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all right what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez and i'm andrew and today we've got our final thoughts on the lucid air even though there's some new news on it we'll get over all that in a second it's just a new spec of the same car uh we've got some renders of a pixel fold that should be interesting to talk about and see and to wrap it all up andrew's got his

his mind changing again on which smartwatch he's going to use. We will get an explanation. Yes, we will. But first, this weekend I had a quick tweet that a lot of people were interested in, so I just wanted to go over it real quick, which is the Powerwall and solar system that I have set up finally, I don't want to say paid off, that's not the right term, but the investment finally made a lot of sense because I had a power outage. I wasn't even home.

But basically what happens is the way, you know, I've talked about this in the past a little bit on Twitter and I think I'm eventually going to make a video on the solar panel setup and the backup batteries. But basically during the day when I'm not home, the tons of sun is shining on the roof and the solar panels are collecting lots of energy and

And that is more energy than the house is using. So the house stores that excess energy in the batteries. Yeah. When I get home, the lights turn on, the appliances turn on, the energy gets used. And so when the sun goes down, the house gets powered by those batteries overnight until I wake up in the morning again and the solar takes over. So basically you can kind of live mostly off the grid if you have big enough batteries.

And the bonus is when the grid goes down, if there's a power outage, you don't necessarily even notice, which is kind of interesting. So that happened for the first time. I was actually at my sister's wedding in Raleigh. Congrats to the bride and groom. It was incredible. And while I was sitting watching people have a good time dancing, I noticed I got a notification on my phone.

that said that the grid had disconnected. Now this is when like a hurricane was coming up the coast, so it was like windy in the entire eastern part of the US.

So I don't even know what happened, but I did get that notification and I opened the app and took a screenshot as you saw on Twitter. Sure enough, no connection to the grid, 100% power in the batteries. I'm not home. So like there's plenty of energy to last like 24 plus hours. But that means the fridge would stay on the whatever things that were happening to keep the HVAC running would stay on. Everything would be fine. And I'd come back and no one would even notice. If someone was home, they wouldn't even notice. So I thought that was pretty cool.

Um, but that's, you know, it's been a good experience so far having the off the grid. I've had a $0 power bill for four months in a row. That's awesome. I also really appreciated how in the start you said like how it was exciting, but not really exciting. Cause it's one of those things or paid off, but it's one of those things where it's like you invest in something or invest time in something for like a disaster and you're not hoping for the disaster to happen, but like,

You kind of want to see, make sure it works. So like, I don't know. I found that very funny. I remember we went hiking one time in Glacier and I spent a whole week learning what to do if you see a bear. So you're not hoping for a bear, but if there's a bear, I'm ready. But it's the last day and I'm sitting in the car. I'm like, man, we haven't seen a bear. I haven't gotten to see if like my instincts would kick in. And then last day, bear, instincts, perfect. Nice. Just saying. Nice.

I'm just curious. I've read some things and I don't think they're right about trying to like make lots of noise and appear large. I'll teach you later. Okay. So if I ever see a bear and...

Yeah. Kearney, New Jersey. Yeah, that ain't happening. But yeah, so Powerwall worked. I'm excited for that. Solar panels are something I've been thinking about for the house. I have plenty of other work to do before I get to that point, but it seems super interesting. And I would love to know what your whole setup is if you make a video on it later or possibly what some other setups are. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I want to wait till through the winter till I get a full idea of like, these are some short days, so there's way less solar. So I get a better idea. But like,

to get the big picture i think what most people's primary concern is is how long will it take to pay for itself so in the summer when they were finishing the installation the first few days i had in the summer in the prime of like long hot sunny days were like oh my god this is the greatest thing ever i'm generating way more electricity than i'm using

But now we're getting into the winter, which is the opposite, which is like, all right, maybe you're using a lot of heat, which is powered by electricity. And the days are way shorter and a lot of cloudier and you don't have as much electricity going in. So less backup. So I'm, you know, I'm going through the whole process, but yeah, so far. Yeah. It's, it's looking pretty good. Enjoying it. Nice. Zero dollar power bills. It's a good time. So stay tuned for that eventual video, maybe next summer.

But we do want to talk about the Lucid Air. The Lucid Air I mentioned has a little bit of new news. Okay, yeah. Can you tell me that before I... I'll start with that. Yeah, they are officially bringing to market the cheapest variants of the Lucid Air. So the one we had that we reviewed was the Grand Touring, and that one started at $154,000. It's an expensive car, obviously. It's a luxurious big sedan, which is great.

They made a cheaper rear wheel drive version with a metal roof, not glass roof. Okay. And it starts way down at, I think, $87,000. What's the mileage on that? It'll get 400 miles of range, which is still very solid.

So it's, it's, that's really, it's a much more appealing. I think that's going to be the ideally highest volume selling version that they make, even though it's not all wheel drive, it's still electric. It's still got like a great responsive powertrain. It's not the fastest thing in the world, but it's still that lucid interior people want. Does it have like more range? Cause generally with EVs, we've been seeing all wheel drive versus rear wheel drive. You'll usually gain more.

You know, at that 300, it'll be like you either get like 300 or 320, so maybe 20 more miles of range. But I think a battery pack like that. Yeah, they did put a smaller battery in this one as well. So it's like a 93 kilowatt hour battery or something. Oh, but that's cool. So that's why they can make it cheaper because. Yes, batteries are expensive. And here's the fun part. This modular battery system, and we didn't get to show it in our video, actually has cutouts in parts of the battery that make sense. So in the rear seat footwell, instead of having your feet up high, they cut out parts of the battery right there.

