How Sustainable Are Tech Companies, Really?
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What is that? People of the internet. Welcome back to another episode of the way from podcast this time. A bit of a fun special one. So a bit of background. We've been making lots of videos on tech for a long time, right? Lots of consumer electronics, lots of tech companies and the stories behind them.

But you might notice lately, in the past couple of years, we've seen more and more climate related messaging from these companies as we all need to get on the same page that they should be more responsible about their impact on the climate. You might remember the sketch with tim cook and mother nature and the last apple of them, or any number of various quotes, about percent of recycled materials in this and sustainability residence that in any sort of. So we've been noticing lately, and I want to be able to analyze all that, but I don't know nearly enough about IT to make really good analysis of that.

So this we have someone who can. So rally from climate town is joining us, David, to my left, rally to my right. We're going to talk about all of these, these companies, their claims.

We're going to zoom out as far as we can to try to understand what they're doing and what they maybe should be doing. And I think this is a really good conversation to have. So really thanks for joining me.

Thank you so much for help me. I'm really excited to be in .

in the layer yeah in the hot sea yeah I mean, we have a tony questions and I feel like probably the best pace to start is with what you do. So your youtube channel, climate town, I watch a bunch of videos.

Thank you so much.

Some of them incredibly informative about things that I never would even thought to look recycling um the latest one about roads a lot really good stuff. What is what is your elevator push? How do you describe what you do when people asked that's my favorite question .

as creators um my elevator I finally gotten around to telling people ad parties that like they are like what do you do and I say i'm a youtube r and I don't have to like back up and be like like do climates do we can we swear on this? I was like, bleeping yeah yeah. So my new elevator pitches that i'm like a extremely low budget. John Oliver, we're we're trying to get to that sort of are like john Wilson and john Oliver kind of together because we go into the field and caught in like you know on location shooting. But it's always based on something about the climate crisis yeah .

that's the that's the vegas st pitch that the natural follow question would be why is that the topic that you dive into? So what the answer to that being your education?

Yeah yeah. So I used to make billions videos very regularly. My start on youtube was as a billiards influencer. And wow yeah. And like they are out there.

we exist, hung table up and not the pull.

We do a .

billions table. I have clock sticks, but they're all the same kind, which means that we're bought in bull, which means not high. We're pretty average.

I I was clock in IT. Just trying to see if these guys were hustlers or not. But that doesn't mean you're not .

you could have them and like, oh yeah, this second .

layer of yes, yes. So I did like a bunch of poor videos, and I kind like honed my chops of editing and hosting through the poor videos. And then I I moved to new york to do comedy in the first place as doing a comedy show. And I was the question, how did I get into this, sorry.

why climate as the yeah .

yeah so I doing a comedy show and I was the comedy show was like, i'm a sort of a strung out algal kind of figure doing like and I told you so tour, like I called that I knew climate is happening. And then I had enough climate experts and climate scientists on the show, like in a comedic way, like i'd interview them in character. And then we would have like comedians from snow and Jimmy fan come on the show because they're all in new york.

You can throw a no come run yeah and then eventually six months to doing the show and enough conversations with these like climate scientists around the a beer after the show were like, so well, we're going to be fine, right? And they're like, no, no, where way further away from from where we need to be and so then I I was like, okay, well, if I go back to grad school and study climate science and policy, I can make a really good comedy show and maybe through that I can like be a good climate to munich's. So then I did that and that's where the show came.

interesting. How long did that take you to complete?

Um IT was a two years I took I did the programme in two years, but one of the years, one and a half of the years were during cover. So is like IT was a very expensive university of phoenix, but IT was columbia. So they charged columbia Prices for like not really knowing how to do IT online .

uh yeah super early in that. So coming out the other side of that now, you've see you've learnt a lot about climate and the situation we find ourselves. Have you also noticed this increase in messaging from these tech companies? I don't know how many key notes you get to watch, but they all sort of seem to talk about work recycling at some point now.

Yeah yeah. I mean, I think it's it's certainly as of like the twenty fifteen s with the paris climate accord d like that sort of Sparked this available like climate pledges and companies realizing like that, consumers really were interested in having a planet where they could still, you know, fish and ski in bed. So I think they're realizing like, oh, this is gonna be an important piece of our company going forward. And so they're all getting on on board with like pledges which are not their actions. But yeah, you're close.

Huge difference between promises and what we actually see happen, and something we also talk about a lot, we see these promises, is how much does x company actually care? Like you try to judge based on their promise and their actions does IT seem like they actually care about the environment. And that is .

a tough question. You know, almost not I, almost not a question, I think. Is that meaningful to their actions? Because you don't have to care about the planet to do a good thing for the planet.

And you could care about the planet and do a bad thing for the planet, right? Like I don't I don't really care if apple wants me to have a nice evening out, but like if they are, you know promoting your site and they if they're either truly like trying to recollect all of their cobalt, for instance, to reuse and their batteries, like that's a whether it's for they are marketing or for the planet, right? And care, you know.

just get the cobo.

get the coal a .

thing in most recent apple cannot or they were like, we now can fit way more apple watches on one car for the invited in the back of my I had i'm thinking, well that saving you a lot on shipping and yeah so I guess IT can be both yeah I mean.

I think honestly the only way they're onna do this is if IT is both, which sucks for us. But like that there's the breaks like that, that's the system that we not so much voted for but that the corporate interest of like lobbied for and like you know, it's sort of a you got got to do a double pronged attack, single pronged no two prongs a prongs. Is an individual a double? Ont.

yeah, I like the way I see that is every decision that we see a public facing company make always has the public facing reason. And in the private reason usually is this makes us look at this makes us more money, but also like we care about the money a lot. That's of what we do. Yeah.

that's their whole and kind .

of our whole deal making a lot like like .

they have they look the fiduciary obligation of the shareholder. There's in the board of director is like you have to grow, you have make money and you have to make the decisions that you can justify will make you the most money or they will fire you. And so yeah I don't know it's it's a tough system to yeah have a beneficial outcome from. So in the context .

of all of this, knowing that these companies need to make money and that they have this massive impact on the environment and knowing that we are an particularly delicate place with our climate right now, I figured we go over these like three big bullet points.

Maybe there are even the best bull points you can let me know, but these three big bullet points that I think consulate, a pretty good understanding of everything that will need to know to make decisions about these companies, those being carbon emissions, clean energy and recycling. We see a lot about all these things. I think we will probably talk a lot about apple in this because they are so public about IT.

But a lot of company sort of fall in their footsteps and do similar stuff. So i'll start with carbon emissions, just in general. Well, first, we should just cut the baseline. What are carbon emissions and where they bad?

sure.

yes. Just we all on the same.

What is carbon on the periodic table?

A element six.

nice. Yeah, I got IT.

Okay, I had to go through that in my head. Um yes. So I mean, it's an incredible element, right? It's IT forms text hijo bonds at one hundred and nine point five degree bond angle.

