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I have a hot take that's going to burn this whole podcast. It's going to be great. That's coming up? Yep, it's coming up. Should we start this with that hot take? Sure. Only the USB Type-C AirPods Max get it while the cable is attached. Yeah. And so obviously, okay, so the Lightning one doesn't support it. Most of the AirPods Max out there are the Lightning one, but okay, these $500 headphones finally got lossless audio. Oh, boy. Updated my LinkedIn program. My hot take is...

What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. We're all back in the same room to talk about a variety of things. Wow. A true grab bag of chaotic things in tech that have happened in the last week. Everything from a mixed reality headset to a weird backwards foldable to a massive AirPods Max update out of nowhere to dub dub dates to maybe another folding phone coming soon. It's all here.

And then, of course, we'll end with our crown or clown game. And clown. Crown and clown game. Because we're doing both. Right. Which is, you know, perfect for the end of the month. Yes. Yeah. But first, can I start with a video shout out? Okay. Okay. We do this every once in a while. We do some content. But there's this video this week called I Built a PlayStation, which for audio listeners and probably even video listeners right now, that probably sounds really confusing because

It is spelled P-L-A-Y-S-T-A-C-E-A-N.

Crustacean. Like crustacean. It is by someone named Ginger of Oz, and they built a PS1 that looks like a crab. That is the easiest way I can describe this, but it is incredible. You know how everything eventually... So there's a thing. We talked about this on a podcast long ago, on a podcast very far away. There is a theory in science where everything eventually turns into a crab, and it's called carcanization.

the PlayStation has had its time. Speed runs directly to crab. It's finally evolved into the crab. So this is a PS1 ONE, not the first PlayStation, but they made like a more, a smaller adaptation of it later on. So it's a little more like curved. And I guess there was an

art project someone made online and this ginger of oz guy decided to 3d render it and model it and print it um it's great the video is really well done it shows how he did all the things this has a working disc tray working controller ports the claws in the front of it have two working ps1 controllers with the sticks and r and l buttons on top of it um it's incredible and it totally works and i really think you should go watch the video we'll link in the show notes um

It's a work of art, though. Big meaty claws. Big meaty claws. Very cool. It's also like the claws are attached, so if you use that as a controller, you have to play within six inches of the actual console. And holding hands with the crab the entire time. Holding hands with the crabs while it's staring you in the face. Do they actually work?

Yeah, everything works. It's all bendable. All of these arms rotate and everything. It's really well done. That's epic. You know what's funny? When I opened this doc and I saw that picture, it did not register that it was a PlayStation. I was just like, someone has a toy crab. That's cool. I was laughing because Marquez was like, we have a chaotic episode and just on my screen is a crab PlayStation sitting in the document. One other video that came out, in case you haven't seen,

was from a little creator we know as David Amell. Wow, little. Got him.

Never mind, don't watch it. He's too small. Sorry, we don't punch down around here. Yeah. No, you released a GFX 100 RF review. I did. I did. Do you want to give us a little TL, a big TLDR? Big TLDR. And then everyone else can go watch it if they're interested. Cool. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah, so I made a camera video. It is the GFX 100 RF, which is a

rangefinder style

Fixed lens medium format camera. That is the official meaning of RF. Rangefinder style fixed lens. Very Japanese. Very Japanese. But basically it is a fixed lens medium format digital camera, which we haven't really seen before. There is one from phase one that is horrible and costs $63,000. I remember phase one. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. People kind of universally say that you should never buy that. No, you shouldn't.

But the RF is interesting because if you knew about the X100 series, which was very popular for many years, and then the X106 came out, we have a video on the studio channel about it. This is like a medium format version of that camera. It looks very similar. It has a few extra features. But the overall consensus is that I think that this camera is sort of for two groups of people.

It is for existing film photographers or people that used to shoot film because it has this really cool extra feature called an aspect ratio dial.

that is on the back of the camera that emulates a bunch of the old aspect ratios of film cameras. So it has like 6:45, 6:7, 65:24, 6:17. Does not have 6:24 because Fuji was not insane enough to make that. But yeah, it's super cool. I think the two groups of people that it's sort of for are street photographers because the whole ... Basically what the camera is, it's a medium format 100 megapixel sensor

that has a large wide lens mounted to it. Well, not large. It has a wide lens mounted to it. So it's kind of like take the photo in general and then reframe. Crop later. Yeah, crop later. So either you're a film photographer who you want to use the aspect ratio dial to compose in camera and then you take the photo in the same aspect ratio that you would take a film photo.

Or you're like a street photographer who wants to use it to run around taking photos of things on the street or street work and then also crop later and still have a lot of resolution.

So, yeah, it is $4,900, or at least a little video about it. Whenever you do a camera video, I'm like, that thing costs too much. I'm not even remotely close to the person who would. Yeah, it's interesting. It's the cheapest medium format camera that Fujifilm sells. It's pretty much the cheapest medium format digital camera on the market that you can buy new. Its biggest competition is the Leica Q3.

And the reason for that is that it's basically the only other fixed lens digital camera that is full frame or larger. The two things that people are yelling at each other about on the Internet about this, because, of course, people just need to argue about something. Fair. That's why we get views on this podcast. Yeah. The RF does not have image stabilization and the lens is F4.

And a lot of people, well, when I went to Utah to use it, and it was a little bit difficult when the light got low because I like to shoot at blue hour, which is the hour after golden hour where it starts to get darker. And without a wider aperture, you definitely have to push the ISO up a little bit.

You can just change it to black and white mode if you want to do that, and it looks kind of fine. Film grain. Yeah. And then I think that people have just gotten really used to optical image stabilization, but the body of this camera is only a little bit bigger than the X100 VI, which is an APS-C camera. So the fact that they were able to fit a sensor way bigger than there. I talked to some people who designed the camera because I flew to Prague, bought some plane tickets, bought some hotels, flew to Prague just so I can talk to the Fujifilm team.

That worked on the camera and they said that if they had even made it f 3.5 The mount would have been bigger than the size of the body So if that is true, I understand why it's f4 But I think this is for a very specific group of people and anyway, I made a video about it the video talks about aspect ratios and why the film aspect ratios are the way they are and

And it's on my YouTube channel. I have a question for you. Yeah. How high do you think you could push the ISO and it still is usable? That's kind of hard. I mean, a lot of people will say now that the AI noise removal has gotten so good, like there's a Lightroom AI noise removal tool that's really good. I think you could try a lot of those. I shot a fairly long exposure shot at 4000 ISO and it was a little bit muddy.

So I would say the highest I would push it is like 2,500 max unless you're okay with it being grainy. But again, if you shoot in black and white, black and white –

stuff is already kind of grainy so if you also 2500 is really good 25 is pretty good but you know so we also just talked about sony cameras recently yeah yeah yeah one thing um fuji is releasing a they're going to be releasing a like red competitor um i think later this year or early next year called the fuji film eterna that is a box camera i'll be the judge of that

Well, it is a turn as a sweet name already. Yeah props for the name Eterna is their old film stock by the way, okay Yeah, actual film stock it has dual native ISO and I really I think it would have been awesome if they put dual native ISO on this camera Because it's using the exact same sensor so it would have been really cool if they had put dual native ISO in this camera because it would have helped with those kind of things and

But yeah, people on the internet got very angry at each other about this stuff because the Q3 has optical image stabilization and a f1.7 lens. This lens is quite a bit slower and no OIS, but it has a lot of other features. So they're very different cameras. It's just that because they're the only two fixed lens digital cameras that are full frame or bigger, people lump them into the same category. They get compared with each other. Also, the Q3 is more expensive.

Yeah, the Q3 is $1,400 more. I have a banger follow-up video for you. Okay. Ready? GFX 100 RF versus iPhone 16 Pro Max. Ooh.

Do you want to get people on the internet riled up? That's one way to do it for sure. Anyway. You got to do a drop test. So that's on my YouTube channel. I had many existential crises about whether or not to put it on my channel or just start a camera channel. I think you made the right choice. I think I made the wrong choice. Really? We can get into that another day. Yeah, we can. We can.

Well, speaking of products designed for particularly niche demographics, Huawei, thank you. You call me niche? Well, I think a 100 megapixel $5,000 medium format camera is... Oh, I'm in this phone. Yeah. Oh, you're in the niche for sure. But it is a niche. Huawei Pura X gets unveiled slash shown off.

Okay, so you know how we have like hamburger phones and hot dog phones, right? So we have like folds that go out like that and then flips like that. What if you take a phone that's shaped on the outside like a flip but folds out like a fold? This is really hard to describe, right? Yeah. A hot burger or a ham dog kind of thing. Exactly. It's like cat dog, right? Yeah. This is the cat dog phone. It's...

This phone is so simple and so hard to explain for audio listeners at the same time. Because what it is essentially is a Samsung Flip or a Moto Razr. But when you're looking at it closed, rotate it 90 degrees so the hinge is now on your left like a book. Yeah. But then when you open it, you have to then rotate it another 90 degrees to kind of use it as a standard portrait version. If you want to use it as a portrait tablet, yeah. Yeah, it felt like Huawei was at their meeting and said...

you know, we've seen all these foldables, flips, fold, like hot dog versus hamburger. How do we innovate? And they just did the like por que no los dos meme and like cheering at everyone. And they're like, we did it. Here's both in one. This feels like something LG would do. Like they're picking up where LG left off of like, hey, no one's done that swively thing yet, have they? Okay, yeah, now we are. So here's the, yeah, the Huawei flip fold.

- Well, the interesting thing about Huawei is that they have never really made a fold that looks like other folds because they were the ones that put the screen on the outside first when the Galaxy Fold was doing it, folding internally. - And then everybody else started doing that. - And then they made the, well, nobody did the outside screen. Like the-- - Oh, sorry. - I'm thinking of their flipping phone. They had a flip phone that looks exactly like Samsung's flip phone. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they had that. - And they do have a regular folding phone,

But they, the first. No, but that folding phone has the screen on the outside. No, but then they also have this one. Oh, yeah, you're right. The Mate X2. You're right, you're right. It's just a regular folding phone. But then, so they made the weird one, and then they made the tri-fold. That's awesome. Which nobody has yet copied, but Samsung inferred at Galaxy Unpacked that they were working on one. Big LG vibes. And now they're making, yeah, it's like. Just trying stuff. I wonder if Huawei and LG are anagrams.

