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i'm mars and i'm David.
all three of us back. Yes.
good, good. It's been a minute, guys.
Yeah, welcome. Were you like this year?
Like how come? Yeah I just like a lot of stuff. Yes, my kids came a little early and it's been great. And you always have been great. Um you have been kicking us without me.
Have you actually been keeping up with the pod? Because I feel like that's impossible.
It's hard. I watched episode because I was like, so I so also IT was a great episode if you have watch to go back and watch IT because there was a bonus episode but like, yeah, it's been awesome.
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good episode this week were in december to tech cement.
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sorry, december. So we got whole bunch of stuff. So first of all, epic has officially be google in its anti trust trial, which has interesting implications.
Uh google also has this new AI story teller is not out, but we got to hear about and it's pretty amazing, pretty insane actually. Um also we got to watch spatial videos on the vision pro, which will talk about as well. But first, we've got an update on a couple of things.
Remember that gami video we talked about last time, which was a demo of the new large language model and google multimodal abilities with A I IT, was a heavily edited as we suspected yeah and I still think that's okay. That's my heart is I still think that's okay. Not a lot of people agree with that.
A lot of people are very angry that google so heavily edited. I thought that I thought everyone kind of a knew that that was edited. But the way they presented IT when you watch your back is very misleading.
IT makes you think they just start drawing and immediately start getting cues in real time from google and super high speed. And that's not exactly something. It's very created.
They try to bunch stuff ahead of time. They're using this video to demonstrate what it's capable of, right? But it's not an actual demo. Did you watch this really anger?
I didn't see the whole thing I saw like people saying, oh, this is fake so I have not been able to keep up with the news. So i'm going to be a passenger here. But I am interested in this because IT does seem a little weird to have a heavily edited video, even if you are a type of person who you expect IT to be kind of like that, you have to go in understanding. Most people want and think that is, well, there are people who thought test, I was real. So let's.
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So for people that didn't see this video.
last wednesday.
google announced its new gi model which has three versions. There's like a mini version that goes on your phone, there is a pro version which is um basically in the cloud in the supposed to power bar and then there is an ultra version because of course, everything has been ultra promazine and that one is in the servers and is going to be for enterprise applications.
So do release this video that showed the multimodal capabilities of its ultra model. And they said in the beginning the video, we want to show you some of our favorite things that we figured out I could do. And they had this like really fast pace, like no stops video, where some guy, like, starts to draw a duck slowly.
And it's like, what what do you see? And he's like, it's like you're drawing something. Oh, IT looks like a duck now. And then he shades in and is like, oh, it's a blue duck now and then he puts a rubber duck on IT. It's like, oh, you put a rubble duck on the table that's just like the duck that you just drew.
And then just as all this crazy stuff in a very fast pace, like it's like a four and a half minute video or just non stop like comments of like really complex tasks and very multi motor capabilities and IT seems really awesome. And I sent IT to markets. And adam, like the morning I dropped and I had watched this, we've got to talk about on the pot is really cool.
And then like a day later, they were like, yes. So like IT wasn't live video, like IT was individual prompts that we asked IT about a thing that we put on the table and also the things we put on the table. One of the things we showed you ah that's .
further that yeah I could never like kind of understand if it's like processing taking a wild process and then like you cut in between that and make IT seem like it's so snapp er which IT still seems not great .
but to me .
we even show you the yeah was a little much that .
was more of a demo of just here's what google multimodal A I could look like yeah and but that's not what they but that's not what they said they definitely presented IT as here is .
what we made yeah that feels and in the future will .
then that seems cool. I think part of that the fact that they choose something that was so simple and like IT feels like you wouldn't fake IT to fake feels almost like .
were trying if he pulled a map over and he was like, what's this? And like, like a map of the earth and he's like, can you create a game for me based on the map? And he just generates this new game. So here's rules for this game. You put your antartica and you put your tiles on here and IT dos like a lot of really interesting .
stuff that's cool and a little more reasonable to be like, okay, this is what it's going to do. yes. Now maybe this could be fake.
like the little blue to the prompts that IT delivered, like the responses that delivered were similar to, like everything that IT showed is just that you had to prompt IT. And then I would be like processing boom. But instead, IT was like, he wasn't even asked me at questions. A lot of the just growing things and like, oh, it's there thing ohee and he just talks to IT like back and for them anyway, I just I was that cool I get the backlash .
yeah from how you're describing IT, I understand there .
is a reason I wearing these glasses.
That's good to know. Dio listening partly wearing yeah .
I even mention no, my take on this is like I I think the multimodal is super cool. And I might even say this in the last pod, which is right. This multi model thing is just in the ultra model, and we might not get our hands on a rebel use anytime soon until someone else comes along and makes some other cool multimodal thing.
And google feels pressured to push air to the forefront because they ve had a two in the GPT s multi moto and suddenly they're everywhere. Um these meta glasses that i'm wearing got an early access update a day ago that enables their multimodal AI functions. So there's a meta assistant in these these glasses which you can think about what you want. It's not that rate is not even serious level, but IT does some stuff is internet connected and it's now also connected to the camera on the front of them. So before i'm going to try to do a demo of this with like playing IT out my year, so before I could go, hey, meta, what's the weather .
tomorrow in carney? New jars, united states IT will be Sunny on thursday th, with a high temperature of forty one fin height and .
a low temperature. So get here.
says the weather, how we not made IT like answers more like conversational and like, why can I just be like it'll seven .
one and corner I think it's trying to confirm stand my .
asking someone like David .
know the way going in caring .
new jersey tomorrow, IT will be Sunny and IT will be forty one degrees fair.
