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What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, we have a couple new pieces of tech. I'm going to call it the battle of the smallest hardware updates. We have the HomePod 2.0.

and we have the Samsung Galaxy S23 series. We also have a little, some maybe quick lightning round stuff, but also then Adam has a game for us called Over or Under Hyped. I think that's the title.

Seems pretty sick. Working title. Working title. We'll stick with that for now. But first, let's get into the gadgets because we do have some new reviews and we have some new pieces of hardware that we've evaluated and to talk about. I think we'll start with the HomePod 2 because that feels like the easiest, potentially quickest. We'll find out. We'll see. I mean, there are some feelings about HomePod 2 that we might have to address, but...

The HomePod second generation is out. And I called it sort of the most confusing product just because the first HomePod comes out back in 2018, I think it was. $350 smart speaker, feat of engineering, sounds wonderful, just does Siri things. They dropped the price after a while. It's not selling very well. And then they eventually discontinue it.

The mini 99 bucks lives on. It's much more reasonable for most people. So they bring this HomePod 2 back and there are some small changes, but I'm just wondering why because...

I mean, why discontinue a product and then bring it back? That's my main thesis behind it because it's so similar. I'll go over the actual official differences if anyone's interested. Number one, slightly new color. Midnight for the darker one. The light color is still the same. Two, the top display is now larger and it's inset a little bit.

So, there's that. Cool. The cable is now removable. So, remember how the first HomePod had a non-removable cable? And that was kind of weird. Now it's designed to be removed. It actually comes in the box, detached, so you plug it in yourself. If you need, in a pinch, you can use any other cable that just plugs in. So, if your cable breaks, you can go get the cable replaced, but still have a working HomePod in the meantime. Kind of cool.

Uh, it has two less tweeters, two less microphones, and it still kind of stains wooden tables, just not as fast.

And it was only the white version, right? That's the only one I've gotten to actually stain a table. So the old HomePod had this base where it's like, if you have the right material wood, which is like, I guess, a porous wood that's not sealed very well, and you put an old HomePod on it, within two minutes, you have a solid white ring on the table, which is like, this happens with this material. But because of the design, it's like all the weight was around that ring. So Apple redesigns it a little bit. It's a flat bottom now.

which is maybe a little bit worse acoustically or maybe it vibrates a little bit more, but now you've at least spread out the weight across the bottom. But it's the same material. And so after a day or two, it will also start to stain, unfortunately. Which sounds longer, but in the life expectancy and placement of a HomePod, two days is very short. So a HomePod will probably stay somewhere for...

I mean, months, if not years at a time. Yeah, you just sort of put it down. I haven't moved my home smart speaker in over a year. Yeah. So those are all the sort of newest things. I mean, there are a bunch of other smaller features. We talked about MatterSupport last time. It has a thread radio in the new HomePod, so it can be your hub. It does have a temperature and humidity sensor. Some observations around some of the other reviews point to it maybe not being the most accurate in the world, but at least you can...

calibrate to how inaccurate it is. Like it might be a little warmer than your room typically is, but that's fine. It's the new HomePod. Any thoughts on like why it's back? I kind of had some YouTube comments that brought up some things that I didn't find. Oh.

I'll just say the number one that I found the most compelling is that the original HomePod came out during the chip shortage. This new HomePod has less overall raw materials, so it's obviously not during a chip shortage the same way it was a couple years ago, and it's also less tweeters and less microphones. And because it's now at $300 instead of $350,

It's potentially a little bit easier to manufacture and make profits because of the less raw materials. And so they're just trying again. It's not going to pop off. It's almost the same product as the one they discontinued for not being a reasonable thing to keep producing. But-

It's another try. That's the main thing that I saw too in terms of comments was chip shortage stuff. Yeah. I think that Apple thought that the market was just not mature enough when they first released it. Like I think that that's their excuse. I don't know if that's, I don't think that's going to work for them. Most people buy the smaller smart speakers slash hubs. You know, the Google Nest Hub Max like barely sold any units and the

The larger Echos, I think, sell better, but still not nearly as well. It's always like Google Nest Hub Mini, Echo Dot, what is the Apple one called again? HomePod Mini. Yeah, those sell like crazy. And a $300 one, especially when there's no Spotify support on it, which, as we learned, is not technically Apple's fault anymore because they took the PR out and allowed Spotify to...

get on it, but Spotify is like boycotting them, so they're not going to do it. But I mean, we just saw a headline a couple days ago that Spotify has its most users of all time, and it's by far the most used music streaming service now. They have over 200 million users, I think. Yeah. I think it's going to not do well for the same reason that it didn't do well in the first place. Yeah.

Maybe not bad enough to discontinue this time because Apple doesn't discontinue things very often. There are a lot of things that I think I look at Apple's lineup and I know that that's not selling very well. Yeah. But it still exists at full price in the lineup. Like AirPods Max might be an example where there's a good amount of them out there. I think people eventually bought a good amount of AirPods Max, but the current Intel Mac Pro, how many people are buying the current Intel Mac Pro?

Hope it's not very many. Yeah, but they're still selling it still on the site. They're still making them It's not discontinued. So like when I saw if the original home pod was discontinued. It's like wow They really had to make a call here. They were like we're not gonna even make these anymore. Yeah, I have another theory though There was not a lot of home kit stuff out for like a very long time and now that matter is coming out and you're gonna be able to use like any smart home device with home kit and

It basically opens up Apple's home ecosystem to a huge extent. So prior, it was like you were only really buying a HomePod if you wanted a smart speaker that was very limited to the Apple ecosystem that could only really use Apple Music.

And that was very limiting. Extremely. But now that you can use it as like an actual smart home hub kind of situation, and it can be used with basically anything that you buy that's Matter-enabled, I think that they're probably maybe projecting into the future a couple of years and just being like, if we want to compete, the number one, if people that have iPhones are going to like want to just be able to like use the Apple thing with their smart home hub. So, I mean, if you use Apple Music and then you can buy Matter-enabled products,

It kind of makes sense if you're willing to blow the money. But beyond that, I don't really see a huge... All of every single word that you said is true.

But it's also true about the mini. Yes, which is way cheaper. I do think some people are willing to spend the extra money for the main room. I have a regular, well, the old Google Home that was $120 in my living room versus the minis, which I can hide in little corners of my kitchen or the bathroom or the bedroom or something like that. So if you are using it and you do listen to a lot of music in there or something like that, for one room...

It's crazy that the Mini is still $99 though. Yeah, it's three times cheaper. It's pretty expensive. The Mini is actually still kind of expensive. $99 is, I mean, because we see. It's totally expensive. All the Google Home Minis are like, what, $30? $30. It is, but it's way better sound and it's also got a, like a thread radio in it. It is, yeah. So. I guess I'm just trying to figure out the reason to get the HomePod over the Mini right now, the new HomePod. And it's like, this one sounds way better. Yeah. Yeah.

That's louder. Take the fraction of people who want it. I mean, yeah, louder, true. I mean, there's some fraction of people who are like, the HomePod Mini is not good enough sounding or loud enough for me. Those people should spend the money. And then that's kind of it. They may be trying to creep up into Sonos' market share. Because when you go into high-quality large speakers, Sonos eats everything.

smart speakers. Sonos eats everyone else's dust. That is very true. Yeah. Sonos. So I have a

Sonos setup and this did seem strikingly similar to a Sonos experience for me. Whoa, really? Did you hear that alliteration? You just strikingly similar to see it seems strikingly similar to a Sonos experience. It seems strikingly similar to Sonos. But no, because Siri and oh boy, here we go. Oh boy. It has a little bit of a differentiator, but like with Sonos, you can just like use it with Google Assistant and there are things that you can do and it's a smart speaker.

