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Hey, what's going on, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And this week, we've got a bunch of stuff, actually. We're back to having real smartphone releases in February, which is good. It's somehow already February and only February. I feel like this is sort of a time warp at the beginning of the year. But here we are.

We also have our super secret but also not so secret viral button to discuss. We want to talk about that a little bit. But first, I did want to ask if you guys saw Mr. Beast's video of curing blindness in a thousand people. Did you guys see that video? I did not. I did not watch it. However, if you go on the YouTube app on Instagram,

any computer, it is the first one that has served to every single person on the planet. He was making this whole big deal about how he's changing up the pace in a video finally. Like we all know what he does with his videos, which is like, I took a thousand this and did this, like right off the beginning. And this one was a little bit more of along the lines of like, there's a real message and a real interesting thing he did. So the title and thumbnail was...

like him curing people's blindness, which is very clickable. You're like, how did he do that? And then in the video, he just goes through and pays for like a very basic, cheap cataract removal surgery for a thousand people. So they get to see for the first time in their life. And it's actually kind of incredible. And then the

The spiraling in the background on the internet is it gets 50 million views in a day, and then everyone goes, wait, why isn't this surgery available for everyone for free? It should be super easy. So that's the discussion on the internet. I saw that commentary that it highlights how terrible the US healthcare system is. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I feel like that's kind of a- I appreciate that a MrBeast video can highlight-

For millions of people, the flaws in the healthcare system. Yeah. You know, maybe that's what it's going to take. Yeah. Okay, let's talk about TikTok. This is a, I guess there's a couple headlines about this, but essentially there was a Forbes investigation into TikTok that revealed, for our video listeners or audio listeners, I'm doing air quotes here, that revealed that there is some human intervention into what does and doesn't go viral on TikTok. I think they called it a button. Yeah.

A button, a heating button. Yeah. Is this a shock to anybody? No. Well, no. No. I wonder if this is an actual button because they keep saying it's a button, but I wonder if it's more just like a code injection. I guess like when you say, is it a button? Do you mean like, is there a room with this just like giant red button on it? Or do you think there's like something in there? I just wonder if in like in the developer portal, they have like a heat button. I think it's like,

more it's

From this, it seems more easily accessible than like developer code because it seems like there are people that Forbes is considering lower on the totem pole of TikTok, including some contractors with ByteDance that were able to quote unquote press this button. Yeah. Okay. Let me just say what the button does for people who are wondering. So obviously if you've used TikTok, you know, it's just the algorithm serving you videos and it just decides what you're going to see next based on your previous behavior. And it's gotten really good at figuring out what people want to see based on how they use TikTok. Yeah.

So Forbes says, in addition to letting the algorithm decide what goes viral, staff at TikTok and ByteDance also secretly handpick specific videos and supercharge their distribution using a practice known internally as heating. So I would distinguish this from like

You know, YouTube trending where I guess it's it's an obvious collection of both handpicked and algorithmically successful videos. And they just put it in this page and call it trending. Yeah, I think on TikTok, a lot of people might just assume it's just whatever the algorithm wants and there is no control over what's blowing up.

But if you work for TikTok, yeah, you're going to have some built in controls, obviously to prevent things you don't want to go viral. Yeah. There's some policy violations or some negatives, just something some Tide Pod challenge you don't want to blow up.

But yeah on the opposite side it's also true Yeah, if you find some things that you want to experiment with and see if they work before the algorithm gets to it Yeah, reddit has a bunch of different ways to sort content and there's there's hot which is like basically trending and then there's also rising Which I think is like content. That's on heating that's on its way. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, so I feel like that when you're when you heat a video, it's you're probably making it rise. I

Just like bread. You're giving it a little extra boost. A little NOS boost that the other videos don't get. Giving it loss control. Like you said, we're not that surprised by it. And the reason it is kind of different than trending page is you have to go to the trending page to look at videos like that. On YouTube. You know what I mean? Where this is just showing up on your For You page. Right. I'm sure there's still some sort of like they're going to push it and heat it and there's still some sort of like

Algorithm of these people are in this demographic and like this type of video and it's just gonna push to them faster than other videos for that demographic but to to like officially have through this Forbes investigation like the proof that there's that button and that it seems that tick-tock is using it a little more Willy-nilly than some other I mean, I don't know the other ones but there have been a few reports in that investigation that people were

heating content that they had from people with close personal relationships too and like maybe there's some favorites being played in some things i still have some other um theories that i want to be investigated about tiktok about i remember earlier i had the theory that uh if you make a new account they'll take one of your first posts and absolutely skyrocket it to the moon just one of your first posts i wonder if this is i honestly wonder if that's tied to this in some way

Well, that seems algorithmic because there's no way somebody can hop around TikTok looking for new accounts and making sure somebody's first five videos always has one blow up. But would you say that you're doing that because of your account that you created and we hit that like 30 million view TikTok within like the first five videos? Yeah, but I also see it on other accounts as well. Okay. So I'll see a video that's super viral and I'm like, I wonder if there's more like that. And I'll go to their profile and it's one of their first like 12 videos. I'm like, I know what's going on here. Yeah.

And YouTube has a different set of ways that I see it experiment with pushing things and Shorts Fee is even newer and different, but that's one of my theories for TikTok. - I wonder if ours specifically was the manual manipulation because you... Were you verified on TikTok before you even posted anything? - No. - 'Cause didn't they like... - I posted a few things before I was verified and before I had any contact at TikTok, which I barely have now, I think.

I don't remember if the thing that blew up was before or after that. Yeah. I'm sure they were aware that you are a large creator. That's possible. And this isn't just for you. I bet this is for a lot of other large creators as well.

starting on TikTok, they want to blow that stuff up. Like they want creators to be like, oh my God, look at the type of numbers I'm getting on this app. I want to be on this app. Yeah. That makes total sense too. Because they do say that like the reason for this button is to push new content to different people and be able to like...

distribute wealth, I guess, you know, views being wealth to other people on the internet and make it a more diverse community of who can, of what type of content you're seeing. I think that's the ironic part of all of this is that like on YouTube, if you can heat a video, that person's making significantly more money on TikTok. If you give people 20 million more views, they're making three more cents. It's like, it's true. Through direct creator fund. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, the creative fund just like sucks because it's just, it's like a static amount. We've talked about that before, but like, like,

I think in the investigation, they talked about how there were some people that could get better brand deals if their content got heated. And so they tried to get TikTok heated, those accounts. That's the stuff. I think when they were talking about contractors, that was one of the things. It's like, well, these are creators who are doing brand content. We want to prove brand content can be better on TikTok platform. Let's blow those views up. And they said that.

heated, like in a day, the total heated videos can account for 1% to 2% of total video views of that day when they're...

Assumption of video views per day on TikTok are like over a billion. Right. So that's a lot of views. They'll make it sound small like, oh, it's only 1%. It's just a small thing to do. Of a billion though? That's the thing. How many views do you get on trending on YouTube and how many views do you get? Obviously views are different on YouTube versus TikTok. No, I'd say being top five in trending on YouTube, how many views do you think that would get a video?

