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My friends and I thought that the color mahogany was funny. So... Wait, wait, wait. It is funny. Why? It's objectively hilarious. We used to just walk around. We used to just walk around and go, Mahogany, Mahogany.
Yo, what's up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, we do have a lot of stuff. We've got a doozy. We've got, let's see, Android features. A bunch of new stuff got leaked. Apple might stagger the iPhone release, which is kind of interesting based on the other rumors that we'll talk about. Arguably the biggest update to the Apple third-party app store fiasco and lawsuit. But first...
We, the producers of said podcast, have to remove a point from Marques because as the people of the internet have correctly pointed out, the iPhone 6 that we gave a point to Marques to last week in trivia actually came out in 2015, not 2014. So we're taking the point away. What?
I don't like how cheerful this is. I like the music. How happy you guys are to take this point away from me. You say you like the music, but this is the same music that would have played during that Spotify thing we were talking about. Was it? No. But it's very similar. But I'm using that forever now. That felt very Diddy Kong Racing. Yeah. You know, other game shows, if they mess up, you just keep the money. I don't know. When the base messes up, they come after you.
Other game shows don't have hundreds of comments begging to take the point away. So they keep us honest. And that's why you should subscribe so you can make sure we don't get any extra points. Yeah. Yeah. If you'd like to see me continue to be devastated by trivia, make sure you hit that red button. Cash a $90,000 check and it wasn't real, the bank will destroy you. That's fair enough. Sounds like a personal problem.
All right, let's get into it. First thing is Apple might, I don't know where this came from, it's sort of an out of the blue rumor, but Apple might only release the Pro iPhones in 2026. - Yes. - And then stagger the regular iPhones to be released months later. - Yeah. - I don't know-- - The information. - I don't understand this one. I don't understand why they would do that because typically the standard iPhones use the same chip as the previous year's iPhones. - Right. - So they would be even older and more out of date.
Do you find any merit in this? I think maybe they would get rid of that fact and they would start using the good chips again, but just not the pro version and the regular version instead. Because like the pro phone, the big pro phone, the most expensive one in the United States is always the one that sells the most in the United States. It is. So it kind of makes sense. I mean, they're planning on releasing two new iPhone models in the next two years.
So at this point, we're going to have the Air, and we're also going to have a Fold. Can I get, like, can we make an example of how this would play out in 2026? So last year we had, in 2024, the iPhone was the 16, 16 Plus, 16 Pro, 16 Pro Max iPhone.
Then we got the 16E at the beginning of 2025. So now the end of 2025 would still be... This is normal besides the Air that comes out this year. So this is starting next year. 17, 17 Pro, 17 Plus, 17 Air. Yeah, great. So then in 2026, we would get the iPhone 18 Pro and 18 Pro Max.
Those are the premium iPhones and then six months later we would get the iPhone 18 air 18 and no plus no no no So the report says that in fall of 2026 we get the pro the foldable Which is the hot dog style? Okay, right and then you also get the air and then it's six months later that you're gonna get the regular models and the e and
So the regular gets pushed to e-launch, which is usually like Q2-ish of the following year. Yeah. So kind of like the A series in Pixel. Right. So I'm not totally sure how they're doing this chip wise, whether or not they're just going to give all the iPhones the good chip again, except not the pro version. So like one less GPU core, but it does kind of make sense to release all the pro versions at the same time, because those are the most hot selling ones anyway. And if you're
If you have three kind of pro-ish iPhones, like it depends on if you consider the Air a pro phone. The Air is at least the one that a lot of people want to buy. Yeah, it's premium. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. So I think this makes a lot of sense. But it is interesting to think of the regular iPhone getting kind of delegated towards the more budget side of the world, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
Fascinating. I mean, I never had a problem with all the iPhones coming out at the same time, but I also would find it interesting to have...
different release cycles than we usually do. There's also a little more information about the foldable from the information article. They say it would potentially have a 5.7-inch screen while closed and a just under 8-inch screen while open. And Ming-Chi Kuo has previously suggested it would be around 4.5 to 4.8 millimeters thick open and use Face ID instead of Touch ID. As a tech review channel,
music to my ears yeah as a content creator that's just you mean more we don't have three weeks to do four iphone videos or four iphones you still because if the air comes out yeah
Then there still is. There's still three iPhones. There's still three levels. Actually, there's more levels of it. I know, but we'll get six months. No, no, no, no, no. The Fold, the Pro, and the Air come out at the same time, which actually means, because normally we just get Pro models and regular models, so we get three then. And that's basically three reviews. Yeah, yeah, that's three reviews. And then six months later, we get, instead of just the E, we have the regular and the E. It's actually two separate times that's almost twice as much work. I take it back. Apple, Apple.
What have you done? Okay, but considering our waveform iPhone episodes usually do pretty well. I'll take an extra. It's more new hardware to talk about, which is interesting. Can I tell you guys something about that? Go for it. We had our monthly meeting the other day and I put all the stats into AI and said, hey, give me some recommendations as to what we should do. Did it tell you to eat rocks? It literally told me to just talk about iPhones.
It was like, it seems like the iPhone episodes do great. You guys should focus more on iPhones. This is a fact. If you are a tech channel on YouTube and looking to start out, the lowest common denominator, like the easiest way to get the most views, the fastest, is to just talk about Apple all the time. Because people, especially in English-speaking countries, talk about Apple a lot, care about Apple a lot, click on Apple a lot. It's the same as I want to do a car video. What company am I going to talk about?
Yeah, obviously Tesla. I want to make that clear, though, that the reason it gets views is because people are interested in it. I also think an interesting point to that is I think people who dislike Apple will hate watch things where Apple fans don't really give a damn about other stuff and don't hate watch other things. Yeah, I think that's a real dynamic. You're saying there's more people who hate Apple
Actively watch Apple videos to hate rather than the other way around. We were just talking about this was something else the other day I think it was with tests. Yeah, it was with Tesla We actually yeah the similar analytics note where if you are a car channel and you are looking at your analytics and you've noticed Wow Everything that I do with Tesla and the title seems to do like way more numbers. You'll notice that people don't look at
EVs as Tesla alternatives and watch those more. Instead, they hate watch the Tesla video and then leave. Are we sure that that's not just like the vocal minority though? There's actually a majority of people who are interested in the car that watch it but don't comment. I think that's also, I think it's a both. Same with Apple, right? Yeah, I think part of it is like, and why I wanted to say that was
It's so easy to say X person just does this for views, but those views means it's people interested in that video, which means there are just people interested. You can still be interested. Views has such a negative connotation in YouTube, which doesn't always translate as only doing it for money or whatever. But I also think there are... Because it's also easier to do that in both of these senses, Tesla and Apple. Yeah.
