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All right, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode, a special episode of the waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And a big week. A lot of stuff happened this week, multiple videos, lots of hardware and software to talk about because we had an event and now we're here to give our true honest thoughts and talk about all the news. Where do we start? Well,

Final Cut is on the iPad. Final Cut is now. I missed that today. I missed it right before the day before Google I.O. Two days before maybe? It felt kind of like trolling. It was on purpose. It had to have been on purpose. It had to have been on purpose. I think that actually the sentiment from that was like, number one, finally, but number two...

WWDC must be pretty packed to move some stuff out of it. I was surprised that they didn't drop it during the I/O keynote to take away a bunch of users. That would have been too obvious, maybe. I mean, I don't know. Companies do that to each other all the time. We've seen it. We've seen it. But yeah, no, we got a lot of Google stuff to get to. We do. Yeah, we have a ton of AI. Like you said, there's stuff that got announced. But I have one question I want to pose to everyone in this room about I/O. And I think it's the most important question. Are the birds real?

are they general like in that theater there's so many birds chirping and you see one or two but it feels yeah there's like a hawk screaming at someone i think it's fake it so it is an amphitheater yeah we're outside so any noise that happens just gets amplified there's too many it was loud yeah

I think it was. So you think they're all real? You think every bird trip is real? You still believe in birds? Real fake? I think they were real. I really liked the eagle screaming, I thought. It was really cool. True. I think Adam found the hawk in this dead tree sway. You know the song Blackbird by the Beatles? Mm-hmm.

I'm going to say yes, just so I don't get roasted in the comments. Okay. Well, they pump in sounds of like birds chirping. And I played that in the car the other day to someone who didn't know the song and they started looking around. I was like, what are you doing? And he was like,

where are those bird sounds coming from? I was like, it's in the song. So maybe they were doing that in the imposter too. I think it's a little both. If you set this up, tell us about the fake birds. Yeah, no, we did have a lot of things happening, but let's just, I kind of want to start with the, should we start hardware or software? There's so much to talk about. Software? They started software.

To make sure everyone listens to the whole podcast? Okay, okay, fair. Because we did make videos covering some of the hardware and that's out. But let's start with some of the software stuff because it's actually a little bit more fascinating what's going on. We knew that there would be AI talk. Like when ChatGPT took over for the year and Bard came out and was behind and all these narratives started coming out that Google was a little bit slacking in the AI department, we kind of knew that Google would have to make a statement about AI. Yeah.

They made many, many statements about AI. And I kind of feel like the theme of previous IOs to me was always like, yeah, we're an AI company and we have lots of AI research projects, but that's just what they are. It's just research projects. And they'll get kind of spoon fed a little bit into the products we give to you, but not really. Yeah. And so there'd be cool stuff that we'd see like these crazy AI features and like chat bot demos even demoed on stage at Google I.O. and then they'd never come out.

And so this IO felt like now we're going to take all of that stuff. Turns out you guys wanted it. So we're putting it into products that you actually use and you'll interface with AI all over the place throughout all Google software products.

So that was really cool to see. Yeah. Big red alert mode. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I mean, the top three that were sort of like kicking off the event was Gmail, Google Maps, Google Photos. So Gmail literally has a feature now called Help Me Write. Not now. I think it's coming soon. But these are all things that are coming to things we use where you literally hit a button and fill out a little –

prompt and it just drops an email draft into your like outbox and you can just edit it or send it as it is just write an email for you yeah sick that's what we've been using it for anyway but everyone uses gmail so now instead of using chat gpt to write email and copy and pasted it it's just whatever google can do with their new large language model boom i think one thing i really liked that about that gmail's example they used so the example they used was

you were on a flight, it got canceled. Please write an email for me to get the voucher to get like refunded for this. And like, it can use references to other things, whether like confirmation numbers inside of your email to know, like I need a refund or a voucher for X flight number. Yeah. And it's pulling that into it. You can also have it elaborate to make it more convincing or less convincing. Yeah. I think the example that used was like a voucher.

a voucher is what you normally get, but I think that I should have a full refund on this. So like make me explain or like make it explain or try and convince these people to give me a little extra on there. Yeah. So that was like right off the bat. It'll write emails for you. AI. Boom. Okay, great. Another one was Google Maps. There are some interesting features like immersive route preview in certain cities and

which is sort of doing this overhead view of mapping out where you're going to drive with AI that can tell you what the weather's going to be at that hour and sort of previewing it. It's not really AI. Yeah, because Andrew and I sat next to each other. We were talking about this in the booth. You know how a couple years ago, everyone would just say that everything was AI-powered all the time? I mean, they still do that. They still do that, but now it actually has some meaning. In the past, it was like,

this is automated in some way or something like that.

The maps feature, I didn't really understand where there was actual AI happening. Yeah, it is funny. David and I sat next to each other. You were in a different booth. So I'm now realizing a lot of this conversation David and I probably had already. And now I'm interested in what you think. But I'm glad you said that. Yeah, no, I think because it's AI everywhere, we expect everything to be AI. But now that I think about it, that maps feature was just like a cool maps feature. It was just a cool maps feature. I don't want to take away from it.

that was really it was very cool it basically was like it showed an example i think it's coming to 15 cities of if you took like a bike bike path down by the water it would do this cool like 3d almost bird's eye like bird's eye like overview go through it and show cars moving and show cars i'm assuming that's what the ai is like it's like the traffic data it's like this is traffic is heavy so add more cars yeah and then weather is cloudy or rainy it made it look

still a stretch it's a stretch I think for AI it's basically like

using the most minimal data points to like put it into a visual representation. But yeah, I think that they were, they're kind of just doing that to compete with Apple maps. Cause Apple maps drops the super immersive city thing. Like last year, I was wondering if people actually use that. I guess it was enough for Google to decide to work on it. It's enough cities. I mean, the Google maps team needs something to do, I guess. Right there. When I thought of it, I was like, this is really cool. This is a really cool demo.

people are going to see this freak out about it, show it to their friends and then just plan their route and route any other, any normal way. Right. You're just adding to the core feature, but yeah, it's, that's coming to 15 cities by the end of the year, which is very cool. If we can show it on screen, if you're watching, I guess the only one we know about, we can assume New York city and San Francisco. Okay. Yeah.

So that's Gmail, that's Google Maps. Google Photos one though, this is where it starts to get into the crazy, like real quick, like five minutes into the keynote. Yeah. So right off the bat, we've seen Magic Eraser, which is there's something in the background, you kind of circle it and it will just nuke it from the background of your photo and use AI to fill in what was supposed to be there. That's cool and it works on the Pixel and Google Photos. There's this new feature

an additional version of it now which is going to be called magic editor yeah which will do way more smart selective ai edits and they're powerful enough that i literally just tweeted what is a photo in the middle of the scene yeah i was like what is happening so they had a photo of like a kid sitting on a bench and they're like oh you wanted him to be closer to the middle of the photo just highlight the kid on the bench and slide him over yeah he's got balloons we'll just make more balloons to fill in where he was because that was cool because the

balloons were slightly off frame and they were like, we want it to be fully in the center. So he just slides the kid on the bench and the balloons over just draws the bills and it makes the bench longer. That's pretty cool. Photoshop has had this feature for a while called content to works expand, I believe, but this is like, it looked better and a lot faster. This is just a UI.

To me, it's like, yes, we've had Content-Aware fill, Content-Aware expand, but you have to know how to use it in Photoshop. Right. Where using this on your phone in Google Photos is going to be people going select, drag, done.

Yeah. And that sort of powerful UI where it actually works well is the difference, which is why I think it's so cool. Uh-huh. There's also a thing about like change. Oh, the sky is cloudy, but we want it to look sunny. All right, just select the sky. All right, it's sunny now. Yeah. Just like, oh, we want it to be lit better. Let's just make it all look nice. We'll take a backpack off, all this stuff. It's the ultimate what is a photo. I know Google has been really pushing trying to get people to edit in Google Photos more. Yeah.

And that's why they always release these ML features on pixels first. And then eventually it's not just on, it's not on your phone at all. It's in Google photos and then they do it on the server side. Yeah. They do all that processing on the tensor processors and their data centers and not actually on your phone. So yeah, it's, it's getting kind of crazy. Um, they like completely changed some of the pictures that they took. Yeah.

The one they were talking about, it was a woman in front of a waterfall. And I think it was like, first, it was cloudy. Let's brighten it up. She was wearing a shoulder strap. Let's take away the shoulder strap. She had her hand out to look like the water was falling on her hand, but she was out of the way. So she moved it over a little bit. I turned to David. I was like, the next thing they're just going to say she was in her living room and the waterfall is like completely fake in the background. They did so many changes to it. And it's...

It's really awesome. The way I think about it is like you try and teach significant others or like family members who don't take photos how to frame things properly. Now they can take that garbage photo and I can fix every single part of it and make it look framed correctly. They'll think you're a god. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah.