- It used to be more. - It used to, yeah. - It used to be way more. - Yeah. - I think right now, if I'll have a video that I know is gonna do really well, like a new device comes out or something and it actually ends up on trending, you can go into the analytics and see it got 1,200 views from trending or it got 3,000 views from trending. It's not enough to change the trajectory of the video that's already successful enough to get onto trending in the first place. - Yeah, the trending tab isn't really on the homepage

anymore. Yeah, exactly. It's just like some explore page that you can find if you look hard enough. Yeah. Whereas I think they used to have it much more prominently. It used to be like literally right here, like one of the third options on the menu. YouTube used to have a

temporary badges. Do you remember these temporary badges? Like under the video where it said? Under videos and channels. You could have a video that is the number 23 most commented video in Brazil in technology this week. Oh, yeah. I don't. Or you could have a channel that was like the most, the number nine most viewed science and tech channel

in the UK today. Right. And so you'd have just a list of badges under everything because everything at that level when YouTube was much smaller and there was all kinds of things just popping off, there'd be tons of crazy badges. And then some of the biggest creators would just have monster lists of badges on every video. It would just be number one most viewed comedy, number one most viewed comedy of the day, number one most viewed comedy of the week, number one most viewed comedy of the month, number one most viewed comedy English speaking country. It would just keep going and going. Yeah. I just,

I just remember those days. Now it's like not that big of a deal to be on the homepage of YouTube because that just rotates all the time. It's customized. So I wanted to talk about this, one, because it's interesting, but two, because we have kind of our own theory behind manual manipulation and YouTube trending, which we talked about a little bit before. But the main theory being is that we think...

They're manually working on trending because we've never seen two videos in trending from the same channel at the same time. Including ours, but also just like, I've never seen it. And we've had videos that are like,

trending and are still trending and then our next one comes out and it also hits trending and then that one goes away to the to the minute yeah I remember because okay so this would happen a couple years ago really where we had a good little streak of like maybe 10 20 videos in a row that hit trending and I would get a notification every time a video hit trending so a video hit like drop it would do well it would I'll get the notification this video is trending cool

But we have an embargo tomorrow where we're about to drop a new video, probably in the middle of this current video's peak. So I'd keep an eye on how well it would do on trending. And then right before the embargo, I check the old video is still on trending. I drop the new video.

It does really well. The second the new video notification pops up that that hit trending, I would check the old video and it would be off of trending. No matter how high or low it was, it would be off trending. So I was like, oh, there's probably some sort of a fail safe or like a algorithmic loop where if you add something manually to trending, it just takes other things from the same channel off trending so that it's not too favored, something like that.

I never confirmed this, but I think at one point I finally did have, at one point, two videos on trending for like two hours. Same channel, not from one of our other channels? Yeah. One was really high, one was really low, and they were both on trending for a little bit. Oh, well then that may have...

It only happened once. And I don't know if that's because the person maybe forgot to remove the old video or if there is no mechanical thing that forces the video out of trending when you add a new one. I don't really know. It's just a theory. It seems like it should happen, though, because MrBeast puts out videos close enough to each other where both of them could be the two most popular videos on YouTube and they won't be there. Well, his main channel, it would only be...

From a single channel like he could have videos. Yeah On trending at the same. Yeah. Yeah, yeah channel it. He has like three weeks between videos Yeah, he's had some in the past that have been close enough and all of his stuff is just Destroyed like should be on trending essentially every single time. I wonder if like Casey Neistat daily vlogs did that Oh, yeah, because they were another good example. Yeah. Yeah, it was a good time. Anyway, it's a theory and

a game theory the youtube theory the tick tock theory seems to be uh pretty much proved it's confirmed confirmed which i mean i'm pretty sure every social media platform that you're on has some sort of person behind the scenes at some point doing something to increase viewership for some reason

Mostly the reason is money for the social media platform. Also for safety, to just make sure crazy things don't trend. My Twitter trending topics are typically pretty niche. When I go to Twitter, it'll be like, you know, Galaxy Unpacked is trending or like Apple is trending, like classic stuff. But then it'll be like USB-C iPhone will be trending on Twitter. I'm like, I know that's not trending for everybody on Twitter right now, but just me, just mine. I'll have like real niche tech things trending. Yeah.

on mine, which is probably not surprising. I'm looking at trending right now, and the titles of the videos that are trending are very strange. On YouTube? Yeah, Two Cry Face Emojis is one of the titles. Those are shorts. That's interesting. They have a creator that's on the rise. Creator on the rise. And just has five of her shorts right at the top. They do that sometimes. Hmm. Yeah. That makes more sense for shorts. They have a lot of shorts on trending right now. I guess like a short title is kind of weird though, because if you're going through the shorts...

You're basically not even seeing the title, right? Yeah. Because you're just scrolling. When was the last time you opened up YouTube and went to Trending?

I just did. This is the first time in a long time. I was just going to say that. This is the first time I think I've done this like ever. I think that's why it has so little traffic. It used to be way more popular. It used to be essentially right next to the homepage. Like you would have your homepage, trending, and your subscriptions. And it would be a huge deal to show up on all three. You could be on the YouTube homepage and trending and people subscribe to you.

you're gonna get clicks. It's great. It's a great place to be. Now, if you want to go to find trending, over on the left, there's home, short subscriptions, originals, YouTube music, then all of the playlists and stuff that you have signed in in your own subscriptions. Then underneath that, the explore tab has trending underneath it. So trending is sort of a...

Trending is dead. Sidebar. Yeah, I feel like YouTube is just getting more and more algorithmic. And it's just like, don't pick things, just have things serve to you. Yeah. I mean, Shorts is a good example of that, but even videos. But I mean, my recommended has been on fire lately. That's the thing. Their recommended page is like so much better for that at this point. Yeah, so that's pretty much it. I think probably we'll, we've got to talk about this OnePlus 11 that I've been sitting on. I've had this phone for maybe five,

three weeks, which is longer than usual. We'll talk about it after the break. But first, let's get our first trivia question.

Trivia! So actually you've had that phone for so long that I forgot that we had it. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, oh snap, do we even have that phone? You're like, yeah, it's right here. Yeah, it's been a while. Oh snap. Yeah. I remember it coming in. Anyway, so we spoke about TikTok today, whose parent company is ByteDance, a giant Chinese company. So the question, when was ByteDance founded?

What was ByteDance founded? How long has it been around? That does feel mega corp, kind of, in the way it's named. ByteDance. Too easy. ByteDance. We'll think about our answers. We'll get to it at the very end. Oh, wow. I never even thought about that. Yeah. Anyway. ByteDance. Small dances, like short videos of people dancing. Yeah. Is it a byte or a bit? Is it a bit dance? Bit rate. Bit rate.

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All right, welcome back. I have a hot take, and this is sort of spur of the moment, but I think I can back it up, and maybe there's devil's advocates in the room. I think the OnePlus 11 is not only a really good phone, but it's better overall than the Galaxy S23. Better buy. Hear me out. I'll explain. So, wait, hear me out first. Galaxy S23 is $799.

Oneplus 11 is $699. So what's the difference between those two phones? Because we're very familiar with Samsung's offering Oneplus kind of in flux and this is one of their better phones. This phone, the Oneplus that I'm holding now has a better camera array, has a better battery and battery life, has faster charging, has an arguably better or worse design, depends on how you feel. It has the alert slider.

