Is Humane's AI Pin the Future or a Flop?
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S up reform markets here back with another free podcast intro, which I think you already know this going, uh, so i'm actually out here in a hotel room this time coming at you from the twenty first floor in loss begins for a certain formula one race that may be happening as you're tuning into this for the first time, which is super cool. We might be working on something around this link link either way. Um this podcast episode you're about to watch was recorded again on a wednesday, which means that IT was right before we started to fly out on thursday.

And as in the year, apple drops the news, kind of a surprising news that they will be supporting R, C, S on the iphone in twenty twenty four next year. We didn't expect this in shocker. I think we actually talk about IT on the podcast how we don't expect this to happen anytime soon.

But now, you know, this is recorded a little bit before that news dropped. But IT is really interesting. This doesn't necessarily solve the blue bubble versus Green bubble thing that we've talked about so much.

Paper will still clearly prioritize eye message along side R, C, S. Maybe we'll change the color Green rebels, I don't know. But what this does mean is you can expect when this finally launches next year, testing between an iphone and an android phone to be Better IT will work over the internet with R, S.

IT will have typing indicators that should have resets, that should have all this new stuff. And I think, most importantly, photos and videos won't look like there from vhs. IT will actually be high resolution files instead of blurry, grainy, pick latest messes.

So all that is coming. We didn't know that as we regard this episode, what you're about to watches us talking without that information, but figured timman before the episode. That's bad. IT for now. okay. C on your sid Epace.

Yeah, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the way from podcast .

where hosts our kids and i'm David .

and that was the sound bar actually, Andrews, not actually here. Yeah I mean, yes, his diet is mostly true, but he's he's out teaching a little one the ways of the two. He's A D, he's A D so he's gonna to do dad things.

And that a has rightly li meant that he is not here today. Totally fine. And I was done like the whole trajectory.

You and Andrew host one without me, and then I think me and Andrew host one and had trivia questions about you, what you are here. me. So we probably should have Andrew w questions, questions.

Anyway, a lots to talk about this week. We've got A A whole a storm of just sort of uh, random but all tech related things yeah that I have thoughts on. We all have thoughts on. Yes, we should start by mentioning that this .

is not the first week yeah bonus episode of side and modern the death of the android ROM long form bonus podcast episode went live on wednesday if you thought that I was friday on wednesday was not IT was wednesday now it's friday which is benefit to you. So go watch that you have an already very fun .

episode is great. He was so strong yeah and yeah but first, yeah, no, boy.

we get audio listening .

as David is reaching under the evening. This is so heavy and picking .

up a brief case, the LG stand by me, go brief case monitor that we've been talking about four months.

It's finally here, jesus. A gigg antic display. I mean, it's not a huge computer monitor, but just to have in your briefcase. Yes, it's a tough one for audio listeners.

but I think I have a description. Yeah, it's sort of like a brief case which inside contains a jumbo zed like google tablet home things made out of the same plastic that airplane cabins are made.

Yes.

now it's vertical.

Now it's vertical. You can not take talks, free form.

free standing. You can play chess with .

a touch screen .

matter is currently border power .

right now IT less about three hours. How much does IT wait?

Thirty pounds? Seventy five. First of the scooter.

it's very heavy. Seventy five percent of inter dis tillie at seventy percent of my strength, goes to trying to hold this thing.

I think that school, to reference to go over, a lot of people says, unless they seen a short, but we also have a brief case, cuter. Oh yeah, at the studio, the ha model compact though. Yeah so brief case display briefcase tech briefcase or a hot star star. Sure, you guys that we have. yeah.

When did everyone get together and decide that brief case was the next form .

factor i'm all for? Do you don't know about you?

One of the things would work in a briefcase. This should, by the way, there's enough room for like a computer in there, in there behind the display. But it's just display, stand, speakers.

speaker and battery and big battery. Probably interesting. Yeah, yeah.

So glad we got bad. So that exists. So that exists. Anyway, this is coming up.

Another thing that exists, yeah is a this happened right after we record the last episode, this humane A I pen. Yes, it's finally been unveiled and described. And and Price, we know what IT is now.

Yeah um so s let's talk about IT. I have some thoughts. I'm not really sure how many of my thoughts will be nice, but we'll see.

I'll see. I'll far we get so okay, we didn't know how much would be. We didn't know what I would be.

We knew chat, we knew humane A I was going to do some AI related product, and we've seen these teaser ers is like very fashioned tea ser of the morning is pin projector project, something on your hand will let talk. What is exactly is IT is the post smartphone gadget. Yeah the first time do you think of thing is so now comes out it's a video.

It's a shift team in a video, video, whatever IT is. So it's the two founders explaining what the product is. Ah I want to put aside the lack of uh, on camera presence because is not everybody has IT this just you know not everybody has IT what other companies have really great presentations, but they gave us a six hundred ninety nine dollar pin with a twenty four dollar a month subscription service which gets you a couple things team mobile service, title subs thing also .

also seven, ninety nine for certain colors.

Sorry, that's right. Hundred nine, nine dollars for the base pen. But if you want the White one or if you want a certain combo of, I guess it's like silver or a and e and black.

by the way, from on technologies is .

a terrible idea. Dollars make a pixel camera that face us forward. Uh, it's got a battery inside. It's got a microphone inside. And IT basically has A A large of speaker and a storage and processing power to run a local A I model parry by ChatGPT for. And that's basically what you are mostly interacting with when using slash wearing this pin.

Yeah and then there's a projector on the front where if you hold your hand up is is going to be weird again for audio listeners. But you hold your hand up right in front of your chest. IT will project that U I onto your hand, and then you can interact with the projection.

So by moving your hand, closing and opening your hand, you're selecting things and scaling through things. That's the basic premise. Yeah, it's an AI assistant that you wear and and interact with and pay constantly for yeah yeah.

So the way the way you actually like charge IT is that and that you wear IT, they call at the perpetual power system, which stands for a magnet that has a battery.

And the do you kind of clever with this? Yeah, it's kind of the same way how you see like your buds are like, oh, this is a forty hour battery life, but obviously you can't wear them for forty hours straight. It's actually that the battery in the earbuds is four hours and then when you put them back in a case, you can charge them back up and using for four more hours and put back. But you also with this A I pen, I guess you don't want to take IT off yeah uh, so you have some way of charging IT wall you're wearing yeah.

that's how IT gets. That's how IT goes on your clothing in the first places that uses a magnet between clothes. Yeah, but that magnet also wirelessly charges the device.

cool.

So I get clever power. Yeah, clever. It's basically like A A I system that is routing you to other a that sort of how they're describing IT.

Um you interact with that with natural languages and with like tapping and stuff. And then depending on your query, IT will route you to the right A I platform to do various things are in their presentation. They got a lot of things incorrect because of the hole is nation problem with S.

H. So they both held out a small handful of almonds and asked that how much protein was in the almonds. And IT uses the camera because they can use the camera like, look at things around you.

