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How would you see that update in no md sky?

You you should talk about more.

The planets are more real. It's called world planets one. Eight years after I released, this is the planets one.

My favorite, like I said, my space game oh, just never got released period.

so.

What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the way for the podcast where your host and our kiss i'm ander and i'm and this week, a bunch at the mixer stuff is I was every stuff, every way. There is no theme is just a mix um put us all new.

We've got A I stuff. We ve got new a leaks of devices, we've got new cameras. But we also have won like headlining major yes, of news kind of elephant in the room.

I feel like we like to put the really big thing in the middle .

of the pocket Normally, but this is just too big. Not mean an I want to get two bog down with IT, but is is one of those. This is the news that you kind of can't get to without.

I mean, if you don't talk about the people like why aren't talking about IT? So we will address IT home part. Many was updated and it's midnight now instead of black.

yeah. This is that's a whole. That's the whole thing. Yeah, it's so have you seen the sign by sides?

Actually I am not. I not.

It's like the i'm the office mean it's the same photo.

It's like are we sure that they they didn't actually change the color and just change the name, I think is a test. All I know is that the materials are now one hundred percent recycle instead of ninety ninety percent.

yeah. Was ninety thousand .

hundred one hundred. But did the color actually change? IT .

didn't look look like .

IT to me.

but I did not look that hard at IT.

This is the most i've spent even thinking about, and I was an origin of blue.

I'm still a hom pod mini stand. Just say, no.

the midnight could actually be a different .

color because we had a conversation yeah yeah .

IT might be kind of different because the midnight color itself as one of does look super different, different lights and maybe just those photos. But like if there are space grain midnight, they're probably almost exact .

same thing yeah call okay yeah we ve got we got to that that you um yeah there's a whole bunch of pixel leagues though we should jump in again again.

There's every year.

Every year, the pixel is the most leaked phone of all time. I ve got to have some kind of record for this. And now we are getting, I guess, seemingly more confirmation that there are a bunch of pixel and there are pixel ines.

So there's pixel nine, pixel nine X, L, and then like a pixel line pro, pro and then a fold two, fold pro, fold two, even though the first folded, now they were pro in the name. There's a pixel fold, a pixel 4， pixel pro fold too. Well.

it's not called to just pixel nine pro four.

Oh, I pixel hard to it's .

considered part of the pixel on nine portfolio.

It's doing the .

thing and profit.

It's doing the thing i've been asking them to do with the a series three years also, I think we need one of those y boards that says podcast since last pixel league and that we just rest every weekend.

says zero every time yeah ah what do you think of them? Are you interested the pixel?

Well, the fall is the big league that we got this week that like kind of official photos of we talked he was last week, we talked a little bit about the different sizes of the nine, nine pro, nine pro X, L. But this week is the nine pro fold and .

IT .

looks terrible.

I why else don't hate IT? You don't hope you .

guys are crazy.

Don't hate that. I have that. I have a question that okay, last time we talked about this, you said you didn't like the visor on the nine weeks. You thought that looks bad, but you think this looks good?

No, I don't think that looks good. okay. So the the reason that I dislike the visor on the nine leaks is because IT feels less of a commitment to advisor. Advisor before was like all the way to the sides oh, and I was like, yeah and with the side rails. And so that made IT feel very committed and decisive and obviously a pixel. And when you separate from the rails and just feels like an island now and IT feels like the president is set, that this visor thing is not that important to the pixel. And so now this is the least visor like this is.

yes, I think the other one still has the same viably like it's still very every pixel and I like is just the mother, the modernized, the version of IT, which is funny because it's only devisers like .

two or three years fell cybrids. Ed.

in a way, it's updated. It's like in this new squared .

off design all around.

including no, now, now let's go the OK someone please explain this car.

Bop h, just a, just A. I.

I want to hear this.

The s this, this is coming for someone who's owned an iphone since they were fifteen, two years old. So, you know, take you with the greatest ult. But to me, the fix was gone through many iterations, right? We had the original pixel with no no definitive bombs. Then we were in the George the forage robo cop era advisor pixel that we achieved bump pixel after that, you know not going to the .

edge visors have only been since the six.

I know i'm i'm fast forwarding through the history here. Give, give me a sec. O to me that sense.

The visor, you know, they took IT off the edges that became more design able. bump. We ve got back and forth to me. The definitive pixel characteristic as a non pixel user is the bean.

but the bean.

what's whatever if it's a bump, it's advisor, no matter what that the camera is in A B and .

the fact .

that the the nine fold render leak, whatever two beans .

to b are you talking?

I have a subsea inside of the Megan.

no, no, no. There is no megabase. There is just the in the bean can exist in advisor, in a, in whatever.

Well, there was. But like what he says, the pixel a and the pixel pro, the me was longer. He did yeah, yeah.

sort of a cut out in the visor. And the visor went from one look to another or six.

The shares .

of .

the pixel .

is time to recognize the bean.

If pixel six didn't never been I.

well, pixel, pixel.

that was like start of the, they added.

because I want .

from glass to metal, a was, a was the best .

so far for sure.

I like IT .

feels the most definitively is being up OK. Let's all just like the an agreement there. So I just want special edition out there.

So in the fall, they were like, recognize the bean. Lean into the bean. This is the bean phone.

If for some reason, as an audio listener who doesn't understand, saying inside visor from the seven to now the cut out of the meddle advisor for the glass of the cameras is an oval.

some may describe IT .

as a pill shape as well.

I mean, being usually has a beans .

come on all and sizes. Who's to say this is an digital being.

including poor shape beans?

I think most people say pill, but i'm down for the bean. It's more fun. Where are we? I don't know. And .

someone just .

so let's talk about this.

Let's go. Well, the camera bump for the pixel fold.

the new the pixel nine fold.

the profile is a rect, a curved .

rectangle .

with two oval slash beans inside of IT left aligned a score yeah, with all because it's a rectangle, though it's not square.