LG. I don't think so. But yeah, no, they are definitely picking up where they left off. I think it's an interesting idea. It's still a small-ish phone. It's a 6.3-inch phone when you open it. So you know how some of them are like kind of gigantic, 6.7, 6.8? 6.3 open. So it's not as gigantic. So I feel like there could be a smaller crowd that's into this idea. And the weird thing about the size is that's 6.3 but with a different aspect ratio. Yeah.

because it's wider than most phones. It's 16 by 10 on the interior screen. Yeah, right. And I think it's interesting because it's smaller opened, but then it's really compact when it's closed. And it's almost asking you to like use it a lot closed if you're okay with a really small screen. I shouldn't even say really small screen. It's bigger screen than like a, I think,

I think it's a bigger screen than a Flip when it's closed. But because where it's rotated, it feels more portrait style. Totally. And I think that's kind of cool. I think this wants you to kind of use it half and half of closed. This wants you to use it closed more than like a Flip or a Razer. I think so. Is my guess. Yeah, because it turns into like the iPad mini. I think it's too small to use it closed very much. I think it's similar to the Samsung situation and the Razer where you have a big screen on the outside, but you're not really meant to use it on the outside that much. It's more just like,

I want to read an entire notification without it being cropped. I want to see, like I might play a game on the outside once in a while, but that's really kind of a niche thing. Okay, so CounterPoint. Yeah. Clicks, Michael Fisher's brand, Disclosure.

our friend slash my ex-roommate not my ex's roommate but my ex-roommate he just released they just released clicks for razor and it uses the razor closed and then you use the keyboard and you use the whole phone closed yeah so it's like this that's even more niche yes oh yeah because you attach a keyboard to it um

But, I mean, you can do everything that you can do when the phone's open. You know what I mean? Yeah. Except watch a widescreen video. But that's why you open it. Exactly. Turn it sideways. Yeah, I'd say that. Like, this is, I feel like that's enough to answer a text message. It's enough to, like, if you're doing walking directions in Google Maps, I probably just want the small one that I can throw in my pocket super easily. Totally.

I don't know. The other thing is when you open it, it's already in landscape orientation. So if you start a video while it's closed, you just open it. You don't even have to turn it. That is probably the best part. Book style. I like that. I think the best part of this is Huawei is getting a bunch of news coverage because they're just like, let's take a flip and rotate it 90 degrees. And now they've got an entire news cycle. Hey, someone had to do it first. Someone had to think of it. Nobody else did it. Also, the main cameras are facing you. So it's like built for selfies. Mm-hmm.

It's fire. Triple camera up top. So it's going to start off as China only. It's going to be the equivalent of about $1,000, similar to like Razer and Z Flip. And it's probably not going to show up in the U.S. anytime soon. But we get to read articles about it and admire it from here. Yeah. It also seems like if you want to take pictures of things that are not your face, you have to open it. Yes. Yeah. Exactly.

I mean, similar. Minor downside. Minor downside. Unless you get a giant viewfinder. It also will be the first phone to ship with Harmony Intelligence, which is Huawei's AI assistant. Powered by DeepSeek. They're calling it their own in-house AI model powered by DeepSeek or something like that. That is an oxymoron. I forget the exact, I'm sure the exact phrasing is in here. Do you guys think that in China, DeepSeek is like a hyped brand?

That is so much global appeal. So hard for us to know. Enhanced by DeepSeek. In-house model enhanced by DeepSeek.

- In-house Pangu model? - Yeah, yeah, it's DeepSeek. - It's like, if you are gonna say in-house model enhanced by DeepSeek, you are, by nature of emphasizing one of those, basically discarding the other. If you're gonna tell us, it's our in-house model, oh, I'm supposed to be very impressed by that, enhanced by DeepSeek, oh. Okay, so it's not-- - That's kinda like how Siri is enhanced by ChatGV2. - It's like, okay, I'm either impressed by one or the other, not both.

But you can pick your choice. Siri can do basic stuff, but when you need really hard tasks, we offer that to ChatGPT. Right now, Siri can't do those basic things either. Maybe not until next year. That's true. I have one other announcement, and I want to preface this. Not announcement.

Yeah. What are you about to say? I'm prefacing this by saying I'm 99% sure this is real, but I'm not completely sure this is real. And I'll explain why and you guys can help me figure this out. All right. So there's a bunch of posts and very few news articles about something called Vivo Vision, which is

the company Vivo, we all know. They're a phone manufacturing company. They have done a lot of crazy things in the past. Were they not the first people to do the under fingerprint? Vivo, yeah. Yeah, they were. Years ago used to be the ones innovating a lot of stuff that we tested before we saw them in every other phone. But-

Vivo Vision is their mixed reality headset that was showcased at a conference in China last week. Allegedly. Okay, so the first time I saw this was on a post on Threads. And the video, which I thought I linked in here. Let me find the video so you can see it. Has this very wonky, sketchy effect on it that looks...

Like it's AI enhanced really bad. Look at the bottom of the screen. The whole bottom is just glitching out and the VivoVision text is like freaking out and looks super AI. But everything else looks totally fine, right? Yeah, why? Okay, it looks like someone shot the video in like 16 by 8 and someone said at the last second, you need this video to be 16 by 10. And so they had to AI extend the bottom screen

500 pixels of the video to be taller. So the bottom of the entire video looks like it's a glitching out and AI enhanced, which includes a lot of the text, but it's kind of weird. So I, when I saw this, there, there are not very many news articles. The only website that I frequently visit that posted about this was GSM arena, which I generally trust. Forbes has an article. Forbes has one. Forbes has one. They all show the same two images. Um,

But so I reached out to a different Android reporter that I know and I was like, have you heard about this? He said no. And I showed him the video and he's like, I think there was a watermark on this. And that's an AI watermark removal. Probably from some Chinese publication. And whatever this video from is just the only one we can see, not on one of those websites trying to remove that. It's so sad that someone was like, I want to not attribute this publication so badly that I'm going to mess up the video and make people think it's fake. Yeah.

But I think it's real, ultimately. And we need to talk about how it looks because there's not a lot of information on it. But this is like if a mullet is party in the front, business in the back. This is Apple Vision Pro in the front, Vision Pro in the back, Wuhan in the front. It is the exact same thing.

Knit band and battery connector and battery of a vision pro yeah And then the front glass the front it looks like a higher quality Material version of muhan where it has like a much bigger face shield like face padding yeah and kind of thinned down actual like screen and sensors and stuff but yeah

This image has been saved so many times. It's just so compressed. Exactly. Yeah, it's like this one image, one or two images on every single website, and then this AI video floating around, 25-second orbit of this thing. It looks, yeah, it looks kind of like Vivo saw the Vision Pro and went, all right, we're doing our own headset, heavily inspired by the Vision Pro. Yeah. Not shocking. I definitely, so this is probably going to run Android XR is my guess.

Or they're going to do their own software. When I did that Android XR video, it was kind of along the lines of what do all the non-Vision Pro headsets run? And if you're a meta and you have your own Horizon OS, that's cool. If you're not...

Maybe you just use Google's new OS because it's going to work with everything. And so this is probably going to run that. And we'll see when it eventually comes out, maybe. I find it very funny that Meta was getting so hyped about making Horizon OS like the OS for headsets. Yeah. And just nobody cared. Did anyone else use it? I think there may have been a Lenovo.

There were companies that announced they were going to use it. I don't know if any actually came out. But they wanted to make the OS for the metaverse or these VR headsets. And I don't know if anyone actually took them up on that. So we'll see what this ends up doing. I'm going to guess it's the Google one. I think so. Android XR. It's Android XR. So all we really know outside of this is that it was at this conference that

The bow forum. Is that how you pronounce that? I don't know how to pronounce it. B-O-A-O forum. It looks like a business conference. So my guess is Vivo wanted to show off, like, look what we can make. It looks like the video of it is in this little Vivo booth, which they apparently also showed off.

6G advancements and that X200 Ultra smartphone. Oh, God. Here we go again. So do we know whether or not this is like real or just them saying, look, we can make something just like the Vision 2? That would be my guess. This might not be functional. Because it's also called Vivo Vision, which is sort of an immediate like, hey, we can do manufacturing exactly the same as Apple. Yeah.

This is everything short of concept without having a word concept in it. Pump our stock. The closest information I found on this is that there's a prototype anticipated mid 2025. A prototype. A prototype. Okay. Can we break down that sentence? Yes. What is a prototype? A prototype is a pre-release, not ready for the public yet version of something that's like to show it. A prototype.

And what was the sentence? A prototype? Okay. A unit was present at the Vivo booth to showcase the design while the prototype is anticipated to launch in mid-2025. The prototype is anticipated mid-2025. Maybe. Allegedly. So by mid-2025, we will have maybe a prototype. Announcement.

Prototypes don't always come out either. They usually don't end up looking like the prototype. That said, this doesn't seem too far-fetched though. Vivo loves to do stuff like this. Yeah, and if Google is really going to be pushing Android XR and like Wuhan and everything, you would want to have something ready to go for when they announce that. Yeah, that's for sure. It makes sense. It does make sense. I blame...

this prototype stuff on the video game industry because they just started pushing alpha releases of games realize they can make money and never have to update them and now everyone else is like why don't we just release stuff that's broken and blame it on the people paying for it I found the press release so it is definitely real it's definitely okay vivo and it is definitely a prototype this is like there are more articles up right now than when I wrote this this morning so it seems like it's more before

That's wild. Dang. Yeah, it looks nice. It does look cool. It does look cool. I mean, I'm not excited that it has the same band that the Vision Pro didn't work very well. That was a really grammatically correct sentence. We'll see. But maybe this one's a lot lighter, you know? We'll see if they're able to innovate and do something Apple wasn't with this band. Yeah. TBD. TBD. I don't think the hardware was the problem.

I don't know. I think it was kind of the problem. With the Apple Vision Pro? It was a combination. Well, yeah, but if there was an amazing experience, people would just use it. The wait was huge. But also there was no content. And the price tag was also expensive. Alright, well we've got to talk about some more Apple stuff after the break, but before we take a break, we should take a trivia break.

Did you guys do trivia? You did trivia last week, huh? Yeah, and neither of them got it right. Oh, good. You could have called me. So you didn't miss anything. We were debating it, but I was going to if they had gotten it. I was only five hours ahead. I don't even remember what it was. Honestly. It was really hard. What does LEAF stand for? Yeah, the Nissan LEAF. What does LEAF stand for? It was a backronym. Oh, no. Which I argue makes it more embarrassing because it's so stupid. Why would you make it a backronym?

