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What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. All three of us are here today to talk about Google's Pixel event. They've got a whole bunch of stuff that we kind of already saw coming, but now we get final confirmation of and we get to talk about how we feel about it. Also, in case you can't see, I am wearing the new Waveform t-shirt.

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but now you can get it here in case you're interested and and david's also wearing the uh more tessellation pattern i love this one together marquez and i equal the background we are this this is the updated logo this is the kind of like our sound panel awesome like tessellation like you said we also have a mug by the way which is this is a two coffee kind of date i just moved into an apartment and you better bet

All my mugs. Our way four mugs. All three of them. Hey, man. So we're going to get to all that stuff in this episode. But first, I just wanted to point out that you're welcome. We can edit tweets now. Now, there's a couple asterisks to that. I'll just I'll break down what that exactly means. So it's been in the works for a while. We knew Twitter was going to have an edit tweet button feature.

I don't know how many years I've asked for this. It's a very simple thing to do. Instagram has editing. Facebook has editing. We can edit on everything except Twitter, right? Okay. So it's rolling out to Twitter blue subscribers first, which is, you know, you have to be, it's three bucks a month or something like that, I think. And it's in beta and it's rolling out slowly to people who are subscribed. But basically...

You can tweet and then within 30 minutes of your tweet, if you found the typo or you tagged the wrong account or you want to add one more thing or punctuation, whatever, you want to edit the tweet, you can go in and edit it. And you can edit it multiple times in these 30 minutes, which is cool.

So what happens is the engagement for that tweet will show in aggregate, but on the timeline it will show that this is an edited tweet and you can expand to view the history of the edits and which engagements happened with which version of the tweet.

It's well executed, well thought out. I will continue to play with this, hopefully not on purpose, but I do make typos and I will be fixing them. Thank you, Twitter. I love it. It's funny. You've been asking for it so long that I feel like every time you give an example, you give it less and less of a chance that you're like, well, we should just get five minutes, like one edit.

Five characters. Five characters. Yeah. They give you half an hour and unlimited edits. Like they went really lenient with it. And I love it. I'm surprised it took that long if they're going to be that okay with all of it. But yeah. Kudos. Funny is like, this is such an old problem that it almost feels like one of those OG, like the lore of this product problems, kind of like how Half-Life 3 will never come out. You mean like an Instagram tablet app?

Low blow. No. Yes. Real quick question. You said coming out to Twitter blue users first. Does that mean to everybody eventually? That's a good question. I don't know. So right now I know that there's you can only edit tweets. You can't edit replies. You can't edit polls. You can't edit all sorts of things.

but they do plan on expanding it to all those things eventually. So that's why it's in beta now and they're going to continue to roll it out for all those things. I don't know if that means they're also going to allow everyone to edit.

eventually it's funny because i wondered you said polls i was like why couldn't you edit polls oh because change option one option two yeah and then you can change it but okay yeah yeah yeah yesterday they also uh rolled out being able to um do multiple media types at the same time so you can you can tweet which i've also been gif at the same time there's some great memes out there yeah there's one of like

The top two and left are Kirby sucking something up and the bottom is like a GIF or a video of something like getting pulled away. Every time there's a new feature, people will try to exploit it. That's exactly. I love it. Every, yeah. Every new feature, somebody just pushes it to the extreme. Somebody replied that I should just start hiding secret messages in edits. So like my timeline looks normal, but you can see my tweets are edited. And then if you expand every edited tweet, you can find a new set of tweets of a completely different topic.

We'll play with that. Throw some merch coupon codes in there. Oh, interesting idea. You should have Twitter notifications on, I guess. I really like that idea, actually. Follow us on Twitter for that. Noted. Well, we did have, at the time of this recording, the Google event today. We kind of...

new everything already, but we got some final confirmations. We got some final looks in hand. We got the prices and we got to know if there are new features or not. Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro, Pixel Watch, and an extra look slash teaser at this tablet that looms on the horizon for 2023.

Let's start with just the ecosystem of the rest of Google stuff. It felt like the whole event was like they right off the bat wanted to hammer an ecosystem, which I kind of I mean, I loved it was obvious. I think it's obvious that when the watch comes out, they kind of complete their personal ecosystem with the buds and the phone, whereas they're like home stuff is already kind of miles ahead of Apple. They also announced really quick.

two home things right before the event that they included in the event. Yeah. Nest Wi-Fi Pro and the new wired Nest doorbell. Yes. Which looks just like the wired one, but slightly smaller.

It looks just like the wireless one. Yeah, so I have the old wired doorbell and I see that the new one. So it's weird. My house has like a side door that nobody uses, but that's technically the front door. So that's where the wiring in the house is. So I have a normal old wired doorbell there. But the part of the house that all the delivery people go to isn't a normal door. So I got the wireless battery doorbell and that's where I stuck that one.

So that's one everyone uses. I think I'm just going to have to get a matching one now for the front door. Anyway, it looks solid. Can we real quick? You said you got to see the Nest Wi-Fi. Yeah. Can you tell us what it looks like? Because online it looks like a Tic Tac. Yeah, it looks really bad. It's big and like...

The last Google Nest Wi-Fi I thought was a really well-designed, really pretty product. It was this matte sort of like truncated sphere and it had speaker holes in the top and it could be used as a Google Assistant beacon. And I always used to say like I love that I can ask my Wi-Fi router what time it is and what the weather is when I wake up in the morning. That feels weird but awesome. Yeah.

It's like an extra benefit because you don't have to buy an extra speaker. Like in a room where you are often doing a lot of things, like maybe in your bedroom, you want a good Wi-Fi signal, so that's where you put the thing. Now you've got a speaker. Yeah, and I asked them because there were a bunch of product managers at the event. So the new Nest Wi-Fi Pro, one, the colors are...

Questionable Google has definitely been doing this weird like so pale pale pastel theme for the last couple of years now But they're they're really leaning into it and there's like a yellow speaker Which I don't know where you would put that or not speaker Wi-Fi router. Yeah, it's white. Yeah Slightly off-white. Yeah yellow fog, which is blue. Oh

Barely blue. And then yellow. And then yellow. Is it snow, linen, and lemongrass? Linen. I looked at the linen one and I was like, oh, it's white. And then I looked next to it and there was the actual white one. I was like, oh, okay, got it. Yeah. So it sort of looks, it looks badly designed. And I know that's really rough, but it's like, it looks like you took

You know those, Marques pointed this out to me in the car. You know at Easter when you have those eggs that are filled with candy and it's like two pieces and you break them open but you can see the seam? Looks exactly like that but really big. And they took the speaker out, which sucks, and I asked them why and they were like, we were looking at our user data, it just didn't really seem like people used it that much. And I was like, but...