You can use the speakers to listen to the things around you. And it's best people analyze all this information. IT looked at like five omens that was in this guy's hand.

And IT said there were fifteen grams of protein. And and then I added IT to this, like, I don't know this daily protein log that you can access via web APP. There's this weird, there's a web portal.

There's a web portal interface that you can use to access all your human information. And for some, then they want you to track all of the food that you eat by, like taking photos of IT. And then it's supposed to analyze that and then put that information into this web portal. Anyway, a small handful of omens does not have fifteen grams approach. I would be sick if I did.

though I would love that .

he has like two grim party yeah. And a lot of people are getting online. Being like that is completely incorrect. And I think GPT was basically accessing the data of how much like a cup of omens would have something like that.

The other thing is he asked IT when the next total solar clipsed was going to be and where the best place to watch IT would be. And he said that would be in April. And the best place to watch IT was australia.

A lot of people came out being like, no, you actually can even see in australia economic north america. So yeah because these large language models are sort of just predicting the next most like likely word. Um you're not always going to get accurate information. And if you are using a device that has no screen and that you're just supposed to be using ambient's, like getting incorrect information like all the time is probably not the best not create. Yeah yeah.

I guess now that i've seen the announcement, oh, I was we are kind of wondering what that would be. But now that we've seen IT, I feel like I have two main thoughts on human, human, human ghz main humane thoughts. One is, you know, I see the videos, but I haven't tried IT. And this gadget has the potential to be a really big or really small gap between how I think it's gonna and how can actually so I am watching like this does not seem great. I don't believe that a project onto my hand is going to be great.

You, I is IT onna, track my hand around when I move, or do I have to have my hand in the perfect place? Is he going to sag on my clothes? Because the weight of the pin in the computer in the battery is too much the material to pull my hands spot outside and its sun is that can even shop on my hand at all um if my skin color on my hand is different from Normal as I going to work, if I don't have a hand, how accessibility for that? All those questions are real.

And then the actual interacting with the A I thing, like I wanted to be cool, but I just, I have my doubts. So this could turn out to be just as bad as I think, or I could totally blow my mind. yeah.

My other thought is, if you zoom out a lot, I think the idea of an A I assistant that you can just ambient's have around you is a cool idea. And I wonder if we're going to feel like this is something that's ahead of its time, because the tech just isn't good enough to accomplish that yet. But if you think about.

you are sort of have an A I system around you and like your apple watch or yeah theory in your headphones.

I guess I just mean the natural way of interacting with an invisible assist. M like we have the the ray band smart classes. We have a language model in them. Yeah and there is a camera on the front of them.

Yeah they kind of have this similar potential where it's like i'm just walking around looking like a Normal person and to an invisible person, I will just ask my assistant how to fix the broken sank in front of me, right? And I will tell me how to fix IT yeah because it's a smart invisible assistant that nobody else has access to bit as to me that's sick if this works but the tech is so Young that right now I kind of doesn't yeah work and I felt this pin is the same way where, like the idea I love the idea of like having a plate of food in front of me and being like log by macros and IT just does IT. I've wanted to log macros even in an APP manually for years.

Yeah, it's orrible if your food doesn't a barcode like good yeah so the idea of just having a intelligence tly look at the food and figure out a call, but like the tech is not that good yet. Like how how was the stake actually cooked or where the fries deep fried? Or is IT just like potato? What I just like what is what is in front of you. It's like really hard.

And then there's no way to like interact with the displayed or anything. You're not actually sure what information is logging. And then you look at you like macros later in the day and you just have no way to authenticated that information.

Yeah, yeah. I think that google glass was like fifteen years too early and really more yeah probably we are probably twenty to twenty five years too early. And if um you know that seems like IT would be a Better use case than this humane thing. I think that they wanted to avoid smart glasses because you can look like a glass hole could not quote if you're wearing smart glasses unless their sunglasses, which people are used .

to saying now you're gonna .

pino ah or um or if you have a prescription and you just have smart glasses, but with a prescription that you wouldn't able to notice the pen is a kind of a weird thing and I think that they're trying to make IT like it's sort of fashion, but it's not necessarily making IT look like it's ai.

Um their angle internally could just be like not everybody can wear glasses all the time but anyone can wear a pin yeah the time yeah the weird .

thing too is they showed the pen attached to like a handbag. Therefore you can wear anywhere you could put on your purse. You could put on this project exactly. okay. And I didn't even realize that .

that's a great point.

Yeah give its on your handbag. The projector won't work and then you'd have to you'd have to bring you up to your mouth if you want to to talk to IT. It's most of these beam forming speakers that make IT like sound like he only you can hear IT.

But yeah but I mean, I I want to hear what can we get, obviously, but there are other examples of that that work yeah .

yeah the both really little slice of technology .

that kind of work already for some of the applications of this. And that's one of them like some of the audio tricks that I can plan on you yes, can work really well. That's cool ah even occasionally just asking the GPT model, probably basic questions.

There's probably wanted to use cases where you're just walk around some random park and you get to a landmark and it's a statue in front you and you just tap the thing like what is that and IT tells you and are like whole that's awesome. This tech works really well. There are probably little sliced that that make you believe that this is the future.

But today, for seven hundred books and twenty four box a month, that's a tough cell. Yeah, I got to say he feels like a tough cell. I do want to try.

I did buy one. Oh, I really not say that. I did not like treat my order special or something. I know they might not matter and I want.

I don't know when it's going to come out. You can creeter IT now, but they don't have like a release state. It's a really good point. You know maybe i'll be the roads there situation again.

So you guys think that the demo was real because you saying like the peanut in the hand thing like cause to me when I watched those them as I assume it's all like main post yeah .

I should have been.

It's clearly really because theyve messed. It's a it's a fair question. I think if you I would guess that they actually real.

I think a lot of them, they take the pride and like that. We came from apple thing and apple always does real demos and and google always be demos. I have certain companies like proud to always do real demos. Yeah so yeah, they could have done a prerecorded thing. But I think in order to feel like you're not lying to the public and attack actually works, I want to believe that those are real demos.

I I mean, if they weren't real demos, they probably would have got the information correct.

But I don't know that I assumed that when everything was getting like when he was going around on sweater, that certain things were wrong or an x excuse me, I assume there was like a copy editor that like .

a mister fact I don't think so. And that sounds like a GPT mistake .

to me that does but yes, that assumes that the demo was like and accurate, which I never assume yeah for like the prerecorded of stuff but i'm not sure that's i'm asking.

The funny thing is they issued um this no when everyone was talking about how everything was incorrect about IT and they were like ah that was a bug and we're working on fixing IT as like you can't fix the way transformer models of work, it's not a bug like watch me chat V T you get just fixed chage. Vt, yeah just so there's been a lot of hyper on this company for a very long time, specifically because of their um you know two people that worked worked at apple, worked on the original iphone interface. Dream team yeah kind of the dream teams scenario type thing, but it'll be fun to watch the reviews of those go alive when they eventually do yeah but until then we don't really know much and they only showed demos to like a couple of journalists and none of those journalists were very impressed with that.

