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The hosts discuss Google's decision to shut down Google Podcasts and its implications for podcast listeners. They explore alternative podcast apps and the reasons behind Google's move, focusing on its integration with YouTube Music.
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What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the way form podcast where host u and I dav, we've got a bunch .

of random I mean.

it's still september, so we had some events this week. We also want to talk about some iphone stuff cares more. The review may should be out by the time you see this iphone reviews out, but has had some weird bugs and issues.

We're got to talk about also have google face swapping in photos potentially as a rumor. And they were going to go over a microsoft and metal events. But first, google try not to kill a new service chAllenge, impossible mode. They they kill google month.

Give us month where they .

do something. Google podcast was a terminated yes way going to OK. So if you listen a podcast, which if you're here, you know, i'm making an assumption, but I feel like you may with the podcast a take a look at the player that you're using.

Google has an APP called goop podcast. There's also part cast apple podcast polifilo. Google decided it's not worth keeping google podcast around. They're na kill IT. Who knows if the battery is goole seems to kill a lot of things probably start moving out of google podcast if you use IT.

The thing is this one makes a little bit of sense because of how much they're trying to integrate pocket into .

youtube music. What do specially putting podcast in youtube music. That's that's what they .

they're just integrating IT in because the will eventually the angle is to be able to be listening and then switch video. And that is that what they're doing now.

right? yeah. So right now in youtube music, if you go to a youtube podcast, it'll play like we're there are now yeah and then you can talk between audio version and video version at the same point yeah my question is what happens to people that don't have a video version of their podcast like you can subscribe to A R S S video. I'm assuming at some point .

in the future in youtube music.

you'll be able to video is .

like a moving away from yeah I mean.

it's just like audio player, right? It's what they're trying to make to like be competitive or spotify and be able to like listen to music. So obviously, podcasts audio only as well.

I think it's just like trying to make IT altogether. That is a benefit that IT can connect youtube. It's .

disappointing to me because I really like dedicated apps like I don't use spotify for a podcast because I I really don't like when I just starts recommended bing random episodes of shows into with my music yeah, someone who I think David peers might have put this on threads yesterday, he said he doesn't use spotify podcast because the other day he was listening to his like, new for you music play list and is playing some jams. He was enjoying IT. And then he started playing like chapter two of an audio book.

He had .

never listen. That should be thought.

if I wants to be like the audio APP, but you that can have that's got to be treated. I just want to separate tab.

I like things being separate. So that's why I really enjoy pocket test because you can really like take the U X, Y to like the specific thing you're doing here makes sense because google kills a lot of stuff. But I think the thing that makes me sad is that I didn't come out that long ago. I was like only a couple of years ago.

I did. I briefly used IT because I I about that many podcast. So it's really easy for me to migrate. I've like less than a dozen podcast I described to you, so i'm using pocket casts now, but I have used for them and I got annoy by like popping off episodes within playlist. So I stopped and I went back and I ve used in podcast, but this is just like one bless option. Yeah so and .

so sorry.

if you only listen .

to three bands ever, you never have to sten to the for you stuff, and then that will never happen.

Please close the horizon, say that what you do so on .

and not a thing. Everyone is just making .

movies to become the all audio at this.

Yeah, I don't know. I I feel in amErica people don't really like all in one apps. Maybe that is me, a different apps.

We have apps with like overlapping functionalities. Like remember when was IT called clue where when clubhouse was like, pop in off yeah and the nature tainting nine clubhouses everywhere yeah and real people would use more than one of these yeah don't ask me how I know, I just know.

I mean, that's basically x and threads. You have to post the same content .

to the same type of form.

No, yeah, no, it's annoying. But IT feels like you have to. Yeah, it's change.

Another podcast news, spotify is partner with OpenAI to be able to take a podcasts, ers voice and turn episodes into different languages, which are that was pretty cool, that's very good. Don't works like see see.

you can see a more spanish.

I know just see I I think this is .

like a cool example of A I um I know we talk a lot about like some things that are more scary and some things that are really useful and this being able to like brought in the horizon of those reaching broader audiences um I think is really need uh, they're doing you with a couple test podcast right now. We are not one of them. Spotify, come on, you know you love us um but right now they're doing IT into spanish and then there will be german and french pretty soon.

So is interesting。 We you have you have seen the audio dubs for youtube channels. If you do multiple guage dubbing for a single, there are couple youtube channels. Are is one of them where we have a feature within youtube that lets us upload a separate audio track for a different language.

So what happens is you can get a voice actor or yourself even to dumb over the video in a different language, that people who speak a different language to after rely on subtitles. And that's a pretty labourer thing to do for a creator. So one of the newest, most interesting tools that started to pop up is A I generated dubs.

So you leave your audio track, as is and whatever your language is. But then the A I will create ten, twenty different languages of audio tracks. People to hear your video in their native language seems pretty awesome if that works well.

But there are a lot of questions about if IT doesn't work well, like what things go wrong, what little words in our annotations don't really work. And other one for us was like when we do short, it's like cramming into sixty seconds. And for a lot of languages, it's like impossible to say that much sixty seconds. So questions around IT.

but IT and I also interested in podcasting when you have three to .

four people and look.

yeah.

and that's fun. Sometimes I know some people like good talking over each other, but we're having a good time here and roll joking around. I would love to see a translator, try voices and then be able to dump all of them.

Yeah, yeah.

It's hard to because David mm.

the rental is actually two person. And mark David just talks a lot.

And IT, yes, yes, it's some. Who said I did our purpose? I was like, it's cool. The seat. Like, I know I wanted to work out, but that's IT seems like podcast a perfect start because it's just like it's mostly just voices with all as we have to upload the music in the background.

And the sound effects is a separate track yeah so that you can have just the voice and then the sound effects to say the same, which is like, okay, now have to expert like five files per video. But you know IT works. That's cool. yeah. I like IT. There's a lot .

strange stuff gono with this. I mean, imagine with multiple movies that are like made to overseas and they get shipped to nine states or vice versa, they always have to hire different voice sectors to host the different or be the different characters. And along the times, you have two options.

You can either like like if it's an animated movie, you can reanimated to make that more natural with the voice or you can you know just let IT dumb over and IT just seems not natural. And I think people become really used to that. Um but my main question is like a lot of different languages have a lot of different parts that they enunciate and kind of like talk loud or the dynamics of like different languages are crazy variable yeah. And I just don't know if that's going to be like a direct translation or how that an uncial and that kind of stuff is going to move over.

And I think it's going to listen to IT. And even when we're enunciating something that yeah wouldn't be unseated, is gonna still bring that those levels up? There's even some like youtube channels of its like an english to english double, where it's like one singer singing a song from a different artist and in that you'll listen to IT and they'll be times you can tell the AI doesn't quite get IT right and you will hear the background of like the other singing. So i'm just wondering if this goes in here and the expanding h and IT, just the word that is gives .

up on and there's just like english word that member tried some doing. They realized they start a lot of sentences with either like some word that has a literal translation, other languages but you Normally won't start like when you say bro and like start sentence like that I would say, oh, it's man so if you started a sentence like man, this thing is really cool IT will start the sentencing, all right? But like that's not how you Normally start a sentence. So you have to actually think about those the dub .

yeah and I imagine that because this is like building an A I model based on your voice, it's gonna like IT will probably get the enunciations correctly for that language to make the sentences sound Normal, but it's not exactly how you spoke IT in the episode yeah so this type of thing would probably work well for like audio books where you're just reading a transcript.

I think that's something that's really free flowing where you want to like your personality is I mean defined by the way that you sort of like push words out yeah so I don't know. I mean, it's interesting if nothing. Yeah.

I think audio books is not the place that could be cool. I'm listening to be an audio book right now and IT says it's narrated by a person, but i'm listening to IT.

And IT sounds like some professional audibility though are just extremely like precise about words.

So makes sense because the accessible he want to be easy when he had a couple moments where he like. He said something I supposed be an explanation, but IT was way too monotone. And I was like, this can be a person.

Maybe he's like, man gotto get through.

yes.

So okay. Well, let's about the iphone for a little bit. There is some new stuff, I mean, every week or something new with the iphone. Yeah and what you might have forgotten is every year there is some gate with the iphone. I have to be I like .

this one happens every year though.

Yes, to be last year, there was more wasn't a build quality stuff. I don't even .

remember the good.

okay. So the one that sort of about the top of mind for most of where I was overheating.