The one time that you asked IT, what's the weather and IT thinks you're asking what's the weather in kuti o and then IT says fifty five, it's totally wrong. You will want to .
know that i'm saying you could say, but this is taking wait. Yes.
just let me either way, there is an update that lets me ask specifically and I have to say this exact um free every time. Hey meta, look and tell me what you see. And so you just heard that photo.
Yeah, I see two people sitting in a radio studio wearing headphones and facing towards microphones. They appeared to be hosting a show or podcast.
That's pretty. And that was pretty. I say one per.
I've tried this in a bunch of different spaces, and it's accurately portrait. I walked over the door, or kay and who was sitting, and I pet her and I said, what do you see? And I said, I see a dog.
It's one of these two breeds, and it's sitting in front of a glass door yeah and i'm like I didn't ask Fanny that, but that's pretty good. Hey, matter. Make IT funnier.
sure. Here's a revised version with a bit of humor. Well, well, well, look what we have here. It's two people sitting in a radio studio looking like they're about to host the most epic podcast ever.
They would ve got their headphones on, their mikes are ready and they're staring intensely into the camera like they're trying to help matiz us with their broadcasting skills. I mean, who knows, maybe they're secretly planning to take over the world with their podcasting power. I guess we'll just have to .
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and to find out about funny.
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that's about us. Can I say my favorite story with these things? When you walking around testing IT yesterday, you came up to.
like to .
David, Alice and I like, buy a little deck situation. And you were like, hey, meter, show me like, what is this thing? And then you just blinky stare off into space for, like, three .
directional audience, so we can yeah, but every time I can answer the question, he just like like .
mouth open just staring into .
the abroach er and plug .
and sunglasses it's like a whole layer just .
like we can that burnings energy no.
i'm assuming this is more for you can ask questions based on what you around. I mean, is that part of IT? Have you tried that?
That is part of IT. So there are a couple of demos, and I haven't gone through all these. But I like I said, I was testing IT yesterday. You can point IT at a menu and ask what of the spicy things on the menu. You can point something in a different language.
and I say anything this is and how .
pointed out a handful of homes. And he pointed out of food label.
IT seems to be very good at reading. So I actually do think if you pointed at a food label label, you would be able to find how much protein is and something I don't know if if you just that beans, if I know like it's pretty good, it's pretty good.
A text I I would I know is because that's .
a possible, although it's probably not going to. And it's also pretty good at like deflecting on questions that don't really have an answer. Like I held up an iphone and android phone next each other and said, look and tell me which one's Better and I said, okay, look, I can't tell you which one's Better just by looking at IT. It's probably not a good idea to pick one of these two high and smart phones just based on appearance alone, but these are two really good phones and will probably .
have some prose accounts of each one. Can we test to see how arts willing to go by setting up the trolling and your.
do I put the problem and .
then the rest of us will .
stay on the other side and then I will actually do. I and IT had text on IT to said, the blue jasper, whatever. And we said, translate what you .
see to spanish .
and I did IT so it's Better is a dog. So go get all stars.
I the .
only person who is happy about .
both of those rumors potential.
So yeah, you know, I think the multiple al stuff is cool. I am happy that it's actually just like spilling out into our real lives and like actual people can use this product and try IT out today if they just have the new version of the APP and the access program is cool. So I feel like going to start seeing a lot more than to prison.
Yeah I think multi model multimodal is like kind of the future of these alms.
yes. And IT may sort of reveal what they're like Better at than just chatbot because we're all doing the chatbot thing. But this could be cool exactly.
Look at the same can be like, how do I fix this? You're gonna need. Oh, I pointed that I had a product.
I hadn't eat that ethnic cable yesterday, and I just look at the bag. And I told me what kind of cable IT was, how long the cable was. I just read everything on the thing and told me not the important thing is pretty cool.
Even you just read that I can read.
but if I couldn't read, wow, that would be useful. I cannot .
read anyway.
okay. Uh, one more update yet. Last week. Beeper mini, yeah so using beeper mini.
um no, thank you. So so last we have a habit of having very unfortunate timing here on the way for the cats s we are called on wednesdays and a lot of stuff often happens between wednesday and friday. Ah so last dance sy whole episode was about be permanent because that came out on tuesday.
I was great and he was working. And then wednesday night, wednesay early evening in the the east coast of the united states, all of something stop working. And IT seems that apple had cut beeper many off at the source, which was a big bummer. impressive. Yeah, just stop working for everybody.
And they went to fall on like we got to fix this over the weekend mode and they sort of did um they got IT working again, but only through your apple I D email address you have designing with your apple I D which not having to side with that was one of the perks. Oh and then um the other thing was that they said they're going to bring back the phone number registration log in thing eventually, but no one really knows when. So people went in the review bombs to the APP, which was a bomb.
I don't know it's it's not IT works again. So if you want to use IT with your help, it's still got all the benefits that people many had originally, which is it's all local on device is not bouncing off. And I mac mini server somewhere, it's going directly to apple servers.
So if you're okay with using just your apple I D email address and having your all your text messages go through email, IT works again. But it's it's not the same as IT was. And I think that this story, especially since I came out right after the sunbird staff, kind of reveals that apple is not just gonna like let people do this.
Apple is reading everything as fast as we are yeah and as fixing things in a real time yeah look in real time because he was up, he took less .
yeah when I saw the podcast title, I think I like saw the podcast in the morning and I was called like I message for android very less for real this time and then I was like that i'd going to be the last time we use this title, I news .
A P A time question work.
But when that title is the official for real title of the podcast will all be far off of this podcast yeah.
probably true. Although rcs is coming.
IT is coming. ExcEllent point.
but also a question mark because we don't know how to implement, not sure about encysted.