How do they not do fences yet? I know. The chain link fence. I needed a reference to that and they didn't deliver. It's like years old. When we review this, I think that needs to be our first test subject. Just draw over every single link in the chain link fence. The problem is that's most of the image, right? I can see how that was a hard technical problem. And they first announced that in like 2017 or 2018. I think it was 2017 that they announced that. I think it was. It was one of the ones I was at, which was...

17 or 18. And they just scrapped it. Yeah.

Yeah. The thing is, is it's most of the image, but they're little tiny lines. Like if you can replicate four brand new balloons, you can take a little line out of something. They had a really cool animation when they were doing content to expand where everything turned into like magical confetti pixels. I highly doubt that will be in the actual production. My friends said that the UI is subject to change. I think that they're just saying it's probably not going to look this amazing. It's just going to like highlight and disappear and reappear probably.

Yeah. That looked really cool though. It did. It looked like Inception basically. Yeah. Yeah. The one thing I was interested about that though is all of it is based on drawing out the thing you want fixed. Correct? They didn't do a great job of explaining that. But so in that sense, if I'm going to draw out the sky, how

how does it know I want clearer sky or sunnier? Or like, is it just making that assumption on there? That might be missing UI too. I assume you highlight the sky and instead of it just going, oh, you want enhanced sky? It's sunny now. I think there should be a little dialogue box. Yeah, I like how you do. Which could lead to some really cool things. Think about like Luminar AI. That's why, yeah. I want a rocket ship going.

through the sky in the background. - Yeah, well the object detection, I mean, is getting really good. Kind of like how in iOS you have the built-in touch and hold and it selects the object. That's basically what they're doing in here too. - In just a way more useful manner than just dragging a cutout piece into iMessage. - Like that was cool, but this is more useful. 'Cause Apple's was always like copy it on your phone,

open it in Photoshop on your computer. But I was like, what if you just edit it on your phone instead of having to copy it over? I guess they don't have the content aware fill aspect of it because they're just cutting out. They probably will at WWDC this year. They're going to just go, now we filled in the background. You can just remove things from your photo. We call it dynamic eraser. It's going to happen. Dynamic eraser. I'm calling that. Magic is such an Apple word, but yeah, they'll call it something like that. Google already took it. Yeah.

Okay, I want to talk about something crazy that I really enjoyed, which is called Project Tailwind. And we think of it as an AI-first notebook that helps you learn faster. How it works is you can simply pick the files from Google Drive.

and it effectively creates a personalized and private AI model that has expertise in the information that you give it. Basically, there's all these different large language models that we use and interact with with things like BARD, but let's say you wanted to train this AI model on your own documents and things that you know, and then it could help you

create new things or study things based on your own documents. And they went through this whole demo of like, let's say you're a student and you've got your notes typed out in Google Docs. You train the model on your notes and then it'll just summarize the notes for you, create a study guide for you, help quiz you on the topics. I'm like, if I had this when I was in college,

I would have been significantly more productive. - Oh yeah. - 'Cause studying was not my forte and this would have been fire. - Oh yeah, your brain plaster would have just been like firing on all cylinders. - It would have been awesome. - Yeah, my concern, we were talking about this a little bit. So you're training it, you're basically creating your own little transformer model, right? - My own training data set. I think the model's still the same, but it's trained on. - Yeah, it's trained on your own personal stuff.

But the way that generative AI still works is still just predictive words, right? So my concern, and I want to see this in action, and I think this is why it's in the labs feature right now still. But I want to see, like, if you create a study guide for yourself, what if it just starts lying?

Because you know how gendered AI just lies all the time? What if it just strings together incorrect facts? And then if you're creating a flashcard system or a study guide system, you're just learning bad data.

I also wonder, like, is there X amount of data input you need to put in it before? Because I feel like less data input has more of a chance of attempting to fill in the blanks. Yeah, their thing had like 10 weeks of notes, basically, which is a decent amount of data. And I'm also interested in terms of notes, like...

You two write stuff and take a lot of notes for a while, but if it were to pull the notes from this Google I.O. right now and attempt to make real words out of this horrible spelling and punctuation, I feel like it could, but that seems like a potential issue. I'm not...

fact checking all of my notes. If I'm in class, I'm just taking them down as fast as possible. The professor's going crazy. I could spell things, autocorrect could change the wrong word. Now that's the incorrect facts. Now I'm getting the incorrect facts back because I didn't just reread and be like, oh, that doesn't sound right. Yeah. But I think that's a lot. That's the crux behind a lot of these features is in my head, it's working perfectly. So it's amazing. But I think in real life, they're very complicated. And that's why they're still in labs because there's lots of ways that they can go wrong. Yeah. Yeah.

but if it works then it's amazing that's why it's called tailwind because there's a tailwind behind you because you're flying through your learning i believe you i believe that's my guess yeah i'm just confused if like what if i have the same fact twice in my notes and they're and one of them's like wrong

Which one does it pick? There's a lot of what ifs. Then it's making a decision for you. Yeah. That's the weird thing. It's interesting because they're generally not just grabbing chunks of text and replacing it. Usually it's still generating like token by token. Yeah.

this is what the word is going to be. This is what we were talking about with the AI video before, right? Which is it is just going word by word and predicting the next thing. And it doesn't have this like built-in sentiment analysis or fact checker. It doesn't know what it's saying or what to do about what it's saying. Right.

Like there's a lot of cool barred features they talked about, which is like, give me a summary of these schools. Okay, make them a table. Oh, add a column to this table with prices. And you can, it'll do all these things because it knows what a column is and it knows what all these things are. Those aren't fact oriented. But they're not like fact check. Like if you- They're functions. Like the data in the chart might be wrong. You're right. And it might always be wrong. I do think,

And like, we'll talk about that stuff that you just said later. But previously when they were talking about AI and Gmail, like write my email and everything, when they were talking about it here, when they're talking about it later, they were very specifically saying like, this is your starting point. I think they said that probably like a hundred times. Like this is a great place for you to start. And I think that's their quick way of saying like,

Please don't just send this right away. Like, this is helping you. This is a tool. The problem is if they're making tools that make it so you don't really have to look at things like emails, they're like, write a long email because I don't want to write a long email. Like reading and proofing a long email takes almost as much effort as it does to write the email. I would disagree, I think. I would rather have it write the email and then proof it. Mentally. I guess it takes the mental weight off of you. It feels like super powerful.

And I like wrote this down in my notes later, especially when we get into Google workspaces, but like super personalized templates, like, like super hyper specific templates to what you need. And like, that's awesome. Cause how many times have people looked for a resume template, but what if you could say, write me a resume, I'm looking for a development job tailored for, yeah. And it can like be hyper specific. And then when you can do that with like

super specific things that might just be day-to-day life aspects like that's really cool what i would love and they didn't mention this specifically is if the generated say uh emails through your gmail if it scraped the emails that you've already sent and it wrote it in your voice that would be even better because like the examples that they showed off were super super corporate but i'm pretty sure i would be able to read an email from someone that felt really corporate and just be like oh

But if I was able to generate one that was like in the voice that I always send emails in, I think that would be sick. Which is like 90% exclamation marks for me. I need to tone it down a little bit. No, I capitalize. I just am too excited about everything. I say LMAO and put emojis in my corporate email. The email app that I use now is...

which is super useful, it's called Superhuman, has a snippet feature, which there's a whole bunch of snippets that I've made because I get asked for the studio shipping address all the time. - Oh yeah. - So I Command + K, snippet, insert, and it types out this whole thing. The studio shipping address is blah, blah, blah. The phone number for shipping is blah, blah, blah. And it's got this whole thing. So I don't have to type it every time.

And Google's been good at like auto filling some of that stuff in Gmail if you use Gmail. But it's just like next level for me to go. I've had conversations with this person before. The language model is going to read those conversations and just pick up the conversation where it left off and like finish booking this hotel or canceling or asking for a refund. It's just going to just do the work for me. And.

That kind of moves us into the plugins feature that they have for Bard. Yeah. Bard got a lot of improvements. Yeah. A huge thing that got announced by ChatGPT a couple of months ago was ChatGPT plugins, where basically you could start things in ChatGPT and then you'd be like, hey, I want to order a pizza. And it'd be like Domino's plugin. And then all of a sudden a pizza gets ordered for you through ChatGPT.

Now there's going to be all these plugins for BARD and they already announced like 30 plus partners. And that just feels really powerful. The confusing kind of thing is that BARD is still just like a quote unquote AI experiment from Google. And I feel like most people are going to be interfacing with most Google products within Google search itself or like a Google app.

And having BARD be like this separate kind of platform that you use instead of being your main way that you interact with Google services feels kind of strange. So it was interesting the way they framed it. And I found it kind of fascinating where they would talk about each one of these tools and they'd frame it each time. And so when they talked about Google search, they talked about how they're going to add ad generated things at the top of search. And then with each tool,

application of AI, they would say with this type of AI, we can do this. And with Bard, they said with a chat, like a chat experience of AI, you can do this. So it just felt like Bard was siloed off into here's the chat AI if you want that. Here's the other AI.