Only make a backronym if it's super creative and good. Don't just do it. Love, electric, and vision. So yeah, zero points for David. Zero points for David. Well, we all thought E was electric. It wasn't. It was environmentally friendly. Yes, that's one word. What about the A? The A is affordable. What is the L?

The L is leading. Why are you asking this all out of order? Leading, environmentally friendly. Leading, environmentally friendly, affordable family car. This is like... Do you know when they make memes of acronyms where one of the letters is multi... Like, I need CPR, crab, rangoons, right in my mouth or whatever. And like...

This is what that is. Environmentally friendly. You guys could have gotten a point if you had gotten any of those correct. Really? It wasn't like you had to get the whole thing. You just needed one of the words. So L is leading? Leading. Didn't I say that? No. I said love. Either way, that was last week's. It's kind of like how the RF and GFX 100 RF

Like, it stands for rangefinder style fixed lens, which also almost sounds like a backer name. In my video, I literally said it is a rangefinder style fixed lens. And everyone's like, it's not a rangefinder. And I was like, rangefinder style. I know. We need to get rid of hyphens. That is literally what it stands for. Damn. All right. First question. Yeah. We spoke about the PS1 earlier.

Oh, boy. I don't know. Fun fact, it was released in the United States September of 1995. So question for you, which of these games was not available on the PS1? Can I just... Breath of the Wild. Before we get to there, GTA 6. Dota 2. Wait, are you saying PS1 like he's talking about in there, which is the modified version after the original PlayStation? No, no, the original PlayStation, the PS1. Yeah.

Okay. A, Gran Turismo. B, Crash Bandicoot. C, Final Fantasy. D, Call of Duty World at War. Or E, all of these were available on the PS1. No way. This is before my time, so I'm...

Full stab in the dark for me. I'm not going to know the answer, but we'll see. It was not before your time. You were alive. When did you say? 95. 95, so I was two years old. Yeah. You were a real gamer. I wasn't 17 yet. Look, I was five months old and I knew about these games. Okay. All right, I take it back. Well, I'm going to be guessing, but answers will be at the end, like usual. Crash Bandicoot. We'll be right back.

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It's going to be great. That's coming up? Yep, it's coming up. Should we start this with that hot take? Sure. It's not even a track card, man. We're already back. Yeah, okay. All right, get ready to format this card. We're back. And I just said I have a hot take that's going to burn this whole podcast down. And you know where this comes from? So here's the announcement that this is around. Every hot take with a backstory is crazy. I know it.

No, I believe this, though. Every... I fully believe this. I fully stand by this with all of my heart. There's a lot of buildup. The announcement is AirPods Max get lossless audio. And the subtext of the announcement is only the USB Type-C AirPods Max get it while the cable is attached. Yeah. And so obviously, okay, so the Lightning one doesn't support it. Most of the AirPods Max out there are the Lightning one. But okay, these $500 headphones finally got lossless audio.

Oh, boy. Updated my LinkedIn profile. My hot take is none of you people can tell the difference between lossless audio and regular compressed audio. Zero of you. And I know you think you can, but you can't. You can only tell it because of confirmation bias. But if you listen back to back, you might maybe get it right. But if you don't label them and you do a blind test, you'll get it wrong every single time. There is no...

I'll stop there. I'll stop there. We physically tested this with the Walkman video on the studio. Ellis did like a test and brought all of us in to see if we could tell the difference between them. I think I got seven out of eight right. Well, there are more differences than just the amount of information. There were other dynamic range differences, et cetera. But if you just take lossless versus compressed,

No difference to people. So you're saying that they are trying to take the people who believe that there's a difference and sell them the new headphone. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's great marketing strategy. And it's great. Look, lots of expensive headphones support lossless audio and AirPods Max are fairly late to this. And it's like, okay, great. You can do it now. You require the cable. That's not a surprise. Okay. Now you have lossless audio.

you've caught up to the other $500 headphones out there, but I don't care. If somehow audio listeners haven't figured out Ellis isn't in the studio from jumping in on that one, it should be there. Yeah, Ellis would probably have thoughts. We can probably play back the clip of the episode where they announced the AirPods Max with USB-C and we thought it was going to be AirPods Max 2 and we were like,

That's it? They just put a USB-C cable and gave it some new colors? Slightly new colors. There are a couple other small features that are coming with this. Personalized spatial audio and

They're in ultra low latency with the cable attached. So gaming now, they say gamers and live streamers can benefit from ultra low latency audio, which lowers lag time and is on par with native built-in speakers on Mac, iPad, and iPhone. That one's nice. I do notice the ultra low latency stuff.

Because I've noticed differences in latency between different types of headphones. And I think Razer did this thing with their gaming headphones not that long ago, this ultra low latency mode. And it was like, okay, this, you know how you watch a YouTube video with Bluetooth headphones on and the person's mouth is moving slightly different from the audio in your headphones? Yeah. That's actually noticeable and annoying. So you can imagine while gaming, you want that audio to line up exactly with what you're doing. Yes, this is very useful. I support ultra low latency. I agree with everything you said. Yeah.

- Except. - Except I'm pretty sure this article means it only works when it's plugged in. - Yes, correct. - With the wire. - Only the cable. - Well, yeah, so. - So I'm not impressed. - I'm not impressed. I'm just saying it's a useful feature. - All headphones are ultra low latency when they're plugged in. - I'm not crazy. - Bluetooth is the only thing that causes drag. - That's true. Yes, that's true. - I'm so confused. - So you're just spinning the fact that it's plugged in. - I feel like I have to be missing something here. - I guess my only take is that there is a noticeable difference between ultra low latency and wireless.

So I'm like, okay, it supports it. Great. My take that I can see the comments already are that the difference between 24-bit, 48 kilohertz lossless audio and whatever codec, whatever bit rate it was doing over Bluetooth before will be imperceptible to 99.9% of people. And that last 0.1% is kind of guessing. Yeah.

Damn. Wow. Mic drop. Well, don't you worry. There's another big announcement. Okay. I just can't afford this. If you're a gamer, you cannot afford this. I'm sorry. You also now can buy a USB-C to 3.5 millimeter audio cable for the low, low price of...

My ring makes that really bad drum solo. $39. Yep. That gets you, the DAC is in the cable, I believe. What? And you can plug it straight into, because what are you plugging into? There's an additional DAC? I think you might need it, because if you're plugging into something with a headphone jack, this isn't a modern smartphone anymore. This is like some MP3 player or some other thing.

And you're going to plug it straight into the AirPods Max, so you're going to probably need some support from the cable. To drive them? Well, I do also want to make the difference here is there already is a USB-C to 3.5 millimeter adapter. This is the cable to plug directly into your headphones. The adapter is probably totally passive. Yeah. Was there already a lightning, male lightning to male 3.5? I don't know.

I bought one on Amazon a while ago for cheap and it was not very good. I don't think Apple sold one. If they did, it probably cost a lot more. Yeah, I have not used it. I know they had a Lightning 2 female 3.5 because they originally sold that with the iPhone X. I immediately get lost in Apple dongles. It's so hard to keep track of all the different ones. Yeah.

Okay, well big news for those people mm-hmm USB-C airpods max people the people that care Congratulations moving on there is also a rumor going around that the iPhone 17 Pro is going to have 8k video recording Yeah

I have a hot take. Most of you who think you can see 8K video footage can't actually tell the difference. I would take you up on that. I definitely can watch a 4K video and then switch to 8K and be like, wow, this looks way better. What are you watching it on? 6K Pro Display XDR. 6K display. If I watch a 4K video and then an 8K video, even though it's not an 8K display, I can see a difference. Also, the thing about... I can't.

- I wish I could. - It depends on the video. Depends on the video. 'Cause the thing is, YouTube had this bug recently where, and I don't know if you saw this, if you started watching a video,

And you had a great Wi-Fi connection. It would still play at ultra low quality. Right. And this went on for a couple of days. And I was very annoyed by this because every video I watch on my iPad, I immediately select the highest possible bit rate and resolution. Yeah. So it was going to default to these lower resolutions. And every single time I would switch it. And I started noticing more and more videos that have 1080p and 1080p high bit rate. Yeah. Some of them, just for...

and giggles, I would check it out and I would notice a tiny difference with the high bit rate, but it would depend on the video and how much movement and motion there is and how much

is happening in the video. So some of those I would be able to tell, some of those I wouldn't, but I can definitely tell a difference between like 1080 and 1440 in 4K. Yeah. And then if there's an 8K video, I'm probably getting a big display to notice the difference, but... And how close you are to the screen. Yeah. And the thing about 8K videos is they're typically shot on sensors and cameras that look better than 4K cameras. So it's not just

pure resolution difference like if i were to take a 8k video from the red and downsize it to 4k it's still going to look really really good and that's going to be hard to tell the difference but a 4k video from my rx 100 versus an 8k video from my red it's like okay i can tell which one the 8k one is because it looks better in so many other ways what about an 8k from a galaxy s24 ultra that's what i'm curious so right now 8k videos from smartphones the couple that support it

The way it kind of ends up going is it's only from the main sensor because that's the only one with the high enough resolution and fast enough processing and fast enough scanning of the sensor. And then it ends up looking like this super, super crisp over sharpened video from top to bottom. And so it kind of fools you into thinking, wow, this is much better because I have all this detail and like someone's hair will like wisp off in the sun and you can see like every little thing and it looks sharper and better, but it's not.

actually more usable in terms of like resolution or just looking like better footage. I would get more from a larger sensor and a shallower depth of field than I would from going to 8K. Yeah.

That being said, I've wanted 8K from lots of smartphone cameras. I think the iPhone is a prime camera to support 8K. I've shot lots of video on iPhones. You watch the Autofocus channel. You've seen a lot of it. I would love to see what 8K from those sensors would look like. But we haven't seen it yet. So maybe this next generation we will. Would you use it?

I think so. So the thing about 8K also is it's four times 4K resolution. So it's going to be a ton of storage. And you already know what it looks like to shoot 4K HDR ProRes. Log. Log. Those are big files. They're so big. You need an external hard drive. So big. I'm thinking 8K is going to require at least a terabyte iPhone or something crazy because they're not going to unlock that for 250, 60 iPhones. Yeah.