But if you have an Apple TV and with eARC, you can use a pair of HomePods as your hi-fi speaker setup if you want. No sub, but it is what it is. And they'll sound pretty good. It'll still be Atmos surround sound support, and that's cool. And plus the benefit of being a smart home controller and all this other stuff that Sonos doesn't do very well. So if this Sonos market is big enough, you could consider it also sort of

stepping in that territory. That's a little bit more market share. Yeah, because there aren't really any competitors to Sonos in the smart speaker space. Can you play Spotify on Sonos? Yes. Yeah, I know. I know. It comes down to Siri being kind of tough. In terms of market share, though, I think there was a really interesting stat you posted in the video that I just want to... I want to just pose this to the audience and see. You listed the market share of...

HomePods in smart speakers at its peak. In the US, right? In the US, yeah. So before I say, or I'm going to say the number and then if you're listening, I just want you to think like, do you think that's high or low? Because I'm interested to see where people go. It would have been a really fun multiple choice. I wish it could be a multiple choice beforehand, but leave it in the comments or something. But it's 6%.

So when you guys heard that, what did you first think? I think that's high. It sounded high. Okay. That's me too. I was like, that's high. I think I guessed 2% or something when you asked me. That's all smart speakers. That's smart speakers in the US market share of the big HomePod. Yeah. That seems really high. That seemed incredibly high. Considering like Google hides Nest Hub minis like under your doormat. Yes. Yeah. I don't really know how they managed to get that much market share. Yeah. But.

So then compare that now to U.S. market share of iPhones, which is over 50%. Yeah. That is insane how we're thinking 6% is high for the Apple-related smartphone or smart speaker that generally you like to be in an ecosystem, right? We talk about Apple ecosystem. Yeah, but it's so expensive for a smart speaker. I'm just saying. Something is wrong here where their market share is so little when they're...

they have the head start of the ecosystem market share already yes but the iphone sitting across the room from you when you yell at it is the exact same experience as the home pod like you can just yell at siri and have it do anything you want other than multiple timers i mean you could do that on like a pixel as well right so that's why i'm like is the iphone's dominance in the us actually going to translate to selling smart speakers and i feel like it

it's not as strong of a tie. Maybe if it's headphones or other things where it's like these work best with the iPhone. So if you have an iPhone, you want to get these. Like AirPods rode that train for sure. But a smart speaker like the HomePod doesn't really add any value no matter what phone you use, I guess. I mean, it's worse if you don't have an iPhone, but it's like... It's terrible. It's like unusable. It doesn't work at all. It's not a Bluetooth speaker at all. Yeah. So I guess if I see...

I'm trying to think of a list of things that HomePod offers that an iPhone user doesn't already have. It's the sound quality, it's the potential hi-fi setup, and it's multiple timers. Couldn't you say the same about...

- Like a Pixel and Google Home though? Your Pixel can like activate all the things. - Yeah, yeah, the bigger one, I guess I have the one with the screen, so I picture like that being super value added. Like seeing who's on the doorbell, seeing all the list of the buttons and lights you can turn on and all that stuff, it's nice. But most people don't even have that either, so it's true.

I think it's pretty much assistance better. It's a like it's an extremity of like your phone when if you're walking around your house, you can still do anything you're still asking from your phone. I think it's crazy that and I would argue that Apple doesn't want to look at it that way. Apple does want to look at this is our market share of everything else. Why is our we want that to help increase the sales of our general like home smart solutions, including smart speaker? Not good. Because Siri sucks. Yeah.

That's what it comes down to. Can I throw one thing in here? Yeah. Okay, so I can't find 2022 stats. I can only find 2021 stats. I hope that doesn't make a huge difference. But we talked about old AirPod market share being 6%. Do you want to guess what the Sonos? Oh, HomePod. You mean HomePod? HomePod, yeah. HomePod was 6%. What did I say? You said AirPod. AirPod.

Nice. Yeah. So HomePod was 6%. And we're guessing Sonos market share of what? Of home smart speakers in the US specifically. I'm going to guess 4%. Home smart speakers. So this is the same market as before. Yeah. So this includes Alexa. It includes Google Home. Or Nest Home, whatever you want to call it. Yeah. It's putting, yeah. 3% to 4%. 8%. That's high. Yeah.

I'd say two. Damn. All right. Well, I thought everyone here was going to be like 15 to 20%. No. No, it's 9%. Oh, it's 9? Oh. Yeah. Okay. If I were Apple, I'd be sad that I'm under Sonos. Yeah. That's pretty damn good for a major tech company. You just said that no one compares to them. Well, in the large smart speaker space.

MARK MANDEL: In the large smart speaker space. MARK MANDEL: Which is a tiny niche. MARK MIRCHANDANI: When you say large, do you mean like a physically large speaker? MARK MANDEL: Physically large. Yeah. Because all their smart speakers are pretty big and have really insane sound, whereas the Google Nest Hub Mini is very tiny. It doesn't have a lot of sound. Echo Dot. MARK MANDEL: When you said large, I thought you were talking about how they can have these really large mesh networks.

set up. Because that to me has always been the whole selling point of Sonos. If you have a mansion, you can control the sound in 20 different rooms. Yeah. No. I mean physically large. Alright, well, I'll just... I mean, it's still interesting. I did not think at 9% for Sonos. That would be a good trivia question. I think that's crazy that

arguably the biggest tech company in the US. I wish that was a trivia question. It's not even breaking that market share. Well, the best company in the world. In 2021. Yeah, they did their thing. Although I will say, like, was that...

HomePod, just big HomePod? Yeah, I think so. Okay. Because Sonos has a lot of products and just big HomePod hitting 6% is still pretty high. As a single product. Yeah, as a single product. It's still pretty high. It seems so. Like if I did a multiple choice and I wanted to ask myself before I knew the answer, I would say, what do you think big HomePod peaked at? Half a percent? 1%? Say like 3% is what I'd say. 6% or 12%? And I'd be like, half a percent for sure. Maybe 1% at best. So it's, yeah, 6% is high. Yeah. That's high. Okay.

All right. Now we have this oldest video on YouTube thing. I have one more thing. Did you see this? No. Did you see this? What? The new oldest video on YouTube. Oh, I heard it's fake. That's what I was going to... That's what I was going to...

This is a PSA to everyone out there who saw it. But I thought it was kind of interesting. I heard about this. Damn it. We're supposed to all know that Me at the Zoo is the first YouTube video. Yes. You at the zoo? Me at the zoo. Marquez at the zoo? Who's on first? Yeah, that's the first video. I think that's a good piece of history to know for this. I'm going to explain this very quickly. But...

Last week there was a tweet going around that there was a new oldest video on YouTube that got discovered. And it was just called Welcome to YouTube! It was just a picture of YouTube. Like the YouTube logo, I think. And on it, it said the upload date was... This is on YouTube's page, April 5th, 2005. A little trivia here, though. Do you guys remember when Me at the Zoo was uploaded? I know it was 2005. April 6th, 2005? No. I don't know what day.

sometime well okay april 5th is the supposed hoax video april 25th 2005 what do you think you are asking trivia questions on my show so many trivia questions was it april 23rd 2005 oh was it really okay i thought it was the 25th because it's misinformation um so apparently what happened in this whole thing when people were looking at it is underneath the video it said uh

live comments are disabled for this premiere. So I guess somehow the person found some sort of bug where they could go in, create an old YouTube video on an old YouTube account and like schedule it to 2005 somehow. And then it came out in 2005. That's funny. I think it's kind of fun. I do think it's funny that everyone was like,

we discovered the new old-school YouTube video. It's like archaeology. We unearthed it, and we aged it, and we found its age. We carbon dated it. You say age, but they made it look like an old video. They made it just look like a crappy animation or something. That's well-earned. They should leave it. The only thing that I saw that gave it away is that the upload date of the video predates the creation date of the channel.

Yeah, the channel was like a few months after. Which is crazy because that's still a very old channel. The person who did it was like, oh, I have this 2005 YouTube channel. Or they found someone who has a really old. This totally jogged my memory. I found out my friend's dad is a 2006 YouTuber.

and has all these videos up online. Like a prolific big time one? Not big time. I was going to say, am I known? No, he put out maybe 100 videos and then stopped. And it's all things of him in 2005. Like, I'm on the freeway. Don't have anything to say. That was one of my first videos, actually. Really? Yeah, it was an LG Voyager video test and I needed a fast moving subject. So I pointed out the window of the car at freeway speeds.