It's easier to point at one thing where if you're on the other side, the Tesla side or the Apple side, you're not going to go to every Google, Samsung, Huawei, OnePlus, like all of them. Or you're on Tesla, not going to be going to every Chevy, Toyota, Ford.
video and be mean. Yeah. It's also a reason why I think people like me use the most well-followed companies products as like reference points for other things. So sometimes people talk about like, wow, you always seem to talk about Apple or you always seem to reference an Apple product when a lot of times that's just the thing that most people watching are already familiar with and it's giving context for other things. So if I can tell you that a
a phone looks a certain, maybe a photo from the camera looks a certain way compared to the iPhone. When you've already seen a lot of iPhone photos, it helps you understand that. Or if I talk about specs, similar stuff. So it's just that big pillar in the middle of the stuff happening in this world. Anyway, speaking of talking about only Apple, is that what you're going to do? That was literally my transition. I was like waiting to do it for about five minutes. Well, same. I was like, I have to let people talk and then I can do it.
Well, speaking of how we only talk about Apple. Speaking of how we only talk about Apple, we're going to talk about Google. We'll talk about Apple again later, but. I think that worked better in your heads. No. I think so too. I thought it was funny. We'll talk plenty about Apple later. Ellis and I both thought it was funny. Google. Yeah.
accidentally leaked Material 3 Expressive, which is definitely a name for a UI. Material 3 Expressive. If you remember, we had Material U last time around, which was with the Pixel 6. It started with Material Design. Exactly. Which was a long time ago. Material Design was this way of basically adding sort of layered interaction systems to design elements of
as in you're stacking like paper sheets. So if you see the hamburger menu that is in a lot of Google apps where things will layer over each other, that was material design. They updated it over time. Material U was material design, but it was weirder in a lot of ways. Matching colors, different ways to make your UI more expressive, which is ironic because now this new version of material design is called Material 3 Expressive.
Google did a bunch of tests where they conducted many different research studies. They say 46. And they dialed in a new system that they say is both beautiful and highly usable. It's actually very funny because there's a bunch of info on all of the research that they did. And they have all these graphs. And one of the graphs that was like, people that think that things stand apart and are cool...
The graphs are pretty much like, hey, here's how this vibes with people. And it's like the number one way to kill a vibe is to put it in percentage points inside of a graph. It's just like, it's coolness attributes. 98% say it stands apart. 87% say it's defiant. Like, this is... 98% is original. It is really... 100% reason to remember the name. Yeah.
I would want to like be a fly on the wall and have Tim read through this and see what he thinks because it's really hard to quantify design. Right. If that makes sense. Totally. So yeah, you want it to be energetic, but what does that mean? From what I understand, Material 3 Expressive is like an evolution of Material U where Material U was weird shapes. This is both weird shapes and weird fonts. Okay.
But another part of it that I find actually quite interesting is if you look at the design schemas, you have an app like say Gmail. So there's this screenshot of Gmail here and they basically separate the app into multiple different little windows. So everything is kind of like localized into its own space. They round off all the edges. They get rid of sort of that super flat design where you can't tell like where the where it ends and where it begins.
And I think that it looks pretty cool. Um, whether or not you think it's cool is up to you. I think this looks really good. I, I agree. The separation of things makes it easier to find everything. I don't know why the send button needs to be 50% larger than all the other buttons. I just take up space. Yeah. But besides that, I do, I do think this way of, uh,
separating things in these like floating menus makes the navigation way easier. Yeah. And they also like the fonts are way different. There's different layered stuff. You guys should check out this article and then look at some of these visuals if you get a chance. They are very colorful, very, there's a lot of frills and shapes and floating things and UI is generally shuffled quite a bit. Yeah. There's lots of interesting aspect ratios and that, it's just very different. Yeah.
I my only want is that it's still intuitive. Like if they're going to move things around, at least keep them places that it makes sense for them to be. I actually don't mind in this like Gmail screenshot that the send button is big because that's the biggest thing you're going to use. Most often the keyboard is the same size. Like my attachment buttons are a little bit more easy to find and
reachability is another concern like put things near the bottom of our ever increasingly larger phone screens yeah so it makes sense it's just yeah very I don't know how what do you mean by what does this graph say a 30% jump in rebelliousness laughing
What does that mean? How do you make a UI rebellious? There's a button that says I'm gonna sue Google Photoshop there's like a rebelliousness slider and you just slide it up and make it more send button turns into a hammer Yeah, I do like the way it looks better though in this Gmail concept because it does like to your point mark has about it remaining intuitive and
I feel like that is intuitive because like the to and from portions of it
You know you're sending an email. You know, like, that's somewhere else. You don't need to constantly see that as you're typing out the email. So I like that they, like, push that away. You have the send button. You have the attach button. All of that. What it really feels like is that they're just making everything as random as physically possible. Which I will take, you know. That sounds pretty rebellious. Maybe that is what rebellious means. 30% more rebellious. But I'm interested how you create a design scheme that is inherently, like, random. Because obviously there's going to be a system in place. Yeah.
But yeah, I don't know. Something else that I find very funny on one of the graphs that they shared is that they took a bunch of data from different age groups and just as people get older, they hate expressive things more and more. It's like ages 18 to 24%, 87% of that demographic prefers expressive. 25 to 34, 81. 35 to 44, 65. 45 to 54, 62. 55 to 64, 52. You just said a lot of numbers. I just said a lot of numbers. You can just...
Basically think of it as, as you get older, you get more boring and more angry. What's the word? What's the word? Can confirm. Yeah. My back hurts. Is this them just trying to like tailor the experience to get back the youths?
That's something for sure. It's fun to make fun of the vibe graphs at the bottom, but this does look good. I can't wait to see it for real because all these leaks are just light purple, and I want to see a couple other colors. But overall, 15% of my dye is Cholula. If I made everything Cholula colored, my life would be a better place. I really wonder if they're going to call it Material 3 Expressive.
I bet they will. They should just call it Material U 2. Material 3. It's basically that, isn't it? Because Material 3 is Material U. It is. So now it's like Material U. They should just call it Material Us. Dot I. Oh. Material Us. Material I. I should have dubbed that. Material I.
material u s material i am us us oh like big u little s like the s that they used on the iphones yeah yeah you know what else i'm writing how colorful everything is and how expressive and vibey it all is is further and further from the minimal phones we keep seeing like the minimal phone is just
white text, black background box. That's true. And this phone is like every button will be a little different. Yeah. Yeah. For some reason, all these remind me of like Spotify wrapped. Oh yeah. Like they're just like scrolling through the like little slideshow they give you. It's like, what if your whole phone was Spotify wrapped? Let's go. It's a little chaotic. That's what the kids want. I see it. That has some W Riz. Okay. Um,
So there's a very good 9 to 5 Google article that we'll link in the show notes about that. So you should go check that out. If you want to see it, yeah. One last story that's definitely about Apple. Google's desktop mode is finally coming. And it's just like DeX.