So your feet have more room to slide under the driver's seats. As two hosts that are over six feet tall. It's well played. Thank you, Lucid. We appreciate that a lot. It's well done. Look, I like this car a lot. I had some hot takes about the design, which is it's ugly. But maybe we'll get to that in a second. That's what I want to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I think the car itself, the way I went through, I drove with it. I used it. I lived with it for over a week. I think almost a week and a half, two weeks. And yeah.

Like the technology in it, the motors, the drivetrain, the one pedal driving, the responsiveness of everything, the software, the way it's organized and built as a car is excellent. So when I see $154,000 price tag, that's what I'm expecting. And this is a performance spec too. So it's all wheel drive, over a thousand horsepower, under three seconds, zero to 60, 450 miles of range. I think it's like $170,000 spec.

Incredible car. So that is a lucid way. And that is that is sort of the theme of the video is like they did a really good job with all the parts of this car. And if you compare this to, let's say, Tesla's flagship, which is the Model S, which starts at one hundred thousand dollars, they outdid one by one each of the most important pieces of the Model S. More range, faster peak charging, you know, better build quality, better luxury, more space inside. Yeah.

So I thought that was really interesting. But yeah, you do pay for it. Yeah, you pay for it. Well, that's why. So like, well, all right. I have a couple of thoughts here, which is kind of why I want to talk about this, because I like really enjoyed the car. I think I don't. And you even mentioned looks are subjective. Like there are people out there who like the looks of that. People love it. One of the things when we had the Lucid Air and what was the Ferrari that we had? 296 GTB. So we had both of them parked next to each other in the parking lot and we were

It got them like the same day we were both out there looking. Weird flex, but okay. Great flex. My job rules. But an Uber driver drove by with a passenger in the car and stopped because he wanted to come look and he wanted to look at the air, not the Ferrari. Yeah, that was interesting. That was very funny. And also props to that passenger who also came out to look at them while he was trying to get driven home after work.

I suspect that the Ferrari was so low it was actually fully hidden by the listed. I literally said to him, I told him what it was and told him a bunch about it. And then I said, also, there's a Ferrari right there. And he's like, oh, no, I'm looking at this. I was like, oh, OK. I guess he was into EVs and stuff like that. But I had a clip that I got from the autofocus video, which was some guy I was shooting in the back. And some guy was like driving around and he stopped and he's like, what is that?

And I was like, oh yeah, it's a Lucid. And he was like, who makes it? I was like, oh, right. I forgot how to explain this. It's like the OnePlus. Yeah. And I kind of, maybe I'll send this clip to you, Adam. I'll include that audio, which is like, I'm rolling and I hit the camera record button again. He's like, it's a new company called Lucid. Lucid. Yeah. How many do they run for? This is 150. They made a, they're not making very many, but they're expensive. Yeah.

I was like, yeah, it looks luxurious. Yeah. It has that look to it. It's a big sedan with the two-tone and the glass everywhere. Yeah.

There are things I like about it. I agree with you on the two-tone. Not a big fan. I actually don't like it because I think it looks like with the quote-unquote dumpy back, it looks like it's a place for... It looks like a convertible because the roof is a different color and it looks like it has a place to go into the back almost. And I don't love that. But I like the front. I was thinking like if it was a convertible, I'm picturing that glass roof folding and it making the same sound as like the Royal FlexPi.

either like creaking and like sliding back it is an interesting looking car um i like the front though what'd you call it you said it looked like a whale shark i said it looked like a whale shark i can't unsee that well what's funny is because i thought the front looked like a whale shark and then you open the back and the way the trunk lifts like from like all the way in the bottom and just opens the mouth i was like oh my god that looks more like a whale shark yeah um inspired but i i

I like the outside. I think there are better looking cars out there, but I don't hate it. And then when you get on the inside of that thing, it is just, it's fantastic. You forget about the outside when you're on the inside. The inside is so quality. It's just like everything feels, I actually was comparing it to the Mercedes EQS we had because that was one where it met, both of these cars feel like they're mostly focusing on the interior and the like passenger or interior driving experience. And the EQS felt like

We're Mercedes. We know how to do luxury, but we don't really know how to do the tech. It's like too many screens, too glossy. Yeah. A bunch of weird things that like weird galaxy tab to like in the back. It's just like, yeah, we're luxury, but we don't know tech. The lucid was like the refined version of all of that. It was,

The knobs were perfect. There was a really good mix of real buttons and touchscreen and the folding down screen and a couple little quirks in the software, like you mentioned. But man, the interior of that when I just got to drive it to the back when we were shooting and I was like, wow.

This is, I would love to sit in this. You forget about the outside real quick. I do. I will say the, uh, the EQS comparison is accurate. When I, I got a chance to actually visit Lucid's headquarters briefly before I came back to the East coast and got to test the car. And what I noticed is they had a bunch of their competitors just like lined up in the front door of their headquarters. Yeah.

they had a Tesla Model S a Mercedes EQS and Porsche Taycan and they had them for three different reasons So the Lucid compares favorably in a certain way to each one Yeah for the Tesla Model S same wheelbase same length more rear legroom. Okay, that's just because of how they've organized it smaller trunk I went over that in the video like that's a compromise they made and it works EQS

Much bigger. So the Lucid is smaller than the EQS to achieve the same legroom. And then Taycan obviously is different. It's a sport car, but more legroom in all dimensions in the Lucid, obviously. And that's their thing. So yeah, it is mainly focused on the interior, which I think they did a great job with.