And it's probably a 30 second video. Well, yeah, I was too young to drive. That would be awesome if you were also driving at 14.

I thought this was going to be one of those bugs where, I don't know if you've ever had this, where you take a photo and then you go to look at it in your gallery and it's gone. And you scroll all the way to the back and it's like, it's at the very top of your gallery at like 1969. Yeah, it's deep. Has that ever happened to you? It's metadata get all messed up. Yeah. Sometimes I'll take a photo and it just goes, oh, this happened before the phone existed. Yeah. Interesting. For some reason. Yeah.

I thought that's what this was going to be. But this is an interesting story. I think that person should get credit for at least tricking some people. Yeah, it's hilarious. It's kind of cool that like if they find out a bug, they actually went through the effort of making it believable and not just posting like a Mr. Beast video and saying that it was the oldest video in existence. And just to wrap it up though, YouTube says they've found the issue and fixed it already. So there will be no other ones of that. We can all officially... YouTube said...

Just so you know, me at the zoo will and will forever be the first video ever on YouTube. Perfect. Good trivia fact. Don't be tricked. I can't schedule a premiere live stream of my own birth for 1993. Can't do it anymore. YouTube fixed it. Well, we're going to head to an ad break in a second. But of course, as we typically do as tradition on this show, we will have a trivia question with the answer at the end.

End of the podcast. Let's get it. End of the podcast. So, all right. So new HomePod just dropped. Hope you copped. No. Or not. I don't care. It has the S7 chip inside. Sure does. The original HomePod mini that came out in 2020 had the S5 chip inside. Super powerful chip. According to Apple, how many times per second does the HomePod mini EQ itself in real time?

Apple would quote some crazy numbers for that. I analyze the room I'm in a thousand times every second. And if a pillow on your couch moves, I will change the EQ settings to match. Accurate. That's a random guess. I really wanted to guess, but then I looked at the answer. So now you can guess for me. It's going to be a crazy number. Well, while we're all thinking about that, let's take a quick break.

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All right, welcome back. Let's talk Samsung Galaxy S23, Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus, and Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra. It's actually pretty easy to talk about it because they are pretty similar to the S22s. This actually reminds me of, I'm trying to remember which iPhone review it was, where it's such a small update. It might've been the 13 or the 12, but it's an update.

in the couple of things that are most important on a phone, which is it has better cameras, it has a better chip, and it has better batteries. That's a good set of small things. If you're gonna do a small update, good things to do, right? So S23 and S23 Plus are the same sizes of the small flat 1080p displays, 6.1 and 6.6 inches.

phantom black cream green and lavender i do not like these colors i like the green just gonna be honest here i don't think they're very good i like the green it's kind of a military green that's the one you're at cream and lavender are just so like safe yeah i don't know about the pastels it's been a thing for like four or five years where they just go pastels and they go you can get

neutral or near neutral? How do you feel about those colors? - Or black. - All right, fine, I'll take black. - It's like a neutral black too, it's like a gray, it's like a dark gray. - It is what it is. But they all have new camera sensors across the board. So a 50 megapixel main sensor. I took a bunch of sample photos on these that when I was doing my impressions video and just sort of like clicking around, seeing how it felt.

And they did look really good. And this is like a super subjective two-hour experience that we had, but they're claiming four times more dynamic range and improved processing. So I want to see how those look when we get them out in the real world. Larger batteries on both, 3900 and 4700. Those are both 200 milliamp hours bigger than last year. So when you combine that with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, which appears to be much more efficient, I feel like that's a solid comparison.

You know small couple things to upgrade on a phone me super safe fine s23 ultra has sort of along the same lines Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 a big bright 1440p display a couple things that they did with this phone are it has these really flat sides now that I love It's a subtle thing, but it's the shape of the phone when you holding your hand It's much more square and boxy like the note used to be I like that a lot and

And the camera sensor upgrades are also all here. It's a 200 megapixel main sensor. So it's going to be some serious binning 16 pixels into one to get a 12.5 megapixel shot. Still a 5,000 milliamp hour battery, still an S Pen in the side, still 120 hertz, still 6.8 inches, still up to a terabyte. New selfie cameras on all these phones. And they look about the same.

Same colors. It looks about the same. It looks about the same. So the price tags are also looking about the same. $799, $999, $1199. Do you need to upgrade if you have an S21 or S22? I don't think so. S21 Ultra, I would still be happy using that phone today. If you have an older phone or a different phone,

This is probably the move. Now, they did this thing also. We just finished watching the keynote that I did not like as much, which is they're also selling the S22 for $699, and I don't think that that's a good deal. I don't think you should buy the S22 right now for $699, considering there's other phones in the pipeline for that price. You can get a Pixel 7 today for $599. I don't think that that's the phone you should get for that money. I don't know. I can't confirm this because I don't have...

But I guarantee you the S22 has been sold for cheaper than $699 at some point in the last year. Like Samsung does some crazy deals. It definitely has been cheaper than that. Prime Day, Black Friday. It doesn't show all the time. I'm sure. Or like a two-for-one deal or something like that. It's on Amazon right now for $439. Is it refurbished? Wait, is that like refurbished? Refurbished. Oh.

If you want to get a brand new one, it'll still be expensive. I bet you could buy brand new ones for cheaper than that at some point. Probably directly from Samsung. I'd rather get an S21 Ultra than an S22 right now. I think the S21 Ultra is one of the best holding up phones. We could talk about software updates and how long that's going to get software updates. These are going to get five years of security updates, four years of One UI software updates. So if you do get an older phone now, you'll sacrifice some of that.

But aside from that, yeah, great cameras, great screen, great battery. That phone's really good. So, you know, it's a minor update across the board. This is kind of what we were expecting with Samsung. My title for the impressions video was cruise control. Because, okay, I really like Dave 2D's video on this. He did like a two and three minute video on it, but he did bring up, you

You played Valorant, right? Yes. Something I didn't know about Valorant was when you play a bunch of rounds in a row with a team or whatever. Correct me if I'm wrong in any of this. I haven't heard this analogy, so I'm very excited for it. When you play a bunch of different rounds, you might take one round and play it as an eco round where you're just going to play and try to spend as little as possible and just get through it so that you can make bigger upgrades to your arsenal or whatever you're fighting with the next time around.

And I've always thought this about video games. Like, I've never articulated this thought, but I feel like there's two types of video game players. Like in 2K, if you're playing my career, you can buy new VC and improve your player every once in a while. And the two types of players are player one upgrades as much as he possibly can every time, which is just a small bump every time. Or player two, which is me, which is play as long as you possibly can with your current player until it's

Basically unplayable, and then use all of your money on all of your upgrades, and you're a god. Also me. Yeah. Yeah, same here. That's the move, right? I think I need to...

i hate to go on a gaming rant here but i need to like change that analogy a little bit the way you're doing it feels closer to like an mmo where you're just like i'm not going to use my skill points until i can't kill a creature anymore valorant is like super round based so essentially whether you win or lose around you get money and that round if you died you you start off with like no guns essentially so every round you have to buy guns and armor and it's like the

It's first to win 13 rounds, and this is Counter-Strike as well. They're all economy-based games. If you lose...

a round it's better to just be like this next round is going to be a wash it's better for me to be able to actually have my guns the next round and then you like you either don't spend anything or you spend to a point where you know you can buy the next round right so it's like like both it's a little different yeah yeah so yeah i guess my my connection back to smartphones is i think this is samsung going we want to spend as little as possible on r d this time

And then maybe the bigger upgrade is next time. So like the bare minimum they could do is just throw the new chip in there and literally ship the same phone with the new chip, right? So they did a couple extra things, new camera sensors, some tweaking. They still have all those people on hire. They're working on the cameras. It's a little better this year. But like this isn't a big change.

we're working on some other changes that'll come later so here we are they did it they they won last round yeah 2022 yeah and now they're one best big they're just going to use the same guns going into this round and then maybe buy an op next round so that's that's you understand exactly how it works yeah exactly there it is works for me gaming that might just be the review what's up gamers honestly now that we're talking about this i kind of feel like i need a jack dave's thing

and talk about video games and you talk about video games well i mean i it applies to 2k pretty heavily or like any game with skill upgrades that you can just go as long as you can with without upgrading your skill so shout out to dave 2d dave when you see my video that has video game talks in it you'll know that i was inspired by you i want to play valorant with dave now that's probably the move it's probably really fun that seems like about it for samsung oh one more thing

This might not even be new. I got to check the old phone. 8K video at 30 FPS, not just 24. I think that might have been in last year's phone too, but I'm just happy it's not just 24. Isn't 4K60 front-facing camera new this year? Yeah, you got new sensors across the board. They were doing this crazy binning of like a 40 megapixel selfie camera on the Ultra. Now it's just like a 12 or a, yeah, 12 megapixel front camera across the board, but it will do 4K60. It is a 12 megapixel, so it can support that.