That was my favorite part about it. Yeah. Wow. And now you have it in the cheaper one. But the only benefit is it has-- well, not only benefit, but it has Wi-Fi 6E, which gives you 6 gigahertz.

So if you're in the same room as it, you can get like gigabit over Wi-Fi, which is great. Yeah, well, you can get 5.4. Like you could over... 6, you could get 2 points, something, I think. 1.2, yeah. And then so 6E, you can get 5.4. It's also nice getting tri-bands because then you can like hook different devices up on different things, getting the extra 6 on it. Would you say, though...

So Google does their like pastel colors. If all of it was matte, do you think it would look better? Yes. Yeah. I don't know why they went glossy with them. It looks too much like Easter candy. I'm thinking that potentially the making it matte would have been

Had to use a different material or a different paint that like a six gigahertz signal could not really pass I wouldn't have even thought of something like that's my only because it looks like It's glossy and it almost looks plasticky and thin plastic like thin plastic. I think that's why yeah But I would have to ask them hopefully dbrand figure something out. Here's what i'll say. Uh

I have these Orbi routers now that I showed in the Home Tech video that are even bigger and even uglier. And so I pre-ordered these. I was like, this is actually an improvement. I switched to them specifically for Wi-Fi 6 and to get better speeds. So yeah, we'll see. The funny thing, one quick story about that real quick, is there was a guy that walked over and started talking to the product manager. And he was like, oh,

so beautiful and she was like aren't they just gorgeous and i was like no no sir anyway yeah so that was that it's a family of products now yeah yeah and then the doorbell actually the colors that the doorbell came in were those look great i like those a lot yeah i'm also i don't know why they ever did the wireless doorbell everyone i know that has one is like i just wish it was wired so i'm glad they finally did the new one gives an old thing the wireless is like

only useful if you have that problem that I have, which is your front door is weirdly not wired for some reason. Or if you're in like an apartment or something like you could, I think it's great for apartments or house or like rental property. Um, but like,

I don't know. A lot of people buying these have a home and would rather just hardwire it and not charge it every three weeks. Yeah. Same. So three weeks is just too frequent. Yeah. It's way too frequent. Yeah. Make it a year and then I'll start. Especially something that's like kind of based on your safety. Like you're having a security cam, like to see things that happen at your house. And then after three weeks, if you forget, you're like, I'll do it tomorrow. And then you just,

off, off, off, and then you get robbed or a package gets stolen or something and you've missed it all completely. This is the part where you put a recurring task reminder in your task app. Or they just put a wire on it and then it's, so yeah. Yeah, problem solved. Problem solved. All right, we're doing watch first. Is that what's happening? I think let's do watch. All right, we'll save the 7 and 7 Pro for after this. So Pixel Watch is a thing. We were waiting for it for a while. I think the number one question I get from people outside of the tech world about a Google Watch is like,

Are they going to make an Apple Watch but for Android phones, basically? I wouldn't describe it that way. I would describe it like a Fitbit turned into a watch. Now, it still does a lot of both things. It does most of the Apple Watch stuff, right? It gives you your notifications. We'll let you use Google Assistant, reply to messages, voice text, all this normal smartwatch stuff. And then all of the fitness parts are Fitbit. They're all...

actually in the Fitbit app, actually. It talks to the Fitbit app on the phone. So heart rate tracking, fitness data, wellness, all these sorts of things, your sleep tracking and a sleep score when you wake up in the morning, all of that is happening through Fitbit. So the way it's described is like who would want to buy this thing? It's a Fitbit user who wants a little bit more of a smartwatch for like the phone notifications or someone who is considering getting a smartwatch but really wants Fitbit stuff in it.

So it's a really small, lightweight, one size, 24 hour battery life. That's the worrying part. They said up to 24 hour battery life. Oh, for sure. Yeah, that's kind of scary. We'll see how that goes. It's a very small watch. Like I wouldn't expect a good battery life out of it. It's really small. I put it on my wrist next to the Ultra.

Dwarfs it yeah dwarfs it but that's the that's the Google pixel watch you had a tweet earlier that I really liked I think you said that they should have just renamed it Google Fitbit and then like I I don't like that I have to do a new app on my pixel because I would rather just use Google fit like they should just change the Google fit app Into the Fitbit app. It's gonna connect all together. Anyways, I don't think it's bad to

that they're using Fitbit. It's clearly they have years and years of practice with this. They've been doing all the tracking and stuff. I think it's great that Fitbit users can come to the Pixel Watch and have all their...

They're you everything they're used to have all their information and it's like a tried-and-true tracker already. I do like that I do think there's some people who just don't have a smartwatch that might be excited to get this knowing that Fitbit's been around for a while Yeah, but the double app it would make me more sense if the Google fit app was just now the same Yeah, I talked to like all of the project managers at the event and I talked to the pixel watch one, too And I said, okay. Do you need the Fitbit app in?

the Google Fit app and he's like well we're really recommending that people use the Fitbit app for this and that's really what this is designed for I'm like so so strange Google Fit is just sort of thrown to the sideline he's like well you could use that you know if you wanted to use that

I'm just thinking like okay, and I think there were reports a couple of weeks ago that Google is going to force you to switch over to a Google account instead of a Fitbit account like you're gonna move your Fitbit account over to being a Google account, okay But you still use the Fitbit app and I don't know this is they need to truncate it like yeah if they just called it Google Fitbit and

That's all they have to do because it's a recognizable Fitbit name. They just call it Google Fitbit and they either use all the data and features from the Fitbit app and then make it in the Google style like Google Fit or they just like, you know, use the Fitbit app and then just call it Google Fitbit and get rid of Google Fit. If it's confusing to me, it's going to be confusing to lots of first time smartwatch users. Yeah. They said in the setup, it will prompt you to download Fitbit, but it does not prompt you to download Google Fit. Oh,

I bet there's going to be people who buy it are like, why is this isn't a Fitbit? Why is it telling me to download? Yeah. But I think there are people who are going to be just like, Oh, it's a, it's a Google watch or it's the pixel watch. Why is it telling you? I didn't buy a Fitbit. And not notice that there's like a connection there that Google owns it. Yeah. Yeah. The watch though, it's, it's,

it's small, but it's also way thinner than it looks like in the, yeah, in the renders. It's quite thin. I can't wait to see that. It's not like, you know, super, super flat, but it's, it's pretty thin. But that also worries me about the battery life, right? Yeah. It's elegant. It's really nice looking. I like it. There's some bands. Can I hear your thoughts on like, I'll say one thing that I've,

thought looked really cool. I kind of think it has the same issue as what I thought the pixel six did last year is all the video I'm seeing of it looks like a render and I'm having a hard time imagining it in real life. Yeah. The coolest thing about it, I thought was how the band attaches. I think that's actually really cool. I don't know if it sounds like you guys had some issues with it based on that, but the way they showed it seemed really neat. Okay. We like Apple. This is one of those things where I think we will.