And so you have to go find BARD to use BARD features, but they're also going to build in a lot of stuff into Google.com search. This is the interesting thing for me is I feel like at this point in time, or at least when BARD is a little bit better, you know how the default landing page for like Chrome is just Google.com? Like you open a new tab, you've got a new Google window. I think they should make every time you open a new window, a new tab, it's BARD.

Because you're starting from like, this links out to everything else you do. It links out to all your other Google services. It can write an email for you that you can import into Gmail. It can import stuff into Docs. It's basically like a nexus. It feels like the most functional thing. Right. It's a nexus that goes out to all the other things that you want to do. So using BART as like their core nexus and then like linking out seems a lot better than starting with,

Google search, which has a very specialized function and can maybe important to other services, but is not nearly as powerful as Bard. I agree. I mean, you said you, you open up Chrome and you're like, Oh, I'm opening this up because I'm planning a trip. And you type in the Bard, I'm planning a trip. And now it's bringing up Expedia and united.com and like literally laying out your tabs for you to have the most efficient work possible.

That could be really cool. Yeah. It's just weird that they still kind of consider Bard to be like, oh, it's an experimental siloed feature over here, but now it's like the most powerful product they have. Yeah. They did open up the wait list. Yeah. So anyone can use it or anyone in however 200 countries or whatever they say. As long as you speak English, Japanese or Korean. Yeah. And 40 other languages coming soon. Interesting. Okay.

And it is now powered by their new Palm 2 model. Yeah, right. There's a new large language model that is more advanced. And there's, yeah, there's a ton of other features. Like it'll bring up images now. It will use the plugin to, I think it's called Adobe Firefly to generate images with that. I was confused by that because like Firefly is one of the plugins, but they have their own image generation product. So I think that was just, I bet, I would bet you that Adobe paid them for that. Yeah.

To like show off the plugin. Because they have their own image generation product. Yeah, I can't believe they wouldn't use their own. That was a little confusing. The kind of cool thing that I thought was interesting is that they have Palm 2, right? And Palm 2 is like, it's like Lambda. It's their big...

model that they have. They have different scaled versions of Palm 2 and they name them different things. So they've got Gecko, Otter, Bison, and Unicorn. And those are basically like how big the size of the model is. Yeah. Gecko can fit on a device. Right. That's pretty fire. Oh yeah. That's going to be tensor based. A Bison's bigger than a Unicorn?

This is true. That's a good point. That's a fact. Maybe it's like they asked Bard what the sizes were and it just got it wrong. Technically a gecko is bigger than a unicorn. What? A gecko is bigger than a unicorn. How? They're not real. I see. Have some imagination. Are you saying ge- Oh. I think my geckos weren't real. I was like what are we living right now?

Uh, true. Maybe it was like how magical the animal is, you know? Probably. Unicorn is probably just opening the door for a bunch of other future stuff. Yeah, they're just saying unicorns are like the best. Yeah. Well, okay, there's one more. I just want to say one more thing before we get to the ad break, which is there was a really long, boring but important section in the middle, which was just talking about responsible AI, which doesn't get all the hype and the flowers of like the new pixels and stuff like that. But...

It mentions the fact that like, okay, we're generating all this stuff, these images that are more and more realistic with AI. We need a way to know if it's AI or not. There should be one, either watermarks or two metadata from everything we create so that it's easily tagged or identifiable as created by AI.

I agree with all that. I don't know how well it applies to the way bad actors will use the products, but I think it's a good thing to be thinking about as this stuff moves forward. There was one other thing that they mentioned later as well where...

I believe if you were creating AI generated images and they were showing up in Google search, there's like literally a tag at the bottom. A lot of times it'll be like image shutterstock. Like there would be an AI generated tag right there because this is becoming so realistic. And besides watermark, metadata is hard to be like, it's hard because it doesn't show up. People are looking at metadata, but it can be stripped and they didn't show the watermark that

was going to be. Their de facto watermark was the little Bard logo. The little star. Which is their general AI logo now. So to me that little...

by the link that you would click for that that feels almost like the most prominent way of showing that that was the most useful because i think that'll show up the most i just think like when you see like the pope image go viral on twitter like there is no watermark there's no metadata yeah it has to be uncovered especially imagine a bad act a bad actor where it's not necessarily a joke funny tweet in two minutes it's a guy like

trying to convince people it's real. They will strip the metadata and there will be no watermarks. It's so easy to strip metadata. Like that was my thought process. There are quite a few companies that are like trying to figure out how to embed like secret metadata or watermarks that you can't even see into images that can be like

What? I'm realizing I can't like whisper into the mic because you don't have headphones on and no one can. No, no, but yeah, there's there's companies that are trying to do that. But I still see it being very difficult because like, honestly, if I take a screenshot that wipes all the metadata. If I bring it into Photoshop and export without metadata, that wipes all the metadata. So unless they're figuring out a way to include metadata that isn't the traditional form of having metadata in an image or a watermark.

If it has a watermark in the little bottom right corner, you just crop it by 3%. That's the problem. The watermark either is easily taken out or it's too big that it ruins the picture. And then the people who are actually trying to use this for a tool in good faith, it's ruined because it has to span the entire image.

They have invisible watermarks now. I just feel like it would be so easy to just take a screenshot or you just have to like change the file basically. Yeah, I kind of imagine like you create something with BARD or some image creator tool and it has this little invisible watermark, let's say, and then it goes viral on Twitter and anyone who uses a tool to analyze the image will go, oh, because of this, this

this tool we know that it's created by Bard because it left the invisible watermark. And that's great for people who use Bard. If you're not using Bard, that still needs to be thought about everywhere. It would have to be integrated into Twitter where it would automatically say AI-generated image because it scrapes the metadata of every image that's uploaded. But there are no engineers left at Twitter, so that's never going to happen. There's a whole ecosystem that has to be built around this. Yeah.

But yeah, no, that's all there. I think we'll take a quick break. We will come back. We have a lot more to talk about. But, you know, we did bring with us to the hotel and we can't even hear the music because we don't have headphones on. But we brought our trivia board. So it's time for trivia. I'm just going to pretend I hear it. Yeah, you guys can't hear it. But trust me, it's awesome. All right. First question for Google I.O. Trivia. This is brought to you by Ellis. So this question is brought to you by a great trivia suggestion that Ellis lost. But you know who you are.

I don't know who that is. What does that mean? I don't know who that is. Probably got tweeted at us. Yeah, that's not me. Google DeepMind has been brought in and out of Google several times over the past decade. But today at I.O., it was announced that Google's parent company, Alphabet, will be merging DeepMind with what Google subsidiary? Oh, I already knew this. Hmm.

I thought this was a previous question, but maybe not. No, they just announced it today. Oh, okay. Yeah, I remember the DeepMind thing going on stage, and then the thing that came after, which is the answer to the trivia question, I completely forgot. Yeah, cool. I don't remember any of these. This is either a free point for me, or I'm really dumb. And you're just blacked out. It's...

Well, we'll get to these, of course, after the episode or at the end of the episode. So until then. Wait, before we leave, can I just say something? No. Old McSundar had a show. AI, AI, IO. And we're not coming back. That was it.

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All right, we're back. So I think that something that everyone's been waiting for basically ever since Microsoft dropped the whole Bing search thing, we had all those conversations around, are websites still going to get traffic? And is this going to be a paradox? And is nobody going to write content anymore because you're just scraping all this content and using it for Bing search?

Everyone's been wondering when is Google going to do that? And what's it going to look like? Right? Because I think the theme for all this generative AI stuff is Microsoft's just dumping stuff into the world and then like live patching stuff. Whereas Google's trying to be a little more careful because they have

a lot to lose and nothing to gain, whereas Microsoft has everything to gain and nothing to lose. Like we said in our video about AI that we have done 20 of them now. I don't know which one it was. But basically Google released its version of its generative AI search today. Yeah, right at the top. Yeah, right at the top.

It's pretty interesting how it works. It's not too dissimilar to Bing. You ask a question into Google search and then it writes a generative AI answer. It shows three very prominent links with header images from those links.

They said something like, we know humans and humans always want to look deeper. So they're definitely going to read the articles. And I was like, press X to doubt. Because that doesn't, I feel like a lot of people are just going to search that and then are just going to run away and never come back. But I think one thing that they're trying to do to counteract that is they are doing a thing where they show a lot more human input from the internet now.

So instead of just scraping like really big main websites and taking that information, they had this feature before where they showed like it's called like conversations or something like people talking about that topic all over the Internet, sort of like how you put Reddit at the end of a search so you can see actual humans talking about it instead of someone who wrote for an SEO optimized web page. But yeah, effectively, it's just like it's written by effectively a bard or chat GPT and then you've got all these links on the side.

It does have Material You theming, which I found very pretty, which is based on a lot of the sites. So if you search, like, what's a better family trip with kids and a dog, is it Bryce Canyon or Arches National Park? And then it comes up with this Material You themed kind of green because of the National Park stuff. I don't know. It's kind of interesting looking. I'm still a little bit worried that websites are not going to get nearly as much traffic. They're not going to get any traffic.