Well, squares are rectangles.

Give IT a rectangle.

not a square right is .

continue so IT has like two lenses .

in each IT looks like that we'll get that back what exactly IT is and then I just has this like right aligned flash and microphone that is just in no mans land. There's so much extra space over .

there for this one my heart take they would have just put the same camera ray as the pixel nine pro and pixel line pro XL, except the fold is probably slightly more narrow and currently the design of the pixel ine pro, pixel ine pro excell shows the camera bump visor take up pretty much the entire back of the phone.

And I would bet you that it's like two millimeters more narrow and they're like we can't fit IT, so we just have to vertically stack them. At first I thought they might have done IT for like the what is what is spatial video capture, but they are using the telephoto and the wide. And I don't really .

on yeah because the .

whole thing like the whole reason the iphone switched back to having the cameras on top of each other now like directly up each ever. So when you turn IT sideways to capture spatial video, their horizontally aligned on the same axis so they can do parallax, this you theoretically ally, I guess, still could do. But usually you do that with a wide camera in the main camera, not the telephoto camera in the main camera because now there horizontally separated yeah anyway, um IT looks bad, I think is my take Alice is trying to hit the buzz button for no.

but he can go .

you said, you said you didn't .

hate IT yeah I don't think is that bad. I think it's really I think the easy look, we get leaks all the time. And I think our strongest reaction to leaks is always on the design because it's not on we don't know expects, we don't know any features.

We just see the design, and that's all we can react to. And so whatever is different about the versus the old thing, we will react strongly negatively because we always do. And then two months and will be like IT looks like every other camera bomb.

Remember when we first got to like triple cameras on the iphone? Everyone that looks like a stove top, that's a, what are they doing as a bum? And I .

into the last iphone, where in the triple camera of the, what you're talking about was at least like cei symmetrical this one. Now with the leg, the microphone and whatever that extra sensor is, IT felt a little more all over the place. This feels just like, so not even remote this semester or line ups.

Two rose.

but the but is the mack phone has like the mack phone that has just like the same amount of space as the large sector in IT. And there's .

also just a bunch of this.

A it's all the dads space on the right.

Don't yeah weird. Every kind of bum sucks.

I don't know to take .

on the table. Yeah many of them. Yeah I just I know that when we fight with a pixel fold first god announced that was like, uh, but now I think that looks really good. The original .

pick up hold besides the t they also change the dimensions of this. What i'm interest about IT seems very entire like.

yes, yes. So what angers talking about is that the it's more of a one plus open format now IT almost looks exactly like that kind of style or whether the previous pixel fold was a lot more like the OPPO find end, which was like a passport style. Um and I really, really liked the short as factory show of the original pixel fold yeah um and that seems like that's gone forever because people don't like small phones apparently.

I'm curious to try yeah I definitely like the the the the first pixel all which I think I said in the video. IT is the easiest. It's the best following phone open.

Yeah, sorry, it's the best for the one use close because that aspect ratio of the screen was great and open. IT suffered a little bit because I was so good close that I was like more squat and I had small inside screen. So maybe this is them going sacrifice a little bit of the outside usability, make the inside the ability Better, which I think makes sense. If you making the falling phone, you should make sure the reason you're folding IT is still good. Yeah, just say that I think .

that looks Better. I think I knew I knew you're going to bring that up, but I think that looks Better.

There are bad camera bums out there is at least that takes up like the whole back of the phone.

You only because they put a screen. scary.

I'd rather .

screen .

I this, show me the .

eleven ultra. Thank you.

One of the largest camera bombs on the back. And there's also like a poke phone .

that text on. We forget the new view recovery, the nine cameras.

I also want to say, I recognize that what we are complaining .

about is extreme, but it's like as if the .

leaks are, the leaks are the leaks are basically here is what the new designs probably to look like. There are some leaks pointing to a large camera overhaul in general, which i'm curious about because I could mean new sensors, could mean the new software, could mean new capabilities. But again, we don't know if that's true.

Uh, we're all hoping that tensor gets Better. We're all hoping that there is more RAM and a brighter screen and faster refresh rate is now I fun stuff. And that's possibly also on the pipeline. But we don't get that from these leagues.

We just get to see the look of IT was IT true that the pigs, the original pixel fold, was one tensor behind the right. I think IT was he was tensor two eight. Yeah yeah I was like tensor one.

Or was IT tensor two or was, yeah was tensor two and the pixel eight got tensor three yeah. So it's nice that if they all come out the same time, hopefully they'll be on tens of four that even though apparently it's not searching to T S M C until ten or five. So it's very possible that these also suck.

Yeah one good thing though we do see from this is only inside. We now have just a top, right and corner whole punch cut for the camera versus that. Like, would you even call that a noch? He was like a corner hole cut out for the camera that took up a lot of real state. So this is yeah more screen real state on .

I like corner cameras. I'm fine with them.

Yeah, I don't use the inside camera in most foldable, the time at which I think this is why people argue that samsung underscore en one is not a terrible idea because it's a horrible camera, but it's like almost never use that one. And you maybe like propping IT up trying to do a zone call something like that yeah so I I think most offices will come from the outside screens, a whole punch camera.

But yeah but this is a proper cut out, which means that it's not like an under display camera. It's going to be super fuzzy under the control. So IT is also funny that samsung has never improved that that that's been around for like three, four years and they have literally never tried to make IT Better. Yeah going to talk about the review.

Yeah it's the same also think that is getting sorry still on the nine fold pro per losing profit, losing battery size despite being a larger phone and my right that .

that's google take my there's so much light .

in this real IT looks like i'm in in a haze.