And I was going to let Adam talk about it, but I feel like that's exactly what he wanted to say. Michelle Roman from Android Authority posted this first look at Google's own desktop mode, which adds a taskbar at the bottom for pinned in recent apps and also allows you to launch apps that you can resize and snap just like you can do in Windows and Mac OS, which is quite cool. It is probably not going to launch with this new version of Android, but probably the one down the line because it's still in very early stages.
But you will be able to drag and drop content from one app to another as long as the apps support it, which I find very cool. Yeah. I was going to say, can I be the village idiot here for a second? Let's go.
Haven't we talked about this like eight times already? Oh yeah, baby. And is it still the same thing that's almost here? Well, yes, first of all. Second of all, last time that we spoke about this, it was just them discovering it at all. Like, oh, this exists. That's crazy. And like my phone right now, I have the Pixel 9 Pro. You could plug it into a screen and get like a very basic kind of desktop thing. This is them now...
updating that and making it way more usable. There's a video there on their YouTube channel on the site. It looks like Chrome OS, which is, I'm sure...
how it's supposed to look. Yeah. I mean, I would prefer if they just use this instead of Chrome OS, you know? Yeah, just drag. Because it's everything that's on your phone already, too. So your messages and all that stuff. But it's like you can drag Android apps next to each other. You can have Chrome next to whatever random app you were going to copy and paste into, whatever. Like, it's functional because it's got the stuff that's already on your phone. But also, then it's a Chrome OS computer when you plug it into this shell screen, whatever. It's cool. How close are we to getting back to Project Linda?
Razer laptop where you stick your phone inside of it and it's just a screen and a keyboard to run off your phone. I think the idea of this is kind of that you can plug it into like any Windows computer and it'll turn into this. Like you can boot it into this. It would be sweet if my laptop was just a place to slide my phone into and then have a work space. That's been the dream for a
At least a decade. Everyone thought it was cool, but it was just a Razer CES product that never would see the light of day. And the problem was that it would only work with the phone that was exactly that shape. But why not just use a laptop?
Because the shell would cost like a couple hundred bucks. Yeah, the shell would be cheaper and it would – I've done actually a similar progression around my own house, which is I had a computer upstairs and I had a computer in the basement. And I've slowly started getting rid of computers and I just take my laptop and I plug it into the monitor instead.
Obviously you can just have another computer, but if you just want to keep all of your stuff on one computer and then move it around and it sort of adapts to the form factor of the space you're in, that idea is appealing to people. And if you can do it all from a phone, then you only have your phone in your pocket and that can expand to be laptop size, desktop size, TV size, whatever.
That's like a nice idea. Never forget your files again. Yeah. You always know what computer it's on. Except you can't do any video editing or, you know. I don't know, bro. There's some light stuff, I guess. It's interesting because I feel like Apple's kind of doing the exact opposite thing, right? With the iPhone mirroring where it's like, oh, you want to use your phone and your computer, just open it as a little window.
Yeah. You know? Which is quite cool. Yeah, it is super cool. If you're able to do this wirelessly, that would be amazing. No way. There's no way. There is a way. There's no way. I mean, they already do that with the iPhone mirroring. They already have that wirelessly. No, that, yeah, yeah, totally. So, I mean, if you could just say, I'm mirroring the phone, but also it's changing the UI up a little bit. There's no way. Yeah.
I'll see it when I see live transcription over video. I think I'm about to be proven big time wrong about that. Let's maybe hold on. We gotta pull that clip up. Also, I can't ignore the slight...
Well, we've always talked about this. The fact that Apple makes a device in each of these categories and wants to sell you multiple things versus Google doesn't make as many of those things. They don't make a desktop computer. I mean, they make a lot of software, but they don't want to also sell you a laptop. Yeah. Google sells Chrome, right? At least for now. For now.
So their big idea was that Chrome is your internet computer and like as long as you're logged into your Chrome account, you've got your computer anywhere. That was their whole big idea with Chrome OS and why they were trying to put like a Chrome OS thing in every room of your house.
Now if they have to sell Chrome, that is messed up a lot. But yeah, that is kind of the opposite of Apple where they're just like, we need to sell you more hardware. Google doesn't have a lot of hardware to sell you. And the hardware that they do sell with Chrome OS is just to get you on Google services. So it's quite different. What I wanted to say doesn't connect as well, but you mentioned, this is my fault.
You mentioned how they're trying to sell you all these different things. Well, later in the episode, we're going to talk about why iPadOS might be getting a little closer to one of those. True. Whoa, what a tease. Way later in the episode. Welcome back to another episode. What was so funny? You just cut off really early. Or like a little early. It's so hot in here. Ha ha ha ha.
All right. Material this, material that, whatever. Today's question is, Aero, Metro, and Fluent are three iterations of which tech company's design language? Yes. What is it? Aero.
Metro and fluent. You know. I know. You know. Andrew knows. You remember. We got it. Pepperidge Farm remembers. Andrew doesn't remember. Those who know. I'm already thinking about the points I'm going to get at the end of the episode. And I'm already thinking about the points we're going to take away from you in the next episode. The answers, of course, will be at the end, like usual. We'll be thinking about it. We'll be right back.
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Welcome back to the podcast that only talks about Apple and the Nintendo Switch 2.
In 2020, I had to get it in there at some point. It's good transcript, yeah. You guys might remember that in 2021, Epic, the company that makes Fortnite, sued Apple with this absolutely epic...
that they dropped as soon as Fortnite got kicked off the App Store. Basically what happened is that Epic had a system in Fortnite that would allow you to go buy the Fortnite bucks somewhere else for cheaper. They knew it was against the rules. Fortnite bucks. V-Bucks. V-Bucks. V-Bucks.
They knew it was against the rules. Apple kicked them off the App Store. They immediately dropped a lawsuit and this 1980 Fortnite video. Banger video. Do you remember this? It was so good. Yeah. It was a whole PR stunt. It was a whole PR stunt. They had it ready. They were doing this on purpose. Apple walked right into it. They did. They did walk right into it. So Epic sued them, and it was a pretty long lawsuit that took a while to resolve, but it did resolve.
And Apple actually won most of the case, which was quite ironic because Epic also sued Google and Google lost the case. And it was for almost the same thing. So it was kind of dumb. But part of the case that they did not win was that the judge decided that there needed to be anti-steering laws in place, which is to say Apple is not allowed to not let developers tell people you can go get this cheaper somewhere else.
This whole problem stems from the fact that Apple takes a 30% tax on all digital purchases through the App Store.
And all microtransactions inside of apps. Right, which is a digital purchase. In the app store as well. Yeah. So anytime you buy an app, anything, and then anytime you buy anything in the app. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And so. Previously, Kindle books too. You could not buy Kindle books. Because it was a digital asset, which is ironic because if you bought a real book on Amazon, it would not be subjected to that tax. Wow. But if you bought a Kindle book, it would be subjected to that tax.
