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Is Clippy Coming Back via ChatGPT?

2023/1/13
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专注于解决高质量训练数据和模型开发成本问题的 AI 研究员。
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波士顿大学电气和计算机工程系教授,专注于澄清5G技术与COVID-19之间的误信息。
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Marques: Nothing Phone 1在美国以299美元的价格进行Beta测试,价格比其他地区便宜,因为他们不确定其在美国的网络兼容性。他们可能也试图清理库存,并为即将推出的Phone 2吸引用户。 Andrew: 微软取消了Surface Duo 3的计划,转向了一种新的折叠屏设计,这可能是因为双屏手机的市场表现不佳。 David: 双屏手机Surface Duo的失败是因为其设计缺陷,例如尺寸过大、握持不便等。微软放弃双屏设计,转向主流的折叠屏设计,是一个明智之举。 Marques: 三星Galaxy S23系列将于2月1日发布,预计会有S23、S23+和S23 Ultra三个版本。 Marques: 微软可能会将ChatGPT整合到Microsoft Office套件中,类似于Clippy的助手功能。微软对OpenAI的巨额投资预示着其将整合OpenAI的技术到其产品中。微软对OpenAI的投资是基于2019年的一笔投资,并看好其未来发展潜力。微软对OpenAI的投资可能高达100亿美元,并获得公司49%的股份。微软与OpenAI的交易中,OpenAI需要在偿还100亿美元投资之前向微软支付75%的利润。微软投资OpenAI的风险在于OpenAI可能无法保持其在AI领域的领先地位。 Andrew: 用户与互联网交互的方式,减少接触点可以提高使用率。Bing整合ChatGPT功能,可以直接给出答案,减少用户点击链接的步骤,这将是微软的一大优势。OpenAI率先发布AI模型,承担了相应的风险,但同时也获得了巨大的关注度。将ChatGPT整合到Microsoft Outlook和Word等应用中,可以提高效率。 Marques: OpenAI过去几年发布了一些不为人知的项目,例如Frank Sinatra风格的圣诞歌曲。OpenAI训练的AI在虚拟世界中玩捉迷藏游戏,并学会了打破游戏规则。OpenAI训练的AI在Dota 2等游戏中表现出色,并击败了顶级玩家。 David: ChatGPT目前还不够成熟,无法用于可靠的研究。Google和Bing整合ChatGPT的方式不同,Google侧重于搜索引擎功能,Bing则更侧重于直接给出答案。 Marques: ChatGPT可以帮助头脑风暴,提出一些被忽略的想法。 Ellis: 微软的设计软件中可能很快就会集成DALL-E。如果可以自定义训练AI模型,那么它将更有用。 Marques: Google正在通过Extension SDK将Android 13的新功能引入到旧版本的Android系统中。Google正在使Android系统模块化,以便可以将新功能推送给旧版本的Android系统。Android系统更新不再像以前那样重要,因为新功能可以通过模块化方式推送。苹果公司和谷歌公司在软件更新和功能推送方面采取了不同的策略。 Marques: 苹果公司可能正在研发自己的蜂窝、Wi-Fi和蓝牙芯片以及显示屏,以减少对其他供应商的依赖。苹果公司正在努力控制iPhone的整个供应链。 Andrew: 苹果公司完全控制iPhone供应链的策略有利有弊,存在供应链中断的风险。

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The Nothing Phone 1 launches in the US as a beta program for $299. The hosts discuss its potential performance on different US carriers and whether this is a smart move by Nothing to clear inventory and gauge market interest before the Phone 2 release.
  • Nothing Phone 1 US launch priced at $299 as beta program
  • Performance varies by carrier (T-Mobile recommended)
  • Potential strategy to clear inventory and assess US market demand before Phone 2 launch

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All right, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. And today we've got a lot of actually surprising amount of stuff to talk about. Not necessarily all news, but just like a bunch of stories and things developing, which are really interesting that we want to go over. Okay, first of all, we have nothing. We have them...

making us beta test things, which is fun. The end of the Surface Duo, Microsoft investing heavily in OpenAI, which is curious, Google trying to make Android much more modular, and then maybe if we get a little bit of extra time, I want to talk about Apple taking back the iPhone. But first, ask me how my day was. Somebody ask me. Hey, Marques. Yeah. How was your- Terrible. Dang. Terrible. That was a loud slap. Sorry about that. Enjoy Alice. Back to table pretty hard there.

As some of you may know, the, well, we record these on Wednesdays, so you're probably doing the math already. And on Wednesday this week, all flights in the U.S. paused for five hours. What does that have to do with you, Marques? Oh, that's funny you ask, Adam. I was in the air during the pause, not

Great. Did time just stop and your plane just stopped midair? Yeah. So this is I was on a plane where they just had like the news on the screens and they didn't have any Internet. And so we were flying. It was a one hour flight from Detroit to Newark and 45 minutes into the flight. We turn around and we sort of just like, I don't know what's going on, but it feels like we're turning around right now.

And the pilot comes on like, bad news, no flights are landing in Newark right now. So we're going back to Detroit. We were literally starting our descent into Newark when we turned around. So we all flip on the news and we all see that all flights have stopped. And the safety communication equipment that tells planes where other things are in the air isn't working.

So that was fun, but we got back and everything's fine and I'm here just to do the podcast. So we should start with the nothing fun. What a start. Yeah, it was a good time. Who wants to break down what nothing is doing in the US? It's kind of a beta program. There's not much to break down, but it's basically...

Since technically the nothing phone hasn't launched in the US, you can get it if you import it or whatever. Yeah. They decided to quote unquote launch it in the US at $299, which is cheaper, although...

It's like 65% of what it normally is costing because it's around $450 if you do the conversions. So it's a pretty good deal, but it's basically because they don't know how well it's going to work on bands in the U.S. and with carriers in the U.S. So they're releasing it as a beta program where you can pay $299 and it says...

Essentially, like, we do not know how well this will work. So this could be a steal or it could be a terrible experience. Well, they said your best bet is that they literally said your best bet to get some of the bands working is to use it on T-Mobile. Yeah, I think the only 5G band that can work is T-Mobile. And then the rest of it, I think it pretty much said, like, Verizon, you are going to have a tough time. Yeah. I would say that this is a steal because 5G is useless anyway. And I...

I used it when I was reviewing it. I had my AT&T SIM card in it and it was perfectly fine because it was on 4G all the time and I didn't really miss 5G. So I guess I already did my beta testing a while ago. And $299 for that phone is pretty good. Yeah. So if you're on AT&T, I'll just say right now, you'll get 4G because I did. Should be fine.

- I think some people are worried about Verizon bans. I think I've heard. - Fair enough. - I don't know. - CDMA or 4G is not good. - Yeah, I think some people are worried about 4G on Verizon. I was going to willingly offer to put my T-Mobile SIM in one,

Now that you did it, it feels like I shouldn't really do it. Maybe I'll throw my T-Mobile SIM in for a day or two and see how it works and report back. Or just like how well it works. Because if it works, $299 feels like a great price. If it doesn't work, $299 feels like a horrible price. Potentially. Yeah. I have a theory as to why they're doing this. Interesting. So...