I seem like five posts in a row about this.

yeah. So and a lot of more like our cast and a lot of them are actually people with issues. So just just to get IT out in front, the issue that a lot of people seem to be well, a lot of people that some money of people seem to be having is the iphone fifteen and fifteen pro are overheating and it's been attributed to a couple possible things.

Maybe it's soft ware bugs, maybe it's the eight seventeen pro or just the new phones in general. Um either way, lots of people having overheating issues with their phones and going to twitter, sorry, x to talk about them. This is one of the reasons actually that my iphone review was, I would say, a little bit late because the last thing I ve been testing after all the other new stuff with the phones and all the camera stuff and all the screen stuff and all the other stuff we ve tested is the battery life.

And you know, if you've had the pro max, yeah i've had the fifteen pro, spent the most time with IT trying to compare to the old phone, and i'm just not getting a good read on if it's any Better or any worse at all. yeah. But the way i've described that is with any phone, I typically have a bunch of average days and then a couple light days that are really good and a couple heavy days that are really bad.

And that will let me get my i'm not doing like benchMarks and like laying them out and side by just i'm going by fuel and with this phone, i've had a plenty of those average days, but I haven't had any really good days, haven't had any sort of a light days. I get eight hours on time and i'm like, man, the things like great stand by time. I haven't had that day yet where I Normally would have ve had IT by now yeah and I have had some weird instances of the phone getting hot in my hands in the middle, something random.

There's no rimmer reason IT for like five minutes, for ten minutes at a time. I was just the last ano. I was just at a golf event in florida.

I was like ninety something degrees. The real field s like one hundred and five. I was outside full brightness GPS on for the gulf thing, like lots going on. Phone did not overheat, no problem.

But then on the airplane, on the way home phone is in airplane mode, on playing spotify, and it's getting hot in my hands and drops like four percent five minute, wow, like five minutes. And then I was fine and I went back Normal what what is actually happening to this phone. So it's going to the review.

I have to mention IT. I don't know what's causing these issues. The best guess I have is that some type of software bug, whether it's I O S seventeen or some apps or some combination of things that all of these people have in common. But that's when I find i'm curious if you have any heat issues with the phone you been test.

I haven't noticed a lot of heat issues that I didn't also have with the fourth une pro. That's sort of what I have. IT gets hot sometimes um fairly randomly like especially first.

So i've noticed if I charge IT on a wireless charger even for just two minutes, it'll heat up a lot which that kind of natural but IT heats up like a decent amount. I wouldn't say it's like significantly more than the the fourteen pro. I mean, we've been talking about her batter life has been like either super average or cannabis o average in general on the max.

I've gotten less than I got on the fourteen per max and especially the thirteen per max um because I am getting like twenty four hours instead of like three days. I did have on like saturday. I noticed that I had a really good day where I was like seventy three percent battery by the end of the day, but I was like two hours of, so I wasn't really using .

my phone that much. But that's a good because if you like, extra IT out two hours. And seventy three percent is like eight height hand pretty.

So like to see those days interesting. I know why IT des like just turn the CPU on full .

of through what is reasonable.

This is I really wonder if like the new GPU cores and the new um like A I cores and M L course or whatever, if those are like spinning up in instances where they don't need to or .

so I my thinking behind that is those should all be lower power course than the main big powerful ones here. And if you just go by like people's benchmark results, IT seems that these newest phones have done the best on smart. I've seen a couple different matches.

K results were the newest phones score the highest. That's why I think IT has the thing. There has to be some APP or combo apps or something in IOS seventeen or if you're doing something IT just like flips up to one hundred and just has a really bad five minutes. So I don't know what that is, but that's the only thing .

I can think I for look, I found, do you know he did a video saying he thinks and he was doing some testing, that instagram for some reason was doing IT. And that also IT was an I O S seventeen thing because he got his fourteen proud do IT as well and shows an example of just like loading up instagram, putting a like temperature reader on IT and within like five minutes IT goes up fifteen degrees IT goes from eighty and ninety five. Wow, I don't know. And like at that point, he said he was losing about a percent .

a minute in .

terms of .

battle every minute cent minutes that filming the video. I'm sure that sounds like it's more random than that, although the fact that he was able to the funny thing also is he compared IT to opening threads first, checking the temperature for a few minutes, no change and then open instagram so the same company software, but both totally different things. Um I just I thought that was when he was interesting. Video, IT seems like key. He thinks that I was seventeen, not necessarily just .

the new iphone, but O K, I I be something to IT. Yeah yeah. I use instagram.

I the last days find exact then .

they like fix .

IT without saying there is ever problem. And then for yeah .

this is what I am guessing is going to happen is already on seventeen point two point two. I I think we're ongoing to get some more offer update. I think people are going to push update their apps.

I S is going to continue to get updated and eventually it's going to even out at basically the same battery life is last year. I think it's was going to have yeah um fun. Yeah pretty.

What's a solution to like a exciting gate and everyone wants to be freaking out. But I probably not going to be that insane. Yeah.

yeah. That would explain why i'm not getting as good Better life on the max though, especially if that's happening like in my poc. And I am just not noticing or something because sometimes what I did notice is when I did notice the phone was hot, is when I reached into my pocket to grab IT. And IT was already really high. No, yeah, I was so funny .

to be like not using IT and pick IT up. Yeah.

really. And I had that seemed like, oh, did I like turn a flashlight by accident for a .

while or but I was never on so as one pockets, I the other phones hot and like, what's going on, what's happening? The picture will get form sometimes .

to just animal yeah like, cool.

Like it's the way that in .

terms of the other thing that obviously jerk, everything's video of him just crushing the ah the iphone fifteen pro max in his hands. fantastic. Um or you guys seen any stability issues?

No, I have a start. Oh, I have a story. Oh, I have um my review unit. Iphone, this happens every year. Have my review unit, but I also will buy one of them for my own and and I was at the ultimate first be trying to have last yeah as I know your first determinate and I want to sit down to with my cats on and I slipped out of my pocket so i'm already sitting down on the ground, on on ground like a chair, right? Yeah, yeah.

I want to sit down the ground and two inches out of my pocket, the review IT falls out of my pocket and I literally is one of those drops like gets fine and I put IT back my pocket and I looked at IT like a minute or two later and it's got a crack cross the back. What how I didn't there's no other opportunity for to get that cracks. That's when IT happened, but that's a glass.

And so I don't feel like that's that crazy because glass breaks and the titanium is totally fine as as expected. I've dropped phones on the edges before. This is the thing is like when you drop a phone, it's really just look about what part of the phone lands on the yeah that's wherever all the energy gets absorbed physically speaking, that's what's gonna the art biggest chance of breaking, uh, the next day I go the random mall and moral burgh massage is whatever I was.

And I picked up my natural titanium one, and that one has not had any problems. I haven't dropped IT, but yeah, that's my story. I have actually cracked a phone for the first time in years.

I feel like the last time of phones stopped out of your pocket was was IT like getting into some low car with a pixel. And I got that pink line across the front of the screen. Do you remember that? Was that mine? I think so. But that was also with A I believe a pixel l that was having screen issues where like one of the connectors got lose very easily. And it's not that a broke the screen is that a pink line came up across the display.

Yeah I mean, so my theory and why the like apple went square with the iphone was because if they lower the amount that they lower the chance that a piece of the glass is going to touch the impact point. And IT just hits the rim, the chances of IT breaking our way low. Or remember when the talk came out and they they called IT like what is there branding for the screen that year? Remic shiel remic shield is like, yeah, it's square. So you probably won't hit the glass anymore. It's not just got a but .

they have like infused ceramic and the glass or something yeah something like that.

But I would bet that's probably true. But there like a derbies testing probably got Better because I just didn't impact the glasses as often, right?

Zeta say that the he thinks the semi trial glass is like doing Better for the scratch test. Yeah, he said that looks really good. He also everyone to watch that video.

He also cuts IT up to see how much of this grade five titanium there is because that getting cheap ends like a story. Really the fact that on the pro max he could bend IT with his thoms and just absolutely splinter the back of the phone was kind of crazy. wow. Oh, the only only thing I want to say here, there's a picture going around in terms of this durability gate of like an iphone with a cracked book glass and the camera like .

being completely popped out.

I was like, wow, that does seem really bad and then I found the testing from IT. And it's sam call who does a lot of iphone stuff. And he was doing drop tests.