So there were circumstances where physical books were cheaper than e-books because of this. Especially at your local independent bookstore. Yes. Yes. Okay. So the part that Epic won was that the judge said that they couldn't stop developers from telling people, oh, you can go get this cheaper somewhere else or go to this link so that you can go onto the web.
If you remember correctly, Apple implemented this fairly quickly, but they did it in the most malicious compliance way possible.
They created this extremely complex thing for developers where they were like, okay, well, technically you can allow people to go off of the App Store and to the web. But they added all of these pop-ups that were like, are you sure you want to go to the web? We can't control what happens there. Commit crimes. Do it. Yes. So, yeah, it was very scary. And Apple basically had a very bad faith interpretation of that ruling there.
So what happened next was that Apple – the case kept going, and Apple basically got caught doing a bunch of malicious compliancy things that the judge decided was, like, not fitting into the law that she had, like, told them to do, right? Yeah.
So there was this injunction that came down a few days ago, and it was basically saying like, oh, you didn't listen to anything I said. You just created all these bad faith interpretations of my ruling, and now I'm going to screw you over because you screwed me over. You didn't learn your lesson from this. Now I need to teach you a lesson. Yeah. Yeah. So there were all of these. Yeah, pretty much.
A lot of internal messages that Apple had sent to one another within the company got released. And a lot of stuff that was in that was them repeatedly choosing the most user hostile options possible to try to steer people away from doing anything off of the App Store. Yeah.
For example, Apple had to allow buttons, links, or other calls to action, which they interpreted as one or the other instead of all of them. So the ruling said buttons, links...
or other calls to action. And Apple was like, oh, so we can do a button, a link, or another call to action instead of all of them. So they created all these mock-ups. That is the most lawyer thing. Yeah. They created all these mock-ups that showed different options where it was like, okay, we could do this, we could do this, or we could make it really, really hard for the user to be able to use this thing.
And there's these messages from people within Apple where they're saying like, oh, make it scarier. Make it harder for the user. They literally said scarier. And they were sending mock-ups to each other and just making them more and more convoluted. And there's messages from people within Apple being like, oh, keep going. Make it even worse. It was literally...
Ooh, keep going. This also, like, I think to our audience, getting a little warning that says, are you sure you want to go there? We can't control it. Like, we've all been there. We've all done that. We click it immediately. Wait, you've been on the internet? Yeah. Like, our parents...
If my mom saw that, she would probably call me and be like, I think I have a virus on my phone. Yeah. Without even clicking the button. Sorry, mom. I know you're listening to this. No, 100%. Yeah. That's terrifying for 90% of phone users. Yeah. Those dialog boxes are designed to stop you from doing it. It's kind of the same thing as when you first, well, maybe this is just something I do a lot, but when you first get an Android phone and you have never sideloaded anything, you have to go into Chrome settings and be like, allow me to install things. Yes.
From not the Play Store so that every time I go to install something, like I sideload it, it doesn't pop up the dialog box and go, okay, just so you know, this is not from the App Store. Are you sure you want to do this? And I go, yes. So, yeah. Yeah, it's designed to stop you. You know how Apple already makes it hard for you to, like, open a YouTube video because, like, open in Safari and it's that little dialog box? Mm-hmm.
They like showed that as an option for going out of the app store. They're like, no, we need to make it way worse. So they made a full page thing that said, are you sure you want to continue with like a bunch of scary texts that didn't make any sense that just kind of freaked people out.
They also on that on that window listed the developer name instead of the app name. So it's like Apple cannot control this anymore It's actually in the hands of developer name which most people do not know who the developer of the app that they're using is or worse It's like an indie developer who just goes by their real name, right? And then you're like, who's this guy? Yeah, yeah Yeah, the develop like John Appleseed is going to be in control of your data now. It's all this stuff and
There are even messages from a user experience manager at Apple who said that the phrasing sounds scary, so execs will love it. Wow. Yeah. And then the judge is reading all this like, y'all didn't learn anything. Yeah. Apple actually argued that scary did not mean something that would scare people, but that it was an industry term that meant raising awareness or caution. Duh. That's...
Apple's got those good lawyers. Yeah Wow, yeah Yeah, because what what did David would you like to share what the judge said? The the quote at the end of the injunction. Yeah, like the Tim Cook chose poorly. Yeah. Yeah, I don't It was something along the lines of like you know, we gave Apple a
the choice of how to handle this. And he goes, and Cook chose poorly. Yeah. There were a bunch of bangers in that injunction. Okay. So also, the judge had originally said that Apple could charge a fee for apps that were linked outside the App Store, but it needed to provide evidence that the company had a good reason to charge those numbers because she found that 30% wasn't actually based on anything. Right? It's kind of just...
that random industry number that both Apple and Google decided on, and that became the number. So they had a bunch of conversations internally about what they should charge. Phil Schiller actually recommended that they didn't take any commission, which is quite surprising.
But a lot of people were arguing and Tim Cook eventually was like, no, we're going to do 27%. 27%. Yeah. Okay. So they still take a cut if you get linked to an app outside the app store or a product outside the app store and then you have to back pay Apple that money. Wow. Yeah. So in the new ruling, the judge was still very annoyed and said that they just came up with the 27% number out of nowhere, which was true. Yep.
They also restricted developers from doing things like keeping users logged in. So every single time they would use a link, they couldn't use dynamic links. They just had to use regular web links. So if you wanted to like go to the Epic store or whatever, you'd have to log into your Epic account every time you wanted to buy V-Bucks. Or like, yeah, every time you want to buy V-Bucks, which as someone who's spent way too much money on skins and other games, it's pretty often. Yeah. So like every time you want...
Like that's a lot. And to sign in every single time, probably in a really long password that you've changed a million times because your friends are trying to hack you for your sweet Fortnite skins. Yeah. Got to stay protected out there. Yeah. Okay. So what happens now?
Apple now has to give developers zero restrictions when using buttons and links in their app to let users make purchases over the web because previously when they would put that link in the app or button as they defined it as even though it was like a Regular little web link they couldn't put it in the standard area where you buy things in the app They had to put it somewhere else which is insane like that's an insane rule They can't do that anymore
They cannot take any commission for purchases made over the web, which is hilarious because the judge said, you can, you just have to give me a justified number. You have to justify that number and come up with reasons why that number makes sense. And because they just pulled it out of a hat, now she's saying you can't take any commission anymore. They had a great reason. Made them a shit ton of money. The value generated was incredible. Yeah.