Yeah it's a classic google decision. I don't if you remember um the pixel of four had been really, really terrible battery life because they reduced the battery life like fairly significantly from the pixel three. And then um obviously, most of the reviews were like the battery on this like does not last at all.

And then I think IT was, gosh, he was in charge a picks all that time. IT wasn't her oche. IT was dave burke debug? Don't know. Whoever was in charge basically came out was like, it's insane that you guys like, made this camera the battery this bad way. He went to the team and basically yelled that his team, he is like, why would you reduce the battery life?

I was like, this is your problem.

but you should have been in charge of this. Yeah, that might have been a great IT was like, reduce the battery capacity by five hundred hundred million years and like, and they batted the soli radar, which is new battery, complete one of the worst features. Anyway, yeah, that phone was amazing, except for .

the battery. Check out some pixel leaks. Let us know what you think. Maybe think there ugly, maybe think they're not so bad.

but we'll arn a lot more about this phone, I guarantee for ek.

So I agree with sure that after a couple of months, we will be just used to IT and we won. Think it's ugly anymore. A lot camra bombs that I have always thought, I mean, initially that we're separately .

and I like whatever a bit attrition around here to complain about camera bumps on phones that we weren't going to buy and then they come out and then that's IT and that's the end of the story is a little tradition.

Now i'll make sure to fun any you you happy in this is speaking .

of falling phones.

God.

uh, there's a feature on, uh, some of these new sampson phones where you can draw on an image and then you can turn that sketch that you drew onto the image into something real that's like a part of the image now and yeah, that looks real and I generated .

asset to go on top of your yes.

exactly. And it's fine. The thing is, what is a photo again? right? Like don't really. These are just things that are cool ideas that they've come up with, that they just throwing in and people are trying them out and turns out they work. And um there are a lot of things that you can draw and like make in your photos that kind of are are possible at the first Lance you'd d never look twice at .

d this like is that this one feels past that. What is a photo? Because IT feels so obviously not a photo. But I mean, some of them are decently realized.

There are some that .

are pretty that one with the cat that they posted on the verge looks really good for second, until you realized .

the cat is the size of a small, looks like really real cat, though IT does look like a photo.

Take the graphs. Evolution of three, exciting its size. Yes.

I took a picture of you guys earlier, and I drew a butterfly on your hand, which is where I think we would expect a butterfly to be. And honestly, the first gLance at what IT created is like, kind of possible, honest.

the fact that I put the butterflies legs in the middle of my hand .

and the additional shadow the composition on these is really realistic. It's mostly that the image self looks like a little bit cartoony and doesn't have the same like processing as like a camera processing. And that's how you can tell that it's not part of the image.

There is also a tiny AI generated content watermark at the bottom of the corner that if you aren't looking for, you might not .

still it's and like .

it's White text on a pretty busy background, kind of hard to but IT is a thing that you can play with and is kind of fun. It's what it's probably not a .

useful future of most people to get.

Yeah, Allison Johnson posted a bunch of these on the verge, and a lot of them are very funny. SHE do a cat in the middle street, and the cat is like massive, but looks very, very realistic. yeah.

SHE true. You really like our really, you know, rough rendition of a bumble bee on top of a flower. And IT made like a really realistic looking, be right. And they, he made IT out of focus, like that part of the image focus. And that looks really .

real yeah so I think it's the good enough at first gLance test this has is like I was scrolling on twitter, instagram and I saw that and I wasn't thinking about A I I wouldn't think twice, I wouldn't check and I would just believe IT move on with my day yeah and that's that's a pretty impressive threshold for these like images you draw with your finger on your phone, yes, but yeah, once you actually check, you can kind of immediately see the flaws yeah that's word. That's where IT lives right now.

right? I think that this is going to be a very weird period of time because these platforms are very bad at detecting what's actually AI versus just like slightly AI modified and y'll just tag everything as A I, even if it's not. So at this point in time, you kind of have to look for images, just like you have to look for air generated text.

If IT feels like IT was written by a high school ler, that it's probably I generated. If IT feels like it's like summarizing something and you're in your english three class, probably I generated same thing with this. If anything looks at off off at all, just pixel people little bit.

You will probably started to see something on the fingers.

You know what I cannot wait to use this for? So you know that one image where someone's like in an apartment complex and there's four buildings all around them and they are looking straight up and to take a picture like a plane taking off, there's like a viral picture that happens all the time with travelling influencers. Anything like that, i'm just gonna there and take that picture without waiting for a plane and they're .

done plane going awesome .

in brooklyn where the bridges you know that one street where they have the brick in bridge .

yeah just draw whatever you want there. Yeah like there's IT in out and L, A, it's like a right underneath for the planes land. L, X, and people like have to wait for the big plane to be extra more draw good. Do you care about realism?

You know about reality. I just sent you guys .

a photo that I saw little bit ago that's like a fairly innocuous sort of mei photo. But the more you pixel heap, the more you realize like things aren't right and I can't tell a fits AI or just like a really bad computational photography.

because the real photo.

this look, look, look at the text and .

look at the sign, and then look at the underside of the truck .

and .

that explain what IT is.

Yeah, sure. It's a it's a post. And also look at the grill truck. It's a picture with a caption truck lifted too high to see the porcher in front of him. And it's like a big lifted truck that sort of like backing or pulling over the back of a porsha seemingly some sort of turbo s perhaps A G T three with the index .

is a seventeen .

but but yeah.

it's like if you look out, it's like, oh, this is a real photo and then the more you pixel peeps it's things don't look it's like.

where is that? Where is y're all that red in underneath the.

Yeah that's that's not exist.

