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Sorry, Ellis, are you speaking in Spanish? Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. This week, we have a car company rebrand that is sweeping the internet. We also have a new website that continues to sweep the internet. Newer website. Newer-ish. That's true. And also a ton of Google News from lawsuits to Android 16 early looks. But first...

Tesla started rolling out V4 superchargers. Well, they didn't start rolling it out. They announced it, and then they're going to start rolling it out. V4 superchargers are going to do 500 kilowatts. Very exciting. For those who don't have the context of what exactly that means, 500 kilowatts, that would be...

Yeah, so electric car charging, generally, the faster the better. And obviously, there's a whole bunch of math with the charging curve. It charges faster when you're at a lower state of charge and all that. But basically, V1 superchargers had, I think, a 75 kilowatt peak charging speed and V2s were like 125 kilowatts. I might be getting the V1 and V2 comparison.

slightly wrong, but generally the numbers have gone up over time, which means faster charging. This is the basic concept. V3 superchargers, 250 kilowatt max. Very, very impressive. But yeah, you can add 1,000 miles of range to your battery in an hour, so obviously you won't have to plug in for a whole hour to charge your whole battery, which is great. V4 superchargers, they announced the new cabinet, and apparently Cybertrucks will be able to do 500 kilowatts.

That's not necessarily twice as fast as 250 kilowatts, but it is twice as much power. And it shows, I think, there was a video clip that they put out where it was adding like 1,300 miles per hour to the battery, which is amazing. It also includes Tesla Semi support. And the Semi truck, of course, charges in...

They measure this in thousands of kilowatts. So 1.2 megawatts would be 1,200 kilowatts, which is crazy. Is this a stupid question, but I'm assuming a Tesla semi truck isn't pulling up to a regular supercharger. Are they going to have their... It literally wouldn't fit in the space, right? Right. They've had their own charging solutions in the past. And apparently this new V4 cabinet will support the Tesla semi. You need a longer...

cable, the whole higher power and all that, but yeah, this will also be fast for those. This does, though, come with the longer cables, right? Yeah, mostly for cars that don't take the NACS port. Or, well, cars that now do take the NACS

But have it at a different spot. There's that too, but they're also going to be including CCS connectors at these stations. Cool. Yes. So for cars that, you know, it's like you would have to buy a 2025, 2026 model of a car that has the NACS and not everyone has committed to moving over to it. But I think that Tesla wants to be the gas station of electricity. And even the ones who did were seeing these like, I mean, cables being like,

you know trucks pulling up to be within like less than an inch of the charging thing and like it still is that like a 90 degree angle which cannot be good for that cord over time so like being able to put it in you know whether you're at the front or the back right or left anyone hopefully should be able to plug in yeah so for clarity they did start rolling out v4 charger charging

Stations this year, but they didn't have the cabinets installed that allowed for this higher power. Gotcha So next year they're going to swap out a lot of the cabinets and then also just start rolling out way more v4 chargers sick So yeah, that's we just had the the Li Auto mega here, which was also it supported 520 kilowatt charging

And again, the number might not mean a lot to everyone, but the number that hit me the hardest was 10 to 80% in 10 minutes for your battery. That's awesome. That's like a full usable charge in not that much time. So yeah, hopefully a lot of cars will start being able to support that soon. All right, we should talk about this rebrand, this Jaguar rebrand. Last minute addition to the docket this morning.

Lots of talk on the internet, lots of talk inside our own studio, especially Tim, our graphic designer. Because it's so good, right? It's fantastic. Everyone loves it. Yeah, that's why. It looks better bigger than a phone screen.

Well, I think let's get into it. I don't think it is just the rebrand. I think it's how the rebrand was launched and what was launched alongside of it. That is why it's all sweeping. I think... So Jaguar changed their logo. It was an older typeface that was very... It'd been around for...

Some might even say it's recognizable. Iconic even. Well, the cool thing to do in the last couple of years is take something super iconic and absolutely destroy brand recognition. Melt it down into a simple sans serif font. Send it. Yeah, that's what's been happening. So the new logo, the new Jaguar logo is just a different typeface. Like we said, everyone is kind of doing it.

I think if that were just it, there would be backlash because when you have a singular thing for so long, any change to it is going to feel weird. And Jaguar has been around forever and kind of known as, you know, the the old people car, despite some of them, I think, looking very good. But I don't think anyone disagrees with that. Right. Like it is kind of known as the old people car. Yeah. The average Jaguar buyer is definitely 65 years old.

Like factually. I think a new typeface to kind of look newer in age isn't the worst idea, but they released it with this commercial. Did you all watch the 30-second ad it came with? What were all of your thoughts on that? Can someone explain it? Or Ellis, can you explain it as you're watching it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you live? Ellis has not seen it, so these are his live reactions. You haven't watched it yet? Oh, I would love to watch you watch it. There's a lot happening. Okay, so...

What? That was a card? That was for a card? Yeah. Wow. Okay. Look, I'll start off with nice things.

All right. I like the costumes. That was really fun. Can you explain it to like for if someone hasn't seen it yet, what happened? I can try, man. But like, so there's some people in some sort of like Logan's Runny like outfits and they're walking out on Mars, but it's pink. And then it cuts to seemingly like a queen in a royal gown. She's moving flowingly. Then there's, it says live vivid. And then it cuts to a guy who looks sort of like

Andy Warhol? He's spinning and he's painting as he spins. It says delete ordinary, but he's, I don't, okay, I'm just kidding. Let's move on. And then there's a woman in an orange dress in a blue room, but she's upside down. She's on the ceiling. Oh, but then she's not. Oh, and then she has a hammer. That's a yellow hammer. So primary colors.

But then it says break molds, which doesn't make sense because it's like a Bauhaus primary. Okay. And then they're all together. They're back on pink Mars and they're sitting on a rock. And they're doing these sort of Twyla Tharp-esque looks to the side. I don't get it, man. I don't really know what they're...

I don't know, man. When I was a teenager, my dream car, my absolute dream car, was an 80s Jaguar XJS. I actually am a huge, passionate lover of vintage Jaguars. So I'm a little bit sad to see that we're not going to get any more of those. We're not going to get big, classic, classy British steamboats. But also...

maybe we'll get cars that work so yeah a lot of a lot of reactions to this online i think most people have the same initial reaction which is wait this is a car company what looks like it had nothing to do with cars it's it's kind of just the beginning of a rebrand it's a logo and a 30 second vibe

basically it's not too different from nothing's marketing i'm gonna be honest with the the bugs with the bugs and just the random scandinavian people this yeah i think my issue with this is it felt tim said this like at the end it could have said adobe instead of jaguar and it would have worked it could have said pretty much better adobe yeah yeah like this ad has

just like nothing going on with it. It feels like they went into like a mid-journey prompt and said, make me a 30-second ad that feels...

feels like I'm thinking outside of the box and throw in a couple sayings you would find on like a $5 TJ Maxx. Yeah. There's a chance. Is Jaguar announcing a car soon? Is that happening? Do we know? I think so. Are we going to get a car that like breaks molds and is like unexpected and looks totally crazy? Interestingly, the I-Pace came out a number of years ago, which was one of the earlier EVs that was on the market. That's true. But

people generally did not like it. So it was not that. And did they just give up after that? And now they're coming back. So the crazy thing about the I-Pace, I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago is they still sell a lot of them to Waymo and they're like lots of them on the road. So they have a lot of electric cars out there. So the Waymos are I-Paces? Yeah. Oh,

A lot of them are. I thought they were gas cars. I thought they just changed. I think they're starting to do IONIX. They're going to make their own cars, too. Yeah. They're working on their own. Yeah, they haven't made any new EVs that I'm aware of since. They've made hybrids. They've made other cars. But Miles has reviewed another Jaguar since then. But the other thing about this ad, though, is it's...