And it's going to probably, I don't know if it'll require external storage, but it will be strongly suggested. My guess is they're not even going to allow you to shoot 8K ProRes. Like 8K will be an option, but ProRes is going to be limited to 4K. Yeah, it's H.265 because H.264 is limited to 4K, right? So H.265 is 8K. Yeah. And that'll be...

That's the only way to support. But I just don't think that Apple even let you because they're just going to be like this eight zip way too much storage. So they're going to compress 8K. So is the compressed 8K going to look better than the ProRes 4K? It's the same thing. It's like it's like the 8K on the smartphone looks kind of worse than just the regular 4K because it's so much sharpening, so much. What was that?

So much sharpening, so much noise reduction that it just ends up looking like over sharpened and plasticky. Yeah. But it would just be better to shoot 4K. What if they want it taking up more storage so you can buy more iCloud? Conspiracy. Yeah. I mean, they didn't allow ProRes log unless you had the...

256 gig model? I think you needed more. I think you might have needed the terabyte. No, I think it was... I think it was just there wasn't the base model. I think the base model didn't allow it. Oh, right, right, right. I think it was just the base model didn't allow it. So I could see if they did that. I just, I don't think they're going to allow 8K in ProRes log at all. Yeah, those would be crazy big files. Yeah. I bet if this does come out on 17 Pro, they announce it

at the event and it comes out three months later. Yeah, I could see that. I could definitely. That's actually a really good prediction. I think that's exactly what they would do. Pretty solid. Wow. Yeah.

Especially because the day one videos of people being like, I shot 10 minutes of 8K video and now my phone is full. They were just, just delay those headlines by a couple weeks while people buy the phones and then turn it on. Damn, that's a good, that's a good one, Andrew. I like how the smallest note in this outline turned into one joke and possibly the longest conversation I think we've had so far. I'm just,

I can see the comment section burning up already from my last two takes from AirPods Max and now AK Video on phones, but I stand by them. Other small rumor is that Mark Gurman is saying that they possibly may be producing the foldable iPhone as early as 2026, selling it as early as 2026. Next year. We also had an analyst saying that the device has entered a new production phase and mass production could be slated for the second half of next year.

So it's going to beat the the robo taxi. Everything will be interesting. OK, I've been burned before. So but Mark Gurman does think that it's a foldable style flip phone and not a flip style folding phone. There's too many names for this folding thing. It's confusing because when you fold and flip are next to each other, it makes perfect sense. But when you only say folds, yeah, it's like pants and shorts, shorts or shorts. But I think.

Right. But that's a hotter take. Go on. I'm not getting into that argument. He also says there will be less of a crease, which matches with an earlier report from ET News. Less of a crease than existing folds and flips. And Apple has decided to eliminate crease at all costs. Yeah. So that's something ET News reported like a month ago saying that like

Apple is willing to like not have a crease on this. Like that's a main factor. That's an interesting tidbit. I mean, I recently did the video on the Oppo Find N5 talking about this peak foldable where they've done so much. It's super thin. It has a large battery. The hinge is really nice and there's almost no crease. And I wonder like as Apple watches all of these foldables coming out, what they're thinking is like, all right, what we've got to do to make it like okay for us to ship a foldable. Yeah.

And to land on the crease being the tough thing and not the aspect ratio or the bezels or the under display selfie camera or anything else. The crease. Gotta have no crease. That's an interesting...

Yeah. I guess that's Apple kind of admitting or at least saying that the industry has figured out the form factors by now because that's usually what they do. They let the experimental stuff cook for like a few years and then they take, okay, what are the key problems with these things that people are testing out? Let's iron that out and then release something. Iron it out. Get the crease out. That's right. Iron the crease out. That's right, baby. And they're basically saying,

Nice. They're basically saying that a foldable hot dog style foldable is the style that is correct. I don't know if I agree with that. I think that, you know, the new Huawei one is kind of hot. I always pictured Apple doing flip style. I just thought it made more sense. That's a literal iPhone that like flips. Folds in half. And that's the one that I see all over the place. And iPhone people are like, woo.

Yeah, my question becomes, though, do we see them all over the place because they're still half the price of Folds? 100%. I think so. Yeah. But that's also, like, there are also Folds out there, but none of my iPhone people in my life care about them. It's like a joke. Like, why would you want that? Yeah. But they see the flips and they're like,

Oh, that is cool. And is that independent of price, you think? Well, they don't know the pricing when they're just looking at it. Right, yeah. Because I think when I imagine which one to tackle first is the best idea, I think there are more flips in the world, but I think that's also because of the price. So I don't know if that's a good indicator for which one's a better idea. But also for Apple positioning, you know they want to go premium, and I think with the flips, it's just, oh, the iPhone, but it folds in half.

Well, what does that offer me? I guess it's cool that it folds in half and it's smaller, but they can tell a way more dramatic premium story with this tablet in your pocket thing. And I think if this is going to be a $2,000 plus phone, they would like to have some big...

You know heavy-hitting thing to start the category the other interesting thing becomes iOS and iPad OS are different and work differently and so does Apple merge them and just make them because like Android basically took Android and then they had a foldable version of Android and they eventually just merged them into one

version where all Android phones can now just dynamically expand and do the like plug into a computer and all these things. Yeah. Apple is going to have to go through that process. And it took Google like three years to figure that out. Yeah. So are they just going to like knock it out of the park day one or are they going to have some flubs? I think they they kill the iPad mini. No. Unfortunately. Please no. And this is the new iPad mini? And then this is the new iPad mini. And then they make a commercial where they're like hey what's that iPad? And the person's like what's an iPad? What's an iPad?

That'd be awesome deep cut it should be around $2,000 or two thousand to twenty five hundred dollars So that is a fairly yes It is but it was is also the same price that the folds have been for like a very long time Yeah, or at least were when they launched I'm not sure if that would like a little cheaper now get a new round of people buying iPhones I think a flip would be way more compelling to people I

because you also don't have to tell developers okay now there's a new screen size you have to figure out well there is the the front-facing screen if they had if they had a screen on the front yeah oh that's true it's that or the big landscape thing yeah what it may be maybe it's ios when it's closed when you open it it's ipad os and it's got an m chip and it and it's wait now i want it yeah

Yeah. So, you know, more rumor mill stuff. I think we've been reporting on this for a year. Oh, yeah.

We just need to talk about it enough to maybe put it in the thumbnail. There's a long way away, but it is interesting to imagine. We have some facts to throw at you that are different from rumors. Okay. WWDC, also called DubDub, someone in the comment section said, stop calling it that, and to you I say, no. That's what it's called, though. It's an acronym. I've listened to your concerns, and I've chosen to ignore them. Okay.

You sound a lot like Tim Cook right now. Also, WWDC. Oh my goodness. That takes forever to say. I'm just going to say Worldwide Developer Conference every single time. It hurts me. So when is the Worldwide Developer Conference this year? June 9th.

Oh, Worldwide Developer Conference 2025. Yeah, the Worldwide Developer Conference 2025 is taking place at Apple headquarters in Cupertino, California at one infinite loop. It's typically in June, the Worldwide Developer Conference. Yeah, the Worldwide Developer Conference starts on June 9th, but the Worldwide Developer Conference is actually going to be accessible to every developer online, fully available online between June 9th and June 20th.

What are we expecting to see at this Worldwide Developer Conference? Well, glad you asked, Adam. At the Worldwide Developer Conference. I'm sorry. We're done. Dub dub! That person regrets that comment. I wasn't done. I'm honestly surprised none of us tripped. I'm very surprised. That's why I didn't participate. Because I knew I would have.

Yeah, so taking place June 9th. It is going to be available to developers entirely online, which is exciting It is a Monday this year, which is a little bit different. Usually they go on Tuesdays So yeah, the like initial day first keynote and stuff. Yeah. Yeah So for us, I mean unless we're like doing a podcast there then we can just do our normal podcast I guess amazing which is cool if that's even happening although yeah, who knows we will have to wait like four days for people to hear our thoughts on On the thing that's happening on Monday

But in other news, the European Union has officially put into effect the consequences of its Digital Markets Act.

It's going to force Apple allegedly to change iOS in nine key way or seven key ways nine key ways Thank you. It's I wrote this this morning. Thank you is um now obviously Apple can still appeal this and they almost definitely will because the ways that the European Union has told Apple to change iOS are all ways in which they keep people in their ecosystem and

So surprisingly, all of these changes are things that you have to be very tech savvy and understand why these features kind of keep people in the ecosystem to do. So I'm just going to go down the list here. Number one is better access to iOS notifications, which would allow third-party smartwatches to show notifications and allow people to interact with them similar to how the Apple Watch can. You also must allow custom actions

You also must allow custom actions from third-party developers and ensure that the actions are triggered on the iOS device. So like quick replies? Yeah, quick replies or opening apps on your phone when you click on the watch, that kind of stuff. This would fix a lot of the Garmin problem that we have. Big dub. Big dub. I mean, big win. Big win. Oh, sorry. Win-win developer conference.

Can we just, when you say these, can we say if this is a- A dub? Yeah. A W? Mm-hmm. A world? Okay, number two. World's in the chat.

High bandwidth peer-to-peer Wi-Fi connections. I believe this means that MacBooks are going to be able to see your phone's network and connect to it very easily regardless of it's an iPhone. Because right now, as long as your phone is around your Mac and is connected to the same Apple ID, you can just click the Wi-Fi button and click connect to your phone. Super useful. Yes. Also, when Chromebooks did that, that was useful. They still do it. Yeah. Chromebooks and Pixels. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So that would be really nice. The question then becomes to me, if there are tons of phones everywhere, is your laptop just going to show a zillion different networks? I feel like that could be frustrating. Because the way that they do it now is they check to see if you're on the same Apple ID and then it shows it. But part of this European Union thing is the discovery aspect of that network needs to be opened. So that's pretty interesting. But they specifically say high bandwidth peer-to-peer.

And that makes me wonder if there is some underlying protocol where the iPhone giving access to internet to the MacBook is faster with its bandwidth or something than like an Android phone that is casting internet to the MacBook. I'm not totally sure.

Number three, proximity triggered pairing needs to be opened up. So obviously when you have a pair of AirPods or something and you hold it near the iPhone, it'll show that little pop-up window on the iPhone that's like, pair your, yeah. Google has fast pair, but only for Android phones.

And so basically, I think they're just trying to make it so that all earbuds have the same capabilities. So that would be nice. Yeah. Is that a dub? I think that's a dub. I'm also wondering if pairing AirPods to an Android phone would have to do it the other way around. Yeah, specifically, they're going after Apple here. I imagine... Well, that's still Apple. Is that... Oh, I guess it's who's allowing that connection on an Android phone. Yeah. Google would still have to allow...