Yeah. And it can include photos like in there as well. So, cause you could say like, um, I think their example was like, what's the best site seeing in X place and I'll show photos of that. So like if it's showing what people are saying about it, photos of it and the, why would you ever, why would you, why would you ever click on my tab now? Yeah. Yeah. It's just kind of interesting how they focus so much on, um, like,

using AI responsibly, they did not really mention about how this is just going to kill website traffic and potentially kill websites that it's taking the data from. Like you'd think that if they were going to be slower about this than Microsoft, they would take this more into account because Microsoft got a lot of flock for that. It doesn't seem like they really are. They have some other features like there is a follow up button where it generates a

like potential follow-up questions that you have and it'll add it to the search and you can just keep going. And they have a thumbs up and a thumbs down button, unlike YouTube. So they're clearly not talking to the YouTube team about that, but they'll take that away soon before we hurt Bards feelings. Yeah.

But search looks a little different now. Right now, again, this AI generated search thing is a experimental labs feature as well. Basically, everything that we're going to talk about today with the AI stuff is a labs feature. You can go to g.co slash labs to like sign up to try everything. But everything is in beta right now. Sign up for everything. Yeah, you have to sign up for everything. So at least they're like seeing how it plays out in the real world before they just unleash it into the world. But yeah, yeah.

Do you guys have thoughts on, I feel like it's not that different from our being conversation. Cause it is effectively the same thing. I think very similar there. There are some like cool things like adding images and stuff. Like I still think it's really neat. I think it's just like, ultimately again, it's searching, but just being, it's, it's like the joke we've always, everyone makes of like,

Google search is so good at typing in the most random thing and it knowing what you're talking about. And now it can just be ultra specific about that rather than yet. If you were looking for Bryce Canyon and, um,

What was the other one? Like Canyonlands or something? Arches. And you were trying to figure out if you can bring kids, bring a dog, if it's easily accessible. You would have two separate searches for both the national parks going into and then finding the specific things. Now it's just telling you all right there. I also just am very curious about the accuracy again, because it's like using generative AI for things that are just more creative doesn't really matter.

But when you're doing search and Google's entire ethos is we're going to give you information, we're going to be accurate about that information. I didn't really hear a lot in the keynote about them saying we take accuracy really seriously and this is going to be specifically scraped or whatever from the websites. That kind of concerns me. I'm very interested to try it. I want to try to break it and see how easy it is to break.

You won't be alone. I don't have specific thoughts, but that did remind me of a story that I'll try to tell really quickly. I was at the studio the other day and I had this memory of something I wanted to reference of something that I saw on a talk show that was like a robot of like a pink robot face.

thing that I saw once and I was like I can't remember what it is and I started googling and looking on YouTube of like pink robot talk show clown robot pink and I was like putting in every combination of search things and I could not find it I must have put in 30 different Google searches I couldn't find it on Reddit couldn't find it on YouTube and then John said have you tried asking chat GPT

And then I opened up ChatGPT and I asked it and it instantly answered a full sentence with the name of the thing, which I then went to YouTube and searched and found. Wait, what is it? It's called Mr. Blobby. It's really stupid. Don't ask me why I was like this. Oh my God. Yeah. Holy crap. This is terrifying. Was this on John Oliver? No, it was on a different, see that was the thing. I couldn't remember what show it was on. I think they've shown this in John Oliver before. I was looking on like UK talk show. Oh no.

Yeah, it was tough to find. But ChatGPT immediately found it. And that just had me thinking the whole time of like, yeah, I'm going to use BARD for a lot of stuff. What did you put into ChatGPT? Because something, a conversation we had prior was like, we think in SEO now. I asked it in natural language, what was the name of the pink robot on that UK talk show?

And it just was like, oh, you mean you're talking about Mr. Blobby, right? And it gave me the history and the episode and the host and everything. And searching in SEO didn't really work. Did not. Yeah. Could not find it. It was really weird. But it worked perfectly and it was impossible with Google or YouTube. Wow. Very strange. Interesting. Yeah. For the listeners, SEO is search engine optimization, which is basically like keywords. I hope everyone knows. People probably don't.

When you work in publishing, you do, but a lot of people don't always know what SEO means. So anyway, wow, that's crazy. The power of natural language. I do have one more thing about search, but it's...

It's more just because there was a point in the way they ended the search conversation that made me feel bad and I didn't like it. And they were going through a whole example of how search and shopping through BARD can be put together. And essentially, to go really quick through their example, it's like, I want a bike. I want an e-bike. It needs to go this far. It needs to be this color. So that obviously can answer all those questions and then go one step further where after you make that bike purchase, you can start thinking about...

where you want to ride the bike, how, if you want to make your, what the name for your bike gang. But then they mentioned this thing at the end. It's like, craft me a social media post about me buying my new bike. And I hated it so much. And I just like immediately was thinking of like, like the, Hey Google, it's my, my kid's first day at school. Write me a Facebook post about how proud I am. I'm just like, are we at this weird point? We talk about like void of emotion. Like,

Are the tweets I'm going to read? Are the skeets on Blue Sky going to be written by Bard? I don't know. That part made me sad. Every single time we see a feature like this, it just reminds me of LinkedIn. Because LinkedIn's been doing this for years. Where if someone gets a new job on LinkedIn, there'll be a button

It'll be like, congratulate Marquez on the new job. And there'll be a button that says, congratulations, Marquez. I'm so proud of you. You tap the button and it posts a comment that says exactly that. And that just feels so devoid of any emotion. It's like,

You know how we're writing emails now and we're using like AI to generate longer emails. And then when it gets to me, I'm like, I ain't reading that. Summarize that for me. And it's like, what are we doing? I was going to say like that they the examples they give got closer and closer to being personal and with emotion, but never crossed the line. Right. Oh, I would like a refund on my flight. Like a very functional email. Yeah.

Or like, oh, I need to explain something to someone. So write this explainer based on this data. Very functional. But they would always like get right up to the line, but never cross over. Just like, oh, my friend like, you know, is like really feeling sad, like cheer him up and like,

write an email for me and it would just it could do that too but google never went there but you know people are gonna go the social the social post i think is what felt like crossing that line it's like right on the line because i could see a social post about buying a bike is not super emotional and just like i don't remember the name of the bike but i just want to tell my bike i don't you just bought it it's your but you're making the post because you literally just purchased it like i think that's crossing i think it's a little over it's a little over but yeah there's they were smart about never crossing it

It's just weird to have AI write like social posts. Cause then it's just, you're just reading robot texts. Is it a social post? Is that even social? Yeah. What are we doing? I don't know. I can't wait till my bard drops to your bard on Twitter later.

The internet is just like firing at all cylinders and we're just like... It's just robots. It's just humans drooling and they're robots talking to each other. We're outsourcing our minds. Yeah. Anyway. Do you want to get to products? Oh, yeah. I think let's just go to products. Let's get right to products. All right. I want to talk about...

Let's start with the Pixel 7a. That was the first one. That was the most straightforward one. We have a review up on it now if you want to watch that, get my succinct seven-minute thoughts on this product. But here's an extended... Yeah. Not really. It happened to be seven minutes, but it is the 7a. Anyway...

the in the weeds version is now this is a $499 Android phone it is a pixel so it has the advantages of being a pixel but it is $50 more expensive than last year so number one is okay what's new about this phone the pixel 6a was quite good for $449 this one has a 90 hertz display now

has new cameras and has wireless charging. And so the price goes up a little bit and you're like, wow, this is a pretty good phone for $499. But it also has the same Tensor G2 and 8 gigs of RAM and 128 gigs of storage as the Pixel 7 that's six months old.

which you can also get right now pretty easily for also $499. And so that became a little bit more weird. So Google's making this whole lineup of Pixels now. We'll get to the Pixel Fold in a second, but you can buy a phone anywhere now between $350, which is where the Pixel 6a stays in the lineup, and $1,800, which is the starting price of the Pixel Fold. Yeah.

And somewhere all the way in the middle is, well, you could get a Pixel 7 or a 7A for right around $500. Which one should you get? 99 times out of 100, I'm going to say get the 7. Even though it's older, it's the same spec. It's going to get software updates for just about as long. It also has faster wireless charging. It also feels a little bit smoother at 90 hertz for whatever reason. It's also 90 hertz out of the box, although the 7A is 60 hertz out of the box for some reason. Yeah, you have to.

Roughly the same battery life. Yeah, you have to turn it on. Smooth display or something. But yeah, it's made of real glass instead of plastic like the 7A. Real glass Victus on the screen instead of real glass 3. Exactly. So there's just a whole bunch of little things that add up to a better phone at the same price. So I would recommend getting the Pixel 7 for the same price. But the 7A exists now. It will probably also drop in price later. Thoughts on the 7A? New colors too. The colors are hot. Coral.