I mean, we're talking about it on this podcast. I don't remember the last time we talked about Jaguar. It's working. Like people are talking about Jaguar. The tweet, just the tweet. This isn't on blue sky or threads or on your Instagram or just the tweet has a thousand retweets and 15,000 quote tweets.

I don't know if you guys are familiar with what a ratio is, but that's a pretty strong statement. People are just sharing the crap out of this. 33.5 million views since yesterday. 50,000 comments. 50,000 comments since yesterday. So I don't know if Jaguar could have

a more attention-grabbing ad if they tried. Like, imagine a regular car commercial getting 35 million views and 50,000 comments on Twitter. They'd have to do something insanely cool with the car that very well may have been They'd have to put hamsters in a Kia Soul. They'd have to go nuts.

Like, very, very cool cars have been announced that don't get nearly that attention. It's true. So Jaguar has the eyeballs on them, and that's probably, honestly, their main goal, even if they're getting roasted everywhere, is, hey, people are paying attention to Jaguar right now. Yeah. So whatever their next car is...

People will look at it. The funny thing is their logo and their banner image, I understand that it sort of looks like multiple layers of slightly different colored paint, but it kind of just looks like color banding. It does. That's funny. So, you know. Also, the banner and the profile picture are like the opposite, right in the middle versus the start. Looking at the website on Ellis' computer here, it's the first time that I went to, or that he went to Jaguar, and I'm like looking at it. I kind of like...

everything. They're still using the old logo on their website. That's what was going to be my nitpick though. They're using the old logo on the top left. That's so funny. Yeah but I don't know. I kind of like it. Like as someone that doesn't know anything about cars and isn't in the car world and this is like my first real introduction to it. I do understand that their old logo is very iconic. It is also very very seated in like the 1980s. For sure.

And I wonder if they're just like, we are not selling any cars to younger people and we need to just do a full rebrand no matter what it is. I think it's super reasonable to look for an updated rebrand. I just don't... I think my...

I don't like the like cookie cutter. Guys, what are you talking about? Some of the most important celebrities to young people of all time have been Jaguar owners. Did you not know Frank Sinatra? Queen Elizabeth? Oh. Count Basie? Oh, I do like Count Basie. You don't think Gen Z cares about Count Basie? Oh.

I'm looking at this website. I mean, it really feels like they're trying to get people to pay attention to whatever their next announcement is. That's really my take here. A new frontier is coming. Go bold. Oh, it's here. Here, look. December 2nd, 2024. There's a date on the website. That's probably some other announcement. In some of the articles I saw about this logo, there was a car in the...

Camo wrap that takes away like the lines and like prototype testing type of car So it does seem like they're coming up with something new They're obviously not gonna launch this just out of the blue and I think - baby. Oh wait, I gotta ask So what do we all think Jaguar is gonna pull out that that meets this criteria? That's disruptive that breaks the mold. That's for the new generation What's it gonna be speculation station and Evie? nothing

I don't think it's... Nothing like car pay? Whatever car comes out is not going to match what this vibe is. I mean...

If you're Jaguar and you're trying to reset a little bit, like remember we talked about Hyundai and Kia actually like successfully rebranding a little bit with their new EVs. And if you're Jaguar, you see that success and you're like, we got to do that too. Everyone who buys these cars is 60. We made a first EV, like we have that heritage. Now we need to capitalize on it. Everyone knows about Jaguar. This might be what you would do. You might go, let's go

Let's just turn over a new leaf. Abandon ship. We don't need any of this old crusty old Jaguar heritage from the past hundred years. We're going to do this crazy new branding thing. We're going to change our logo and we're going to just start with...

you know, EVs that are like in a popular segment. Maybe it's a midsize crossover and it's like this colorful bunch of, you know, electric cars they come out with. I can see them doing that. On their site, it does say the new era, a seismic change is coming. Yeah. I also want to say Car and Driver says, um,

that the automaker will unveil a design vision concept car during Miami Art Week on December 2nd. The concept will preview its first vehicle in Jaguar's revitalized lineup, which then goes to say this yet unnamed car will enter production by end of 2026. Wow.

Can I give my speculation? It's a long wait time. It's out of the box, baby. Yeah. Listen, what's the one thing that no auto manufacturer is doing? We have the midsize market. Sports car. No, sports car, the market's full. Midsize, market's full. SUV, market is definitely full. Plus,

They got to think bigger. I'm thinking 20 seats, 30 seats, additional standing room for 30 more. Make it 35 feet long. Sell it exclusively to municipalities. Charge $250 to get on it. Preset routes. This is the market. The Jaguar bus. The Jaguar bus. Yeah.

Think we need to move on. Oh, yeah. All right. It's blue sky time, baby. Okay, so get him David It really is Last week right as we were writing this episode It was reported that 15 million people had joined the service of blue sky previously the day before it was 14 million so that is

Info had updated by the time I was editing the podcast dear viewer if you were watching the video it was up to 17 million yeah, I was the screenshot that I so meta had been making a big deal over the fact that they were adding a million users to threads every single day and then all of a sudden a Million users started getting out at a blue sky every day And yes threads has almost 300 million people and blue sky is now sitting at about 20.7 million as of time of recording and

20.6 actually, as of time recording. By the time you watch slash hear this, it will probably be around 22 or so. Mm.

But yeah, I mean, it's growing very fast. It seems like one of the main things that people are talking about on threads right now is blue sky. And it's gotten to the point where people are arguing about which one is better, which I find very funny because it's just, it's the same thing as like Android versus iOS or Sony versus PlayStation versus Xbox. People just love to be tribal about this stuff. And there's all these people on threads being like,

I'm not going to blue sky because you can't grow your audience over there because you actually see your friends posts instead of random people seeing your posts. And I'm like,

It's just hilarious. Anyway, I'm very happy to see growth of another platform. Obviously, it is not running on ActivityPub. It's running on the AT or at protocol, but it is still a decentralized social network. Jay is working a lot with people like Evan Padromo to make there be more interoperability between Blue Sky and the Fediverse. Jay is the CEO. Jay is the CEO of Blue Sky. There's something called BlueSky.

bridgey fed right now which basically bridges the fediverse and the at protocol universe so it's a i know it's messy protocols are always messy no it's just we're actually living in the timeline where it's like oh can you mastodon me oh no but if you hit me on bridgey or if you use your bridgey fed account it'll make it all the way to my my blue sky toot it's like you know wolf

We're getting back to wolf again well You know we also live in the era where hawk to a girl launches pookie tools was a headline from tech crunch So I you know we didn't cover that did we? What is that a react competitor react native yeah, I Don't know sounds like more like a Pokemon competitor

Yeah, so if you're not on Blue Sky yet, you should get on it 'cause it's fun. And if you do get on it, you should follow us. - Can I ask everyone a question here? I think everyone at least in the last week has gone on to Blue Sky and kind of reactivated their accounts, except Ellis. I just wanna pose a question. What is one thing you're really liking about it and one thing you're disliking about the current state? You're not allowed to say user base because we all know it's the lowest user base, kind of all of them. - Yeah. - I can go first. - Yeah, go first.