I'm wondering if it's like the bumper that just kind of got pulled down. But what i'm .

more interested .

is the stop let is like .

half missing and look at the it's .

word thing about competition hotoke phy these days is that IT always tries to do sharpening. And so like a really bad regular phone photos that are zoom in a lot, yes, the sharpening almost looks similar to a text I know .

and that's why i'm like it's really .

hard to tell the difference .

a lot of the time and it's it's like IT doesn't really the that IT doesn't matter whether this stupid meme is A I but we now live in a time yeah or it's is this yeah Normally I be like.

well as a cr thirteen a so maybe this is like russia or something, but these are all american cars.

No, this is, I think that's supposed to say ca thirty a like california highway thirty.

which maybe IT is an again, it's just like a super zoom in shot that's trying to sharp in a terrible it's very possible. I yeah I don't know. Smart phones have gone. Smart phones are not good at making text look Normal when they're trying to a upscale things. This is a really weird image to me.

It's really look red light.

The light .

is to me. All of this image looks real except for the street sign and yeah but .

what .

look at the suspension of the truck .

yeah suspend like all looks like that looks .

that look like .

a fine like it's a it's a modified lifted truck with weird looking red suspension parts .

in a and also just gone to an accident .

where the bumpers like half tour yeah is weird and .

I think it's time.

Okay, we told you going to be back this .

week trivia. So not to spoil anything, but in our next few sections are going to be talking about the web scraping and crawling and all sorts of stuff.

So, creep.

I wanted to make this question about the classical version of that stuff, web trawlers specifically. There's lots of different names out there that computer sciences used to describe web crawlers. Which one did I make up?

No, no. A spider.

B automatic indexing. C. A web scuttle or d these are all real big.

This, have you ever done a hall of the above before?

I haven't.

I'm scared. See, your answer would .

be if you pick one is .

made up but if you big deeds that they're all well.

yeah, you are acknowledging that I didn't make up anything for this question.

This is either a trick question or a trick question to question. Do you think is a trick question?

But that's the but here's the thing. Here's the thing. You're right. But I feel like that's more affair. I would never give you a trick question without you guys all knowing there's the possibility of that being a trip. What's the fun and point exact, you know.

feels like i've warning for a two B A true question.

yes. Or maybe that's the trick. Like David said, I, C, I, C, I.

all right, we're going to rack our brains for a while, probably on this, but the answers will be at the end, as usual. Well, think about him and be right.

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I welcome back we, uh, I of you watching the video version or are listening, but uh, we are actually wearing different things and. Well, the reasons some those are wearing different things is because we are recording this the next day, because we have since gotten extra news that actually affects what we're about to jump in to because about to talk about apple and training AI models on youtube videos. S but the news is we actually finally did get a statement from apple after we recorded that.

I just want we're jumping in now to share that statement just for clarification ation. So you can hear IT a basically the the gist is apple is clarifying that the data they used to train this model goes into this model. But this model is not being used in any of apples, consumer facing products like apple intelligence or syria.

and have that IT is used for only research purpose.

search purposes, only what they are saying.

whatever that means. You know, a lot of these things have been research projects, like tragic t was a research project and then turned into a full flood product. However, apple is true that apple is not currently using open L M. In any of their consumer .

facing product and that the physical data said that we are about to talk about .

for an extremely .

long amount of too long is is not planned on going into any consumer facing models.

The open the language model that were hearing about does have data from this company, but this language model isn't going into apple intelligence. That's the clarification.

Also though, there are some other companies that use this old pile data set that does include our transcripts that have either denied comments or not made comments. We kind of talk about a little bit going further. Um and yeah, I still think a lot of the things we say are valid even if we just talk trate about apple in those senses because like this is happening not just with youtube videos, but we are both music but all sorts of other different things that we've talked about in the past. And I still think it's a big thing we need to talk about going yeah further there.

There is no comments for .

many other other companies. When these companies .

are there might be the .

time that comes out. Yeah, these companies are literally running out of internet to scrape. And so they're training their models on model output. You know that they're going to start looking for any corner of the internet that they can take.

So yeah, so I feel like that's enough context to at least know the news that happened sense we recorded. So now we can jump in to what we did record, take IT away past self, right? Our next piece of news involves us a little bit.

Um there was a headline that was going around yesterday, and I think they smartly included youtube s names because I knew they would talk about IT. But here we are anyway and it's trying um and IT basically one along the lines of apple and other major type companies are stealing from M K B H D and other youtube channels. And so people saw wow apple stealing from M K B H D. What's going on here and the the general zoom all the way a version of the story is, you remember apple intelligence, all these A I features that apple announcing that's a train that on something they have to acquire a bunches of training data. And part of the uh acquisition process is working with a bunch of companies that scrape data and like come up with a little bunch of training data for you to use if you're apple and one of the companies took a bunch of data, including transcripts from youtube videos, which is, I believe, a violation of youtube terms service.

Yeah um we'll get there. Ah you've twenty problems into .

already A A lot of those videos are from youtube or that you may know like mr. Beast or p pie or myself. We have a bunch of we had a couple of videos in this data set.

There is a tool available for you to check which video included in the data. So the long story short is they've made this headline that apple has stolen youtube content and put IT in their training data for their AI. And that is kind of true. But yeah, there's a whole bunch of moving pieces is a le bunch of facets to this story that are all equally kind of interesting um I guess I start the beginning.

Yeah you did long story short is short .

story yeah so okay but there's a lot more like short story long now to unpack some of pieces. So first part is apple intelligence is a bunch of models that run either in the class on the iphone. Apple makes the models, but apple has to train the models on something.

Same thing with ChatGPT, same thing with germany. They have a data set that they are trained on. So if you're apple, you have to get all of this data, this corpus of human knowledge, that you want to train IT on and that ends up being what's fed into the model. Um say ah they they have to work with companies, they have to license information and they have to just acquire a whole bunch of this data to train their models on and so that part one is they had to work with some of these companies who have existing data sets that apple could .

buy yeah like every A I company needs to train data, right? Like and a lot of them are using other things. We talked a couple months ago about OpenAI being as like from join stern.