Coral Coral Coral is our line exclusive. Okay. Uh, it's really, really good looking. They didn't send it to like any press for some reason. No, I saw some on YouTube. Oh, you did? Yeah. Oh, we didn't have it. Yeah. I was really jealous. We got the blue and the black blue looks okay. I like the blue. Yeah. Yeah. The blue is good. Um, a lot of the reviews called it like a pixel seven by any other name or like I'm seeing double because again, they're basically the same phone. Um,

I think that they are basically the same phone, except in every little way that they're not, which is the Gorilla Glass 3 instead of Gorilla Glass Victus. It's the fact that they're basically the same size, the 7 and the 7A, except there's a little bit more of a chin on the display of the 7A, so the screen is technically smaller. It's a 6.1 instead of 6.3, I think. Yep.

The wireless charging, 7.5 watts. Isn't that helpful? I think you said in your review that you can put it on your wireless charger in your car and it doesn't lose battery, but it doesn't really gain battery. I gained 1% in 45 minutes. Yeah. Just because I was like high brightness navigation, Bluetooth streaming, a whole bunch. It's 18 watt wired charging instead of the 30 watt, which I think is more like 25 wired charging of the Pixel 7. The camera sensor is way better than it was on the 6a because it's...

How much, 40% bigger? - But we can talk about that. - Yeah, it's 72% bigger main camera sensor. - 72% bigger, yeah. - So the 6A had the tried and true 12 megapixel IMX363 that like every pixel for years had. And so that was just kind of like a safe thing. This was a new, brand new sensor in the 7A. It's a 64 megapixel sensor. - Which could have been a disaster. - Yeah, and it's new and you can't actually shoot 64 megapixels. It bends down to 16, but it is a larger physically sensor.

So it'll get more light. It will be able to take faster shutter speeds in low light photos. It will be able to take softer depth of field shots in regular lighting and close up subjects. So it turned out to be better. They did, I think, the processing pretty well. And so that was nice to see. It also has an ultra wide, which had a surprising amount of distortion. I took some ultra wide shots where I was just like,

i'm just gonna crop in like this is looking at the edges like i do get more but like wow it's out of an ultra wide yeah it was shockingly distorted and that seemed like a weird google omission like when i think of google i think of like them making a super ultra wide look not so distorted yeah software this one didn't do it so maybe i'll fix that later um decent selfie camera yeah i here's a here's a quick ab test uh

Would you even notice some of these things in phones? Plastic back versus glass back? Not on this phone. On this phone? It feels glastic-y, kind of like Samsung used to do. It feels really close. I hate that you use glastic. I'm sorry. But it is, when I held that phone, it felt fine. Yeah, it does feel like. Just like the glass back. So that one I didn't mind so much. Would you notice 6.3 inch versus 6.1 inch display? No.

Not really. Not super? Yeah. Would you even necessarily notice the difference between the old 12 megapixel shots and the new 16 megapixel shots? I noticed the depth of field difference, but I would bet you that regular people would not. Yeah. Yeah. Would you notice 7.5 watt wireless charging versus 20 watt wireless charging? 15? 20?

20 or 15 it's higher it's a higher it might be 20 no i think you're right it's 20 i think it's funny and i would actually it's funny because when you guys just said that before i was like this sounds like a total non-issue yeah like wireless charging wireless charging in your car running high brightness navigation music you stay you don't charge but like wireless charging in your car running all of that like most of my wireless charging is just sitting at my desk or next to my bed to make sure it's full in the morning yeah is it lower minimum brightness

I wasn't able to find that in the spec sheet. I don't know about minimum. Maximum, sorry. Maximum. Maximums were... 500 nits? I would have to double check. Yeah. But I wouldn't say that they're dramatically different. So, yeah, this is the thing. You wouldn't notice most of these things, but I feel like... But all together. If we're trying to recommend devices to consumers, I would want to educate consumers that I know this is newer...

But you can get the same phone, but with everything better for basically the same price nine times out of 10. Yeah. So it's like, I really want to get a PSA out to the general public that like you can buy a pixel seven and it's a little bit better budget phone of the year.

The Pixel 7? Yeah, I gave it an award. It's like a great phone. You gave phone of the year to Pixel 7? Yeah. Sorry, phone of the year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And budget phone of the year. I was like, please don't go into the budget debate again. It's like a really good phone and it's like seven months old. Set it on the screen today. They put it on the screen. It's a good phone. The only other difference is the 7 has IP68 versus this has IP67. But again, something consumers are not going to... If you really like the colors...

And you're a regular person and you're not going to notice these things. One other thing that I don't think is confirmed, but when they were talking about Magic Editor, they said we'll only be available to new phones.

Is Pixel 7 in that list? Or is only 7a in that list? And that also sounds like something Google would say to hype up the release in the phones coming out in the fall and then let all the phones use it by January. That'd be wild. If 7a only had... Well, it's 7a and then 8 and Fold would all have it, but would 7 have it and 7 Pro? It would be hilarious if it didn't because they both have the same. Yeah, but they've done this before. It's the same RAM. They did it with Magic Eraser, didn't they? They said there's...

That was when Tensor was out and they said this will only be available on Tensor. And then six months later, they roll it out to all Pixel phones. I can understand it because it was Tensor versus other stuff that didn't have Tensor. This time it's the same. Right. It's the same phone on the side. And it's the cheaper phone. Yeah. That's why they would be hilarious. Yeah, that would be hilarious. But technically by their wording, I'm pretty sure they said available on new phones, which I assume at this point we're talking about new phones, which is stuff they announced and stuff they're going to announce. Seven months old. Interesting wording. We'll have to see.

Interesting wording. We'll have to see. I also think because Magic Editor was also not coming till fall anyways, right? So then maybe it won't even be 7A. Maybe it'll only be... Oh, excellent. But then it has to go on the fold. Later this year. Did they demo it on the fold? They didn't demo it, but like, how do you not put it on the fold if it's on the 8? Right.

I mean, it's going to eventually come to every Android phone through Google Photos anyway. Exactly. Yeah. Because everything eventually gets moved to the Google servers and they just let you do it in Google Photos on their servers. Yeah, we start with that. Three to six months later. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, Pixel 7a is a decent phone. It's not quite as like slam dunk deal as maybe it was in the past with the A series. And anytime the price goes up inside the A series bracket, people are sensitive to it, which is why I think

Look at the 6A at $349 if you really want, like, a deal. Yeah. But, yeah, that was my thoughts on it. What was 6A MSRP when it was launched? $450? I think it was way lower. Hold on. No, I think it was $450 because I remember talking about it going up. So, like, how long ago was it? Because Pixel A series started at, like, $350. The 4A was $350, and it was the best deal of all time. We're getting to the point where... Pixel 4A is, like, my favorite Pixel. You're $150 up on that now. Yeah.

From the original A series. I don't think they can ever put the A over 500. 6A was $449. At launch, yeah. So it's $100 off now.

The 6A? Mm-hmm. Now, yeah. It's pretty good. Yeah, except for the stuttery 60Hz. It's not a good performing phone. Yeah. I got heat for that, but let's just be honest. It's not smooth. Yeah. I will also say that the 7A in 60Hz mode also has that issue, which is very strange. It feels like it's dropping frames a lot. And I was showing you this in the car on our way to Wawa the other day. When you're pulling down the notification shade, like eight times out of ten, it'll stutter on its way down. I am...

a little bit curious about the choice to be 60 hertz out the box on the A series when it's capable of 90 and if that's

If there's any more reason behind that, because the same exact chip and basically the same battery size are in the Pixel 7, which is 90 hertz out the box. Am I crazy? I would bet you that because this phone is more targeted towards budget users, they're probably not the ones that are like, I need 90 hertz, I need this, I need that. And they care more about battery life. I see. So for the people that are buying the A-series phones, they're like, if we can squeeze a little more battery life out of this, and if you happen to be a power user, turn it on. That's fair. You know what's also going to be...

Because at a carrier service, when you're buying a plan, that's going to be

and the Pixel 7 is still going to be whatever they're going to charge you. So that is still going to be the cheap Pixel phone. That's true. Also, just like last year, you can buy a millimeter wave one from Verizon for another $50. Last year was an extra $100 for the 7. Jesus. But for the 7A, you can get one for $549. If you're on Verizon and really want that. And really want the millimeter wave version. You can do it.

Yeah. All right. We got to take a quick break. We got more pixels and hardware to talk about. So we're going to do that in our last segment. But of course, as usual, before we hit that break, hit that trivia. Trivia. And none of you guys can hear it. It's just for me. All right. Second question. So which version of Android was the first one optimized for tablets?

Oh, wow. I know this. David, that's the second time you say you better get both of these right. History lesson in my head with this because I had the Zoom. There's Android tablets? It launched with the Motorola Zoom. Yeah, I know this. Oh, I remember it. Yes. I remember the couch I was sitting on at my Mormon friend's house when I... I remember getting the Zoom as well. We'll learn about this information. I was in college. We'll get to that after the break. Be right back.

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Folding tablet called the Pixel Fold. Nice. I don't know. I don't like the way I said that, but we'll just keep it in. It's a folding phone. New fold and then new tablet. Becomes a tablet. Okay. So very different in the spectrum of price. I guess we'll start with... Tablet. Tablet.