I enjoy just the people that I follow being on there, a chronological feed. The discover feed needs some work for sure, but it is nice that I can pop between them. And every time I refresh, it seems to remember that big, like the thing I've been disliking lately. And maybe this is just because of the influx is I keep getting these like suggested these threads posts, whatever that are essentially making fun of threads by saying, Oh,

We have to make sure that blue sky doesn't turn into threads and the engagement farming like hell hole that it is. Um, so we need to make sure everything is authentic and not just for farming engagement. And then all of those threads have a ton of retweets and everything and feel like that is the engagement farming on blue sky is to make fun of engagement farming. Well, I mean the same thing is happening on threads for sure. People, people are just saying blue sky sucks and then it has a ton of retweets and stuff. It's just like guys,

get out of your echo chamber it's just like let's just just do what you want it to be and show with action let's not

immediately start complaining and then piling on it because that just feels like the same thing we've always had to deal with. Yeah. I like that you can default to the following feed. Good one. I like that it's chronological and that you have multiple different feeds that you can jump between. I love the starter packs. Those are really fun and interesting. Starter packs are basically these packs of accounts that you can build and

so that someone can just inject their starter pack directly into their account so that they're following all the people they want to be following. Can you show me how to do that real quick? Yeah. Or like if I wanted to find a starter pack. So it's under profile, starter packs, and you can create one. Okay, so I would go to a profile that I'm following already and see if they've created a starter pack. Or they'll skeet about it and then you can follow that. Forgot about that. I'm not going to say it. Yeah, I think that's super useful. I've been trying to figure out how to like...

I guess it mostly is the people, but I'm trying to figure out what the difference in vibes are. And I think on blue sky, there's a lot of positive energy about this new growing thing. And if you post something, what I felt,

was that most of the replies were on topic about that thing. Which shouldn't be a surprise. - Which is how it used to be. - But that's how I was like, wow, this is so refreshing that I posted about one thing and then the replies were about that one thing and then we engaged about that one thing and then moved on. Which is kind of how Threads, I think, is trying to be 'cause everything's combined with the thread.

I think X is not like that at all. So I feel like that difference was striking to me. And I don't know how long it's going to stay that way. Because more people means less. I think a lot of it comes down to incentives, right? It's like Twitter, X, now...

pays people for engagement. So the reason that it goes off topic immediately is because if something gets a lot of likes or engagement, everyone else who wants to make money just post some funny meme below it that's not even relevant to the post. It's like, what are you consuming here? It also helps that the

you can get the people who want to make money are verified because you can only make money through verification and now blue check is the top of post so they automatically get a yes to only fight with the other one so yeah it's it's really hard to find especially if you're a larger account like marquez like yeah i used to go through your tweets all the time and read comments and like get

useful feedback. Yeah. That hasn't happened in a while. It seems like it's the worst on X. Yeah. It is definitely the worst on X. Threads is also, it's just this giant grinder of people that just throws people at you and none of them know who you are and there's no like context about what you're talking about, about who you're talking to. And so there's a lot more fighting on Threads. I noticed last week someone posted about how Final Cut is like a really good value and how it's crazy that you only have to pay $10

$299 once and you get it for life and it's a great value. And I just commented,

Yeah, you know, Apple does that because it's more valuable for them to keep you on the MacBook and the whole Apple ecosystem. How dare you? So they're willing to like sell you a product once and not charge a subscription service because it keeps you in the ecosystem. And the person immediately started screaming at me and was like, how does that negate anything that I said about blah, blah? And I was like, dude, I literally commented, I'm not trying to fight you, man. I'm just like,

creating a dialogue about like why Apple does this. I'm not saying it's good or bad. Yeah. And I'm trying to start a thread, bro. Yeah. He eventually backed down, but I feel like the vibe on threads is that people all people are always yelling at each other. So people assume to be yelled at.

Whereas on blue sky because it's more focused on the people you follow and then like second level connections like if Andrew were to comment on something on another person's post I'd see that that at least gives you some context as to like what you're communicating with and it's just a healthier dynamic and that's been completely destroyed with most of the other social media networks primarily because of incentives like making money threads also pays a lot of people to make money by posting which is what has caused a lot of engagement bait and

So, yeah. Blue Sky, it's obviously more like old Twitter where you don't make money on it. It's more focused on your friends. And right now they're not a public company, so they don't have to grow their user base so rapidly like the other companies do. Hopefully it stays that way. If they stayed private, it would be the best thing ever. Please don't IPO. Please don't IPO. Even just that, though, more users always, the more people we have, the more chance there is for...

things we don't like also true also true it'll be the weird thing of like is this thing on to like i wish this thing was off yeah you gotta hit that middle there's also an irony where the chronicle chronological feed allows you to jump on look at the like eight posts that have been posted since the last time you were on and then be done true that's the red wants that to never happen they want to keep you on they want to keep you on the site as long as possible they want to keep you around engaging and hopefully showing you things

As much as it's just like every other algorithmic feed, they just want to show you things that will keep you happy and keep you on the site and making them money through ads. Right. Whereas this makes me happy, but I'm not on it as much. Whereas threads makes me sad and I'm on it too much. Have we had the conversation about how blue sky makes money?

Well right now they don't so is that like a ticking time bomb type situation or do they can they have it we not make money they have talked about ads and like different things that they will do it's sort of like Twitter right losing money right with servers yeah definitely the more they scale the more they grow the more it's gonna cost them yeah for sure which is definitely a thing to think about that is why we're still waiting for another server to pop up

Yeah, right now blue sky dot social is like the only server it costs a lot of money to run a server Yeah, so for a company to like run the infrastructure to run a server would be a lot But if you did you did think about Twitter Twitter didn't really make money for quite a while and they had this stool dual-stake shareholder thing where Jack Dorsey like owned a lot of the company and I think he wasn't as focused on making money off of it, but actually just creating healthy social media and

You can say what you want about Jack Dorsey, but he did care about the health of a social media platform. He's the one that actually incubated Blue Sky at Twitter, and it was supposed to be the protocol that underlied Twitter, and then Elon bought Twitter, so that didn't happen, so they spun off. Anyway, if you want to know a lot more about Blue Sky and you're more interested, we have this whole deep dive episode.

that we did like two or three months ago. So it's very relevant now. So go watch that. We can link it in the description. Also, I made a long form episodes playlist on the Waveform podcast channel.

So if you go on the channel, you can watch all of them there. You can deep dive. And then you can stay in our algorithmic feed. Never leave. Stay on the Waveform podcast. Exactly. Sick. Yeah. All right. Well, we should take a quick break. We're going to come back. We have a lot more to talk about with Google. But before we take a break, trivia. It's way more exciting.

First question. Yeah. We all know that kilowatts is 1,000 watts. Oh my God, I might get this one. But which of these is bigger? Oh no. One dekawatt. Yodawatt. Or one watt. Oh, okay.

Deca, D-E-C-A. D-E-C-A-WAS. I'm just going by my Latin. Is this one of those things where like... It could be a fraction. Everyone outside the U.S. are going to be like, I learned this in first grade. And we're all going to have three different answers. You're like, he or her. I learned about gold mining in first grade, so who's the real winner here? Yeah, we learned about freedom.

You guys might have learned about science. But I got gold nuggets at home. That's a funny, fun fact. When David and I drive to work, we actually measure the drive's distance in gold nuggets. It takes approximately 137 gold nuggets for us to get to work. Yeah. Fortnites. You know Fortnite is a measurement of time? Two weeks, right? Yeah, two weeks. It's spelled differently in the game. It is spelled differently in the game. All right. We will come back after the break, and the answers will be at the end like usual. See you in a bit. Fortnite. Fortnite.

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Welcome back. Today we have a lot of Google news. A lot of Google-y, Google-y news. RIP Google news. It's still around.