Are you scraping youtube videos and the C T. O. SHE me yeah, he was just kind like not sure about that, which is like the least really. yeah.

There is an interview with Carriers, which are recently that he didn't SHE asked her point, Blake too, and he said.

I don't know which I think is the truth. I think it's the truth. I think so.

I think yes SHE I but .

IT is basically like they're trying to include the entire like corpus of human knowledge. And so they have they've gone to all these brazillian places for as much data as possible. And they definitely can't guarantee .

that none of IT is they of money that yeah they and they can.

It's kind of like if you're building a smart phone and someone goes, can you guarantee that all the materials came from a sustainable places? And you can say that you've you've done the work for all your suppliers because you're not the one going and mining all the things you're going to suppliers trust, to tell you the truth, but your supplier could belong to you. You supply to change things. Your suppliers, you got a business and you need a new supplier, all the stuff.

But so let's be real, like all of these A I companies like they don't have the ethics to care about this kind of thing because none of them have gotten in trouble. It's like there's a gold mind sitting right there and you have access to IT. There's a sign in the front says not your property but then you just you could go and take IT anyway, you're going na do that yeah.

I would argue most of these companies have the abilities to do any of these things, but those abilities so much more money, right? And that there still putting profits first. So most of them almost none of them are, but all of them have the opportunity.

They are more fast.

yes. And in A I especially we're at like ten x speed here.

move fast and break terms of service.

That's pretty much yeah everything we're about to talk about in one sentence. Yeah so can we go to off of A I which is company we're .

to be mostly forest on OK. The companies that apple got is training .

Better from correct. And there was a wired article on tuesday that references a proof news investigation of this company that is a nonprofit called a uteri. I created this data set that they're calling the pile, which is a nonprofit open source data set that is i'm mind of you, you can go finding right now and download.

It's like eight hundred gigs or something like that um but it's script the subtitles of over one hundred and seventy thousand youtube videos from forty eight thousand different channels and trains and put IT in their data safe for the user training A I and that includes people like us. We are in there because proof news made a website and will link IT in the shower notes where you can search videos that are in this data set widely enough. All of us are all youtube originals.

It's like the whole first season of retrospect. IT is mr. Bee videos pty pie IT even has the crash course from the Green brothers had eighteen hundred videos inside that I know and even if that like super copyright late night shows like Steven cle bear and Jimmy camel and john Oliver was included .

in that because lutha I on their site says had been powering open sourced A I research and just like open crawl, which is a huge data set that OpenAI originally used to train jb ChatGPT.

If you just go to a thing that's like, we gathered all this information, not to make money, but just to do research, and then you take an open source thing, then you can say, oh, we didn't do anything illegal, just took this open, publicly available data, said which opening I like references is all the time. They're like, I don't know if we took anything illegal, but we took publicly available information. And it's like there is such a delinquent between publicly available and like free to use, they are not the same thing. And I know that, you know I know you know yeah, I don't act dumb here. Yeah, it's crazy.

Ah this is this is a dragani said with a ton of a so subtitles specifically. I feel like i'm glad it's not other parts .

of the videos to .

be two IT is all of the words spoken in all the video which you made an interest on .

twitter of is like we as a channel specifically pay extra money to make sure that is not only super active, but then I helps us do in other languages.

correct? yes. So I pay for a human transcription of every video for the minute.

And it's to make sure that, I mean, obviously, we've head jokes about this fast, but youtube auto transcriptions are like pretty bad. So if you're hearing in parody, you don't want to deal with those. So pay for this forever video. And so if they're scraping the subtitles, they're going end up scraping from youtube API what I uploaded because I replaced the uploaded captions. And so they're stealing paid you paid money and .

then they're taking nothing that paid money for yeah and training yes, I do find IT very funny if they just scraped so many videos where they didn't pay for the transport ripes because a lot of the transcriptions are bad. You like pretty rough data, mixed.

But and the reason we can connect this to some of big companies like apple video, is inside of their own papers talking about their A I models. Theyve referenced this data set called the pile apple, I think, inner paper talking about. E, L M, which is the model released at dub dub, correct? They like for some of their A I stuff reference to pile.

So like we know that they are using this data set that has been caught scraping all these things. And there's just something like I don't I guess it's maybe not as weird because you're saying you're glad IT doesn't have your voice in everything, but only about scraping street subtitles. And like we we get paid obviously by people watching our content by a view. We didn't even get the one singular view from the A I scraping r video as they literally just straight up took everything with nothing back to IT and just scraped off the data later. Were going to talk about is definite is against the term service youtube scraping some of data isn't there?

You know you can scrape the entire internet and there's all of the stuffs about like you're scraping websites and people's are writing and like the ethical implications of that and how that's messed up um but people don't write the same whether they talk.

So if you're trying to make a chatbot that is the most human like possible, youtube is actually probably the most valuable dataset on the entire internet because people on there actually speak more like they Normally speak and not how they write. Um I just wanted to break up very, very briefly. I used to contract for samsung. I didn't work for samsung in college, and I helped them train a bixby model based on necessary yeah, well, so it's your .

David. Big.

big. What they did was they were like, we need big speed to like, have more natural output. So we need you in a bunch of your friends to like, basically use this client to message each other, a bunch of messages as if you're having a natural conversation, like ten thousand times.

So they wanted me to message my friend, like, hey, here's IT going. You wanted go to the gym later, but they wanted they are like make IT as natural as possible, but we need ten thousand of them by next week. So they want to do to make a data set yeah, we didn't make a change.

But the problem was IT was based on like a repetition and the amount that we did and not IT was not based on like here. Use this chat out for the next month and we'll just take everything that you say. I was like we just need this on this deadline.

So we were just pump in out fake conversations that are definitely not the way that humans actually really interact. yeah. So I am probably partially to blame for bixby.

but i'm just .

saying will continue to blame.