IT was the fourteenth drop he did. And he was from the second story of like a thing of stairs onto concrete. And so there might be some there ability issues with this, whatever, but like, stop using that picture.

He dropped crazy, mean and crazy stuff. He is like, blow, torture, whatever. Like, wow, I wonder why.

And broke later didn't affect the front screen at all.

I like phones. Yes.

I like glad that .

is terrible. Um i'll keeping I on IT anything else gets scratched or whatever .

happens you'll be the first to know on.

And just like the backlash is like shadow both .

sums in IT. I just want to try you didn't see that. I don't .

watch I caron action.

I want you to know if there is a light color stain steel underneath the blue coated or dark coated titanium. So I I got to the part where he scratches the titanium and it's immediately just bright silver under IT.

No, but that's still the grade five titanium, right?

But it's a coding I cut through.

It's a coding he cut through, which is just college. Just like, however, do that.

that was my concern. Like if I dropped my phone and it's a dark color phone, it's gonna look crazy. yes.

So I to show though, okay.

I am .

like, obviously you're not really going to be doing that. But he mentioned right after this, like iphone don't do this in any of my testing every time I do this and it's only the pro max. So i'm assuming the verge of IT is helping with that. He could not do IT on the regular pro.

okay. So that's really interesting because I remember remember the gate and IT was just a six plus because that was a thinner, longer piece of uninterrupted lumina and he was easier to bend that fascinating. Yeah, another year and another gate.

What can you do? Leave IT to them to find IT. Um okay. Last one want to talk about is you guys seen this a it's a pixel eight feature league. I don't know if you're see any these pixel eight .

leagues floating round internet goo of google. Always surprising they can still leak things when we think litera million software yeah so what do you thinking this one, the face swap, how you describe IT.

So yeah, so effectively, they're like they're showing that if they take a picture of a family and all the kids are ring demons and they just tap on their face and they become happy and they like i'm assuming the weather doing this is when the um when the camera is open, it's constantly simple ling frames. So it's just grabbing ones where they're smiling. And then when you take the photo, if it's not ideal, you can just stop on their faces and merger yes.

it's like a life photo guessing right? And IT has the previous and .

prior video. I doubt it's that because that usually only takes like eight frames before you hit the shuttle button moment of capture. And like eight frames after you hit the shuttle button, I would assume that it's just looking for faces all that time. And if he sees someone smiling, it's grabble one of those story memory.

That's my guess. My my other guest was usually in an action photo. You're just taking multiple frames. So like if you're doing IT, then your gallery probably has five or six photos next to each other possible. The U I of IT was really need words like they're on a margo round care sale.

And yeah like one person, the kids not looking at the camera and they like click her face. And on the bottom this little U I comes up that shows like four other options of that kids face. And they just click on the options, and I .

just swipe the kids face away.

Yes, yeah, I hot. And what you use this because they had this magic editor feature before, where they just showed like, oh, there's is a cape of balloons on a park bench. You just want to move over, like click him and drag on over no issues all I mean.

this seems like super reasonable if you're taking pictures of both how many times you take a group photo and like there's not one single one where everybody is perfect. So like and at least I am at least happy, this is taking other .

photos .

of the person .

and not .

make .

gene hop. Yeah, I think this is cool.

but it's not a .

photo exact that's true.

It's like you can just photoshop this and then you going to put in photo taking .

from another photo.

But it's not the one day.

I think this is the least creepy out of maybe all of just imagine .

imagine that you look to your photo gallery and they're all different scenario when you're the beach, when you're on the ski slopes and in all of them, you have the exact same thing.

I think it's pulling them from recent data.

Probably think that shows .

multiple different photos on the car and then it's like showing IT swapping the face from a different photo. yes. So I think yeah least from like it's not like hey swapped this picture of my kid on the care sel, except you taking a photo from their second .

birthday and you I know a blue sky looks like to just keeping going yeah when we go to the .

google event on the fourth, I will definitely be aggressing them about how this works.

So I think this is less creepy than the I O stuff where IT was like literally change every single piece the photo .

yeah the they probably announced some of that up yeah they try to make .

IT look like really friendly like because I think it's like the barrier entry to photoshop like you're write this is photoshop and spit. It's not exactly photoshop, but it's the it's the same thing you do with photoshop, which is picture. I wanted to look a little different to make a look Better and it's not the same as the original picture, but this is what I wanted.

And I think that's the same philosophe here. It's like I got this this capture and it's of my kid. He's really happy.

But also I wanted him in the middle and that person in the background and I want them there is some just do that roque ke and its super easy key and IT goes away. So that's that's what I feel like regular people actually want. Yeah I could be wrong, but no that I think so.

I just feel like their tools have gone from being helpful to now being like a lie.

Where's the fine exactly? But where is the .

line before was like, oh, you know there's someone in the background, remove them OK fine.

K there .

it's a face.

I don't a man, I don't know. I think I disagree everyone on this one. If it's if it's a swap from like three seconds before when they're just looking at the camera.

how far is too far a minute before .

if it's like not in the same action.

I guess it's such a different like thought process because you it's like are you trying to capture exactly as that moment happened and then you can look at IT later or you just trying to make a piece of art .

that includes your entire family? Film has been because you shoot film. Is that the capture of the moment? Yeah, fundamentally. Anyway, yeah, in slowly, digital photography has gone farther.

And father and father from that to like even just a regular iphone photo of a tree, you're technically merging several moments together, one a split second before, the other was a capture of the sky with a lower exposure and the other was a capture of the tree with a higher exposure. And it's merging those moments together. It's not it's really a photo, but we're call that one.

We're all that one OK. What if was a kid like just a picture? The tree we're call with those three moments because they're a millisecond apart and nothing changed yeah I mean.

I do you ever do like A A of any sort of um like why can I think of the the like auto correcting brush and like a photo, there's like a sensors. I feel like do you do any of that and photos? Is that too much?

That's fine unless .

it's what line are we draw here.

then i'm i'm saying i'm actually .

fine with all I think you're .

saying top the shutter .

post zippo that with photos.

I think my issue is more just the time space between them. So like a tree example, that's like milliseconds, it's not on a human perception level that crazy but like different faces in a scene that's like spending what thirteen seconds of everyone joking around for the picture thing instance okay, in two seconds that's like perceptable time oh man.

I I disagree. I don't go so weird about this is like .

a video then take .

a video yeah and you can put a video on your .

wall at OK. Have you heard this? Here's this too far. Here's my question. You have a stock image of you that your profile picture from years ago and you take a picture of you.

I yes, you get .

your faces blurry, but it's just like superimposes details from what you knows your face should be like. I think that's creating something new though OK, yeah so IT is, but so is the other thing not .

taking two pictures and it's two pictures .

from here's an example.

Here's an example I took up. Remember the photo we took for like max birthday party here, and we had everybody, including boris and astro, in one photo. That photo that posted is two photos, but straight down the middle, because boris and backward and looking at the camera at the same time.

And that one was maybe thirty seconds apart, seconds second.

That's exactly what this face is doing. It's just doing the face and I .

cutting down the middle of IT. So it's weird when it's .

way too much time between the I think in all these, assuming it's within like like I may like those my photos, it's like OK find the ones where .

there they're actually looking at. It's going to be hard to define what's too far. Yeah, everyone is going to have a different line.

I, from the day before the same G, P, S. locations. So it's probably the same light.

So it's fine. Yeah I think that's .

yeah yeah .

I go back to the spot like take another picture to it's you care what is a photo .

but see that just .

your opinion, man yeah .

and I can wait to .

see guys real money. Now this is actually a .

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alright, welcome back. We are, i'm hoping into the first event of this episode doing two events this episode. Um this one actually technically happens before last episode one up, but we had recorded already. So that's why recovering IT this week instead and the microsoft surface of IT that happens a rear.

but it's not happening .

with panel .

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year because he okay, that was the first room. D else. O well.

since then he .

was the chief product officer. Microsoft are like nineteen years actually been on the podcast before episode noise. Episode was episode.

Yes, I wish here for, but he was a great episode, is always like, seem superposition ate. We have met a couple times and I I have to admire how much you like. Here's a supervise guy seemed very into the products.

So as much as we talk about presenters of products because there is a huge variety presenters of products that one guy who a can really get into the weeds of, like I like product people and he you can tell he uses the product and like really appreciates and understands any wants of how other people are going to use that. I'm not sure I think he lives in that world.