I don't think that's right. You can look that that did you? Oh yeah, but I I, I tani L, I hope so somebody is going to be like, actually, that's is IT possible .

for humans to form that kind of bond as well. I use you too.

certainly have that bond. I, you could see IT a mile away. You don't have to be a chemistry teacher to see your chemistry guys here okay wow, that that in my head was like, this is gonna kill. But that really, really flooded anyway. Yes, so carbon dioxide is a byproduct of burning fossil fuels there.

Any hydro carbon really um and IT it's a gas is a Greenhouse gas which means IT will go off into the atmosphere and capture inference radiation and reradiated IT back out so IT dos IT doesn't capture incoming U V rays so that comes into the planet and then IT hits the planet which heats up and IT pops off infrared radiation and the mac is captured by carbon dioxide. But also other gas is mEthane. Um knocks like there's a lot of different. There's like seller haxo floor ride that's got like. Twenty thousand times the heat retention capacity of C O two yeah that you use IT in power lines for .

installation. Do you think that we focus too much on carbon and not .

if anything, I focus too much on other stuff in that last set. Like carbon dioxide is the, I mean, carbon dioxide, mEthane, kind of the two, the two big bad of the current moment? But these are, these are pollutants. They capture energy.

And that energy, it's like a blanket on the earth through IT, just hits up earth, which would be fine except we have sort of created all of our systems to work in a certain biome environment and like we're rapidly changing environment. So we're yeah slowly ruining all of the systems that we've we've developed. So that's carbon diocese. What was the question? I'm so sorry.

I think because we just want to establish like we all know that emitting too much carbon in the atmosphere bad and these giant tech companies for our manufacturing millions and millions of products and shipping them all over the world and people pluggin these products like there's a ton of carbon emissions that come from them doing business. And so their goal is going to be to minimize their impact on the environment.

And so what they're telling us they're doing is minimizing their carbon footprint and quote, becoming carbon neutral. But I think you kind of have to look past that title into what they're actually doing and what that means to decide if it's working or not. Um I think the sort of famous one we all see is apple wants to be entirely carbon neutral as a company by thirty.

Apple, a big company. So that's a big promise. Huge buildings, manufacturing suppliers all over the world, shipping all over the world IT seems impossible that they can do all that without admitting any carbon. So how are they going to do this? How are they going to reduce their carbon .

foot t print to actually be zero? Yeah so the short answer is they're not gonna do that. Um but what they can do is a sort of accounting technique that they emit as much carbon as they're going to admit. They try to reduce IT and then they offset the rest of the carbon by like the easiest weight, like there's a thing called carbon offsets, which I suspect will be talking about pretty shortly here. Yeah, but they're going to know they probably can't reduce their carbon output to zero. So they're going to fix gure out what they're gona try to figure out how much they're editing and then pay other people not to emit or pay for projects that are removing carbon from the atmosphere, like timber projects that grow trees and then I 4 quest to the carbon from the trees or hundred other techniques and a with various degrees of like how effective they are here。

There's one where they just scoop IT at the atmosphere and put on the ground.

Is that really? No yeah that's that's what called dc or direct air carbon capture restrain. But they don't. The scoop is more like poverty ed limestone. And they like, yeah IT takes so much energy, do IT it's just like always more efficient to just not admit in the first place. But but there are tech company, so they want to probably do the tech part.

So I found it's it's interesting watching what apple does because they kind of do a little of everything all over the board. I found that the number one obviously still amit some carbon, so they do have to do some amount of carbon capture to make up for what they am IT. But on the other hand, they also are attempting to make a difference in how much carbon and how sustainable their processes are in the first place.

Yes, which I think is way more noble and way more impact for um which we can talk about more. But I think in general, it's it's important to understand that you kind of that, that scale can be carbon neutral. You will be a meeting a ton of it's just a matter of how much you value the other part of adequation, like removing carbon from the atmosphere or he said, paying others to not MIT.

Yeah, there's like I mean, there's a lot ways to offset your carbon to carbon neutrality is not so much like zero zero. It's like you know hundred million tons over the course of a few years and then you you like account for one hundred million tones not going into the atmosphere or coming out of the atmosphere. So like there is no version of this where like apple does zero, right and and they know that I mean they would like to not emit any carbon dioxide that would be great but like yeah they have to or they feel they have to um yeah so so they are gonna find some way to to baLance the equation.

When you said that they pay people to not emit carbon, that seems like a loophole. Where couldn't people just .

come in and say we're in with carbon offsetting, actually like all carbon offset. So for instance, if you want to like, oh, hey, I want to eat a ton of carbon, so i'm there's a forest that's going to get cut down and turned into they're just going to burn IT for fun. There's like a group maybe there's a group people who just like like burning fire or something um so you're say, okay, no to that group, we're going to pay for this forest to be protected.

And then that's onna offset, right which kind of works thread if they were gonna burn IT and then you stop them from burning and that kind of works but if they were just thinking about IT or weren't gonna burn IT in the first place, then it's like you can say, hey, will you just say you're gna burn IT? Yes, but apples not going to be like y to tell me we're onna destroy this forest. They're trying to do their best. But you I mean, these are just really, really hard projects to prove that they're additional. So like additionality ties and important part of yeah carbon offsetting.

has there been a whole industry that popped up around like not admitting in order to make money?

Um yeah I mean, that's the offset industry. There is either removal or maintenance of a forest and there is a lot of like there are many, many, many examples of a already protected forest that they're like, oh, now it's an offset. We're gna like not burn this down.

We weren't ever gona clear cut IT, but we're going to say we're not clear cutting IT now, which kind of makes sense because if you have a forest and you're like, i'm gonna a good person and i'm not gonna clear cut this forest, i'm going to leave this forest and then somebody who was gonna cut their forest down gets a bunch of money for the offsets, you're like, what the hell I was the good person, I should get that money. So it's just like IT sort of like capitalism is not the best system for maintaining a livable climate. interesting. And I know i'm the first person to think that and say that so hot take yeah yeah .

I do have I feel like my favorite way to understand more complex topics is to make analogies for IT. And I felt when you describe like net zero carbon impact, if if you can oversimplify IT till like you're driving a car, if you drive this car one hundred yards IT, we'll off the edge of a Cliff, right? So I understand that my whole business to drive the car, but if I can pay someone else not to drive their car, then I can still drive my car ford.

If you could pay someone to drive in reverse.

if I can pay someone else to drive backwards or maybe I drive forward and then drive backwards or it's like, yeah technically that no.

no, no. That is technically yeah.

you have removed the carbon dios, yes. So there is like a sort of a dance that they have to do to be able to justify net .

carbon certain. And it's a they you know like to be clear, they are not required to do this and they're not required to buy offsets and they're not required really in in, in most jurisdictions, they don't have to do this. So this is this is the the problem where like a lot of these offsets are, some of them are not.

And we should be encouraging investing in offsetting projects be at like forest protection or um director carbon capture. I mean, like that's probably gonna a thing that we have to do because we can't reduce our emissions. So like this a good thing to encourage and do.

