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What The Heck Happened To The Internet? — With Ryan Broderick

2025/1/8
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Alex Kantrowitz
一位专注于技术行业的记者和播客主持人,通过深入采访和分析影响着公众对技术趋势的理解。
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Michael Kovnat
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Ranjan Roy
一位在 Margins 工作的科技新闻评论员和 podcast 主持人。
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Ryan Broderick
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Michael Kovnat: 本期节目讨论了疫情后互联网发生的重大文化转变,特别是社交媒体从关注模式转向算法推荐模式,以及由此带来的网络爆红现象的改变。 Ranjan Roy 和 Alex Kantrowitz 提出了一个理论:互联网已经从关注模式转向了算法推荐模式,这改变了我们消费内容的方式,也导致了一些意想不到的网络爆红现象,例如 Hawk Tuah 和 Costco Guys。 Ryan Broderick: 互联网文化经历了从‘数字单一文化’到高度个性化内容推荐的转变,疫情加速了这一过程。TikTok 等平台的算法推荐机制,使得普通人的日常行为也可能在网上爆红,这与 2010 年代的互联网文化截然不同。疫情期间,互联网不再是亚文化空间,而是成为主流文化的一部分。算法推荐机制催生了‘Z互联网’,即普通大众分享普通内容也能爆红。 Blue Sky 等平台的兴起,是互联网亚文化的一种反应,这些亚文化正在向更私密的平台迁移,例如 Discord 和私信群组。虽然这些亚文化仍然存在,但其可见性远不如以往。 Blue Sky 的成功在于其产品具有良好的可塑性和开放性,以及关注模式和算法推荐模式的结合。然而,其用户增长能否持续存在不确定性。 OnlyFans 等平台的付费模式改变了网络内容的创作方式,导致内容趋向于更低俗和更具煽动性,因为创作者试图吸引用户付费观看更私密的内容。网络爆红现象是社会集体意识的反映,其意义并非在于人们是否关注它,而在于它本身的存在。 Ranjan Roy: 社交媒体平台从关注模式转向算法推荐模式,导致像 BuzzFeed 这样的媒体公司失去了其核心价值。BuzzFeed 出售 First We Feast 反映了传统数字媒体公司在应对互联网新趋势方面的困境。传统媒体公司需要适应互联网新的内容创作和传播方式,才能保持竞争力。许多网络视频创作者开始转向付费模式,以应对平台流量带来的不稳定性。 当前互联网正处于一个重要的转折点,其未来发展方向尚不明确。 Alex Kantrowitz: 社交媒体的吸引力可能正在下降,因为越来越多的有趣内容发生在私密的群聊和 Discord 等平台上。Blue Sky 作为‘For You’互联网的一种反向力量,但未来发展仍存在不确定性。一些支持特朗普的喜剧和主流播客在 2024 年大选后,其受众发生了变化,部分原因是其受众对 United Healthcare 枪击案的反应。 疫情期间互联网使用率的增加并非仅仅是使用时间的增加,而是人们参与方式的转变。

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How has the internet culture shifted since the pandemic according to Ryan Broderick?

The internet culture shifted significantly during the pandemic as everyone who wasn't online before 2020 came online. This led to the internet becoming culture itself, with barriers breaking down and normal people doing normal things online that go viral frequently. This is a stark change from the 2010s, where internet culture was more subcultural and niche.

Why does Ryan Broderick believe platforms like TikTok have changed the way content goes viral?

Platforms like TikTok use hyper-personalized algorithmic feeds that show content specifically tailored to individual users. This contrasts with the earlier 'follow model,' where users saw content based on who they followed. The algorithm now drives virality by identifying and promoting content that appeals to users' basic interests, leading to the rise of 'normie internet virality.'

What role does Blue Sky play in the current internet landscape according to Ryan Broderick?

Blue Sky is seen as a reaction to the algorithmic 'For You' model dominating platforms like TikTok and Twitter. It provides a space for niche subcultures to thrive, using tools like blocking, filtering, and lists to carve out specific communities. Broderick believes Blue Sky could grow significantly, potentially reaching 100 million users, as it revives the 'following model' that many users find less overwhelming.

What is the significance of viral phenomena like the Costco guys and Hawk Tuah in today's internet culture?

Viral phenomena like the Costco guys and Hawk Tuah represent the rise of 'normie internet culture,' where relatable, everyday content resonates with a broad audience. These moments are driven by algorithmic feeds that cater to basic, mainstream interests, contrasting with the more niche, subcultural virality of the past.

How has the internet's monetization changed, particularly with platforms like OnlyFans?

OnlyFans has become a major platform for creators to monetize their content directly, especially for sex workers. Creators like Lily Phillips use viral stunts to drive subscriptions, bypassing traditional media gatekeepers. OnlyFans has reported significant revenue and profit, with some creators earning millions annually, reflecting a shift towards direct monetization in the digital economy.

What challenges do traditional media companies like BuzzFeed face in the current internet landscape?

Traditional media companies like BuzzFeed struggle to adapt to the shift from the 'follow model' to algorithmic feeds. Platforms like Facebook and TikTok now dominate content distribution, making it harder for media companies to maintain relevance. Additionally, the rise of nimble content creators and the decline of viral traffic as a sustainable business model have further complicated their ability to thrive.

What does Ryan Broderick think about the future of online political movements and culture wars?

Broderick believes the culture war is losing its energy as younger internet users seek new ways to channel their anger. The online popularity of the UnitedHealthcare shooter reflects a shift towards class consciousness and dissatisfaction with traditional culture war topics. This could lead to a realignment in online political movements, with unpredictable and potentially violent consequences.

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The internet has shifted from a digital monoculture to hyper-personalized feeds. The pandemic brought many new users online, leading to a rise of "normie" internet virality, exemplified by figures like Hawk Tuah and the Costco Guys. This raises questions about the future of smaller online subcultures.
  • Shift from follow model to algorithmic feeds
  • Rise of "normie" internet virality
  • Pandemic's impact on internet usage
  • Changes in content consumption

Shownotes Transcript

Ryan Broderick writes the Garbage Day newsletter and hosts the Panic World podcast. He joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss how the internet has fundamentally changed since the pandemic, in a special episode with Ranjan Roy and Alex Kantrowitz. Tune in to hear Broderick's insights about the rise of viral normie culture which includes Hawk Tuah and the Costco Guys, why sites like BuzzFeed are struggling to adapt, and how platforms are shifting from follow models to algorithmic feeds. We also cover shifting online political movements, the massive growth of OnlyFans, and why BlueSky might actually succeed where other Twitter alternatives failed. Hit play for a fascinating analysis of how internet culture is evolving and what it means for society.


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