This is a much Better data set, but there is like so many.

I never forgive you.

So here's the delle s advocate point that keeps coming up that I think at least has some grounding reality OK. What's the difference between a human taking inspiration from a song they heard and then making new music, and a robot taking inspiration from millions of songs that it's heard to make some new music?

Can you, within a couple hours, scrape one hundred and eighty thousand songs, word for word with picture, perfect memories, ation of every single word and everything in there?

no. But what's the difference in output?

We don't know what the exact output of this is, but if it's saying just word for word things that I would argue there's absolutely it's just the exact same thing.

I guess if the question is like my output of that i'm asking for is I want a creative new blue song for whatever. Give me a three minute a creative new blue song in the style that would go viral in twenty twenty four. And you ask a human to do that.

And here use what inspiration here you use whatever they know, and whatever theyve heard recently in some of its memories and some of its, I can't remembers some stuff that went well. And if you asked the robot to do IT, both of them will take whatever they were inspired by, whether it's one hundred eighty thousand youtube transcripts or just the stuff at the human. Listen to reasonable. And they will both output something genuinely new because they're told not to copy, they're told to make something new. And what's the difference between inspiration and scraping in a way that these models are turning that data into this?

I mean, you want the physical thing right now that is like you too doesn't allow you to create off of its platform. It's like literally against the term service.

Or are you dog in more broadly, I think more broadly because, yes, humanity is allowed to watch youtube videos and fired by them. sure. And a robot is therefore ally not about to do that.

There's an aspect even in that where if inspiration comes .

to close to copyright a law.

you can still get yeah remember when um who is that that suit because the vibes were .

the same I thought .

param and a this is one hundred percent before and appropriate things have happened .

in corporate also .

star judged on the output, not the input.

I don't know if you could make an effect claim based purely unlike the the material of the output, but I don't think we should forget the the the scale and the idea of like who actually gets to benefit from the work mean like like at the end of the day, like none of us have a billion dollars. We don't have access to data centers if we would all feel terrible about using an entire cities worth of energy and an afternoon you like nothing about this is like is like good, you know. And it's just a way for people who already have a lot of resources to steal, not just resources, but the means of generating more resources from people. And then also, I don't think we're quite there yet, but I think we should all start preparing our brains in the next like five years to just conclusively say that like human beings matter more than computers like right like that and that in my opinion and hopefully are the robots don't kill me when they become santa and like rise upper, whatever. But it's like I think at a certain point we should all be prepared to be like this is Better because IT puts a human being in a place of power instead of instead of a computer, which which at the end of the day, a it's a silicon way for that I could crash with yeah you know I strong .

like to build those points because if we were to you know, if you've a multibillion dollar company, nearly a trillion company, multi trillion dollar, and you have like all the singer song writers that are just like trying to make a living and then you just go, i'm just going to take everything you did and not learn how to play the guitar and right, good songs and then replace all of you with A I generated songs. You can only do that because you're a multitrillion dog company and I know that there is like not like a necessarily legal precedent that makes this like legally wrong. But like, do we collectively as a human species, want to allow that kind of thing to happen?

Like a nervous engineer situation were like a human being spends that tens of thousands of hours watching youtube videos, learning how to use a camera, like learning to edit. At the end of the day, what they have accomplished is giving themselves a skill, and they could now be a part of the conversation. That is, youtube, you really mean. But when a company like insert company name here does IT and then they can begin you in theory launching .

thousands video yeah it's like every social media .

platform is a very different .

yes yeah yes. I'm trying to find the cause. This kind of a grey area between .

those this entire conversation is A, I just want put that out that I don't think anyone here has the answer to this, but we certainly feelings on.

because I existentially, like the human, believes the human is very, is valuable, obviously. So the human wants to hear the human music and the human wants to watch the human perform the skills, obviously. And so we don't think that we would respond well to like a robot creation. IT wouldn't have the same.

But I was going to say before, to answer your question, is how the human receives the art. I think that is the key point, because if you show two outputs that are the same, but you tell someone the human made this one, the human is going to inherently.

yeah, yeah, there are some should do that blind test. Someone should do, uh, control the scientific method, like give, watch someone listen to a song when they are told that a human made IT and then watch a bunch of people listen the same exact song when they are told that A I made IT and then afterwards to ask, what do you think and if you get told the human made IT, you'll go, that was really soulful. I could hear the inspiration. And if you get told the robot made IT, you'll go, that sounded really blend in generic and uninspired. Yeah, I wonder if it's just because we believe that the human made IT.

But also, I feel like we just have to care more about the human generated stuff. We at day, day, even if you, even if there was quite literally no difference, if if the tests proved that nobody could actually tell the difference. Do we want to live in the world .

that where .

nobody makes .

me like there is a world like the great there are already, to me, is an example of someone to scrape a bunch of data, made a piece of art with A I that some people knew as A I, some people didn't know as A I, but everyone loved. And IT ultimately didn't affect anything, because IT was one human creator contributing to the conversation. That is art.

And what I am talking about is the song of the summer. b. Bl.

jerzy is an A I song.

Yes, that is someone who trained an A I on tons of different motor. No, no, no, no. The beat where the singers going.

Bb, L, J, Y, that's an a, that's an AI generated voice. That's AI generated backing tracks. Metro bomani sample that with his human skill into a hipp beat.

Oh, yes. So I I would argue their use room for human beings to use A, I train their own datasets, scrape and steel. And i'm not disrupt. I'm going keep using this word conversation because I really like IT to to describe the exchange of ideas and concepts.

contact.

No, a computer can. A trillion dollar company that can drastically alter the entire environment in which we create can really, and i'm in a curse, I was bleak. This out later can really fear shot, you know, everybody shot. Yeah.

we got way off track. Well, sorry, that's OK. We can go to maybe a couple things here that are in the still gray but less gray area, which are middle grey, middle grey. Just like let's talk about, first of all, scraping state using the youtube A P.