But then companies are like, okay, great. We're just going to like throw one hundred k at this like solar farm, and then we're going to do what what we want to do. So it's like to get out of jail free card, and that's not how we should think about IT.

So there's been this trend in the last couple of years where a lot of smart phone manufactures, in particular, but this is happening kind of throughout the industry. They've slowly been removing the stuff that they give you in the box. And their whole reasoning for doing this is like, oh, we're saving the environment by not giving you a charger or we're now using cardboard and the boxes are way slimmer and yeah, we can fit way more on our truck.

But but if they but the bigger the bigger question is like the charges, that kind of stuff, do you think? I mean, again, like we talk about earlier, IT doesn't have to be a zero some game like IT doesn't have to be bad for their business in order to also be good for, right? But like in that trend in particular, where do you think that leans?

I mean, it's IT feels IT feels case dependent but IT does feel a little bit mark speech. It's like, you know that kind of the bug, not feature, not a bug. Be like, oh yeah, you were supposed be able to clip right through that wall and like pop right into the boss chAmber.

We made that know well, we wanted to do that. yes. IT feels like here's the thing about like modern marketing teams. They're very smart and they're like, you know, we saw don draper in mad men. There is like a million of those people and they've all seen mad men like they have the background already.

They know how to spin anything and they're just spin you know, you could throw like a hundred problems with the iphone at a marketing guy and they may be out by once. You you like, no problem. What else you got yeah yeah when .

I OK and an l og have told before I think on the podcast already actually, but I all use this again, is you seen those youtube videos were like someone will go up to a host person and give them a hundred box and then it's like you get this cool reaction on camera or like, see A I did a good did but like, okay, but you had like a camera going and IT doesn't really feel as much of a good deed but also technically you still.

I think I bet the person who ve got one hundred dollars was like sick and I .

think that's the interesting thing is like, okay, he said, they are not required to do any other things that they're doing. But there is sort of a feel good angle to IT and is also the whole pushing their responsibility onto the customer angle little bit. I wonder deeding people actually buy more things because they are more environmentally friendly?

Or as in, do people like offset the environmental friendliness by over purchasing? Or do you think people purchase based on knowing something is money from yeah .

or even just think feel Better about a purchase because of that slide in the presentation?

Yes, absolutely. I think that in fact, like if IT wasn't if that wasn't the case, companies would stop doing in because like this is such an effective marketing to all, especially like there is a real climate crisis happening and so like a company that's like, oh, right, we'll use this crisis and then people who are word about this crisis will buy the thing yeah and it's like the company maybe isn't doing IT to be like a mako value, like puppy master because the company, probably the marketing teams is like, yeah, we don't want that to be a climate crisis.

Like I wish the client was great. So like everyone is kind of you know like leaning into the problem a little bit in a way I don't think is terribly inferiour individually, yes, but you don't judge a system on what you want the system to do. You judge IT on what the outcomes are. And I think in this case, the outcomes are like were really consumerism, that that's a word right?

Consumerism I can be have gone with, yes.

where aren't really our consumerism is out the charts. And we're certainly purchasing more and more now. And they're certainly like more claims of sustainability and we're still emitting way wait too much carbon dioxide or carbon dioxide equivalent, and you can even clip this part and put IT into the other part because carbon dioxide equivalent is like how much the other Greenhouse gases contribute using carbon dioxide as a benchmark.

So could be ten times as much of a less potent chemical that has the same effect as one team .

th of the amount of common oxide. Wow, yes, yeah, sorry, I do that that but I think that's right. Mostly as you is IT for like some for instance, mEthane is like twenty two times more potent than carbon dioxide and eighty times more poland over a twenty year period.

So like you just count that into um the carbon oxide. So like every method e molecule you can is like twenty two. And that's .

actually really interest as the difference of saying between just a peer amount of emissions or how how effective IT is over time, how much impact you have over time.

Yeah, yeah. So mEthane degrades in the atmosphere are a little faster than carbon ax I does that that stays around forever. It's like, it's like body spray. don't. No, IT smells terrible. no. yeah.

So mEthane degrades a lot faster than carbon dioxide, but over a twenty year time horizon, which is the time arizon that we're living in and probably care most about because that's when like a lot of the heating met, we're trying no prevent is locked in. MEthane is like even more important than co two. And so is a potentially .

true that in a lot of these like emissions statements, they're using carbon emissions equivalent and may be there is a mix of things in there that might add up to zero, but it's kind of money now that .

there is different factors. I mean, they should be using carbon dioxide equivalent because takes all the carbon diet IDE and includes all the other gases that are doing what carbon dioxide is doing, but worse and faster yeah. So like you wanted use CEO to equivalent.

So when someone says their carbon neutral, usually they're talking they are they're talking about trying to be carbon dioxide and the other Greenhouse gases. Ual C O U is the benchmark. So it's not like um in ten years there, C O two equivalent will go down because it's degraded. It's like that's what there there their output .

was sort of became .

a blanket term. Yeah, yeah.

dick. I to take a quick break, we have a more to talk about, from clean energy to a cycling and electricity, all that. But stay with us. We'll be at that.

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get your pocket right. Well, come back. We got a lot more to talk about. I think probably a good packaging way to to end the carbon neutrality part is that feels like it's both a real thing, a real concept and an accounting practice. Yeah and that's probably how we should look at IT just because there's a lot going on to equal carbon zero. yeah.

I think that's a good to think about IT. Like we want to encourage companies to do their best to have the best possible versions of the offsets you that like is certified and fundamentally permanent and not duplicative. A real word and a additional. And these are like, these are things that they know. And the Better the offsets are, the more real their neutrality.

Yeah, yeah. So that brings us to clean energy, or as a whole, another topic, clean energy. How would you describe clean energy? There's a thousand different ways you could probably define IT. But in the context of tech companies and all the energy they use, how would you define clean energy?

Yeah, I think clean energy is energy generation that is low carbon. I think for me, the cleanliness factor is, is how low of carbon IT is. I think when you get into burning coal, you get even dirtier, worse by products.

Um and so but luckily, amErica is like pretty much of coal for the most part and you know like it's really expensive during a coal generation facility. So we're sort of on the ads with coal. All I mean, remember, this is A A global problem and eighty percent of the world's energy is till foss of you isn't a lot of that is cold across the world.

So like it's still a huge problem. But clean energy is something that uses as low carbon is possible. So that's gonna, wind, solar, hydro, that's going to be geothermal and nuclear.

And probably missing four of them. But but these these sources, did I certainly come on? I definitely said wind, right? yeah. They said wind got run IT back. Run IT back right now and do a slower of are .

any of these methods carbon zero?

no. I mean, like look working here talking and were carbon positive. Like we're all exeat carbon dioxide, which is like a thing that these like you you want climate change to end and yet you drink from a water bottle curious I yeah and so like .

worlds society but yet you existing IT right .

pick a flag brother. I definitely wanted like we're all emitting currently so nothing that you're onna do even like the walk to a waterway is carbon x your breathing out yeah um but also like .

and that that sounds .

like a minimizing the amount of carbon required for like a wind turbine. And I don't want to do IT because it's a lot of carbon required for all of this set up. Solar solar panels like they do also take carbon uh to to producing to set up and to a little bit to run. But like once you're through the set up phase like advertising that over a handful of years and then you're you're good on the carbon side.

is there one of those that you think is the most effective? So he would like to see more of throughout the world.