Which is cool. I mean, I think the cameras are the thing that I need to test to find out the most about whether or not that upgrade is meaningful because you got to really put in a bunch of different scenarios. But like I expect Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 to be really good because I've used other phones with Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 and they're really good. So here we are. New year Samsung stuff. S23. I do want to say I think that a $200 leap from the regular one to the bigger one is kind of a lot. And I know they've always done that and it's

pretty much always been a $200 leap, but it seems like a lot. Like just to get a bigger screen and a slightly larger battery. That's what you get. Like 200 bucks is a pretty significant chunk of higher base storage, which is true. That's kind of, that's a good point for some people. I did a poll on Twitter of like, what's your, cause I, this is what I was thinking about. What's their minimum base storage for a phone? Just buying a new phone today.

And about half the people said 128. There was a drop off after that. But yeah, you do get 128 on the S23. Yeah. But you get 256 base on the S23 Plus. So that's really not that much then. Yeah. Okay. So for people who want that, that's available. I will be testing these phones. We'll be reviewing these phones. Stay tuned for the reviews. They'll be coming out. Also, the Ultra is even more boxy than last year, right? Very boxy, yeah. It's like a note. I really like it. It kind of just looks like the note.

That's what I've always wanted. Yeah, that's exactly what I've been hoping for. I love the note. It's the note without the word note in the name. Yeah, it's the note. It's great. It's just kind of funny to me because the note had such an intensely loyal fan following and then they just kind of got rid of it and now they made the note again. But it even has the S pen. You know, it's like...

Did the Note, wasn't the Note slightly more expensive even? Yeah, I think it was like $1299 or something. So they kind of shoehorned it into the S lineup so more people are able to try it? Maybe they just had too many devices. Because they've got the A line, they've got the... When has that ever stopped Samsung though?

They started messing up the note, though. Remember they were adding different versions of the note that then got worse? It used to always be the flagship versions, but then the Note 20 had that weird one. The Note 20 by the plastic one. Yeah, the plastic one. Yeah. Which, that was a shame. But there's one more thing from the Unpacked event that I liked that's really boring, but I actually thought was a really good idea. The maintenance mode. Do you remember what that was from the... That little section. Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty much like...

You can turn your phone into maintenance mode when you're going to be giving your phone to like a carrier or somebody working on it to try and fix something for you. And it essentially locks all your personal stuff like photos, contacts, text messages. So I mean, we've heard these horror stories of putting your phone in to get fixed and then people are like distributing pictures or looking through your photo albums or stuff. It's just like this one little step of security that you add a pin to and

And now all of your stuff is safe and somebody can fix it without being a creep, which is nice to know. As someone that worked Best Buy mobile for many years, that is a genius idea. Bro, it just like people will give you their stuff and like be like, oh, there's something wrong with my gallery app. Look and just show you all their pictures. And like, I've seen some stuff. And it's like, I didn't need to see it. That sounds like their fault. This is more to stop the... But yeah, but I,

I'm appreciative of that as the employee. Like, I don't want to see that either. Please do not let me see that. Yeah. Yeah. And the app there are like, or in the presentation, they were like, you can hide sensitive apps like banking apps. And I was like, we know what you mean. You can just say it. So yeah, it'll show up as like a fresh phone with no apps basically, which is good. Well, and just the apps that are like, or whatever apps you choose. Default on the phone, like settings and stuff like that. I mean, even if you're just like letting a stranger borrow your phone to like make a phone call or something, I feel like that's a good idea. There are honestly points in this like,

In our environment right here where we're probably shooting the phone where if you're testing the S23, maybe you should probably put it in maintenance mode just so like all of your text messages aren't coming in. But you're also mostly the one shooting stuff. But let's go airplane mode. Airplane mode. True. Do not disturb something like that. Either way, it's good. I mean, we'll find out if it's really good, but it looks like it's pretty solid update from Samsung. So check out the impressions video if you haven't already. That'll be up.

And I think that's it for Samsung. Can I say one more thing? Yes, go for it. This is funny. Just because this, Hiroshi just responded to me on Twitter and I want to like, the whole unpacked event, he was wearing a watch that I couldn't figure out. It was a, I was like, that looks like a Watch 5 Pro, except, well, first I said, that's not a Pixel watch. It's definitely too big. He's Android, so whatever. He's at a Samsung event. I understand wearing a Samsung watch. It looked like a Watch 5 Pro, but it was silver.

But as far as I know, they don't make that. Can someone like, like I'm, I've looked multiple times. I cannot find a silver watch five pro. He gave a titanium silver. So he's what he said. That's what he said. I, he, there's a picture of him at the event and I just responded and tagged him underneath and he somehow saw it. And I was

I was like, is that a silver Watch 5 Pro? And he said, yep, it's a Watch 5 Pro in gray titanium. But as far as I know, that doesn't exist. Hey, I don't see. Did he leak? Oh, wait. There is gray titanium. Yeah, I see it. Yeah, there's a gray titanium. Kill all of this. I'm leaving it in. It looks good. Oh, I was just scrolling on Twitter too, and I just got to a hot take from Saradichi that I fully agree with. I'm just going to read it.

See if people agree with it too. Zoom lenses feel like they're for work and prime lenses feel like they're for fun. Every time you shoot video and you look at like video tips on how to improve your video, they always go, shoot prime, they'll always be sharper.

And then I go, okay, yeah, shoot prime. It'll always look better and be sharper. And then I shoot prime for like one video project and I get so annoyed with switching lenses that I go back to the zoom because for actual work where you're changing focal lengths all the time and you're doing constant stuff with the cameras, it's nothing beats a good zoom. But for fun, you know, throw on a prime, shoot some stuff real quick. I think it's too focused on like what you're doing for fun.

Interesting. I'm like looking at I want to go on vacation this summer and I want to go to the Tetons because there's a bunch of wildlife there and I'm looking at this Sony 300 to 600 millimeter lens but I'm not going to bring a prime lenses to try and shoot wildlife. I guess trying to shoot wildlife is one thing. I think if you're like a you're a photographer for fun and you're like oh it's going to be a nice sunset tonight I'm going to go out with my 16 mil and get some big dramatic cityscapes or something that's like

for fun, you know? Yeah, I'm not saying it's not for fun, but I feel like there are fun scenarios where, like, having the variability of a zoom lens is probably pretty useful. Zoom lens is for life. I'm on team zoom lenses for sure. As some people would say, you should ratio Sarah. Use your feet to zoom. Dang. Well,

True up to a point. With wildlife photography, you're actually not supposed to. You can only zoom out far enough. Also, I immediately imagined putting your feet on the lens and I did not understand what you were talking about. You should definitely not do that for wildlife photography. Oh, look, a grizzly bear. Let me just walk closer. I'm going to use my 11mm grizzly bear.