But so this is actually a pretty underrated thing. Like Apple's had the same way of attaching bands since the first watch, which doesn't sound like a huge deal, but that's because if you change the way it attaches, it's like changing a port. Like all of the previous bands that every accessory maker anyone ever bought doesn't work anymore. So it's really important to get the way the watch band connects to the watch right the first time so that that's how you just keep it for as long as possible. So they demoed this like elegant new way of like clicking out and rotating it to the side and

I tried it, and granted I was trying it on camera, but I tried it many times, and it is not easy. - Okay. - Yeah. - I have big fingers maybe, I don't know, but it's kind of like this awkward push down and then rotate over the part that you just pushed. So I got it to work.

But I don't know, I change Apple Watch bands on the regular just like real quick. And I don't know if that's just because I got used to it real quick or if it's because this is a better way of doing it. It's probably definitely a muscle memory thing because I don't change my Apple Watch band very often at all. And when I do, it's like I kind of have to dig my finger in and kind of press it and then it slides off really fast. So maybe it's just I'll have to do it more often. I change my watch band every day because I sleep in one band and I wear a different band every day.

Oh, okay. Well, I mean, this is like a normal rubber band, but I have like a softer like band or whatever. So once a day, I just... Yeah, to be fair, I was there with the camera being like this, and Marques was like trying to keep it in focus because we had this narrow field of focus. So he was like trying to do it sort of at a weird angle. So we'll see over the next week or so how that... You guys saying that made me think now, though, that like third-party watch bands for this...

are going to be a pain in the neck, even if it works perfectly. Thinking about how that works, that's far harder than like this small little just diameter that has to slide in or like Samsung Garmin are generally pretty easy because it's just a pin that you press in and slide in there.

The advantage to this is there are no visible lugs. So you have these really elegant, like seamless looking bands that don't appear to connect to the watch. They just like, they look like they just come out of the watch. They look really cool. And I understand why they did it this way. Mm-hmm.

We'll see how long it takes to get used to that. Yeah. I think the bands look good. The quality of them did not feel nearly as good as the Apple Watch bands, but I feel like it's, I don't know, it's a Gen 1 thing. No trail over time. They were really cool looking bands, like super cool looking bands, but they just felt like tough and they weren't stretching at all. The one that I tried...

And this maybe is where we ended, but it was really stretchy and it was kind of like a trail loop. It didn't have a Velcro part, but it was like a solo loop. And it was like a felt. It was like a white fabric. Yeah, white fabric, but it was stretchy. And it was comfortable. That one was super comfortable, but I was just worried that it was white fabric. And I feel like if you sweat at all in that, it's just going to turn yellow. The trail loop we have. I'll sleep in that one, I think. That'll be my sleep tracking band. Your pillow band. Exactly. Exactly.

Really quick question about the bezel on the Pixel watch, because it's kind of the thing that we all saw was there, but it was hard to see. And then they're really showing it this time and it looks kind of brutal. Is it as bad in person? You know how if you were a product designer and you're making a phone with a huge notch, then you would design wallpapers around hiding that notch? Yes, Samsung and Apple did that. That's this watch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because the bezel is definitely big.

But everything about the UI has a gradient into darkness. So even the flashlight app on the watch. There's a flashlight app. Obviously, it's not that bright. It's like way dimmer than the Apple Watch. But it's bright in the center. And then as you get near the bezels, it like tapers off into just turning the pixels off. To make it...

Their whole idea is like, we never want you to be able to see a UI element touching the bezel because if you can't see it, then the bezel, unless you're in direct sunlight, just kind of looks like part of the screen.

It's definitely a thicker bezel, but the way that they designed the UI theoretically makes it look not huge. The thing is, it's already a small watch. They did one example that shows that not working, which was the viewfinder for when you're taking a picture. Oh my God, that was the worst example I've ever seen. The square, like, oh my God. They did so much work hiding the bezel in every other thing, and then you got to see it there. Also, can I just say, when the Moto 360 came out in 2013... Thin bezels.

thin bezel. Yes, it had the flat tire, but whatever. It wasn't that bad. It looked nicer, in my opinion, than this watch. And I remember one of the first third-party apps that came out was a remote camera shutter. And I remember using that all the time. And it filled the entire thing. It wasn't like, here's the entire image in a square format. It filled the whole screen of the... I don't know. It feels like they forgot everything that happened in the last nine years. Yeah.

So, I don't know. I feel like we need to use it and then see how it is. Yeah, for sure. In a dimly lit environment, the OLED is black and does a good job of fading into the black bezel. Yeah. But we shall see. In most scenarios, yes. But we'll see. $349 for that watch. It'll be $399 with cellular. We'll try it. We'll review it. Stay tuned. We got to take a break. So, we'll do a quick trivia question. But when we come back, we got to talk about the phones, of course.

All right, trivia. So the score is David has four, Andrew has eight, and Marques has seven.

So because at the Apple event we did, we did Apple themed questions. This one we're doing Google themed questions. Oh, I'm going to slay. Remember those Apple themed questions, Andrew? No, not really. Oh yeah. So should I just give you the answers first or? Yeah, yeah. Answers first. All right. Which of the following was not the name of a color for a Google product?

Oh, pixel product. Yeah. Okay. Sort of sunny, clearly white, not pink, or not really black. I know the answer. I know this. Come on. Yeah. Maybe that's because I pay too much attention to the puns that people make about the colors. Yeah. Anyway. All right. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.

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All right, we're back. Let's talk about the phones. Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro are officially official. Now we've seen these phones in renders and various teasers from Google over and over and over and over and over and over again for the past couple weeks. Since May. Yeah, we finally have prices and we finally have specs and features. So there's the 6.3-inch flat 1080p

90, 90 Hertz or 60, 90 Hertz pixel seven. Uh, it has a 43, 55 million power battery and eight gigs of Ram.