I assume they're going to be launching the Phone 2 in the coming couple of months, and they currently don't sell the Phone 1 in the US. So my thought process is they have excess Phone 1 inventory. They're trying to sort of get rid of it, and they're trying to get existing nothing fans in the US so that when the Phone 2 comes out, they upgrade.

That's a pretty smart thing to do. And also if they have metrics, Andrew actually said this this morning, so I'm kind of stealing his idea. But if they have metrics that... I'll take the credit. Yeah, okay. If they have metrics that other people or that people in the United States are actually interested in the device, then they can go to carriers like T-Mobile and say like, look how many people were teething to buy this phone. And then T-Mobile will be like... I think Adam said that this morning. Oh, well, Adam... I'll still take credit, but I think Adam... I'll take sub, sub credit for it.

No, it's fine. Anyway, yeah, it makes a lot of sense for them. And I think that they set like their whole like umbrella guys that they're doing around this is that they're beta testing it in the US with a new version of Android. It's like an Android 13 device.

beta test it's their it's their os based on android 13 right yeah yeah i'm waiting for that update i've heard a lot of good things from nothing about it but how they rewrote everything it's going to be much smoother and faster and more optimized and i'm like sure all right let me see that let me see that because it's fine the phone is fine like i used it i liked it i reviewed it you can watch the video like it was fine it was a pretty good phone yeah and so to hear of major software update overhaul type things happening is interesting so keeping an eye on it

Yeah. I am a little interested, though, because they did say the Nothing Phone 2 is not coming soon. Did they? Yeah, in December. I just had to look it up because I thought I remembered something along that. But I guess that doesn't necessarily mean what it is. And launching that in the U.S. would probably be huge. And maybe even they're just like... Because they did...

hinted at something last month about something from nothing coming to the US. So whether that's this or whether they are planning on doing a full launch and this is the beta of whatever it is, I...

It's all a little confusing. I feel like it's too late in the life cycle to officially launch the phone one in the US. So at this point, they're just like getting ready to launch the two. I would agree, but I guess there is no history from nothing. So they can just do whatever they want. Well, if it was a Samsung phone, I'd say, yeah, you've launched it already. If you're doing an international launch, you kind of missed the window. The hype's over, but...

When is hype over for Carl Play Companies? Did you guys see the video where he reacted? Yes, I was just going to say, we're all haters, apparently. I guess you guys got an early preview because if you watch the Waveform podcast, Carl, some other nothing executives reacted to...

to a bunch of hate videos about nothing. - Which was 85% the Waveform podcast. - Yeah, it wasn't hate videos. If they want hate videos, they could have found them. But we had some things to say, they responded to them, that was kind of interesting. But it's cool, I mean, obviously there are companies that look out for feedback for what they're doing, so it's cool that they're watching and listening to the podcast. - What up?

How's it going? What up? I know you're watching. Yeah. Use this clip next time. I dare you. At me, bro. At me next time, Carl. I know you follow me on Twitter. Just at me. Speaking of companies who probably listen to the feedback, Surface Duo 3? Surface Duo 3?

has allegedly been scrapped. Sort of. Sort of. So the quote here is, and we'll link this in the show notes, Microsoft has scrapped plans for a dual screen Surface Duo 3. I'm told the company has pivoted to a new foldable screen design with a 180 degree hinge and an external cover display. Just that quote from Zach Bowden. Just want to throw some credit out there. Yeah. So, yes. Yeah. You're celebrating. I'm celebrating.

Are you celebrating the birth of a new Surface or the end of the Surface as we know it? The Surface Duo. Por que lo nos dos? I did the video on why all foldables are converging on this thing, which is like an inside folding screen and an outside cover screen. And this is more fuel to that argument, which is...

Yeah, the dual screen thing didn't really catch on. Not that it was a bad idea, but it's like there weren't that many advantages to having...

A phone that's just the same size as a normal phone. You unfold it, it's two smaller screens, the Passport thing. There were cool productivity things you could do, but clearly it didn't catch the way they're probably thinking a new form factor has already caught. I want to say there are people for who that device was perfect and worked very well for. And to those people, I'm glad you're enjoying it.

Personally, I think that the form factor of that device was just fundamentally flawed for a number of reasons. Like,

One, it was too wide, so you couldn't hold it with one hand. Unless your hands are big. Unless your hands are huge. It wasn't comfortable. No. One of the form factors was flipping the screen over itself, and then you had to do this. And the two didn't really improve anything and in some ways made it worse because the camera bump. I think when they added the camera bump on the outside, that was the admission that, oh, we got some things wrong here.

Like they really fully committed to the first one, which is it will fold flat and it will be beautiful. And it was. And then we'll open it up and this is the best hinge you've ever seen. And then we're going to use the inside selfie cameras as the outside camera. Yeah, which is fine. And I was like, oh, yeah, you've achieved the beautiful form factor. We love this, Microsoft. And then you use it and you're like, oh, that's why this isn't going to work. And I think they realized it at the same time. And they were like, all right, well, we can fix cameras. We'll put cameras on the back. If you guys want cameras so bad, here we go.

And then it was like not pretty anymore. Yeah. And they tried the curved screen in the middle thing and that was kind of rough and it just didn't catch. Like I think they...

I really feel like there was a couple things they could have fixed and I don't know the engineering aspect of it but like if it was actually comfortable to hold in one hand when folded over and if it didn't have gigantic bezels and if they did the camera bump I mean yes it's all they're all ifs but it just like there were some benefits to it and they just didn't play to their strengths in it like the original prototype we saw had a camera bump

that had a matching on the other side, an indent, so it would still fold flat. Just make a one, you can have one camera that's better and fits into, I don't know. I also just want to say, like, you can take the traditional fold form factor and just prioritize dual windows or, like, multitasking. And that's always going to be better than having two physical screens that has, like,

a notch in the middle that you can't see your content through and cuts it off and looks bad with some unknown amount of pixels that you can't really see yeah it just seems like over engineering to solve a problem that was already solved just because they want to be different i mean you i i'll always encourage like trying new things like when you see that every other company has done it one way and you're like we'll do it our way and then you try it and then it's like

Okay. This one had some weird fundamental flaws. By the way, no matter what you try, someone's always going to like it. Totally. And there are going to be people who are just like all on board with Surface Duo 2. But I think they've read the writing on the wall and they're moving the ship towards a different place. And I think this is probably going to be a good move for Surface Duo 3. Maybe it's not called Surface Duo 3, but...