Totally fair. We save IT also wanted to say that we are recording this wednesday and IT comes on friday. And just in case the same thing from last year happens, who knows what's going to happen friday.
friday? So if people are many, has the phone number thing again by friday, I.
I could have a and lose IT by friday.
That's P. S. A. We tried. We tried.
We tried. sorry.
Okay, one more thing, uh.
google did. At least there is an article I don't actually know. Google officially announced le an article .
because there is no guarantee if IT will be released to OK right now that seems like an internal project, right?
So I saw this android police article reporting on google building an internal tool that kind of an A I storyteller that uses and is trained on data about you and it's multi model, is looking at your emails, messages, google account for because you've taken things in your google account to be able to tell the story of your life yeah and .
I can guess a lot about you. It's sort of like A A personal biographer in a way.
Oh, and I kind .
of think that this is sort of a response to apple's journal APP. That's sort of my hot take on this because the apple journal APP IT takes a bunch of information from your phone like they can take your health data and they can take like a bunch of they can take your text mesage if we let IT, they can take a bunch of random information and like use that to prompt you about like what you did that day and what you should be writing about.
And in a way, like apple is trying to have you keep a more detailed timeline of your life, which they will probably prompted to do something with that in the future. yeah. And I like IT seems like google is kind of trying to do a similar thing because IT already has like a google photo.
You've got the lake on this day. Remember this thing. And that creates these videos and all these things. And I think of the day, people are all different, but they're not that different. And so I can kind of IT said, I can guess what your hobby are based on a bunch random stuff about you.
which I can see no way it's gona guess .
that I like watches and stuff. It's .
not locations.
That part doesn't seem that heart actually no, that's super, really probably knows all that.
This is, I think, one of the biggest things here, at least for people who have, like, we all hide emails before gmail, right? We are all.
yes. I like K, O, L.
K, O.
Come guys. I do yahoo. I had A O, L, all the hot mall, all the fun one.
So like, I won't have any of that. So I guess I only go back so far. Yeah.
I did get a gm on super early day to the, did you yeah.
what you I don't want to docks you do you're just never i'm not going to your email .
I don't want to do sorry is your email dress .
is a cool don't no twill that's .
totally thinking about old cream in the that lord .
on all my game honestly I think .
that the um but this like it's funny you bring IT up versus google photos and like remember this day because. I think that's one of the coolest things ever. Like actually showed how that works to my mother in law this weekend because he was talking about like doing albums for her son's wedding.
And like goal. Has all of this in your phone ready? Just named the faces and like auto ah this is so cool. It's a little career going through my text messages and emails and stuff like that and the .
funny if i'm talking to a friend and they were like, remember when we did that thing? Like when did we do that? Like I don't was IT in April of last.
I love like five years ago. Like IT might have end. And I, I, I just look at my google photos and look .
at April search for what I think like to find IT. Yeah.
it's really good. I found restaurants that way. We like, oh, where did we eat again? And it's like, I look the picture, I look P, S. location.
Yeah, yeah. That is a permission .
to do all of that for you. Which yeah, I think the reason that there is no guarantee that will be released to the public is because they don't really know what the public perception of like take everything about me ever he'll .
have to really package is nicely like one of my biggest, not pet peace but what are the most knowing things that I get asked to do more multiple times, which is this is a very unreliable thing, is to write a short bio about myself. I can not just give us a head shot on a short bio, and I hate writing that bio. I never, and i've been able to just ask, chat, P T.
For a bio of myself that most people can do that. yeah. So this is, this is your short bio right here. yeah.
For the box media of pocket website. When I had have right way for my ask chat, we tear out. And for me in a day.
a little more yeah yeah it's doing like hobby. You would always see like you seem to be starting new hobby. You already stopped doing this in .
one like I know it's going to like .
your eating routine.
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from its like uber eats like .
photos of food and the photos eating in meals because I only take pictures with .
and he only .
eats once a .
week but always .
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leave gan OK. I'm writing IT down. What will we write back?
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Whatever you get your podcast right, we are back. Let's talk a little bit about some news that the risk of things may be evolving after we talk about IT. Again, I don't think IT well because the trials ever know okay.
So is a big trial the last of many, many months. And the result was fascinating. I tell us about.
yeah. So a basic top heavy headline I don't know what I N thousand thousand top level, thank you, is epic sued apple and google are the apple trial happened a couple of years ago. The google trial just happened and just concluded. And surprisingly, epic actually beat google at this anti just trial, which is a big deal.
They do a fortnights dance at the course.
the head lawyer to get up to speed about all of this stuff. Back in two thousand and twenty, a apple suddenly removed fortnight from the APP store. And the reason they do this is because epic kind of random like spare the moment, implemented a separate payment system inside of the fortnight APP on IOS that allowed you to purchase v box, which is their in game currency for cheaper than you could if you just use apples in .
payment system. So against apple terms service, correct? So they kicked them out of the APP store for IT.
right? So they kicked them out of the f store. But within like a within a couple of hours, you guys probably member this happening.
right? I was just looking back. We have like five separate documents of us talking about apple verses epic versus either apple or google all the way back. Episode ninety, so hundred.
yeah, was twenty twenty one. This was happening. Uh, so they got to tell the abr and an epic basically file this eighty four page lawsuit, sixty five plus you pretty much immediately that was like apple lisa monopoly. Google is a monopoly. And they also released this crazy video from this one nine hundred and .
eighty four apple commercial. They in 4.
ah I think we just done you too like ride .
the use yeah and IT was called one thousand nine hundred eighty four ti.
which is a great name. So using lawsuit says P, R is like a thing. Eb, that's true.