And it has a regular camera and an ultra-wide on the back. And then a new selfie camera. It gets up to 1400 nits, which is really impressive. The screen on the Pixel 7 looks substantially better than the 6. Does it? Yes, it does. Okay. Yeah. It looks good. Then you have the Pixel 7 Pro, which adds a telephoto, which is a new 5X telephoto camera. It has a larger, I believe, 5000 mAh battery. It has a slightly curved over the edges 1440p 120Hz LTPO OLED screen.

It's curved slightly less. Oh, yeah, then the 6 Pro. Okay happy to note that I was I was curious if that would be true or not They didn't even say it in the keynote, but it is curved like less over the edge just like s20 to s21 remember how S20 ultra was way too curved and then 21 it was like perfect. Oh

Yeah. They went back. They went over it and then they went back. If you're comparing to S21 Ultra, this all... Well... Okay, yeah, yeah. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We'll get there. Baby steps. But, you know, there's two new phones. Also, the big one has four extra gigs of RAM. Um,

Um, it's the new tensor G2 chip. I mean, these phones really aren't about specs. It's more, and I'll talk about this in the, in the impressions video when we, when we get to making that later today, but it's about, it's more about like the features and being helpful and being like a really smart smartphone. So I almost like didn't care what the specs were like there. No, they're the same internals with a little more Ram on the bigger one. Um,

But I don't know. First impressions, like the design is it still looks like a pixel, but instead of glass visor, it's metal visor this time. I don't know yet if I prefer that or not. I kind of think I prefer the glass. Really? I don't know. I like the metal. I don't like the cutouts of it. So I'm like...

I'm 50-50 on it. I think once you see the phones, you will be happy. Okay. In my opinion. I think I'm leaning towards wood. What's nice is that last year we were like, this feels like a bunch of different random parts like glued together because even the camera visor. I'm taking the skin off. Yeah, take the skin off. I'm going to show you this. The camera visor is a separate part to the side rails. Yes. In this one. It's all one solid piece. That's the biggest difference. And it just makes it feel higher quality. I still hate that they're glossy phones because I think matte would have been amazing, but

Oh, man, I miss Pixel mat. Oh, my goodness. Pixel 4 mat with, like, mat edges. Yeah, and 3. That seam right there is its unibody on the metal. And the metal just feels really good. Of course. And the cutouts in the camera don't look that bad. It's not that bad. I think you'll like it. So the more interesting parts is the features, which is we were looking forward to, like, okay, what are they going to do with this phone that they couldn't do with the Pixel 6? So, Tensor G2...

They basically take advantage of the fact that they know they can do a bunch of this computational photography, speech-to-text. If you're sending a voice note in Google Messages, it'll transcribe it so you can see the text before you play the voice note, which is interesting. I really think the most interesting stuff is all in the cameras. Wait, before we get to that, can I tell you my favorite thing and what makes me want a Pixel 7? Face unlock is back.

oh yeah i'm so happy about that i miss it so much i hate my fingerprint sensor on my pixel 6 and i want face unlock back and i think did they said it's a g2 thing right yeah so okay and i it was it only on the pro or was it no no it's on both trust me that was the first thing i looked at for all they said it's using machine learning which means there's no special like hardware for it which means they're using a 2d image and using ml don't care

I just want it. Okay. I'm just saying, remember how people were using the fingerprint reader and it was unlocking each other's phones like two weeks ago? I'm just wondering if people are going to be able to unlock each other's phones. We'll see. It's not going to be as secure as some of the better ones out there, but I just want it so bad. They also said the fingerprint sensor was new and better. Okay.

I will be testing that. Yeah. That's what I'm going to be on. Mine's mostly for chalked up hands when I'm climbing. Like if it's new and better, it's not going to get it anyways. And I just want face unlock back really bad. So I'm very, very excited. Okay. Yeah. Well, I just like that is one camera feature uses the camera. Okay. You're right. You're that is a camera feature, but around the back we do get, um, a, it's the same primary camera.

It is a slightly updated ultra-wide with autofocus now, so it can take better macro shots. Only on the Pro. Only on the Pro. The Pixel 7 uses the same ultra-wide as before. And the Pro also has a new telephoto. It's a 5X telephoto.

And what they're doing is a little more of that is, okay, rewind. My favorite moment of the keynote was at the beginning, they took this little opportunity to go, oh, you know, we really like when our competitors are inspired by our features. Pixel has always been a leader in smartphone innovation. And we take it as a compliment when others in the industry follow our lead. Like the always on display and at a glance introduced with Pixel 2.

and adopt them because they're really good. You know how we had an always-on display back with the Pixel 2? And you know how we had crash detection three years ago? And the crowd was kind of like, ha-ha, y'all so clever, Google, well played. I liked it. Then nine minutes later, they were like, introducing cinematic mode and face unlock and all these things you've never seen before. And so the one interesting thing that the iPhone just did that I think is smart

is they take a crop of the middle 12 megapixels of the camera for basically an optical level of zoom. They do that on the primary camera, so it goes from 50 to 12.5 megapixels.

And then the telephoto is also a high resolution, so they can do the same thing. So they'll go 5x and then crop in there 10x is another optical zoom. And then they have these like haptic stops in the zoom in the software. So you can feel when you get to 2x, 5x, 10x, and those are like good levels of zoom to try to use more often. It goes up to 30. Yeah. So that's...

Pretty cool. Super res zoom for all the little weird stops in between. I'm excited to test, you know, using the cameras, how well they handle zooming, but that's like more interesting on the specs is like what features they would add. And it seems like they're doing a lot of camera stuff. Yeah. Something that's really interesting to me about the zoom is that they admitted on stage. Cause when you, when you take the center pixels and then you use that as a crop to get an optical zoom, um,

you're using smaller pixels because you were previously turning those pixels into bigger super pixels and now you're using smaller pixels which means you're gonna have a noisier image and they admitted that on stage they're like oh

oh, but you know, so we're doing that, but then you have smaller pixels. So what we're doing, and then they talked about this whole pipeline change where they're re-mosaicing the Bayer array to like make it better. I don't, I need to talk to them more about what exactly they're doing, but they like seem to be aware of it, whereas Apple didn't even acknowledge that.

- I think it's pretty classic Google, using software to overcome hardware problems. - Yeah, always. I remember the Pixel 3 briefing we went through, they were telling us about all these things for zooming. I think I'm at the point where until I see a zoom photo that I'm like, that looks great. I'm just not going to believe any of this.