Do you go on hikes and use the surface pen in excel to track your altitude?

I think panels, I think he did. I think he gone to the flow all over the place. But okay, so we're going even what happened at this event?

A, I, A, I, A, I, A, I, A, A, I, A, I, A, I.

So being stuff ai not as much.

They are clearly flexing .

their OpenAI partnership. Yeah yeah like this. So I don't get to watch .

IT apparently was like a private event, but at least they had an event. And then they had announced the things from the event after some like that.

people like live blogging about IT. And then they had like a testing Harry, where you could try stuff that .

was like amazon to the same thing, right? It's like event, but it's not really alive, but it's also not really that private. So you can everyone's eating from IT is config. Don't know why they didn't .

just streaming ing on youtube like someone made this point the other day. And I thought about those like that make sense. It's like nobody knew that this windows that even happened because they didn't stream in on youtube. Yeah and I would have created a ton of hype from a ton of random people and people would still be talking about IT, but they didn't dream on youtube. So I ended up in some random blogs .

and they ve done a part like have string IT. And yes, like we've watched IT before. yes. So I don't know why they decided not to this year.

But um in terms of what they announced, they like we said, like a lot of a AI stuff seemingly. Um copilot was kind of main for sharing and copilot they announced before. So IT did sort of seem like they were reanna ced a lot of stuff but with enterprise focus um which you know maybe this is why they didn't life streaming.

But I I think I was like because they announced IT and how IT is into the new like windows eleven update. And IT feels very similar how like the iphone event this year was so much the wwdc. But now like here's the actual product.

Yes, you're seeing IT in, but I guess for us, when we watch everything feels redundant. But prop, well, no one watched this event. So I guess it's not I was going to say then IT makes IT a little easier for the people watching specific device or software stuff. Yeah then they are seeing you for the first time, but I wasn't just so I .

don't know yeah um one thing that was kind of a core point that was exactly what we talked about, what the amazon of that actually was, the fact that they're allowing you to now communicate with your chat out with voice. So many model multimodal in terms of can also create images, but like because they announce deli four and now being chat has the ability to create images. You can put in images and ask things on that kind of stuff.

And deli three, right? No.

I wasn't to talk about that.

Yeah, we are ready for a dolly three.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of the funny thing is like open, I announced dully three, they announced and they have charged P T. four. And all of this is like twenty dollars a month. But you can also just do IT for free in being that.

I think the daily thing is really what made this seem like microsoft like flexing its partnership. It's like they announced this a week ago. And I look, we're already announcing IT as part of inside the windows .

still be the first one to integrate something with IT because that partnership they like inside how developed they know what's gonna be capable of. They get to just make that stuff first. Yeah.

pretty cool. But a big thing is that the assistant that you're talking to has access to, like all of your windows eleven stuff, all your files, all that stuff. So I can actually do stuff to the things on your test top, right?

Yeah it's it's like a part of all obviously the microsoft sixty five apps um in edge and being chat there. IT has all that. I think I saw something across the ice support where if you're asking about information, you can also access your phone, which i'm assuming we need some of APP.

But an example that uses A T yes. So microsoft has this like phones link thing bilton that links to your android phones, that has access to all your photos and files. message? Yes.

using example of like asking for flight information that you might have unlike an APP on your phone, instead of probably right right on your computer. And then I could gather information through that, the voice as well. I mean, like this again, bringing back to the amazon event.

And like the fires stick, this feels like all of us listening to this podcast in this room now are one step closer to not having to be the family tax support. Like the fact that you can see stuff you can ask and I can help help you with things that are happening on the computer. Yes, i'm very excited for yeah so it's just event yeah.

we talked about this months ago, but they miss such a big opportunity to just bring back clippy. Like people would love that it's but it's free. I people is perfect. Get to this later but like meta, like use real human lighteneth to make this chat board and microsoft have the opportunity to have a paper clip talk, yeah, which has come on, dude, people way more okay with that.

You like kids these days don't know what a safe button floppy disk is. People don't like it's fine.

IT will be it's a people .

barely know a paper clip. Imagine, see you .

paper good kids are .

gonna seen paper cut mall.

They want what's .

paper and why do you clip .

IT together?

What's computer the clip?

Um yeah. So you can now communicate with basically copilot going to be deep, more deeply integrated across like .

microsoft entire ecosystem. Yeah bringing IT from .

like we were used to an edge. Now it's in for the two places on my computer where I personally think I would get the most value out of an A I copilot is one in my browser, so I can be a long side my browser and help me either summarize or find or make the most out of what i'm looking on the web page yeah. And two is alongside my computer, and it's strained on and knows everything on my computer yeah and I can just ask IT for a file.

Where is my w nine from twenty eighteen? Just like pull IT up. I don't want to find IT like you know where like that sort of thing like he can summarize things that i've written, things that i've read, my eat my inbox.

Like all that stuff should just be like, known by the A I. I trade all of my privacy to this. A I for you to help me out.

I will trade all of my privacy to copilot. If you can figure out windows in audio drivers and which thing, like music is playing out of around my computer, out of the fifty options that decides.

So I listening the hard fork, which is this podcast with cases note. And then Kevin, it's very good, very funny and very, to the point cases, very funny. And they were talking about how they were basically google recently announced a sort of a version of copilot that only plugs into all your google apps. See a IT was a IT was a bard extensions, which we do not cover yet. I think that came out last week or late last week called bard extensions. And it's basically the same as this where IT plugged into all your google apps and then you can talk to bar about things that might appear in your email, appear in your this and Kevin was asking, uh, was asking bar like, how do you think my emotional status based on some of my emails and IT and I was like, IT seems like you're kind of depressed that and he was like, can you pull up like an email where IT says I was depressed like that and IT generated a fake email that he said that he never sent. And so and this happened multiple times and i'm AI got to he like, oh, but i'm just like if you're asking me to your flight information.

How can you trust me?

You trust me, trust IT yeah that's think like IT doesn't seem ready. Yes.

even google is not ready really good. It's just like IT realizes you noticed it's wrong and it's like I don't want to be wrong. Yes, you think you're wrong because one of .

those things were like, I think busy enough. People all at some point just go like, what if I had an assistant? What they do and I think when goole ist came out, that felt like the dream because it's like, this thing is gonna know my calendar, know my inbox, know where I commute to everyday, know what i'm going to do the next day, what i'm like.

That's going to be basically everything I want from an assistant and it's free and it's built into my phone. I just asked IT what what time I got to leave for the airport for my flight, like is my flight on time? I just ask things. Now the one thing I need that to be is dependent factory reliable and if it's going to guess like me about things that never been wrote in my invoice kind of broken.

it's not good. It's not good. So I don't know. I mean, we will see how microsoft hopefully a little more controlled considering its more enterprise focus and they have a lot more to lose. Um but the bar extensions thing is, is kind of .

while I mean all of these I enjoy because the people who go and break them for the first week, so like when this is really rolling out the new windows that I can't wait to see, all the I really they mess with IT.

I miss when being .

was going totally up and was a fun week.

They had a limited to five chat because I was going way to exciting member .

work on the video. And I had all these examples of things that would do, and one one they started to .

about the, I started generating.

like you would like to go to.

what is that yeah turn IT off, unplug IT. Um anyway, besides this a eye stuff that they're announcing, they also announced some hardware.

a one more .

windows update h which we did cover last week. But i'm just reiterating OK layers and paint banger of biggest thing of the air I know it's .

been how do you not live stream layers and paint .

a huge standing vision I think but .

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out if I get ten .

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graphic with yeah thank ation yeah thirty .

seven years in the making um OK anyway, they also know hardware, a pretty boring updates, I gotto say. And this has been the case for surface for a very long time. Um we got a surface, 呃, wouldn't, which wouldn't the boring one to go?

Yeah, everyone's favorite two and one. You know, we love two and ones here.

The go is not the two and one now no.

the studio, no, the surface of to go three is a two, one they didn't release. I mean, I wrote this later in here. Like there was no just like surface laptop six, there's no just regular surface lap notify from twenty twenty two is not something that they announced, which is obviously i've been using this for very long time.

Yeah, I did IT. I love the form factor in the size. And like nice hinge, everything about this is fantastics. So I kind of looking for a junior.

but that's that's the thing I should interact. That's the thing about like even work on the iphone review and some pieces of attack. I always think like this piece attack was really, really great.