This means that tons of apps are going to start including links to sign up for their subscriptions or have microtransactions through their website so that Apple can't take that amount. Because now, if you're an app developer, you can have in the app, you know, buy this thing, but then Apple takes 30%. But now you can also have
go to our store, it opens it in Safari or whatever your default web browser is, and you can pay through there. And Apple can't take any of that money now. Yeah. And they're going to tell you, hey, it's going to be cheaper if you go this way. It's going to incentivize people. If they say this is 25% cheaper, the developer makes 5% more than they normally would, and they don't have to pay Apple, people are generally going to go with that option. Yeah. Which is kind of nuts. Like, this is a very big thing to change for the App Store. Yeah.
It was also found that Apple's executive VP of finance lied under oath about what that percentage was because he had said that they came up with the number over a bunch of different like they came up with all this reasoning and it was at the last minute and they actually had just come up with it earlier and we're like, no, we're just going to take 27%. So she referred the California court to prosecute him potentially, which is kind of insane. Yeah.
- Yeah, so there was a lot of drama that was going down here. - Okay, wait, I have a question. - Yeah. - So you're saying that they now have links that developers can put it in their apps that will like open up on Safari, right? - Yeah. - To do a thing. - Yeah. - So in the app, can't they also incentivize developers to put like a pay with Apple Pay option?
Yeah. So would that still have the 30%? Yeah. As long as the payment... Because it's not leaving the app. If the payment is made within the app, Apple takes 30%. Sheesh. Yeah. But if you go to a website, then it's different. I'm assuming these apps are also going to go really hard into the...
please go buy over here. You will spend way less money. 100%. We've already seen a bunch of developers do this. Spotify has already done this. Patreon is doing that this week. Fortnite, like Epic is doing it this week. They're putting Fortnite back in the app store. Yeah, they're putting it back on the app store. In the next week. They're putting it back. That's the news. Why didn't we do that? Well, no, that's what all this boils down to.
They won. Yeah. Because the whole reason they got kicked off the app store was because they did this. And now because they legally have to allow this, they're not violating anything anymore. So they have to allow them back on the app store, which is crazy. So the future of this is very, is going to be very interesting because if Apple can no longer take 30% on every purchase anymore, because it is to the user's benefit to be able to go onto the web and buy something for cheaper, then,
Apple services revenue off of the App Store is going to drop significantly and that's like a huge portion of their revenue. Yeah. So. Yeah. That's one of the I mean it hits them where it hurts. That's that's a big a big deal for Apple. Mm hmm. Very interesting. Does this make the App Store less appealing to new developers?
Why? I feel like it makes it more appealing. Because you can use it as a platform for visibility, but then also send people out to get from your website. Yeah.
Yeah, that's a win. It makes Apple have to actually make it worth buying things within the app right there. Are there actual things they're doing for these developers to make it easier to pay inside the app versus going to website? Because there are people who will pay a little bit of a premium to make a one tap payment or something like that. But if you're charging these crazy fees, I'm always going to take the extra five minutes to save 30% on my Galaxy Fortnite skin. Yeah.
Yeah, a comment that I saw online was that these indie developers and smaller developers, you could say whether or not Epic is indie or not, but they're effectively subsidizing like a bank app, for example. Chase Bank...
pays $100 a year for that developer fee, and that is all they pay to Apple to host the Chase app. And Chase gets so much more value from hosting the Chase app than a small indie developer does who every time they have any sort of subscription or any microtransaction, Apple takes 30% of that. That is insane.
And so now it's sort of like evening the playing field so that everyone sort of has the same opportunity. Because Chase is the same way. Like any bank is the same way. You sign up for the bank on a web browser or whatever. You go to a bank. You do that. You sign in through the app and it's just a portal. And that's what's going to be the case for pretty much all apps now. So yeah. Yeah.
Big, big change. Apple is, of course, going to appeal this, but the judge did say there will not be another bite at the apple as her last sentence in the injunction. Is this judge a rapper? Yeah. This sounds like a Netflix drama, kind of with some of the lines they're dropping. She was really mad. She was really mad. One thing I find really interesting about all of this is like,
Man, Fortnite's really been around for a while. Yeah. The fact that this is still like a big thing where they're bringing it back and this started in 2021 when Fortnite was already huge. I mean, they have Sabrina Carpenter now. I was talking about this the other night with my friend because I hopped on Fortnite for like the first time. Actually, no, the second time ever. And he was telling me about all the new updates that they did and all the new collabs. Yeah.
And I was like, is this the best game ever? Like, it is insane how big this game is and how every season people are so hyped to play this game still. Dota 2 might like a word. I don't know about that. Am I no one to you, Adam? Besides you. I think you could argue right off the bat and current games that are very popular have been for a long time is like Minecraft's pretty up there also. More than Fortnite? Yeah. It's been around longer. Huh.
Not yet. Oh, that's true. But they have had concerts in Fortnite. Is that considered a movie? It's close. I'm just thinking about like, you know, the pantheon of like media. Is this a movie? Minecraft's probably 1A and Fortnite 1B, I think at this point. I mean, I don't know. Fortnite probably makes way more money than Minecraft. I'm totally guessing on that because of how many crazy microtransactions there are in that game with skins and stuff like that. But like,
Man, you just keep thinking Fortnite's gonna die and it's still chugging. I mean, it is crazy. Like a lot of developers will release a game and then they maybe do like one or two seasons and they're like, we're gonna stop supporting this now. Or here's the new version. Or here's the new version. Whereas Epic is just like, yep, new things coming out every few weeks forever.
But it's easy for them because they can just do all these collaborations, right? Now they have Star Wars coming out. I mean, they're killing it. Game out. That's why I jumped on. Oh, you did? I got the Luke Skywalker skin, baby. The fact that they can grab someone who's played the game one time to just jump on. And I bet that was like a $30 skin.
$22.99. Bro, you literally played one time, jumped on, spent $22. I think I spent like $8.99 real life money on the V-Bucks or whatever. I don't know. They got me more or less is what I'm saying. Yeah. So there's been a lot of tech antitrust stuff going on recently. There's a big story about how Google might have to sell Chrome. Nobody knows who's going to buy that if that happens. The ad tech business for Google might get broken up and have to be sold off.
There's a lot of crazy stuff. Seems to be the theme of 2025, along with tariffs. Yeah. Well, a lot of this stuff started in like 2021. We're just getting like real...
things were almost seeing it's like yeah like some actual action towards it okay last little thing in this section before we go to trivia there is a new hard drive art thingy out that i want here are my 100 bullet points and this is pretty hard drive yeah there is a company called buffalo that is bringing back this hard drive design from 1998 it's called the skeleton hard disk
And it basically shows the disc spinning on the inside. It's very pretty. It's kind of an accessory for your desktop with a little window that can show it spinning. And you can see the little, the disc needle moving around. And there's software that makes it so that you can just make the disc needle move in different ways. And there's one where it moves like a metronome. So what it, it's like a standing up,
Hard disk it looks like a wireless phone charger kind of yeah, it's black and gold. It looks really nice Mm-hmm. I have two huge gripes and one I think I'm I hope I'm wrong about this is an actual hard drive disk right like a spinning hard drive. Yeah, just We're still using terabytes. Yeah. Well, yeah Store anything you care about some people do I know but these spin at home. Oh
Yeah, but you're not going to buy a new one today. I bought one new three weeks ago. Some people do. Let's talk about transfer speeds with the micro USB this thing comes with. Hey, that's USB-C. That's micro USB? That's micro USB. It's not just micro USB. Micro B. Oh, micro. Oh, no. It's micro B, yeah. Okay, but look. This is $700. Counterpoint. Jesus. Counterpoint. If it's permanently on my desk, I don't really care what cable it's using.