- I have such a hard time being excited for a Zoom and a smartphone at this point. - The phones at the event were preloaded with like a bunch of pictures that were taken on like Pixel 7 Pro. And I will say that like, at least,

you know the photos that they show exactly yeah um every zoom level looked pretty great until you got to 30x and then look terrible okay it was like a watercolor at that point yeah it was kind of like the samsung like 100x zoom when they first announced it and everyone was doing the comparison photos and like yeah you can do 100 but it what is that what am i looking at oh that's the tower from a thousand miles away yeah i feel like i always say if i'm using the zoom it's to like

I'm taking that picture to prove I saw something, not to post as a nice picture. The minute I zoom in on my smartphone, I've given up on quality completely, and it's a proof. I would say 5X maybe you could use for a portrait shot, but beyond that, it's like... Okay, that's an interesting point. Yeah, because 5X would just be the telephoto. Yeah. I think the coolest feature is something that might not end up staying as a Pixel 7 exclusive.

and that is the unblur feature. Okay, so they showed on stage, basically you have a Pixel 7 or 7 Pro, either one, it has the Tensor G2 chip, and you can take a photo in your Google Photos library, whether or not it was taken on the phone,

And if it has a slightly blurry face or a slightly blurry, maybe it was shaking a little bit, not even just faces, just whatever. Yeah, they said it'll detect blur or it'll detect things that are slightly out of focus. Yeah, and it will go, oh, this seems like you'd want to unblur it. And it'll surface the unblur button, which is always available. You hit the unblur button and it uses AI and sharpening and ML and blah, blah, neural, blah, blah. Google does its magic and creates a sharper image

Fixed photo, basically. It's very impressive based on the three or four demos that I saw in person. I've got to try this now. I have lots of blurry photos in my Google Photos library. I say that it might not stay exclusive because remember Magic Eraser? And lots of other features. But that started as a Pixel 6 exclusive and now that's just a thing you can do now. So, unblur.

Seems cool. Yeah. Probably don't need a pixel for it. You know what's hilarious is that because they added the thing in the Pixel 6 where it'll use the ultra-wide camera to also take an image and then strap it in, it's like they have so many ways to avoid blur now that...

At at point of capture they're avoiding blur and now they're also getting rid of the blur after point of capture Yeah, so it's just like no photos will ever be blurry ever again. Oh our parents will figure out how to mess But I do I do like that you can you can do it on any image So I have like a lot of film photos that I've taken that are slightly out of focus. Yeah, and theoretically it could fix that. Oh

It's not really the same photo anymore. I think that's cool. It's pretty cool that you can bring in other things that you haven't even taken on the phone, let alone even maybe like a smartphone. I'll be interested to see how well it does, but...

I don't know. They do pretty good on that. I hope it does well and this isn't just the chain link fence example. Well, at least I got to see it in action. At least you kind of saw it already. I got to see it actually work. Is it called remastering? When you like, you know those photos someone will take like an old like sepia photo and they'll like restore it or whatever or something like that? Colorized. Yeah, colorized and they'll like take an old photo and like make, you can like see into the past more sharply. It kind of feels like that sort of magic. Like Google's just making that possible on a phone. Yeah.

Which they also have color eyes in Google Photos now. So they basically will just turn old garbage photos into great photos. Yeah.

I'm in. Yeah. Grandma, I'm coming for you. It's going to be your birthday present. You're going to have all these high school yearbook photos from the 60s looking like 4K photos. Yeah. Love it. Yeah. But to your point on how long it's going to stay a Pixel exclusive. We should make a bet. Yeah, we should make a bet. I'm pretty sure that the servers that Google runs all of its Google Photos stuff on run Tensor processors too, or Tensor processing units too.

So, I mean, I could see three to five months this just coming to everybody. Right now it feels like it's definitely like a marketing thing that it's like, please buy our pixel because we have this exclusive feature. But Google pretty much always rolls out the exclusive pixel features into all devices through Google Photos. I think this kind of loops into the benchmarks video that we did this week, which is there are pieces of silicon that

Of the system on a chip that is that are designed for certain tasks to accelerate them and make them really good Google's for a while now they've had cool things for like speech-to-text like you just ramble at your phone and it's immediately transcribing everything you say There's a new recorder app. Well, it's the same recorder. Yeah, but there's an update to it. That's coming later It's not at launch, but it has speaker labels. They blew my mind with it because I

When they were giving me the walkthrough, they were talking about certain things and I was replying and they were talking. And then the guy took his phone out of his pocket and showed me that the whole time it was recording and had speaker labels and they were accurate. That's a great demo. I was like, that is great on-device processing. In his pocket? In his pocket. Damn.

So when I see-- - That's like a, is this your card moment? - Yeah, like it. - It's like, you've been writing all that down? So when I see this unblur feature, I imagine it probably works best on device because Tensor G2 has the horsepower in that special part of the silicon for that function. Great. It'll probably just be slower and slightly worse on other phones that aren't the new Pixel 7. - Yeah. - Fine. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I have one more thing, yeah.

I really, really liked they showed like Google always talks about inclusivity and accessibility a lot. They've talked about skin tones a lot in terms of their camera stuff. But I really, really liked the section where they have a new feature for the selfie camera, where if you are visually impaired, it can voice talk to you about how to like maybe set up your shot a little better so that people who are visually impaired can take selfies without needing somebody else to help them at all. Yeah, I just thought that was like,

Such a good idea and I'm so surprised we haven't seen it before. One face. Move your phone slightly left and down. Move your phone slightly right and up. Ready for selfie. Three, two, one. Photo taken. One face. Oh my god, I love this. Move your phone right and up. Ready for selfie. Wait, I want to get my light. One face. Photo taken. This is so cool. It's a great idea. I saw a demo of it. Shout out to Molly Burke, fellow YouTuber in the demo for that.

Also, the selfie camera is really wide. Did you notice that? I saw the number. The ultra-wide is wider, and the new selfie camera is also wider. Yeah. Yeah, the selfie camera, because it's 11 megapixels now, I believe. So I think when it's, so by default, you open the selfie app, and it's cropped in to like probably eight or something. Yeah. But you can zoom out. Okay. And it's really, it's like Pixel 3 XL wide. 92.8 degree field of view. I think that's about what Pixel 2, sorry, Pixel 3 XL. Oh, it was so good. It was so good.