I allowed to use IT to yeah that's the main question.

They're going to see IT being used. That's tough because .

you know apple vision .

o red flag yeah I .

can say apple vision pro. We also aren't able to shoot any videos of our demos, but we did try that instead watching someone yeah so that's a separate layer of okay this is probably ah so if no one's going to use yeah, that just makes me really the first .

priority but no one could actually use IT yeah is just a huge red flag to me. They did get a lot of money at me for not using IT.

Assuming the demo from the keynote, if you want to call that like was real, one thing that IT far exceeded my expectations in is something called key stoning with the projector, which is where when you're projecting onto a surface that's not perpendicular with the plane of the lens, dier, parts of the image both focus and size, because the different parts, the interact to travel different distances to ones. And you can see the keystones chasing his and moving and changing .

angle power. It's a ton of power .

because and there's there's a lot of really interesting grad student papers on the most efficient way to do this and stuff like that. But just like watching IT sort of chase the plane around from just a projector, or one of you am like, pretty cool, pretty good, assuming it's real, assuming it's not something computer.

Ah, yes, we did have one projector that we did in a dog tech video a couple years ago at this point. But I did IT really well and lie you and I also made IT a touch surface, so was responding to what I saw you.

Yeah, the nebulous series of producers do this pretty well. And and so does this, samsung, thus samsung, the freestyle. That's the full name of IT. But those all sort of like you move and then they go like, oh, I see that you change one .

sac yeah this .

is like because .

the project those to be yeah, I think those might be those might have a built in delay on purpose where if like some walks from the wall, you don't immediately. So it's like, let me just check, are you sure you're you going to keep? Yeah it's going to stay. Okay, let me change IT.

Yeah so that could be really cool. Fasted, say a the in a lot of the people that were wearing and IT looked like IT was sagging their clothes s quite a bit. I think I might be the most underrated lie.

It's not super a ly, yes, special. The battery is a social metal, right? Yeah, this could be heavy. Yeah anyway ah so anyway, that'll be interesting. Um we can't really comment on and much until we actually get a thing in.

I don't know when we will but if you get anything yeah um something else that's also not coming out for a minute to the public but that we did get to try technically comes out today oh yeah okay as a recording as of right publishing and so nothing bringing imessage kinder to the phone too. Oh my okay. So this is a this is a whole thing is a very interesting.

It's like this nothing company is willing to try some stuff, you know they are going to try stuff. So I have set the table with this video and I made the whole video. If you want watch, it's on youtube, it's on x um it's if you're a company trying to break out and and make a new smart phone and gather market share and grow sales around the world, you can count a follow a pretty reasonably predictable approach and start to do that.

Maybe you differentiate with Price or spects or design. Carl pays done IT before with one plus, right, man. But there's something about the U. S.

Where you can't have to do certain things to break out like you need to be in Carrier stories to pass me two percent market. You just can't get people like there's not enough enthusiast to buy your phone online. You need to Carry your deal.

And what you also need is to compete against the iphone and actually get people to switch from the iphone, which is, staggering dominant phone in the U。 S. Stock kingly. So yeah, and I talk about in the video, like everybody in every other countries like this is so done, like you guys, why? How do you even use my message like nobody even uses what bothers with the default texture APP where I come from and that's totally fair ah so I always have to explain yeah in the U. S, people just open the texting APP and text each other yeah and on on the iphone that's I message and there is enough of a process built or apple realizes that they can lock people into the iphone with IT.

And most people that use a message or um just the apple messages APP on the iphone don't realize it's like that I message is not the APP. The APP is apple messages. I message is a protocol that gets used between iphones. But IT has S M S fall back ah so people are not used to realizing oh this is like an an internet base chat service where as regular as is just regular S M S, all they really.

really thrown off. yeah. All they really realizes this works good on.

My friend has an iphone and this works way worse. And my friend, iphone, yeah. So that pressure is real. So if you are a new start up company trying to cell phone in the U.

S, you're gonna be up against people who are like, I don't really want to phone that can work with I message. yeah. So nothing's genius idea is to literally just try to offer I message friend. And the way they did this was they collaborate with sunbird is a couple of companies we have talked about that are of doing this in some way.

But sunbird is one of that is offering a imessage pass through service that will give you some of the features of I message on an android phone so that if your iphone friend text you, it's gona show as a blue bubble to them. If you will send messages with pictures back and forth, that will be high resolution typing indicators, reactions, etta and all. That seems kind of cool. But you should also know that you are signing in with your I D and .

just giving them to a third party.

Yeah I like I I don't know us to explain IT like you're signing in, you're typing your use name and password to your apple I D into a market in, into or into an APP that is not apple and that's totally cool. You can do that, but that just means that they're gonna get your information and we've actually broken down what they are going to do to try to mitigate all of the possible security concerns.

They don't want to ever store your logging information. They don't want to ever store your messages. Everything should be encrypted.

But I just you kind of you have to know that that's what's happening, right? There's that risk, right? And so that's it's out there.

Now they're going to, I guess today start offering that um for nothing phone to users. I don't know that it's going to work, meaning I don't know that it's going to get people off to to go. I was going to get an iphone when I will get this one. Did you watch .

the nothing video that they put out about IT? And yeah, so they said that most of their nothing customers own, like your sticks or your ones or your tooth or whatever, and that they most of those people owe iphones. Yeah, so they were like widely selling these cool headphones.

But why are we selling more phones? So they did a venture market research, and it's not hard to produce that. I message is like one of the main or reasons in the united states, five people want switch off the iphone.

So they thought, what if we could just put my passage on an android phone and they say, in the video we made an APP, they didn't make the sub sunburn, made the APP. It's put a skin. It's a skin version of sn verse that nothing skin.

Yeah, yeah. So IT IT worked for me. IT was a little slow, a little jankiewicz um it's it's not a smooth their animations that don't look amazing like when I when I get a new image I have to download view the forests version but like it's it's working and IT shows up as a blue bubble to the iphone so there's that um but yeah he is like a it's a weird thing that only this company would probably try, right? Yeah yeah it's it's .

kind of crazy that they're willing to do this. Um I know that nothing doesn't a lot to lose. Suner kind of has a lot to lose, but also some birds still hasn't come out of like like super close down beta. Where's beeper is like pretty out there for everybody. I've talked to people from sunbird and bieber and i've said that they are not. They feel like this is the perfect time to do IT because with apple and google being put under so much regulation, anti trust curtin's y, they feel like if apple just like turn to switch that was like you and made IT not possible to do this, then they would get like in a lot of trouble. Yeah so I still don't really feel like it's going to last a really long time.

Um I was trying to figure that out. I don't based on my understanding of how this works, I don't know that apple could decide. I mean, maybe I don't know exactly that works, but could they actually shut this down?