It'll be interesting to see the Microsoft foldable when it comes out. Glad they're still making phones. I mean, I would love to see like a fold style Microsoft. Yeah. Do you think it'll still be called the Duo 3 and just be folding screen now? I think they could get away with calling it Duo. The thing about Duo is Duo means two, like dual screen. I feel like that was the thing. That's like why I called it the Duo. I saw an argument about this on either Twitter or Reddit of like, it's still technically...

Two screens with like the little middle front. Oh, yeah, yeah, the front and the middle. If you had the screen on the front and you have a folding screen on the inside, it's technically still two. There's something weird about being called the Duo 3, the 2-3. Yeah, oh, yeah, Duo 2. The Jordan phone. There we go. They should rebrand it to Unosoft, so it's Unosoft Duo 3. Oh, my gosh.

And with that note... Yeah, that's how we scroll down. Oh, wait, I have another perfect segue. Speaking of folding phones coming out soon, see how I... Whoa. Yeah, but fold... Well... No? You're wrong. Dang it. No, this isn't foldable. Okay, well... Leave that in. Speaking of phones coming out soon... Okay. Samsung Unpacked is announced for February 1st. So we know we're expecting what always happens in...

Actually, it wasn't January last year. It was February, but increasingly earlier in the year. It really feels like it gets a little earlier. It bumps a little forward. Was it not January last year? I remember the first week of February, we reviewed the S22s. And so this is going to be now revealed right at the beginning of February, so a little earlier. So we'll have S22, or sorry, S23, 2022.

23 plus and 23 ultra not expecting a whole lot of chaos with this I think this is pretty the opposite of chaos yeah that's exactly the leaks are pretty much like if you took the S22 ultra with the individual camera bumps and made the regular ones that as well there's a leak from on leaks that looks exactly like that

a vertical three camera, three single camera bumps. And then I'm pretty sure we can assume that's right because the event invite is three spotlights. We don't have to read too deeply into this one. It's three circles. Triple cameras confirmed. Yeah, no, that's probably it. Also, you have this note that they...

Don't seem to be advertising a metaverse version of oh, I just wrote that sorry It just says live on samsung.com. But where's the metaverse version? How are we gonna wander the metaverse for the Samsung events? We're gonna have to host it in our own metaverse this feels Delete that I don't I don't like that. I said that out loud. It's I don't like that sentence at all We're not gonna host anything in our own metaverse We are from the record YouTube is technically a metaverse. Oh, no, I

technically there's i think because it's like let's get into that within the con the content the the the meta content the bigot the biggest form of content is how do you mute his reality thank you because we're consuming content by being alive okay anyway i just want to say samsung probably saw the metaverse um week from cheetos chesterville which was

bonkers amazing really lifelike and then they were like we can't we can't yeah we can't top that we're killing the metaverse i just love that the all this metaverse stuff feels exactly like 3d tvs because 3d tvs like every single company for one solid year got super heavily invested in it because they didn't want to miss the boat if it was the next big thing but

But this time exactly like what all of this stuff has turned out, except this time the runway is meta slash Facebook going. We're investing in this for the next five, 10 years. And then every company for five to 10 years going, all right, yeah, we can do some of that as long as they don't run out of money within that amount of time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, anyway, we want to talk a little more about AI and Microsoft. But first, we should do trivia.

All right. Trivia season three. Quick update. Marquez has one. Andrew has one. David has zero. Thanks. Yeah. Got you, fam. All right. Appreciate it. First question. So the Nothing Phone, we spoke about that. It was designed by one of my favorite companies, Teenage Engineering. They did not pay me to say that. What was Teenage Engineering's first product? Oh, no. I wonder.

Yeah, that is a tech question. Wait, like the model number or model name or just like what was it? I'll take either answer. I only know the model name. Wait, seriously? Well, I'm assuming we're thinking of the same product right now, but I don't know what it was like as a product. I want the name. Give me the name. The name. Yeah, I might have that. Wait, but Marques knows the name. I might have that. It might be wrong too. We did. So we were thinking about

if marquez wasn't here today and how last season and if how you're interrupting me and how david missed a bunch last year somebody brought up a really good idea where if somebody's missing from trivia in the podcast we will ask them the questions just outside of the podcast so then everybody gets to answer every single questions everyone on equal footing i like that

Good idea, whoever that was. As long as they don't open the video file that has the answers and not the questions first. I don't know what you're talking about. As long as we quiz them before the episode comes out. What? As long as we ask them the questions before the answers are... Yeah, we'll say it's up to the person who missed to get... To pursue the questions. Pursue the questions, yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Just give us more work. It's cool. Well, we'll come to you. How do you mute Adam's mic? Perfect.

Let's take a quick break and be right back. This episode's so chaotic already. It's pretty...

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All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Clippy. I hope so. I have some thoughts on Clippy right now. Okay. Here's a bold prediction. Clippy comes back to the Microsoft Office suite in the form of an AI chatbot that can help you with anything. It recognizes that you're writing a letter and it goes, hey, it looks like you're writing a letter. Would you like help with that? And then it just spits out a 12-paragraph essay for you.

For exactly what you were going to write about. That's what's happening. Because we just saw that Microsoft made a potential $10 billion investment in OpenAI. OpenAI, if you don't already know, is behind not just ChatGPT, but DALI and DALI 2.0.

And many other projects like it, I'm sure, coming up. And so this gives them a pretty big stake in the company. And I imagine they plan on integrating some of these things into Microsoft products. So that's my bold prediction for 2023. Clippy makes a fiery return to the Microsoft suite.

I think Microsoft is already pretty good about doing the whole nostalgia thing. Like if you look at any of their social media accounts, they're always doing like nostalgia throwbacks. Is it a good thing or a bad thing if a tech company leans in nostalgia too much? It depends if it becomes like not fun anymore. Yeah.

It's that's me that I had two examples come to mind and one worked and one didn't ones maybe not tech It's gaming but moto razor Total failure they leaned in well, I think that's a terrible. Yeah, they just charged too much for it I mean like and they were hoping the nostalgia would make make people pay that and it did not and it was not great, but then runescape

came back with an old version. They basically updated it so much that everyone hated the game, so they re-released the version from 2007 and it's wildly popular now. - That's incredible.

So, I don't know. I will say it's possible to take nostalgia and just dig it all the way into the ground. Because when Stranger Things came out first, everyone was like, wow, the 80s are dope. And then everything for the next five years was 80s based. It really was. There's that new Christmas movie that was based in it called 8-Bit Christmas. And it just felt like the 80s version of A Christmas Story. It was like Atari and everything. Yeah, that's an American classic. It's a good movie.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, anyway, do we get to the news part of this? Yeah. Yeah. OK. I like the clippy call. I like. Yeah. I like that. Isn't that a prediction that we could write down? It better happen. It might not happen this year, but that's just my. OK. My thing. Well, in 2019, Microsoft invested a billion dollars in OpenAI.

Which was a pretty good move considering how fast they've accelerated in the last couple of years. Quick Billy. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. In 2017, the transistor machine learning model was kind of released, which changed all of what AI was going to do. And I think by 2019, that's when companies started realizing that everything was about to explode. Yeah.