I do. So you're not going to store stuff on it? Well, yeah, I would. I probably would. Unless I used it as a metronome the whole time. That seems like you wouldn't want to actively break down your hard drive for the art of it and also store things you care about on it.
Seems like a one or the other type thing. Like image storage that I only have to access every now and then, you know? Time machine. Time machine. It's four terabytes. I don't know. That's what mine's for. Yeah. Nostalgia hits people in funny ways, you know?
I'm not nostalgia for micro. Me neither. Or hard drives, to be honest. But it's so pretty. I'm a little nostalgic for hard drives. Come on. Not using them. They're cool. I had some hard drive nightmares and I was so happy. I was right in the age where we were growing up with SSDs for the first time where people would buy like a 60 gig SSD to put the OS on and store everything else on the hard drive because SSDs were so expensive. Yeah. You couldn't put everything on an SSD. Yeah.
Yeah, just... SSDs are so much better than a hard drive. I was like, I gotta have something on an SSD. You put your OS on the SSD so it boots really fast. Exactly. But like a hard drive, an SSD, I like plug in an external one and it's not working. And I'm like, is this fine? Why is it not connecting? Where a hard drive, I know when that's not working because it's like...
This is true. I just feel like there's, I don't know, hard drives. I don't lust for old hard drive tech anymore. But it's beautiful. I love moving on from old hard drives. I agree it's designed well. It kind of looks like an album. Yeah. Like a showcase for an album or something. Uh-huh.
That's cool. This looks like a MagSafe charger. That's it. That you would put your phone onto. With a clear thing. Yeah. It's three pounds. It's four terabytes. And if you've got $695 burning a hole in your pocket, you too could own one of these drives and plug it in via micro USB-B.
The micro B part. B is the one that's micro, but it has the extra little prong. It's so bad. That's like the S5 came with that, but you can just plug a regular micro also in. It just makes it faster if you do. Okay, counterpoint. Wait, to his or to mine? To all of y'all. What? Interesting.
There is a very similar product that exists that if you just want the aesthetics of this and nothing more. Okay. It is made by the company that makes those terrible headphones. Sorry. It is made by the company that makes those cool headphones. It's made by the company that makes the headphones that David likes. Yeah. From five. Yeah. They make a CD player. I believe it's called the CP2. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The CP2. You can't. I can't buy a CD player.
I am in the market for a CD player, and this seems like the one that I want. But yeah, if you want this, but instead of a hard drive, it's a CD, it's right there. I want the headphones, and I don't want a CD player, and you want a CD player, but not the headphones, why don't we just buy the bundle and split it? Wait, there's a bundle? There probably isn't, but I might email them and ask them. Yeah, it's like a thousand bucks. No. I'm just kidding. I mean, maybe. Also, you need to, this hard drive, you need to enter in a drawing.
There's only 50 units. 50 units priced at 100,000 yen. I thought there was 500. Available for purchase starting in June via lottery. That makes it even more like you want it more. It's probably because they could only find 50 micro B cables. All they need to do is have me open up my suitcase full of cables and I've got 50 micro B cables for them right there. That's wild. Trivia.
It's funny because nostalgia, it'll hit me. It'll be like something that I cared about as a kid and I'd be like, this is beautiful. I love it. I want one like the Zune HD. Yes, please. I need it. Bring it back. What if it's a hard drive that looks like the Zune HD? Then I would love it. But then as soon as it's something that I don't care about, I'm like, this is dumb. Why would anyone want this? Wow. I would use an HTC Thunderbolt again.
If it was just like better screen. That was actually the worst Thunderbolt. Sorry, not Thunderbolt, my B. One M8.
I love that phone or I'm seven one of the play version or the regular Yeah, the Thunderbolt horrible the Thunderbolt burned a hand burn my hand It was like the first 5g for G smartphone. Yeah, and I remember having it and it died before the end of the school day Yeah, think about how fast you That was so long ago. You were in school. Yeah, I remember in fifth grade I'd be in like seventh period biology and be like my phone's gonna die and I don't have a way to charge it Yeah, and that would be a problem. Yeah
You didn't have your microbe. And they'd be like, you're a tech reviewer? And I'd be like, eh, it has its downsides. Your phone could die. Yeah. I was trying to do Skype and one other thing at the same time and it overheated and burned my hand. Rest in peace, Skype. I know. Rest in peace, officially, Skype. That's true. Wait, what? Teams. We never even got live translation. Maybe Skype had to die for live translation to run. You know what I'm saying?
Okay trivia. Matias Duarte. Oh yes. Is a Chilean American computer interface designer that worked on webOS, the hip top.
And then Google picked him up, obviously, to work on, you know, Android games. - Material you. What a god. - That too. The first version of Android that he himself worked on was what? - If it's what I think it is, that's gonna be really funny. - Hint. - Yeah. - This version of Android debuted on the Motorola Zoom tablet.
zoom with an x it is what i thought i love this tablet these two questions the amount that these two understand is like 98 the amount i understand is literally less than if you at an android version you can probably get you should be able to say the name instead of the number two that might help i'll take both but sure i'll give you an extra point if you get both
Name and number. I mean, I reviewed it, so I have no excuse not to know it. But yeah, this is... I'm between two because of reasons that I can't say. I'm writing it down now so that I don't... What about the last one? The last question. The first question. I'm just going to cover it up. You know, if you're between two answers and you're, you know, choosing which one and you're going back and forth, you could be saying that you're switching between those. Switching between two? It is a switch...
You know what's funny? I thought that that joke got unfunny faster than the audience did. You were making it. I know. Every day. We gotta go to break. This is plummeting. Okay, alright. We'll see you soon. Switch to.
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Well, wait, can we count the little pre-Android event the week before I.O.? You can dig that in, sure. I vote that because DubDub's just going to be what DubDub was last year because they're still releasing the same thing. They just renounced Apple Intelligence. They just replayed the same thing with 2024 crossed out. 2025. Yeah, but we are getting new UIs for both of these things. Because remember, they're getting the very Vision OS style UI stuff.