I mean, so one nice thing about like solar and wind is that they are officially the cheapest form of energy. Now like the cost curve for those two has just fAllen and off of a Cliff. And now like in the past ten years, like solar power has dropped ninety percent in the Price.

And yeah, it's like we we've just marched IT all the way down the costco. If so, I think like I would like to personally, I want to see more battery installation. I think that the that is the like fix for intermittent cy. There's also I know I know all of the things that kids online say and i'm going .

to you're going down the rabbles in .

your head before even get a yes and it's like, well, yeah but like at night, you can get some power and the wind does not blow what do you do then a shit you know like you then you need your coal, the burn um and the answer is like, well yeah but that's how the grid was set up when all we had was cold you know like why are we judging these new technologies by like this the benchMarks of the eighteen hundred years, the way to cut the mitanni of renewable like solar and wind is battery storage. So you like extradite the these batteries when you are when you have too much solar, you and then you're able to like, cut that, cut that, the drop off. Yeah, I did.

I did a video on my set up, which is IT obviously takes a lot. And we can this another rabbit hole to, I create the batteries and to ship your house all that. But once you have IT all set up, you have batteries.

I have batteries in my garage, and I have solar panels on the roof. And the whole thing just kind of work as a cycle hardly ever touches. The grid charges the car. The house runs off electricity from solar all day.

And so that's like a nice ideal set up, but it's still not carbon zero because you have to get IT all of the house there is that whole rabbit le? Um but I think what we want to talk about to some of these big tech companies works like, okay, now you're google. How how on earth do you attack that problem of like all of your buildings and all of your manufacturing electricity and the lights and everything being a clean energy? We have a quote here from google.

Google has claimed that they have matched one hundred percent of its global annual electricity consumption with the purchase of renewable energy OK. okay. So this kind of feels like another accounting practice. What does this mean?

I mean, it's it's tough because this is great. Like we like that google is investing their money in clean energy, right? I I want to say google JoNathan pee google if you're listening, thank you.

You're doing love what you're doing with the place um the the accounting strategy is real, right? Like you're generating power from all sorts of places. Those electrons get mixed up in a big electron soup and then they're powering google. So like the various parts of google.

So it's not as though like every electron that turns on the light in john I google office is from renewable energy source, right? But they are I believe they are accounting for all that energy through things like power purchase agreements and rec purchases that which are renewable energy certificates. So when you mean got I I know what i'm going to say and i'm already bored by what I say. I'm so when you produce clean energy, you you dumped into the grid and you also get a recor renewable energy certificate that you can sell and that's a way to incentivize more renewable energy a generation yeah so google can effectively offset the electricity that they use by making sure that they have accounted for all their electricity through purchasing direct from renewable energy companies or purchasing renewable energy certificates for the mega hours they're been using o so of divides again until .

like those two camps of like you can either get your supply as clean as possible or you can accept that your supply won't always be clean, but sort of accept that total and purchase offsets in some way that can account for that, right.

which is what we want to encourage, right? We want to incentivize that. But also like IT, IT also encourages google to make claims, like every single thing we've ever done is renewable able energy. We've never once even thought about using natural gas as an energy source yeah. And like, of course, you can very easily point to a time when some station was run on natural gas yeah.

But because they bought so many offsets, they can say that everything they've .

ever done has been offset. In fact, like legacy emission, this is new after is kind of hot on this, where it's like we're going to calculate all the electricity we've ever used and offset that. But also like google is doing some place where they will install geothermal a generation on, I think the baby campus is all geothermal heat pumps.

wow. And so that's like powered pretty renewability and also IT cuts down on their water usage. So like they're doing cool. I wanted that. Did not talk more about the language because google lays down this sort of complicated like matched one hundred percent you know it's not exactly the clearest the world but in the sort of apple companion sister cress release.

That they always do um they fall on, say, apple's global facilities are powered with one hundred percent clean energy across forty three countries, which just feels like an impossible wrong thing. So are you allowed to say powered with one hundred percent clean energy even if you're just just offset? And yeah so I think apples claim that they've like they are powered one hundred percent renewable in forty three ah countries when they only have power generation in twenty something countries is is like so you're not powered by that. You're doing the offsetting. And to my knowledge, I think they are also doing some kind of power purchasing or or rec purchasing or something and just calling IT powered because you can do the mental judea's to make you feel like that's .

what's powering you is sorry. And I like when they say, like made with made with a hundred percent real juice or something and it's like half from concentrate, but it's made with a hundred percent .

real juice.

There was A R an attempt.

And I think it's actually even worse than that because the fda pretty tightly regulates things like that. And there are such loose regulations in what you're allowed to say. europe.

I think the european parliament is is to starting to crack down on that. And so like you can't make Green washing claims like one hundred percent clean powered if it's not the U S. Blessed little hearts has fewer screw ples about what companies along to say marketing wise. Um so yeah, I think apple can say that and they can back IT up by proving on every single time we we like flush the toilet, doesn't that's the one thing that doesn't take a electricity my god. Every time we turn the light on and turn the fan on in the bathroom, what i'm blow, we can account for that in renewable energy and yeah I mean, like think they can you know like they kind of can and also no one is no wanna walk into tim cooks office who runs apple. Now.

tim OK.

I almost said Steve jobs. I really no one's going to dig up Steve jobs and arrested.

So this is a really interesting thing because apple, i've learned a lot about what apple's been doing. And they canna do both sides of this where yeah they clearly can't be completely renewable. And so their statements kind of feel fuzz in that way.

But on the other hand, they have a lot of solar on on their hq. I doubt the entire thing runs from solar, but they have a lot of solar there. They have all solar farms that they've contributed to building. And then the one thing that really stuck with me was having a meeting with them, them talking about manufacturing also.

That's a very cool sense to say having a .

meeting with oh no ah. They love to talk about year off about all the great things that are doing. But one of the things that stuck with me was they may say that they're doing some things and you can split into these two buckets.

But one thing about apple is they they've told me like strongly, they're trying to make the best effort to to use sustainable suppliers. And so they'll go to a supplier and say, we will only do business with you if you are reaching this benchmark or if you are this much more sustainable. And so instead of just buying the credits, they're actually making that effort.

And then on top of that, because there's such a big company, the suppliers, number one, they want that business, so they're going to try to do that. And then every other company who uses that same supplier for something just have their process, their supply chain get that much more sustainable as well. So the biggest companies going through the effort to adjust their supply chain to be more sustainable does have feels like a really good impact on the entire system.

if that makes sense. I think that's a great point. And I think I think what we want is every company to be like trying for that.