- No, I like, let's do the Fold first. - Okay. - 'Cause the Fold is wild. The Fold is a very confusing, conflicting product to me because I really like it and want it, and I also know that I will not be recommending this to most people. Prefair. - Sounds evergreen for all our Folds. - Okay, so, well, it's a Pixel, but like even multiplied, so it is $1,800.

And so when you come in at that price, you immediately attract the early adopter and the enthusiast who both care a lot about what? Design, aesthetics, incredible specs and performance. And what does this phone have? Tensor G2 from seven months ago and not the best looking bezels. So it's not going to appeal to the $1,800 phone buyer.

But I really like the pixel stuff about it. It has all of that stuff still. But now it's a seven and a half inch screen in the inside that unfolds. And I've been waiting for this sort of passport size thing. And the decision they made, and you can see this in the impressions video, is they moved a lot of the folding hardware to like above and below the hinge in order to keep it thin. So it's 180 degree fold,

but it's thinner than any other foldable I've ever used. In the US, the Xiaomi foldable. Other than this and the Surface Duo. Oh. But that's not a folding screen, so I don't count that. That's not a phone. Oh, right. It's not a phone. It's a Surface. Fair enough. But it is a really thin, really nice to hold tablet device.

passport-sized tablet thing. So I really like it, and I'm going to definitely... I'm going to get one, and I'm going to review it and see what it's like. But I also know that at $1,800, you should probably just get the Fold 4 from Samsung. Like, that's the better phone for most people. That's probably... You get three Pixel 7s for that price? Yeah. You could also get a hundred other phones. So, yeah, that's... It's out. What do you guys think now that you've seen it? So, yeah. I actually...

I don't know. The hardware is really nice. I'm really glad they have really nice hardware. First generation Google hardware can be very rough.

The cool thing is I know that they've been working on foldable interfaces for a very long time. Basically, ever since the first Galaxy Fold came out, Google's been working super tightly with Samsung to make foldable interfaces really. They had Android 12 L, and the L just meant large, large screen displays, aka foldables. So now we're on Android 14 is about to come out, and they've been working on this for a long time.

They showed a lot of like multitasking modes that seemed really natural. They have the new Multitasking bar that you can slide up with that Samsung already has Samsung already had that but it was in a permanent dock right bottom of the screen This is when it comes up from the multitasking bar. Yeah, I thought it was fire. Yeah, I like that Yeah, the the bezels do seem a little rough. I understand that you need bezels of some kind to be able to hold a

Put a real webcam in there. Yeah. Yeah. Real selfie camera. Real selfie camera. Instead of the garbage that's under the screen of the Samsung. Yeah. Yeah. Just saying. I will say that they didn't really hide the hinge in between the bezels very well. And it looks a little more rough than like the Galaxy Fold 4. You're saying the crease? The crease.

Not the crease, but like where the two pieces kind of touch each other and then there's the screen that floats on top. Yeah, it looks a little bit rough when you open it. But well, I want to try it more. I want to try it more. So we'll see. I think that you're definitely spot on that like

I've wanted a foldable for a long time, but I don't love Samsung's UI. I always loved the Pixel UI. So having something that has both is really amazing.

And I like that it's in more of the Oppo Find N form factor. So the candy bar thing? Yeah, because the candy bar from Samsung is... Do you remember the first generation Fold? Yeah, it was funny. Looking back at that phone... Oh my god. I gave that kind of an easy time. I was like, wow, guys, it folds. Can we notice that it folds? But now that I look back at it, I'm like, whoa. The inner display of the first Fold that was like one-eighth the size of the actual...

phone was ridiculous. So yeah, I'm pretty excited about it. I do want to try it. I know that a lot of the people at the office are like going to pre-order it. You get a free Pixel watch if you pre-order it, which is hilarious. I know that the Pixel watch has been selling really well. I think they released a stat, well, comparatively, they released a stat that it's like the best selling Android wearable or something or Wear OS wearable. Okay.

That's a very high bar. Yeah. But I think that they're just trying to move people into the Google everything ecosystem. So if you just don't have a smartwatch yet and you're buying a Pixel Fold, they're like, we're going to get one on your wrist and you're going to be in the Pixel Watch ecosystem for the rest of the time. Who is that person?

That doesn't have... It's weird because... Who has $1,800 and is going to drop it on a Pixel Fold but somehow doesn't already have the Pixel Watch. Or a smartwatch, yeah, in general. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Funny enough, I think you have your choice of the LTE or the Wi-Fi only version. And the LTE one's $50 more expensive, so I don't know why they're giving you the option. Yeah.

uh yeah you just take whatever one you want yeah the so the full team school i i really i think all of us in the office are probably going to try it for a little bit and then see how we like it um i loved it i mean i played with it for like 40 minutes and i was like wow this it's 120 hertz on the outside and inside yeah it was smooth i think like to your point like a lot of people look at the bezels when they aren't using the phone and they look kind of weird but once you actually use the phone and you're looking at the screen

That's the important part. And I feel like when I look at the screens now, I'm more like,

willing to forgive like a slightly thicker bezel yeah because i'm looking at the screen the screen's nice yeah so if if i can deal with the pixel 3xl like bathtub notch i think i can get away yeah yeah like this whole thing you know i came into this thinking it's a foldable i'm not really that interested in foldables and then i left it thinking like i really want to try that yeah i think i really do want to try it um there are some really cool things about it like you said some of the software was really neat i really liked the um

I liked how if you are multitasking on both screens and then you swipe into recent apps, it'll stay docked together with the multitasking things that you're using. So you can go back if you're in like...

like a video and messages like that'll stay together when you bring it back later or like sheets and your email or something like that. Yeah, I thought that was really neat. They showed off, which I thought was pretty cool. They're like live translation where you flip the whole thing open and you can speak into one side seeing your translation and then the other side where someone's looking at you can see that. I know that's like a weird like it's kind of strange, but it also is way better than the like

I've seen a lot of people mention this. They say they can go to foreign countries and actually be able to communicate with people, but that's talk into it, look at it, show it to them. At least you kind of have some sort of a little quicker back and forth. We were memeing this a little bit. The lady in the demo was sort of like, here, look at it, look at it. I thought what they were going to do is because when you fold it open, it's such a big display, I thought it would split the screen in half and on one side it would read the text...

towards you and on the other side it would read towards them. So if you were like sitting at a table across from somebody, you could both be looking down at it and it would like talk into it and translate it. I think they're liking the screen on the other side. Yeah, I think they were just trying to flex that. Google Translate is one of those apps where every time I see an improvement of it, I'm like, damn, that's good. And then I never use it. When I was in Columbia, the entire time we're like, we need someone who speaks good Spanish because...

We're not using our apps very well. But it has a feature where you can say something in English, it'll immediately transcribe it, hit play, and it'll say it in Spanish. Yeah. Out loud. Yeah. That would have been really useful in a taxi or something like that. Yeah. I don't know if I'm going to be in the front seat of the taxi talking to the phone and showing them the screen. Yeah. But the audio experience is nice. But it was cool. The next big step of that is now that we have

Audio AI and there's some products that can do this already where you just you say like I think humane had this in their demo However, that ends up looking but like where you can say something into it say translate this for me and then in your voice it says it in the language like the other language Which will be really cool

um do you have any other thoughts on the tablet no i mean yeah i've got some thoughts on the tablets we'll get to in a minute but um i think i liked the pixel fold way more than i thought i would i definitely i'm gonna try it out at some point i don't think i'll pre-order it necessarily um because i you don't want that pixel watch yes i just need another pixel watch attempting to connect to my phone at all hours of the office um yeah yeah i've

I think it looks really cool. I'm excited to try it. The thing is, is like, if you haven't used a foldable, can you drop $1,800 without knowing you're going to enjoy using a foldable all the time? It does. It does seem thinner. So ultimately it does seem like the normal phone function should be fine, which I know is good. But then am I just paying three times as much money that I'm never going to open it up?

We'll see. I would like to try. I'm more excited now than I was before. I think I tried to curb my own hype and then saw... Curb your enthusiasm. Yeah, saw fancy... I got totally sold by the fancy presentation of it. There are also a bunch of other question marks with it that we have to figure out in the review. One is...

It's still Tensor G2, and it is a smaller battery. It is the biggest battery in a foldable, but it is still a 4400 or something like that. And Tensor G2 has not traditionally been super battery efficient. And it's a gigantic unfolding screen on the inside. Yeah. So what's the battery life going to be like? That's number one. We don't know. Number two is it is thinner than the regular Pixel, so it is, yet again, a new set of camera sensors. Yeah. They are slightly thinner.

thinner modules and they had to make a slightly thinner periscope lens and all these things are all slightly smaller than the flagship Pixel 7 Pro. So we'll have to again see what those cameras do. Samsung has done that in their folds too. Their folds always have lesser cameras than their most recent flagships. Exactly. So we're going to have to test those.