They made a good call. But sources are now saying they have potentially invested another $10 billion, which is a lot. They are potentially going to have a $29 billion valuation this year, which is a ton of money. And that would give Microsoft a 49% stake in the company, which is also a lot. Other investors would also have 49%, and then the parent company of OpenAI would have 2%.

But interestingly, part of this deal... And this is all speculative. This is based on people familiar with the matter, of course. Apparently...

Open AI, once they figure out a business model that actually makes them money, because right now they're burning money every time someone makes a chat GPT query. Once they figure out that business model, they would have to pay Microsoft 75% of the profits until Microsoft gets paid back the $10 billion. It's like a Shark Tank deal. Kind of. Yeah. And then they own 49%. So for Microsoft, I think this is like a no-brainer. The only potential bad thing for Microsoft is that Open AI could like

The transistor model is something that everyone can use. So if OpenAI can't keep their advantage and somebody else pulls ahead, then that's dangerous. But considering Microsoft is trying to integrate all of these OpenAI features into their suite right now, I think that's a pretty good call. We talked about how Bing is going to be potentially integrating chat GPT-like features into Bing. Which is really, really funny. A good move. Yeah.

Wait, like it's just it's so you remember Ask Jeeves back in the day? Yeah. Where the our like 2009 idea, I don't even know what year, but our idea of like a virtual assistant was like me asking Jeeves, like, what's the capital of Croatia? And then the little character goes, the capital is and tells you the answer. Like, wow, he understood me. Now it's like.

You talk to Chad GPT and it kind of is that moment again where you're like, whoa, this is really helpful. It actually understands what I'm asking and is able to give me helpful results, which is usually what you go to Google for. But hey, if Bing can give you something like that, that's useful. I think the thing is like the pipeline of the way that users interact with

things on the internet or in daily life is every time you can strip out an additional point of contact between the user and the thing they're interacting with, the more points you can strip out, the more they're going to use that system.

So if you can just go into Bing and in Google, you go into Google, you type in a question and generally you still have to click a link to find the answer. Google's been trying to pull relevant data into Google as much as possible over the last like five, six years. And they've gotten in a lot of weird trouble for that. But if you can just ask a question in Bing and not only is it a search engine, but it also tells you a detailed answer that is not even necessarily from a website, but just scraped from the internet.

That's a huge win for Microsoft. - It is. - They get to run the ads and then you don't even have to go to a website. - Keeps people on, so that was the thing. So Google would try to give you the answers scraped from websites that it's indexing above the websites. - Yeah. - Because they wanna keep you on Google and serve you ads and if they kick you out to links fast enough, they're being really helpful but they're not keeping you on Google and making money from it. So it's like, oh, we're being helpful, here's your answer.

So in Bing's world, you just go to the max with that. You're like, ask Bing something and Bing will tell you the answer and you don't have to leave Bing for anything. We'll never go to any links. We'll just scrape the whole internet and tell you things. And it's not even necessarily sourced from a specific website, which is the crazier part. It's like scraped from the entire internet, which becomes a problem because then websites are never going to have any traffic and then the internet will shut down.

It kind of feels almost like the way you were saying Google got in trouble for like putting snippets of websites on. So like, I guess, is this kind of like a loophole to that is like we're not giving the specific website. We're just using all of our scraping to doing that. And then what's stopping Google from eventually just being like, we could do that. I think they can. I think that.

Open AI right now has been very kind of gung-ho about putting this stuff out first. Because again, like I said, these models are open to anyone. I don't think Open AI has any specific special sauce or technology that they're using that isn't widely available to everybody. It's sort of like Tesla having the first fully autonomous driving car. Nobody else wants to do it because they don't want the negative headlines when those cars get in accidents. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah, it's the whole thing is, I think a little. I don't know how I feel about it. Like, I don't know if this is weird. And the ultimate thing I think is how is OpenAI, this company we've never heard of or just recently heard of already pretty much doing better than Microsoft that they want to buy it and to improve their maybe not doing better than Microsoft, but like. Yeah, it's their entire focus. Yeah. Which is like, how can we build these useful AI tools and

and make them available and useful to people and then use the research to do better with the next project and they just keep making things and it just keeps getting better and better.

Which is awesome. And then we get these awesome tools. And OpenAI has been particularly good at getting them in front of people's eyes. Like Dolly being available to regular people is one of the fastest accelerators of like people in the real world just talking about AI that I've ever seen. Making AI art. And then we have, you know, ChatGPT just talking to people all the time. You've seen it all over Twitter for like six months. Like we're talking about AI. We're using AI tools. And I've even said before one of my biggest pet peeves is like companies...

saying that they're using AI when it's like, "You've got some optimization algorithms. I don't really buy that it's AI." But they like to use the word because it's very future forward. This is AI in the forefront. - This is like if Microsoft had an AI department, but they'd already been doing research and development for six years.

Yeah, that's why it's easy for them to just sort of like just grab it also again It's like so low like lift because sure they give them a huge investment now, but they're literally gonna get Yeah, it's a pretty good deal. It's a Kevin O'Leary deal for sure Yeah, you're like here listen. Yeah, I take 49% of your company. I give you 10 billion dollars You give me all of the 10 billion dollars back. I

And then I keep the 49%. Deal? That's insane. And they're like, yeah, we could use the money. Deal. But in other Microsoft apps like this makes a lot of sense too. Like Outlook, if you're drafting an email just saying like,

I'm sick. You just type in like write an email that says I'm sick and it goes like, hey, everybody, I'm sick. I'm not going to be able to come in today. I hope you ping me if you want to. I mean, or in Word with like resume templates and all that stuff like it. I feel like it would be really, really awesome in there. And it has to be Clippy or else I don't care. But Dolly and PowerPoint. It's like you're making PowerPoint slides and you need images. Clip art. That's huge. Yeah. Even moving, moving clip art. Yeah. I'm sure Dolly will do that at some point. Yeah.

I know people have done this a thousand times, but I do want to read a chat GPT result that I recently found. Oh, so this is chat GPT simulating people with an IQ of 200, 100, 70 and 50 explaining why it rains. So the first one is pretend to be a person with an IQ of 200. Why does it rain?

rain is the result of a complex set of meteorological processes that occur in the earth's atmosphere water vapor which is the gaseous form of water is present in the air we breathe blah blah okay great iq of 100 why does it rain well when the ground gets too warm the air the water in the air turns into tiny droplets and when the droplets get too heavy they fall to the ground that's why it rains it's like dang that's actually true pretty good okay pretend to be a person with an iq of 70 why does it rain

It rains because the clouds up in the sky get so full of water that they can't hold it all and it falls back down to the ground. And the ground gets all wet. That's how we know it rained. Okay. That's pretty good. I think that's accurate. Pretend to be a person with an IQ of 50. Why does it rain? Because, like, Neanderthal. It rained because the sky cry, it gets sad, and the tear fall down on ground. That's how it make everything wet. That's why it rained. Sure.