It has a better screen and it has the same Snapdragon 8 Gen 2. They both have 8 gigs of RAM and 128 gigs of storage to start.

But the OnePlus has a 1440p 120Hz OLED with a 1000Hz touch sample rate, which Samsung's base phones have 1080p displays. It also has a bunch of little things. Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 4.0, LPDDRX 5 RAM, UFS 4.0 storage. And it's only missing one thing that the Samsung has, which is wireless charging. And other than that, it's even across the board. $100 less, I think this is the better device.

Isn't that crazy? I'm going to let David go on this first. I mean, the wireless charging is, it's annoying to me that wireless charging is always the thing that you take out when you make a cheap, quote unquote, cheaper phone. I can't agree more. Especially when they put like Wi-Fi 7 and all this like super bleeding edge stuff in it. It's kind of just strange. Like the wireless charging cables can't cost that much, but maybe it was for the design. I think, yeah, I would buy that over the Galaxy S23 for sure. I also just don't really love Samsung's UX technology.

So, and their phones are just exceedingly boring to me now, which is part of their strategy. But yeah, you know, I'll talk about the UX on this phone in a second. We had the review out by the time you're watching this, but Andrew, what do you think? I mean, I think wireless charging, I can't believe they don't have it. OnePlus like started doing wireless charging too. So to take it away again. But only in the pros though. I mean, they still started doing it and I don't know. Well,

Well, I feel I've said it a million times when you are in the wireless charging. Once you're in the ecosystem of it, getting out of it feels like that's true. So if you like plugging my phone and now it feels weird. Right. Because you're already in it. Like if you already use a phone that has wireless charging, it's much harder to upgrade to a phone that doesn't have wireless charging. Yeah, for sure. But if you've never had wireless charging.

which maybe a lot of OnePlus customers or a lot of people currently using other $500 phones don't have maybe that are older. And this is less big of a deal. And that's where they decided to save money. I don't know how much like Wi-Fi 7 costs to implement versus Wi-Fi 6. Like I don't know Wi-Fi 6E is great, but like am I ever going to notice that this phone has Wi-Fi 7? Probably not. So it's like weird that they would flex a little bit on those completely intangible, unnoticeable things, but then skip out on like a very noticeable thing.

relatively cheap feature. Yeah. Like wireless charging. They intentionally said they weren't going to make a pro version this time. Well, I bet you they will. I just wonder what would go in a pro version of this because it has everything except wireless charging, basically. Yeah, they they kind of pitched this phone to me way back when they introduced it to me weeks ago as like we want to keep it simple. We've had these like pro phones and T phones and other phones in the past. We want to simplify it and just make one flagship.

So there is no pro. This is the flagship. It's the one plus 11 So I don't think they're gonna make one that also has wireless charging. I think this is their flagship 699 pretty good for a flagship. Mm-hmm But it's got the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2. It's got the 1440p LTPO. It's got like a really it's it's very quick It's a 5,000 milliamp hour battery with 80 watt charging. Yeah phenomenal battery life anyway So I feel like when I do plug it in once in a while, it's great. I

So yeah, I do miss wireless charging, but it's a really good battery. I'm going to butt in there really quick on that. If we're saying the Pro versions are the only one that had wireless charging, but then they're saying this is their flagship, that's the Pro. That is the top level then, and then it's not an excuse to not have wireless charging anymore. I think it's a bad move. But the Pro was $899. I'm just saying...

It was their top level one. They were okay with wireless charging. So maybe they're going a totally different route now, but like they took away wireless charging in my eyes. This is their flagship. They took it away. This is their flagship, but they're just giving up on Pro. I think there's other companies that did this too. They just gave up on a high-end phone. Like Motorola, if they just didn't do the...

anymore. They would just have their normal high-end phones and not do a $1,000 phone. It kind of feels like that's what OnePlus did. They had like a tier system and they just got rid of the top tier. Do you know who this feels like? Who? OnePlus. Well, yeah. Is that weird to say? Like this feels like

The OnePlus when we all loved OnePlus. And I like that. I also want to point out, it's kind of hilarious that when we gave them the Bust of the Year award in December, they started using that as marketing for this phone. And they tweeted a couple weeks ago, they were like,

this award is what motivated us to make the OnePlus 11. And it's like, no, this was in development for eight months before we gave it this award. Maybe it's a little bit of marketing. So when we put out the smartphone awards, they were the first ones to claim their award. That's gotta be the first time the bust of the year is the first one to claim their award, but they did.

They took their trophy first. Also, a lot of other companies have taken their trophies now, which is cool. But yeah, now they're going around like tweeting pictures of it like this is the one we're going to defy. Yeah. All right. Cool. Great. So this is the response. I mean, I got to say, I mean, the review is going to be out by the time you guys, I think, see this podcast. But it is a really good phone and it does feel like the OnePlus of the past. That's like...

undercutting the Samsungs and iPhones of the world. The cheapest iPhone other than the SE is going to be more expensive than this. The cheapest Samsung flagship is more expensive than this. So in that sense, it feels like a good deal. I did also want to mention my UI quirks that I hate about this phone. They're so subtle, but like this is running that new software that we've seen, you know, Oppo and OnePlus merge together with. Um,

One thing that I can do on every single Android phone I use is I can swipe to dismiss notifications left or right. Simple thing. I just go back and forth. I got five notifications, boom, boom, boom, swipe them all away. This phone, you can only swipe to dismiss to the right. If you swipe to the left, it just pulls up settings and does a half swipe. You can't get rid of notifications to the left. That's one thing.

The second thing is every single other Android phone that I use, you can use two phones to swipe down and expand a notification. So if I have like six new group messages or six new Slack messages, I can like swipe down and decide to open the ones in the autofocus Slack or the ones in the main Slack.

On this one, you can't do that. You have to just tap it and then tap which one you want to get into. You have to tap. You can't just open the app. So basically before, if I had a group of notifications from GroupMe...

and I just tapped it, it would just open group me. With this one, I tap it, it expands them, and then I have to tap again. So it's just these little weird gesture things that just make it slightly harder and more annoying to use in my notifications that make me so annoyed with how... If they just added that one setting where they allow me to actually use notifications the way every other phone works, I would probably daily this phone. I think it's my favorite phone so far of the year. It's pretty early, but it's pretty sweet. Is wireless charging important to you? To me, no, I...

if you give me 80 watt charging I can live without wireless charging like it is a little bit less convenient because I have wireless charging in my car but I can deal with the fact that this battery life is so good that I'm fine with not charging in my car and when I get home I'll plug in for two minutes and I'll have a bunch more battery so I'm fine with that I really like it it's just like that a couple weird software quirks that bug me so much I feel like that's so interesting to me the only place I don't have wireless charging is my car and I mean I plug it in because I'm using Android Auto already but

You that's so weird that you would prefer to not charge in your car and prefer to charge at home. I would rather charge in the place where I'm like locked into a seat for X amount of time. Yeah. Versus going home when I would rather just have my phone like near me.

Yeah, I guess if I'm at home, I'm just kind of around and it doesn't matter as much. But when I'm in the car, that's a classic battery draining activity where my phone is full brightness, streaming music, GPS is on, like a bunch of stuff happening. So if it's sitting in the car and it's not charging, that's when I lose the most battery. So if I have a wireless charger in my car, that helps me like keep at least the battery at the same level so it's not like plummeting.