Google News? Yeah. Are you sure about that? Yeah, I use it all the time. Can we name this episode "Great Google in Google News?" Oh, sorry, I was, wait, what was the RSS thing called? Google Reader? Ah, sorry. Oh yeah, that was a long time ago. RIP Google Reader. RIP Google Reader. Anyway. Anyway, okay, we got a lot of Google News. Now, this first story might break officially today. The story we're reporting on is a leak from Bloomberg.

That says that the story is supposed to come actually come out like the official ruling today today the day of recording Wednesday November 20th what the story is is you might remember that back in August a judge ruled that Google had been maintaining an illegal monopoly by paying search companies to be the default search engine.

Remember that? We had a whole episode on it. And they'd say that was not cool. I thought the episode we had on, they have too many lawsuits. There's a lot of lawsuits. Okay, because we also did the Play Store one. We did. We did. Okay. There's quite a few. But that is the one in which they said Google is actually maintaining a monopoly. Yeah.

So we've been wondering what that remedy was going to be. And it turns out, at least according to this Bloomberg leak, again, the actual story might drop today, that the Department of Justice is going to be asking the judge to force Google to spin off Chrome, like the Chrome browser, specifically because Chrome represents a key access point in how people use Google search.

Microsoft Chrome? Anyone? No. Okay, I've always wondered about these like spin-off things, like break up this big company into several smaller businesses, right? So Chrome is too big, spin it off, it has to compete on level playing ground with Safari, Internet Explorer, Edge, everyone else. It's its own separate business, right? Yeah. What's preventing that talent who just worked for Google from collaborating with Google? Are there more laws that have to like...

Drive a wedge between Google and Chrome or is it just there are technically separate by the books now? I don't really know It's that it's that now Google can't tell Chrome how to operate Chrome, but they can still collaborate They can but they Chrome can now collaborate with any other company or business organization They may get a better the idea isn't that Chrome is is so powerful and holds so much of the market that they need to be their own thing and

It's that Google can use Chrome as leverage to control the entire corporate landscape. Because remember, Chrome is a free application, right? They spend a lot of money developing Chrome, but they use Chrome as a portal to all of Google's goods and services that actually do make money. Right. It's like not dissimilar to the Nexus 7, which they lost $50 on every Nexus 7 they sold just to get people to sign up for the Google Play Store. RIP. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So then at this point, somebody else in the market can come to Chrome. Yeah. And offer all that sweet, sweet user data that Chrome is collecting relentlessly. They could sell that to everybody now. Yeah. Interesting. So, yeah. Yeah. So the issue right now is like Chrome is reportedly worth between 15 and 20 billion dollars.

So any company that could actually afford to buy Chrome is also probably one of the giant companies. Yeah, I would say no one's going to, yeah, they shouldn't buy Chrome. But if Google splits from Chrome and they're like, dang, they're really salty about it, but they still want to use Chrome as leverage, they still cut special deals with the Chrome business to continue to maintain this. Well, I mean, they're under this DOJ scrutiny, so I don't think they would allow that to happen. Interesting. Okay.

exactly it's my only contribution i guess i don't know the specifics of how those things work and i'm curious it's fine neither do they yet yeah that's a good point but i guess also in that is it'll be you can't cut special deals when you have other companies coming in with deals that are probably sweeter than that so even if at the end of the day well you can't uh

You can, but it's less incentivizing too. That's true. Everyone wants to make money. When Chrome is its own thing, they are going to want to make money. They won't give a damn that Google is like made them or whatever. They're going to ditch that and they're going to make as much money as possible. And even if it winds up being...

Google still is like the main connection to Chrome, all that. Google will probably have to pay more money in all of that. This is not dissimilar to how Android was originally started as an open source platform because they needed to get a bunch of OEMs to use Android, to grow Android. But as soon as Android became huge, they started tying all of these things that used to be an AOSP to Google Play services so that you had to sign Google's license agreements, even though Android's open sourced.

Like, if you use Android, you're stuck on, like, Android 5.0, basically, with all the stuff that they included in AOSP. Right. So that's a big reason why they needed to break them up. They're also asking the judge to force Google to license its search data and let publishers more easily opt out of training Gemini on their work, which they currently don't do. Jesus.

Yeah. So let me opt out, please. Yeah, that's that's the leak from this morning. So this could easily change by the time we're live with this podcast. But I'm interested in what the opt out thing would be, because it feels like we need that one, like,

base ruling to be able to reference in terms of opting out of AI stuff, because it seems like every company right now is like, we know it's coming. Let's get as much as we can before we have to actually do it. Previously, they had this file called robots.txt that if in robots.txt, you put a thing that said you cannot train on this, you were supposed to adhere to that. But then a bunch of companies like perplexity got caught basically just completely ignoring robots.txt and

And they would say like, "Oh, it wasn't us. It was like one of our vendors that goes around collecting data." But it's the exact same thing that happened with that pile data set where they were like,

- Yeah, we're using the pile, but we're not the ones that collected it. It's like, yeah. - I have a question about this. - Sure. - So let's say Chrome does get spun off and this article says that a potential buyer could be Amazon. Wouldn't that just make them the monopoly? - That's what David kind of said before. - That's what I was saying. - That's weird. - Yeah, so I mean, yeah. It's strange that they're even trying to make them sell it as opposed to just spinning it off and having them be their own business.

obviously it might be a little bit difficult for them to just figure out how to make money out of nowhere. That might be the main problem. I'm sure they're going to be giving a timeline and a bunch of stuff like that, but it is kind of problematic that they're worth $15 to $20 billion. They also make Chromium, which is now the underlying browser engine behind Edge and then a bunch of other browsers. Firefox is like,

one of the only browsers right now that doesn't use Chromium. Is Safari on WebKit? It's on WebKit, yeah. I don't know if Firefox is on WebKit. I know Safari is. I don't think Firefox is on WebKit. But yeah, Safari and Firefox are like

Some of the only browsers not on Chromium. Arc is on Chromium. It's everywhere. - Firefox is on Quantum browser engine. - Which is their own one. But again, Mozilla is a foundation, so there's that. And they weren't really making any money either besides letting Google pay them to have them be the default search engine. So I don't know how Firefox is gonna make money after this.

But either way, yeah, it's like it is kind of a foundational thing to have a browser with the most market share as a portal to all the Google goods and services because they just really plug in everything. You know, they're trying to make Gemini like a core part of the Chrome browser now. Yeah. So.

That is going to play out throughout the week. We'll probably talk about it again. So play out to the next seven years. Episode 600 will have the final ruling of what happened to Chrome. Probably. But the next story is actually fairly relevant to this. The next story. Yes, Google's story number two. Google is reportedly ditching Chrome OS and making everything Android.

That actually would make sense in conjunction with this. Because obviously Google can't really have Chrome OS when Chrome is Chrome and going to be a separate company potentially. So they want to, apparently, they want to make everything Android because it would allow it to compete with the iPad a lot more easily. They don't really feel like Chrome...

Chrome OS really works on tablets and Android sort of is the only thing on tablets right now. And it doesn't make sense that they have such a fragmented ecosystem when it comes to... I feel like people have been talking about this for years. Like, when are they going to merge? Are they going to merge? And if anyone ever asked Google, they'd be like, no, no, no, no, no, they're totally separate. Yeah, Chrome OS. I mean, you can put Android apps on it, but they're totally separate. It was always a little confusing. Yeah. And so this...

To me, it makes a lot of sense in general just because of the user experience. Yeah. Okay, yeah. Put Android on everything. And they're also reportedly working on a new flagship Pixel laptop that will probably run Android. So my question becomes...