ChatGPT is unlimited entertainment. I just want you guys to be aware. I hate that I'm looking at that, hearing you say this and being like, where do I fall in this? And it's lower than I would like to admit. It's 30. I love ChatGPT. I'm definitely around 70. I was 70. I was like, yeah, well-spoken. It's like, yeah, well-spoken. Couldn't have said it better myself. Sounds good to me.

So that's where we're at. I love ChatGPT. Is that all we want to say for this? I have one wrap-up question about this. Yeah, about... I just wanted to... You know, we were talking about ChatGPT suddenly appearing. They've dropped little small, non-public-interesty breadcrumbs of their research through the past few years. That Frank Sinatra hot tub time thing was an OpenAI project.

Remember in the office they made, it's called Jukebox and it's sort of like the music version of Dolly and they had it write a Frank Sinatra style Christmas song and it wrote it about, really? Oh, hold on. I want to hear it. It like made up lyrics and kind of sang it and it was really ominously not human, but kind of close. It's like horror. Yeah.

The fact that it adds like fake static is crazy.

You'll be in a tub. But the one that is actually kind of fun to check out is they taught these AI to play hide and go seek in this virtual world. And the first sort of like million runs of the hide and seek game are very like exactly how you'd expect the hide and seek game to go. And then slowly but surely, it learns to like

Break the game and like I'm the kind of weird signer exactly Yeah, or like like pick up immovable objects or like hide inside the seeker or like yeah do all sorts of weird things those papers are really cool everyone they also Created professional dota bots Yeah, I is pretty much been the best at every game since it's every time it attacks a game. Yeah, it's just like chess Yeah, or

what is that that first game that they did which was just the go yeah go it got incredibly good at that i feel like any game that any board game it can optimize and beat people at it yeah it has yeah yeah dota is like specifically difficult because it requires like so much teamwork and like all this stuff and it's 5v5 and they played them against uh like the top teams in the world at the international championships and it beat all the top teams

But then over time, the top teams like figured out its flaws and they eventually started beating them. But I don't think I just think it needed more optimization time. But yeah, so OpenAI has been around for a while and they've been doing like really interesting projects. When GPT-2 came out, that was like a really big deal and people were talking about the future of AI. Yeah.

But it's only when GPT-3 came out and all of this stuff started getting really into the public consciousness that people started paying attention. What are we on now with GPT? 3.5. And I think I saw a graphic recently of like a dot resembling the size of all the information. That was false information. Okay. I won't even remember that. Someone just made up this like random idea that GPT-3, well, so GPT-3 has 10 billion parameters. Yeah. And someone just created false information.

that GPT-4 was like gonna have 100 trillion and that it was leaked to have 100 trillion. It's not. Okay, good. Someone within the company was like, no. Perfect. Yeah, I only trust the people who are actually working on it because it's really easy to just spew things. It's really easy to go on Twitter and just be like, isn't this scary? Well, look what the future's gonna be. Much scarier. Big circle. Big circle. Bigger circle. IQ 50. You see this circle? Look at this circle.

That's like all of those scale of the universe websites. They're just like, this is the sun. This is hydrogen omega sun number 874. And every time they're like, damn, that's a big circle. True. I have one wrap up question for this whole Microsoft chat or OpenAI conversation.

We're talking about how cool it is, how nice it would be in Microsoft Office, how great it would be for Bing. Question for all four of you. Would I switch to Bing? Would you switch to Bing? And would you buy a Microsoft Office subscription in order to use these? David? Are we just going? Okay. So currently, I think that the current version of JetGPT is not good enough to research with because it is very confident about the things that gets wrong. This is a no, by the way.

Well, OK, I'm just saying I think that chat GPT version of Bing and Google are different products because Google is a search engine that allows you to do your own research. I would be using both. And Bing is just I would see Bing is just being chat GPT with potential self search features. I don't know how Microsoft's planning on integrating it.

I would love to try it. Interesting. I would love to try it. That sounds like a no to me. And you wouldn't buy Microsoft Office over... No. Exactly. Okay. No. Okay, I would not buy Microsoft Office to use those features. But I do find the brainstorming ability of ChatGPT...

To come up with ideas that I already had in my head, but I was just skipping because they felt like too obvious. Like I feel like with tech videos, I'm so, this is like year 14. I'm so in the weeds. I'm trying to find these ideas of things and topics we haven't covered yet. And I'll ask Chad GPT for topic ideas or title suggestions. And it'll give me a couple that I'm like, oh yeah, this really big idea that I walked right past on my way to a more complex topic was actually interesting.

explaining and it was really interesting. So I like using the conversational brainstorming part of ChatGPT. I'd use it alongside Google. I wouldn't switch to Bing. That sounds like a no also. Yeah, I wouldn't switch. If you're asking would I stop Googling things? No. Yeah.

I would not. I feel like Bing is trying to bring this in to help start using Bing as Bing. Or just an extra thing that Bing also does. I'll see. Ellis, you look like you wanted to say something. I can't remember. Isn't the new Microsoft Office design software have DALI built into it already? No.

Not that I saw. But this is probably the one that they announced with the new Surface Studio. I did not spell that wrong. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if this ends up being very soon. It says Microsoft brings Dolly to the masses with designer and image creator. So that's what I thought. So my big thing is I would actually consider switching to

the Microsoft applications if they let us get under the hood as far as the data sets. Like if I could train the AI either to be like me or I could train like on my work or I could train it with the exact

inspirations that I want it to have, then it would be a tool that I could think of a lot of uses for. But as far as just like amalgamating all of human knowledge, I don't see myself using it at the present moment. Yeah. Something I was thinking about is you can train your own chat GPT models based models with transformers. So we could take all of your scripts for the last two years and

Or even take transcripts from like how you actually talked and run it through a transformer model and then use that to come up with new scripts when it would talk more like you.

That sounds awesome. Could we actually do that? We can do that. Because we, we have between Descript and all the footage we have, we have like, Oh yeah, we have so much. I have like probably 80 or 90 transcribed videos now. This isn't even Marquez. Has anyone done that before? Like has someone tried to download one person into an AO? I don't know, but I know you totally can.

