tuesday, March 11, 2025.