They could figure out a way to not to make IT work like if you're I don't know if the mac that you're associating your own message count with is in a different country to the one that you're in currently, then they have to answer VPN yeah I don't know. They can do a lot of like they did not actually shutting them down, but we're making way harder.

So nothing told me that their mac mines are going to be in whatever region you're in. There are a bunch different mac, many server farms, whatever, in different locations. There will probably be in your region.

And as far as I can tell, it's just routing through your computer the way and the other I message would yeah so IT would be up to apple to detect somehow that this is one of the specific mac mines or b or whatever that they don't want to use IT just yes, IT seems like harder than expected to shuttle down. I think they're going to do nothing. Nothing, literally nothing.

Yeah, a fun. Sorry, I didn't want to make a fun today, but just came out. Sorry, yes.

but I did. You probably true poetry, I don't know. This is sparing another conversation all over social media. And I think this conversation gets spred like twice a year, at least just about my messages, like hold and like, should we just have an open protocol that everyone should use or A A hot take? I was singing on twitter like yesterday was people were saying apple should just be forced to put my message on android because that way like they're not necessarily being forced to open up their proprietary or .

protocols ced to yeah.

but they're allowing other people to use their service, which is arguably a Better service than most than a lot of other messaging protocols yeah. And if apple was just forced to put I messed on android and they're still getting all the traffic and they're almost put I messed on android many times. They really like a bunch of leak documents where they were gonna do IT. They were like, you know, I feel like this is the only reason people are staying on the iphone yeah like like fill shelter and .

like all all they and android imessage APP just waiting.

So on ice, it's right. Whatever he has to go, I think that they'd probably have to figure out another monitise ation strategy for IT though if they were to add that many more users because they they would literally like the amount of users they'd add if they got to take into IT, not just because the U. S, but because the entire world would be so high that their server costs, which is explode, so they have to figure a Better monetization .

just before the couch cushions for some change over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yes, I found the comments on the video are really funny, which is every time this happens, there's tons of comments about in the country I live in what it's like.

It's like we know i've been told this guys thousand.

seven hundred and ten comments are like in my country. Most people don't use the iphone because everyone news is what have so we all just competing on hardware and the iphone is not that competitive with hardware. I found one in really interesting um they said in japan, a lot of people use iphones, but they are still use what's up on the iphone that's mazing which is like goldman gold wow.

wow.

Perfect in our japan same brain supreme one fifty over there. Yeah, yeah, yes. So yeah. That happened this week. It's out if you have nothing phone to you. You ve heard all of our red flag warnings, so you can say with in warning, but you can try IT.

It's kind of obama. They're only putting this than nothing from to and a lot of people upset that bought nothing phone ones because a lot of people didn't feel IT was worth up great to the phone to from the phone. I wouldn't work with the phone.

Not that I can. I think it's just that they want people to buy phone too. They probably aren't moving in a phone to units like how apple released the m three because like they all know them two .

devices going to say, are there any like do we know anything .

technical about how this d IT .

works on all andy ones d IT works .

by um because beeper .

was like an open source protocol. Remember like what is .

sunbird you do some bird, just a close .

service protocol.

So version of beeper ia interesting.

There's no like technical as far as we know, technical reason why I can't run on the phone one.

I think you could run some bird today been beta on the phone one. Yeah.

I mean, I I didn't get official access to some word. I got the A, P, K, and then I loaded .

IT leaded.

Wow.

that's sort of the science of back. Anyway, yeah.

well, yeah, it's out there. yeah. So have you got a phone too? Tried out.

If you have any other phone tried out in A P, K. Let us how IT works. I, to get the A, P, K for this.

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, that nothing one. Yeah, I have used boat peepers and sunburn, and I think that sunburn looks a little bit Better. But IT has less functionality than bieber right now.

So but does that even matter if it's nothing?

Skin, yeah, looks fine IT looks like in nothing APP it's got nothing.

The benefit of IT though is that it'll detect whether not you're uh, text in another android user or my message user and if you're texting, android user IT goes to rcs if you text and iphone user IT goes through our message. So that's a benefit IT doesn't just fall back to ash. Everything is encrypted.

yeah. Why encrypted wouldn't be the perfect 2。 yeah. Anyway, let's pick you to trivia and then take a i'd break.

All right. So as we mentioned earlier, this is please .

be about Andrew, the Andrew round.

let's go.

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Welcome back. We get a few new stories for you here today. The first one being that we finally found out how much google pays apple to be the default search engine on. So I oh the first tell us how much just okay. So it's always been known that google pays apple a lot of money to be the default or change on the iphone. And that sort of a way that a lot of brothers make money now is sort of like, I want something they're like, hey, we could make being default and google, you know, all these things so, uh, during this anti trust trial, uh, IT was google versus epic because we already did pic apple versus epic and that we're doing google versus epic. I guess IT came out that they pay apple thirty six percent of search ad revenue to use safari or to be the default pertended on safari.

So what are saying is a APP google makes all the search engine revenue and then they take thirty six percent of what they make and give specifically on the of what they make on safari yeah and give IT to apple remain the default search engine flowing in this type of phrase into the search. That's a lot. Yeah.

a lot. It's also kind of a situation where it's like it's only a lot because they are the default. And so that thirty six percent means is a lot of money because they are the default. If they weren't the default, thirty six percent would not really be that much.

Yeah, yeah, ready for my heart. Take, i'm ready. It's all wasted money.

Do not pay them a dime. There's no way google switches IT to urb up. Apple would switch thing.

I wonder about this a lot. No way. I ve seen that I take on the internet quite a bit. Um I don't know if that many regular users would be able to like tell the difference or be pissed off they're using being.

I think if one day you typed the phrase into the search box of furry, and I pulled up a being search resolve, the entire internet would lose its collective mind. Even regular people. Yeah, not just nurse. I think I think would spell over pretty fast.

That is definitely a hot because I disagree hard really.

I think that the same way everyone knows that theory kind of sucks, the same way everyone knows being kind of sucks.

But two regular people know that he .

kinosling X I think so.

The thing is a search, the more people they get making searches as the Better the product gets. So if you make being the search engine for like a month, I will eventually be fine that you .

would think that's true.

But IT didn't work with seri. It's not one hundred percent that way. It's not like a learning model where IT just gets way Better way. But like automatically.

would they like OK let's say theoretically, hypothetically yeah, google stops paying today. Uh ah do you think there's a path war? Apple s OK, we need to cause also, if you switch IT to being that assumes microsoft .

is now paying.

apple needs to go to somebody and be like, yeah give a wants to pay and how much do you want to pay yeah. So microsoft currently not paying, google decides we're not going to paint anymore. Who are they going to switch to you if they don't have a default willing to pay? I switch IT to being and just give IT to them for that would be .

nobody was going to pay them yeah yeah. Because, I mean, there's this whole interest st conversation going on with google, google being sued by the federal government about whether or not they should even legally be allowed to pay off people like apple to be the default. Um I honestly, I feel like if you couldn't do that apple logic implement a thing when you set up so far for the first time, that would say, what search and do you want to use? And I agree with you that probably ninety eight percent of people would pick google search because why .

would you just pick apple make?