Marques, do you consent to this? Is this something we can... So that was the thing. If you ask Jadge CPT to make something in MKBHD style, there's already enough MKBHD public association with things that it can kind of do it already. But I feel like if anyone else just wants to do that with their own work, they should be able to. But picture sitting down and asking you a question and asking Transformer you a question and comparing your answers to the question. Well, I think that if you train it on Marques script datasets, it's going to just

be based on his scripts. Yeah, but you forget like his person. We record Marquez talking for an hour every week. Yeah. Oh, true. Yeah, this is pretty. That's a good point. Yeah. This

I feel like it would... This is unfiltered Marques that you're listening to. I think it would pick up on his nuances and the way that he talks, but I don't know whether or not it would come up with actually smart answers. I want to put this project in our back pocket. No, I'm saying the AI is dumber than you. No, yeah. I do like... Yeah, I think that would be really useful. I've already...

multiple times just like stared at chat GPT for 40 minutes and had a bunch of really good ideas thanks to talking to it yeah so if yeah if we can if we can get access to a transform model I can try to make that happen I say let's do it and then maybe on a future episode of the podcast it'll be like the next time all flights are grounded yeah we can get into Hatsume Miko Marquez on the pod get various versions of me as I'm stuck in various cities around the country IQ 50 Marquez

IQ50 e-girl Marques. Now we take trivia break. Now we take trivia. Wait, wait, wait. Adam didn't answer. Sorry. I'm not going to leave Adam. I will never leave Adam out. All right. Thank you. So, no, I would not use it in Outlook or anything like that. And also, I don't think I would use it for researching purposes either because...

Part of the fun of researching things isn't just getting the answer right away. It's learning all of the other things. Like had we put into ChatGPT how the domain name system works, we would not have found out about the seven keys to the internet. So like those moments. You rely on us. I think you could, you can sort of bend it a little bit. You can kind of be like, explain this.

Blah, blah, blah. But I wouldn't have known to ask that in the first place. Interesting. It would have just told me how something works. Right. Yeah, but we also didn't ask about the seven keys of the internet. That's what I'm saying. We just stumbled upon it because we were researching. Like, that is... I don't need the answer right away. I want to, like, find my way there. But it could give you an answer that could give you, like, a little breadcrumb of something that you could then go and look more into. Yeah, but that's, like, the same with Google. It's the same thing. So, like, why would I use that over the other one? I will say that, like...

And I don't even know how well people like what research skills people have in general, probably fairly low because people just want the answer to things.

But it does seem like a kind of terrible world if people just ask questions, get fed an answer, and immediately run with that answer as their gospel. And don't fact check it. And don't fact check anything. That's most people. In theory, the hypothetical being AI crossover doesn't need to know everything in the world. It just needs to be better at Googling things than you are.

Right. It just needs to like know enough to be able to like or excuse me, Bing something and then fact check it with another Bing search and then serve you the information in the most efficient way possible. Well, the current problem is that it's not it's already scraped to the Internet and use that as the model. So it can't take new information. So I'm just I'm curious in how Microsoft is even going to integrate this because they'd have to.

basically continuously update a model like every day with new information. Yeah, it stops at 2021. Well, no, I guess that's what I'm saying is like, it's not serving you information from its own data set. It's just trained on how to use Bing better than you, if that makes any sense. Like it's still pulling information from the web. It's just really good at using Bing's platform. Yeah, the problem is that's like not really a transformer though. Yeah.

but it could be a trained behavior i think it could yeah that's what microsoft could do you could do that but i feel like you could have already done that before all of this insane ai stuff started popping up well now they have their shark tank deal they're gonna start plugging things in microsoft's never messed up buying a big other thing and trying to take over right mixer all right question number two brought to you by ellis that's me

What do Facebook, Vimeo, and OkCupid all have in common? They're all websites. Yeah, after I wrote the question, I was like, someone's going to say that. It's not the answer. Facebook. Facebook. But meta. Vimeo. Vimeo the company? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, as opposed to... The website? Well, because Facebook's not the company. Well, that just means, am I thinking about how the company is what they all have in common or what the sites all have in common? Oh, yeah.

Oh, you mean like a business common or like technical? Yeah, like I could find like, they all have the same color scheme on our website, but I don't know if that's going to be the answer. Technically, I could find a girlfriend on all three of those platforms. Yeah, that's a good question. Business. What do the three companies all have in common? Oh, they all, oh, oh, oh. Spoiler alert. Wait, technical? Do you say, sorry, I blacked out. Business. Wait, what?

What are you talking about? I got the answer from that conversation. I totally. Yeah. I didn't even realize if you're having a conversation. No, it's perfect. I love that. This is just that I'm the only one. The light bulb just went off. I love that. OK, perfect. Let's just leave it at that. We'll take a break.

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Welcome back to the Wayborn Podcast. We're your hosts. Okay, yeah, so we got some more stuff to talk about today. Are you parodying us how we come back from break? Is it usually that bad?

No? You gave me whiplash there, bro. Sorry. The audio leveling challenges have just been leveled up. Apologies. Yeah, so next topic is Google is bringing some new features to older versions of Android, which is kind of interesting and kind of cool and kind of sparks an interesting conversation. I don't know if you guys remember, but way back in Android 8, they had something called Project Treble.

Was this my favorite project?

And then your phone would have the new software. Right, right. Yeah. And so it was like compartmentalizing things, making them modular. So they've had multiple stages of making different parts of Android modular. They eventually had Project Mainline a couple of years ago, which was trying to push certain things into Google Play services.

So that instead of having to update apps themselves, you could just push it through Google Play Services. Right. I made a whole video about that. Yeah. Back in the day. Nine years ago. How Google is taking back Android. It's crazy because I watched that video and I remember seeing it and I was like, oh my God, you're still in your old apartment and everything. It was really time-fucked. That is the video that Vic Gundotra, at the time while he worked for Google...

on Google Plus saying this guy is the best tech reviewer on the planet. That was the video that I made that he liked so much. Damn. And it was all uphill from there. That quote has stuck with me and that video is the one that he watched. That was the turning point. Yeah, that video. So yes, Google continues to take back Android. Yeah. Basically. Yeah, so now they have something called the Extension Software Developer Kit where they're basically trying to do... Rolls right off the tongue. Yeah. Yeah.

Basically trying to do similar things. So now if you have Android 11 or 12, you can get things like Android 13's new Photo Picker,

which were originally like only Android 13 features. And it's also going to be used in things like their privacy sandbox, which is a new way of them handling the ad, the current, like they're revamping the ad tracking system for like better privacy and all this other stuff. Yeah. And basically I think they just see a future where,

everything within Android is sort of modular and compartmentalized. And the full on like OS level update is not necessarily going to be tied to anything. And honestly, we're kind of hitting a point where you don't really need OS updates. Like back in the day with Android, big OS updates were huge. So much was new. And now we're getting to this point where like everything is sort of server side. Everything is sort of

oriented and can get updated in the background. And now if you can just push new features from like new versions of Android to older versions of Android, it's almost like why do you need a new version of Android at all? That's exactly where we're going. So it kind of feels like this is

Yeah, it makes perfect sense. And it's a win for everybody where like if there are some privacy improvements in a new version of Android, but your phone isn't supposed to get this version of Android, you'll never get that one feature, which sucks. But if they're able to push different modules to different phones as just feature updates through AOSP or whatever they're doing, however they get it to you, and you don't need a new version every single time, then everyone's phones get better performance.