I don't know how much you're willing to pay for a car that doesn't yet have access to Tesla superchargers. That might be a thing soon, maybe. Yeah, there's some weird news coming out about that too, with them offering their charging system up to other cars. Essentially the port. The port, which I'm also confused, is that going to be their way to...

give supercharging to other people because... One of the ways, yeah. It reminds me of like, it kind of feels like offering the lightning port to other phone manufacturers. And it's like, yeah, we've got MFI and you can, if you want, put a lightning port in your phone and it'll work with lightning accessories, which is like the kingdom that we've built. It's kind of the same thing with Tesla superchargers. But at this point, like you're getting really fast peak charging on these cars, but only if you can find...

an Electrify America charger that handles 350 kilowatts, that's working, that isn't occupied and not broken. But you have over 100 more miles of range on it. That's true. That's massive. So like that is really big. Yeah. You can go an entire, at least for me, for my commute, I could go an entire week back and forth commuting and not charge. That's crazy. I also was really hoping you would have like one of your Boston or like ultimate tournament trips where you wouldn't have had to charge...

You probably would have had to charge when you got there and then could have made it back. Boston, I could go there and back without charging. There and back without? Yeah. About 400 miles. I really wish you had the chance to do that because I'd be interested to see someone who has to plan a charging trip into everything not have to do that. And now learning that there's an 87,000 still very expensive car and generally chances you're getting that actual car under 100 by the time you factor everything in is probably pretty tough. But 100,000 at...

Over 400 is kind of awesome. That will be I think the main We keep thinking about like reasons you would get a certain EV or over another and like which ones are cross shopping So the person who would theoretically get the Lucid Air pure the $87,000 version of this car is probably cross shopping against things like a Model S or Maybe an EQS is more expensive. But like this is half the price of the hundred sixty thousand dollar car We tested

And I'm like, the range has got to be the number one reason you go with this car. I've noticed also that the accuracy of the range that it predicts that you will get is pretty close, much better than Tesla, not as good as Rivian. Rivian's is incredible. In Tesla, you can line up at the zero and have a target 200 miles away, and it'll say you have 250 miles of battery, and you might not make it. Exactly.

Because if you drive a certain way, you can use way more power than it's rated to do during that normal driving trip. That's something I found really interesting testing all these and asking you guys who have Teslas is it seems to be a lot of you guys think Tesla has one of the worst range estimators inside of their car. Yeah, I would say it's the most variable.

So which is not a good thing right like I know that if I drive a certain way I can and will get great range if I drive like without accelerating hard in chill mode And I don't like go up and down too many massive hills whatever like a normal drive I will get my range, but if I do one pull which is like I it's a nice fast car I want to do one highway pull you can lose ten miles of range in ten seconds and

In less than a mile of driving. Yeah. So like that type of peak power is what you pay for to get that amazing performance. But now you have 10 miles less of range and just any little thing you do might eat into your range. So I think the Rivian, for example, is a lot more conservative where it's just like you'll get 300 miles of range kind of no matter how hard you drive. And if you drive conservatively, you might get more.

I think that's awesome. I think all the legacy manufacturers are going to be on that conservative thing. I think so. I think that's the way. Yeah. So anyway, watch the Lucid Air review if you haven't already. There's a main channel video. It's awesome. I will say the first 10 seconds are literally incredible. I'm kind of biased, but you should watch it. There's also an autofocus channel video. We'll link them in the show notes. They're both great. And I'll include that clip where you guys can hear the guy like, that's a nice car.

Anyway, we'll take a quick break. We got to talk about the Pixel phone when we come back. But first, let's hear our first trivia question. All right. Trivia time. So Tesla Powerwalls, electric lucid air. We've been talking a lot about electricity. So here's an electric question. How many watts of electric power can an electric eel produce? I feel like I said electric a lot there. How many watts? We do a lot. How many watts of electric power? Like 10.

Like max, like peak. Yeah, peak. Jesus. Yeah. That's creepy. Also, side note, have you guys seen that TikTok guy who has a basement full of eels? Yes. It's so cool. Yo, can we talk about eel basement guy? Yeah. That guy, dude, that account is so, and like the creepy dungeon door he like climbs down. Oh my God. We'll link it in the show notes. We'll put a clip up on the channel. He has a basement that's just like flooded and has a ladder into it. That's terrible. Wow. And has a bunch of eels. It's really cool. He's in danger.

Yeah. Okay. That's going to be a news report in like a year of like dead guy found in basement being chewed apart by God forbid. Yeah. Hopefully not. All right. Well, we'll think about that eel for a little bit. Be right back. Do you feel like your leads never lead anywhere and you're making content that no one sees and it takes forever to build a campaign? Well, that's why we built HubSpot.

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- All right, welcome back. Let's talk about this pixel fold, or this rumored pixel fold, anyway. - Yeah. - Okay, so this is coming from a render thanks to Front Page Tech. They've corroborated a bunch, typically what happens with these renders is somebody gets a leak, and you can't just publish exactly what you got, otherwise you're sort of outing the person who gave you the information. So you take that information, you give it to a talented graphic designer, they mock up something that looks like what was told to you, you publish that, it's a leak that looks like the real thing.