Chrome OS is just this really awkward operating system with this vision that Google had where the internet was your computer. You always had Wi-Fi, Chromebooks, and that you were always going to store everything in the cloud and nothing needed to run locally so they can sell them cheaply. They can put them in schools, all of this stuff.

I feel like we are quickly moving towards this world where that's not really the case anymore. Apple has never shifted everything into the cloud. They have some stuff in the cloud, like your photos and all that stuff, but they're all about local processing. And a lot of applications require a lot of local processing. So my question is like a premium pixel book, pixel laptop that uses Android,

If it's as expensive as a MacBook Air or like a Mac Mini... Or the last Pixelbook. Or the last... Well, yeah. The last Pro Pixelbook was very expensive. And it's just you can't do that much on them. Yeah. I...

So Chromebooks had a small niche of success. They had a lot of success. Yeah, they depended on you obviously having an internet connection. So they are the most useful when you do have a reliable internet connection, and they seem like a dumb idea when you don't.

Yeah. So, yeah. But also applications that just don't run on them, right? You can't use Photoshop on it. Also true. You gotta use Photoshop Web and all this. I think the argument would be like if you're a student or if it's your first laptop or whatever, 99% of the things you would ever do on a laptop are available through web apps. Yeah. Like you have web apps that can edit photos. You have web apps that can, you know,

edit music you can make all kinds of things with them and so it was like yeah I'll do everything on the Chromebook and I don't need to pay a ton for storage I don't need to pay a ton for RAM like all the processing is happening elsewhere I just saved a bunch of money and I always have an internet connection so this is great yeah so it made a lot of sense if you had a good internet connection but that

Is an if right that not everyone can say they have also I kind of think that Google only really made Chromebooks to sell very cheaply to schools because exactly why the Department of Justice is suing Google over Chrome being this like way to get access to all the other goods and services that Google offers is

They're just onboarding children onto Google services so that they already have accounts by the time they're in high school, right? And you're not gonna like, there's friction between switching everything from Google services to Apple or Amazon or whatever. And so it's just like a way for them to get the next generation of people on Google stuff.

Which makes sense because they always talk about the next billion users and like the young people are gonna be the next they're being born I know yeah, and that's also that's not a new practice in the industry, too I remember my dad telling me when he was studying CS at Brown in the 80s that at one like his sophomore or junior year or something like that Apple just came and gave Brown like totally thousands of new computers yeah, and no one at the time was using Apple computers, but I

The next six or seven graduated classes of Brown. Yeah. No, I, my middle school, Apple always donated computers to us for our computer lab and they donated final cuts, final cut seven. And they donated all this Apple stuff. I life. I life. I life. I life. Yeah. Yeah. I did unbox one of those many years later. Yeah. This, I guess my only question here is at what level is this? Cause like Chrome OS made sense because it wasn't,

Windows. But if we're just doing a laptop that's trying to do things offline, why is it not just Windows? Because they're just making... This sounds more like a Windows competitor than... Well, Google wants to have something from the ground up, right? Google wants their Windows. Yeah. The problem is Android is not Windows. And it's sort of... I mean, they're... Just like the VR headsets are barreling towards the smart glasses and the smart glasses are barreling towards VR headsets...

Android phones are barreling towards being able to be computers that you can plug in. And Android-based computers are barreling towards the ability to have touchscreens and use them like tablets. Wait, wait, wait. Android and Windows are not that different, right? I guess that's kind of... Like, they both...

are prone to crashing a lot. They both have massive security flaws. Okay. You know. Okay. That's right. They both can actually transfer files easily through a cable. Oh, yeah. Imagine that. I love installing the Android file transfer app on every Mac I've ever owned. So,

You can play PUBG on both of them? If Google was like, if they would just stop with all the cloud stuff and they were actually able to develop Android applications that were actual competitors to things that people need to use every day, this could be different. But, you know, they just released this Google online video editor where you can like tell AI to create a video for you and then you can do little edits, but it's all in the cloud. You know, it's like they're so against doing anything locally that

But I feel like when Apple is offering all of this local power and local storage and people need that and want that for professional work, I just don't see how you can sell a really, really high-end Chromebook. Google has tried this like five times. They've tried the high-end Pixelbook Chromebook thing and they never sell that many because they're super expensive and they're less useful. Yeah, so these are...

diametrically opposed ideas on how to compute. Put as much of the power on the device as possible so that you always have the fastest local power all the time. And that seems to work best for high-end applications. And then...

get as much compute off the device as possible is the other side, which seems to be best for low-end applications. And so somewhere in the middle is this clashing point of like, a high-end Chromebook doesn't really seem to be a good idea, or a really low-end...

You know, computer with everything local is also kind of a tough sell. You still need all this power and all the storage and all this fast bandwidth and all that. So it's like kind of challenging. Yeah. So on either end of the spectrum, it's more obvious. But in the middle, it's kind of like, I guess it's not that compelling. Yeah. One thing they might be thinking about is how the Pixel line and Android devices interact with their computers. Right. Because they haven't really had anything.

a match to the parody that the iPhone and the MacBook communicate. And over the last few years, they've been making so Android phones and Windows computers and Android phones and Chromebooks could communicate a little bit more seamlessly with file transfer and clipboard copying and that kind of stuff.

So maybe if you're like a Pixel phone user, this new Pixel laptop that's premium will have a lot of interconnectivity features with your Pixel smartphone. That might be the draw that they're trying to bring people in with. I do have...

I was going to say, I see a bunch of you using iMessage on your laptop all the time, and I'm so jealous. I can't do that. I have the messages.google in a tab, but Google Messages is in a tab that I can type, but you have to have it open, and it doesn't have good notifications and stuff like that. So I wish I just had a first-party, obviously not first-party, but a program inside of this. It is pretty nice. I always figured Google was one step away from doing that, and they never did. Yeah.

Like having... And there's just a rumor recently, I'll try to find the headline, but of like, oh, Google Messages should work with like the cloud and should work on a bunch of devices and sync in real time. But also...

When I had an old, like, Pixelbook, there would be a couple ties. You could, like, share the internet connection from your phone. There would be, like, instant one-click tethering. There would be a couple things, like, you could use the phone as a webcam. There were just a few ties to the laptop, but it never felt, like, fully...

Like a two-way street. Yeah, it wasn't really quite as integrated as Apple's done. I think this very much comes down to Google's structure and how they're built and all the teams that are spun off to make different things. There was a period of time, and this still might be the case, I'm not sure, where you couldn't use RCS and Google Messages Web at the same time because they used different protocols. So you had to turn RCS off if you used Google Messages for one. Because those teams are in different buildings. They've never met each other. And it was like...

What are we doing? This is insane. So who knows? Okay. Google story number three.

Android 16 just dropped, which is crazy. That was fast. We were not expecting that. It kind of came out multiple months in advance as opposed to how it's come out in previous years. It launched in developer preview. So DP1, usually this doesn't even happen until like February or so of the next year. So the fact that Android 15 only officially came out literally last month, which

MARK MANDEL: And now we have-- MARK MANDEL: Yeah. We just started getting it on. Everyone's Pixel's just got it, and every other phone is slowly starting to get it. MARK MANDEL: Right. And now we just got DP1 for Android 16, which is crazy. Google says that they're moving towards more frequent API releases to be able to deliver faster innovation in apps and devices.

So far, there's not a lot of stuff that's really that different with Android 16. The main changes are that it's going to give access to the Android Photo Picker, which lets users select specific photos and videos they want to share with an app instead of their entire library. The iPhone has had this for a while on iOS.