This one, I just like do all the normal GPS stuff and it takes a small hit out of the battery and it's fine because the battery life is excellent. And then I get home and at some point if I find a charger, I plug in while I'm in the shower or something and it's all the way back to 90% and it's fine. So, you know, there's the, I think I talked about this in a lot of phones with fast charging in the review. I'm like, you can either give me a really long battery life or fast charging or convenient charging experience. And if you can kind of do a little bit of both, then I'm happy.

So, yeah, I like this phone. It's just that little bit of software quirk and feature is what bugs me. But it's got a lot going for it. For some reason, they're also saying that the camera array is supposed to be a black hole.

We can talk about the cameras. Yeah. Let's talk about the cameras. Visually, you want to talk about the design of the camera bump or whatever? Yeah. Yeah, this is... It's a matte black phone. It's supposed to kind of be like a starry night type of thing. It's fine. It's a little slippery, but whatever. It's fine. And then, yeah, you got a big...

cut out that's a circle on the side of the phone. I don't mind it. It's annoying to sometimes have it rock. It's not too bad. It's not the prettiest thing in the world, but it's got pretty good cameras. The main camera, oh, Hasselblad's back too, by the way. Remember?

Remember how they just didn't do it for a couple phones for some reason? And they spent like $150 million on this partnership. It's back. So Hasselblad's back. I don't know what that means exactly optically, but the photos look really good. I have a lot of low-light examples, a lot of video examples. The camera is actually very solid on this phone. There's also a telephoto and an ultra-wide. It's good. It's a good camera. I think the camera bump looks bad. Looks bad. Is it a deal-breaker bad or is it just like mildly? I don't think a...

The look of a phone on the back has ever quite dealed like breaker back. Ever? I'm a case person too, so it doesn't quite matter as much. Oh, so who cares? It could look like anything. I like the way it looks. I don't like the way it looks. Really? It's like kind of doing the like over the edge like the S21, but then it's also doing a big circle like the Mate. It's like combining like it. And then it's also combining them, which then just adds... We have three different layers of bumps now and... It's less seamless than the S21 did for sure. It looks like...

Who's the superhero that has the eyepiece that comes around the side of their eye? The cartoon one? Cyclops? No, he has the whole thing. Yeah, the whole thing. Spy Kids? Yeah, Spy Kids. It's very Spy Kids. Yeah, I think Dragon Ball Z might be one of them. The power levels are 9,000. This one's observing power levels all day. That's funny. Yeah. If you put a case on it, though, I'm sure it'll just... I think the black hole thing is supposed to be because it has this...

little shiny starry thing on the inside. - Yeah, but black holes aren't shiny. - Yeah, well, we have to imagine a black hole in some way. - You can't even see a black hole. - Black holes also don't say Hasselblad across the front of them. - And they're right across the middle of the branding of a black hole. - That's right. - You can prove it. - There's a super massive black hole at the center of our galaxy that says Hasselblad on it. - Yeah, if this was actually a black hole, you just couldn't even see the camera.

That's hard to engineer. It's really hard. They should have used Vantablack. It sucks the light like a black hole into the sensor. Yeah, I know. I get that. It gobbles it up. It gobbles it. One of my favorite things is in their briefing, they described it as seductively curvy and irresistibly shiny or something. And if it's a black hole, technically, it's seductively curvy. A black hole is seductive because you can't escape

The pole. It's irresistible. It's irresistible. Yeah. It sucks.

So audio listeners, Andrew is like destroying his. I'm loving this so much. Black holes are irresistibly curvy. It's a fact. Technically true. It's scientifically true. Technically true. That is actually true. Yeah. No, this phone's fine. It's fine. In hand, it feels really good. I always love that OnePlus does the like the shallower edges. So phones just feel thinner despite being the same size as every single other phone. And they always have fantastic first party cases. Yeah.

I always have thought that's one of the best things OnePlus has ever done. I always thought they should be a case business. Seriously, they make the best first party cases. Yeah. This would be a good phone to put a case on so it would look better. Better? More like a cover that black hole. Unlike the Google ones that are just absolute crap. What happened to those? No, I missed the fabric ones. After the fabric ones. The silicone ones? Yeah.

Actually, I'm using one now. I never use those. So it's just boring. The new gen, like the Pixel 7 silicone is better, but the Pixel 6 silicone cases were like... Which phone looks better to you? The OnePlus 11. I think the Pixel looks better. The Pixel or the OnePlus? The Pixel or the OnePlus. I think the OnePlus looks better. I think the Pixel looks better. I think the Pixel definitely looks better. But I don't think the OnePlus looks terrible. It's just trying too much.

Trying too hard, man. I mean, aren't we all? I would prefer they try too much versus the S23, which tries literally a negative amount.

them out yeah it didn't do any i mean if you thought the s23 was fine before this won't change your mind about it but if you didn't like the s23 you or s22 you definitely don't like the s23 because it's the same thing it looks exactly the same yeah yeah no it's fine uh anyway you should check out the full review that'll be out either soon or is already out by the time you see this but uh not a whole ton to say i'm glad we got to get through it though i'm excited for the q a

I am very curious what people want to ask us. And as far as I can tell, you guys have picked questions for us. We haven't seen them yet. Only Ellis and I know. Okay, so it was pulled on Twitter. And I got tagged in some, but I didn't read any of them. So this will be the first time we look at them. So we'll do that after the break. But first, let's do another trivia question. ♪ music playing ♪

All right, so a little preview for the Q&A to come. George G on Twitter, at gmcfly underscore 81, asked us, can we please have more agricultural slash orchard trivia related content? Wait, I actually, somebody wrote something about the apple tree. They don't come, most of them don't come from a seed. They come from a graft. Yeah, you have to graft it if you want it to grow quicker. Good apple. No, you want it to eat it. To grow good apples, you have to graft it. If you plant an apple,

if you plant an apple seed in the ground you're gonna get a sour apple a little crab apple you're gonna feed that to a horse that's fine but you want an edible apple you gotta graft what is grafting this isn't a tech class wow a branch and yeah connect it into the new seedling did I say it had to be an edible apple or just an apple

I did recently stay at an Airbnb in California. And in the front tree was... The front yard was an orange tree that you could just...

grab one off and eat and it was fine. That's how they work? You are not the first person from the mid-Atlantic to express the surprise at citrus. It's like amazing. You have orchards all over and you can just eat the fruits off of it. If you see a fruit tree in New Jersey, do not eat it.

Do not eat what's on that tree. I had a friend from Philadelphia, and when he came to my parents' house, and we have grapefruit trees and orange trees and stuff, because everyone does in California. Yeah. He was like, what's the regen rate? Yeah. The regen rate. Yeah, I was like, are we going to deplete this tree? You don't understand scale. What's the season, baby? They were good. Okay, well, on this note. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm going to get it wrong, whatever the question is. Yeah.

Mung beans prefer which kind of soil? No shot. A. Silty soil. B. Sandy soil. I don't even know what that is. C. Clay soil. Did you say monk bean? Or D. Point.