More than they would have if they're waiting for the software update. So I do see it as a win for everyone. And I also do see that as making the version number of the software that you're on less important than ever because you just want to get the features. Like that's why when we make a feature video every time a new version of iOS comes out, I know I'm making a video about iOS 16.2. But what I'm really making a video about is four new features that your phone's going to get.

that happened to be on the name of iOS 16.2 or whatever is a feature thing. So yeah, cheers to features being available for everyone. MARK MANDEL: Yeah. And there's a big irony here, because with Apple, the way Apple does things is you don't even get the new base Apple apps unless you update your software.

Right. Whereas Google is like all of their apps are just available on the Google Play Store that anyone can download basically. Like almost nothing is like a pixel exclusive app or something like that. Whereas on the iPhone and on Mac,

It's like your new version of Safari, you're not going to get that unless you download iOS 16. True. Right? Like they update all of these apps, but Google already has everything compartmentalized. So they have very different ways of looking at it. Yeah. I couldn't get the new Final Cut Pro until I updated macOS and that was killing me inside. Yeah. Because it was better optimized and I didn't want the new macOS. Meanwhile macOS has just been super buggy forever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I approve of this. Andrew couldn't get the new No Man's Sky until he updated. Yeah. Yeah.

My favorite game in the world. What if every feature was just like downloading a game? You like a feature of the new OS, you just download the feature. Yeah, plug and play. So many people would not have those new features, though, because they would never know to look. That's true. So it should work in the background.

It should just feed individual pipelines for each of the features and apps, kind of like an app update in the background. It just also goes through Google Play. It just happens in the background. You don't even think about it. Yeah. I mean, it's like websites, right? Sometimes you'll see on Twitter, they'll be like, some users should be seeing this new beta feature that's popping up. It's like, you don't have control of that.

It's a server side thing they're serving you. - I was one of the people who got tested when Instagram was thinking about removing like counts. And so I'd be with, I didn't get like a notification or anything. One day they just went away and I'd go to my friends and be like,

do you guys see this? Like, you can't see likes on Instagram. And I'd be like, you're crazy. Look, there they are right there on my phone. And I'd be like, no, no, I'm not crazy. They're gone. Yeah. This guy, I had a super in the weeds comparison. I guess I'll say it anyway. YouTube after like,

15 years of the partner program is updating the contract with all YouTube partners to be modular, to be in different pieces so that you have the revenue share program for long form and the revenue share program for shorts. And if you don't update, you lose revenue sharing period. So they're modularizing their contract.

Which makes sense because now they can just add new modules. And if you want to do revenue share for shorts, sure, sign that one. If you want to do this new feature that comes in the future, sure, sign that one. And just like Android features, you could just update them as you go. But you do at some point have to make the leap to this new structure, which is like everyone has signed the signed contract for a bazillion years. And now we're just going to have to flip a switch. And if you don't flip the switch, you're out in the cold.

Flip the switch, creators. Look in YouTube Studio. There's a new contract. You have to sign it. You have a deadline. Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah, you'll see it. If you don't log in, you won't see it, but you have like six months. Oh, okay. So you'll see it. Anyway, that does remind me, though, of...

What Apple's there's been a couple headlines recently about what Apple's may be going to do, which we see these all the time. Yeah. But these headlines are about the iPhone. One of them is about Apple potentially making their own cellular Wi-Fi and Bluetooth chip, which would report which would replace the different chips that they buy from Qualcomm and Broadcom, etc. It's an Apple made chip that does these things.

And then another was about them making their own screens, I think. Custom displays for phones and watches, which if you don't already know, right now, Apple buys Samsung displays for the iPhone. Every iPhone is a display made by Samsung, basically. And so as Apple continues to take back parts of their machines, we saw how well Apple Silicon did for Apple, 'cause now they don't depend on Intel chips anymore.

this is like the last few breadcrumbs of completely owning the entire pipeline and supply chain for the iPhone and not being dependent on anyone for any parts of the iPhone, which is good for Apple. For now. For now. And we'll see if there are potential downsides to that and how that works, but...

That means they have a lot of control. Yeah. There's a great NerdWriter video called like why Apple needs Samsung. And it's sort of it's about the fact that so many of the companies that you think about every day, their main revenue driver is not necessarily their products. It's the fact that they are the best at one thing and they sell everyone else like the

B-tier version of their best thing so they give Apple all their probably their actually best screens because Apple's way willing to pay a premium for them and they don't really care because they make so much money Sony the IMX sensors that are in like every single smart phone you know you know I'm Sony sensor yeah meanwhile they don't really make any money at all on Sony smartphones yeah you know so

If Apple switches to a completely island-based approach, that's like, it could be great for their supply chain until they hit a snag and then all of a sudden the whole thing crumbles. Tim Cook is a supply chain guy, so I assume he knows what he's doing. That's what makes it so interesting. I think sometimes I hear about like a...

We were talking with Shen about this. I don't even think it was on the podcast, but it'll casually drop like, oh yeah, I remember that part that we were trying to get and they were sort of really limited so we ended up dual supplying it. We got it from two different OEMs. And I'm like, oh yeah, you can just like get two of the same radio from two different companies and hopefully they work about the same. And sometimes that works or sometimes it becomes like,

a huge deal. You know, people don't want the Exynos Samsung phone. Yeah. They want to make sure they get the Qualcomm one because they're such different phones now. So you have to be careful about supply chain stuff. And if you supply, if you get everything from one supplier, that's a lot of dependence on that working every time. I remember this happened to, I don't know if it was an iPhone or of like a OnePlus phone or something where they had, there was some sort of Silicon lottery around either RAM or storage. And it was like,

This phone's storage is half the speed of the other OnePlus 6 that you could have randomly got. And you don't get a serial number to figure out which one you got. Well, Steam Deck just did something similar too, right? Oh, yeah. With the fans on it. Oh, right. Like the cooling system was essentially some of them were being affected and louder and getting affected by like magnets in the back and stuff. And we've seen screens in the past too where it's not the same device, but wasn't it a Pixel and a Pixel XL had two different devices?

screen manufacturers and one had like a severe shift like green shift on it and people would always literally find like oh I'm having problems with my pixel it looks different and then eventually enough data shows up on reddit that you can sort of figure out like oh if you have the serial number that ends in this or if you have the model number that looks like this then you got this supplier for your screen versus the other one sometimes you never notice these dual dual supplied things and sometimes it's a big deal for the object so yeah

Yeah, Apple, I guess theoretically with this is reducing that risk. For all we know, they have had multiple suppliers for parts in the past, but Tim Cook's a wizard and we never noticed these things. But Apple controlling it all

It's good for Apple. Yeah, it's good for Apple until they hit a supply chain snag and then they have no one to fall back on. Yeah, but I kind of want to make a video like putting all this like structuring this because I think it's really fascinating how much we don't think about the supply chain behind the product that you buy and use every day. Like we think of the iPhone as like the thing Apple made. Oh, Apple screens are better than these other people's screens.