Open AI announces ChatGPT Plus for $20 a month. For those who want to talk to AI and don't want to wait for faster responses, I might be in. I use it a lot. I mean, it's down all the time, but I might be in. I think they're artificially putting it down.

Oh, interesting. Wow. That might be, I don't know. Because it's down all the time. It really is. And it only started going down all the time like a week ago. And then they mysteriously released this like pro version that's never down. And got bought by Microsoft. Yeah. I mean, it does feel like this company with billions of dollars should be able to keep this chat bot up all the time. Well, especially since they're using Azure. Right. And they can just scale that. But I don't know enough. You want to think about that?

Microsoft, is Azure notoriously good? Yeah, just being like, no, they're using Microsoft services. They should never go down. Yeah, but it's scalable. It's like AWS.

Theoretically, it should be reliable. The more traffic it gets, the more it'll spin up. Yeah. More hardware. But OpenAI's chatbot always seems to be down. Yeah. And I find myself trying to use it all the time. And now that it's, like, now that I look back and we're just at the beginning of February and I look back at how many times I tried to use it in January, I would have paid $20 for all of those to have been, like, uninterrupted.

So maybe if I keep using it at this rate, I will be in. This is where we very quickly start to get into the weird copyright stuff that we haven't yet had to deal with because like when they're charging for another force. Yeah. Because previously it was just that like open sourced foundation that was like just giving it away. And yeah, now they're charging. That's a really good point. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Dolly, I think is a worse problem because art that's scraped from the internet, whereas this is just words and words are just words, you know? Yeah.

You're creating heat maps based on word frequency. Tell that to singer-songwriters. Songwriters get all the money. Gets Taylor Swift in the room. She'll shut it all down. I feel like singer-songwriters don't get all the money. Isn't that like the big problem with the music industry? If you wrote the song, you get like 50%. The singer gets like 7% or something crazy. But if you're the writer, you get a lot of money. If I didn't have to do any work and I could just sing a song, I'd probably be fine with 7%.

Some would argue it's a lot of work. To sing a song? The singers would argue that. I could do it right now. Yeah, but then, Whopper, Whopper, Whopper, Whopper. 10% for you, but I wrote that song, so I should get banked. Yeah, I mean, I'd give you 50% if you wrote the Whopper song. We've never needed a trivia question before. I hope the guy who wrote this song is getting paid.

There it is. Did you write that, Ellis? No. Wait, who did write that? Someone who submits music to Epidemic Sound. Nice. So they are probably getting paid. They are getting paid. Yeah. A typical LCD screen has a white backlight. What color is the backlight on a QLED display? Support for Whiteform comes from Coda.

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Right? Over or underhyped. Over or underhyped. Overhyped or underhyped. Let us know in the comments which one you think works better. If we even keep this, I don't know, maybe we never do this again because it bombs. Hyped or wiped. The way this works is I'm going... That's not bad. That isn't bad. I'm going to say something. It has to do with tech.

Wait, let me double check. Yeah, they all have to do with tech. Thank you. Love that. They all, except the one that I'm deleting now. So they all have to do with tech. Goji berries. I'm going to say something. Has to do with tech. You guys have to tell me if it's overhyped or underhyped.

I will give you each one perfectly hyped. I like that. You get one perfectly hyped. So it's like, eh, it's not over, it's not over, I don't know. Or if it's like offensive, it's like, ah, I'm just going to say perfectly hyped. It's hyped. Then you're clear of this one. Okay. All right. Number one, coming in hot, Johnny Ive. Huh. Huh.

Current Johnny Ive? No, no, just like in general. Because when you, it's like naming an NBA player and saying, are they over or underhyped? It's like, well, their career or their current status. Yeah. So current Johnny Ive to me is overhyped. Would a clown nose have anything to do with this? Yes. We just saw this headline of a...

Luckily, there was no price tag. I was equating it to Supreme. It's for charity. It was for charity. Okay, good. Tool on this too hard. I appreciate that. But yeah, there was like a headline of like, Johnny Ive designed a clown nose. And it's like, why is this even an article? I don't know. It's cool, but like, whatever. Yeah, I'd say current. But I mean, we did see a long history of his career designing things at Apple, which had some really good products. And then they slowly descended into minimal madness. And some might argue he ruined the MacBook Pro. So like, I think it's safe to say Johnny Ive

overhyped. I probably agree with Ohu. It's so weird because like in our community we all know who Johnny Ive is and talk about him all the time but like if you mention Johnny Ive to anybody like if you mention Johnny Ive to your parents they're not gonna have any idea who you're talking about. So we are talking about current Johnny Ive right?

That's how I define it. He designed that iMac G3 with the colorful iMac G3. He designed the iPod, the iPhone, the Apple Watch. I mean, he's got a great portfolio. The resume is crazy. The resume goes hard, but current? Yeah, he did wreck the MacBook Pro for sure. Yeah. There was a point in which the form transcended the function. He needed Apple Silicon to make his vision come to life. Did he make the Magic Mouse? Yes.

Oh, that's pivotal. He did make the hockey puck. Yeah, I just saw that on your screen. I think all Apple mice are notoriously terrible. Minimal and bad. Yeah, they're all bad. So I would say his mice probably aren't the best addition. Doesn't look like he did the magic mouse. But he might have done some other terrible things. Maybe he needs to go to veterinary school. He has one, yes. I'm sticking with over. Yeah. I'm probably going to go over. Although... I would say over. He's a great speaker, though. Malcolm Owen...

Magic Mouse 2. Aluminium. Wow, way to put him on blast. Sorry, yeah. Catching strays over here. Also, Ellis thought that it was Johnny Ives'

Oh, no, just I-V. Nice minimal name, too. Johnny without the H. He's the ultimate minimalist, isn't he? But not Johnny Ive account on Twitter. That's a quality account. Chef's kiss. Fantastic account. All right, I think we're all... Please remove your headset. Did you also over? I would say over, yeah. All right, unanimous over. It's over. Yeah. Number two, foldable Pixel phone. Okay. Okay.

I thought you were going to say foldables in general and I was going to be torn. Foldable Pixel doesn't exist yet. We get one hyped. No, no, you get one appropriately hyped. But that's bold because we don't even know what it looks like yet. It's kind of hard. We don't know much about it, but we kind of have this leading... Interesting, but your parents don't know because you were just saying your parents don't know about Johnny Ive. Your parents probably wouldn't know about a foldable Pixel rumor either.

Definitely not. My parents definitely don't. I think the scale of those is different. I'm going to just put this in our tech community right now. It feels just like we're just talking about the folding Pixel because it's the new Pixel that folds. And we wanted to talk about the new Every Company that folds and Pixels up next. It's overhyped and I don't think it's... If the folding Pixel drops, they hypothetically will have beaten Apple to the foldables product category too.

Just like everybody. I'm excited for it, but I think it's overhyped. It's going to be their first gen foldable too, which has just not done well for anybody yet. I'm going to use my one single appropriately hyped song.

Interesting. You're using it this early? We're on question two. That is early. I have like 13 more lines. I like the confidence. I like it. We have like 50 of these. I'm going to go. Regret. Fundamentally, I will not be able to correctly answer until it comes out, but since we're answering now, I'll say overhyped. All right. Next question. Yeah. This one's a little whimsy. Standing dust. Overhyped, underhyped, or perfectly hyped? I'm getting myself in trouble. Overhyped. Sorry. Overhyped.

Because when I use it, when I use it, it's like, ah. But I never use it. I was going to say, I can't remember the last time I saw you standing at your desk. Yeah. That's a good point. Thanks for calling me out. Marques, every hour, 10 minutes before the hour, will just mysteriously rise. This is what Marques does. His desk rises. He doesn't rise. Every time his Apple Watch gives him a notification. I stand up. Time to stand.

There is a beautiful seven seconds where you're posed like the Thriller music video. This made me think. They should have a sit-stand desk. Oh, that's a good question, though. Are we talking about sit-stand or are we just talking about stand?