11 megapixels is so unfortunate because it's right below 4K. Underneath 4K, which is 12 megapixels. Yeah, you need like 12.3 or something. So close. So it's 10.8, apparently. Oh, really? Basically, 11, I just want to before someone gets mad at the point 2. I want to just...

So I won't do 4k video. I just love that. It's super super wide again. I've been waiting for that forever. So yeah, yeah same prices Prices as last year and that's not okay. I gave the pixel 6 my value phone of the year I think 599 for the base phone is great. Totally. I still don't know how you justify spending 300 more dollars on the pro

Because we were thinking about that last year where it's like, what are you really getting for $300 more? Telephoto, 120 hertz, bigger battery. That's mostly what you're getting. Is that $300 more phone? It's the same thing this year. It's LTPO, telephoto, bigger battery.

same four more gigs of ram like that's it and i'm not sure if they just liked the way the last year's phone sold so they didn't want to change anything i'm not sure if it's look we need to look like a premium phone so we need to charge premium phone money because that's what it has to look like on a shelf a combination of things but that's the new it's the same price as last year i do think um

I think in their mind and something they said in the event was they're comparing the top phone to other flagships, which is this is cheaper than other flagships. It is. So therefore, the $899 price isn't the worst, but it makes it feel worse when your other phone is really good and so cheap. So they're almost like biting themselves by doing that because that's a great price phone. This isn't a bad price phone if you want to actually compare it to other flagships. It's a great price.

Are they screwing themselves over? I'm not going to complain. I love the $600 price tag. Here's how I'll phrase it. If the 7 doesn't exist, the Pixel 7 Pro looks like a good deal because you're like, wow, you're undercutting all the $900, the $1,000 phones out there that it's being compared to. Am I having deja vu right now? Yeah, but the second you put them both in the lineup, then you're like, oh,

Yeah, no, it's $300 cheaper to get almost the same phone. Yeah, I think the only thing that they kind of leaned into more to try to separate the phones this year is that because it's 5x zoom, and then all of the magic they're doing that allows you to zoom in to like 20x and have it still look good. Like on the Pixel 7, you can't do any of that. I agree, but... I know, $300...

I would save $300 and not be able to zoom. And then the wider ultrawide, it's 21% wider on the Pixel 7 Pro, and it has the autofocus pixels, which allows you to do macro mode. Not that anyone really cares about macro. No, that is a good point. Actually splitting the ultrawide up a little more does add one more step to it. And the zoom stuff. 5x zoom versus 3x, and then allowing you to do 20x and still look good, I think is...

But when I held them both personally, and I think I might even have said this last year, I think the pixel seven feels higher quality than the seven pro just because of the form factor and how big it is. But the flat screen actually, the flat screen, I think makes it feel better. Yeah. It's thin bezels and flat screen.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's a good material. It's not like, it's not like the one plus nine regular, which felt like absolute trash because the back was like really bad quality. Yeah. It feels like a good, like for five 99, the seven feels very premium. I will say that. Yeah. We're complaining, complaining about it here, but this is honestly a good problem for pixel to have because like, or Google to have, because the people who are making this comparison between them are still debating between two Google phones. So true. I,

I mean, like it's a pretty good problem to have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Same price as last year. I'm going to start testing them. Yeah. Figure it out. We'll see if they're worth it. We'll see if the differences are deeper than we're realizing now. But that's the Pixel 7 and Pixel 7 Pro. They did also give us a preview of of a mysterious tablet that looms on the horizon. We'll talk about that after one more break. Right. But that does mean it's time for one more trivia question.

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Welcome back. We're going to talk about Pixel Tablet next, which is kind of something I don't think anyone expected to hear much more about, right? Because it's a next year product. Well, this is the weird Google thing they're doing is they're just teasing everything they're going to do soon. A year in advance. So that when it leaks, they're like, well, we showed everybody already. What is a leak if we just give it to you? I mean, I wasn't expecting it. So I almost felt like all the leaks of the Pixel 7 and stuff, even though we knew about the tablet, we weren't expecting to learn more. And we did. Mm-hmm.

And so I just want to say when we were sitting and watching this, they opened up the whole event and they're talking about design where they kind of showed off everything. Right. And they, they showed the tablet, but it was kind of on like a, it was on an end table on the couch. And I was like,

is that a nest hub or a tablet? I think it is. And Hiyado said, oh, it's just a nest hub. It's supposed to look exactly like it. And I went, wouldn't it be sick if it had a docking station that turned it into a nest hub? You're freaking out. I feel like we had the same thought. Yeah, it's just the most brilliant thing ever.

It's so simple. It's awesome. It's awesome. I love it so much. Okay, you know what's even more telling? What? Is that I walked over to like the area where they had all the products and stuff. And there was a Google like product specialist. And I was like, is this the tablet? And she was like,

Oh, no. Yeah. I had that moment. I had that moment where I walked up to him and the person in front of me just picked it up and tried to take it off. And I was like, oh, no, that's just the nest. No, it's so for the listeners, like the the base looks exactly like the base of the nest hub. It's sort of like that fabric. And then you just like it's got these pogo pin contacts and it's magnetic and you slap it against the thing. And for me, this makes so much sense because I love the nest hub already.

So for me, I'm not even buying a Pixel tablet. I'm buying a Nest Hub that detaches so that I can just randomly use it as a tablet in the few circumstances that I want to. - I couldn't be more on the same page. I just like, the minute I saw it, I was like,

Like this is a Nest Hub that I will love. I can detach it for when I'm hosting if I want to like walk around my house and like play different music or if I go to my backyard and I'm controlling music or controlling lights or like maybe seeing if someone's at the door, I have it with me. And then the very few times I would want a tablet is like,

downloading movies for the plane or something like that where I don't need to buy a crazy tablet. I can just pop it off my Nest Hub and take it on the trip with me. -It's so smart. -It does make a lot of sense. I want to know what their solution is for needing two different UIs.

I guess maybe when you pop it in the pins, it goes, oh, I'm a hub now. Probably. And does all the hub stuff where like if the doorbell rings, it takes over the whole screen. Where if it's a tablet and the doorbell rings, it's just a notification. So they probably have this sort of a switching mode where you know when your tablet, when it's on the pins. Cool. Also, this is maybe this is just picky of me, but I only use...

Most of the time I use my tablet at home, it's on a stand, like in a folio case, like on the kitchen table or something. So if I want to do that with this one, I need to pop it off of the stand and then put it in the folio case. And then when I put it back, I take it out of the folio case and put it back on the stand. That's fine. I can deal with that. I think it's a good idea.

