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Google DeepMind CEO Demis Hassabis + Google Co-Founder Sergey Brin: Scaling AI, AGI Timeline, Simulation Theory

2025/5/21
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Demis Hassabis: 我认为要实现通用人工智能（AGI），可能还需要一到两次新的突破。我们DeepMind有很多有希望的想法正在酝酿中，并希望将它们引入到Gemini的主分支中。同时，我认为既要尽可能地扩展现有技术，又要努力研发新的突破性技术。我们需要算法和算力的共同进步，才能实现AGI。我们正在努力提高模型的准确性，构建更好的世界模型，并探索如何让AI系统进行真正的创造性发明。 Sergey Brin: 我认为算法的进步可能比计算的进步更重要。通过在AI中加入思考能力，可以显著提高其能力。AI的思考过程可以通过使用工具或其他AI来改进最终输出。现在是计算机科学领域的一个独特时期，所有计算机科学家都应该从事AI研究。AI在科学上比之前的技术革命更令人兴奋，并且对世界的影响将更加巨大。

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This chapter explores the potential for improvement in frontier models, discussing the roles of scaling and reasoning techniques. Experts debate whether scaling alone is sufficient or if algorithmic advancements are crucial for significant progress toward Artificial General Intelligence (AGI). The discussion includes the impact of reasoning paradigms and test-time compute on model performance.
  • Incredible progress is being made with existing techniques, but breakthroughs are needed for AGI.
  • Scaling and algorithmic advancements are both necessary for progress.
  • Reasoning paradigms significantly improve model performance, as seen in AlphaGo and AlphaZero.
  • Test-time compute allows models to improve their output given more time to think.

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Demis Hassabis is the CEO of Google DeepMind. Sergey Brin is the co-founder of Google. The two leading tech executives join Alex Kantrowitz for a live interview at Google's IO developer conference to discuss the frontiers of AI research. Tune in to hear their perspective on whether scaling is tapped out, how reasoning techniques have performed, what AGI actually means, the potential for an intelligence explosion, and much more. Tune in for a deep look into AI's cutting edge featuring two executives building it.

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