I'll do sit-stand both. Sit-stands are incredible. They should have one that you can set like it will stand during your work hour X amount of days and like or X amount of hours in a day. Therefore it kind of forces you to stand up. Because like I love to stand but like I'm lazy and a lot of times I sit and if I try to stand more often. I think they're great though. I also love to stand.

I just need to stand. I love to sit. I don't know what's happening.

I should use mine more. I don't know what the hype level is of standing desks, so it's hard to evaluate if it's over or underhyped. I think there's so many people. There's fitness influencers who think this is life-changing kind of stuff. Do they think that or are they just telling you that? There's a fair amount of sitting down will kill you on the internet, so I think I'm going to go with overhyped. Despite my love for my standing desk, and I do believe it's a really good thing to have, I think it might be overhyped. As someone with miserable posture?

Sitting bad. Sitting's bad. This is a sit-stand desk? Did you know that? I didn't know that. But please don't do it. I don't think we wired it. Technically, sitting down will kill you faster because you are closer to the center of the earth, which means that time moves faster.

Technically, sitting down will kill you because eventually you'll run out of food. And if you don't stand up, you can't get more. That's why there's wheels on my chair. Go full Wally. I don't think I over under. I almost want to say...

correctly. Oh, you're using it on the sit stand desk. Wow. They got 50 more questions, dude. I'm going to say underheight. I don't think enough people are willing to pull the trigger on it, even though they are very useful. If I told you the price tag of a sit stand desk. That's the problem.

But there's a lot more options coming out. There's like the Ikea crank desk, which is way cheaper. They have some things that are desk toppers that you can split up. If you owned a crank desk, would you ever do this for 35 seconds to stand up for a little bit? I don't think anyone would do it. If it's $400 less. Think about the rings you'd be closing. I was just going to say. Eh, I would just walk around at that point. Cranking your desk is going to be better for you than standing at that point.

Yeah. We got to get into the level of friction of making people stand up versus putting in the effort to stand. You know people used to have to crank their car windows? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. But you know why we don't do that anymore? Because that's terrible. Dude, that was always fun. I think my dad right now has a sort of a mechanism where there's...

platform on his desk yeah that extends mom so the desk stays so you don't have to buy a $6,000 desk but you can pop up like your laptop in your mouth yeah so you can stand use it put it down whenever appropriately hyped are you gonna I went under under okay I like what Brandon does where he has the tall desk that doesn't move but he has us he has a stool a stool that's also because then you just stand up whenever he wants wait now he has both

Really? Now he has a sit-stand desk that sits, that stands most of the time with a stool seat. Oh, wow. It's an interesting scenario. What's the point of that if his stool can't go down? There is no point of it dropping down. I don't think his desk will ever drop down. Oh. He just wanted a bigger desk, I think. Anyways, next question. Sorry. All right. This next one, you can either do the word itself or the concept of nitography. Okay.

Overhyped. Overhyped. Thousand percent. Overhyped. Overhyped. Unanimous. Easy. All right, then what about this one? Night mode. The concept, I mean, night mode is a good feature, but is it hyped?

The smartphone companies will try to hype it. Exactly. So they all have night mode at this point with various names like night sight or nightography or low light mode or whatever. What does Apple call theirs? It's just like long sight. I think it's low light mode. Long exposure. Oh, night sight? No, night sight is pixel. I think it's just night mode. I think they're useful. Yeah. And...

The fact that you know what I'm going to go the fact that you can have a little tiny computer in your hands where you can hold something in place with optical image stabilization and it will take a bunch of exposures and compensate them all into one multi frame image is underhyped. I can I can agree with that because like it's something that's pretty spectacular. But now we're expecting it in literally every single frame. Like we just expect it at this point. Standard. It's amazing. I will say when the pixel two

Or three. One of the two. The two had the legendary... Was it the two? The first night mode, though? Oh, night mode? I don't remember night mode. Night Sight? Was that the three? Night Sight took a little longer. Or was it the four? I don't know. When the Pixel first did it... The three. The three? I thought so, yeah. The three. It was like incredible. And then when the P30 came out and it could just completely see in the dark and everyone was like...

Yeah, I remember doing some test shots now I just like when the robot room closed all the doors and the lights and everything shut the shades and took a picture of the robot and then the photos like oh Yeah, the lights are on. That's fine. Yeah, we can see everything with the p30. Oh, gee. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I was like in Morocco and in a completely dark room in the shed Yeah, and I couldn't see anything and I took a photo most David sentence That's so David

I took a photo and it was like, there's literally no light in this room. I cannot see a single thing. And yet the phone just like sees everything. It was crazy. I would say underrated. Up next, Wi-Fi 6E. Oh, sorry. I was leaning towards overrated. But now that I think about it, it's really just a footnote at everyone's presentation. Like it's not really hyped. It just is everywhere and you're like, hmm.

I would actually say that Wi-Fi 6, 7 is a bigger jump than Wi-Fi 6 to 6E. I haven't seen as much hype for it either. About 7? Yeah. The cool thing about 7 is that it creates a dedicated smart home accessories channel.

that all of your smart home stuff attaches to so that it doesn't start doing that mix between 5 gigahertz and 2.4 and messing everything up. This is what happens every time. This is such an in-the-weeds thing, but every time Eero updates their routers, they add features to the old routers to build those features into older versions of Wi-Fi. So my older Eero router has a separate--

channel for IoT. Oh. And it's like a 2.4 gigahertz channel that you connect your doorbell and smart accessories to. Yeah. And then, yeah, you hear like, oh yeah, Wi-Fi 7 is just going to have like that built in. It's like, okay, sure. I'm going with appropriately hyped.

Wi-Fi 6E is appropriately hyped. So you've all used your appropriately hyped? I have not used my appropriately hyped. You didn't use it? No. You switched it to under. No, no, I went under. Got it. 6E, it's like if you're min-maxing, it's overhyped. I'm going to say overhyped for sure. 7 is pretty dope, though. I think 7 is underhyped. All right. Just saying. Next question.

Chat GPT. Wow. Overhyped, underhyped, or perfectly hyped? Wow. I feel like you need to gauge the amount of hype that's behind it. Very hyped. It just made billion, or... I'm going to say overhyped. I'm going to say overhyped because even though it is like an incredibly transformative technology...

Its limitations are being shown pretty hardcore now that people have used it a lot. And it still has really basic problems once you understand how it's actually doing the inferences. Like it can't do math at all. Okay, you've sold me. People still talk about it every day. Right. If you would have said like AI, that would have been tougher. But ChatGPT specifically as a sort of a figurehead for AI...

Like AI is clearly a very important thing for the future, but chat GPT specifically is a little bit worse than people make it out to be. So I'd say it's over. Chat GPT is getting all of the hype for AI. Therefore, chat GPT is overhyped. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. What's the next one? Ellis is just staring longingly at me. He was like, he says, David ML.

Why don't we do... That's what I've been saving my perfectly high score. I appreciate that. Let's do this one next.

super minimal desk setups overhyped overhyped overhyped yeah extremely I agree that's why I have my desk the way I have it yeah if you saw David and I's desk if you saw David and I's desk he's like that's why I never take anything off my desk I think the super minimal ones are clearly form over function

Yeah. So yeah, overhyped. Yeah. All right, next. But you still got to close some tabs. That's why I downloaded Arc. David, we're here for you. Thanks. Stories. Just in general? Yeah, like Snapchat stories, Instagram stories. Bedtime stories. Telling you stories. I think the stories feature was at the time the most transformative social media feature for three to four years. Because everyone added it and everyone used it.

It's the one it's like the the one feature that Facebook just blatantly stole that immediately everyone started using more than the main function of Instagram. So I was going to go with underhyped.