True thing. yeah. So tim swanson and d and would be the only two do this. Um epic was arguing that apple was Operating an effective monopoly with the APP store because they don't apple specifically doesn't allow sid loading. So you can't like load on any other APP stores onto your phone and they get to completely set the rules of like how much things is cost and for people they don't know any time you buy anything or you do any sort of payment inside of any APP that you download from the APP star, which is the only way to get APP on your phone. Apple takes thirty percent of the revenue, which is a lot.
Talk about apple tax, all the talking about exactly.
And when the apple store first got launch, this was actually kind of seen as a deal because, uh, Steve jobs, when he introduced the APP star, was like, will Normally developers get less than fifty percent because they have to like package things in physical retail boxes and handle shipping and distribution and all the stuff and so thirty percent is actually a steal um but clearly over time that became less and less of a steel scale yeah and so the trial lasted a long time.
But eventually the judge handed down a ruling that said that apple was mostly right and could enforce its rules on epic because epic sign the developer agreement and then a few years later was randomly like, wait, but you have a monopoly and it's like what you signed on to this. So you didn't have to sign into this, but they did find apple in violation of california's unfair competition law, which ordered apple to allow developers to put button's external links in other calls to action to allow consumers to purchase things inside of the APP. But then apple appealed that. And it's probably just going to be an appeals court for leg the next forever. I I think that happened .
an interesting point two and why I think the landscape is changed toward the thirty percent feels talk because like the way we've also sold games is so much different. Previously, if you had a packages, a game for fifty box and if you were to bite online and got a thirty percent split, IT was once, but you make so much more money on games when play with microns act grains. So like now, it's not just you get someone to pay the box and that your last thing you ever get from that people, player IT is very easy to spend ten books.
I every couple of dollars a year on the yes, but is not a lot. It's super easy to do IT.
yes. The thing is that I don't even mind IT because it's like if i'm playing a game for that long that IT stacks up to right top twenty box at IT like here, I think it's worth IT. But like but then when apple is getting thirty percent of that every single time that .
chunk is yeah so epic lost the apple case. They had to pay apple of couple million dollars, which sucked. And then a apple lost that part of the case.
But then because they appeal that nothing actually happened. So nothing happened, great. But then they also suit google, because basically the same thing happened.
They also take thirty percent, but that was a different kind of trial because the first trial was just before a judge. This trial was with the jury. So IT was like public opinion versus one person. A big reason in this trial was a little bit different. Two was that they found that google was giving special deals to certain giant APP developers to make them pay way less and they were they were offering uh, companies like spotify and netflix like, oh, you only have to pay fifteen percent or like they went to some people in like you don't even have to pay at all just like beyond beyond the google play store. But they're only doing that but spoke to a number of different at manufactures yeah uh and the big thing that really swang the gery on that one was that they found out that like google had like proud they had these Operations that they called them where they were like getting together a team of people at google to try to sway these APP developers into joining me a star without a lower fee and that kind of stuff. So I was like a concerted effort to have this unfair billing and then also ah they auto deleted all of the messages they sent about .
these projects. They didn't know they are guilty but they are deleted all the evidence of doing .
yeah originally when start this off with one yeah and then google losses yeah it's like what's different but that does seem yeah quite of IT different, especially the like special privileges to different ones. IT basically makes IT which kind of is like what the market is like though is like, but then you have to like play this game of like you want me give me special privilege verses like I would like to be on the google store. I'm just gonna of worse deal than everyone, which seems.
I don't know.
decision yeah going for the consequence, the competitive landscape kind .
of I don't want to say force google into that. But if you're apple, you can sit there and say, look, we've got the biggest APP store you want to be on the APP store percent what you going to do if you are google, you're like we would love to compete without. But some of these developers are just making their stuff on the iphone and not on android.
Come on, please make one on the android that will do fifteen percent. We'll do five percent and then maybe they start to get more of those deals. They're trying to do that to be competitive. Yeah, but now it's a different landscape and that's why it's come back to .
it's crazy to me that they specifically went after the big APP developers to give them a lower rate because like when netflix and spotify need to be on android, if they want to have any kind of market share in the world.
like I also wonder what so the way netflix, x and spotify work, the amount of money you're buying and putting or like paying inside the APP is so much different.
But you are much more likely to have a netflix account if you can watch on your phone. Yes, spotify account.
If you get you use spotify on your phone, you sign up for network up a computer on phone for give IT up anyways, and then you just auto renews. So like the amount of money they are losing on that is. So small. So they give that opportunity because they know they are losing much where if you are epic and you there are kids that play four night in and lot of money to use, it's a weird thing but you shouldn't be going individually to other companies yeah and then deleting your emails about IT and not giving that deal .
to other people yeah. So google losing this case was actually like a pretty major deal because there hasn't really been a successful in the trials since like the one thousand nine hundred and nineties with microsoft. Uh, the judge did not really yet exactly what google is going to have to do because they lost, but they lost on all counts.
So are probably going to have to reduce the a, the the percentage that they get paid, which is gonna be really done if apple doesn't have to but google does. But that just might be how IT is. Um and then they are already allow sid loading of different APP stores because there's like the same sung up store and like all these different things. But they pop up messages when you sit load things that say this is potentially really unsafe, which I think is fair because they can't control what your side loading and if you say I think something dangerous, but apparently that would seem as unfair. So they lost IT and um the judges gna apparently decide in january or february what they're going to have to do for losing IT pay lot of money and the morning .
it's so .
weird here in google .
lost on all accounts and not thinking they're just going to delay this and nothing will actually change. But i'm assuming that does. I also would say if we wonder why they would have to put the the percentage down an apple wooden, my guess is because there's proof that google has, which proves that there isn't one specific fee. If apple is actually always keeping thirty percent no matter what, yeah, then I guess they can at least say, like it's the same for the one words like, well, google, you change IT up, you report you apple .
did preemptively add some stipulations to its things, uh, between the beginning of the epic trial and ending, I believe, where developers who made less than one million dollars did like only had to pay like fifteen percent or something like that. But that also makes up less than five percent of their revenue from from IT yeah anyway so yeah I think in january, very able will see how this works. But IT seems like I could have some pretty major implications because you know, these two APP stores are basically how we get all of our information in the world. But when we're not using a dedicated computer.