Yeah, I will know the sentence that apple told you was we're trying to make the best effort to work with people who are like clean in the supply chain, which is just like touching, although, you know like at the end of the day, they are trying to make another trillion dollars or whatever, and they're really good at IT and they have so much money, right? Like if they wanted to, yeah, they could just say we're only working with suppliers to do this. Ah so like they are doing a lot. And I really respect the accomplishments that they have made. And I think the our job as like people in the same world of this apple is to like say good job but also don't stop where you're at because that's not far enough yeah or you can say whatever version of good job and you can make IT mean if you even good start good start yeah .

a good start. Speaking of clean energy and um kind of near the end of this topic, there's the thing that apple did either the begin this year or last year bit more yeah a huge a ah that we met a short on where basically by default, every iphone running a certain IOS version or whatever uh IT now automatically will only pull power when your grid is coming from a clean energy source. Unless you turn me off is on out.

And I wanted your opinion on both what is exactly does how does that work? Like how does your grid sometimes have come from clean energy and sometimes not? Can you just give like a brief like top down recap of what that looks like? So if you think that that is actually super .

impact for or not? Yeah yeah um okay. So I think uh what probably what apple's languages is like, we're going to charge when the grid is most reasonable.

Yes, because like some grids, never never will all natural gas. You like sometimes this just are not all natural gas, but like the majority of the electricity is generated. Financial gas.

However, in california, for instance, there's this thing called the duck curve. Has anyone heard of this thing? No, it's like, don't worry, I don't look up.

No, basically like we put so much rooftop solar like a duck. I totally think the opposite. I've never seen the duck. People have been like it's a duck.

And I what what is is, is a there is enough solar electricity being generated in california that they can use IT all so um so IT IT creates this kind of like, oh wow yeah so so if you're in california, your iphone is most likely to charge on this renewable energy charging at the peak hours in the like noon kind of there's the most sun and the most solar on the grid because that great is like maximum solar yeah this is my understanding of how this apple works if if you are out there, tim, I know you're watching this nice pajamas last night. What weird. What a horrible thing for me to say.

Um yes. So I think this out that works. But if you are in a place where there is not a lot of renewable energy being dispatched in the a grid, it's just going to have to pick the time when it's like, oh, there's like a little bit more wind maybe you got .

like wind deer yeah .

yeah I like there's more nuclear. Online public information .

your .

iphone can collect absolutely you information administration E I A math fact check yeah yeah you can you can I mean, you can get like your specific part of transmission, but like you can get a breakdown of your your chunk of the grades like you can look at new york state and basically what's happening. And it's different for different times the years.

So like the shoulder months where there's less electricity, look for A C and more a solar like september, october that you have biggest where they're dumping a lot of solar in california matters. An engineer turned comedian um and so that's there's not a lot of those out there. So if you find one, hold on on me too.

Oh really not funny. You're very funny. I thought you were a computer scientist that's the same engineer like it's like real time is just an engineer that drives trains OK well I was making a bad .

joke that um if was funny would be would make my point true if you were comedian here's what happened I felt .

I felt like I needed to defend myself but objectively IT was funny was moment IT was the right time and you said IT right I just was like someone's going to get mad at me and I didn't want not a but I can be funny .

you're funny guy. When there's one point for six billion active iphones, uh, throughout the world, do you see that as actually being an impacted change like that? Only charging in peak hours kind of thing.

So I think um I mean that's not gonna be the thing that saves us. But I think the thing that saves us is like a hundred thousand things that won't save us, you know like our salvation is going to come at the hands of like and everything thrown at the wall kind of approach an apple doing an opt out yeah version of this is off.

I felt like a big deal to us because they Normally companies don't do after about things. They're three over but seems like I like, wait, this is like good for everyone yeah fall like a .

thing they didn't have to do. They flip the switch. Everyone's phones are doing a fall. And you can then people happy to up down the comments. But I was the fact that many phones all at once opted in feel like I made a dent.

So really your video about how to opt out.

probably with carbon negative probable.

I think I think it's really cool. I think IT is free for apple to do because they're not paying for the electricity. So like it's a very cool move. Way to go to him.

He goes back to the beginning thing. Every companies got a good public facing and private facing reason. The private facing reason is that was pretty good. P, R was pretty good. But yes, IT actually does make a difference so that most of what they .

they're doing with missions when they are looking at carbon missions is scope three. So they're actually looking at um what's happening with their products when when they're out in the world, not like what's happening at their officers or what's happening and their trucks like they're looking at like these products are living on the world. And so over the course of your life, your iphone, like you're charging on the grade. And so IT is also affecting their carbon emissions because like the vast majority, like ninety plus percent, is scope three, which includes charging iphone. So IT all ties back into the same thing of like carbon neutrality, where if they can get an iphone onto a cleaner charging system that's reducing their carbon emissions because they're actually counting .

that with their they yes, that's really no idea.

When you looking carbon anties take companies it's like like ninety five percent yeah I mean, I was ninety six. Yes, a very, very high scope three, which is outside the company.

That's interesting because I when I look at A A massive company like a microsoft, google, apple, whatever, I just automatically picture huge buildings and tones of lights and manufacturing equipment and all this stuff that naturally feels like IT has to be making a big impact.

But probably more than all of that put together as where learning is, more than all of that is probably the transportation of getting IT to you and then the energy that IT burns wallet in your hands. So this is something when apple came out, I think he was earlier this year. And they said the apple watch this year, series nine is apple's first ever carbon neutral product, fully carbon neutral.

They said that, that includes the entire lifetime of you using in charging in which obviously they don't know how much you going to use IT to change or how or when you're going to use IT in charge. But they've made that estimate. They've reduced as much possible in the manufacturing and getting IT to you and bold enough offsets that they feel that they can claim that the apple watch for the lifetime of owning IT makes no impact to the environment.

At least that's what I want you to think. Yeah, I think that that sounds like a like a really good start.

Yeah, interesting OK. Well, I think that's that's a pretty place to live off. Clean energy, we get one more section on recycling coming up. That's a pretty good place for a natural break will be right. bad.

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you talking about juice to talk.

You almost went hard on in the Green yeah I the quote again .

came up in my head about like a hundred made with one hundred percent juice. And I just keep replying that on my head because every time I see one of these recycling quotes and a kind of feels like I don't know how to read this quote in a way that would actually answer what i'm supposed to know about this, but i'll give you some examples and you can tell me what you think about him.

Uh, apple promises that by twenty twenty five, magnets and apple devices will use entirely recycled rare earth elements. All apple designed printed circuit boards will use a hundred percent recycled tin soldiering and one hundred percent recycled gold plating. And by twenty twenty five, the target is to use a hundred percent recycled cobo in all apple designed batteries.

Apple design, apple sign.

which ones are apple design? Which ones are not? So some of these feel like made with one hundred percent. I don't know exactly if that's what that means um but all of them seem like good things. I mean, I really want to use as many recycled materials as possible that you had about like .

if all the phones and everybody at so there's a company in france, um I think that maybe something in europe that makes a check. You yeah it's a company called fair phone. Oh, and they make like and they make these other friends. Yes, they make these phones that are supposed to be like upgrade able and last long time. But their biggest thing is that they are just trying to make be Better about getting people to be more climate conscious. And, uh, we interviewed the C E, O, and he said something about cobo, where he said, if you took every phone that was sitting in a draw somewhere in someone's house and you recycled all the coal in IT, we'd never have to mind cobo again.