That's what we got.

sort of a pseudo design of a foldable pixel phone yeah and i want to preface this by saying like these are obviously still rumors and we don't always talk about rumors but let's be real this is google and i wouldn't be surprised if this shoot showed up at someone's house when they were pixel 7 randomly that's the thing the google train is like when things leak they just they pour yeah like they they niagara falls like fully oh is your flashlight on i think flashlight is on

I was about to, yeah, your flashlight's on. What happened to your Pixel over there? I was just going to say, I've been using the Pixel 7 Pro

as my daily phone since it came out, actually. No significant phones have come out since the Pixel 7 Pro to make me want to switch. I had been using the S21 Ultra for like a year and a half or something like that. I thought I was going to go back to it. Pixel 7 Pro has been rock solid and I'm very happy so far. That is awesome. Would you use a foldable Pixel? Do you even want a foldable Pixel? Because here's the thing. I'm just to paint the picture a little bit. Google phones...

Not known for their hardware quality, right? Foldable phones, really hard to do great hardware. So to buy a foldable Pixel over the other foldables, you'd be buying it to get the awesome camera and the Google software experience and the computational smarts, not the great hardware. Would that be a good phone? The thing is, I think I might even disagree a little bit on that because I do think

I think the Pixel 6 started having pretty solid hardware and then they kind of cleaned up that hardware in the Pixel 7. And I think it feels like a really solid, like solidly built phone. Fair. That actually is one of the things in this rumor is they said it's,

heavy and really like built solidly but i do think one of the other things in this rumor again like judging by the looks of it and we've heard this months ago that people said the form factor is going to be closer like an oppo find n which is different than all the other folding phones we're having so that might even be one of if you prefer that shorter and wider in stature a little more type of foldable that might be why you come to this yeah like a passport type size yeah yeah

I think that would be cool. Look, I like the Google software experience. So if they can put together a good enough hardware experience, I think that would be nice. I'm looking at this room right now. It looks like it's got three cameras on it. So it might have the same set of cameras as the pro phone, which would be great. Real quick on that before we move on. So since they can't do the camera bump into the edges because it's folding now and one of the edges has to be a hinge, they kind of did this...

rounded edge, protruded camera bump looks about as thick, maybe even a little thicker than what the camera bump on the 7 is. It's a dynamic island. I like it. I feel like, do you know, Xiaomi started doing these like really thick camera bumps. Squares. But not, yeah, squares. Yeah, this looks like that, but as a like rectangle, almost an oval with the rounded edges. I don't know.

- Dig it. - It's also in a gray in this render. I don't know if that's gonna match, but it looks just like the dynamic island on the phone, just like blown out. - Oh yeah, yeah, the cutouts. - 'Cause it's got the bubble popped off from the bigger cutout. Cutout camera on the front screen and then a large screen

somewhat slim bezels on the inside screen i would argue probably thickest bezels out of all the foldables unless you're counting the surface duo which we all know is yeah right which is not even a folding screen yeah it does it does also seem like on the inside that

The bezels on the top are larger because that's where the camera and sensors are. That makes sense. That's the Google way, though. Don't go too crazy with the hardware. Just give us standard, fine hardware, and then just top off the speakers up there. I think it looks good. It makes the screen look more cohesive. Yeah. So then it's like, would you want a foldable pixel over a regular pixel?

Because then you have to worry about the software experience and like how you split up and multitask. And do you use the outside screen for some things inside for others? I really like a lot of the foldable like experiences. Like I like using the Galaxy Folds a lot. The one interesting part of the form factor is with the Galaxy Fold,

you can get used to it after a while but the outside screen is very narrow and so you don't feel like you're getting the full smartphone experience on the outside i mean you can type but the keyboard's kind of small yeah uh the oppo find n felt like a normally usable smartphone it was just a thick smartphone because it was folded

So I don't think this one's going to be particularly thin. That's fine. They're not going to do anything stunning like Xiaomi or Huawei or anything like that. It's just going to be a normal standard folding phone. Don't think too hard about it, but you do get twice as much phone. Like what you said, though, in terms of the exterior screen, I think I would prefer that than the like really long candy bar shape of the like more smushed down regular phone. So like same while I don't love smoldering.

Well, I don't love folding phones right now. And that's just a preference thing. Like, I don't know, maybe the smaller size. I think both of us agreed that when the Find N came out, we held it and we're like, oh, I really dig this shape. Like this design layout feels a little more comfortable. And yes, it is thick. I would not doubt if the like...

The actual size of this thing is exactly the same as the Oppo Find M. It's going to be very similar. I bet it'll be super similar. The biggest downside is just going to be the thickness. Exactly. Basically. Yeah, I can see it. I'm interested. I'm definitely interested. I don't think this is going to be coming anytime soon. I think maybe next year is the earliest we can see this. The front page text says May. Okay. That's not that far away. That is not that far away. That's half a year away.

That would be really interesting. That's right before I.O., which is usually summer. Before I.O., you know what? I'm excited for it. Usually, I mean, May is weird because I would expect I.O. to be like, all right, here's all our new interesting folding phone software, and then you get the phone, or you get the phone at the same time. You think that, but I think...

People also think this might come out around the same time as the tablet, which would make sense to be before I.O. because they already announced the tablet at I.O. So maybe this just becomes some sort of an event, which also more earlier tech events. I'm totally down for sometimes you're tired of waiting for just three months of absolute cramming every single thing in and I was going crazy. Yeah. So like, let's get some more stuff in the middle of the year. I am excited for it.