Lo-me soil. I don't know what that is either. This is what the people wanted. This isn't even tech shit. It probably is tech adjacent, so there's definitely some way that... I would love a connection to tech. I can't possibly... I think we'll see in the answers or I'll be strongly disappointed. We'll find out. I think you're going to be strongly disappointed. It's just a mung bean question. What even is a mung bean? That's exactly what I'm thinking. I have no idea. Really? This is made up.

I only know mung beans from the TikTok trend. What? What TikTok trend? Where they take the mung beans and play music with it. What? What are you talking about? We need to go to ad break. This is way too long. This is completely sideways. Let's get it back on the rails after the ads. We'll be right back. Support for Whiteform comes from Coda.

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All right, welcome back. Well, kind of welcome back. Welcome back to the future a little bit. Great Scott!

So long story short, we recorded the first half of the podcast that you've already listened to a week early because Adam, as you can tell, was out. But then we had all these AI events and we figured sound the alarm emergency podcast. We got to get back in here anyway and talk about what just happened because there's a lot of this sort of feels like pivotal, like a sort of a turning point for AI. So we're back in the future of the past a little bit.

Anyway, okay, so this event or two, this week we had two events that were public. One was a Microsoft event and then one was a Google event the next day. The Microsoft one, I'd say much more substantial because they are showing things that they're actually shipping and that are new and that are very different from what they've done in the past with Bing. And then we did get a little bit of stuff along the same lines with Google, with BARD. Let's start with Microsoft though. New Bing experience.

chat GPT integration on the side that sort of helps you search with Bing. It's like a co-pilot as they described it. It's a really interesting implementation of AI. We're kind of wondering how they would do this. What are your thoughts? Yeah, so they have two versions of it. There is one that's more of like a traditional search where you do a normal Bing search, not a Google search. And then a

a bunch of context appears on the side and it sort of gives you your answer in a more natural language kind of way as if you were asking chat GPT.

And then there's also just a chat interface, which is basically just ChatGPT. Yeah, just talk. So you can have the traditional, like, give me a bunch of links, but also if I'm just asking a question or asking for a recipe or for some reason one of their implementations was asking for a travel itinerary, it will give you, like, all the things on the side. And then what's kind of cool is that it will source, like, the top three links that it's sort of created.

grabbing from, which is interesting because it's doing inference, but it's also giving you link information, which is good. However, websites might start to have some trouble with SEO. This is the fundamental thing. The idea is we're at a pivotal point with AI because it

It's not just fun, interesting tools that happen to be AI powered. We know what AI is already, but now it's big companies taking these AI models and integrating them with consumer facing products like real products. And one of the first big pivotal versions of this is search. So Google search is very well known. Microsoft's Bing search is also very well known. And this is this opportunity to have AI help you search the Internet.

Which is interesting because, and we will talk probably a lot about this, but when you search the internet, fundamentally what you're doing is,

is crawling the entire internet for whatever phrase you typed in and then getting a list of things. Sometimes it's some ads at the top and then a list, but you get a list of links and then you can dive in from there. - That's why I have 500 tabs open at a time. - I will not excuse that. - I open all of them. - I don't think that's a good excuse. - I opened everything on the first page. - Yes. - So the idea of AI being integrated in search

is instead of just giving you a list of links, it can actually crawl information from those pages and from all of these websites and give you a natural language answer to your question instead of you having to dive into the links. Sounds helpful, but when you're a publisher,

In those links, that suddenly becomes a really existential question, which is like, how will this impact us? How will this work? Does the economy completely change? Does the business model change? Lots of questions are unanswered about this.

And I like mentioning that Google's had this AI stuff for a long time. When you ask Google Assistant, what is the capital of Japan? And it goes, it just says at the top, Tokyo. And then it gives you the list of links, like usual, but it just tells you the answer at the top so you don't have to dive into the links. And the more complex that question gets, the more dicey and potentially complicated that answer will get. So if Google and Bing are going to promise you a nice written response...

There's a lot of questions about that response. How good can it be? Where is it pulling from? Is it accurate? So if I just ask like a math question, like what's five plus seven? It can tell me it's 12 and be pretty confident about it. But if I ask it, what are, this is the example on stage at the Microsoft event. What are the 10 best TVs to buy?

Now suddenly it has to decide how to serve the 10 best TVs. It's probably pulling from other websites who have made lists of the best TVs and it's giving you its top 10 and sourcing you to it. But now I'm never going to that other website, right? Yeah. I also don't know. Was that specifically on stage or Nilay had a really good decoder episode with Satya? That was on stage. The 10 TVs. Okay. Because he brought that up and...

And I appreciate that he asked something like this because as someone who's worked with The Verge so long, this feels like something that will directly affect them. And that 10 TV question, it couldn't hit closer to home for him. And he pretty much asked like,

How is The Verge going to get traffic sources and essentially income from advertisers if you search for the 10 best TVs and ChatGPT just says, here's the 10 best TVs? Satya would respond with, well, they're going to see that, want to learn more, and go through the links of it, but I...

Are we all in agreeance that like I think most people would probably see that and direct to go to Amazon? I'm interested in how this plays out in the future because if ChatGPT was able to like have embed or not ChatGPT but Bing search assistant. Yeah, we'll call it ChatGPT.

Then because the thing is people want to go down the path of least resistance and the whole reason why companies or why publishers make so much money on SEO articles the like best best this articles is because of that was it called when you click on a link affiliate affiliate links, right and so

People are going to want to take the path of least resistance to get to the product, right? And it's going to be weird if they just list the top 10 best TVs, but then you have to separately copy the top one, go to Amazon, and...

I don't know. I think that the publisher, like, SEO model has been kind of broken since the beginning, and I think all of the... I think all the publishers would probably agree with that because they've had to change the way that they write content. They've had to change the way that they, like, game search engines and do search engine optimization is literally the term, which seems like you're kind of trying to, like, game the system already. It's a very gray area. It's gray. I think if they had a new model where...

whatever links ChatGPT showed on the side, the top three or four links that got displayed that it said the context was coming from would get a small, a few cents or something. I feel like that would be a cool model. That's way less than affiliate link click, though. Yeah, true. And I highly... I mean, they didn't say anything. I can't imagine this pulling an affiliate link from a page and putting it in the chat thing. I don't think there's any chance...

And that's also still, which is less, taking away from banner advertisers, anything else on a website, and just traffic in general to try and sell those banner ads. Now, like, your website could be getting a million active users a month. I could see that getting cut in half very easily. Fundamentally, it has to go down. Like, if you are the...

And I say it's a great area because there's like the how to watch the Super Bowl online article where it's like someone's going to Google that and you just want to be as close to the top as possible. And then there's just like straight gaming it. So there is like a whole list of things you can do. But it's like if the whole point of this AI help is to give you an answer instead of you sorting through links, then functionally less people will go to the links. Right. Right. So there will have to be a hit there.

But my other question is, I guess just in like user behavior, and I think this depends on, my theory is this depends mostly on how big of a financial decision you're making. But do people actually just take the answer from the top of search and then just leave?