And it also includes the latest privacy sandbox and a preview of Android's Health Connect app, which supports health records and allows apps to read and write medical records in the standardized FHIR or Fast Healthcare Interoperability Resources format, which basically I think they're just trying to have more interconnectivity with the way that actual

Actual doctors and hospitals read medical information because these devices that were carrying every single day using every single day are collecting a lot more data than a doctor is able to just randomly collect an appointment. So I think they're getting ready for a future where you're able to just like hand over your phone or like send them a file and they instantly know all the health data about you that you've been using with.

Which is pretty helpful. You get system restored at the doctor's office. Yeah. I mean, that's a lot of smarts. Imagine you bring your error code into your primary care physician when you're not feeling good. It's, yeah. These are neat things. These are cool features. They're useful. It's also, I mean, we said this about the last version of Android. It feels like it could be a .1 update. Like, why is this? Well, this is DP1. Often you don't see things until DP3. Sure, there could be way more bigger features coming. Yeah.

But even the last update, Android 15, felt like a .1 update to Android 14. Totally. So I'm curious what's coming. The big things I would like to see is we got to see the very beginnings of being able, like a Dex-like experience, but just built into Android. Sure. We saw a very early version of that. Even that, though. See, remember, like, the difference between Android 3.0 and 4.0? But we're so mature now. That's what I'm saying. Like, you don't have to have a huge new version number every year. Yeah. But they're so, like, they just do it.

You do because they're, are they promising years of security upgrades or versions? Okay. So they could go seven years and it can only be two version numbers and that'd be fine. It'd be seven years of things. It's like the difference between turning four and five and 44 and 45. Exactly. That's a really good, even younger. Like laying at this point is like 12 months to 13 months is like,

multiple new upgrades. Yeah. Firmware updates like every week. It's crazy. Now it's like, yeah, you don't really have to do too much. It's an S-curve after 25 when your brain finishes developing. Yeah. And your knees start to tear. Yeah. We'll keep an eye out for future Android features that get updated for 16 or get announced for 16. Mm-hmm.

But yeah, it feels like a .1 update to me. Yeah, it's .001, really. Yeah. All right. Well, there's a little bit more. We got a whole segment on Microsoft Teams after this. It's going to be incredible. Ellis wants to throw one more thing. I have one more Google thing, which is that if any of you get the chance, we didn't have time to talk about this week, but David Streitfeld wrote a really great article in the New York Times about the Google antitrust suit.

specifically about Google's great length they went to internally to delete all communications and evidence that everyone at Google knew they were a monopoly, including to the point where they would refer to certain conversations as Vegas. Like they'd be like, hey, do you want to go to Vegas? And that meant let's talk about how we're a monopoly.

Also, the fact that no one at Google knows what privileged means. Like before having a really toxic conversation where they admitted they were a monopoly, they'd just be like, this is privileged. And just assume that that meant lawyers couldn't look at it, which is hilarious. Are you a cop? You have to tell me? It is like that level of like...

I love clowning on fan companies and they make it, excuse me, manga companies. Yeah. And they make it. Also NVIDIA isn't there now. Get ready NVIDIA. Locked and loaded. Man. Oh yeah. Cause Netflix was then before. Anyway. Trivia.

Name all of the companies. NVIDIA is most of the... Name all the companies. Ready? I don't even know what you guys are talking about. McDonald's. Manga. Acura. It used to be Fang, which was Facebook, Apple, Netflix, Google. I've literally never heard of that. GameStop. And then they started expanding it to be like slightly more... Microsoft, Amazon, Netflix, Google, Apple.

Netflix is in there and can't even have an actual streaming event. Yeah. They should get kicked out. There was a story that said it was the most streamed sports event of all time, though. Most... Yeah. We were actually... No, no. Streamed. Streamed. Streamed. Which Marques and I were debating, that must mean internet streamed only. Yeah. Which that makes sense. Which is a newer thing. TV...

Obviously the Super Bowl, I don't know, 100 million views. That's broadcast, I guess. Yeah, it's broadcast, not streamed. Question number two. This is the last trivia question you guys will hear before we record Trivia Extravaganza. Let's go. Later this afternoon. So if you can tell us right now what everyone's score is in trivia...

You will get a point. You will get bonus points if you can name the scores on the board that are not the three of you. The scores or just the contestant? There are four contestants on the board who are not the three of you. I would like their scores. Oh, boy. Okay. That's tough. I'm going to need some time. As well as your scores. Okay. Your scores and seven points to go.

So you only get a point. Thanks. You only get a bonus point if you name the contestant and their matching score. Yeah. And I'll give you a point per contestant score combo pair. Okay, cool. All right. Well, we will do a lot of mental math and think about that. And we'll be back after the break. Better hear Adam be like, update on the score.

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The world's burning. Go ahead and bring it back. Who cares? Welcome back. We are going to talk about Microsoft Teams. I wasn't joking before. This is the most exciting thing on this week's podcast. And that's because there's an article that Microsoft Teams, starting next year, allegedly, will help you speak in foreign languages during meetings. No, it won't.

And we have some skeptics on the podcast, but let's at least break down what it's supposed to do before we get into our skepticism. Have you ever been on a meeting where maybe you're the only person who speaks one language and everyone else speaks a different language? And if you could just speak in your normal language and maybe some AI magic could just make it sound like you're speaking the language of everyone else on the call –

then you wouldn't have to think too hard. You could just talk. And then every time they spoke, it would translate it to your language and you could hear them and understand them and it would just be this magical AI translate feature. I don't know how many magical AI translate features we're going to have to live through before one of them actually works, but this one could be built into Microsoft Teams in 2025. And it would be pretty sick if it worked. It won't. I think you hit the nail on the head there with we have seen this 100 times. Yeah. And I still have yet to see it.

It kind of working in real life. I mean, the weird thing is every time a company usually comes out and says we do real life, real time translation, it usually means speak, wait three seconds. It comes out, speak, wait three seconds. It comes out, which is not real time. This, this,

at least in their video, looked very close to real time. It's sort of like in one of those documentaries where a person that doesn't speak the language that you're listening to starts talking in their language, it ducks the audio, and then they dub it over the top. It kind of looked like that. Whether or not it works seamlessly, I don't. - It doesn't. - Alice. - Yeah, I don't like Microsoft either, but. - Look, we did, do we have to remember Waveform episode 206?

Like this. The back of my hand. Yeah. There was a trivia question about this. There was a trivia question about specifically this. Because Microsoft unveiled live translation in 2010, and then again in 2012, and then again in 2014, and then again somewhere around 2017. They keep doing this. Everyone keeps doing this. They never actually delivered a product. No one has either. Yeah.

But at this point, if they... I was just going to talk in my language and then let go and it would talk in their language. It was going to be great. I mean, it does do that, but like David said, it's really fragmented. I'd argue that Humane Pin might be one of the best quote-unquote live translators I've seen in person, but it is painfully slow to actually get through the entire thing. I understand your skepticism, Ellis. Guys, this was a feature they said would be baked into Skype in Windows 8.1.

Yeah, but they didn't have chat GPT back then you can't take a point what they're doing. I understand your skepticism I also think the specific advancements in AI that we have been making Play specifically well to things like translation and AI voice modeling. Yeah tiny language models back then I think yes long short-term memory I do think it is much more viable now than it was in 2010 No, but this time he's gonna change

At this point, I'd be... We have to make a bet. I'm willing to make this bet. I would like you guys to make a bet. Yeah, what's the bet? So, available early 2025 is the official promise from Microsoft. Whether you want to bet it around that or maybe... I'm not betting the time. I'm betting that it actually works. Okay. When it comes out. When it comes out. So, regardless of when... So, if it comes out 100 years from now and it works, you still win this bet? Yeah. It has to be in teams, though.