I would be willing to try it. Here's why I wouldn't buy it because the approximate price rumor is $1,800. Ah, classic. Classic folding phone. Folding phones are expensive. Yeah. Totally understand that. First gen, $1,800. Everyone else has done it so like I don't blame them and I get why they're doing it but...

That's a doozy. It is interesting that we're seeing more and more folding phones. The one other thing that I was going to mention is the fingerprint reader sensor is rumored to be in the power button, which would match some of the other folding phones we've seen, like the Samsung Galaxy Fold, for example. Yeah.

So not like under the display or behind the phone or anything like that. But yeah, we've seen a bunch more folding phones of various form factors and various interesting things about them, whether it's the thinness or the cameras or the screen ratios or whatever they are. So I'm interested. I think $800 would be right in line with all the other stuff we've seen. Yeah, exactly. Which I still think is a hard selling point. Really quick back on the fingerprint sensor thing. I like made a note in here because I,

The power button fingerprint sensor makes the most sense, right? Because then you can unlock it from folded or unfolded, whereas an in-display fingerprint sensor on the front is tough because then you would also have to have it on the inside. We have not had any phones with that yet, right? An interior one? Nope. The problem is the renders of this, the power button looks extruded quite a bit like a regular power button, and every fingerprint sensor power button we've ever seen is generally indented. Yeah. So...

Some of these renders, now that could be a few things. It could be the renders are just a little off. Bad render or something? It could be. I mean, I kind of wonder. We got face unlock on Pixel 6 and 7. Face unlock would also make sense through the selfie camera on the front and the inside. I don't know. I don't think people trust face unlock on some of these. I've been enjoying face unlock on mine. I wanted it for face unlock. I've been enjoying it.

Don't know but for some reason this power button in the render doesn't scream fingerprint sensor to me It just doesn't look like the right type of button for it interesting. We shall see I mean, I think Google is willing to try weird stuff clearly also it could be wrong, but the folding Samsung phones the Camera on the inside. Is it worse than the one on the outside? Yeah, the you're talking about the under display selfie camera. Yeah. Oh, yeah awful and

Just awful. But it's there in case you want to take a selfie. Now, with this one, there are some bezels, and I don't know what's in those bezels. In the rumor report, the camera's in the bezel. Camera's up in the top, right? That seems to make sense. They could potentially have the same camera on the outside and inside, like one good enough for face-on-lens. I want to say, if I remember from FrontPageTech's article, that the only spec they have is 9.5 megapixel

on the front and on the inside for selfie. Okay. So maybe matching. That feels obviously like a much harder thing to confirm. Like designs usually come out first, total specs. And if they don't list any other specs, I wonder about it. But like it seems in line with, doesn't seem unreasonable. Would you rather have

thin bezels with a crappy front-facing camera under screen, or would you rather have these slightly bigger bezels with a camera that's much more usable? At this point in technology, I would rather have the thicker bezels. I think in a couple years, my answer would change. You're both wrong. No, I agree. I don't want to have... You've seen the...

Just terrible quality of those cameras? Yeah, but I wouldn't use the selfie camera then. That's true. I never use it. I never really use it. I do think I use it because it's so bad. But if you really need to take a picture, just turn the phone around. Like, it's annoying. Yeah. I mean, there is like, if you Zoom or FaceTime or something, well, not FaceTime, obviously, but if you Zoom or video chat on some other program, like...

Yeah, maybe the quality doesn't need to be great, but I think I'm going to rather... Even with a 1080p webcam, the internet still makes me look terrible over Zoom calls. Yeah, well, this makes you look terrible and makes you look like you're underwater. Rubbing Vaseline on your screen. Yeah, it is...

- No, I guess I'm the pixel peeper, so I'd be a little biased, but maybe I'm outside of the norm there. I would prefer the better quality. - I think I'm with you. I don't think you get enough screen real estate, especially now that it's a folding phone and you have so much screen real estate. I don't think you're losing or gaining enough of it to sacrifice quality. - Yeah, and you're only getting vertical pixels, which is just more blank pixels that are watching videos or doing anything. So I'm fine with this. - Yeah, so we both agree Adam's wrong. - Yeah, I think we're on the same page. Perfect. - I'm okay with that. - Cool. No, I like it. I'm looking forward to it. Let's say it is May.

I will be keeping my eye out for all of the subsequent leaks that are definitely going to happen. Yeah. Because that's what happens with Google. Do you think Samsung's happy about this or upset about this? I think Samsung is in this funny position where whoever else makes a foldable, they can just claim that it's because Samsung started it. And as long as none of them outsell Samsung's foldables, they'll feel pretty good about it. So there's no threat with the Pixel is what you're saying?

Minimal for it because Pixels don't sell nearly as much as Samsung. They're playing, Google's playing catch up. Samsung's ahead already. Like they don't have to worry for a little bit. I mean, yeah.

it's also how much is the fold for this still cost less than 1800 bucks now no it's about the same it's about the same so it's going to be like which one would you rather buy the samsung one that's in the carrier store already or the pixel that's brand new 1800 bucks and you've never seen before probably still gonna buy the samsung one we'll see if um if you test it out and then decide not to use it i will volunteer as tribute to try and live a full life with it we'll see we'll see all right well may 2023 next year's

Maybe more interesting in the non-Tectember season. Maybe. That's not what we're hearing. I think it probably will be. Maybe. Is that coming in May? May. Nice. It may be in May. Oh, my God. All right. Let's do trivia. Yeah, let's stop. All right. So, I don't know why. I'm always, like, smacking my lips every question. I remove it every week. Now there's a camera on me, so...