I think the scenario, you say you usually use a tablet at home. I don't think this is for you. That's my take from it. This, I want this because I'm not a tablet person. Yeah. And there are a few situations like media consumption where I would want it. And I am like,

That's what this is for. This is mostly for me going to be home automation and the Nest Hub. And then I get the benefit of a tablet that I don't need to be super intense every once in a while when I need it. Yeah, absolutely. I'm not a tablet person whatsoever. I've never found use for them, but like,

I love the Nest Hub. So just being able to use it as a tablet if I need to in these rare circumstances just makes so much sense. And I think just for the record, I'm pretty sure Lenovo made this exact product like five years ago. Yeah, I know. I know. I know. Just around the time of the like original Google Home. I'm pretty sure that they made like an Android tablet that mounted and became a smart display.

But because it wasn't supported by Google in the way that this is, where it acts and looks like an S-dub, my biggest question now is how good are the speakers going to be? Because the... In the bass? I don't know if the bass is a speaker. It is. It is? I would assume it is. It's a magnetic speaker dock.

In that case, everything is amazing. Let's go party, baby. Let's go. Sounds like the speakers in the tablet don't have to be that great because they can just be normal tablet speakers. And then they pop it on to the speaker dock and then it's got everything you need. This is the greatest Google product ever. It might be. I'm so excited. I will be interested. I will be interested. A couple of things. Price, obviously. What is this price going to be? Specs on it.

I'm kind of, are you assuming this is going to be a like cheaper? They said it's running temper. Okay. So I guess I don't even know what that necessarily means. It's good. Is this going to be a competitor to like a top of the line iPad? I don't think it should be. I don't care about that. I wouldn't say. I think that's important. What you just said. Like people who, like the 80% of tablet users who are just like, I think, what was the stat on stage? Like 80% of tablets are homebodies. Yeah. Never leave the house.

they're on the living room couch most of the time it's the kids watching videos it's Netflix on the plane casual stuff that person this is great for them and that person doesn't need an A15 Bionic or whatever like the iPad Pro and all those expensive tablets that have these crazy super high end features are for the fringe of people who are like maybe this can be my only computer like that type of level tablet user great nobody's cross shopping those I think this can be a $600 tablet

I'm hoping less. Yeah, $600. You turn it into your Nest Hub. You don't have to spend $200 on a Nest Hub now. How much is a Nest Hub Max? It's a Max? Yeah. I'm assuming screen size is probably pretty more similar to the Max. $230. You guys didn't even get to see it, right? No. No, no, no. Well, I thought I saw it. Yeah, you thought you saw it. Even the product manager didn't know if it was just like, I don't really know. Because I'm...

I'm going to guess it's closer to the Nest Hub Max size for the screen, right? Yeah, 10 inch. So how much is a Nest Hub Max? $230. Nest Hub Max came out in 2019, by the way. I remember going to the IO for that. That was three years ago. I still use mine every day. They're awesome. Yeah. They're great. I love this product. It's so much. I cheered. What do you think the price should be for this tablet?

Do you want like a super optimistic or like how it's so much gonna depend on how what the specs are on the thing what it's got huge bezels so I'm just automatically going to guess the cheaper and right I want to say five to six hundred I think using context like you are big bezels tensor chip fine like doesn't need a ton of rammer high-end specs and

And iPad Air is what, 500? This can be at or under iPad Air. I think it will be under. I think it'll be 450 to 500. That's my guess. I'm going to guess...

- Whoa. - Okay, so one thing that is interesting is when you scale up production of chips, which they get to do now, think about this, Tensor was only used in Pixels before. How many Pixels did they sell?

More than any other pixel but not that many and in retrospect if they're able to use tensor g2 in another product that they're gonna be shipping a lot of The overall unit price of tensor g2 will go down if that's the case. They might even be able to make this cheaper that's why the the

iPhone wow I just iPod phone it's been a long day that's why the iPhone SE is able to run the flagship chip because the they make just an absolute crap load of a6a 15s and they can just put it in everything you know yeah so you're on 399 somewhere in there I think either 349 or 399 well 349 would be great

I'm like...

- I'm a little skeptical of how cheap it will be just because the last cheap Google tablet was horrific and I don't think they want to make sure it's good. - That ran an Intel process. - Yeah, yeah, that was pretty, so like I do, yeah. I'm more getting excited the more you two talk about this. I thought it was gonna be kind of expensive. I'm worried it's gonna be too much of like trying to compete with the top tablets and then it's gonna be this like, if it's like a thousand dollar thing, it's gonna be a total flop. I want it to be cheap. I want it to be like,

just a decent tablet that's like we've said i feel like this is only going to be for adults because like if you give your kid a tablet right you can give them like a cheap kindle fire and they're just going to be using it only a tablet all the time and they never like a kid is not going to walk up to the counter and mount this never never gonna do that i would not give my kid the option to do that right so if that's the case then like

I feel like it's mostly going to be media consumption device, so it could probably get away with like three gigs of RAM. You could make it cheaper, honestly, I feel like. $399 would be a dream. I would be so happy if it was $399. I think it will be. Or $349, one of the two. I'm going to stick with my $500 prediction. Okay.

but yeah i do agree they're not going to compete with the the high-end tablets of like do you want a super high-end low latency stylus do you want like three cameras for some reason like it only has one camera you might not ever use it like it's a it's a nest hub max that happens to detach yeah that's exactly i like that well it'll be interesting to see how people compare them too because i do think that

It's that it's almost not a tablet. Maybe they're shooting themselves in the foot by calling it a tablet, but like, yeah, it's a nest home max that has a tablet function. And that's what I'm looking for. Do you guys think it's going to replace the nest of max? Like they'll stop selling the nest of max. Uh, interesting. Then it would have to be cheaper. Yeah.

I don't think so. No, no. Because the Nest Hub Max is only $230. So if it's replacing the Nest Hub Max and you're going to go up to $350, that's tougher ask to get that into people's homes. I think it could because there's still the regular Nest Hub.

There is a small size one. I could see it just being the new big version and there's still the small version if you want a cheaper non-tablet version. That's a huge delta, but you know, Google likes to do that. I mean, you know what they should make? The Nest Hub Mini, but it detaches. So you get a tablet that's this big. A 5-inch tablet. Smaller than the Pixel 6, 7 Pro. Yeah, that's true.