Because they're different protocols right now. Like Google has the official fast pair protocol, you know? Yeah. They use like a Qualcomm thing. Okay, yeah. And then I wonder like is the EU going to make Google open it up? That is a great question. Yeah. That is a great question. Number four, background execution. Apple needs to provide third parties with the ability to work in the background and fetch data.

Uh, this is also something that completely nukes third party smartwatches because a lot of the tasks and stuff cannot run in the background. Eric Mijakovsky, who just relaunched pebble specifically said why Apple won't let us make a good pebble app. He wrote a whole blog post about it. And a lot of that has to do with the ability to fetch information from the phone actively while it's running in the background. Gotcha. WW. Yeah.

Close range wireless file transfer. Other platforms must be able to send and receive data via an equally powerful method as AirDrop when connected to an Apple device and have access to the same protocols AirDrop uses to operate such as discovery, Wi-Fi transfer, and more.

enormous dub yeah love it massive love to see it it would make working in this office so much easier my phone yeah you know and i don't feel bad for them having to open this up because for so long you could just let me plug my fucking phone into my computer and access the files to it yeah but you don't so here we go i'm slack messaging myself photos yeah i mean airdrop is definitely they basically what they did was they went

on to Apple devices and they were like, what are all the things that only work among Apple devices and make it so you have to buy another Apple device for this feature to work well? And they are basically just saying you have to open all this stuff up, which is amazing. I think the AirDrop is kind of the secondary reason that people stay on iPhones when they have a Mac next to iMessage. So that's a very big thing.

Automatic Wi-Fi connection on third-party devices so for example if you connect to a Wi-Fi network on your iPhone and then you open your MacBook it's all automatically connected to the same Wi-Fi network and

That's very helpful, and that would be nice. I'm not really sure how they're going to do that. I'm guessing it means with like – because some smartwatches can connect to Wi-Fi, which allows them to pull notifications and stuff to the internet, so it doesn't have to be connected via Bluetooth to your phone. It might be that. I would love to see that based on other computers as well, but I just don't really see how that would happen.

But who knows? Casting solution is equal to AirPlay. So Apple has to give third parties the ability to cast with the same tech AirPlay has access to, and it must be available in the control center picker and offer it via the standard media playback APIs without the developer needing to integrate an SDK. So that's cool. Am I the only one that's not a fan of all of this? What do you mean, not a fan? Like that they're forcing Apple to do this. Yeah, I...

It's basically the result is good. Yeah. But it's weird. The way it's happening is a slippery slope. Like if they can just come in and go, all right, I know you built these technologies, but now here is what you have to do with them. Like, you know where all of these technologies exist on Android phones? Like if it's really that serious, you know, you could just leave. But you can't. Then that's the whole problem.

I think that's the whole reason they're doing this is because you can't leave. Like you have to buy AirPods if you want to have the device switching and all that kind of stuff, you know? Yeah. You have to leave universally. You have to leave iPhone. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Which is very hard for people to do.

Ironically in Europe, it's not. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. This is in the EU. It's harder here, but it is harder here. I think it's that difficult in the EU. Yeah, so I don't know. We got two more. Automatic audio switching. So third-party headphones must have the ability to automatically switch between your phone and your laptop.

Right now there is, what is the term for it? Multi-device. Multi-point. Multi-point where you can be connected to both at the same time. So I don't see this as that big of a deal because it's from the headphones perspective and not, you know, the devices perspective. But apparently they have to open that up to other headphones. And also they must be allowed to use the same high bandwidth connection that AirPods use, I guess for lower latency or something like that.

And then number nine, Apple has to open the NFC chip to read write so that you can not only have to use it with Apple Pay. Oh. Yeah. Because they... I love all these. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not a fan. This is great.

I think all of these are things where like if you either have an iPhone, you should be able to have other things that aren't Apple products. Yeah, exactly. I think that's super reasonable. Yes. The results are super reasonable. Yes. It's just, is this the way to accomplish those results? I mean, Apple's not going to do it by themselves. Yeah, right. Consumers should. The question, well, but the question always becomes like,

Have you created a space where it's hard for consumers to pick other options and therefore they have to buy the Apple option, which further locks them into the Apple ecosystem? They can't get out. So other players like can't even compete. I'm trying to imagine a less competitive version of the same thing where this would never happen. Like I designed like what did we what was that random car that had like luggage? The BMW iX. Mm hmm.

BMW made bespoke luggage that fits perfectly in the trunk of the BMW iX. So it maximizes the trunk space. So if you want to fill the trunk space with luggage, you have to buy that luggage. Otherwise, you're just going to buy some random cheap other third-party luggage and it might not fit or it might only take up half the space. Now the EU comes in and says, BMW, you are required to allow others to design luggage with your exact specifications. Yeah, but that's not illegal right now.

Well, it's not illegal. Well, like, it's not illegal. You can still design luggage. Yeah, I feel like the difference would be it's like if someone designed the luggage that did fit in there and then BMW had a way of being like,

No, that doesn't work. Or the trunk won't close if you put different luggage in it or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's better. Yeah, like if you are allowed to design with the exact dimensions, but if they detect it's not BMWs, then it doesn't work or something. Or like, yeah, they should, the EU should be able to say, you can't do that. I'm also going to go out and say that I am sure the way the EU is doing it isn't perfect because there's a lot of issues in every government everywhere, but like,

I think like it seems crazy that I know lots of people with iPhones that would rather have a Garmin watch just because there are a lot of benefits to it, even versus an Apple Watch Ultra and not being able to do a bunch of the things and just straight up losing features in that. Yeah. Seems like super ticky tacky and things that like I don't think any of these are super unreasonable asks that would really make people like not want their iPhone anymore. It just lets people with an iPhone have some more opportunities. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. There does become a question of like, how do you differentiate? How does Apple differentiate its products to make people want to buy them? Like, do they just have to make the audio quality better? Do they just have to which, to be fair, is what every other brand has to do.

And there does become a problem when the platform developer becomes the person that is selling accessories for the platform because they can always prefer their accessories. And so it's hard for competition to compete.

When there is a platform developer that also creates the. It's like an Amazon basics, like knocks off products and puts their listing above other stuff. Yeah. Right. We're Amazon. We built the search engine. Right. Put what we want there. You search Fanny Pack or like small camera bag and it comes up with the peak design knockoff that Amazon themselves made. Like that is anti-competitive. Yeah. So. Yeah. The solution is also you just leave the iPhone.

It's really hard to leave the iPhone. I do it like three times a year. It's not that hard. Well, yeah. I mean, you build different. We have no discipline out here. I would say like AirDrop is probably the one thing that keeps me using the iPhone right now because...

Now that RCS exists and I'm getting these RCS chats from people and I'm RCS chatting with people, I'm like, I really don't have qualms not using iMessage anymore. But I do use AirDrop constantly and it is really, really hard to move files from an Android phone to a MacBook. May I interest you in an app called LocalSend, which does that?

How fast does it do it? It's the same as AirDrop. It's just you have to download the app. Also send from the MacBook to the phone. Yeah. Do you need an app on the MacBook? Yep. Yeah. That's the thing. It's like this is built into the OS, but there are other options. You just have to download the options. Yeah, there are other options.

I would like to end this segment with a tech support question because I know that this has worked in the past where somebody has an issue and then they put it out into the world and then other people with the same issue will find them. I have a tech support issue. It's RCS related.

Okay. So this phone has RCS on it. Which phone is this? This is the Galaxy S25 Ultra, and I have AT&T. And I use Google Messages, so it should work perfectly with RCS. And RCS Chats is turned on and connected on this phone. Okay. When I send a message to someone with RCS, it...

starts to try to send for a while and then it says it's pending it'll send when the recipient is online and then a couple minutes later it goes the recipient was never online so i sent an sms instead does the recipient have an iphone or an android both this has happened with both what is their uh carrier so andrew what's your carrier i'm t-mobile you're t-mobile so it says rcs chat with andrew t-mobile test send

It says, I'm going to try to send an RCS and it will stay there. And you haven't gotten a text yet, right? No. I hit send. I am in airplane mode. So maybe that's. So when I hit this, it says message delivers when Andrew is online, but it never gets there and it just stays. And the person will not get my text until it auto backs up to SMS or I just hit switch to SMS and then it sends you an SMS. So this you will not get this text.

I have a dumb question. Have you tried turning it off and on again? Yes, I have tried turning it off and on again. I have tried disabling it on one phone and then enabling it on a different phone. I think my issue is I have switched phones so many times and then when I switch phones, I don't turn RCS off on one phone and then turn it on on the other phone. And I think that might be messing with it because as of this particular phone,

I have like two RCS chats that are working and the rest all don't work and they're backing all of them to SMS. And Andrew, you will not get that test. Yeah, and I just got other text messages. Yeah, so you're not going to get it until, wait, see this? Switch to SMS. You're going to get it in like two seconds now.

Because it's just a regular SMS. There you go. Can you try it with me? It's funny because it still says RCS chat with Andrew. Yeah, and it still thinks it's an RCS chat. Wait, it says you're typing right now? Yeah. Which is probably the other one. Yeah, but it will never go through. Marques, I think you're onto something though because this is like a known thing when you leave iMessage where your number's kind of tied up on the online service or whatever. Yeah.

And because you're switching between Android phones that also now have this RCS enabled, that would be my guess. I think the Jibed servers are like being pulled from one phone that isn't this phone. And so some other phone somewhere is logged in as RCS for me. Somewhere, it's probably right in the closet. Well, the thing is, if I go boot up those other phones, they all say they're signed out.

So even though this is the only one that says it's signed in, I think other phones are still getting these messages. Yeah, that sounds about right. Can you go into your Google account and sign out other accounts? Not with RCS, I don't think. You can go... Yeah. You can sign out of your Google account. There was a bug when I was testing the Pixel 9 where I was trying to get RCS to work and it was not working and it was because I had not...

turned RCS off on an old phone or something. And then it wouldn't re-register it on the new device. I think that's where I'm at right now. So if anyone else is watching this video and has had the same issue and found a fix to it, please let me know. I will be trolling through the comments, digging between all of your hot takes about...

Wired audio. You want an answer, but you already set everyone off on something else. Protocols. That seems super niche because you switch phones so much, but if that does occur to someone making a change and their old phone is broken or whatever and they can't go back, that's like a significant.