I think it's also when we first started talking about this, I was like, this is going to last so long for night, is going to be a completely that game by then. But man, epic has done a great job at keeping that game super, super relevant and popular. It's probably going through one of the biggest mistakes ever, right? yeah.
And people are playing IT. It's the most have ever seen people playing for me against ce like first pop off. So they're dosomething the right over there.
They're finally turning into the metaverse that they wanted IT to be.
One metaverse was a popular internal. There is a really good me .
with a lot of different there.
So many of the biggest that happened was they brought the gino map, which I think was like, bind .
what you wanted. nice.
So yeah, well, wait to see what happens in anyway. But does a pretty interesting .
story see that will finish this up in epo de three hundred yeah right.
One more thing um we did get to revisit the application pro uh and what we did was watch space al videos and look at some panama's on photos just using the photos up in the vision pro. So this point i've use a vision pro several times now, uh, got fit to my head several times, put IT on, taking off several times.
The same thing keep striking me about IT, which is this thing is built so well, this thing is so heavy, and this thing has an incredible set of display, like those things keep hitting me over and over and over every time I use IT is that I tracking word every time, it's very intuitive. And IT is so intuitive, like I have my hand in my lap and i'm just looking at stuff and just just selecting IT. That's still super great.
Yeah but what we got to do is now look at some of the photos, videos that we taken on our own iphone and there is an I O S seventeen two updates that's out now or if you have, I think it's a pro iphone only iphone pro. You can take speciaal videos on your phone. They must be landscape, because the two cameras are next each other, and the difference between them gives you the stereo speciaal depth, whatever.
Shoot a bunch spital videos and got to watch them back on the phone. Basically, they look pretty cool. Still a little gym icky.
I don't know that i'm going to shoot everything in spain now just because you're that ability. IT does not out of ten D P. The one thing i'll say is the spatial effect, the depth effect is super strong.
Linger with him, like one to three feet of your subject, so you get up close to something, a subject, a kid, a pet, something like that, then the spatial effect becomes very dramatic. And like, ow, this is so different. And so three d but if you're just looking at someone five feet away across the room or like a building or a Lance, whatever.
IT just doesn't like that different. I have that you said only for the 4 pro ah， not the 4 pro.
which also has no okay, the reason you give me the reason tell me yes. So .
environment .
a sixteen bionic.
yeah. So they they moved to the orientation of the cameras. So in order to do this you have to shoot para x, which in if you have to shoot para x, you have to have the same plane where the White single camera and the main camera sensor are. They have to be in the exact same plan, and then they have to crop in to the the wide angle camera to be the exact same shot basically as the main camera. So the force pro .
IT was telephoto on the bottom and right on the right. And now that swap .
either telephone White on the right or or wasn't like perfectly aligned with IT.
Most cameras need to be the wide and right. So that was not.
I was to be like on the exact same plane. So this is the first set of cameras that they actually satisfy all those things, rank and shoot spaces without some crazy computational.
I just there is no way they can do a crazy .
goodyer that out half is good, but impressive computational.
yeah. And apple is just going get the new one .
taken but would you get is not on the same plane, but the angle differences doesn't change from phones to phone .
you I would have to interpret the shot differently, would have to do working and like like hire people who like figure that out.
Apple windows.
yeah well, yeah so that the reason only on the pro right now because the regular iphone fifteen is to each other. So the rumor, the big rumor because usually what apple does as they introduce a new feature and it's only in the pro but not in the regular one. And then the next year, that proof feature comes to the regular one. The big rumor is that next year, the regular model will still only have two cameras but they will be linearly aligned instead of um the topic .
is the question though they're going back to what I used to be like, yeah kind of funny yeah that's true.
Here's another possible solution. The regular iphone never get IT and you only have pro because it's the vision pro iphone for the vision pro. We have regular apple vision yet .
is one step further. The sixteen comes out. They disable IT .
from the fifteen. Pero.
I got your apple. So what were .
the panamas like?
So I got to shoot. Look out, bunch of the panamas. Essentially there's two ways to view a panama. One is its up on your wall and it's just a really wide image which is cool. And there is a little bit of parallel.
You can sort of look into the edges of the panama, which is cropping out a little organic OK. And then the other is you hit the panama icon and IT fills your view. So if you have a really, really wide panorama, way wider than two by one, IT will fill your view, and you can literally turn your head and look a hundred eighty degrees at the entire picture as if you're in the scene. Not too this similar from, remember when you took a street view photo, you remember what they call photosphere s OK? Yeah.
how long until they put this in this sphere in vegas .
in this year? All this, you need a spar sphere. You need, like at the top of the bottom. Made po so cool.
And some of the first google photos I have at all, our photosphere. And they are nightmare fuel because the teaching, because the teaching is awful and people move around and there's like one video where like my friend and I, like i'm the top hf of the body and she's a bottle half of the body and it's really disconcerting. They can bring that back with way more computational smarts.
And they could be amazing. Yeah, totally. They could do IT. they? They probably will.