I mean, they could. They brought have already they just like event for a while, almost definitely. But if they make twenty three percent of or thirty six percent of all, google revenue is probably the best interest to use that .

is so this is interesting is like yeah on one hand you you like the money, you're apple, you should make a lot of money. But on the other hand, they have been known to like take big leaves to like for so some of that follow, like like switching from intel to absence icon. Kind took that leap, not that intel was paying them whatever, but they took that leap to go from the easy default to making their own thing.

And that made IT Better over time. And they have not made the leap to serving their own search engine ever. yeah. And I think there's a probably a pretty good reason for that, which is it's probably hard than they thanking. You need a lot of volume, a lot of business, a lot of things to work for to be good.

too, is that apple is like one of the only companies that does not make nearly as much money selling your data like apple makes most of its revenue and hardware and services. But almost every single other tech company sells data to make most of its money. And so a search engine for them is not that useful, right? Because the search engines mostly tracking your habits, mostly tracking what websites are going to. And if apple is keeping that super private on device, because that's the whole thing, that's the whole sick, then like what's the value of that to them if they could just like point gun in your head and say give us thirty thirty six percent of all revenue or we literally like pull the bottom out from under you, I feel like that's a much Better revenue generator from them long.

Ah I think there only the argument would be we can just make IT a Better product like we can. We can deliver the search engine that the world wants, which doesn't sell all of your information but learn from all of your searches and can give you Better features that work for very circle.

They would have to really, really, really assume that that would be a selling point for people. Yeah.

yeah. They just have to look at how many people use auto VISA today and assume that they can get that amount of .

people to switch. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah I mean only be interesting to see what happens if a this trial goes through and earth the federal government wins this case. I don't think they will um following the case, they've made a lot of bad, bad cases. But if they did, they would really interesting to see what would happen.

I think that I don't I personally don't think that apple would make their own surge engine because it's just a huge overhead for like not a lot of benefit, especially when google is so far ahead of everybody else that the quality of google search kind of directly affects the way that people see safari, right? Because if the the number one thing you probably do on your browser is search something, then google is kind of like lifting up all the other browsers in a way, dying. yeah.

Have you guys used yahoo search in the past few years? Now IT is literally microsoft being a back end with a google clone skin on top. I don't know. I don't know.

Think the only thing I use yahoo search forest finance.

it's funny. Like if you go in to yahoo, you like search a sports team, it'll presented in like the exact same form exactly. I know they even have them. The three by three grid for all the .

different yao is not just the google search for a look.

maybe if yahoo was well, go a little count. Apple could condo little.

There's a little .

browser for all of your yp.

Oh no, they call her that.

I just that.

yeah, what is that? All sites. This is literally the way to G.

L. sorry. Ah, you're lights.

Let's literally the way that google so, well, insane. I know that's a wild OK good for ahoo good for um yeah so I mean that's always spinning a black box that's interesting to know that information. Now there was a funny little blurb that was like when the a google engineer like let out that information, his manager who is sitting sitting like behind him, visibly crich, because apparently he was not supposed to say, no, yeah, but he got force to so.

And now we all know twenty six point three billion dollars. Now, the way form pod knows, we all know. You've been spending .

a lot of money. Yeah, cool. Yeah, right. Next topic, we didn't really mention last week, but there was an OpenAI dev that I watched a last week. Yes, their first developed. I tried, bro.

I really tried to watch IT. Yeah, I was.

So I an, I watched this for the first half hour. They try to do alive like live demos and stuff. And IT felt a lot like a microsoft o and IT kind of was a microsoft o because satio a came out and, you know, I don't know, open the eyes kind of a microsoft company now to be honest uh the under the wing yeah yeah so they announced uh, few new products.

They announced this thing called GPT for turbo yeah um which makes the context window for tokens much longer so you can import like an entire research paper instead of just you know writing a few words, say tell IT to me like this based on you know this information so yeah you can like drop in all the stuff um and move the up to date information to April twenty twenty three because before I was really behind and they made a note that they never want to be able to fall that far back again with the training data. Ah IT is also way cheaper than regular G G P four was. So it's a lot easier for people to use at scale.

And then they're also offering G P G three point five four people for way, way, way, way cheaper. Um so I guess small businesses can start to use this without a bankrupting them. And then the biggest news probably was that they are letting you make your own individualized chatbot with something they called GPT.

So instead of having, uh, just ChatGPT where you say you are my math teacher, do X, Y, Z, you can make a GPT called math teacher. A, I and this kind of bankers, like a lot of start of companies that we're just using GPT for as a back end, but we're spending IT up as a rapper. Yes, because you can just make this yourself for free and you can feed that. You can say you you train IT by typing into GPT for what you want IT to be and then IT just becomes this persona effectively.

Yeah, that's pretty sick. That also definitely ruined a lot of pitch dex.

Yes, a lot of pitch dex, a lot of tex. They're also going to have a store where you can download and sel G, P, S, I guess if you like, work on making them specific and interesting.

That's what I most excited .

for going .

to make awesome stuff. yeah.

Guaranis going to be fun to like, look about how long .

until we have one for the way from part.

Probably I should look up here from GPT. They have something something called copyright shield, which is interesting. We're basically like if you're using uh chat vt or like if you have a GPT, they're using your business and you get sued for copyright infringement.

Open, I will pay your legal bills, which is a whole like very sketchy IT feels very somewhere to when elon was like if you get fired over seeing free speech things on x, we will pay your legal bills even though he didn't actually mean that. And they still have a hundred million weekly active s which is crazy because before threads they were the fastest application, two hundred million users um but they have that many weekly now I forgot the reads got yeah wow. So yeah million weekly that was kind of .

the whole conference. There we are. We all weekly active users .

of GPT I use every week no.

Am I the only one saying.

but you use that every, every, every week.

and you, what do you you get 1 ly.

I look in the mara and .

weep on myself. I actually, I am surprised. I have asked IT for a kind of a device on both advice and for just information on things that is extremely hard to find on the internet and that there's only a few resources for on the internet. And IT gives you like a much more concise, much Better put together list of things you should do about certain topics.

And I just I think of IT IT might become more useful for me as dislike store comes out. But as IT is right now.

I just don't find IT that useful. And if I understand that, i'm only using IT more because I decided to pay for a month .

of the model also for work process. You were like, I want try this till like .

beyon just wanted try, see, see how works. I don't know if I am going to keep paying for IT because the free models already pretty good. But yeah, how much how much is GPT for turbo? Turbo is for businesses. I believe .

a business be a true i'm a business man.

I'm A I think it's me. I think it's like one per thousand tokens is yeah isn't IT crazy .

that one company makes ChatGPT linked in and world of warcraft?

Wait, one of these things is not .

like .

the other. It's all micros technical on activision blizzard.