And then that's just the apps question of like, they did like, there's 50 new updated Google apps for optimizing for the tablet screen size and hopefully a bunch of new third-party apps that work really well with it too. The different column sizes and all that, we'll have to play with that. That's a question mark. But then just like performance, you know, Tensor G2 holding up over time, Android 14, all that fun stuff. We'll see. I am fairly optimistic about battery life because I think that

Like the reason that this phone is so thin is I think that they want to encourage people to feel okay using it closed. When you only need to use it as a closed phone, you just use the front display, which is also 120 Hertz. It's a, it's a, you know, it's a glass screen instead of sort of that plastic kind of thing.

And so if you're able to, if it's about the same thickness as a pixel seven, and then you're using it as a regular phone, but it has a way bigger battery, that's kind of dope. And then you just open it when you need to, when you want to use expanded app features. Yeah. So I'm optimistic because I think that for, with a lot of foldables,

A lot of people kind of just open it for the novelty and use apps in big screen mode for the novelty, but they don't actually need to. So the more that it can feel like a regular phone most of the time, and then you have the convenience of the tablet when you need it, I think that's kind of the ultimate in between. Yeah. Yeah. It'll depend on the ratio of how much you use outside versus the inside. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. All right. On to the main event.

The main event, the Pixel tablet, ladies and gentlemen, is a real thing. I wish I could hear the sound effects. Did you hear that? I did it at the same time. Yeah, that's perfect. Okay, so Pixel tablet gets unveiled. It is what we thought it was, which is it's a tablet that connects to a speaker magnet dock that makes it a Google Home.

The things that we didn't know that we now know are one, it's a Tensor G2. It's an 11 inch 60 Hertz LCD. It's not a super high end tablet and the price will be $499 and it will include

David you want to I'm sure you would love to remind us of our bet but it will the dock in the box Yeah, we've been we've been talking about this off-camera pretty much all day. I had to remind them very we've been talking about it Yeah, this is our bet was whether or not it came with the dock included it does which is dope you can also buy an additional dock for 129 I miss that you can buy yes, you can buy an additional dock. I think it's a little bit more

weird to buy an additional dock and then just have just a speaker dock sitting somewhere that you can't use unless you throw the tablet on it. Yeah. That's kind of strange. But I mean, if you just want to buy it. I like the options there, which is nice. Yeah, because you could like put it in a corner or something and it's felt so it kind of blends in with your environment. It would have been nice if the dock had its own Bluetooth connection or just like a Google Assistant thing built in. Yeah. So ask it stuff from across the room. You could still play music on it without having to have the. That's a good point.

- Yeah. - But it doesn't. So there are pins on the dock and those four pins match up to the four pins on the back of the tablet. And when you connect them, those pins are everything. That's data and power. So if you, actually it's how you charge the tablet. You put it on the dock. - There's a USB-C port. - There is a port.

but it doesn't come with a USB-C cable. So you'll have to charge it on the dock. And then the other thing is, yeah, it's got a speaker built into the tablet. So if you're playing music and you want that like slightly louder speaker, which I've listened to it a little bit, it's louder, but it's not that loud. We'll test it more. You put it on the speaker dock and then now it's a Google Home. It's got hub mode. You lock it and it will go into hub mode and do all the hub mode stuff.

So that was cool. You want to bring that up? Yeah, I think hub mode was the thing that we're kind of learning about this that really like showed how this thing is really neat and how like what hub mode is, is essentially when it's docked, that makes it, you know, feel like a Nest Hub. You have like home controls, you have like easy voice to text, like stuff on that makes it super easy. But when you want it to be in the tablet mode, you either pull it off or use the fingerprint sensor and then you're going into regular Google apps and stuff like that.

I'm curious if you can have multiple users' fingerprints preloaded so that if you have a different set of apps as me, as I would have as you. I think that's exactly what it does. I know they mentioned multi-user. I forget if it does that where it sets you up per fingerprint or if it's just multiple fingerprints can unlock it to go to your... Because Android has multi-user built-in. I do think they said...

- Yeah, I think it's two completely different users. - That's dope. - Which the iPad hasn't had forever. And the way they showed it on stage, which is new, but we haven't seen it in action yet, is like there's a little picture in the corner and you just tap the picture. 'Cause like a tablet that's at home, it's floating around your house. Like maybe you and someone else uses it. You tap the picture and then it sort of brings you to the login screen. You tap your new picture, log in with your fingerprint, and it's a new tablet. New apps, new home screen, new everything.

So I would want to get the one with more storage to make sure this would work well. But I think that's the best implementation of multi-user on a tablet we've ever seen. Yeah. Pretty cool. You can just touch your fingerprint to it and it's like, this is David's tablet. It's got all David's apps on it. And then I dock it. And then later on, Andrew comes in because he's hanging out at my house for some reason. Yeah.

yeah so i mean that would be that would be awesome yeah that way your kids aren't like messing around with your bank account and stuff yeah and buying apps on your account yeah so i think that that seems to be working or it seems to be the way it's going to work

I don't, well, I don't personally need one because I have a tablet already and I have a Google Home already. So obviously I don't need it. But there's going to be a lot of people who don't have either and who can get this and it will be both. And I think that's pretty cool. It's like a dual purpose thing. You lock it. It's, I'm curious how one-to-one works.

feature parity it is with just buying a Google Home, which is like $230. Can it be your Nest security camera? Can it? Probably. Because the one that's plugged in all the time can, but if it's just going to be popping off the dock, I don't know if that's going to be a feature. Probably in hub mode. I would guess in hub mode. I'm assuming hub mode's going to have

It's exactly that. Everything that a Nest Home Hub has. I hope so. I think it's even... They were showing also an overhaul of Google Home. The new app, finally. Which looked really good on tablet mode with all the different sliders and everything. So I think that's going to be fantastic. And that's what I'm so excited about this. $500. I can have my...

my nest hub home that has all my home controls in a like my living room or something like that and then when i travel to the west coast to make a podcast in a hotel room i can be an ipad kid on the plane and just watch downloaded netflix anime or movies or whatever i want on there so like that's all i want this poor claire is at home with no home controls now

Clara live. She has her pixel, right? So she can just. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so like that's 500 bucks. I think that's great. I hate, I kind of want two of them. I kind of want one for my kitchen as well where I can pull the tablet off to the side and bring it with me if I'm cooking something and I'm like. You wouldn't get two docks? No. It'd be kind of ugly. One dock, two tablets? I wouldn't get two docks. I don't want.

What? What are you saying? You want two tablets? I want two of these. But one doc. Oh, they come with docs. Okay. I would put them one in the kitchen with a doc, one in my living room with a doc. Also, just the green...

Have green paint in my living room. Oh, yeah, we should also mention there's three colors Yeah, there's like a dark green which is the only one that comes with black bezels and then there's like a seafoam Which is it's called porcelain. Yeah So look at the green ones called hazel and it's the only one that comes with black bezels and then there's porcelain Which has white bezels and it's sort of like this more porcelain color, I guess and then there's a rose which is like slightly pink It's like the pixel 3 sand

pink in a way also has white bezels so if you're like in a living room you probably want to get the hazel but i'm assuming that most of these are in people's like kitchens so you get any of the other colors you have a white bezel yeah yeah yeah white bezel is fine in the kitchen also the case i don't do we know if the case comes with this or i don't think it does okay well it's still really sick because the case can fit on the back match the color and it has this interesting like

metal oval that when you take it off of the the speaker now you have a kickstand so if you want to go on the plane or whatever and kick it up or if you want to distract your kids at dinner because they're being noisy you can kick it up on the table but then it can fold back in and then still snap right onto the home it like doesn't affect so cool i really like that really sweet it's clever yeah

The 256 gigabyte is $100 more, so it's $599, so $499, which is pretty nice. I'm trying to look for accessories. I don't really know if they're selling. They showed the accessories, but I don't think they are

are selling them yet. They'll probably sell them when it comes out. A couple of them are live on Google Store. Really? I'm looking right now. There's the case. Oh, it's probably the accessories section. Yeah, it's in the accessories section. Okay. Because I was looking to see if they sold the hub yet and the hub is coming soon. It says it's not for sale yet. If you want to buy a separate one. A dock. Okay. A dock. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, do you think that a separate...

I guess if you really like to carry the tablet around with you all day, if you have one by your bed and in the living room, then maybe you would get two of them. But that just feels... I think those are the two. The kitchen, somewhere downstairs, somewhere upstairs, basically. Like the bedroom and the kitchen or something. Yeah, if you want to bring them before. I would hate to just leave it without a tablet out there. I think that would look kind of weird. So the official case is $80. The one with the wire? Yeah. That one's $80? $80. And then there's a spec box.