Because of all of this VR like A R stuff, I would imagine that there's gonna more of that because I was doing that with a to like panama c image. But apple could easily have you do a full year capture. I can picture a world where .
in the next iphone or with the next pixel phone and whatever, you just stand in place and kind of like scanning your face or face I D, you just point your phone all around you like a magic one. And once you ve hit all the spots, it'll stich IT all together into this like photo sphere. It's literally get a good, it's a great name. It's the sphere of a photo stitch together where you can just .
look around waiting cameras. They did back in twenty six, twenty, twenty twelve was early in my galaxy three galaxy .
nexus for me yeah is that I was at the time pretty niche. Just like you know how you can step like the google maps, like look at street view stuff you can take your own yeah and for like the six of us and nerds, like I can take, I taken up. Yeah.
I was sweet. yeah. Do you know when they killed photosphere? Is this a but I remember .
them killing IT. That's what I thought.
So turns out .
they got rid of IT right before the pixel eight.
Oh, which is .
very recent.
Find like pixel six or .
tell me update IT in some really .
fancy way. He ying IT was still in the pixel.
Somewhere deep been setting to something that's crazy.
I should have been taking them all these years. Yeah, I could put them in the vision .
for when you search google, photosphere IT says google. And then the links as photosphere IT has no information available on this page and just learn why.
learn why. Oh, another little news blurb. So originally the vision pro, that rumor that was gonna out in march and now the rumors that is going to come out in january, which means we're only a month away.
I'm ready, which I am ready for. I'm ready. I'm excited. Hopefully that's a correct rumor. Yeah so yes.
I can wait, come back and you guys.
jack and I have to starting neck muscle exercises at one thing for fifty minutes .
and I ready yeah and yeah, I I exercise.
Are you to take a quick break? But before we do what more trivial question.
Question number two, google just released their new large language model, gi, named after the audio cine. It's twins. So with that twin theme in mind, where did google, how did google arrive at the named german I for the new large language model? And I have some multiple choices to guide you guys. A.
to trick us the .
merger of lambda and paul, those are both previous large language models by google, right? Or maybe this transformer doesn't matter. B, it's the merger of deep mind and google brain, which, if you may remember, we actually covered in another trivia question.
Yeah, and I get the right.
See, show off. It's a reference to nasas german I missions, which paved the way for the Apollo missions. Or d. Google secretly created a virtual environment where lambda and palm too could argue about the name of google's new alone. After several hours of close loop processing, they came to the names.
I've really .
hope that's what really good get to .
the end at the show.
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I welcome back um since i've missed a few weeks, there is a couple of things I saw you guys got to talk about and I thought maybe we could go over a couple of them that I have A A fighter to on and dying .
china i've been going to china .
in I also have an another chance to watch all the episodes so maybe i'm repeating but when I looked through the note IT seems like I IT was something a little different. So see your thought on this. If you disagree with me, see if i'm just repeating .
the same stuff today for four weeks.
Oh yeah, actually the first thing, can someone grab the stand by me?
Go, oh.
it's set up. Haven't seen I see. I saved IT when David was out because I really wanted David to be here. And then my daughter came in that I missed the week that we did IT so. But I still wanted to make sure dave something.
The next thing I have is the humane a ipad, which I missed, even though we've been talking about for a very long time. And I the thing is, is I kind of before I mentioned my biggest issue with IT, which is the thing so many take things have tried that's using a camera to try and calculate the amount of calories or micrometres or stuff of food. Yes, I do not think this is possible with any technology that we have right now, because there is way too many variables to ever be able to do this.
I hear me out.
I will, but I will, I disagree.
Combine all of the attack we already have.
plus with just vision.
with vision plus google alleged technology that knows so much about your life that I can predict the way you would prepare that food.
No, because what if you go to a restaurant? What if you have the wrong cooking oil home that .
he knows you are a restaurant because your GPS location on you. But how does IT know what they? How does know how they? How is what they be closer than which feels like? Not the reason to .
be counting like nutrient, like you generally are wanting pretty precise.
And I also would like the almond example, right? Theoretically, what you could do is you could use the vision to semantic ally, understand, these are eight almonds, eight almonds, and then fetched nutritional information for almonds, and then do the calculation and then come back. Doesn't currently do that.
Or they sault or they candid, insulted like this even in just that situation, which seems like the easier to possible it's a wildly different .
amount of markets is right? Like we have the technology to get this done, whether not like a camera.
you need some sort of .
like blunt force driver to homogenize the food, and then you put in a chAmber that has a sensor. I can sort of chemically detect what was going on. And then for the nutritional value, IT would get sent to another chAmber that would do to use acid to render IT down into its core parts.
Isn't the way we find out.
Or I think .
I large language model, take all that and explained you yeah and .
then I I I just need a robotic mouth that choose the food and figures that all and baby.
but somebody if you went to a restaurant and you're like all of my AI, tell me the full neck, the microtubules and then a full .
human oy terminator eats all of your food and is of robotic amounts. Did you guys see this thing on twitter the other day where someone build a full on like robotic mouth that measures the force that takes to eat certain foods? And they did IT on a cheeto, and you can just see IT slowly adding more forced cheeto in the numbers.
going up until explode. It's kind of awesome. So now they .
know the exact amount of chewing force that IT takes to eat the hydro c press before chewing. Yeah, cool, great.
But yeah, I no, I yes but I think you just covered everything, my thoughts on the A I pin. But that food thing I just there like the june of and tries to figure out stuff that's inside and it's .
not even telling me colors and it's wrong ninety .
percent of the time that are so many different variables type you're using when you're cooking, are you frying IT? Are you baking IT? There's just way, way, way too much to ever. And then like I feel like at a certain point, if you're being that vae about IT, I don't think you care about .
counting colors so much. Yeah I feel like you could potentially take the like generic food. You could have a eg plant permission on on and IT searches as water eggplant permission. Let's take ten of them, take the average calorie count of teNancy.