They they are heavy investors to the point we might as well .

consider them.

Yeah yeah. So turbo is one cent per thousand tokens. Thousand used to be three cents per thousand with regular GPT.

Four is a thousand. I don't know what a thousand token ins gets me. Token is a word, okay, yeah. So I generated word.

Okay, yeah, i'm interested. yeah. I want a terrible o shocker.

yeah. Ah, okay, yeah, super cool. I'm probably gna continue. yeah. I use weekly mostly feel like some of the brain storming stuff that we talk about, but also, like you said, some of supernature, extremely instructive specific things that you can find if you just have this summer as a bucher stuff for you.

And so yeah, yeah, yeah, we should talk about the other thing. I see you though. K steam deck olet, yeah okay.

Steam deck olet also got announced. There's a dave 2d video about IT。 There is also no information.

So if you're interested, ves steam deck olet is a real thing. IT is a new HDR OA display with smaller bezzle than the original steam deck. IT is brighter now it'll do a thousand nights, uh six hundred years for sdr content.

A thousand its for H D R. IT is now ninety hurts. That's my biggest I was going to say I think that's one of the biggest deals and and regular people will notice it's absolutely A S I appreciate yeah um bigger, faster S S D.

I mean, as big hardware spec improvements on the inside three to twelve, our battery life quoted versus the previous two to eight battery. Two to eight, our battery life is a little lighter, thirty grams lighter, and it's a quieter fan and is a little bit more but transparent. Design five hundred forty nine dollars for the ultimate airplane seat back gaming console. I think it's a great I am i'm a fan of a great display.

So this is very much exactly intendo did with the switch o LED, yeah, they just updated. They made IT a bigger, brighter, Better screen. The battery life is a little bit Better and they had just started, can go wrong yeah. So I think I think that was a good idea.

right for the holidays too. Yeah really get people stocking stuffer is going if you're really generous yeah they fixed .

a lot of the problems the original one had, which is great. Um the fan had this like crazy coil wine issue that people were having and debris had to like issue a bunch of new cases for everybody because IT was like stopping the intake and making the coil, making the fan like wine a tn. So that apparently still works with that because the the body of the harder is exactly the same.

They were just able to shrink the bezzle yeah so the screen lot Better and they shrunk the node size of the a pu in IT, which is what increases the battery life. And you get a couple of extra frames and performance, a whole spec bump. Yeah it's technically new fast. S S T. It's technically the exact same um C P U 跟 G P U， but they didn't know drink.

Interesting yes.

not the it's not the same, but it's more efficient yeah yeah it's more efficient and slightly faster and runs cooler Better project .

yeah but more sorry, why public steam?

I don't think there are more nodes, right? It's literally just like sure I does I die a shrink to foreign omeo. I believe .

that's cool, cool.

So they're holding back the bigger chip for the next version. Yeah, they said that they didn't have any plans right now to do a more powerful one. They should say.

yeah this one yeah and then six months like just because yeah but will finites be doing yeah while we're .

on a gaming stuff, there's also new analog special edition like pockets getting released, special colors that are getting released this friday, the seventeen th today, today when you're listening to this, which means it's probably already sold out. So sorry for you.

sorry for tears you .

sorry for telling you .

these ones come in the classic matt color designs. H analog seems to be just shipping special editions of the pocket to keep cells going. They did a transparent one. They did a glow in the dark one, and now will translucent transfer cent glow in the dark. And now they are doing these mat color ways.

They're doing blue, Green, indigo, pink, red, silver, yellow and spice orange.

And they all looked sick.

They are they don't know why orange is the only one with the model, but it's specifically spice are nice about IT.

I really hope I don't get this wrong. I think it's because spice orange was an original color that you could get the game cube in in japan, like the orange game, is called spice orge. I really hope I write about that .

because stage tricks don't work on the analog. I known nothing .

about these old councils.

Yeah, if you were right, Alice IT was called .

spice orange. I go. awesome. New cheery question now please. We knew one Andrew related. We should do an Andrew ted.

a second tory boy.

do we have one for you? Let's get IT.

So second trivia question. So out of everyone in the studio, Andrew probably watches the most twitch, twitch. Thank you. I was going to say, I was going to say two per second because my heads and steam but yeah, he watched the most twitch. A what is Andrews twitch user name?

wow. Yeah you don't .

follow Andrew on twitch.

Um I probably do, but I don't want twitch.

which you don't follow me on twitch.

No, I actually maybe I do. I probably did. When I found out that you had one yeah.

I wrote down a use name that I had no longer know if it's for twitch or something else will just close find out later. I could either be right until really get about IT or I be wrong. Don't get any pots. Yeah, we will bear at that.

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Welcome back to our third final section of the way form podcast, which is just me saying that we've got a bunch of E V stuff to talk about and we've put IT all in the same section because I just makes sense that way that feels good to put one big actions I wanted start off with. What do you think about this a this jumper cable that lose IT announced? I think it's due.

I think it's sick. I'm shock that nobody y's done yet. Others have supported reverse charging. So what basically Lucy did is they announced A A cable that plugs directly into the Lucy and into any other evy that can charge them at a rate of up to nine point six kilos. So you can go, oh, you have a dead battering, your tesla model three, whatever.

Yeah, i'll pull up in my Lucy, plug one end into my car, plug the other end into the tesla and give you forty miles an hour of charge. Yeah, that's very sick. Yes, using awesome food, usually when your car dies of battery.

you're only like a couple of miles from a church anyway.

Yes, that's how fast my fast charge in my grass charges about ten kilos like nine, nine or eleven, something like that killed so like that's right up there with like thirty .

to forty miles hour a church now my question is how quickly does .

join the you fifty sixty miles hour of battery but if you're pulling up in helping so in charge, you probably got a bunch of battery yeah ready to go. I'm sure there's probably also some like limits to how low of battery to work with and mother stuff like that. But you're right, most people, when they are that desperate for charge, yeah they need like two miles.

And so I love that my sister, as a model three and SHE her battery died like a mile from her house. And he had call a to truck, had to her to our house, like your house down the block yeah. Cost like five hundred dollars .

yeah and he was at two in, say, yes, if he only had a friend with a lucent, which and a jumper cable, less likely but two in the morning.

I mean, my question is, can you use you probably can't use this on any other car, right? Because I think I think that they said that the the lucid have to like be able to push about the power out yeah and so there issuing a software update that allows me to do that right?

As well as my understanding of this, the lucis have the ability to send a power out and this this O T update will enable the by directional charging future and it'll probably have a handshake with this this cable and jumper cable .

there IT would be nice if just worked on every car.

every E, V, W. wild. yeah. Well, that would be crazy because you could just start sifting battery from people's cars.

And part once that's true. So maybe that's a good way that needs to be a software handshake. But yet f one fifty, f one fifty lightning has a giant battery.