It's been like a month of me not being able to chat with people in RCS on this phone. So every time you send someone a message, you then have to go in and basically have to hit send twice. And then go switch to SMS, and now you're going to get my text. Marcus, have you heard of WhatsApp? What?

I've heard of it and I don't want to go down that road I just yeah so yeah we'll see if anyone hits me up in the comments we're gonna have to take one more quick break we do have crown and clown after we get back but before we get back let's do trivia trivia all right so what is wrong with Marquez's phone

That's the question. No, I'm joking. When was airdrop announced? You will get one point for the year, two points for the month and the year. Oh, yeah. Three points for the day. Three points for the day. Sure. Why not? Let's do it. Four points for the announcer. Five points for the hour. Actually, I will give you four points if you could guess the announcer. Six points. Shaq. Six points. Six points if you could tell me what they ate for lunch before they announced it. All right. We'll think about it.

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Welcome back and now because it is the last episode of the month we are going to do crown and clown which means that we are going to go around and say what we think is the best thing that happened this month aka the crown and what is the worst thing that happened this month aka the clown. The trick is we all need to agree on what the crown and the clown is so we have to convince each other of what it is. Yes and we're going to attempt to be more organized this month. Attempt.

Attempt. And attempt was made. Let's just say that. Yes. So we're trying to be persuasive here. Yes. Yeah. Let's do crowns first. Yeah. Make your case. Who wants to go first? I will. Okay. This is

This is for Crown. Okay, Crown. Yeah. I think that my crown is that we did our first live waveform show this month. Oh. We did. We sure did. Damn, that's really hard to go against that one. It was a good time. Damn it, David. That's a good one. That is funny because my crown comes from that, but I do want to appreciate that it went really well.

Sorry. That was an alarm. Yeah. David, wake up. I just wake up. The whole thing was a dream. Again?

- Welcome to the podcast. - What? - What? - No, that is a good one. So my crown comes from that. It's not exactly that, but I do wanna appreciate that we did do that. It went really well. It was a good time. It gave me ideas about other ways that we could do that in the future, which is exciting. If we decide to go that route at some point, could be fun. Shout out to everyone who was there. Shout out to the questions. We did publish that as well. You guys listen to that. I think that's pretty cool. - Yeah.

So what is yours? You should do it because. Okay, sure. My crown, I keep having to think and make sure I say the right word, is Gemini Live with access to your camera launching in the last month. Oh, yeah.

I have been using this a lot more than I thought I would. So Gemini Live is a conversational Gemini where you pull up that like full screen thing, whatever it has access to your screen, and then you can give it access to your camera. You open up the camera and you can just ask it about your surroundings and point it at stuff and ask it about what it's pointed at. It has not missed once. Do it to us right now. Yeah, ask it about us. All right, let's do it. We're supposed to be looking at the camera. So what do you see here?

It looks like you're in a podcast studio. Are you getting ready to record a new episode? Yeah, I'm about to record this episode with these two people here. Is there anything you think I should ask them? That's awesome. Since you're podcasting with two people, you could explore the dynamic of their relationship. Ask them how they first met or what it's like working together. It often leads to interesting stories. Now, here's what's fun. I want you to tell me about these headphones he's wearing. What are these?

Those are Audio Technica ATH-M50X headphones. They're pretty popular in the audio world, known for their clear sound. It doesn't miss, dude. I've asked it about products. I've asked it about animals. Yeah, let's try it. That is crazy. What about my watch? What watch is this and is it any good?

I'm wondering because this is like the Phoenix basically stole from the epics line and wait you confused it yeah we asked it like one well it's not very good if it can't listen to people talk at the same time I know our audience loves when we talk over Gemini's just like I will not partake yeah all right let's try it all right so what is this watch and is any good

That's a Gorman Fenix 7. It's a really popular high-end GPS watch, known for its durability and tons of features. Do you have any specific activities in mind that you'd want to use it for? No, but cancel that. I actually want you to tell me about this watch. I think it looks way cooler. What is this? Ah, that's a Casio AE1200WHD1A. It's a digital watch with a retro vibe.

And yeah, it does look pretty cool. What? Are you thinking about getting one? This is modified. Mine is a Phoenix 9, by the way. That's crazy. With the screen off, I might look at it. This is like heavily modified to the point where you can barely tell that it's an AE-1200. That's crazy. Yeah. I've pointed it at animals. It's told me about the animal. I've pointed it at products that like don't have labels on them and it just knows what they are. I've been just asking it like how to do things around the house. It's

It's genuinely shocking how useful it is. I don't actually have that many things I need to do with it, but I just keep finding reasons to use it because it's that good. This is my crown for the month. I think people should try it if they have it on their phone. You do need a subscription. It's really good. Try it out.

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That is interesting. I'll do mine. I don't think it's as good as either of these, so I'm not doing a good job at convincing. But I do think it will be appreciated in here. Android 16 is going to let all Pixel phones use fingerprint unlock when the screen is off. And this will be going back to old Pixels as well.

Wait, why? Fingerprint? Because before you had to tap on the screen to wake it up. You had to wake the screen up before you could use the fingerprint unlock on your screen. That's specific. I remember one time you saying one of the things you really liked about the Samsung phones is that you can unlock them while the screen is off with your fingerprint. And that's because they use ultrasonic fingerprint readers that don't need to light up the screen to see your finger. On the ones with

optical fingerprint readers under the display, what they do is they light up a little area and then when you press that area, then it shines a bright white light just on your finger. And there are some phones that don't do that.

So just making them all do that is great. Is this when you don't have like always on display or something? Yeah. I think it's whether you have always on or not. I think a lot of these phones understand that people just want to unlock it right away. And so they'll have a little area indicator of where to press. But some of them don't have that area. So...

So you're saying Android 16 is going to make all of them that have an under-display fingerprint reader tell you where to press, and then when you press it, it'll unlock. Pixel phones currently require the screen to be on for the fingerprint scanner to function. Thankfully, this limitation will be addressed in the upcoming Android 16 update for Pixel, and that they tested in settings, security and privacy, device unlock, face and fingerprint unlock, fingerprint unlock. There's now a slider for screen off, fingerprint unlock. And they said it also did work on their...

6a and 7 pro they were using the beta wow okay which i've realized i didn't know was even a thing until i remember you mentioning it and i use it on my s24 all the time now yeah i was gonna say i didn't know that was a thing because mine just does that but i think it's because i have always on display on so it is like always your pixel does yeah the screen never actually turns off so there's always an area to like touch my finger and turn it on yeah

Okay. Yeah. Nice. That's a good, it's a good feature. It's a good feature. And it's good that they're adding it back and not pretending it can only happen in the newest phones. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Adam, do you have a crown? My crown was going to be, I had three, but I'm just going to pick one because I thought it was going to be pretty unanimous and none of you guys picked it. So I'm going to pick the top one. I'm going with the Pixel 9a that came out this month. Did it?

Did it? It was in April. It got moved to April. That's the thing about this. Oh, that's fair. All right, then I'll go through my backup. The Sigma BF. Oh, wow. The Sigma boyfriend. That thing is so... I still can't stop thinking about it. It's funny. Completely impractical, but so cool. The evolution of the coverage of this camera online has been so fun to watch because it started off as like,

what is Sigma doing? They made this really weird camera with no card slot and it's also all metal and doesn't look ergonomic. And then it shifted to, yeah, this is kind of what Apple would have done if they made a camera. It's really pretty and it is a Sigma camera and it's not that expensive. And then people got their hands on the camera and started shooting with it and using it because of all the attention. And suddenly it's like, okay, it doesn't have a viewfinder, but it is kind of fun to shoot with. And it does have a couple decently useful features. And suddenly it's like,

This is kind of a friendly, like, fun camera. And the pictures are good. And the pictures are solid. So it's like it went from being kind of novelty and a quirky, weird headline to suddenly an option for people to actually buy in the last couple months. Can't really use it outside when it's bright outside. Yeah. No viewfinder, no card slot. It still has weird quirks. Articulating screen. Yeah. Yeah. But it's so freaking fast. And also those...

The lenses are affordable. They're super affordable and feel insanely premium. And also affordable is still a few hundred dollars, but in the lens world, it's super affordable. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. What are we talking about here? So that's mine. That's pretty cool. If you said the silver version, I would agree with you, but you left it vague. The silver is also really hard to film.

especially outside it looks everything it looks so good i'm not i like personally i like looking at the silver one more i think it's beautiful but if i were to buy one i probably would just get the really same i'm not walking around with that giant silver block or hanging around oh i would only buy that if i wanted everyone to see that i had it so i would buy the silver one imagine you say that i think that's where i started when i was looking at this camera i was like oh there's a black one but you have to get the silver one that's the whole point of this camera now i'm like

If I was really going to shoot with this, I would get the- Yeah, if you were actually going to buy it. I would get the black one. Yeah. I get the silver. Silver. Team silver. You're both wrong. It's fine. Interesting. Okay. I think the image quality is so good. So our crown options are our first South by Southwest success live show. Gemini Live, looking through your camera. Android 16 fingerprint unlock. Fingerprint unlock. Fingerprint unlock toggle. And-

Thank you, David. And Sigma BF mirrorless camera. How about we do this? We know the winner is all voting for ourselves at South by Southwest. So let's pick the second winner. I agree with you. That's a good thing to do. That's why I was like, damn it, David. I would pick actually useful AI in your phone. I think that's got to be it. I would pick that too. Damn, I was going to stick with my Sigma BF, but I guess I'm outvoted. I think I'll go. I think the AI is the most useful and the most...

Reasonable for most of our listeners who is cool my heart wants to take this Sigma is pretty and I do I do your heart leads This is yeah the Sigma BF and the GFX 100 RF had like very option. Oh, yeah They had very intense conversations online and we don't get that intensive a conversation especially about a camera that often and

I think especially the BF had even more conversations. And who really convinced me about it was Viren at The Verge. Oh, yeah. He posted his videos and his pictures. I was like, oh, man. In the hands of someone who's capable, this thing was doing work. Yeah, his photos are awesome. I might actually switch to the BF.

Mon Marquez. Considering Adam voted for the AI. We've been getting the Gemini. It's been slowly being upgraded continuously for so long. Can I ask you a question? How often are you using it? And can you give me a few examples of how you're using it? Because that's always mine. Sure. I pointed it at a bird in my yard the other day, and I said, what is that? And it told me what kind of bird it was because it looked kind of weird. And I was like, what kind of bird is this? Did you fact check that?