But like you said, like I mean, the problem is even if you're manually trying to do macro counting and stuff, if you go to a restaurant, you literally cannot because you cannot have them give you exact list in the exact amount that they make things with like that will just never happen. So you're aren't guessing. So my fitness fell is not super specific.
Um so I think my like biggest issue with IT was in not very many examples of their video mapping, one of the felt bigger examples and I just don't think it's possible or like useful at all.
So currently, I would never ask a large language model if there is something .
i'm deathly allergic to that seem yet unless you just show up like i'm holding .
peanut s and i'm allergic to them. People say there being in the word blueberry and like now .
or if you just like pointing at a tray of Browns and say other nuts in these and IT doesn't see any on this, yes no and then it's full of then you die literally .
can tell from vision IT literally can tell what .
just haven't digested for .
you and baby but too we also we have to stand by me, go over here. Yeah um IT is on the producer table right now.
rotated to be uh virtual orientation.
Oh yeah that, oh, my god. It's so cool.
It's so cool.
Okay, for audio listeners, there is a portrait photo of ellis. The stand by me go when he was in landscape. So we figured, let's turn IT into portraits. There will be the full picture and IT shunk the picture. So it's still in portrait.
but playing landscape on the to be a fireplace.
which is the speakers play.
It's really heavy. Did you get .
oh my god.
when you if you hold IT closed with the, with the handle .
IT is so heavy it's later than the other brief casting we have.
What is the pounds? It's thirty thirty ounds. It's really very dance. The camping influencers that they use, I think, was the perfect .
use case for this. Yeah you're not really Carrying IT. You're more just like packing IT yes, keeping IT in with your luggage up .
right still heavy as although .
yeah yeah I just that it's heavy yeah I yeah no I can kind of see IT as being a cool thing to like if you have at your house and you have people over and you wanted to play like jack box games like outside on the party or something like how much is IT again?
A thousand dollars. Okay.
maybe this or the moto compact.
I vote the company to.
There's also some really nice, I think issues makes them portable U S.
B, C monitors that they're like a hundred fifty minutes. You you have you got to hook something up to .
the easiest monitor. No.
I guess you were just you could just like connect your internet connection to watch you to .
videos just and yeah no, I was thinking more like professionally know like you show you and you .
a second of you paying a black .
and it's .
real profession, right?
I still hope that that's how people do crime. Money exchanges through crypto is they bring their crypto o while on the stand by me go so they can still clap IT on the table and open up the case and show all the body of that are the next thing I have, and maybe this. So the same old man, C.
E. O. debacle. I miss that. That sound like a fun.
Lucky you. I know I that is very confusing. It's a lot. I guess I just don't know much about sam alen IT seems like people were pumped to that.
He's back. Did you watch the I didn't IT was the most insane like friday to monday experience yeah.
I watched you guys freaking out on slack IT seems like a lie. I just want everyone remember that this guy made a weird horb thing for confirming when you're buying clipt out, it's like a cypher D M V.
Yeah I just thought member that he brings around the people and IT scans their eyes to like verify their ID and then you use that. And the the pitch of world coin is that eventually, when we hit agi and nobody like needs to work anymore, crypto is going to be the way that we like that we transact for things. And so you have you're gonna to have human verification. And the only way to do that is the retina verification.
I just don't get IT and I can't believe I just surprised me that the person who did this is also the person that's running one of them, arguably the most. Are you surprised? Technological advances, things going on.
right checks .
is also a huge doomy proper.
Why we know a lot about this kind. I didn't .
know that there that all thing .
that time .
that seems like fun. It's like one of those things where I had the exact same thoughts again like this seems copy internal phone and then just all of the evidence of the exact same things being stolen yeah and in such a worst quality and beans, I can't believe I mean, I know a deep in case is fifty box, but I can't believe there's a case in best by where people will provide like walk by and buy a phone test and it's seventy five thousand.
You just is like one ty five dollars. I can understand .
people maybe buying seventy five dollars from cases, but as like a little cardboard k ask thing like best by winter walking by IT. Ah I am surprised and I think that .
is the best by decision. I'm not the whole sale Prices but best. But I decided that that was .
a seventy some dollar case that was a that fun drama watch and see kind of the entirety of the internet take the same side.
The brand also always just makes legal, very entertain lost IT. S P R. Yeah, welcome back. Yeah yeah it's fun. That's and it's .
hard to do that unless you are very in the right yeah and if they can pull that off and everyone's underside .
and the fact is that case fy people, I didn't realize of the easter eggs that they added in. So they had .
like robots and like I really like the most low effort possible thing for that company to do.
I one thing they took away that they definitely thought was a new strike but didn't want IT is like on the samsung Better I think I said like sub and then on one of the the ribbon cables and then they put crime under its like subscribe so they provide just not only said subscribe and they changed that to the case file logo but really the sub was actually real ends like but right next to IT was the one one, one one and they didn't take. So like, you know, they even actively tried to change things on there to make IT not seem like and effort .
to try to change this badly than IT would have taken them to just go to their own tech.
Unfortunate here um and then like kind of the this I thought was really funny but you guys did talk about grath TOTO and having like wild numbers I don't think you talked about but the thing I found the funniest about this whole thing was a Linda from twitter twitter.
Like why .
aren't you posting this on twitter?
O but like did .
you talk about how he was just so like the whole discussion on twitter was a bunch of the developers being like we had this old thing playing tomorrow. We were gonna ch, the launch of IT. We are going to a great day celebrating.