I wouldn't change a thing about IT. That's why I was fun that there wasn't a new one. But yeah, what do you yet to be?

I think it's more like people really enjoy getting told that has a new feature that they didn't even realize they want to a yes. That's why people still want like a tech events to not get totally leagued before IT happens or when there's like an oh wow moment during like a during and of some kind. It's like a very exciting to have no idea what you're going to see.

I think that and also like when you see new piece attack, you kind of picture IT in your life and your like the last version of IT like made all the right choices for my life. So the news version will also make all the right choices for my life. And I like and but IT all be a Better .

in every direction hopefully. Yeah no be are this is a so the is mp up looking for something new? You try. I want to get IT from the same year. The last surface laptop was from twenty twenty two at this point almost year ago.

So yeah, so I maybe if they didn't ounce IT now that means it's going to be a big nounce separate .

event would been just as big oh had a separate event yeah a separate yeah yes surface up top go three is the two and one mapped top um I mean yeah kind of born under two and half pounds, fifteen hours battery life fash charging to all venge touch en fingerprints read power button, seven twenty p webcam, uh, core I five integrated graphics eight or sixteen. It's a rim. I mean, this is just like nine hundred dollars.

It's like Kevin heart clip where he's getting interviewed and the guy says like i'm like forty years old he that's the same you said twenty web my body put in wow yes.

to be fairly like all webcams are seven, twenty eight recently just one of .

those ones. I feel like just kip over that .

yeah yeah um I think the most exciting laptop that announced was the surface laptop studio to verbal name, they should just given any name um but it's an upgrade tive version of the laptop studio which recovered last year, which is quite fun. It's sort of a not true successor, but kind of spiritual successor to the surface.

What was the cause called the study studio? Yeah, now the .

study is the best top. I'm talking about the surface book, surface book services book, just called surface book. I was a tablet that docked into this, really awesome.

yeah. That was the apex of microsoft hinges. I love that.

Not visually.

I like IT look like .

a snake spine. They reminded me of.

aren't they .

just fine.

just on muscle? huge. fine. They do ever spine in good to, yeah. anyway. So they made a lot faster. But the thing that is actually fairly interesting to me is that they put IT a dedicated A I accelerated chip .

in IT oh yeah .

they kind of gloss over that um and a lot of the articles also lost over IT, but they put mp u separate from the main intil chipset in there or rise and chip set what they are using .

prime because there are too trying to talk about the forty, fifty or forty six options that um promise up to two times Better graphics .

performance than apples .

and max ship graphics performance from a forty. Feel like i'm sure there's some sort of gaming scenario or even just like rendering scenario where maybe IT is Better performance than that.

But it's like a very specific show, a blender and on stage and started the macbook pro at the exact same time. And as they started the laptop studio and the macbook pro like took too long. So they kept they just moved on to the next section while I was still rendering. But a lot of studio finished fast, but it's optimize specifically for that kind.

Yeah I forty sixty is a nutty card like that's a great card. It's going to do really awesome.

Yeah, but the M P is interesting because it's kind of like you don't really fully understand how A I is going to be like wrapped part of windows, like a really important part of windows. And but the NPU is specifically designed for those tasks. So once we actually get this version of windows in people's hands and this laptop comes out, then maybe you'll see how it's like really accelerate celerity. All the AI tasks that is supposed to do.

I think says a lot yeah I think about how much they actually plan on having this stuff like work its way into windows because if you're going to put dedicated silicon in the computer for IT, that means they're going to do enough of IT that they want a separate ship to take that action off of the main CPU. And so to be able to do IT faster .

and ideally say you Better ah so pretty says a lot yeah yeah he does. Um it's actually kind of been saying how quickly windows went from like having nothing to do with AI to this is the entire new direction for our .

company when you spend that much money. Yeah partnership.

But it's crazy because before ChatGPT came out, microsoft microsoft I was less than a year ago and investment before only when ChatGPT came out that microsoft like we're a different company. Yes, I do. Yeah exactly. So I think .

just the laptop studio in general is like a interesting it's a fun laptop. It's fun because it's totally different. I do appreciate IT. IT is like .

I is the .

way the screen hinges. We can come forward like an easy and just like other time I thought was really call them to and this is just updated version of IT um .

yeah I think I ve .

got to go to try. It's definitely a lot more to like throwing your bag for traveling yeah there was one of the thing they didn't. And now it's funny that I was announced outside the event, but the event itself was kind of outside .

of but there .

is a surface go for which is like a tablet for yes, super cheap yeah it's like a cheap but like frontline worker like go beat IT up, not great processor and everything like that. So they know that as well. But I was yeah I was bombed. Like I said before, no surface slap top six would as I assume what I would be, that's usually I think kind of they are like fig ship.

I agree it's like it's sort like how google has the pixel as being like. This is what are under here. Under this is what android could be could look like. Here's all the crazy features that we could have on android. Yeah, that's what the next devices used to be.

Was that one of the questions I asked? I didn't ask penalty. I think I asked the CEO that like are you competing with other OEM? Or are you like trying to leave the way? I'm trying to member .

probably just have to leave the way because the companies that own the platform don't care about the hardware. It's like google just got like just kept not trying with the pixel.

but they want a house, but they want to have a piece of hardware to be able to flex. Like here's how well you could .

integrate with a test when they make new software features, they can test IT on the thing that is .

made to run their software are features. So no surface six means either a mission accomplished, b were just late and it'll come out later. I think they're just late or see, is that just I think .

the surface laptop studio is still like A. It's B, V machine back. I handle all this really well. And you would almost like, say, is the like if this the surface not top six, would have been the pixi more?

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so let's always .

keep in the ddd so both of you can decide my president. Shower me with race, please, please. But yeah, that's the microsoft event. Yeah, I was the best part of IT.

There are there is even more events we ve got to talk about, but we we do have some time to get there, which means we should have a little, little break. No, I i'm .

back every time. oh. But I phone .

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You guys get my weird question during yc.

I got the first way.

Which one the viewers out there? Meta, if you arranged the letters and meta, IT spells, White.

important food group.

It's M, E, T. A. It's like, mom, what's your E T A?

anyway? My real question .

is also about matter. Yes, matter. Your real question is no .

newcomer to the hardware game. As early as two thousand and eleven, they had a facebook. I was not branded but oriented phone on the market. He was called the HTC status member. HTC status is actually, we named the phone two first name.

Do you remember?

The first name is terrible.

I do remember IT, but I don't remember IT. That's the problem. Like I remember .

that I facebook .

going .

to make a watch at one point. Two, yes. And like you .

guys with house, he see .

status. I remember having a worse name.

I did have a worse name when nt made IT an exclusive of theirs. I think they made HTC change the name least. That's what the name got change.

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people like anyway, there was a meda event, had a big long keynote with I guess mark okba gave most of the keynote, but there's a one of other stuff. We got some announcement, but he was live stream, so shut out to that, at least ending up. And we got some new basically three new things that they announced.

IT was the quest three. IT was the, I guess it's called, would you call them glasses? That their glasses? The Robin Stuart mark too rabin's glasses camera will talk .

about mark glasses on the screen.

Yeah smart glasses and also an A I thing yeah.

So my long is going like .

use that umbrella term for now. So okay, I start with the question. So we knew the question is coming. The big thing where I know honestly, if you're just talking like most accessible, most popular, their heads sets in the world is the quest that's the one that .

three hundred books is the one four .

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jacked up the Price. okay? so.

Little so we have the quest to, which was A V R heads that didn't have, I think you had maybe one pastor camera. Yeah, this is the quest three IT is a fully what they're calling IT. And this is very specific wording, is the first mainstream headset built for mixed reality.

And what they mean by that is when they say first, they mean we're coming to market before the vision pro. And when they say mainstream, they mean we will cost less than any of the others, including our other one. And when they say mixed reality, they're referring to the fact that you can use pass through all the time, and this is how it's meant to be used.

So you can put things in your daily environment. You see your environment around you, but there are virtual items overlay inside that environment. The mixed reality thing, the reason costs more for ninety nine when IT comes out october because it's got to have a match now has got cameras on the outside, more sensors to do Better pass through, which is understandable. That also got a new snapt I G an X R two with double the graphic performance. I think they said it's going to have ninety hurts but will two hundred twenty .

hours with a beta yeah yeah so .

it's got a bunch of new stuff that looks pretty cool. IT looks different on the outside yeah and it's coming later this year.