Yeah.

so crazy.

Everyone's got that draw. Like when you said that, I thought I was again on the exact draw that's got four of .

my old iphone. Right yeah right. I think that's like so so cobo is like a extremely renewable resource, right?

I mean, yes, so every molecule of every element is a commodity, right? Like IT is identical, any other molecule. So in that way, yes, they are renewable um or there he said not so much renewable as in reusable. Renewable means like regenerate.

they're all finite but they're all potentially reusable.

right? The problem is um it's kind of hard to organize every single person in the world to like go to their draw, get IT out, give IT to the the right factory and then that factory has to like, go into the phone, take the cob lt out homogenize IT in whatever way cobalt is. I am over my skis here, know how cold is like actually we cycled into a new combat phone. But like that is totally true in the same way that like if we were able to, like, get all of the food that wasted at a restaurant in amErica to every other country, like known would ever go hungry again. Like technically accurate probably, or close to IT, I mean not known whatever just close, but it's like .

logistically and say but in general, I think I think this is one of the easiest ones to get everyone on the same page, which is uh virgin materials bad, recycling good. Feels like the feels like the simple um at least from the messaging that I see from these three companies that feels like the thing that they're all stressing, like we want to use as many recycled materials .

fast because that is sustainable. Yeah I I mean, yes, I think that the messaging going to say a lot of that and to to an extent that's very true. Um however, there you know like their they're they're trying to hit a quote, right they have to make a certain metaphor.

Es, and if they can't get the recycled cobalt from a draw in your mom add or something not why do I drag your moment that that doesn't matter? They can't get that that phone. They're gonna mind the coal out of whatever cobalt mine they need to because like they're gonna do that. But I mean, like that's not to say they shouldn't use recycled cobalt, and i'm really happy that they are yeah. But like it's a it's a piece of the possible right.

It's sort of feels like with all the things that we ve talked about so far today, it's like IT IT feels like we're reaching a point in capitalism where it's more cost effective for the company to do things that are climate positive in a lot of ways. Would you say that .

the case I think we're slowly getting to that point. I think still to this day, IT is probably more cost effective for a company to my new material that IT is for them too recycled just because like when when you're mining IT, you're getting IT a giant vein of IT in one shot and you don't have to do a lot of processing to get IT to pride out of old phones.

I think like if there were some kind of law that was like it's we're going to put a giant tariff on like mining new cobalt, yes, that would be super cost effective. They would all go after all the old phones that be like a huge phone by back program. That would absolutely be a fantastic move.

But I think like IT tends to be a little easier to mind. IT and companies are very incentivize to do the easy, fast thing. So like that's why there's so much mining right now. Yes, which is crazy because cobo is not like an easy metal to mine, like it's not found in places that are necessarily the most accessible. You know it's it's crazy that it's it's easier to go to the congo into the middle of the jungle and pull the stuff out of the ground that IT is to like not to bring her back into IT go to David's mom's house and David, yes, you know I mean is also a kind of .

strikes me that a recycling would be the easiest for, uh, regular people to get on board with like we talked about that feature before. Where is opt out? It's going to flip a switch on everyone's phones and it's going to if you plug IT in, maybe not charged for a couple hours until your unclean energy and people are like that's so unconvincing, i'm going to be on my phone. I wish you would just charge but like nobody can tell the difference between a was cycled aluminum frame on their phone and a brand new aluminum shame on their phone. I feel like the more of these metals and rare earth magnets and all these things that happen to be recycled in your phone, generally the Better because I feel like I can't tell the difference.

but I think that's true. I think like that would be amazing to like have that be the the status to where we're just like recycling old phones. And my god, there are so many phones out there like we could just take those phones and disassemble them and put those elements right back in a new phone.

That would be awesome. yeah. I think like IT, IT tends to not be that easy. Recycling facilities are like you have to kind of mulch up a phone and like use different density sorting techniques to get different elements out of IT. And it's not a perfect science yet. It's like hard to do but emphasize that two companies we want more recycle their phones that I think they're really good move. I I love you .

take on this thing that happened recently. There's this company and called one plus.

And hate them, hate them. What one plus? Catching a stray right there. What is one plus? One phone company?

O strike.

One strike.

They made this folding phone recently. okay? right? Expensive, seventeen hundred dollars. They have this a rebate that lasts until the end of time, until they stopped selling the phone, where if you send them in any phone, in any condition.

from any one plus phone, no, anyone.

anybody's phone.

sure. I guess .

like my phone, I A any phone .

that has ever been made, if you send them a phone OK 啊 IT could be burned to a crip IT can be whatever they give you， two hundred dollars off their new voting phone. H and somebody in my briefing was like, so I could be like, you know, twelve year old phone, or like something that Better IT like doesn't work anymore.

And now I get, and there have been a lot of questions, like, why would they do that? And my intuition was they're trying to get the cobalt from IT either. As a credit of sorts that they can use later or that they can make reuse and their devices. But I don't know if that's way too expensive to do. That probably cost more than two hundred dollars per device like what you take on that.

Yeah, there's definitely not two hundred of cobol t in every phone. I think I mean, that sounds that sounds cool. I think that's a cool move for one phone, one class one plus to do one plus IT sounds pretty cool. And I yeah i'm not i'm not really sure. I suppose there's like I bet it's a fifteen hundred dollar phone that they are like on next two hundred box, I guess was like .

they just wanted to see more premium, but IT cost them less. I think in general, lot of these folding phones have bigger margins. They are more expensive, but they have to make them expensive to look like the highest stm thing. They bigger margins to play with. And maybe they're just taking the two hundred dollar hit in the margins to maybe it's a combo of marketing and recycling in the coal boat they get from IT, whatever they're able to same in about how many phones they were recycled.

fifty thousand and all .

put together yeah .

which and that's just from one guys .

mom's house .

yeah but .

IT feels like in that. But as any well as with any of as with any of these quotes, there's obviously a language that's very specific to them and there's an astro at the .

end that that is that the whole thing about quotes, language that's very specific.

specific yeah very specific with this one. So apples that I read at the end with the apple 的 time batteries has an actress。 So the code again is, by twenty twenty five, they are targeting using a hundred percent recycled cobalt in all apple design batteries of the asterix says, when you go down to the bottom, all cobo content references are on a mass baLance system basis.

OK, I read this, and I don't know what that means. So when I knew you were coming, I decided not to google. IT.

okay. So as far as I understand, mass baLance system is about inputs versus outputs. So when you say mass baLance, if you have almost all recycled coal or all recycled cobalt going into the system, anything that's coming out of the system gets to be counted as a one hundred percent recycled cobol. T so even if you've got somewhere in the line and and please, if you're out there and you're like that's not what that means, leave a comment and I respond to you say, thanks, Jackson. Um yes.