And by directional, it's by directional, but you need a special box in your garage, right for your house to accept that charge. So it's like doing a handshake with a truck and then your house and then your battery to your truck is now the battery to your house another great feature. But I think the car a car thing is just like super king yeah definitely super into that.

The speed of cars. okay. Evy show me has announced that they're making a car while they didn't announce IT.

Actually they applied for a the right to sell IT, which in china ally reveals your entire product. So now we see the entire product. And IT is the, show me S U.

seven. It's an electrics sedan and not gonna IT kind of looks good. I think that looks really good.

Kind of looks good. I was not, I wasn't sure what to expect. I feel like will show me they kind of just make everything so I could look like anything. Yes, but when you look at these articles in these pictures, a kind of has vibes of like seven different, oh yeah, a good way yeah.

I feel like IT has like a sort of mclean headlights, a little bit of like genesis to the front in the face I see some portrait in the front hood. A little model three, a little model three, a little bit of tight. Can ah I kind of like the wheels with the spokesman also reminds me of the riviere wheel, believe not.

Wow, you get to the back. It's got more. I can. It's got a lights all across the back call is a solid looking machine yeah there's a founder edition badge on the side.

There's got a is an active rear wing, is a good looking little car they've made here. I think they said that there's a real world drive or a dull motor version. There's a three specks, three ms.

Yeah, there is the best part about this car is IT. Yes, I guess it's right in line. Will show me ah there will be an S U seven and S U 7 pro NSU7 max are they .

are the same size。

I think it's just power trim. What does that .

mean to be professional driver if you're not actually professional driving? I guess that's just up to hora max driver. What what happens was the mean to be a max .

driver has never been a car named pro or max before, I guess not doubt it's I wants to say there hasn't.

And why is there .

no pro max? I think it's just literally like one of them is a real will drive, yes, all we will drive. And then you know top top spectrum.

My question is how expensive this is going to be because IT looks really nice and and generally show me stuff is like very, very affordable. Yeah so we don't know the Price, but he is going to a start mass manufacturing in december, yes, in a month.

I can't want to do like a an educated guest based on what we know. So we will probably never see this on the side of the atlantic like it's just it's a show, my car. So i'm just gonna have to like translate to what I think the U.

S. Is equivalent would be. But like a car like this, which is a full size electric sedan, I assume with moderately decent performance, i'm trying to come up with a comp somewhere in the lake.

iconic. Five range may be a little higher. And with that active spoiler, a little spotify. Yb, iconic. What is the ironic here that feels like a forty thousand dollon's type thing would be amazing. Will that be cool for forty grand?

That be amazing. IT looks really good. Total guests.

yeah. IT also runs in O S. That can also be run on smart phones. So that is hoar. If this is similar to the pole star phone that they're going to make, that is made like specifically to go with.

what did you miss sed that week? Yeah the polestar phone, postal phone. Yeah no way. I'm looking this over now.

I was I was they're gonna a be making a phone that is a with that, what is the brand? It's a chinese OEM that's basically making IT for them, but it's made to go with their car wow. And the OS is like work directly together.

I mean, that makes perfect sense like in the same way that if apple made a car would probably work best with an iphone, right? There is probably tons of integration stuff you can do from maps to like, yeah, yeah everything would work best.

So yeah, i'm guessing this is like an android base and then they're going to have their phones also run the same android base. And I when you hook your show me phone up to the show me car, IT probably has like special integrations and just works really lesly with that, which makes a lot of sense to exactly how apple would do.

is that is really fun yeah makes you .

yeah apple star and mazo is owned by which .

huge auto.

which I thought so they are so gilly, on volvo too yeah.

Vo.

yeah, it's a crazy that one company makes volver .

echo wafers and and these hands ego.

I just made that that that was a joke.

O, that one was made up. But IT sounds a lot like the one that wasn't made up. You never know. Yeah, that is really funny. Okay.

what company does a minecraft and skype though? Microsoft.

microsoft craft and sky also rolled the craft C H. GPT. And get her.

but not true beauty, but sort of sorry.

sorry.

get back to more less. Yes, so much to that SONY car.

I think that .

was ever to go out. I mean, we did see a physical representation of IT at C S, C, S, S. ago.

I think a and then everyone went, we don't really want this. But you know, he looks kind of decent. This one looks Better.

Cool on crazy. A company that started a as an android ROM became this makes everything and cars where yeah .

and I mean, like so many parts that you ably need to be made and source from other suppliers. I'm sure I say i'm sure, but I don't know. I'm pretty sure show is not making the wind tid library actuators.

And like every single little piece of the car, the tires will come from someone else, whatever. But you know, right now know they probably a bunch of pieces of this car that make the display is probably probably make the camera for all the senses over here. The lighter stuff.

cool. yeah. right. Well, the thing I wanted to shut up, shut out was the postal 4。

Uh which will not have a back window at all yeah and instead it'll just have a Cameron the back and it'll project the review camera feed on the review mirror, which is a screen yes, is that legal? It's legal. yeah.

There the years that have done IT ah the cars there's lots of trucks that do this already. It's just kind of inconvenient. It's kind of weird. It's like this is the really, really sloped back windshield for this pole star force. If you see any photos or videos of the pole star for if you did have that opening, there would be a pretty small review mayor window. Uh, so theoretically.

this could give you Better visibility. yes. Is one hundred and twenty degree field of view, which is more than .

that .

feels like .

didn't have .

to do .

that ever. Green? yes.

So IT looks cool, actually yeah, that looks very cool. There's a verge article on someone from the verge that went and played with IT for a while and they were really, really positive on IT. They were saying they really, really liked that. I feel Better about that yeah and that nigh time visibility was really good that you don't get like glare that you would Normally get like because I can reduce like highlights being blind.

What throws me off about IT is if you look at some of the pictures in the back, like if you sit back there, it's just like an enclosed cabin .

you like that might be a i'm just the more I think about this.

this might be a good thing, but that's weird. Like what if you a road trip.

you can just look, that's true. You can't look. But have you ever been driving at night and the person behind you has the high beams on and just blasting the inside of your car here? That would never to be worse .

to be blowing out.

I know the camera can can solve for that. Yeah, I can solve .

for high beans being fired. Yeah, can reduce .

highlights by time. Or that IT has a mode where can switch IT to just be a regular mr.

But but then you just see the inside your car.

Yeah, but it's Better than some hybels. S no.

i'm not old.

I should get one here and try yeah, I guess so we should get one.

I I read a book in the middle school called the last book in the universe, one of those Young adult post apocalyptic c novels. And a big part of the book is that cars and the post apocalypse do not have windows and only have cameras. And so read IT seeing that, i'm just like.

all right, wow OK, yeah, there there's a couple of cards we've tested that have the option where you can flip between a real mir and a camera ET, yeah, and that .

actually always work. So maybe I shouldn't be IT works pretty well.