Anyway, that aside, we've had a lot of fun with it in the office. DALI 2. But where does DALI get its name from? I mean, it's an acronym. I know. Oh, let's just go. Never mind. Is it an acronym? Is it a backronym? Is it neither? Does it just exist? Is it the name of an old Danish king? I'm going to go with yes. I will think about that. I know we've talked about it before. Not on the...

We have talked about it before when we were first discovering Dolly. I don't fully remember it, but I know. OK, good. Me neither. OK, fine. All right. We'll be right back. It's January 6th and Congress met today at 1 p.m. to certify Donald Trump as the winner of the 2024 election.

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All right, we're back. I just want to point out the clippy ugly Christmas sweater that Microsoft dropped this year is the best, ugliest Christmas sweater that I've ever seen. Oh man. If you specifically want an ugly Christmas sweater, this is the one.

There might be a much better looking. There might be a cooler one. There might be a much cooler looking Christmas sweater if you're into looking cool. But if you want to look terrible, this is the one. Thank you, Microsoft. I love Microsoft. Happy holidays from Clippy. Man, I kind of, isn't Clippy kind of, we've probably said this before, the original Assistant.

Virtual assistant. If we're comparing voice assistants, though, like Google Assistant, it's supposed to recognize the context of what you're doing in your daily life and present information that might be helpful to you. Like, oh, you're about to walk outside. Let's tell you what the weather is. Oh, you're about to drive to work. Let me tell you what the traffic is on the way there. Oh, you've got a flight later today. Let me tell you how early to get to the airport. Clippy is like, are you writing a letter? Here's how you do that. And

That's that's a virtual assistant Clippy walked so everyone else could exactly exactly did Clippy predate Bonzi buddy was that I don't even know what that now now I'm lost I have not heard it should have been a trivia Bonzi buddy was like a Clippy It's very similar It's like a purple gorilla and it would do things like contact management and my calendar management and it came out that it was spyware

Oh, wow. And just, yeah, stealing unbelievable amounts of your data. I don't know what would have been done with that data in the late 90s. Yeah, that's a good question. This looks vaguely familiar. It has like a really silly sounding voice. I don't know if we can pull up. The release, interesting. I'm checking the Wikipedia right now. Bonzi Buddy was first stable in 2005, where Clippy shipped in Office 2000. But Bonzi Buddy's initial release was 1999.

So, I guess you can give the timeline edge to Bonzi Buddy. Am I even saying that right? I guess so. Bonzi Buddy. But I'd never heard of that. Too bad it was spyware. That's a bummer. Clippy was pretty universally... Clippy was universally loved, I would say. Clippy. Fine. That's what he sounds like. Whoa, he's just young. Oh, that's like an evil movie computer voice.

It's not great. That sounds like a horror movie. When you're finished, simply click the continue button below. I will automatically re-register you. It sounds like if a kid was sleeping and their CRT monitor in their bedroom turned on and started flashing, that's the noise that would be coming out of it. The voice that would come out of it. Strange. Yeah, you can hear it like stitching together syllables. You can hear the syllables happening. Amazing. But yeah, Clippy Sweater, top notch. I love it.

There might be another cool sweater coming out later this year. We might have some inside info in it. I think we can count on it. Yeah, for sure. I'm technically not leaking anything. I'm just saying I think that's going to happen. I think there might be a cool one coming out. But last subject I have to wrap up this episode. I've had a lot of people asking me if I'm still using the Pixel Watch. I just thought I would do a little update. I'm not. But I'm on the Galaxy Watch 5 now, baby. Whoa, what happened? Okay, so explain why no more Pixel Watch. Okay.

It's hard to explain because while the Pixel Watch did not get great reviews and I think they were all warranted, like I don't think anyone said about the Pixel Watch was like not true. I actually wound up enjoying the experience a bit. I did like how it looked actually. It grew on me quite a bit. Same. I think it is proof that the Apple Watch would look better circular, not square, because it kind of just felt like a circle Apple Watch. It's just like...

I didn't get that sense of enjoyment out of it anymore. I found myself waking up in the morning, going to work and looking at my resume and being like, oh, I don't have my watch on. I just like didn't even think of putting it on this morning. And maybe that was just like,

The tracking, the automatic tracking, turning it on and off, I didn't love that much. So I stopped kind of using it for my activity tracking, which is something I really enjoy on a Pixel watch. So it almost was just a regular watch to me. It was digital that I had to charge every single night. You don't miss looking down at your wrist and knowing your heart rate every single second of the day. That was pretty sick. Yeah, I don't know. It just like, it didn't quite have, it didn't feel worth putting it on every morning, which sounds so mean because I like,

Did enjoy it when I had it, and I did constantly look at it and be like, I think this is a really nice-looking watch. Battery makes such a big difference in that. Where you have to, like, think about how annoying you're going to be that you're going to have to charge it over and over again. Yes, and the funny thing is, is...

The Galaxy Watch 5 that I'm wearing right now is minusculely better in terms of battery life. But I just think I like the overall package much more. One thing I have learned from the Pixel Watch is I enjoy the smaller form factor. So we have very different watches on right now. You have an Apple Watch Ultra. I'm using the 40 mil...