I subtitle. Yes, have to look this.

I spent a day I spent a long time yesterday going into this um and I found a couple different things we found sorry and I talked the coder about this was back when open I was potentially crippling in alleged allegedly sorry. We're going back to say a lot of allegedly, he responded, the youtube team is following up and that there are some terms and conditions and that they expect people to abide by those terms and conditions.

So that was like a very vae way of potentially saying like we are looking and IT seems to go against terms of conditions but I found a much more uh precise quote from neal mohan um talking to blue bird, the C O of youtube saying that if store was using uh youtube content IT would be a clear violation he said uh from a creative perspective, when a create, upload their hardwork or platform, they have certain expectations. One of those expectations is that the terms of service is going to be abide by. IT does not allow for things like transcripts or video bits to be downloaded and that is a clear violation of our terms of those are the rules of the road in terms of content on our platform.

That is a very specific funning enough. This is before all this came out, but he even mentioned transcripts right there. And scraping transcripts and downloading them from youtube is against the terms of service.

Sounds great. So youtube has a case here of something. What I found interesting also though, is we can all assume google has their own A I and google has this gold mine of content on their own platform. Are they scraping.

raping, use or just using the stuff .

that they have already? Mohan mention something that interview that i'm still not totally sure. So I will let us maybe figured out I couldn't get and everyone else can think IT. He said that google, which owns youtube, does use some youtube videos s to train its own air platform, avi, but only if the individual creators on the platform agreed to that in contracts. I not gure out what that exact contract means, whether like the terms of service you have to agree you to upload literally anything on their website, whether the youtube partnership program.

I looked at my contract contract, which was my terms of service yeah, I didn't see anything specific to IT, but we were talking yesterday. I would just like IT wouldn't make any sense for google to not do this. Like read IT, for example, cells its user data to A I companies as training data. When you upload anything to read IT, IT is now the property of read IT. When you upload any images to instagram, those are now the property of instagram.

Be too anything you do on in the adobe platform trains that say eyes.

I think you could not tell there is a whole thing around that. They said that they don't. But it's I don't know it's a whole thing regardless.

It's just it's one of those things. It's like nila used very vae phrasing there. And there are so many times when you check the checkbox that says I agree to the terms of service. And in the terms of service is a thing that will give the company access to your information and your rights.

It's very I don't i'm not going to say this is for sure, but it's very likely that somewhere in the terms of service gives youtube the ability to co license, as we saw in their terms of service, the content on youtube to other companies, which you would assume they would do to google because google is youtube, youtube is google. I'm going to assume that that's the case. We would love clarification on that.

Anyone that works at youtube, neil, if you want to, to get us your email as we'd love to know about that. But it's the it's the same gold. My analogy, it's like google has the best possible opportunity to train the best possible model because they have the best possible source of information. And if they weren't doing that from a business perspective, that would just be like stupid from a business perspective, even though I don't think they should be doing IT.

you know google would have more of an argument to of being like we're creating this platform that helps the flourish through different partnership programs where they can make money. So like you know, we're gonna makes some even more money on IT. It's still this weird. I don't love IT, but it's a way Better explanation than apple taking or in video taking. It's like random free thing that definitely broke terms of service to get in the first place.

I recently asked games to summarize the latest M K B H D video and IT did. And there's there's an element of you know how in fair use, there's an element of like replacement. So my work is considered derivative enough if IT doesn't replace watching the original work, like if I make a commentary ensues video, but I don't use the entire video and I add my own thoughts and its transformative, then it's not enough to replace to watching the original video. Therefore, IT is very use, but gemini summarizing my latest video feels like I can display video, and in order to summarize my video that needs to know about my video and be trained on my video. So I I would argue that it's taking from me and we're placing me in, in some way.

This is kind of the reason that there has been this huge conversation in the last year. So around the streamers that just play people's videos and don't act, don't even even really react to them. And many of them will just leave the room while the video is being played because then they're getting the benefit and IT is replacing you and going and watching the video because the thousands of people that are watching the streamer are not going to go to youtube and watch your video. They're just going to watch IT on the stream.

I've seen people do that to my videos before.

Yeah, all time.

which is not cool. And that would be a that would be a pretty good use like that. That's the line. There is some sort .

of copyright law that's been debated, I think, from OpenAI and actual lawyers about if some of the scraping data is considered fair use. And i'm not exactly sure where IT is, but even still.

the option is like a hundred different case. I'm sure there's .

a billion different cases going on. I just want to throw that other that the fair use aspect of scraping A I da and using chap pods being looked at, right? Yeah but even still in this specific thing with a lutha either were talking about as they broke terms of service. And that's far different from from does the terms service .

say that you can't scrape no matter what or only if you're making money on IT， cause that's always kind of been the question because you can upload a youtube deo that has a tailor fifth song on IT if you don't monitise IT. So i'm not totally .

always most .

of .

IT is less of is always not aloud. But we are much more willing to go after the people making money.

You would be my guys also, can youtube even do anything about this if illusion didn't sign, didn't agree to the terms of service .

like their yes, also a great question. Yeah the that's that's true. Did you did they even agree to terms service? And is IT more of just a legal thing? And also once apple has already, let's say apple and and others have dated this data, but once apple already trains their data and trains their models on all of this data, and then we find out, oh, actually some of this was not acquired legal year, whatever how you .

reverse that, is that .

reversible at all? You reata, well, it's already in the data. So, uh.

not much. This is the next thing I wanted to bring up in all of this is yeah what our next steps here. They trained IT already. We just said, you do you have to train home did said, which is none of these companies are .

going to so much extra carbon in the atmosphere.