Well, it's like there's a complicated relationship. That's a longer story than just the screen. Apple doesn't even make it. Yeah, exactly. Actually, Samsung screens are Foxconn parts and they're actually giving you the best ones because you'll pay them the most. Yeah, which is also funny because like Sony makes all the sensors for everyone's best cameras and then they made a phone and it has one of the most difficult to use cameras and not the best camera experience. I think that's why I was so ready for... Well, that was the funny part about Red Hydrogen.

Yeah. Because Red makes cameras. Yeah. And what do they do with their camera? They bought an off-the-shelf Sony sensor. Yeah. So, yeah, we'll keep an eye on this. Obviously, Apple's not going to. Well, I was going to say Apple is not going to tell us in their next keynote what they

suppliers on, but maybe they do make a... They'll make a big deal about... They'll say something like, we made these innovations that streamline the process of our chips and blah, blah, blah. They'll say it, but I think it's up to us to keep an eye on how that actually affects the iPhone. I think this also in here says that the...

target was 2024 but could slip until 2025 so it might not be something we see for a little while yeah i feel like the chip shortage was just like a wake-up call to them and they were like we need to get our own stuff in line for the next time this happens even before the chip shortage like the every problem with an intel macbook pro oh true for so many years was like in the background i'm sure every year apple is like i can't wait to get rid of this i can't wait to get rid of this for sure

Well, it was also like we talked about when Google made started making tensor chips. It's like once you hit scale and you recoup your R&D costs, you can actually charge so much less because, you know, the amount of like licensing fees and like upselling like Qualcomm is doing. Yeah, that's the other thing. Insane amounts of money. The price of your gadget depends on the price that you get from your suppliers. Yeah. If you're able to do your R&D, get this crazy scale and then lower the price, then

They could lower the price of the iPhone. You mean increase profit margin. More profits, exactly. It means more profits. You sweet summer children. For a second, I was like, lower price for the iPhone? I like how everyone collectively was like, yeah, more money. Just more money in their pockets. But that's, you know, that's something we'll keep an eye on. It's maybe worth a video. Let me know in the comments if it's worth a video or if you want it to be structured in a way that you could share with your parents or something. You should cram it in a short. In a short? 60 seconds. Lord, I've never spoken that fast.

I think that's about it for this week and a surprising amount of tech news and topics to talk about. Before we wrap up, though, I have a whiteboard next to me. Do you have a whiteboard? All right. We have our whiteboards. It's trivia answers time. Trivia time. So the first question, while everyone gets their markers in order. Yeah. What was Teenage Engineering's first product? I want the name. The name of it. The name of it. It's okay. Take your time.

this is no pressure it's kind of shot in the dark y'all wrote yours already i think marquez and i have the same thing all right flip them and read them okay we all have this we all wrote op1 oh congratulations oh you guys don't know what it is

You don't know what it is. It's audio related. I don't know. It's maybe, let me guess. It's a synth, right? Yeah, sure. The most beautiful synth. It's so gorgeous. See, I wasn't sure if that was the first one because it's the only thing from them I can name. We have one at the desk. Yeah, I know we have one. That's the only one that I know of. We're not an OP1. We have the OPZ. Yeah, OPZ. That's a different one. Oh, you're saying that's it. Yeah, like we have another product. I would have thought it would be called like the TE one, like Teen Engine Engineering one or something. I mean, it's a good name for a first product. OP1.

Yeah. That's pretty sick. What does OP stands for? Overpowered. Original. Original product. I believe it stands for operator in this case. I like that one. That was overpriced. Yikes. All of the above are true. All right. All right. And the second question. Oh, boy. Let's take it away. What do Facebook, Vimeo, and OkCupid all have in common?

I hate that you guys are writing. I have no idea. This is one of those answers that I'm writing down where I've accepted that I don't know the answer that they want for me, so I came up with a different one that might also be true. Is this going to have to be like Ella saying everybody like, well, that's right, but not what I was looking for. I'm hoping that's what happens. There's a high chance that that's the way this works.

We're discluding. They're not all apps. They're not all websites. He said something about the business. Oh, something about the business. They're all businesses. They all make money. Also, I think it's wrong. I might be right. Something about the business? I might be wrong. All right, did you write one? Yeah, but now I have... Let's just all get this wrong in spectacularly creative ways. I just want to catch up with you guys. Okay, I mean, I think this is a fair enough...

but I know it's probably wrong. Okay. Flip them and read. Wait, I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. I don't think anyone will give me heat for making this guess, but it's probably not what you're looking for. Okay. I'm very interested in what you wrote now. I'm going to give you heat. Okay. All right, let's go. This is wrong. Flip them.

California HQ founded the same year. Those are different things. Founded the same year. I said all backed by the same person. Okay, so I wrote California HQ, showed it to Ellis, and he said, I'm not going to give you credit. So I changed it to founded the same year. Oh, no, that is right. Nice. I put founded the same year. That's also right. Nice. I was wrong. Do you guys want to guess what year that was? Wait, can I guess what year? Yeah, let's all try to... Okay.

Facebook? Facebook, Vimeo, and OKCupid. We're writing it down? Sure. For fun. Bonus Jonas. The bonus Jonas. The best Jonas. Edward Jonas. Okay, so MySpace. Let me do the social math here. I was in 8th grade, and I graduated in 11th.

I'm going to go with this. Late Bloomer? Vimeo? Okay. Wait, was YouTube in there? No. Oh, that messes up everything for me. Facebook, Vimeo, and OkCupid. Facebook, Vimeo, and OkCupid. Now Meta. No Meta. Still Facebook, technically. Meta was founded in 2020. Fair.

I think later than that. No, it was a virtual keynote. It was a virtual keynote. Yeah, but it was after 2020. It's got to have been earlier. It was like last year, wasn't it? Okay, Cupid was like one of the first dating apps on the internet. Maybe it was 2021. But Facebook is the first virtual MetaConnect. There's so many conversations happening. It might have been 2022. I'm going to stick with my original answer. I'm going to stick with my original answer. 2022. Yeah, 2024. I think. Rebrand.

Meta keynote 2022? Yeah, but switching the brand to Meta. I think it was 2020, right? 2021 was the rebrand. That was 2020. October 2020? Or was it 21? Oh, yeah. They appear to have forgotten we're recording a podcast. Is it really 2021?

Okay. Oh, wow. You're right. End of October 2021. Okay. It's because we had a whole year in between. All right. What's your answers? I said 2005 also. We all said 2005. We all said 2005. Was it 06? It was 04, baby. I wrote it and I erased it. I almost. Well, luckily none of us got any points from that.

I don't think we would have anyway, right? Yeah. Well, either way. Once I got it right. That's been fun. Thank you for hanging with us. And thank you, United, for still getting me here in time to actually do this podcast. Appreciate you. Props. We'll catch you guys very soon in the next episode. See you later. Bye. Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We are partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network. And our outro music was created by Vane Silk.

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