Yeah. Yeah. No, you know what? I'm feeling so confident about this. I will make I will put the time extension at the beginning of 2027. I will give you all of 2025 and 2026 for this to get added to teams because I'm so confident it will not be. And if it does, I will give the Microsoft engineering team.

the biggest round of applause. I say, you guys did it. It only took you 15 years of lying to everyone to get this done. Here's the paragraph on Microsoft's website.

Imagine being able to sound just like you in a different language. Because, you know, we've had AI dubbing before. Imagine being able to sound just like you in a different language. The interpreter agent in Teams provides real-time speech-to-speech interpretation during meetings, and you can opt to have it simulate your speaking voice for a more personal and engaging experience. Public preview coming in early 2025. Yeah.

That's not a developer preview. That's a public preview. Yeah. It could be in our hands in like three months. Yeah. Damn. Get those hands warmed up, Dallas. You about to be clapping, boy? I will clap. I will clap. You know what, David? I'm feeling so confident that I am willing to bet you right now

If this comes out fully, like as a full feature, not like a preview. So not as a preview? No, no. Before 2027, before January 1st, 2027. As a full feature. Shave his head. No, even worse. I will use an Android phone for a month. Really? Even worse. Even worse. Wow. That's a crazy. Okay.

And what will you do January 27 when this doesn't ship? David will shave Ellis' head. I want you to believe in this, like really believe that it will happen. I do believe this will happen. So how much do you believe? Yeah, how much do you believe? Well, what does it do for me if you use an Android phone? It just makes our communications worse.

Damn, that's true. That's a great point. Like, that doesn't benefit me. All right, we'll think of the bet offline and we'll get back to you in future weeks. We have two more quick stories. Marques, I'd like you to pick which one because I think you'll find both of these interesting. Okay. We can either talk about the new Alex Goldman podcast, which officially starts this week, or knee airbags. Okay.

Sounds like you need that. Marques and I both have a couple things in common, and these nail them pretty well. Catch me with the Arcteryx exoskeleton and knee airbags. Nothing can hurt me. Let me hear about these knee airbags. I need to understand this. All right, so...

Marques, you and I met playing ultimate. You know, I stopped it because I had three ACL tears, four knee surgeries. So I'm a disc golfer. I'm a lonely disc golfer now. You still play incredibly competitively. You're played at the biggest stages possible this year, but you know, you're on your 30s.

Your knees are... You almost said a really tough sentence there. No, I did not. You're 30. You're 30. You're almost... You're 30. You're starting to fall into dust. You're 30. You got to start worrying about your knees. Your birthday's coming up, man. Each year after 30, those knees start creaking a little more. It's a miracle I'm still here. So, I found this new knee brace. It kind of works in the same way. Have you seen...

I still think this is one of the dumbest products ever, but they're like the helmets that aren't a helmet. You wear it around your neck and it's like a one. I think it's a one time use, but it like as you're falling, it goes up because I guess people are so hell bent on not wearing a helmet. They'd rather wear a super expensive neck brace. I saw a demo of that where it didn't work. So, yeah, I've seen it. So, yeah, this feels like that.

So it's a knee brace and it has all these little airbags around it. And if it basically detects any rotation or hyperextension within 30 milliseconds, all the airbags like pop and straighten your knee out and prevent it from hyperextending or rotating, which is what causes those internal knee issues or snappages. I hate to say snapping because I immediately wince when I think of it. But...

Do you think this would work? Listen, I'm not here to say if this is going to be real or work. I'm just here to get your thoughts on it because it seems wild. Okay, I'm looking at it on the website and yeah, it just looks kind of like a roller skating knee pad, but obviously if you fall... Do you know what it looks like? It looks like the old football helmets, the leather ones that have individual padding all over it. Oh.

I don't think this is going to work. Here's the other thing. I saw the helmet thing, which was like, it was like a hoodie. And then when you, when it detects free fall, it's supposed to deploy the protection shield or whatever. And then you land and your head is protected. And that was like, okay, it should be easy to detect free fall. And then a YouTuber, I don't know if it was written link or someone else, but someone like got it, put it on and just like fell onto a mat five or six times and it didn't trigger once. And then they finally got it to trigger after they hit the ground. I was going to say. So. Dang.

Imagine this. You, like, fall down. You tear your sail. You're on the ground. You're like, oh. And then it explodes. It's even worse. Yeah. I don't know if I have faith in this one. I like the idea. And I think this would do great on Shark Tank. And then I think we would all realize it's a bad idea. Just based on the website, it's called Hippo, I think. Hippo. Yeah. I think it's an interesting idea because I do really, like...

If you're getting into the age where knee issues are more prominent, that's usually the age where a knee injury can kind of take you out of whatever sport you're really into. I mean, especially basketball, hockey, football. ACLs are the things where at a certain age... There's a player right now, Alex Ovechkin, who's actually chasing one of Wayne Gretzky's records, and he just had a knee injury the other day, and...

people are presuming it might be an ACL and he might not get the record now because he's already on that side of 30, which would be really sad. But I think like this is kind of an interesting idea. It is just pre-order. And when you pre-order, it says like enter in your email for a demo unit. So I don't know how close it is, but like,

Man, if I could have saved one of my ACLs and this just felt like a normal knee brace, I think I'd be super into it. Honestly, I think AI has a lot of potential to help injury prevention and just like sports science and sports medicine in general. Like that's...

That's where it should be the most useful. So I don't know if this exact product is necessarily a product of that or if it's a little early. But in general, I think stats and AI and numbers can help with athletic injury prevention at some point. One of the things they do say is that it's, which I'm guessing in terms of monitoring, you would always have to be wearing this, but it says part of the thing is analytics, which

measures like uh fatigue and strain and like being able to produce a workout plan to help you strengthen and keep because like yeah in all of these things i'm an idiot and i tore my acl probably because i did not do proper like strength training around your knee which is like super super important and when you play ultimate you play on the worst fields possible and just absolutely rip it up but uh yeah i don't know i thought it was kind of interesting and uh

Keep your knees safe, man. It's it sucks to hurt them. Can confirm. My knees have not been in great condition recently either. And I'm not even 30 yet. Just you wait, boy. I've been doing PT for my knees since March. Really? Yeah. Oh, my God. Good time. All right. I'll go last one. And this is needs to fix this.

Wow. Maybe it's working as intended. Last quick one. I've talked about this before. Alex Goldman, former host of Reply All, a podcast that I would argue if it didn't exist, Waveform might not exist because it was like the first podcast I ever listened to as a weekly basis type of thing. Alex Goldman had released two pilot episodes of his new podcast called Hyperfixed.

tomorrow which if you're listening to this was yesterday is it officially coming out on a twice a month basis and i cannot wait if you don't know about it it's pretty similar to something called two super tech support they used to do on reply all and they basically each episode is a problem someone brings to alex he tries to figure it out throws a bunch of cool anecdotes on the way he's just been great so far and i can't wait to just have like another normal podcast to like listen to on a regular basis

Cool. Cool. Did you listen to it? The pilots are really good. Okay. You should definitely listen. If you want the nostalgia of Reply All, it's 100% there. That's still my favorite podcast of all time. Yeah. Okay. Well, there's only one thing left to do here, and that is trivia. Yeah. All right. Update on the scores. Trivia. So quick update on the score. Question one. Okay.