I think I Googled that name of a bird later and it was right. That bird is uranium-53. I pointed it at a – okay, so it doesn't have to be pointed at one thing. I scanned the entire room of all the gym equipment and then asked me what can I do with this equipment. And it told me a bunch of different workouts with all the different things. What kind of smoothie can I make with this gym equipment?

Yeah, so like, you know, the demo when you have the glasses on and look at something and it tells you what to make from those ingredients. You can just point it at four or five things and then ask it the question and it will do it. Can it do multimodal on your screen? Like it can see what's on your screen? It can see what's on your screen. Can you open it right now and ask you why your RCS messages aren't going through? If it solves that, I think it's an automatic winner right now. There's zero chance. I don't know.

Also, is this the Sigma boyfriend or the Sigma Becca Versace? Let's try this. So you can see this screen with a text message conversation. The message is not delivering and I think it's an RCS issue. Can you tell me what the problem is?

Okay, I see what's going on. The message says, message delivers when David is online. And there's a button to switch to text, SMS slash MMS. That means you're trying to send a message using RCS, but David isn't online or doesn't have RCS enabled. If you switch to SMS slash MMS, it'll send as a regular text message.

So here's the thing. David does have RCS, and so do I. So there must be some other issue. Okay. Since you both have RCS, let's try a few things. First, make sure your mobile data or Wi-Fi is on, as RCS needs internet. If that doesn't work, try restarting your phone. I don't really want to restart my phone. I also have tried that before. Okay. I understand.

We're pretty far from AGI, my friends. I don't know. Now I'm in on the air. It tried. I can see that you have a problem.

I can see that. In its defense, none of us could figure it out. I understand why that might upset you. I've also pointed it at a YouTube video and it read the title of the video and told me what the video would be about so I didn't have to watch it. Was it about that? That's terrible. That's right. Yeah, but it's just... We're not going under. It's good at a lot of things. That's all I'm saying. How does it handle clickbait that's not about what the title is? Ew.

Because it knew the video. It didn't just look at the title. It knew the video. Whoa, really? Yeah. So there's just a lot of things. Matter of fact, I'll just pull up this drone deliveries video we just did and see if it can...

While you do that, there is someone on, I think, Twitter who's been replying to our auto posts about the video going live. And it ats a bot that does exactly this. And it'll take the video, summarize it in like a paragraph or two. So I've got it on my screen right now, right? People just don't want to enjoy it anymore. Tell me what this YouTube video is about. That's why I watch it 2x speed. That looks like Marques Brownlee's video about the truth of drone deliveries. Did you have any questions about it?

What was his conclusion? His conclusion was that while drone delivery is technically impressive, it's not as practical or widespread as some people think. He pointed out limitations like battery life, weather restrictions, and regulations that make it difficult to implement on a large scale. That's both right and wrong. Yeah. That's a good guess. Also, many people in our Indian audience have told us that drone delivery is actually quite popular in India, which is surprising. In all of India? Because India is huge.

- I would not know. - There are some countries that were coming to the top of the comments. Ghana's another one that was like, yeah, we do that a lot here. Yeah, anyway, if I can't sway you guys on that, I think I could switch to Sigma. - I think we might have to go Sigma BF. - All right. - It's the crown. - All right, Sigma BF crown. - Sigma, of course it's gonna take. - Now we'll do our clown of the month of March, 2025. Anyone wanna take first dibs, first takers?

Adam's going? Okay. Yeah.

So have you guys seen the Saratoga water guy? Yes. Dude, clown. Crown for sure. No. Crown. No. How is that a crown? Because he, I've never seen a post. You have to explain this. You have to explain this. I've never, yeah. What is it? First of all, what is the video? So it's like a video of a guy who's getting up at like three or four in the morning. No, I think it's like three in the morning or something like that. And he's going through his like epic morning routine. But,

There's always Saratoga water in the shot or he's using it for like dumping his face in it with ice or something like that. And he's drinking it. The stock rose like 17% just off of this guy going viral or something. Maybe the YouTubers do have an effect on the stocks.

This was one of those cringy daily routine videos that this guy, I want to find out what his name was. Ashton Hall. Ashton Hall. He does a bunch of these, and this is a whole genre online, but it's basically, picture the stereotypical guy who wakes up at 3.30, dumps his face in ice water, does a workout. Yeah.

takes some work calls, has a whole day done by noon, eats healthy food, does everything perfectly. And you're like, wow, okay, whoop-dee-doo. Meditates. This guy's doing this most unrealistic thing ever. To me, it's a crown clearly for two reasons. Okay. Convince me. One, this guy is self-aware and is playing into it and is successfully getting a lot of views. I have never seen...

a post on Twitter get 600 million views. What? Until this one. Are you sure that's real and not just like impressions? Well, I've never seen 600 million impressions on Twitter either. This says it's up to 742 million. I've never seen anything get that many. That's crazy. And two, because now everyone's talking about it and the company, which let's be honest is probably associated with him in some way, is getting a lot of free and- I don't know that-

know that he is. I don't think they are. I think it's just like I think he just picked a water that's like

It's a water that makes no sense to brush your teeth with and wash your face with. Because it's expensive water. For reference, this is super niche to know this and to be a Top Chef watcher. But for 20 seasons, Top Chef was sponsored by San Pellegrino, which is, I'm sure, a bottled water company you've heard of. The last two or three seasons, now their big sponsorship is Saratoga Spring Water, which is this. What this guy has done for Saratoga Spring is...

10x what Top Chef has ever done for this. And they're spending hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars. Agreed. And now everyone's parodying it too and they're buying the same water to do the parody videos. That is a huge crown as well. My thing is I know that now he's definitely aware of it and he's capitalizing on it. I'm thinking back to how this started. Did he do this intentionally or did he just have the water there while going through a real legit morning routine? I'll let you in on a little secret.

- Oh God, oh God. - Remember when I told you guys there's like tons of different genres on YouTube, like there's the Apple unboxing YouTube channel, there's the I Only Modify classic Porsches YouTube channel. There are also lots and lots of inspirational YouTubers who just do routine videos. This is my makeup routine, this is my morning routine. If you go on YouTube, you will find endless of these videos.

And as that got more and more popular, you got more and more extreme versions of it, the Huberman versions of this, where they're just like, I wake up at three o'clock in the morning and I write down my daily affirmations and I do an hour of yoga and then I do a cold plunge and then I eat my second breakfast. - Were you watching me this morning? - That's a real genre of YouTube is unrealistic daily routine videos.

This one happened to catch fire and go viral, but I will tell you now it is not unlike many hundreds of others that I unfortunately have seen. This guy found just the right combination of parody and self-awareness to be like, does this guy really think that this is realistic? Like, I think he nailed this video and that's how we got 700 million views in a week and why we're all talking about it. And I think everyone else in this genre on YouTube is like, damn, this guy got it.

I think there's a 50-50 of this. I think he does do a lot of inspirational stuff, but is going in on the meme. Because there's a part where he wipes his face down with a banana peel. Nobody does that and doesn't think this is going to go viral. I think he turned parts into parody for sure. And then he posted a picture of his shopping cart. It was just like Saratoga Spring Water and bananas.

It's like, you all know what this is for. Yeah. I think there was not one second that this guy wasn't thinking, how can I make this get a lot of views? Because he's made a lot of these in the past. So you think this was premeditated? I think so. And I think that is why it's more of a crown than a clown, in my opinion. We'll never know. But if that's the case, I'll agree. But I don't know. It seems like this trend needs to go away already.

That's where I'm at. It'll be gone by the time this episode comes out. It's going to be a meme for like three weeks probably. Anyway, what was your guys' clowns? Okay. There's two real big ones that I know will be said that are- You guys thinking that that video matters? Does someone want to go next? I have a clown. Okay. My clown is the Dodge Charger EV. Oh. It's a- I was thinking about that actually. We've talked about this. It's the electric car.

That makes lots of loud noises like a gas car, but isn't as fun. Yeah. That one. Yeah. Yeah, that's my clown. It's a pretty good one. Yeah. Only 240 miles of range. Do you want to go or do you want me to go? 86 grand for a charger. 86. Come on.

But it makes a fun noise. Need I go on? I think you should go because I'm still thinking. Okay. I think there's two pretty big stories and one of them is 23andMe going bankrupt and selling all of our DNA data to the highest bidder. Feels like a giant clown. Wait, did they sell already? Not yet. They did not sell yet. They haven't sold, but it's up for sale and that's... That's a problem. Feels... I should delete my account. Yeah, that feels super bad. I think there are some articles out there on how to like

Get as much as you can off of that as possible. But sending your DNA into one of those from the start didn't ever seem like a good idea. And now it kind of is really proving that. I agree with you, but CounterPoint, I was 18. And I thought that the tech industry was not going to become what it is. What was the old Google saying? Don't be evil. Don't be evil. I think my clown is that

I was not able to make it to the Atmosphere Conference this last weekend, which is the AT Protocol's first conference for Blue Sky. Leave it up to you to somehow turn this into David's. I was so on brand. Stuck in Prague. I couldn't make it to Seattle in time. You were willing to make yourself the clown.

Yeah. Yeah. I vote for that. Actually, I was the clown because I bought one of those insanely cheap tickets that you cannot change. And I only found out about the conference that I could go after I bought the tickets. And I would have had to pay $1,000 to get it. That is clown worthy. You hate to see it. Clowning myself. When you are flying United by any chance? Yeah. You reminded me of another clown. Yeah.

I guess we'll always take the opportunity to clown on a airline. There is a story. I don't know if you saw this on Twitter, apparently, and this was corroborated. There was a flight that took off from LA on the way to China, and then two hours into the flight, it turned around and flew back, diverted to San Francisco because the pilot forgot his passport.

And I just want to be a fly on the wall for the moment that he had to announce that to everyone because he flew for two hours. Everyone thought, all right, time to post up, relax, chill. And then the plane starts doing that like turnaround thing and starts going back. And I had to go,

Hey, everybody. Yeah, that must have been the worst in-flight announcement of all time. The thing, too, is that you can't say there's something. You can't cover it up and say there's something wrong because you're already over the Pacific Ocean. You're going to freak everyone out. And for the next two hours. And when they landed and everybody got off the plane, they all just went, ugh. And everyone got a $15 meal voucher. That was their result. Two meal vouchers. Sorry, two $15 meal vouchers.