This is definitely the reaction to apple, although they announced I mean, they they announced that technically before the vision proven got announced. But I think that they knew that people are starting to move to mix reality stuff or special computing stuff. But IT is such a huge divergence from their previous quests because the previous quest have been all we are yeah yes, you technically have .

passed through, but it's black and way. It's really low. Frame set is a .

set to set up your n quest. You're like, oh, know something .

wrong yeah and most of this keino was talking about mixed reality. Yeah, which is so funny because every other time, like guys, we're going to make the universe happen. We're going to make the metaverse happen.

And then every game, they would released this just VR, just VR. And they have the same thing. We're like apple has the thing where that you can dial in how much of mixed ality you want versus virtual reality. And now you double tap and you are fully immersed in the VR world, you double happen, then you've got mixed reality back.

Yeah so it's also funny because I remember we were talking about this a few weeks ago and you were like, oh, the new metal quest is probably going na have like this and this and mixed reality. I like, why would I have mixed reality? This is not the oculus quest pro, is their mixed reality. Think why on earth with this habit that makes no sense departition. The the most success of the they saw them .

to assyria.

But here is and is there and I can't help but think this looks pretty awesome and makes the apple, uh, I said so many times I messed up, but the quest proceed bad.

No, yeah, almost no reason anyone should ever get the quest pro. I mean, I was sort of made for businesses in the first place. So I was a couple dollars.

And I reminds me me of the muslin mock e where you like, okay, it's not the same as the other mustna s but I could see what you would want to use the muslin name to get people to pay attention to IT. Because if they try the new name with this that didn't say oculus quest, I don't think you would receive quite the same way. Yeah so this sort of graduating to mix reality and we're just like this is a part of the family now.

So this is just the way IT is now. Questor makes reality great. Yeah some other .

updates on that. Yes, you can now use and the hand tracking is apparently significantly improved once I said through some A I stuff.

okay.

very generic and probably training on more hand or something uh and he also said like you can use the new controllers, which by the way, do not have the rings anymore. So now there's they're significant improve controllers. He was like, you can use the new controllers or you can use your hands. So IT seems like they are probably wanting to move towards just being able to use your hands for everything.

I mean, if it's like the quest pro, they said there is way Better and some sort of things in the new controllers and these controllers look exactly like the quest. So again, IT feels like championing .

for games you want to like use guns and stuff makes sense of controller has back A A lot of things using your hands is probably can be useful. Yeah, I wonder if the same pinch just your type stuff.

Now I still think because like the vive does pinch just things. And I remember change one time telling us a big reason of that is because when you on your finger, you're getting feedback from yourself. So like you still want that feedback .

yeah and it's all builds out already like you can use your hands controllers, but it's like this interesting like point of mechanism where you put your fingers together. And then I draws a line at so it's different from the from the vision pro, which in apples demo, you'd just look at the button and tap your fingers anywhere and IT just selects what you're looking at, which was very different as a very, very much more complex thing.

That's a three thousand dollars, said a set. We know it's different. That's that's a difference in control.

Yeah IT really feels like they're trying to pivot towards being an apple competitor like previously, I kind of elt like there were different use cases like apple is like this is all productivity and work, and you can, I guess, kind of do games, but you're going be watching movies. You're going to be watching court side. They have the same thing. Yeah, they had like the same demos that apple used to, like show off the vision proof.

watch all the NBA games, like have one N B A games, but they also kind of the other ones on the side and scores and stand stuff like exactly the same example did IT. Yeah I can't believe this is coming into the thing that feels like the quest pro, sorry, the vision pro competitor or because I thought the quest lineup of these, like cheaper ones, were really going to be based on V, R. And gaming. And let's be real, the best things you're still going to be able to do in this are we are in gaming. And like that's what I actually like about the quest to and what this will be by like echo, that's got more um it's got mixed ality.

And depending on how well they can do the productivity stuff apple is targeting the vision pro to be, they could have a leg up because apple doesn't really see the vision pro as a gaming device. I mean, it's heavy, it's expensive. You don't want to sweat IT very much.

Whether this is like you've got swappable headbands, you've got all these things. They're washed their machine watch ball there is cheap. It's made of plastic. And so like they've already gone super far into making this a good gaming device. So if they're able to nail out of the productivity stuff that apple is doing with the vision pro, they were kind of ahead in a little ways.

IT feels like this is an area where they they they've got to be ahead because they've been making these headsets and they actually know how people really use them. So apples never made. I'm sure they have market researchers and they know how people they think they're going to use the headsets. But I think mark set on stage like IT turns out people love fitness in these things and like seems crazy, but it's the most popular thing people do in the set sets is like turn games .

into like fit experience is like ah the number one thing I play .

on these thousand times and so much things just like me to say people I think it's that and it's also the quest pro is three thousand five hundred dollars. The vision pro is three five hundred dollars. And I think if i'm just forecasting and like basic apple language, remove the word pro, they're gonna have a cheap .

er version at someone out there. There are posted from um I can min jq quo that that cheaper version is potentially cancelled, just that out there you of the pocket that's all there is. There's like no more information about.

but there I am. I just go back like apples like they do in the future, what they die in the past. So okay, this says the word pro on IT.

What does that me? Is the higher and expensive one, which problem means are going to make a lower and not as expensive features? sure. And that probably be in the same Price bracket. Not the same Price may be but the bracket. So they will have a leg up in both adoption because it's a lower and knowing what people actually do with IT, having a plastic build, having interchangeable headsets, like being more fitness focus.

I think have a bunch legs up in thing behind in the ecosystem. Vision pro is basically a macbook that has all of your apple stuff yeah like mirrors.

IT is connected to your eyes cloud, but is also a literally mire your macbook yeah well, with this, I think they showed himsilf are and they had some microsoft compatibility ties. I'm trying remember actly what they said they would do, but they would do some stuff like teams yeah I mean.

I do all my business and whats up. So I think i've got this directly plug dh.

Yeah we we. This is no is is a new headset will we will see when he comes out in october. There is actually one thing .

they showed that I have a little bit great with good. They are showing kind of like the mixed reality and how you can use different africa they call them um but basically like different apps and programs that would be able to be kind of pinned around your world. Similar to what apple is talking about, the instagram, they are making new instagram basically APP inside the metaphors that can that works in your space, in everything.

But there's still too lean of a team to make an ipad APP. You can use that excuse anymore. You put IT in the metaverse and is not on the I would .

bet you to really excuse why they haven't made in ipad up is because they compressed photos too much and because they compressed them. So if they ve stretched them up to a bigger scale, they're going to yeah, yeah, that's the best .

theory that's arise. I just want to say as as the person in the office who embarrassingly has probably spent the most hours in the quest pro, I know not something i'm proud of. I'd like to apologize, my girlfriend for making that public. I, I, I don't see the difference between the quest three and the quest pro.

I see the difference this more stable. This is I Better than he .

was a little bit more powerful if people say the color on the past three cameras is Better. But other than that, it's like, like, what what, what is IT actually like that someone saying.

I think this canopy, zed, the quest pro, yeah, well, except for when you like sell IT over Price drop SE businesses by saying is the provision but like I think the cheaper plastic and lightness of this will be a way more .

comfortable because the .

quest pro was not exactly .

and comfortable and gets wet. I mean, you get swain this.

but i'm usually beats plus .

when we think i'm full workdays and this until .

I start puka like dream yes yeah then more time minute i'm interested.

They have a ninety hurts with the one twenty hts beto whatever that means. Um but i'm interested in the um latency because one thing that the vision provided exceeding ly well in the demo that we had was like such little agency that you could stand up, walk around, run around and I felt .

like you're mixed one where .

I feel fight points of ping .

pong with .

the heads that yeah .

real .

pink we can I don't every other one you would like swing and you'd see the best and you'd think you're connecting but there's enough way and see that you're not connecting yeah and the pastor on the vision prois that good yeah yeah we'll say about this one .

one other thing .

this has .

what I say doesn't have is those creepy eyes on the outside you win IT does have a little bit of new design IT does look a bit different. It's IT looks kind like alien yeah but no, not your own eyes. Plaster on the front, yes, staring at you.

yes um yes. So that's that's quest three. It's coming october tenth. Uh, he said August tenth by accident, and IT showed october ten the screen.

All of this I have a meeting of like, what day is next year? Next time, not start when he said, I just like, I swear again top, I know it's september but yeah, you're right, it's october.