Made standee shell is what they call it, which is basically like it has a kickstand built in and that's 50 that looks it's a totally different color and The official case the cases are the same color as the body so it looks exactly the same basically And then it has the metal ring $80 seems kind of steep I will say the guy in front of me when we were watching the thing He was like taking notes or whatever and then he looked up at the end. He looked back at us He was like there's no keyboard

And I was like, no, there's no keyboard. And he was like, oof, ouch. And started writing about how bad that was. I was like, I don't think this is a tablet people are going to put up your head with. You're not going to carry a separate keyboard with you when it's mostly on the dock. Yeah. I think this is, the people who put a tablet on a keyboard are suddenly like a high performance, like, media consumption. People are not buying this tablet. This is media consumption. This is entertainment purposes when you're using it in tablet mode. And they did, to be honest,

To be fair, they also do mention how Google has some of the best voice to text translate. So like there's not a lot. There is the split screen keyboard, but like most of the time you're going to want to put text on this thing. You're just going to use your voice. Yeah. Yeah. So that guy, you know who you are. Yeah. I love this was this. I'm so glad we got to the point it got announced and I still love everything about it. And I cannot wait for one of these. What does it suck?

We'll test it. We'll see about this camera. It's an 8 megapixel camera on the back. It has no portrait mode. It has no high-end features. It's just like, it's a tablet with a camera. What are you going to use it for? Yeah. Like occasional video calls, whatever. Shut up. It's got a front-facing 8 megapixel camera. Stop talking. Let me love it. It's a 60 hertz display. I'm sure it's going to be a fine battery, but we still got to test that. So we'll see, but I think it's in a pretty good place right now. Yeah. And we have one more quick thing to talk about. We'll make it kind of quick, even though we probably could talk for a while, which is...

Find my Android. Right. Yes. Underrated announcement of the whole thing. And I have many questions about it as well. I feel like this was the most active we were into Slack. I know, yeah. We started talking about this. Okay, so basically, they started actually with this announcement of...

If you are being followed by a rogue air tag, it will now notify you on your Android phone. And that was the thing that was like making headlines before all people are putting air tags in cars and their iPhones are telling them that they're being followed by an air tag. But hey, if you're stalking somebody with an Android phone, they're not even going to find out. Yeah, they're not going to know, right? Now it's being built into Android because they can do that. They worked with Apple on this, by the way. Thankfully, they had to. Yeah. Yeah.

And then there was this mention of they're actually on this now, this network of billions of Android phones, which are all contributing to sort of this find my thing now. And low key, that's a way bigger find my network than iPhones in a lot of parts of the world. In anywhere but the United States. Everywhere but the, yeah, everywhere here. Even probably the United States. Yeah, even still in the United States, if it's not bigger, it's still enough. Yeah, it's enormous. Yeah.

So that's pretty cool. We have a super useful Find My network of billions of Android phones. Yeah, they've always had, well, not always, but for a very long time, they've had Find My device, which is just like, it's a place you can go on your Google account on the internet where you can ring your phone remotely or you can wipe your phone remotely. But now the fact that every device is sort of contributing to it. So even if it's, I think it's like, even if it doesn't have data yet,

other phones that walk by will kind of like give its location and triangulate it is really cool. And they also announced that they're going to be able to implement it into like partner devices. So like, I think they showed off some Sony headphones, like XM fives or something.

And my question is, you have to pay to be on Apple's Find My network. Like the VanMoof bike has Find My, the premium one. The cheaper VanMoof bike that they just announced doesn't have it. And I'm assuming that Apple charges a licensing fee to use it. My question is, does...

Google also charge a licensing fee to put Find My into this. I assume they do. I would assume that, but I don't know. Yeah. And it's going to be like, so now are all devices going to pay both licensing fees to Apple and Google? To be on both.

And my other way. Well, I was just saying who else is just going to even do the Android one because you assume all Android devices are part of this. So then you're just going to assume all Samsung products are probably going to have like, let's just think earbuds, headphones first, right? That's what you lose a ton of. Yeah. Galaxy buds are going to have to be right because you lose it.

pixel buds are going to have to be on this they don't have to pay a licensing fee are my sony link buds going to be on it because sony makes android devices are they going to pay for that but then go a step further are sennheiser earbuds going to be on this like who's going to pay into that i feel like we just so often at least in the u.s think there's apple and there's just everything else seems to fall under android when it doesn't really but there are a lot of things it kind of does but at the same time like

I don't know if the Sennheiser Air...

Yeah, like, are those going to be on the Find My Network now, or are they going to have to pay extra for that going into it? Yeah. I'm also wondering that something I was really hoping for at this IO that they didn't announce is an AirTag competitor sold by Google. Yeah. There was a fake one that was distributed with a name that I don't want to say on the podcast, with a funny name that was like a fake Google AirTag that...

Anyway, I was hoping that they would release one of those. They didn't. Which feels weird because now that they launched this enhanced Find My System, I would hope that they would have their own AirTag competitor because I've always told people if you have any Apple devices, you don't even need an iPhone. If you have a MacBook...

An AirTag is the best $30 you will ever spend because it means you will literally never lose the thing you attach it to ever again. And if you do, you will find it. And for that peace of mind, it is really, really good. And so being able to add this Android Find My feature to any...

you know, a regular, a camera or something is super worth it. Yeah. Um, Chipolo, which is tile's biggest competitor is on Apple's find my tile sued Apple because of the whole, like you can either join us or we'll destroy you thing that they did. Yeah. Yeah. We did a whole video about this. They should make,

Why does Google not have a new... I don't know why Google isn't releasing a tracker because they would sell it. If they sold it for even $5 less, if they sold it for $25 instead of $30, they'd probably sell a ton. It's gotta be coming. I bet you it'll probably come out in the fall with the new Google hardware. That'd be fire. I hope we get one. That'd be awesome.

Wow. Yeah. That's the in the weeds. We've gone through everything. Pretty much. We actually went through the entire IO. You just watched this instead of watching the IO recap. This is probably just as long. Then you wouldn't see the bird. Oh, and Bard got dark theme. I want to see that.

I wanted to say that. Oh yeah, yeah. True. Biggest applause of the day, probably. That's true. Can I just say, the applause in person is way more annoying than on the live stream. I was just staring at people like, why are you applauding? No one was applauding. It was probably engineers that were sitting in the front that were applauding. It was the birds. It was like, that's my product. It was the birds we're applauding. The firds. Tribute time.

All right, trivia, get out your whiteboards. We brought these all the way from New Jersey to be here with us in sunny California. Even though it wasn't sunny this morning, it was freezing. We were freezing. It was so cold. I was very upset. Still sunny. Still sunny. It was not. It was very cloudy. It's always sunny in San Francisco. Yeah. Okay. Anyway. If we had Magic Editor, it could have been sunny. Question number one.

You can't hear the music, but I pressed the waiting music. So you got like 30 seconds to write your answer. David has already wrote the answer. He's staring at me in my soul.

Andrew's blacking out. I'm going all in. I'm all in, baby. Absolutely. I'm either extremely right or I'm not. You guys always talk about Google subsidiaries and I just don't know any of them. Marques is writing. Oh, wait. Did you say Alphabet subsidiary? Don't let David look. I'm not looking. Okay. Also, why would I change my answer when I'm already correct? Ooh, got him. Okay. Flip him and read. Wait, Andrew, you're done? Yeah, I wrote Google. Wrong. I wrote Google Brain.

Correct. Google X. Wrong. Don't you say Google Brain in the next question? What? What? What was the next question? Next question. Great segue. Which version of Android was the first one optimized for tablets?

And I pressed the waiting button. At least I know I can guess at this one. Quick update on the score while we're waiting. Marquez has 14. Andrew has 9. David has 14. Andrew, what's going on? Just here to get trivia questions wrong and chew bubble gum. I'm all out of bubble gum. All right, you guys ready? Yeah. All right, flip them and read. Oh, you're right.

I got the number and the name wrong. I got the number right. What'd you say? I said Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich. Wrong. Yeah, but it's wrong. Wrong. Sorry. How's that? Wrong. Well, yeah, it can still be wrong. Okay. I wrote Honeycomb. Correct. Let's go. Android Honeycomb. What number was Honeycomb? Three? I believe it was three. Three? Yeah. H-I? Yeah, that was right before. Let me double check.

so ice cream sandwich was four but that was 4.0 yeah that was nexus galaxy nexus the awkward thing about honeycomb is it only went on tablets it wasn't really tablet optimized so i had a zoom it was the on the motorola zoom it was like it was called like hollow hollow you hollow ui was ice cream sandwich which also launched on honeycomb at the same time that's why i got it all right final score marquez with 14 still

Andrew. Stop laughing. I'll come over there. David in the lead with 15. My Iceland mess ups have nothing on this. Let's go.

Well played. Well done. Well done, David. We've ran out of time. I'm sure this is just as long as the keynote at this point. I'm so hungry. We have to get in and out. Let's wrap this up and go in and out. Any last words on anything we should talk about? I think I should get another trivia point for getting the stand question correct.

I'm gonna veto that. Okay. Yeah. Agreed. All right. Cool. All on the same page there. That's fair. If you were in dead last, I'd think about it. But that's a no from me. All right. You know what? We'll give a point to Andrew just for that. I want to give a point to Brandon because he's helping us shoot this episode. Thanks, Brandon. Oh, this is the first. Oh, I'm gonna put. You should do the aperture. All right, here. Who am I saying this to? Waveform is produced by Adam Molina, Ellis Roven, and Brandon Havard on camera today. Woo!

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