So mass baLance is a way to because when and it's also probably not one hundred percent recycled cobalt in the whole thing know in the same way like, oh, it's one hundred percent recycled plastic in the in the fun, but it's actually like, oh, actually just the back cases recycled and fifty eight percent of the plastic total is recycled. It's it's a way to allow inputs to be counted in the system itself because when you are recycling something, you're mixing all the molecule is together. You just like the electricity or just like the offsets where you you need to be able to a account for the extra inputs in the system. So maybe maybe you're flushing the system with recycled cobalt and eventually all of the the phones and all of the batteries are using recycled cobalt. But it's a to a IT a .

little bit here and you mention with a different the phone is very, very, very common for these quotes where they'll say that we're using or cycle illumine um but they'll say it's just the enclosure of the pixel five where there's a lot of illumine also in the frame on the inside of the phone that they don't talk about. So it'll just be the outside that which you're holding and you're holding your psychology. Um that's great. But students like that comes up a lot. And the enclosure of the phone, the frame of the phone, this part of the phone is recycled lumina, which is nice uh and which also brings up another thing also, which is a google quote for a cycle luminant IT was backhouse sing only and IT recycled luminous, approximately fifty eight percent of the pixel five enclosure based on weight.

Kay, so yeah, and like I just want to make sure clear here, like this is a good thing to be recycling this material. So and the engineers, the mechanical engineers, whoever is designing or what I don't know how phones work, these guys are like trying to do, you know, like we're doing our best to put as much in there. And then the marketing ARM is like, got IT.

How do we like spin this in one line and make IT really pop? Yeah and that's where this sort of like judo comes in. So I want to say like great job on the fifty eight percent of recycled material. Let's see how high we can get that. But then when you see a court that's like a hundred percent recycled and you're like, well back away from the table like a black jack dealer and like move on to the next thing, like you can't you can let them stop at a hundred percent when one hundred percent is fifty. But it's good.

but it's not there. Yeah yeah. Says the aluminum in the enclosure of the pixel five is one hundred percent recycled content in which I would say so as our so see.

you are a comedian.

don't sell yourself short, but one hundred .

percent of fifty eight percent is.

But no one can do that math.

That's too hard. And that to me, that is the exact fruit. You think that right there? Yeah, the aluminum in the enclosure of the pixel five is one hundred percent recycled content. But that recycled content is fifty eight percent cycle OK.

Fifty percent of the time that works.

Every time that asks is doing a lot of heavy.

but like that's not the engineer. I think it's on .

the internet. General people want to to be like this is only terrible or this is only amazing, but sort of one of those middle ound things where it's like IT is a net positive even though IT is also beneficial for the company to be doing IT one of those kind of things. And you know I mean, IT doesn't feel good to be like, thanks, apple. You're really saving the planet and you know that their net emissions without all the offsets and stuff are still like but ah it's still good. You don't want to like being matic companies for doing .

the best that they can. You are they doing the best that they can well, that they're doing the best that they wanted to do. Yeah yeah. I think I think that's that's where we exist. We can like we force them to do Better or ask them to do Better yeah and also be happy that they're doing right doing you know yeah yeah. I think that's .

a good place to like summarize at all because at the end of the day, we vote with our well, it's like if we actually want to make decisions based on what these companies are saying about not just how well the product works, but how sustainably well it's made, we can make that differences. M, because that's the thing they care the most about, is where we spend our money. So when we are evaluating what these companies are saying, we can push them a little bit on, okay, you could do Better here or you could do more here or you could be more sustainable here and actually buy products and make IT a obviously, that's why you're buying the product.

Yeah although we we vote te with our violence, but we like encourage with our mouse and social media. So like that's that's the other thing. If you're out there and you like want to push these guys like push them like the for some reason they listen to you on twitter, you listen they like they take all that into account and like be that be that force if you're out there, yeah don't let them off the hook yeah yeah.

The fair phone company that we are talking about is one of the most interesting ones in the space because they have made a conscious effort to and I made a video about this to make their entire smartphone from the beginning of the process from the the offices that they work into the manufacturing to the mining, to the packaging, to the shipping, the whole thing to be a sustainable and renewable possible.

And the trade off with a phone that makes all of those decisions is it's not as thin and pretty, and it's not made of metal. It's got a plastic back of all these are all things that are little bit here. It's got it's got a little bit of the do you want to go all the way or not yeah and I think people will vote with their new ones somewhere in the middle as we all that example yeah.

there is a new sort of S O S like computer process that people are doing where they do everything on one die. Now, instead of having, like, the RAM is separate from the pu, is separate from the motherboard notes, all one. And integrating everything like that makes these things expansion ally faster.

So like apple announced the m one architecture couple of years ago, that's what all these computers running on. They're not very reliable. So there's sort of this awkward tension between like if you want to keep advancing technology, becoming more integrated is like kind of what you have to do, but then there's the flip side of like you can't fix IT.

yes. So and repair abilities like one of the biggest ways to be sustainable.

yeah, that's sure. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so the right to repair, we're going to do an episode on right to repair ool, our youtube channel climate town, so exciting, ate at youtube blog. But is .

that the plug?

That's cool. Oh, okay. I also have a podcast called the climate deniers playbook.

Yeah, we go. It's on, it's on spotify. O posted on the worldwide web interested .

in my mom's added .

but yeah, right. repair. That's a good call. Bax, see, you got the chops, man.

You could go away with that one. right? right? repairs. One of those things that we we always add a video about this as well as like, okay, we want tech to be Better. Tech gets more integrated, gets more tightly knit, gets faster, now it's less reparable, now it's less .

sustainable.

So that's a chAllenge we all have arted content with.

yes. But there's also like apple being like purposely difficult things are yeah yes.

There are things on the fringes that are notably anti repair, which make IT really tough to justify all the rest. The stuff that they do .

are you gonna end IT up.

say, the E. V. Raby hole is way too deep to dive into.

So i'll come .

back later. I'll .

come back in an right, I think, well wrapped up with a couple of quick hits, no pressure to think too hard about this. But also all of the comment section is is waiting. To comment about these.

we got a bunch of quick hit heads in in the comment. Couple of quick. They skip straight to this part of the pocket.

There's time stamps for for them to get mad here. But okay, ten seconds for agents. Uh, first one is net water positive. A real or interesting thing that you care about.

It's a bit of an accounting technique. Google uses net positive to imply that their great or non portable water portable obviously being LED and route for h pa, right? Not portable.

Uh, they use that to say we're catching more rain water. So we're were cycling out how much potable water we're using and we're collecting more than we're used. So it's a as much potable water as they as they want.

Um apple getting rid of all leather in all of their stories and all their products feels like a good thing. But doesn't vegan leather use a ton of energy to create .

yeah but like IT also doesn't produce all of the mEthane that were seeing like cattle farms produced. So like certainly there are bad parts of everything, but I died rather have like a vegan product that produces of so little mEthane, rather than like a leather product that is part of this giant meat industrial complex that's like slowly tire plant.