He opened the next part of the keynote with all right, this is kind of a really hard pivot. It's completely different, but i'm just gonna for IT. Let's talk about AI and I was like and .

then four people in the front river.

like golf, I got every technical ever is just like it's a so .

the main thing they announced .

was meta AI, which is going to be populating basically all of their meta apps. You're going to be able to talk to this L M in what's that messenger and instagram uh, I don't know about facebook, probably facebook, but maybe they don't see to do that. No I guess .

like messengers built into facebook as well yeah the thing um but .

it's basically based on their allama two model, which they are like populating throughout all of their applications um for those they don't know, lama was their largest language model. These are all different names of animals um mostly because some animals have two els in their name, large .

language and they which is photo generating yeah um A I and there wasn't an acronym. I don't remember that sticking they were trying to do to like undercut .

in a ee was that they none like both the chatbot which they want to compete with GPT for and their image generation bott which they were specifically like. IT doesn't take minutes. This takes literally five seconds and everything is free.

So with open the eye right now, you have to pay twenty dollars if you want to use GPT four, and you have to pay that money if you want to use dully three. That is built into GPT for now. So the .

images showed looked pretty good. They all kind of had a sort of a cartoon h like drawing yeah to where I would be curious if they can do other styles but like anytime you see no like that, you know their hands like in the absolute best of the best version. So i'm just going by that and saying, right, these are pretty good. yeah. Curious if I can test IT and see what they actually looked like if .

I test more yeah one need thing I think they did with IT was bringing IT to, like stickers. And what's happened? Messenger, where like you, if there was a sticker you didn't have, like if you wanted a frog on a skyed, you could type in and they would create one through email. I was like, that's the kind of little thing .

that I actually think is kind of, yeah, I was like that kind of like in I O S seventeen, how you can like turn anything into .

a sticker and use IT throughout your different apps. S maybe you are talking about and then I would make a sticker and then put him in. Yes, I think around. I think that's core.

I B M old. I just every time, every time I see a technos get to the sticker section, I just at my eyes glaze over. And yeah, just like, wait for the next thing start.

I know a group chats, are you in work and not and even that uses stickers. I'm in group chats. Know what he uses the stickers and but no, clearly people do because there's a little section in every cano.

What's the google thing called where, if you like, put two toys I need to react with a frog .

with laser ze, so just go thing .

other crag.

I love that. I love that's like you bring your imagination to life. And just putting into .

the check is one of those use cases that I can imagine perfectly, I just never, ever use yeah so limit the very our slack is going to .

be full of .

when we move our all our .

more chats to.

So but far, the weird part about this meat I thing was that they are announcing these chat bots that you can interact with, use the lightness of a bunch of celebrities. So we are with different names, and we are having this really weird, especial question about, like conversation about the other room.

even just the way they announced IT was strange, because IT showed they just, they are like these new people you can chat with that are like videos of people talking to you. But there is a bunch of pictures of people we recognize different.

And then for a while, so what you can talk now, making up Victor, played by doin wade, and I would be doing weights face. And you're using, you're having a chat conversation with Victor, but also doin wade and you're just supposed to not say it's doing like it's Victor.

but it's downway dth personality and likely and so that had snowed g.

that mr. b. Brady, a bunch of people in there. And I was like, you can ever conversion time bridge, but it's bob. I said I.

It's like if one of the chat box goes nuts and tells me to jump off a bridge, I can't say tom lady told me to jump off a great so i'll have to say brue told me to jup off bridge. That's the difference that and then time ready won't be in two lawsuits because if if any company of. Because I think about IT, if any company approached you and they're like David, we want anyone to be able to have a conversation with you through an age chatbot that we trained to know everything about you.

Your fans can just talk you all day and and that would be super cool, right? And the one objection I would have is like, what if that chatbot said something crazy that I would never say yeah like, no, trust me, IT knows everything about you and I would never say anything crazy and i'd be like, but that's what you had said about being and that went through a week yeah so just to protect me a little bit, you can use my lightness if you pay me a lot and also call IT something else yeah and I was just a weird, confusing. I am .

surprised that this many big name celebrities agree to this. There are, you are all huge celebrities.

I don't money .

so much like, oh my god, it's crazy.

They said it's coming for regular creators sometime in the future like next year.

He did ens like it's coming for you.

That's well, he did have this like three, four minutes o where he was like, look, we know that creators really value their brand and we don't want to have this could work going to roll this out slowly impatiently and be careful about this because we know you wouldn't want you to just represent you without you knowing exactly how it'll behave. So that's why we're using IT with these first.

i'm going to turn my action, but and into your AI.

let me talk to my kids. Hey.

markets.

Yes, adam.

we talk before about how people like breaking these things the week of people breaking these with celebrity like this, this could be so i'm stock a little .

confuses .

IT really using like their personality or they just they're like putting people there's like a chef that you can ask cooking questions and there like uh, chis pal was golfing because yeah ah so yeah I don't know it's really them .

or more just like so I just to get IT to .

feel friendly I wouldn't talk to bob the funny guy but mr. Beast faces on IT may be I need A T.

I to talk to one of these people.

A C P, and ask what the terms, conditions of this war like. Did they scrape all of their text .

messages .

in terms of, like, finding their personality .

right?

But then why even pay levities at all? I guess it's a familiar face.

but even that IT just looks like this, a single photo. And then like, what's that face up where that people always take your face and say like crazy things like that all feels like pha video is very obviously like .

it's like just weird master, like animals ting in the corner .

yeah how really .

could you yeah and that's proof is no point personal?

Yes, that's personnel. L that's that's the over. The iphones been overheating. New seven.

Yes, is weird. We got to a dolly .

deterrence.

What way for this to out? I think there was the weird tech of demo i've ever. I was genuinely battle. Yeah, higher time.

I too. Yeah, at no point did you feel like you want to try IT. No.

yeah I do got to say all of the celebrities that they had on stage to like are on on stage but in the APP to be like, hi, i'm mr. Bees and I do this all you might didn't want to be there but super jog like showed up at this .

fall like costume was all .

IT IT goes one hundred ten person.

They labeled mr.

Beast as the funny guy.

yeah. Also, Chris polls, a basketball player. Not going on. Yeah, mabe, that's that's a super day. Actually, that was not subtle.

Was a child.

Barkley golf too. Yeah, we heard you .

spend a lot of time in the behind. So we're going train this one on so one who vacations a lot.

The vacation? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think that they took the idea of these personalized ais because this is a whole conversation.

And like the A I space right now is like they're going to have a sub AI to help you with like every single little task that you want to do versus like one ominous AI that happens to know everything, that sort of the competing conversation that seems like they just took that negrin with IT. Interesting, yeah, but what do you do with mr. Beats the funny guy, especially if it's not his personal.

I tell me, joke only, man.

The joke button over and over again.

yeah. And then the bigger question in all of this is there's another conversation about people owning their digital twin. Have you heard of this this conversation at all eating fleeting over the past couple of months?

Basically like if I can go on the internet and ask Abraham lincoln and ask to talk to a ham lincoln and there's a there's a AI that's trained on everything he's ever written and then i'm basically talking every home icon. It's like that eventually going to happen for everyone, whether you like IT or not. Someone's going to scrape all of your videos, you're going to turn IT into a bunch of text, all of your tweet ah someone is gna make AI .

markets and but like what phone should I buy and theyll just like asked the AI version .

of me yeah yeah and so the question is like, should you own that and it's a technically your likely versus you can someone just randomly make IT because someone will make IT against your will? What happen?

It's gonna take some sort of a redefining of what lightness is. Yeah but yeah, you should do that. Yeah sure.

So we'll find out when matter releases this version of that in like six months.

I just this started .

in october.

wasn't longer just it's been less than a year and we live in a completely .

different I feel like google probably thought about this and said, we do that. They like, you can have a conversation with pluto because we know everything about pluto, literally everything humanity ever knows about pluto, to google knows that too. So you can have a conversation with insert subject here.

But what's like being nine hundred million miles away from the sun? Alice, seems like was pretty cold. What's the closest thing to you? How bright is the sun? And don't know everything and have .

a conversation. What did you think the disney character? Alice.

no. The planet, the plan, the planet .

was .

so over .

the super confuse is pluto .

nine hundred million?

Ah yeah ah no you .

so they had that moment.