We all know that kilowatts is a thousand watts, but which one of these is bigger? One dekawatt or one watt? David is deep in thought. I'm always deep in thought. Andrew looks angry. Correct. Marques is doodling. I don't know what's going to happen. I'm going to be so mad if I'm wrong. I'm going to be so mad. I'm going to feel exactly the same either way, which is mad. Flip them and read. What do we got? David? I put one watt.

wrong oh andrew so put what incorrect marquez i put deca watt correct the prefix deca means 10 and it was slippery because desse this prefix dessa is a tenth that's and i'm glad i got those damn look at roman emperor marquez brown i would like i did know decim and 10 and every part of my brain was like

This is too easy. It can't be that easy. That's why I was like, I'm going to be mad. So it sounds like it wasn't that easy. You had the thing to trick me on. I just didn't know the other thing to get tricked on. The original version of this was going to be. What's that? I was going to say, what's one kilohertz? What is one kilohertz? Like how many hertz is it? A thousand? Correct. Oh. I was hoping you would get in your head. Oh. Did you get my thing? No.

The what thing? What? You should've drawn the lady. Now I get it. It's one question mark. Got it. Hey, I got a point, guys. That's sick. That doesn't matter. I think I'm at, like... Question number two. We've already hinted at it, but how many points does everyone have?

Also, the other people are, is that going to be after? Just give me everything. Just, just throw it all. We need more time then. How many other people did you say? There is four people that are not you guys that are listed in our trivia scores. And you need to tell me what their score is. Wow. I didn't drink enough coffee this morning. You can probably hear it in my voice.

Let's see it. Good. Everyone else too? How did you guys write so fast? I was writing long before that. I started writing the minute I got the first one wrong. Is that cheating? Probably. I don't think so. Whatever. I mean, like, if you're ready to write it, you can keep writing. David, I'll give you 10 more seconds right now to finish writing. Okay. In the meantime, we're recording this podcast only like 38 minutes earlier than we normally record the podcast. Four.

But man, it just feels like we're mourning harder. It feels really mourning. It will not when we record Trivia Extravaganza directly after this. I'm getting excited for that. I'm ready. All right, Marques, I'm going to have you read everything first. Okay, so Marques, 21. Okay, this is great. David, 25. Andrew, 26. You thought that I was that far ahead of you? Apple, 1. Ellis, 1.

What? And then another one has one. Who? I don't know. And then someone else also has one. Two people do have one, but you did not say who, so I cannot give you those points. Can I go next? Marques, yes, you can. Also, Marques, it's hilarious. Almost every single guess, you are off by one. Wait, that makes me feel so good. All right, Andrew, let's see. I have Marques, 24. That is correct, as of his last point. Correct, I was... David at 24? No.

that is also correct andrew at 27. oh my goodness beth at one oh google at negative one he was at negative three oh oh well he's written it already andrew's gonna sweep us i have becca at one we did not do trivia with becca oh we didn't do trivia yeah shoot and i have adam as one okay i was on a roll there you missed one i missed

There's one person who's on this list that you did not name. Wait, was Adam on the list? It's not Adam. Adam and Becca are not on the trivia board. But you said there's four others, so I had to have missed two. Ellis, Google, Mystery, Mystery. You did say Ellis. I did not say Ellis. You didn't? I thought you did. Yeah, you did. Marcus said Ellis. Oh. What's the difference?

All right, what did you say? David. Okay. Let's see it. I put David 22. Wait, turn around. I don't believe you. Sorry. What? It's wrong. Oh, okay. Okay. Wow. Doesn't have any faith in me. David 22. Marquez 23. Andrew 27. Okay. Google negative one. Ellis one. And I put girl because I couldn't remember Beth's name. Beth can't get that one. If I don't get it for other. Sorry.

Look, I got you, Beth. I don't think Beth ever responded to that, so I don't even know if she was in there. I got Andrew's point, at least. You did. So David gets one point. Andrew gets four points. Ellis, we have listed on the board as carry the one. I don't remember why we made that joke, but I guess I'm carrying the one this time. All right, because you're just at one. Wait, that's one.

Mmm, that's not right. Yeah, wait, I think you should give more what? I have to give it to David. That's true. Girl. No, one. Oh, yeah. I think carry the one is different. That's bullshit. Nobody. No, nobody is going to put that. It was a joke.

You're carrying the one because you've got one. Okay, wait. Here. Yes, I agree. I'll throw it out there. I think if somebody wrote carry the one and they both put one, then they should be wrong. But since no one put carry the one and they put one, I think they should be right. Carry the one was the joke that was on top of the one being the score. I think we make the rules. When you guys do trivia, then you can decide. Unbelievable. Yeah.

Google was minus three because of that time that they wrote that article on their own blog where they got three things wrong about Google. Hilarious. I forgot. And apparently now we know they do that because they don't keep any internal company records. How would they remember? Delete it all. And then the one you guys did not get was David Pierce scored one trivia point. That's nuts.

I knew we had a guest that did it. Yeah. For some reason, I thought it was Becca. Okay, cool. See, my handwriting made it look like I wrote other, but I actually wrote David Pierce. Yeah, other David. That's what he put. Exactly. That's what I meant to say. That's fair. Well, you know, update on the score. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe one last score update. The final score update. Final score update before heading into trivia extravaganza.

Marquez with 24. Andrew with 31. Doesn't matter. David with 25. Doesn't matter. And all of those will soon mean nothing because the next episode is the trivia episode.

extravaganza season finale I don't know this is our third or fourth coming out I think it's like six wow I think it's like fifth yeah either way we've yeah that's the next trivia question did you know the first trivia extravaganza David was a host

I was looking back. And we had the old table. Yeah. That was a fun time. Wait, before you sign off, I just want to tell one funny story to get everyone hyped for Trivia Extravaganza, which is that Marques is a great boss. He gives his employees lots of creative freedom to do their best work. But the only creative disagreement that Marques and I have ever gotten into in my three years of working here. Do you remember this, Marques? It was whether to call it Trivia Extravaganza or Trivia Bonanza. Mm-hmm.

This conversation lasted like two weeks if I remember correctly. Really? Yeah. Wait, can I tell one other funny story about trivia extravaganza? Absolutely.

So we have like a work shared devices login for Apple ID. So there's like 20 different like random devices across the studio in it. So they were doing a test run of trivia extravaganza last yesterday with three different members of the team. I'm in the robot room doing a robot room with Brandon and just in the bottom corner, this Safari like icon pops up with a little iPad and it just says,

Safari iPad. I'm like, what is this? I've seen it pop up a couple times today. And I click it and up pops a browser window of Google Drive and just trivia extravaganza doc loads in. And I'm like, no, I quit out and I run over. And as that's happening, Adam and Ellis are screaming and running out of the thing. And we're both like, did you just see? Wait, did you see? I did not. All I saw was the title. He claims to not have read anything.

He claims to have read Trivia Extravaganza and only Trivia Extravaganza. We caught him instantly because we were running the show and Adam just goes, whoa, why is Andrew in this doc? It's because we have not shared the doc with him. And so we instantly get up, abandon the test contestants and run into the studio only to see Andrew running towards us like,

It's not what it looks like! It's not what it looks like! Right, and if a bank accidentally deposited a million dollars into my account, I'd totally go tell them that they shouldn't have done that. I mean, you should. You should. Right. Yeah, exactly. Right. They totally should, exactly. That's what I meant. Well, we take this very seriously, as you can tell, and...

Obviously, we have a lot of points at stake, ideally, like enough for me to get back into this thing. But yeah, stay tuned. That will be the next episode and it will be a banger as it always is. Until next time, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening and catch you in the next one. Peace. Wayform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Irvin. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro music was created by Vane. This won't work. All right, let's go. Teams is amazing. Why don't you believe in Teams? I'm hopping in the...

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