And then also the new Android version is also supposed to be really glassy. That is also going to have Material 3 Expressive. Gemini 2.5 with deep research. Both could be interesting. I guess the question is, so, okay, we can do our little preview of each of them coming up. I.O. is coming up first, then WWDC is coming up later in the summer. Google I.O. happens every year. It's Google's.
developer conference where they talk about all the new stuff happening on the software front. But this year, they've separated out the Android part of it, which is usually the part I'm most interested in, because we suspect there's going to be a lot of AI, Gemini, etc. in the main IO. But I'm looping them both together because I think they're both interesting. And I do expect a good amount of new software stuff, like we talked about with Android, with the new UI, with
material three expressive etc it could be fun to watch wwdc we actually have uh some some leaks or at least some themes to expect according to mark german which i also think are interesting there's three main bullet points uh he writes redesigned and more cohesive operating systems which is what you mentioned with like vision os and the glass and
New Apple intelligence capabilities, which to me is- - But we didn't get the old ones yet. - Are you adding to the list or what's happening here? And then lastly, major enhancements to the iPad's OS. - It just turns into Mac OS. - Now every year we have this discussion. The iPad gets more powerful, it gets a better chip,
It does slightly more stuff, but it's never, we make the same video every year. Some YouTuber goes, can it be my computer? And then they use it for a week and they go, actually, it's kind of good at some stuff and kind of not that good, but Apple intentionally makes it a little confusing. So when I see major enhancements to the iPad's OS, it's kind of like reading Tesla Roadster. I go, oh, really? This time? It's for real, huh? And I don't want to get my hopes up too high. But Marques, this time will be different. Yeah.
This time, they're really going to do it. Actually, this video's got a pretty good shot at it, Pete. Oh, really? Yeah. No, I don't know what to expect by major enhancements because I feel like it could just be a different way of organizing the windows that Apple already does, or it could be a dramatic thing that we're not expecting. The two rumors I read are a new menu bar and a new way of doing stage manager. Both of them seem to be specifically when you connect them to the magic keyboard, which make them feel more like a Mac.
Sure. Yeah. But can I move my mouse around freely or will it still snap magnetically to random icons? I haven't used that. It's probably going to still snap. Yeah. Well, you can move it freely between icons, but then when you move near an icon, it snaps to the icon. It does? So like common touch points. Yeah. Yeah. Which is actually, I thought it worked pretty well. I thought it was pretty good actually. Yeah. Do you not like it? I didn't like it. It's weird. You guys need aim assist? Yeah.
It's not that well needed. It's just that it felt good if there are certain small touch points like in the corners or on like small items You'd normally touch with your finger where it would be frustrating if you missed so they just make sure you don't miss So if you were gonna click like a blank space next to an icon that wouldn't have done anything So they just snap you to the thing you were gonna so like when you're using the touchpad. Yeah, I
uh-huh yeah so you got a little glowing white circle for a cursor i i don't know why but it did work i want to try i want to like want to go test this actually sorry i do want to try i think it works pretty well yeah i like that that sounds like i noticed it didn't work i just want to know if i can move it however i want i just want to know if i have free will on my
it's right between free will and determinism it's like right below it you just you can't press the pixels next to the icon it's you why would you want to you have free will but i know best yeah you can't drive off the side of the road but why would you want to
It's like lane assist. It's lane assist. It's aim assist. It literally is aim assist on your desktop. Cars have lane assist, so you feel yourself like, you know, getting too close to the yellow line. That's true. It like bounces you back to the middle. I hate that. And on one hand, oh no, I don't have free will. But on the other hand, there's families over there that I need to not crash into. So yeah, it's like keeping you doing what you want to do, you know?
Cool. Bumper bowling? I don't know. Bumper bowling. It's a thing you can do. Wow. If you want to. But yeah, we'll see. This is all like stuff TBD this summer and I'm trying not to get my hopes up too high. I also, I mean, we've talked, we've had the Glass iOS discussion before. I'm not really sure exactly what that looks like.
But it could happen. I'm excited for the mini IO for Google that's all about Android. The Android show, as they call it. What is it going to be about? Material 3 Express powered by Gemini Nano. It's going to be the version of Android that you see on the next pixel and only the next pixel. Yeah. Basically. Until two months after that. And then it's on all the pixels.
Yeah, then it comes to Google Photos. But it will never be on any Android phone. Like, I've accepted that I, like, we just got this One UI 8 update on our Samsung phones. Seven. Sorry, One UI 7. I just downloaded it today. Just got it this morning. I got very little changed, but, you know, there's some new stuff. It looks pretty different. Wait, am I coming from, is this One UI 8? Are you talking about this? No, 7. Oh.
This? Seven. The like how now you, yeah, the notifications and the. Okay, so I've been on this for a while. Oh, you have, yeah. I just got it this morning. I hate that my app drawer is not.
pages it's one singular sliding draw okay so i guess i was on the beta for a while that's why i'm actually kind of liking i i know a lot of people are mad at this swipe from the right for quick settings swipe from the left that's cool a little dynamic island actually two swipes this time but if you just swipe down from anywhere on the phone then it's your notifications yep so i think it's very specific to go to your settings top right why do we start talking about this
I don't remember exactly. Android. Anyway, I'm excited because for the last two months, we have had to talk about some sort of court case. And now for the next essentially four weeks, we have straight... Next week is mini IO. The week after is IO. The week after that is probably all the leaks for DubDub and then DubDub. It is...
The next month of bangers. I'm excited. Yeah. We've been in a little lull this year, and I think we're finally going to get back to popping off. Everything's going to pop off. We might go four whole episodes without saying the word tariff or court. Or switch. I don't know about that. Well, I'll keep track because I'm highly doubtful. Pump the brakes, Marques. We were in a lull. Now we're going to be in an LMAO. You know what I mean?
I get it. Can I propose? I know it's a bunch of... Wait, you think I'm too young for LMFAO? Oh, no. Yes, actually, the way you responded to that, I do. You think... Not, look, I was a fan of LMFAO both before and after they started party rocking. Excuse me, apologized for party rocking. Okay. Let's move forward. All right.
What were you going to say, Alex? I want to propose a over-under bet. Okay. Specifically for IO. Okay. Not mini IO. Okay. Grandpa IO. Okay. Which is over-under how many things... You know, I'm realizing I gamble so little, I don't even know if I'm doing over-under right, actually. Let's play the lotto. Well, you just got to parlay the money line in there. Yeah. So parlay this money line, fools. Yeah.
How many things will Google advertise that you can now do as a podcast or understand as a podcast? So how many times do they say the word podcast? How many times are they like, do you not want to do this? Now it's a, how many times will they turn something that's not a podcast into a podcast? One. I don't know if we'll specifically see the podcast thing. I do think they're going to turn everything into something different with an LLM. Yeah.