Galaxy Watch 5. So I went with the smaller version because I liked the Pixel Watch and I'm really, really liking that decision. So I can't directly compare battery life to the Watch 4 I was using because that was the bigger one, which I assume potentially might have a little better battery life. But I'm ending the day around 30%, which is

If you want to sleep track, that might not be enough, honestly. Right. You have to charge it again before going to sleep. Yes, but I do not do that. So I don't care that much. I enjoy the fitness tracking aspects of it much better. I think it's a little clearer when you're looking at it. I think a lot of the things inside some of the activities just track a little better and give me better information. So I enjoy that. And the flat top, the domed top on the Pixel Watch

Got a couple scratches on it from climbing and I knew like there's a certain movement sometimes where you're climbing where your watch hits the wall Oh, that's do and that thing will be destroyed just like the Apple watch I had yeah the Galaxy watch for I had got crushed climbing I were for six months and never got a scratch on the screen somehow I got someone like the metal on the outside But now this one's the silver outside so you won't see that because it won't chip paint on right and it

I think the screen seems to be one of the more durable ones I've found. So far, so good. Yeah, I like it a lot so far. I've only been using it for like a week, but everything seems to be just minusculely better than the 5, even though I'm using the smaller one. And also, Galaxy Watch faces are so good. I love this watch face. I was just going to ask. It's so good. Do you have to like download a different app to do that? Nope, it's in the Galaxy Watch app.

It matches your jacket conveniently right now. It's really nice. This one has so much information without being a total cluttered mess. What's your heart rate real quick? 73. I didn't even get to check mine. Are you nervous? Yours isn't on. I think I have a high heart rate because the minute I stopped playing Ultimate, I turned into a Valorant player instead, and they don't have high heart rates for a good heart rate. 46. You're at 46? Four minutes ago when it measured me last. Oh, okay.

I can do it again. See, I don't like that watch face. Some of the Apple watch faces feel super cluttered. It does. I like it better when it's mono colored, actually. And I have this like crazy gradient of colors mainly because I can like tell at a glance without actually reading the numbers what's happening. Like I can see the temperature is cold because it's blue without me going, oh, it's 43. I can see my battery is good because it's green instead of knowing 67. And if it's red, it'll be.

I think we're showing the exact same stuff. So you've got... I've got battery. Yep. Temperature. Yep. My activity tracking.

The date, the time, and the UV. Are you running an activity right now or is that just like a quick launch? That's a shortcut to launch a workout and a shortcut to measure my heart rate. I don't have that. We both have UV. We both have heart rate. We both have battery. We both have steps on the front. Yep. Okay. And then, yeah, I have current weather including the weather for the next two hours and then date. You just have temperature or all more? Temperature and then I have like sunny, cloudy, whatever on top. Well, that's UV. Yeah.

Pretty close. I think mine looks better. I agree. I do not like the way the watch face looks, and I think about others to change it to all the time, and then I inevitably change it to one that looks a little bit worse. Yeah. And then I go back to it. That's my other thing is I wish I just liked... I like digital watches or digital time for some reason because it feels so much quicker, and I felt that the digital watch faces on the Galaxy Watch... If I could get rid of the analog clock...

I would. I never use the hands. Yeah. Ever. That's what everybody listening at home is trying to find that dud button right now. If you asked me what time it was and you gave me the hands, it would take me 10 seconds. If I asked you what time it was, would you pull your phone out right now? It would be faster for me to pull my phone out than to look at the hands and be like, okay, let's see. So that's 12. So that's 11. So that's like a half. So 11. That's half the fun. I hate to get to remind yourself all the time that you can still tell time. That's like writing in cursive.

I hate to admit how much I agree. And I know my wife's currently probably teaching time at school right now to kids. And I'm sitting here like, I don't want to know.

So kids are still learning to read with the hands, right? Yeah. Okay. So like everyone who has a digital clock everywhere surrounding them in life is learning to read with hands. And then one day they'll see like a grandfather clock. They're also still told that you won't have a calculator in your pocket all the time. I can't believe they still tell people this. You do have a calculator everywhere you go. You literally just yell Google Assistant and it'll just tell you the answer. Anyway, where was I? Oh, yeah. So you like the watch now? Yeah. I mean, I think we kind of got to the end of it. I really dig it. I would like though.

Anyone on Twitter, hit me up. I want watch band recommendations because the default one's fine, but the Apple Trail Loop is the greatest thing in existence that I want one so bad for just a different watch. Okay, I like the Trail Loop. The one thing I will say is this little orange tab. As soon as you sweat, it's decoloring. It's getting like this weird... Katina. Maybe. I guess it's fine. Wait, can you do that Velcro ASMR? Yeah, ASMR.

That was crisp. I didn't expect it to be that good. But yeah. That was actually really good. That was nice. That's a good, that's a quality mic right there. But yes, I do wear the Trail Loop kind of every day now, but I don't wear it for Ultimate because I put the sports strap back on because it just snuck in. Really? Yeah. Yeah. This thing...

Just a little. It gets like kind of soggy and weird when it's wet. I don't like that. Soggy watch band. Yeah, I don't like the soggy trail band. It makes it feel like I'm doing something. Yes. It reminds me I'm actually sweating. Not to get super gross, but does it like smell after you shower? Like after it gets wet. Do you shower with your watch on? Yeah. Oh, I don't shower with the band or with the watch at all. Oh, you just take it off. I just take it off. So that's when I charge my watch. Hmm.