But then you see that like, no, it is underhyped a little bit. It used to be overhyped when there was like YouTube stories and LinkedIn stories and we're about to see like Excel stories or something. Slack stories. At this point now, I think it's died down enough and we don't realize just how ubiquitous stories actually are. There is basically no hype for stories, but it's kind of amazing. It's like, yeah, that's...

a primary feed for a lot of people yeah 70 of my like diet is chalula it sounded so much like but like yeah most of my use in instagram is just stories and i'll usually close it so probably under i'd say under but i agree there was an overhyped phase of when like youtube was trying to add it and linkedin was trying to add it everywhere it's like with clubhouse

Like Clubhouse was super overhyped and then everyone just added a Clubhouse feature to their app. Yeah. Up next, we have AirTags. Underhyped. That was a quick answer. Right now, I agree. I think that AirTags are like the cheapest, most useful... Apple product? Apple product, yeah. Or just product category. Like I know that... Look, I know that Tiles existed. We made a whole video around this. But just the fact that every single Apple device...

is a beacon for finding your thing makes it like one of the most useful products you can possibly own and it's 30 well us in the u.s totally totally underhyped in the u.s because there are just so many more beacons for it yeah it's crazy it's so much better than tile because of that when evaluating the level of hype are you guys seeing all these stories about like this airline lost my luggage and then i just found it with an air tag it's like pretty constant but

Which is a good thing, like a good level of hype for it, I think. A lot of my normie friends see one of my AirTags and they're like, what's that? And I'm like, oh, it's an AirTag. And they're like, what's that? And the fact that they are normies, so they obviously know what most Apple stuff is, but they don't know what an AirTag is, makes me think that it's underhyped. I feel like everyone who has an iPhone should have at least two AirTags. And that's not true. I think that's like, I don't have an iPhone, and I think that's a pretty, I feel like that should be. It seems so...

Where do you put the two? Keys. If you have keys, I guess. And then like backpack. Your car. Yeah, you could put it on your car so your car doesn't get stolen. I don't know. There's a lot of things. I have one on every camera I own, basically. Yeah. I mean, your car will still get stolen, but you'll know exactly where it is. That could actually be very helpful, though. So I have a friend that put in his bike and his bike got stolen and he literally sent the police to the dude's home and he had to give it back. Nice. Underhyped. Also, hypothetically, if you have type...

If you have a device. That's the name of the segment. Hypothetically. Hypothetically speaking. There we go. That's good. That was the wrong sound. I like that. Okay. All right. This is not a joke. Hypothetically, I keep being like, because I don't have any AirTags, but I am an Apple product user. I keep being like, oh, yeah, I should get an AirTag so I can put it on my iPad. It is an AirTag. Yeah. Yeah.

How are you guys feeling? You want to do one or two more of these? I still need to use my perfect. Yeah. And now that I know there's only Andrew uses, you're too polemical. Yeah. Keep sailing. All right. Surround sound over, over, over. Easy. Keep going.

Move in right along. We overhyped, really, for Surround Sound? Yeah, we were all kids when Surround Sound was being super hyped, and I even remember how annoyed I was at how much they were hyping it, even though I was a freaking child. All you need is a good stereo mix. Yeah, that's it. It doesn't. It's not a big deal. That's crazy. Okay, anyway, next question. Two more. That didn't count. Smart watches. A single tear all the time. Smart water. Smart watches, not smart water. Smart water bottles. Underhyped.

So smartwatches right now, I use my perfectly hyped. So I think I have to go with underhyped just because of how fast the Apple watch became the most popular single watch on planet Earth. I don't think a lot of people know just how popular these watches are. And of course, every other company is trying to like replicate that success and make a really good competitor. And that's like getting hyped. But I just I can't say overhyped. I think it's underhyped a little bit.

I would also say probably underhyped because I don't see a ton of smartwatches in the wild all the time. Like, I see a decent amount, but, like, not... I see a lot of analog watches still. I mean, I wear one. But, like, the price, like...

The price to value that you can get from a smartwatch is pretty insane. Like the amount of metrics and tracking you can do. It's pretty insane. I would say I see them all the time, but I just like feel like I don't people see people asking about them or talking about them as much. So like,

I feel like there isn't a lot of hype level there. So I think under hyped, but they seem insanely popular. There's so many good things about them. Yeah. It's the most popular watch on earth. Yeah. Well, you're talking about, I mean, all smart watches, but yeah, you watch nerds. Do you know, is the Seiko five, the second most popular watch on earth? Um, I don't think so. Actually. It's very popular, but I don't think it's like the second most popular. It's a Casio. Yeah. It might be the Casio calculator watch. Yeah.

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Under. Under. Next one. Roomba. Roomba, the product? The vacuum. The company? Yeah. I mean...

Are you referring to the musical style? No, no, no. The company's iRobot, so Roomba is the product. Actually, the company is Amazon now. Amazon bought iRobot? Let's make it like robot vacuum disambiguated. Let's include the Samsung vacuums. So robot vacuums. Robot vacuums. Over or under hyped? Under hyped.

They're awesome. I will say my... I was never into them. Like, I was always like, why would you want that? And then my friends have a Samsung one that you can get an app on your phone and drive it around like a remote control car. And I was like, all right, now I want it. That's all I need. Well, Astro Bot's better for that. But it doesn't clean things. It doesn't clean things. No, it's honestly like...

i i love my room but it's fantastic i also love being like claire i'm gonna vacuum the living room and then i just like open my phone and press the button in front of her and then it's like all right done with cleaning play valorant yeah play bad my floors are bowed about 17 degrees and they kind of do this and so um i don't think a room would work it's

It's that boat? I feel like a Roomba can still handle it. I trip just walking around in my apartment. Oh. I live in the oldest building in Greenpoint, so it's pretty boat in the basement, the cellar. So you're going over? What's your address? No, I'm saying I couldn't tell you because I don't really know. Hmm.

It's kind of flat. You have to have flat floors to like really appreciate a robot vacuum. I think there's a lot of things you have to have to really appreciate a robot vacuum. Like there's some people who would just not have any use for it. And then there's some people who are like, I have a kid. I have dog hair. I have like a flat. With dog hair, it's so nice. Because like I don't always feel like vacuuming, but if it can at least do like a quick run with Mac just shedding like crazy, like twice a week is so nice. Robot mops.

Oh, yeah. Well, we had one in the studio for a little bit, yeah. Yeah. Those actually work pretty well. Those, I like that. Yeah. I'm leaning underhyped, actually. Yeah. Underhyped. They're just kind of expensive, though. They are. Aren't they like $450? A lot of them are very expensive, and that might mean that there is less hype for them because people don't want to spend $400 on a vacuum. But...

They're pretty solid. I finally bought a Dyson this weekend. Love. Can we go next? Can we go Dyson next? Yeah, let's do it. Dude, my V10 Animal is an animal, bro. It is $100 off at Costco right now. Yeah. Worth it. Worth it. Underhyped. Still $400, but... Which one do you have?

It was the V10 Animal. Dude, and they all have awesome names. Like, I don't think this is one that's like the V16 Jackal. Wait, was it not called Animal just because it's got animal hair? I thought it had like animal attached. No, it has an attachment. I know, but all of them are like the Hellboy. Like, they, hold on. Dyson. Yeah. And they're hyped, but I don't think they're overhyped. No, they're not. I might say Dyson's are, can I use my perfectly hyped on one that you guys didn't even put? Because the Dyson might be perfectly hyped. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.

I mean, they offered to do a sponsorship for us. We didn't take it. And then you just bought it anyways because of how much you love it. And then I went, oh, this is really great. The V15 Absolute. Oh, yeah, I guess I was wrong. There's one called the Cyclone, but I assume they got crazier from there and they just don't. The OmniGlide Plus. Bummer. All right, edit that out.

I guess it is called animal because it cleans. It has an animal attachment. It's like the S wedge animal attachment, which I don't understand why that is. Guess I bought the wrong one. Get out of here and clean, you dumb animal. Time for a dog. They will be perfectly hyped until they try to release that Dyson car, and then we'll have to reevaluate. All right. Next question. Yeah. Portrait mode. Overhyped. Overhyped.