I actually find the podcast thing occasionally useful where you can just drop in a URL and go give me a podcast about this and it's
You use that? I have used it. I don't use it very often, but it is a thing that's impressive that it can do. But I think on stage they're going to spend a lot of time showing people, developers, users, how they can either save time or do more effective deep research or whatever using these AI tools that they have. And they're going to be everywhere. They're going to be next to your calendar, next to your Gmail, next to your Docs, next to everything they do. It's just going to be Gemini, all the things.
And maybe you can also have them turn your Gmail inbox into a podcast or something. All right. I'm setting the podcast. I'm setting the split at two. So, Marques, you have under. You're taking the under. Let's set it at one and a half. One and a half. So, I'm taking the under. Okay. I'm going the over. Over. Over. I think it's going to be two. Really? Broadcast stuff. Okay. Two. Yeah. I think they're going to be like. It's the feature that I see people talk about the most on the internet. Yeah.
internet they've been talking about notebook lm there's a whole app coming out for notebook lm very soon and it's probably just going to launch at io at this point and whenever i see people talk about notebook lm i i do see people especially on discord talk about like really cool things they've done with notebook lm uh but most of the stuff i see is just like
yo, do you not want to like read this entire recipe on how to make this soup? Just turn it into three chefs having a podcast where they talk about how to make the soup. Yeah. Right. It is kind of cheesy after a while.
But if you're that type of learner, some people are visual learners and they have a tool for that. Some people are auditory learners. Some people are podcast learners. Then they do that. I'm going to turn our YouTube comments into a podcast and that's how I'm going to gauge feedback from every episode. Yeah. I'm going to drive my car off the road. Three AI creators having a riff about the podcast comment section. Wait, actually, I kind of want to...
That'd be funny. This podcast right now was generated by Notepick LM. It was, but we're not supposed to be self-aware, so let's stay away from that topic. Adam, what do you have? Free will. All of our comments are bots anyway, so it doesn't matter. No, no, no, no. They're lovely, lovely people with red blood in their veins. Yeah, they're all doing the dishes. You think an AI can do the dishes? All it can do is make a podcast about doing the dishes. Yeah.
It is funny because some of those Notebook alum podcasts like have inside jokes and will joke about things the exact same way we are. And it kind of feels like we're inside of one of those podcasts right now. Where do you think they learned it from? It's true. Now that I think about it, I don't remember coming into this room or leaving it.
No, yeah, you're definitely in a notebook LLM podcast right now. I don't think LLMs can feel the humidity that is in this room right now. What if life is just one big podcast? Damn, that's deep. Damn. What's that show? What's that? The Truman Show? What is that? The Truman Show, yeah. Yeah. That's a podcast. It kind of feels like that sometimes. As a podcast. This is season 30 of my podcast. We're going off the rails, which means it's time.
You know what it's time for. The trivia podcast? Trivia podcast. Not yet. No. That was really good. Guys, guys, guys. Yes, chef. You guys think you're so smart. Well, if you're so smart. Why did we say that? God, it is really sticky. It's so hot in here. Did you see my answer? I'm just not even going to answer. Oh, well.
That's fine. It's okay, Andrew. I have a very special question just for you since you saw his answers. But for David and Marques. Yes. Aero, Metro, and Fluent are three iterations of what tech company's design language? I was not going to get this. So seeing the answer does not matter. Well, Andrew, good for you. This was actually the second question I wrote because I didn't like the first one.
So you can answer. Oh, okay. What was the first generation of the iPhone to have a pro model? Well, I want to answer that one too. No. I already know that as well. Pro? Yeah. Pro. I think I know. I haven't decided. Everyone can answer that question. I don't know. There's no rules. It's 90% humidity in here.
There's no rules, then I'm going to copy Marques' answer. No, that is one of the rules. What's up? Welcome to my podcast about the rules of a trivia game that I made up. That was my Notebook LLM voice impression. 10, 11. All right, David. Microsoft. Correct. Correct.
iPhone 11 Pro. Also correct. I guess we're all answering. I just wrote 11 because you said. That's what I was looking for, baby. Yeah. I wrote Microsoft as well. All right. So two points for David and Marques. One point for Andrew. Wait, wait. Marques put 12. Wait, are we including that? Marques put 12? Marques put 12. Wow. You just assumed you got it right. Oh, man. I wish I got that.
We'll wait till next week to take that point away from you. Did I just like black out in the booth? I was like, oh, I put 11. Great. I should have put 11. Oh my God. Cementing my lead. That is so sad. I thought that was an Andrew question and now I just lost a point. Quick update on the score after that big flounder fumble by Marquez. Marquez with 21. Andrew with 12. David with 25. 21. You know what's bigger than 21?
25. Was it? All right. Matias Duarte, Chilean-American interface designer, worked on a bunch of bangers like WebOS and HipTop. Also at Google, worked on Android. What was the first version of Android that he worked on? That debuted on? That debuted on the Motorola Zoom tablet.
So fun fact, the Motorola Zoom, it's spelled with an X, and it's actually pronounced Motorola Exum, because it was released the same year that King Tut's sarcophagus was unearthed. Waiter. What? No, that's real, bro. That's real. I'm not making this up. I didn't make up any of that. What does King Tut have to do with Exum? Exum, like they exumed the tomb. What does that mean? It means to unearth. Oh, okay. The more you know.
Flip him and read what we got. 5.0 Honeycomb. Yeah, Honeycomb, but not 5. Oh. What? What'd you say? Wait.
Wait, then... Don't worry, I'll explain. Andrew, what'd you say? I wrote six. Wrong. Marques? It's honeycomb. Correct. The number, when we think about the number... Oh, is it 4.1? 4.0 is ice cream sandwich. Yeah. Was it 4.1? So H would be 3.2, maybe. It's three. I'll give it to you. Or three, all the threes, yeah. Yeah, all the threes are honeycomb, all the fours are ice cream sandwich. Wait, so what's this?
Five was... No, no, no. What is this as a correct or incorrect answer? Because he got honeycomb, but not 5.0. So could I just write seven answers and if one of them is right? I told you to just guess. You did technically guess twice and you got one wrong. Yeah, that's two guesses. So if...
One's wrong and one's- Remember I said I'd give one point for the version number, one point for the name. Oh, oh, okay. You did? Yeah. Wait, do I get two points? Yeah, you got two points for that. Wait, why? You didn't write it down! We didn't put the version ro- Well, I didn't know that- Wait, you didn't put the version? No! Marques! Did you say that? I said that! No! If I had heard that, I would have written it down. Fifteen minutes earlier. I'll take both, but- Sure. I'll give you an extra point if you get both.
All right. I think we need it. Wait, wait, wait. Thanks for coming to this episode of the Notebook LLM podcast. Just kidding. Hey, well, thanks for listening to this episode. We hope it satisfied your prompt. Let us know if you want to have another discussion and just put in another prompt and we'll make another podcast about it. The prompt section is down there. It's disguised as a comment section, but it's just a prompt for the next LLM podcast. Catch you guys next week.
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