I guess you don't really charge your watch very much. Not my real watch, but the Apple Watch I used to charge. And you wore it in the shower? Yeah. Did you check your heart rate in there? No. No, I always, that's the, so I sleep track with it. So anytime I'm about to go to sleep and I take a shower, that's when I get like plus 20% batteries when I'm showering and then wake up and then charge it a little bit in the morning. So my watch, so the Ultra basically like hovers between 30 and 70% all the time.

Interesting. How do you live like that? If I get to charge it every day, it's like always between 30 and 70. If I ever forget to charge it for a day, I'll get it down to like 10%. I will say... That's like two full days. I do like the Apple Watch Ultra. Yeah. I actually think it works way better as a square in this form factor. It looks...

100 times better. Yeah, it would look crazy as a huge circle, wouldn't it? Yeah, I don't know. There's something really like industrial and neat I think this is. I don't think the regular glass domed Apple Watch that's square has that same feeling. I just think that kind of sucks. Fair. Maybe we'll see a redesign at some point. Well, that's kind of it. The videos on the channel this week I think are really good. I believe the iPad M1

M2 Pro review will be up by the time you see this, in which I also speculate that we'll probably... We'll be...

seeing some sort of adjustments to the iPad design at some point. I think we get some display improvement. I think we get some functional improvement, whether it's better speakers or maybe they try to do MagSafe or maybe it's something else. But I just did not sound excited about that. But I do know this M2 iPad Pro is basically the same as the M1 iPad Pro. So no need to worry if you already have one of the last two years of iPad Pros.

So check out that review. I think it's a fun one too. Check out the Lucid review. And I think that's it. We should probably get to answering the trivia questions finally. - Trivia time. Get your whiteboards. All right. All good? Got it? - Got it. - Going with question number one. Tesla Powerwall's electric Lucid Air, all electric things. How many watts of electric power can an electric eel produce?

this is hard i have so much context i know exactly how much wattage is required of many household things well we were looking it up because when we did the eco flow it had a list of how much it was and some of them are really funny because heating elements are vastly like your hair dryer was like 100 watts and a refrigerator was like 35 or something which is crazy

No, it's like 1,000 watts for a heater. 1,000? Yeah, like a PC is like you have a 1,000-watt power supply. That's the peak power that can go through it, like 1,000 watts.

A microwave might be 1,000 watts, right? I'm going to just double check this to make sure. But like so many of the cars we drive, for example, will tell us exactly how many kilowatts of energy it takes. I have no idea how much an eel can make. Oh, you're right. A hair dryer is 800 to 1,800 watts. Yeah, so like over 1,000 watts. But like an eel, it's a total mystery. It must be enough to damage a...

Enemy fish. That's all I know. So I'm going to guess a ridiculous. Oh, well, I'm just going to write what I was going to write. No. Wait. I hope I'm close. No, I'm going to stick with this. Okay. I think we might be. I'm going low. Oh, perfect. Oh, my God. Very different. 50 watts. We might be very far from the answer. Good luck figuring out who's closest. I wrote 10,000 watts. I wrote 50. Jesus Christ.

There it is. I knew it was coming. That's awesome. For those of you listening to audio, Ellis has turned our lights in the back into... Did they both blink red? Oh, that's awesome. They blink red. I hope they blink green if we get it right. So what's the answer? What's the closest? The answer is 600 watts, meaning Mark has...

No. No, I'm far, far from that. I'm 50. He's 10,000. I thought you wrote 1,000 watts. I wrote 10,000 watts. Okay. 600. So a hairdryer would win in a battle versus an electric eel is what I'm hearing. No, they'd just both die. Okay.

I think so Marquez has 15 now Andrew still has 12 and David has 9 which still has 12 I should have zero points I should get an extra point yeah oh yeah okay sorry we messed that up entirely yeah you did mess that up Andrew has 13 Marquez has 14 there we go producers have negative one also if there's any zoologists listening right now um

Can electric eels survive 600 watts? Like in the eventual hairdryer versus electric eel challenge. Yeah, I think they have to. Like, right. But do they? I don't know. They've got, they're like, they're built different. There's the scientific explanation of that. They have to, yeah. I guess so. Please don't throw a hairdryer in an eel tank. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah.

Google says that they reduce the danger to themselves by flexing their bodies in a shape that prevents the electric current from passing through their hearts. Oh, that's smart. Dang. Dang, that's smart. They're still getting shocked, but just protecting the important parts. Yeah. Huh. All right, question number two. Where does DAL-E get its name? Okay, I think this is an acronym, but I don't know what it stands for. I just... I know like half of it, I think. Okay.

D-A-L-L-E. Two. D-A-L-L-E. Yeah, two. Dolly Two. I can't wait to see what Marques is writing. Okay, I got it. I have an answer. Ready? It's wrong. Ready? Read it out, please. Okay, so mine is, I believe it's the mix of the name Dolly, like the artist, and then I put Wally, like the robot. Let's go. Wow. Marques, what was your acronym? I thought it was an acronym.

So I made one up. I wrote diffusion and lenticular lens extension. I appreciate that. Maybe it'll turn into a backer name. They'll see this episode and they'll be like, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I don't think it does, but it could. Why not? Dolly. High game, baby. The artist. Who is Dolly? Salador Dolly. Very famous. Apparently. Well, that's zero points for me this week.

Oh, Mac to zero points for me this week. Really disappointed in myself. Well, that's fine. I still get to pet Mac. Uh, that's been it for this week. Appreciate you watching and listening. And of course we're checking out the links in the description as we always put, um, don't make fun of me too much for missing both of the trivia questions this week. Uh, and, uh, we'll see you guys eventually in the next one.

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