Which is for sure better than one. Yeah. So I'm going to say United Airlines or at least that pilot in that moment qualifies for the clown. Bummer town. It's got to be. Who among us has not forgotten our passport though? Let's be real. I did once. Really? Luckily, I had enough time and this is extremely rare to go back home, get it and go back to the airport. I had the same thing happen. It's crazy. Yeah. What was I going to say? I don't remember. So yours is flight related clown. Mine is a flight related clown. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But the AT Protocol conference did happen. It's called the Atmosphere Conference. I think it's super cool. And I will be at the next one. As long as I don't buy a cheap ticket. Annual? Hopefully. You got to wait another year? Yeah. How about the Pixel 9a that was supposed to come out? That was pretty rare. The thing is, we're never going to find out why.

Yeah, they said a potential component issue. Which could be any of the components. To be fair, it's better to delay a product if you've caught something early than to release it and have it go wrong. Yeah, we don't know how careful they're being. We don't know if it's like, hey, 10 of them exploded or if it's like, oh, one of the vibration motors was a little bit weird and we had to replace them all. It's like, I have no idea what...

severity of the issue is but they've addressed it before shipping or taking pre-orders and I think that's actually a good thing but yeah we don't know what the thing is yeah I think it's selling our DNA to the highest bidder but they haven't done it yet they're trying I need to delete my data

Everyone on here should look that up. I did an Ancestry.com one a long time ago. And ever since then, they have consistently emailed me anytime someone gets added to my family tree, meaning someone else takes a test and it turns out they're related to me. Yeah, in any way. And sometimes it's someone that I know. It's like my dad's cousin or something. And it'll be like, oh, you're dad's cousin. I'm like, oh, super cool. I got one the other day that said,

second cousin once removed and I don't know what that means so I just archived it and moved on my crown is that I thought I had to unplug and replug my car in but when I unplugged it it was already at 95% nice best thing that happened in a month imagine if your car had a frat sonic exhaust clown? a frat sonic chambered exhaust 126 decibels ooh rumbles your car from the inside are the speakers good? nah

But they're loud. I love how competitive Marquez is. He just lost the crown vote by a hair. I need this one. I'll vote for Charger EV, although I'm pretty sure it's...

hundreds of millions of personal data getting sold is pretty bad. That's worse. That's 100%. I'm voting for that, dude. I can't vote for it until it happens. As soon as it happens, I'll be on your side. But we have to give them the benefit of the doubt. All they did was file for bankruptcy and then every tech company went, does that mean that X company could buy it? That would be horrible and it would, but it hasn't happened yet. But if they're for sale, someone will. There's way too many tech companies building their like

random offshoot LLC or whatever so they can buy it without it just being like meta bought the 23 and me personal data prize that would be the end times paint me a picture what's the worst that can happen I don't know enough about it find your DNA they give it to people you don't want them to give it to and then they know everything about you but it's not associated with me

It's your DNA. It literally is your association. It wasn't the thing that it's not like individually associated with. That's what I thought was confusing about it. But my question that's confusing is like, then how do I log into my account and see my specific traits then? You can see your traits, but you can't see the data that is your DNA showing you the surface. They're surfacing information from the DNA that they analyzed.

So people could, but if they, the people they sold it to could see my traits. They can see your traits. They know that I'm likely to grow back hair. Whatever it tells you, they maybe can see that. I don't even know if that's true, but I don't think they can see your literal DNA. Why would that? I don't know. What do you have to hide in your DNA? I don't know, dude. Look, there have been so many times in the tech industry where I thought that it couldn't be that bad. And every time it's even worse.

That's just, I just, you know. Somebody bought my DNA. What's the worst that could happen? Marquez is really trying to win this Charger EV. Here's an article. Here's the worst that could happen if your DNA data is exposed. Can we tell his eyes open? 23andMe's bankruptcy has some consumer advocates warning customers of the DNA testing company to delete their accounts. Here's why.

I just took a DNA test. Turns out 23andMe went and sold my DNA. Chapter 11 doesn't change how it's stored to guard this data. Any buyer will have to comply by law. The problem is the applicable laws are incomplete and don't cover this emerging industry.

For example, employers can't make hiring decisions based on genetic test results. - Yet. - Oh, God. - Well, that's a good law. But the law has nothing to say about applying genetic data to other forms of insurance, like life insurance. - Boom! - That's pretty bad. - Dude.

They're going to charge me more for my car insurance because I grow back hair. Or like health insurance. I feel like it's wild that there's a lot of people listening to this podcast that will be like, what do you mean by health insurance? What do you guys have to do over here? Yeah. That seems like a pretty straightforward law. Well, the health insurance thing? Cannot deny coverage based on...

genetic profile. They'll find a way. They'll find a way. This feels like the little progressive thing you put in your car to see how you drive around, except now it's just my DNA for my insurance. Before you drive away in this car, spit in this tube. Oh, your insurance went up. That's crazy. I'll give you Marquez. What are you voting for? The frat sonic chambered exhaust. laughter

I think that's the worst thing that happened this month. I think it's worse. Have you heard this car drive by 126 decibels of seriously, dude? Every time. Does the car sell your DNA to insurance companies? It doesn't say it doesn't. Worse. It loops an MP3. It tells everyone that you drive by exactly who you are. Oh. You know? All right. Mic drop. I'm just saying.

We will let the comment section vote. How about that? I don't. We're going to have to figure something out how to get a tiebreaker. This segment being we all have to agree really made it hard. This version of the segment was already the most polished out of all the ones done so far. I thought we were democratic around here. Why aren't we just democratic? All right, so I'm going fratsog. Are you going fratsog? No. Are you going fratsog? Are you going fratsog?

Over 23 and me potentially. Okay, here's what I'll say. I'm going to go the Daytona. Oh my God. Specifically because nothing bad has happened yet. That's also my logic. I understand politics so much better now. This is always what happens behind closed doors. The April clown could be catastrophic, but here we are in March. Nothing's happened yet. It's like, you know what? It's Mark. It's like, you know what?

It hasn't happened yet. Next month. Exactly. April Clown. United Health now owns 23andMe. So, yeah, I think that's my only logical argument. Here we go. Yeah. I agree. Okay. Hell yeah. What the f***? Join us on the logical train, David. I don't know about that. This is more like the jury duty that just wants it to be over with. In fact, you should be happy that they went bankrupt because they were going to do some crazy things with that information anyway. So they're bankrupt. They haven't yet. That's great.

They were actually doing some pretty cool things, but at this point. Cool. Okay. We got them. Ladies and gentlemen, we got them. What better time to do the trivia? All right. This is a...

Running a little long probably, but it's fine. We'll fix it in post. Actually, first, quick update on the score because I forgot to do it last week. Marquez with 13. Andrew with 6. David carrying the 2 with 15. I did think I was ahead by 2. Question 1.

Which of these games was not available on the PS1? A, Gran Turismo. B, Crash Bandicoot. C, Final Fantasy. D, Call of Duty World at War. Or E, all of these were available on the PS1. Flip them and read. What do we got?

Oh, God. Okay. We are all on the same page here. No, we're not. Oh, that's not the same? Yeah, we are. No, it is the same. Oh, are we? It is the same. Oh, yeah, there's an E. Sorry. Okay, yeah, we all said Call of Duty. I said D. You said Call of Duty. You said David is right. We all said D for Call of Duty. I said, yeah.

All right, hey, oh was it that easy I thought I was torn between C and D I picked II Call of Duty came out on ps2 so I thought that might trip yeah But Call of Duty feels newer than all those other games duty world awards the second one also yeah That's kind of what I was hoping did the first one come out on ps1 the first one was on no PC only I played it on the computer computers What's a computer? Question two was airdrop announced mmm

Air drop. I got to think about this one. Air drop. You will get one point for the year, two points for the month, three points for the month, day, and year, four points if you could tell me all of that plus who announced it. Who announced it? Oh, the guy. Or the person. The person that announced it. Actually, I'll just make each of those things one point. Wait, hold on.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm still writing. Can you do it again? No. Flip them and read, David. David. David. Okay. Who wants to go first? Okay, so my logic is like... Wait, I'm such a... They had to have things to airdrop between, so I kind of tried to pick right after the iPad came out. Shoot! Sorry. Continue. So I said I went July 2010 just to be summer 2010, and I said it was Jaws.

I'm so sorry. Unfortunately, you only got one point. Okay. The year. The month. It was July. It was July. Yeah. All right. My logic was my marker ran out of ink and I did not have a lot of time, so I wrote three things down very quickly. That's fine. 2013. Nope. March. I know it's wrong. Nope. And I wrote the 17th. As who announced it? I thought we were guessing the day also. Well, yeah, if you wanted to. Okay.

No. All right. Okay, look. I have to preempt this. I didn't mean what I wrote, but I guess I'm going to have to lay it out there. Okay. What is it? You're going to clown on me. Is it iOS 5? Not a date? Yeah. Okay. Now I'm like, oh, 2011. But what did you write? But I wrote 2007. Yeah.

It was 2011. I think I just thought iPhone and I wrote 2007, but I meant to write 2011. That's unfortunate. I hate myself. Was that iOS 5, right? I don't know. Yeah, I'm a god. Okay, so I wrote June. June? But my... You never wrote who announced it? I was also going to write Jaws, but I didn't. But he ate for breakfast that morning. What?

Scrambled eggs. What the? I want to petition for a point for being the closest in date, but I'll let it slide. Can anyone give me a point for knowing it was 2011 but not writing it? No. No.

Nope. The correct answer. The thing is I just thought of iPhone. Yeah, give us the correct answer. It was July 20th, 2011. Announced by Phil Schiller. Oh, yeah. Phil Schiller. Yeah. Mr. Phil. iOS 5, right? No, 7. According to Andrew. Airdrop. Well, according to Google's AI overview. I assumed it was a dub-dub reference, which is why I went with the summer. I'm pretty sure that's wrong. And it paid off.

No matter what, I am one point closer to David and that's all that matters here at the end of the day. Thank you for watching and listening. This is probably our rambliest, craziest episode in a while. But that's just how it goes. We don't have Ellis to reign us in. Yeah, sometimes we don't have Ellis to reign us in and we just go absolutely nuts. And now the comments are flaming me about lossless audio and that's okay. Thanks for watching and listening. Catch you guys next week. Peace. Goodbye.

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