I tend to stick with the regular mayor, but I do appreciate a good camera feet. So I guess if I can solve for crazy headlights and stuff, I I don't see why I wouldn't be a different idea. Yeah, yeah.

i've d love to try. Get to try IT. Yes, alright, alright. Quickest here. We get a couple of quick here. So NASA is launching a NASA plus streaming service, but do not fear IT is free, which I don't think .

I can name all the planes.

And maybe after watching as a plus, he will be able to um yet a free strip services. It's going to it's going to have documentary. It's gna have like a bunch of just massive videos.

It's going to be awesome and it's free, which is great. Much Better than paying for another substitution service. Um this other thing happened where.

very sorry, what can you watch on s plus .

like documentaries about space and I was going to be like live telescope needs.

they probably have that kind of stuff and you can watch live .

rocket launch .

stream that is, do you think IT says amy winning life shows original series um there is also a space out series tagged under NASA and chill which are thirty minutes shows featured incredible shots of planets and space stuff all back by chill means I love that. Yeah I want to nsa and show later. So this is basically a like blue planet, except for his space planet, planet, great planet, nice space planets.

yeah. Okay, cool. I think it's fun, really. Think.

ah let's see who else can do this. What other like organization or company can launch like .

a live streaming baby? What are the organization launch?

Are the E. S. A last little .

here is there are some news going around. This week, someone was reading the terms and conditions of buying a cyber truck, and IT said that you could not sell IT within a year of purchase. And some people were like, oh, it's because it's gonna so bad that people are not going to be gonna to get rid of IT, but they can. Some people said IT because there is going to be a lot of scalpers that are trying to flip them for higher amounts of money and people of freaking out about this in general, and then they rejected IT. So ah no longer the case.

The only thing about the cyber truck is there has been so much hype for IT that there will guaranteed be flippers. Yeah, guaranteed. Like if you have an early vin, the thing that flew me through me for a loop is we have the the river here as the truck that we use for all the work, like we do with autofocus video.

Yeah, and we have a cybernetic order. So my plan was to get the cyber truck, evaluate the two side by side, shoot with IT, work with both, and then decide which one's Better and keep IT and sell the other one. And then this argo comes out.

That's like, if you want to sell the cybercrime with any year, test will see you for fifty. I guess we have to keep IT for a year at least, which sounds terrible. But they take a back yeah, I I always found the festing have a Carrying effect or fighting against coppers.

And like reseller, isn't all that stuff inevitable? Yeah that's everyone. Fifty lightings get resolved for one hundred k over.

Just absurd mark. Yes, party to get EV. This will be one of them.

Isn't there a sports car brand that will not let you sell your car, won't even let you do stuff to your car like yeah skin IT.

whatever there are. There are companies that go to various extreme levels of protecting their brand when IT comes to not only spying the cars, but using the cars. Uh, farias, maybe the most notorious of the mall.

They, when you buy a car, still kind of act like they own the car. My my favorite story is a when joe dead mouse, uh, wrap his furry with, like the non cat on the side of IT, uh, they sent him a season and disease. They're like, you can't parade this car around with a furry little that bon, it's my car there.

Well, you can do IT. So it's our car back. That legal paperwork. So he got rid of IT, and he got a lamborghini, an instead, and named with the perkin, and did the same rap. I thought that was great.

But like for I will only let you buy cars if you've already bought other certain cars, for I will only let certain collectors have access to like first dips on cars. Don't love people flipping cars and this is trickle down into into portia, into even some evy manufacturer. So it's it's real yeah it's real.

Ah the four G T story is another famous one. You could not, when you bought the car you like, sign a contract that you couldn't sell IT. crazy.

I know the thing I should sell IT. So tesla, you explore this idea little bit, added IT. And I took IT back.

Yeah, thanks crazy for the quiets. With that, let's get into trivia. I have both my answers already written, so so i'm gonna cover. I get other one when I read the first one OK.

Before we do this trivial question, just want to say when we were talking about alternative space streaming, orgues should have shouted out iooral indian space research organization literally put a ler on the moon this year they did we did not even talk about that and the changes on the three mission.

So anyway, ah sorry about that.

Now back to the trivia. So the brand has been around for quite some time. But one year before their launch, Taylor swiped at least a phone skin as merch, along with her third studio album speak. Now what year did speak now come out in?

I'm just taking a guess here.

but I think information, i'm trying to go with an educated guest based on the first time I ever skin the debris phone, which i'm gonna guess the first or second year, the deeper and ever existed. And I think this was like twenty thirteen.

So where did you just give me?

So I, because you are really right, right? So I rote, I wrote twenty twelve.

Then I wrote twenty eleven.

Speak now .

was .

released. Twenty eleven was the birth of d brand.

So I thought I was, when did the album come out?

Yes, yeah, one year before d brand. So that's right for the brand.

I'll speaking now came on two thousand, nine, ten and .

then deep. I was.

oh my god.

see you guess.

I guess correctly. But I .

got .

to look, is what sent .

me alright? So I kind of got the answer right?

Kind, fortunately.

But quin places.

What is Andrew switch handle?

I think this is right.

Is IT is.

or is IT is like steam usernames.

andy kitten, six, seven, eight.

two? Or is IT as twitter using them?

So many options, too many using names. We should just get one like M, K, B.

D years like that, that social. And I will admit that the first time I ever made Andrew, I thought that his last name was ma nella. Well, he's in my phone is and megalia .

nice and I have not changed to live and read .

is a jelly Roger and magi fake fans.

The answer is, Andrew, I do not know where you got joe much.

Now that what is this front? Now this is like, what is this from? Andrew, what is this from?

This is kind of a trick question. Andrew, what is this from? Because I thought I was going to be different from acme.

a name. thanks. If you had no idea, you could put his name. Well.

what is this from? Well, that I will do IT for this weeks episode back to your regular schedule programme, which is not to say we don't have more bonus content in the works. I'm just saying it's definitely friday today hit and yes, hard, everyone.

that we may think IT was friday on wednesday.

And again, great episode. Go to listen to IT that's IT rock and roll or is that from we just .

got a really great comment on our on on this video, and that's a phone freaking fact that none of us encountered when we were researching this, really the earliest phone freak's where people to either were blind or or supporting blind people, where Dylan, a phone was very difficult and you could die a phone with just the tones if you recorded them on the something.

But IT really took off when someone discovered there was a whistle included in a box of captain crunch that played exactly twenty six hundred hurts. And that was the exact tone to start a long distance call on A T exactly. And so that fact was able to spread through like the underground like wildfire. And that's what made people .

really interested.

Oh my god, wait. Form is produce by automated ice Robin, where part of the box media podcast network in our intro music is produced by vain.

so.

Do you do you coordinate like left side, iphone, apple watch, right side, a ID with ticket and risks?

My phones are always coordinated like that, but my watches are just like what I put one on and I put the other one on.

Do you have a rest that you always put the not .

even I I Normally put IT on the right, but whenever i'm playing or playing like playing ultimately playing golf, I move on to the left. So I ve ve had ten on both rests. Unfortunately, it's not great. I don't recommend IT support for the show comes from att.

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