Google, they keep introducing it as a tablet. They keep saying Google tablet. Yeah, that's what's worrying me. I think it's going to live as a tablet and you can buy this dock separately if you want to do this thing. I think that's what's going to happen. Oh, wait, hold on. Really? When we're talking about prices, are we including the dock? I thought it was all coming together. I thought it was coming together. I might have to rewatch the keynote and see if they said optional or not. But it's...

Every time I hear them talk about it, it's the nice finish. So when you hold it, it's like this. And then the speakers and the screen and the camera. It's a tablet first. But if you want to, we have this sick extra thing you can do, which is mount it on a magnetic speaker dock. And then it becomes your Nest Hub Max. They're probably not going to show on the website. I'll rewatch the keynote, but that's how I got it. That's how I perceived it. Okay, so you think $500 with no dock...

I was thinking $399 with the dock, but I think you and I are just so excited about it. We have it in our head that it's like a Nest Hub, but you make a really good point, and now I'm scared. Should I watch it real quick? I'm going to watch this section of the keynote just to find it real quick. I'm pretty sure they just said, and it can mount on, I think they're very vague about it.

Definitely. Okay, hold on. It reimagines how a tablet can actually be helpful all the time in your home by pairing it with a new charging speaker dock. Ta-da! By pairing it with... Yeah, they're separate products. See, I think I could also hear pair it with by saying like we're pairing it with as in like this package has it. I don't know.

It will live as a tablet. I don't think you're going to try to... In your hands and in your home. I don't think you're going to get people to buy this if every single one of them comes with a speaker dock. I think people are just going to want a Google tablet, period. There is no good Google tablet right now. Does anyone want a Google tablet? I think some people do. You know, I was so excited like five minutes ago. I think we should end this right now because I want to end this on a high note. I think... Wait, let me watch the rest of this 30-second clip. One eternity later. The way they're talking about it is very product talk for these will be separate.

And we will offer this dock separately for a price. Okay, look at this. With the Pixel tablet, we're taking everything we learned from years of making Pixel and products for the home and combining it into one great device. Yeah, the tablet. No, that sounds Pixel and products and combining it. And combining it. I think they ship together.

I don't think either way, but I hope immensely. I want to be wrong, but everything I'm hearing right now is they will be separate. We'll keep an eye on that. It's 2023 at some point. We don't know when. Yeah, it's a while away. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Well, that's the tablet. Although it does say pairing it with the new charging speaker dock. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Anyway, we're never going to come to consensus. Also, think of this future. You have one tablet and three different speaker docks around your house and you just walk around and just pop it on when you go into the bedroom. You just pop it in there. Yeah, but then there's also just like ugly speaker docks sitting around that don't have anything. Which is exposed pins. Yeah.

We have now turned this into the most polarizing Google product of the event. This is either the greatest tablet of all time or the worst tablet of all time. No in between. When they first showed off the Pixel tablet, I was like, I could not be more disinterested in this. And now I'm like, this is the greatest Google product that's ever been made. It's the most I've cheered at an event for the last three years. All right. Well, we're optimistic. We're camp optimistic. Let's just camp out there. I'm game.

All right. Well, that's it. That's a whole bunch of Google for one week. We'll definitely have some videos on the way for you. You probably will see at least one of them by the time this video goes up. So thanks for listening to the pod. Thanks for watching. And Techtober is in full swing. How fast did we just cruise through Techtober? But now we're in Techtober. It's happening. It's already long. I didn't know.

Wow. Your elbow just cracked. It sounded like I hit a baseball. That was well done. You said full swing and it cracked. Oh, full swing. I get it. Okay. I have to end it now. All right. Bye. Bye. Oh, trivia. Oh, yeah. I don't get to end it until we answer the questions. Gentlemen, start your whiteboards. Which of the following was not the name of

of a color of Google Pixel. Here's the list again. Sorta Sunny, Clearly White, Not Pink, Not Really Black. I've got my answer. Are we ready? Ready. All right. Marques, you seem confident. You want to flip yours around first? Sorta Sunny. Sorta Sunny, Sorta Sunny,

Except for David. Not really black. Yeah, not really black is one I made up while we were recording the podcast. What was sort of... Oh, wait, so I got it right. Yeah, you got it right. Yeah, you got it right. That's why I said duh. What was sort of... Was that a pixel? I think it was the yellow pixel. Four. No, it is three. It wasn't the four yet. Not the three. There was a yellow three? It was a...

It was like a flesh colored thing. I thought it was called like sand. The 6 Pro was sort of sunny. 6 Pro? Oh, guys. So recent. Guys. So recent. The gold color? The gold color Pro. That was sort of sunny? Yeah. Oh, I didn't even... Oh. Shows how much I paid attention to the yellow phone.

All right. Zero points for that. For me. David gets one. Well played. I'm going to catch up with you guys, and I'm not even on the same episodes. Okay. All right. Question number two. What was Google, the search engine, originally going to be called? This one is tough. Okay. You asked for this. I did. David asked for this. I did. You could have had the Chrome bit question.

And I would have been right. Wait, don't. Audio listeners are loving this. It's like that TikTok sound. All right. Andrew, are you still thinking? No, no, I'm ready. Oh, sweet. All right, cool. What is David still thinking? Marques is looking it up on his computer. Oh, no, I'm pulling up a TikTok sound. I don't believe you. All right. All right, I'm ready. Ready? Flip them boards.

Google Google but spelled correctly What is Marquesas board saying? I didn't know it across the board algorithm is called the page and Calgary. Yeah, that's what I think I didn't know it so I went with trick question and It's something I would do but unfortunately the original name of the search engine was called a

Back rub. Oh, yeah. That's weird. I'm so glad they wouldn't. Why rub? It was a reference to how Google could comb the internet's backlinks, the hidden links to other websites inside websites. So they named it back rub? Why rub, though? I don't know. That guy got fired. Nice one, Sergey. They should have just called it back crawl.

Or backcomb. Whatever. All of those are terrible. They're all terrible. Or search engine. That's what I would have called it. Thank you, Google, for being Google. Appreciate that name. Picture if a bunch of us were walking around with backrub pixels in our pockets. Also, I just Googled backrub and it just brought up a bunch of my sous spoilers. I mean, yeah. It didn't occur to me. I don't know. I don't know what I was expecting. Yeah.

Well, I think we all learned something new. I think it's usually at least once a week we learn something new from trivia. So I say mission accomplished. Anyway, I think we can end it now. Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. See you later.

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