I would go almost useless at this point with how big sensors are on smartphones. You know why it's overripe? Yeah, sorry. I was just going to say most photos at this point on the regular camera have depth of field and therefore have a better than the crappy portrait mode blur. Yeah, I'll agree. Yeah. It was a feature that was developed for a particular moment in time

tried to solve a problem that was only going to be a problem for a couple of years and they spent every year up until it became obsolete trying to make it better and they still never got it perfect yeah i bet if we put a regular pixel photo in this blind smartphone test it would have crumbled

crushed everybody because people would have thought it's portrait people would have thought it was portrait mode and then thought it was the best cut out out of all of them and the best fall off and everything a lot of zoomers will say like oh can you can you portrait mode that when they literally just mean like take a normal dslr yeah wow okay boomer yeah like yeah like they don't realize that on on actual cameras it just has depth of field

So they ask you to like use portrait mode? They're just like, bokeh is just portrait mode? Yeah. Yeah, bokeh is just portrait mode to them. What's bokeh? Bokeh? It's portrait mode. It's just portrait mode. Cool. Ellis? Appropriately. I want to make my last one really spicy. Get some Cholula in here. Yeah. Underhyped. 15% of my diet is Cholula. Honestly, I think it's underhyped. Cholula? Yeah, personally. I think underhyped.

I didn't experience Cholula until I came here. Wait, is that the next one, Cholula? Sure, it is now. Oh, okay. Under. Under. I'd never had Cholula until I came to this office, and it's like changed my life. There's a Cholula bottle in every Kedoba. What's a Kedoba?

I'm so proud of you for saying that. Underhyped. Like, what is a canola? I love being from California. What is a canola? It's not that popular. It's just like Chipotle, but worse. Really? It's Chipotle, but the queso is orange. What? Well, it also had queso before Chipotle had queso. That's true. And Chipotle's queso sucks. Yeah.

Okay, so can we move on? None of the Chipotle competitors will ever be as good as Chipotle because Chipotle is popular and therefore all of the stuff in the lineup will be fresher versus Panchero's, Moe's, Canova. You can make the same argument about Apple. What? We're trying to see the connection here. Think about it. Clear plastic on tech products.

What? Oh, you mean like ripping it off? No. Like peeling it off? Like both classic tech products, such as the iMac G3, or contemporary tech products, such as the nothing. I hate to say this. Overhyped because it's run on pure nostalgia at this point. And I think...

We all want to have the old Nintendo purple Game Boy on our new phone, but if it actually came out, you probably wouldn't buy that. Unless there's a product that you're okay with being nostalgic about. The thing about nostalgia is that it only lasts until it's tacky.

Like the 80s was like an incredible, like when Stranger Things came out, everyone was like, whoa, 80s. And like now it's starting to get to the point where everyone's like, I'm so freaking tired of this 80s shit. It gets played out in cycles, yeah. Yeah. Now 90s is what's coming back, even though I think it's even tackier. So I will say the nothing phone is clear glass and there isn't a lot of clear plastic in today's tech.

I think it's mostly glass at this point. The ear ones are plastic. There's one device. Oh, interesting. I also think might have been one of the prettiest tech products of 2022, which was the Shargeek batteries. Oh, yeah. That have those clear things. That is plastic as well. And they're beautiful. They're really beautifully designed. Man, they're swaying me.

I was going to go over with Andrew, but I love those Shargeek batteries. Me too, right? Yeah, see? And that's, is that nostalgia or is that just kind of like geeky, like see-through, like cool, designer-y thing? All right, I'm going under. I'm going underhyped. Underhyped? I'll just stay. More transparent. I'm going to say over because I will be correct in like three years. As is the way of things. Great strategy. All right, last question. Okay. It's a big one. A wee boy. MacBook Pros.

Underhyped. Underhyped. Underhyped? I don't even use it, and I know how incredible the Apple Silicon stuff is. Everyone knows about it. Overhyped? Question mark. Because most people don't need it, but for the people who do need it, underhyped. Never mind. You said MacBook Pros, didn't you? Yeah. Overhyped. Just kidding.

macbooks and like apple silicon macbooks underhyped macbook pro overhyped why the distinction because i think apple silicon for just everyday laptop use and efficiency and power consumption is incredible and literally anyone who wants a laptop should use that and they can probably as a non-pro handle a lot of the stuff that people buying pro stuff oh so you're on the same pages yeah yeah sorry i i the pros are more than most people need exactly yeah but for the people who need them

Really good. I just desperately want people to start making ARM based stuff and actually caring about it. That's not just Apple because Apple is the only one. It's coming. Chicken and the egg. Windows on ARM is still so bad. The Snapbooks are still so bad. You know like the Surface X that came out that one time? That they just gave up on. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, that was it. That was our hypothetically speaking. I love that name. That's a great title. Such a good idea. I'm glad we have a title now. I think we got to bring it back now that we have a good name. Yeah. Um,

But yeah, that was it. A lot of fun, random stuff this week, along with the gadgets, which of course we could get into the weeds about them. That's why we have a podcast is we talk for 30 minutes on why the HomePod 2 is slightly different from the first one. Either way, thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. Thanks for subscribing. Catch you guys in the next one.

I think Mark has forgot. Everyone forgot we had trivia. The listener probably forgot we still had trivia. Oh, yeah. All right. So the first question. Hello, Elise. According to Apple, how many times per second does the HomePod mini EQ itself in real time? Released in 2020 with the S5 chip.

He said per second. Per second. How many times per second? Because it can do the whole computational audio thing where it listens to itself and adjust the music and all that stuff in real time. How many times per second? If it does it fast enough, does it start having quantum properties? That was the perfect ending, so I don't know. Sure. Flip them, boys. I said 2,000 times per second. 1,000. 1,000.

10,000. Nice. Andrew was closest, so I'll give him the point. 180 times per second. You guys way over thought it. I was going to say 1,000 seems like a lot, but what did you say? 1,000. That was the lowest. What were the AirPods 2? The Pro 2. Ellis would know this.

Those are 48,000 times a second. See, this is what I'm saying. This is why I guessed 10. Big range there. 181 is like, that ain't s***. No, no, no. But that's not for the EQ. That's for adaptive transparency. But it's still sampling sound. I see. Yeah, I guess he just doesn't need to do EQ that many times per second.

It's not like your room is rapidly changing 100 times per second. Of course, with adaptive transparency, it makes sense to be quick. Most of human hearing happens faster than 180 times a second. I would hope so. A typical LCD screen has a white backlight. What color is the backlight on a QLED display? Watch this just be white. It's not. I know. Oh, thanks. It's not a trick question. I'm supposed to know this.

How many briefings have you sat through where they talk about things? Exactly. I watched like a 40 minute Linus Tech Tips video on quantum dot LED displays and I do not remember because I don't retain information. Same. Flip them and read. I don't know. I'm trying to think of the reason. I said yellow because I couldn't think fast enough.

I did write white and then Ella said it's not white. So I erased it and I wrote magenta. I wrote blue. Let's go! I apparently do retain it. Why is it a blue backlight, David? Because it gets filtered through quantum filters that... It's actually pretty cool. So when you start with a white light and you need to filter out different frequencies to get to...

red, green, blue, you have to filter out quite a lot of the light to get those primary colors, right? But when you start with a blue light- - Oh, you can filter to the other colors. - You can just slow that down to red or to red and then green or green, I forget the exact- - Green and red. - Yeah.

So you lose way less light energy in setting the color. That's actually really cool. Isn't that cool? Why don't they just do that for everything? Because you need, so that's where the quantum properties of the actual dots come in. Because it's one thing to just filter out a bunch of wavelengths of light. It's another thing to like shift wavelengths of light. Yeah, just slowing it down a little bit.

So update underscore, Marquez with six, Andrew with four, David with six. Well, now I can finally outro the pod. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for subscribing. Thanks for rating us wherever you listen. We appreciate you. Catch you guys. Do you think that we're rated? I think we're appropriately rated. Appropriately rated. But for the purpose of this, I'll go underhyped. Underhyped. And let's fix that.

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