I think if it's just a fact question, like what's the fastest animal in the ocean? And at the top it says the top speed of a swordfish is 40 miles an hour. Okay, I left. I didn't click any links. But if you ask, give me a recipe for banana bread,

Maybe I just take the recipe it spits out and leave, or maybe I check a couple more, or maybe I'm looking for a little more involvement. There's like three or four interesting recipes to choose from or something. I think there was a question on stage which was like, give me an itinerary to...

to a vacation in Europe and it was like okay you will fly to Spain you will see this museum you will take a bus to this other city you still have to book all those things separately yeah and it's like there's no way I go okay that's what I'll do and then just leave like you still need to walk out your door dig into the links and stuff yeah um

And I always just wondered that, like when people see the top 10 TVs listed out by Bing and ChatGPT, do they just go, okay, I'll take the top one. And then go to Best Buy and buy it. And just pick the one that's in their price range or do they research a little more? I feel like they research. I don't know what regular people do. I agree. I don't, like we. It's like monkey at the keyboard, right? You have to assume they do the least amount of work possible.

Twitter literally had to implement something a few years ago where if you tried to retweet an article without clicking into it, it said, are you sure you want to retweet this? Because they know how many people are reading a headline and that's the gospel after that. So like, why wouldn't you just say, Hey, chat GPT, what are the top 10 best TVs? And like,

It might go a little further, like give me one in around the closest to $300 and one that's got free shipping, like it'll narrow it down. Why would you ever go to a link after that? Like, yeah. I also want to say a really strange, potentially existential problem and recursive problem is that

The the chat bot has to create context based on web pages, right? but if traffic stops going to those web pages and Publishers become less likely to publish Yeah, I mean like no you're right you stop getting traffic you stop publishing content about that thing then the chat bots not gonna work It's a recursive problem. It's like these publishers are not gonna publish free content if they don't get clicks on it. I

Yeah, if the primary source of your traffic and the reason you publish things is because you get search volume and clicks from that, then your incentive goes away and you stop making this stuff. So hopefully you have a different incentive, like you have subscribers or something. I was picturing the YouTube version of this, which is like, we make YouTube videos. Let's say I go to YouTube and I say, what's the best smartphone Samsung makes right now? And it just says Galaxy S23 Ultra at the top and gives you a little summary of

A lot of people won't watch the video, right? They probably wouldn't click into watch our videos. So our incentive...

goes down at least. It's kind of crazy. We have entertainment value. YouTube has entertainment value. I think it's a little tougher. Not to say that there isn't entertainment value in text. There clearly is. I think in a lot of those situations where you're trying to find something fast. The main thing I think of is Wirecutter. Why would Wirecutter ever exist? Wirecutter is basically just like they survive on affiliate links. We are a place that does a ton of testing just to tell you a list.

And now you are never going to go to my website ever again. Like if ChatGPT or Bing, whatever, just says like, well, Wirecutter's favorite lawnmower is this. And you go buy it. That's a great point. Yeah. Wow. This is all sitting on the back of the fact that the internet went a certain way where it was completely free and the ad market had to run the internet because this is...

This is like the whole like Web3 like thing that they like to parrot is that the internet could have gone the direction where previously you bought a newspaper for a dollar, you bought a magazine. And so to access content on any website, you'd have to pay microtransactions, right, to read an article. Like that's the same thing as buying a newspaper. And it's just because everything became free, which I think is fantastic because like more power, more information to everybody is like better.

But because of that, it has to be paid for somehow, and ads are paying for it. So now we're seeing this potentially scary situation where... It's upending the ad model. Yeah, and the ad model is what allows publishers to publish for free. Yeah. If you were still at Android Authority right now seeing this coming out, would you be a little worried? Well...

I guess if I was running the website, probably. Okay, sure. But even like you're at the website, now the person who's running it is worried and now that person has to pay you. And I put a ton of work into like the reviews, the written reviews. And if you just ask ChatGPT, like how good is the OnePlus 8?

MARK MANDEL: Yeah, it has to pull from somewhere. It's going to pull from what we put together. MARK MIRCHANDANI: Yeah, it pulls from Android Authority, Android Central, and XDA Developers, and then it just puts it on the side. MARK MANDEL: So I guess, does it really just come down to entertainment value? Like, the difference between surviving in this new model and not surviving is, is there a reason to view your content other than just the headline list?

It's hard because I think that's a big part of it. Like, I go to The Verge every single day. I read almost every single article that they put out. And a lot of it does have to do with, like, the way it's written and contextualized. Yeah. It would be worse if there was, like, a version of this Bing chat GPT thing where you could just be like, oh, tell me about... I guess you could do this. Like, tell me about the new Asus monitor. And it just, like...

pulls all of the written information. Tell me about the new Asus monitor in the style of a David review. Something you didn't even review. It's like, here, I got you. I do think like loyalty and trustworthiness will still play a role here. So like maybe you're not a video like entertainment value, but if you've been following someone who's reviewing stuff or just doing ranking lists and you've

use those lists before to to like your benefit like

then you would probably stick with that than asking chat GPT things in that sector. But how many sectors are there? How many, like if you maybe trust somebody for a TV recommendations, when you're looking for a recipe, you might be like, Oh, I don't really care so much. I'm going to let this do a recipe instead. It definitely becomes the secondary, which is like most people, most of the time we'll just ask the chat bot the question. And then secondary is some people will go, Oh, let me dig through the links. Cause there's a guy I like who I think made a list that I trust. Uh,

And trustworthiness also comes down to the biggest AI question, in my opinion, which is...

These chatbots don't know if what they're saying is a true statement or not. It's just reference. It's referencing. It's compiling sentences or paragraphs based on what it's read, but it doesn't know if what it pulled from or what it's saying is real or not. Again, fairly inconsequential when it's give me a banana bread recipe. Right. Maybe even not that inconsequential if you just go...

show me the top 10 TVs, right? It'll pull from a bunch and it'll just say, here's the top 10 TVs. Maybe it's missing one of the better TVs. Oh, okay, well, you'll probably still get a decent one. But, oh, there's no, I put this in the waveform slack.

Sometimes it'll just lie. So one of the funny things is in a literal Google copy promoting, so BARD is the newest version of what they're doing, powered by Lambda, which is this conversation chat on top of search, same idea.

And it's like somebody asked, what are some new discoveries from the James Webb Space Telescope? And Google's answer is it spotted a number of galaxies. It did a couple of these things. It sees deep into the universe. And the last bullet point is JWST took the very first pictures of a planet outside of our own solar system. No, it didn't. It just didn't. That's just not true. But it probably pulled that

combination of words from something and decided to spit that out. So I guess you're kind of cringing at the banana butter recipe. You were saying it's not consequential, but like, come on, man, that's a lot of time. Or like, what if you're allergic to something? That's exactly what I was going to say. So you go, give me a recipe for this recipe.