And then I think IT was out of A A guo demo that that happened. And I don't know that ever became a real tool people use, but I guarantee somebody was lamed to. We also have a bunch of info about people. What if you just have a conversation with brock obama? And so was like, no, we shouldn't do that.

Yes, that person is a lot.

Yeah, they have exactly. And that could have a bunch of weird placation.

Yeah I mean, a the transformer was invented in twenty seventeen. So I at google, so I would bet you that google has had basically like this level of technology for a while. They just knew that I was freaking ridiculous, reckless and dangerous to just like release IT and in the eye like we're just a random foundation. I I don't know and I just went with that. Now everything's .

google is like i'm too busy killing off services .

to releasing, sorry, that thing that's going to change the world. I was focusing on google podcasts.

Well, anyway, the last thing that they announced, we we had the AI, we had the question ory. The last thing announced was the ray ban glasses.

The new one's really two stories ban stories to and they show all these demos were like this chat comes up and you can do this cool thing where you're streaming on instagram from the glasses and you have video calls from the glasses and they see to your camera and all that is super call for first person view, but there is no screen. So if you're stream on instagram, you can't read any of the comments you have, have your phone out. If you're on a video call, you can't see who you're calling. They just see what your camera is like. There's a whole bunch of weird missing things that was actively confusing.

And because everything they showed and IT would felt like you were reading things I would like when you went charlock lair. Best part of the entire by the way, have one driver that is like and um he's like life streaming a girl card race and IT shows like the chat like you can see that and then like later, when is showing how he uses A I so can a new future that's coming out next year. So if you're asking, hey, matter, I I can say that I don't think i'm going to set anyone one's device IT is the so you can ask, you can ask IT things and you can like a chat pot, but it's audio only. But in all of the examples are showing the question ask and showing the answers from IT, which feels like if I were watching that and not paying enough attention, I would be able to see that .

the glasses but you can yeah you you hear IT in this yeah so that that yeah interesting. I don't know how useful IT will be. This is why I tweet like google glass.

Hear me out could come out tomorrow. I would still feel I have its because google glass was the same idea IT was actually I didn't even have glasses attached to IT. You could have just the first that was the friend yeah and I had the bone conduction speakers. You could hear stuff but also would show like navigation instructions in coming notifications yeah like all that self on a little prison yeah that .

none of these smart glasses that we're seeing have like video support to like actually see something in a screen and everything is just like a records video. IT does this, but you can't like watch anything in that.

What if your screen could be projected onto something in front of you?

You that sounds like like a very humane technology and also like something from two thousand and four.

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but IT has the yes 是是是 but yeah like .

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know all that whole thing。 And even just like saying we're announcing three things today and showing smart glasses at the end when you're talking about all ai mixed reality and everything. And then just to be like, oh yeah, they're just glasses with a yeah camera that feels like a privacy nightmare and also there's no video on the screen. All the big updated .

them was that next year you're going to be able to talk to hear personalized A I I don't know personalize. You'll be able to talk to an A I in the glasses.

That's that's already that will be out when IT comes out. The thing next year is that reference.

So the camera will be able to like you can look at, I don't know, bottle of milk.

Do they make a bottle trying to yeah was cartoons .

here bottles .

of milk really a bottles? Maybe somewhere else maybe.

Like .

color .

doesn't yeah.

but it's like a little mini. Like, yes, a boat. I guess .

we don't .

golden milk every time .

I picked .

up a back and milk .

I just picked .

you .

IT like europe. I've never seen any states.

We just this, this, this is what I had in well loading internet.

nice. Anyway, so if you looked at your bottle of milk, yeah, then the AI catheads ally black, hey, drew in your ears that no one else can here. This has got fourteen .

hundred galleries that I think the example .

is showed on. I have ever seen there.

I like the example where I was looking at a leaky for set, and I said, hey, meter, what is this? And they respond, how I M how I fix this. And I said, this is a leaky fact. You start by disassembling.

And I said, to be IT has to talk you through with zero visuals. There's a world .

where this works amazingly well, just so far from IT. Like if I can look at my tool chest and be like which tool and it's like through the left hacks ranch when you grab IT and IT starts directing you, that's like, that would be sick. But I just just no way that works that well.

Yes, you need your hand like two over the right and then you grab IT that sounds .

if he was that good without a screen because it's got to do all audio for that's why the google glass one would show you picture of like that. So we're far we're far from this working well. Wait, is there somebody .

doing this in the wild of like what like talking to their glasses and like moving their hand based .

on the questions they're asking? IT conversion airports pro have the new audio that's like it's adaptive. I bet you they only made that because they want people to be wearing the vision pro and feel more immersed with the noise canceling. But then when they actually need to talk to people.

oh, that's great .

point yeah if like passed through on the headset yeah audio pastor, wait. Wow, wow. yeah. Efforts got the best pass through audio already in headphones, ready to pair with the best pastor video in a headset I never even put together.

I just hot, take over quick. I would be thirty seconds apple. I don't know anyone else feels this way.

When they released the adaptive mode, they made transparency mode worse, because transparency mode used to reduce noise by more than IT does. Now, IT feels like to do the adaptive mode. They like how to make a room like fishing IT. And I like to say the old transparency mode was just golden, and I was using at all weekend. And just like this.

I wonder, I know I see.

I .

hiap does .

this too. We both used the airports. Pro is our earplugs because they are the best in trance.

Currency of best are frequency. They are no longer the best concert. Your plans in transparency IT slough enough that IT hurts your ears. And in adaptive, you lose the higher. And I was just like, that's unfortunate .

because .

I wonder if the people felt disoriented when I would just go from full transparency to like cutting noise, like interact really quickly. So they had to like lower that gap trap.

Transparency mode now still will cut like rupp loud night yeah so sharp, perfectly transparent. Yeah interesting.

But it's less attention that at one.

i've finishin certs like my years hurt so bad and I need something to cut free hearing .

you do because .

you're .

listening to this pocket.

Three question.

yeah so, yeah. So google glass coming soon. Yes, google lass killed again. So ravin stories like you can adapt, you could put regular frames on them, but then you have to wear like ravin style regular glasses, all the and then otherwise, and glasses and are outside you.

So so then you just needs like a visor with interchange able to solve that.

You just need a wire that has little display on the corner and you know get .

there sometime in the future .

yeah or you get an implant in your eye.

replace your eye.

Just a narrow link on humans pretty soon. Okay, this stuff.

if you is one full of you ve .

gone a full circle, which probably means it's a good time to end IT. We just complete the loop perfectly right there.

Yeah, I still don't think they make bottle milk .

in the nine states. This just bags everywhere. Thanks for watching bags. Thanks for listening. This is last, last step. I wrote down one of the answers, so I got to covered up trivia time.

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every with nine. First question, google podcast is going away next year, which was released for android in twenty eighteen. When did apple first release the apple pocket APP on mobile?

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mobile.

IT was on .

an ipod first.

I think he said, well.

sell ipods.

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like twenty in the classic was .

the last one living they killed the I think was the classic.

Remember they .

brought .

the touch .

again. why? And I said twenty sixteen I .

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said twenty sixteen.

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say two thousand four what? You're all wrong. I very .

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that's much you apple podcast the podcast .

APP on I O S. I remember everyone .

saying review on for so .

no IT was on itunes since I came out. But for mobile specifically, IT was in until twenty .

that the later .

and ester .

cast in itunes on your ipod and yeah .

what yeah .

was like playlist pocket. So apple .

podcast low came into the top as a separate APP. How would you get the podcast on apple pocket? They do things and .

they show up in your music library.

Wow, four g really changed the world.

You don't get a no point, no point alis question.

facebook out of phone. At one point IT was called the HTC status. But before I was called the HTC HTC status, IT was called what .

the SONY .

experience, five.

five, two thousand.

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interesting question.

I remember that cannot that they announced as that.

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I have that information .

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around living.

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be wrong.

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I try to saying, just like a different marked. I tried to pronounce ce, that, oh, it's the to thank .

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off.

Come back.

This was a long pocket, i'm sure. So um we will wrap IT up now to let the editing commence. Definitely tune the other channels because there's a videos like we talked about in the works for there should be a new studio video soon that is really awesome.

Working on there is a new main channel video, new auto focus video on the poll service is a lot of story everywhere, if already. And take temple rolls on. I look by the time here, this yeah so tek temple here.

Next week though, we will be talking about the pixel of because pico and next week is on wednesday. So the the affords the mar.

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