And twitter is the one who leaked IT and like twitter being at like to ruins into their day and IT all got leaked. And now the CEO of twitter like, hey, why don't you posted on twitter instead? Look at many impressions that out, which is fully a slap in the face to the people that were like, yeah so excited and got something ruined through twitter.
One hand, it's clear that people on twitter really want to see IT. On the other hand, in the room.
it's just like IT feels like another thing that twitter is now just run by people that do not understand at all. And I know that's more specific and she's got a lot of other Better things to be doing probably, but like someone probably should have .
been like probably I also got way Better at revenue on youtube.
哦 是 and and you the youtube numbers crushed the witter .
number yeah。 And like I trust .
those numbers way more than I the youtube one. I mean, IT was a very ranchi video. I don't think IT probably .
did very well. Ads, oh, that's good.
But I don't think are cares hundred million views is one hundred million views no matter what you have ads or not like that what you're therefore yeah that's interesting. That's a good point thing.
So my biggest coup about that was just like IT felt like a slap in the face to the people who were saying, like this kind of ruin our day of launch yeah and then being like, well, why don't you come over here like, cause you kind of just really and then the last thing I was the beer money, but I feel like we kind of talked about that a little bit already.
Um your opinion that seems like I think my biggest issue and this will stem based on whether R C S coming in the future if we know that has encysted or not. But we're seeing a lot like deeper being like the apple doesn't care about encryption for their users when they talk to people on android. Um but IT feels we are doing that after R C, S was finally announced because that's the play google been doing for so long and I took so long.
Yes, apples they can't .
IT feels like you can't like at this point that's not the argument anymore. Like they should have encysted both sides, but that should be coming hopefully this is also though coming from somebody who has never used that message. And if I had the opportunity to use that message on my android.
I wouldn't. This is what I was going to ask you this. So if beeper many worked perfectly exactly as advertised, would you use IT?
No, but that's nothing against deeper many. I just, I don't care. I've never used my message, so maybe I don't know what i'm missing.
Couple of things like you might have a family member who sends you pictures and they all super blurry or you might have that's the .
biggest thing right now. I can react to things. Yes, with R, C, S now yeah I guess the video stuff, but I usually so I A lot of family members on android, my mom, my and goal like a lot of them.
and as videos of the kids and stuff, it's fine.
Uh, we just have a google album that we use. Think, I think when I was in college.
both most of my friends were on android and on the west coast in california, most people use facebook messenger. None of IT was a problem.
So yeah, yeah. Facebook management .
in california is like, overwhelmingly popular whereon. The east coast here, it's all eye ssa's weird yeah so slowly those friends all transition to iphone, which my life a little bit harder um and then I also just don't use basic passengers anymore so almost at all yeah no yeah.
Just quick break cap. Obviously you guys covered a lot of stuff that I wasn't that deep into if I can go through all of IT in a third of an epsom. But just thought i'd throw some opinions out there that all I get wasted.
So cool. yeah. Glad I did that. Glad I get to go home. now. Take care of the kid and read mean comments.
Well, we should get a couple more main comments to the answers for trivia questions. So as to trivia.
my answer is just just what's up the .
other meta messaging? APP, yeah .
correction from last week trivia before this week ti via h um we said last week that the fastest production car or exceed me, the first production car to hit two hundred miles an hour was the dodge charger day toner. But some people informed us that while you could buy the dodge charger, detonate with the hemmy four to six that set the record, the version you could buy at the dealership was not tuned to go two hundred miles an hour. So well, that car in its configuration could could, in theory, go to a miles an hour and was documented to do so. The car you buy, the dealership would require a little bit of tuning to get right and probably Better breaks to make IT safe.
So do we know the real answer to which was first to tune IT?
Seems like IT was a farmer for about twenty years later that you .
could buy something that was so that .
I be untouched and I would just go out. I'm not giving you any points because i'm fickle.
Now was wrong. I had the boy of very around. I was wrong.
Trivia question number one, castle in palaces are two bright stars in the northern missions that make up what's conStellation .
we should like, Jackson and palaces.
Nope, that isn't.
That's a present.
That's too .
at that's .
not that I was.
It's an artist.
It's an .
artist also that a .
whole for thing that .
I did not realize was going to be such a controversial question because even the things we were looking .
up online.
people were like.
it's hard to find the right answer.
I don't know very many consolations. So I just wrote gami.
We all rote gi.
but I also put total google AI logo that everyone uses for some reason.
And I you guys .
all figured out in the first one, I didn't figured out till later in the episode.
And I get that like at the light board moment.
So played on the score after that. Markets is with seventeen l Andrew with one, two, three, one, thirteen? no. hey. And David with sixteen.
What was David last job?
Sorry.
I still want to. I'm going to this here real quick. Mark is answer to my twitch. Do was wrong by warranted.
IT was my old in game name from when I first started playing halo till like probably sometime in college prior, like ten past years. IT was too correct. IT was too correct. You were too deep in the yeah.
thank you.
Thank question over two. According to a wired magazine article, where did google get the name for their gami LLM? A, A merger of lambda and poem to b, the merger of deep mind and google brain, which recovered in another trivia episode.
Trivia question. See a reference to the NASA german emissions, which predated, which predated and paved the way for the Apollo missions. Or d, google actually created a virtual environment where lambda and paul m too, could argue about the name of google's new L. M. And after several hours of closed .
loop processing.
IT came to the name of gi.
Why are you writing for so long?
Because he was doing that thing where he read the local case.
maybe.
There is very impressive.
Thank you. You're welcome. I'm not a confident about my answer, but I hope you'll put different answers. I kind of think we .
all put the same answer.
No IT. I'll see .
your same answer .
at sigh.
Sea I D because I just .
wanted to be A I D sorry.
I put sea. I also put sea.
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