By the way, I'm allergic to this and I'm vegetarian. And it gives you a recipe and you make it and somehow you don't realize that you put in the thing that you're allergic to. That sounds crazy, but it might be like a seasoning or something that does have tree nuts in it or whatever. And it doesn't notice that. And now, I mean, you should do more research, but we can all agree here that people are not going to do that in a lot of scenarios. Here's the thing. Microsoft, throughout this entire event, made so many...

like references, they were just over and over like, do your own research just so you know, like you really should be doing your own research. Like don't take everything for granted. They had like an AI ethics session after the event to like get people to understand like, and they said over and over and over again, we've been working at this very slowly since we started thinking about it in like 2017 about how do we do this without potentially just spreading misinformation like crazy. The kind of interesting thing is that like,

people generally still believe the first thing that they see on the internet. So it's not necessarily that different. It's just the fact that there's now these AI models that are known to hallucinate and create misinformation by accident. And then... Hallucinate is a good word. Yeah. And then people don't really understand. It's another variable, which is like...

in the sense of misinformation, depending on what it is, one more variable could be catastrophic. I mean, like, it's not good. It's not good to have one extra thing that could be starting to spread stuff like that. It's kind of terrifying, honestly. What's cool about it, though,

Oh, an upside. Yeah. ChatGPT, it was a model that was specifically trained and it had an end date that that data was trained on. So it can't tell you about stuff that has been released or written about after a certain date. It says my model was created on this date, so I only have information up to this date.

But what Bing's chat GPT thing is doing is I asked on Twitter how this is working because retraining a model that rapidly would be insanely computationally expensive. And also, I don't even know if you can train a model as new links are propagating throughout the internet. What someone said is they think that the model is able to search the web and then take what it finds and then contextualize it.

Okay. I mean, that's cool. That's impressive. It still does have to rely on being up to date because so much of what people search, I don't want to say Google, but whatever. It's recent. You search online as like recent. Like if someone, if some news came out, someone just died, some event, some earthquake just happened, something happened. If you Google it or look it up and it starts telling you things that are out of date. Right. That's not great. Yeah. So that's. So it can do it. Hopefully able to.

pull new information. A lot of people at the event were testing on the demo units they had, like, what did Microsoft announce on February 7th? And did it do it? It did it, yeah. Just waved. Just waved at them. Me. Interesting. Yeah, so, and then there's also a new Edge browser, right? And I actually think that the AI features in the Edge browser are potentially more useful than the search stuff.

Um, there's a really cool thing where you can ask it to summarize a webpage or a document that you're looking at and you can ask questions about its content. So like one of the examples that they gave was like this 32 page gap ink earnings report or something that is just incredibly long. Yeah. Not trying to read that. And you just, you're using edge and you use this copilot feature and you just say, just say like, can you summarize this document for me? And it says like,

Gap reported net sales of 4.4 billion, up 2% compared to last year, and comparable sales were up 1% year over year. Gap being recorded gross margin of this. So you don't have to read 32 pages of jargon. Kids these days have no idea how hard it was to do a research paper. Yeah. Man. This is the intense irony of this, right? Is that someone went through the effort of making this huge thing just so someone can take the bullet points out of it. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's like, are we just eventually just going to become reductionist and make everything bullet points? Which is not necessarily a bad thing, because that's what we're doing anyway. We're like throwing away the jargon. Yeah, Satya kind of mentioned a little bit of this in that Decoder interview, which is like...

in the process of going through and reading the summary and like putting together something using AI tools, you actually learn a lot about the source material because you're diving in and doing the work of summarizing it. And then you don't do that anymore. So it's potentially not awful. It's not the, it's not like you're completely stopping that process. It's just a very different way of doing it. Like if I, when I was in college,

Wow, I sound old saying that, but you have to actually read the report, the whole thing. One of the ways that I learn things is by doing research and fact-checking. That's how you learn a thing. It's by going through multiple links and making sure that the first thing that you read wasn't the only source of information that you're paying attention to. And being critical about...

How do I know what I just read is true? Right. Do I trust this source on this topic? Yeah. What is their source? Is this a primary source or not? Like all of that information goes into your human decision about to trust it or not. Yeah. And I don't know how much of that decision making gets translated into the AI version of like, here's your bullet points. Yeah. The,

The edge summary thing, though, I think is quite cool. I immediately looking at that, not a summary, but that would be so awesome in like a like a PDF user manual. That's probably like 150 pages. And there's something like very specific you have to find in there. We're just, you know, now when you do it, you're like control F light. You want to see what like three blinking red lights does. So you control F light, but that's in the page 200 times. So now you have to scroll through that. It's like.

Pull it up on the side. It's like, what happens when there's three blinking lights on the front? Right. Finding that. Yeah. Because it understands the context of even if it says like error code, three lights blinking, like it understands what that is. And it can just tell you in regular English. Yeah. Like what to do. Yeah. That'd be super. That'd be super. Do we want to say a couple of the, we've been very critical of it. I think rightfully so. There are some really cool examples they did. I have one specifically I thought was really neat. They did, um,

essentially, and people were doing this with ChatGPT with like workout plans or meal plans. So they asked it to write a one week meal plan. They're vegetarian, allergic to tree nuts, and it wrote the meal plan for every single day. You take that, say, okay, and then you can say, now turn that into a grocery list divided by like categories of food. So it can say, all right, well, you're eating like

this many things in produce so these will all be in the produce aisle for this week these will all be in the dairy aisle these so like if that comes up with a good enough result for you like yeah that is incredible that's so nice i almost feel like every one of these is going to have a a category every category is going to have a subgroup that's like that's not good enough

where it's the people who are already like professionals and things like that, where like, actually, if you're going to make a meal plan around this, you should avoid this common misconception and it's in there and you should get rid of it. It's like when someone asks for the top 10 TVs or smartphones, like most people would just go, oh yeah, okay, that's cool. Yeah, I get to just pick from this list where this subsection of like us, people at the table or like people who review these things are like,

actually, these are all about to be outdated because OLED's right around the corner and you're looking at all the best LCD TVs from the past 10 years. - Context. - And it's like, how do you get these to be good? - Yeah. - And that's just gonna take time, I guess. - Do you think, and I don't know if they said anything about it, but the whole point of this is you ask it a question and then based on the answer, all your following questions are relative, right?

is there any way to edit the, so let's say I asked for the meal plan and I didn't like Wednesday's dinner. Could I imagine going in there and editing Wednesday's dinner, but now still continuing to ask it the rest of the things that are beneficial relatively. So it's like, well now find me the grocery list from that, but I didn't want the original thing you asked me. I feel like it's kind of good at that already. Like if you ask chat GPT for the top five of something and you say number four is wrong, it'll go, oh, can you replace that with a,

a chicken dish or something like that. I think that probably if it's not already there, it probably would be pretty simple. Yeah. I think it's cool. Yeah. That seems really nice. Yeah. Cause transformer models have memory. And that's like the reason they can do it. I guess you would, you wouldn't edit it. You would ask it to edit it. Yeah. You'd be like, I don't like Wednesdays because it has this thing I don't like. And I would go, okay, I've changed Wednesday. And then you go, okay, now give me the list to shop for. Right. Okay.

It's kind of cool. It would be nice if it was continuous, though. Like if on Wednesday you had the dinner and then on Thursday you're like, I didn't really like last night's dinner. Can you give me the same? What it remembers? Yeah. Oh, now we're just approaching like. Just never close the tab. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Don't say those words.

That's like artificial general intelligence stuff. But there's one other feature in the Edge browser as well. Also, you can ask questions about the contents of the document after you summarize it, which is kind of cool. And it tells you in natural language. But there's also a compose function within Edge that will act as a writing assistant to help you send emails or social media posts based on like a few prompts that you give it. I'm sure this is going to hold job. Yeah.