Totally fair. Uh, is IT true that shipping more products via ocean than air is actually a good thing?

absolutely. yes. Um it's a little bit slower. But when you think about bienne, right, you can make a ship boy and a plane requires like a ton where you think in about boy c two heart there there's a running joke here on the pot that none of us understand how boats were. That's a good bit.

Just not just .

I get plains, but I just don't really.

but are just, yeah joe gray, there is a fluid. There is a fluid. It's so just imagine how and boats don't have wings. So do they have a little tiny when one wing on the bottom, the big little wings, it's called the keo or the degrees ard? If you're in a sailboat, this is, see, like my eyes, I turned, they turned on black for a second and and off his chair cover.

do that with all that glaze.

And o so yeah, the cricket in heads are going crazy in the comments. Yeah.

well, last wicket to false. The evy battery rabid hole is too deep to dive down right now.

The true, but only because I want to come back and talk you guys about later. Separate, isolated.

the e, because we be happy to die down. And yes.

I have a cricket, really. Yes, how fast can you type the off that five point nine seconds?

Would you like to prove that? Nobody.

yeah, I will do IT. Let's do IT. right? So the way this .

works is pretty simple rally. Uh, what you're looking at in front you is a box. It's empty. All you've got to do is type of litters of the alphabet in order from a to z. And I don't hit at the end.

When you hit the, you have a time. Don't hit R, O, T in order.

B, C, D, E, F, that's your time. We're going to give you three attempts. And if you hit five point on on the dot.

I will give you a small trophy. Oh, and if you miss a letter, IT will not except any of the following letters until you you have to go back and you go A, B, D, E, F. It'd E, F, in wait doesn't penalised me for hitting the wrong letter. So I can just math in the .

area is a bad strategy.

but know if in in order .

still but you can .

hit like, yeah I mean, mean, I am just going to try something really quite I mean.

therefore, ally, if you wipe twenty six times in two seconds, you'll get to, you get two seconds.

I can't, I can't quite cover all the keys.

It's very hard.

Are you wiping now?

yeah. Are you wiping question? Answer the question.

The good here .

we go for me at all.

OK ready? yes.

Five point eight. Wow.

that's a pretty good first score.

I was drawn to get five point nine.

Very, very close. You will have two more attempts if .

you want to try to get .

fast and get on that.

Just five point eight, four, four. okay.

So you can either try to get exactly five point nine or you can try to go for our letter board.

Um i'm i'm going to try to go as fast as I can .

and I bet i'm onna .

get a five point nine and i'll be a huge way.

I yeah and I had enter IT does.

Six point two day, right one more time year ago.

one mass.

Five point nine ww five point nine seven three.

That's pretty close. That's pretty good.

Oh, I head to get five point nine zero zero.

Technically, this rounds up, but I am impressed. You were three hundreds of a second. I am very impressed. And dr.

K, so yeah, just in case you're curious, you are five point eight puts you one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight at nine th on our all time right now, right above dog to miro, right behind our local dad, Andrew magney. Well played. Thank you very much.

But the five point I feel like if I get a trophy for five point nine and that's .

got to go five nine, I was .

just guys like .

maybe IT.

I A little over it's very good. I A little over, a little under. We don't keep tracking of this, but five point eight might have been the best first round score we've ever to Scott might have beat, not on his first round.

I can't quite remember. Yeah, but as a pretty great, I gotta tell i'm a terrible type. I only use these fingers.

What do you think our slowest all time time is if your five point eight is terrible, what do you think is the worst?

Anyone get disqualified for having a bad attitude or something.

We did have a certain someone start off by saying, I am a big typist. Really bad, like hunting pic. And he was not last place. wow. yeah.

Um I guess i'm going to say twelve second system .

David blame was said, subject, he got eight point eight well.

David ben is the slow old he was said .

our bad is yeah what was the slowest? Our local have a local Brandon got a nine point four.

okay? And no one's even no one no one's been over ten yeah OK that's you only .

have tech heads on yeah you got who .

has got the fastest score times?

Got at what? Three point .

five out. He was insane. That's that's some classic time, Scott. Ya, i'm standing here over keyboard. There are twenty six keys that I need to .

hit in the precise.

Odd for sure how I started. He was like insistent about .

doing .

IT on his dell laptop. Oh, I OK. This is around this out, uh we usually ask, guess, is there anything that people don't generally know about the topic that we're talking about that you just really want them to know? Do you want these commenters to be like, um that's a fun fact about the climate? No a um .

so I want to I think I anna stress that they probably don't know how ignorant I am on the topic, how you really like everybody is on the topic like these are these are subjects that like we're talking about this on the ride over and we were like trying to wonder exactly how solar is curtailed and where the electricity goes when like it's produced or is not produced.

And there's just so much to every single part of this that I am like so surface level aware of even after like a couple of months of steady. So like these are complex, difficult topics that if somebody is like all an expert in how solar works, like they're not, they are their super not. And so I think that should number one, let me tell how you should feel about this empowered to go out and learn but more than anything, just like you, you get to pick what you learn today and you get to pick like how far A A subject you get into. And it's probably worth your time to understand the climate crisis as deeply as you can. You'll never waste time researching the stuff um so by all means please go research because there's like a bug illian things that I have no clue about and going .

to to spend the rest of .

my life trying to figure a man yeah if .

you to make IT that far I just get shot sting Operation from I think even climate change make a death not like big oil.

This part case, but I think a general is right, is a good idea to learn about the world we live in, about the about this planet, really have one of them. So it's pretty it's pretty important yeah where looking into this, this has been really fun. Like I said, that we will have you back.

We'll talk about these will do this again until the next one. Where can they find you on the internet? OK.

yeah um youtube. I have a youtube channel called climate town. Check that out. We have twenty four videos out or something, so IT won't even take you that long to go through all their bangers out.

They're like twenty thirty minute time piece.

Is that sometimes not how people describe banks?

I think that's on you. Two, twenty twenty three when I see twenty five minutes and .

the then they are indeed bankers to the last anger .

is only that's .

a good .

like it's my website angers .

only got net is only that but he IT was .

like bugging time yeah no.

it's totally fine. I am gonna there after this and uh so that's that's the youtube channel the climate deniers playbook checked that out that a me and my comedy partners slash friend in a coal Colin um SHE got a luck SHE reach for the daily show so she's really smart and really funny um those the two big grants follows on an instagram were like just at climate town and at a deniers playbook everywhere we have a patron page.

If you're feeling like you got next to five bucks that you want to throw my way, i'll be cool. The plug sound is going to make me really self country about login night lights too, really. That was a plug.

E for the lighting here. This is cool. And then also, if you, if you want to just get little goofy with that, I have a billion channel. You just typed my name, and we can make this one serious.

okay?

Since the dawn of time, mankind has wondered, how do you hit a ball with a stick into another ball into a hole? And all these questions and more are answered at the youtube channel. ROI Williams, yeah, but don't do the climate on once first. Don't do that when first only if there is, if you you are like, I need more vitamin him in my life. Like then go check that out, but not before you check out climate down there.

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