This is going to be added to Outlook very soon, I'm sure. But it's kind of cool that you could go in Gmail in Edge and you could just be like, write Marques an email that says that

I want to give me a reason to miss work tomorrow. Yeah. Give me a great excuse. Yeah. You're the boss. So yeah. Yeah. I love how it's a LinkedIn example because like, I feel like that would be super easy. There's like 10 things about how to grow your business. 10 X and five simple steps. And that's all it needs to shove into a LinkedIn shit posts are now going to be written by AI. Yeah. There's going to be better than that. And then they're going to be summarized by AI. Yeah.

And just summarized over and over again by themselves. Yeah, a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy. Oh, yikes. Which just transcends into chaos. Well, look, it's really interesting to keep an eye on this stuff. Obviously, Microsoft shipping some stuff soon. Google adding to what they're doing soon. So hopefully we can get our hands on this new Bing, which is kind of what we're calling it. I think we can tell that this is pivotal because of how many times you've said,

new Bing with like a smile on your face and like looking forward to it. I think that is an example in itself. It's just how many they should have just rebranded it. They should have. When they rebranded Internet Explorer to Edge, it actually like really, really helped its brand identity. And people are like, yeah, actually Edge is pretty good. But no one would have ever been like,

I'm not going to use Internet Explorer. Is the baggage with Bing as heavy as Internet Explorer? I think so. I think Bing's worse than Internet Explorer. Really? I think Internet Explorer had the worst brand. It had a terrible brand. I think Bing has a pretty terrible brand. You knew Internet Explorer. People don't know Bing.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Somebody asked at the event, why didn't you just rebrand Bing to something new? I think Neil asked. That's what everyone said. Yeah. And they were like, we love the Bing brand. And I was like, who is we? Just clippy overlords like, keep the name. Keep the name. Why didn't they just make this clippy? Come on. Man.

Clippy had a good brand. Yeah, he had a good brand. Well, I guess I'm happy for now that the difference between us being existentially worried about the future of our business and not is the fact that our videos are kind of entertaining, which is cool. Even though at some point, I'm sure they'll just start synthesizing interesting 30-second clips at the top of search instead of having to watch our whole review. But until then...

We're great. We're good at this. Yeah. This is pretty cool, though, because it's like the very beginning of what is about to be a lot. Like, what was kind of funny, there was that Google event in Paris today where they basically just officially announced BARD, which is their chat GPT competitor. And obviously they're going to be integrating that kind of function into search at some point and some level. Whether they do it the same way as Microsoft is doing, I have no idea. Yeah.

But what was funny is in the Verge article that was summarizing the Google event, they were like, oh, yeah, Google showed off Bard, but integrated AI chat is still weeks away. And I was like, well, weeks is not that long. That's not that long. That's a snap of the fingers. Like we're starting this AI war stuff and it's going to start moving really freaking fast. Yeah. There's an Apple employee only event next week. Also AI based. I think it's like next.

Normally, yearly. I think it's different because this year they're going back in person again and also streaming. Great timing. All around the same time. Good timing. I'm sure they're looking into heavy use of this kind of stuff too. The day Apple decides to make a search engine.

We'll check it out. Yeah. We'll check it out. We'll see. I mean, Siri's pretty bad, so maybe it'll be awful. Yeah. But this is the beginning of a lot. I think it might be worth a main channel video. I'm super interested in the topic. Maybe let us know in the comments if you want to see a bigger, more structured video on AI. That might be something we end up doing. But until then, I think that's been it for now. We'll keep an eye on all this stuff as it evolves.

But I think it's now time to go back to the future or forward to the past where we did the trivia answers. Back to the past. Back to the past. Anyway, okay, well, this was fun. We'll definitely be back next week with another episode with lots of fun stuff. We do have to do the trivia answers as promised at the end.

As far as I can tell, they're not even tech questions, so I probably won't even write anything down. But let's try anyway. Mine was a tech question. Oh, yeah, we have one tech question. Okay, we have a tech question and a non-tech question. The other one's multiple choice, so you have a 25% chance of getting it right. And it was user-generated or user-requested. Yeah. Fair. Don't come for my boy George G like this. I say for the multiple choice, we each pick a different answer.

Do we all have literally no idea? I have no clue. Let's get the first one. I didn't even listen to the types of mud. It wasn't mud. Soil! Same thing. First question. When was ByteDance founded?

Gosh. This is a shot in the dark. We can do closest year wins for this. I also will take extra points for the exact day if you get it. What? So one point for the year, two points if you get the day. Like the month and date. F*** that. One point for the year, two points for the month, three points for the day. Okay.

Wait, but the month and day only count if you get the year correct, right? Yes. Yes. All right. All right. Flip them and read them, boys. I said 2006. We were very evenly spread out. 2010. I said 2015. Nice. No one got it. Good spread. The closest was Andrew. The correct date was March 13th, 2012.

That's when ByteDance was founded. Wow. Did ByteDance own Musical.ly? No, they bought them. They bought Musical.ly. Okay. Perfectly named. If you ran ByteDance, of course you would buy Musical.ly, right? Yeah. For the dance.

music but the musically thing was a um it was a acapella what is that called it was like karaoke and but you're singing and dancing along it was dancing it was exactly what the dance like original tiktok was it was like lip-syncing it wasn't it was lip-syncing yeah and it turned in a tiktok but like tiktok's not really lip-syncing and acapella are very sorry very different some of it is still lip-syncing really but musically had a lot of features that uh

Were like specific to lip syncing like it like there was yeah, the whole it was built around that. Yeah, specifically Yeah, yeah anyway on to the real important stuff. Yeah Inspired by the question from George G. Can we please have more agricultural slashed orchard based trivia? I'm sorry I couldn't come through in the orchard half, but hopefully this satisfies the agricultural half of your request mung beans

Made up. Not made up. Real bean. Mung beans prefer which kind of soil? A. Silty soil. B. Sandy soil. C. Clay soil. Or D. Loamy soil. I... Yeah. I'm gonna learn something right now. That's all I can tell you. Maybe. You guys both learned what mung beans were? Not even really.

All right. I was going to write that. Okay. I said A. Me too. I said D.

That is correct. I was going to do that. What we found is you can have, so loamy soil, for those that may not know, is a combination of silt, sand, and clay soils in one. And it's the one most commonly used for agricultural purposes. So we're all right. No. It's one of those all the above answers. I don't know. However, I would have accepted B as an answer because mung beans can tolerate a higher amount of sand in their loam.

What has this podcast become? We started a new year. We started a new year. We entered the top 10 tech podcasts on Apple Podcasts. And we're just going to throw it all away. We're trying to hit some other categories. This is too much pressure. We got to get out of here. All right. So to answer George G., can we please have more agricultural orchard trivia? No. Probably not. Not anymore. That's it. That's all we needed. At least I got points. There will be tech questions next week. I promise.

Okay, well, that was it. Thanks for listening. Thanks for playing along with us. We're going to get back to all the other stuff in the videos and the other stuff you guys like to watch. So hit the like button and we'll see you guys in the next one. Peace. Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We were partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro was created by Dane Silt. Were you like losing service on that? I...

A lot of things happened. That was like, I pushed through. A sprinter that starts tripping as they push the line. It's like, they have to keep it going, otherwise they're going to fall on their face. Speed wobbles when a skateboarder is going down a hill.