Um but then it's like there's also the argument of what if you like apple didn't take IT a luthor store the the data and now apples taking IT. But I just like .

did I pay for the data from later? I am assuming.

no, I have not seen anything about IT, but it's a free open source. I don't even know an open source set.

which means they probably didn't pay for IT. This is the exact amr ment that happened with opening when they were training judgment ity and di was that they used all of these open scraped model like open scraped data sets online. And so then they weren't like, we didn't scrape, but we just took this open available information. They get to say publicly available .

yeah that's sort of thing.

Some companies are partner like VISA because we work with vox media for ads on this podcast and vox partnered with OpenAI and they're doing to train their dataset. IT was easy enough because we knew that happen. We could talk to box.

IT is part of box media, not part of the pocket network. We are not included in that, but that still is some sort of actual connection that they made. So companies do that do actually connect with other media companies.

I think a lot of the companies are just there's a really good interview between nei nick thomson, who is the, I believe, CEO of the atlantic or later and chief of the atlantic. He used to be the E S C for wired um but he has he gives a huge explanation about why he's partnering with OpenAI to give them access to a the atlantic for training data. And they have sort of like this back and forth where they both give each other things. And I think the deal with open in eyes like it's it's Better for open a ee to just make a deal with all these media companies because they don't get sued like than your time sued them and they can kind of just give them credits and do all this different kind of .

fire with permission yeah, yeah, yeah wow yeah. So want to hear .

like a good sort of breakdown .

from from these publications perspective of why they may give their data to these companies. You should listen to that interview. It's unclear.

I think, with taking the elusive stuff. All the companies taking from there need to pay the due diligence to realize where the information is coming from, and they are all more than capable of doing that. And if that broke youtube terms of service, they're pretty much just fault for that. If you steal something, I just got this yesterday.

Like me, you like selling stock goods on C, I brought something up.

This is in new york. I'm sure laws change state to state, but to be convicted of possession of stolen actual knowledge of being stolen is not required. All that is necessary is that you should have known that means the prosecution is only proof of reasonable person would have known the property is still in if you are getting. Tons of data for absolutely free. Like you should probably know that there's something.

What do you mean I found this world. Like.

I can if you buy a bike on cast for forty dollars, that's a five hundred and you should know, probably stolen and like a loser did not do this fairly. And all the companies that pulled from this and threw into their train training data probably should have known something sketch was going on, or at least put the effort into figuring that out.

right? You can just make the sannox gy like you still watch from someone on canal street and you now just say it's yours like this. That's what these companies are doing and we already it's already a problem when you uh, rip off people's writing, right, you can like take a big thing on wikipedia, change some words slightly and it's still plagiarism. This has been a huge conversation on youtube in general recent link because there's all these video essay uh youtube channels that are literally just like reading wikipedia or reading books verba and then like putting graphics over IT and pretending that they wrote the whole thing and they'll just change some small sections in a big it's not a player uris and I just took heavy inspiration and it's like, no. And if you're making a language model and your whole model is based off of other people's work, even if you're changing the words that still heavy inspiration, and that's most of the new york times lossy against open eye, is kind of focused on this because they they have many, many, many examples where they'll ask a question about the new work times, about something that happened. And it'll basically just almost forbid them, say, the new york times article, but IT changes some of the adjective.

I yes, my last question, I think we can take a break after this is okay. So we know that these company is still want to make AI models and language models and things like that. What is the actual landscape of options for training data to make a good model? And I think that might be something that takes a whole lot more research that we don't know enough about.

But IT kind of feels like there are a relatively small number of absolutely gigantic models. And if you're apple rushing into the scene where they probably shouldn't be, but uh, not really being able to find huge models with gigg antic amounts of information that contain zero improperly acquired information, that's that's a question. I don't know the answer too.

I think all of these companies have the resources pressure, say, all of them, all the ones that we're talking about, apple and video, have the resources to like be able to ask proper permission and have more options than they could ever imagine, like pay people and pay .

just pay people tube. If you're google and youtube, you can say, hey, we would love to like trainer models using your youtube transcripts. We will pay you five percent more at revenue if you're willing to let us scrape your transcripts.

What do you think if you're read IT, you can do the same thing. If you contribute a lot will pay you based on how much you contribute to read and get keep conversations following the quality of your conversations, stuff like that. These are all trillion of our companies is not like they can't afford to pay.

They're the greatest and most intense nexus sis of information in the history of humanity. Like they don't have the excuse to be like I do. It's like, yes, you know you know as much as any entity has ever known ever.

right?

If your apple, there is a reason that they're going to these companies to buy slash, license the data sets instead of going out gathering at themselves immediately.

apples in a much worse position than all these other companies because their entire .

brand is privacy person ally. But I think they can go with the research on figuring out data such that aren't no.

that's what is what options are available. Is other only twenty reasonably big data sets that they could like train stuff on? Or are there bigger lions of options? I have no idea.

I know you sure there are plenty of options that are we?

sure. I don't know.

I I hope so. I'm sure they can find.

I'm sure they can afford to pay someone to make a data set that wasn't IT. There's a before we get out about the substance, but there's a very similar thing going on in the art like the physical art world on the topic of experience, where a lot of museums, especially in new york, are getting in trouble because most of their art is stolen.

And yes, the the mat over the past few years has had to return over a thousand pieces of various countries and and all the museum's excuses. How are we supposed to note that was stolen? We bought IT from a reputable, able art dealer who said, IT wasn't stolen.

How are we supposed to know? And IT on the surface and very much feels like, oh, like that, very reasonable. Like how can you if an article er got IT from another article, got IT from another article who bought from a thief, how you supposed to track that? But the actual reality of the situation is almost never like that.

Like there's this awesome article from a year two ago on ici J I, which is an international journalist consortium where they talk about there was artifact that was stolen from southeast asia in the eighties, that appeared in the museum in the nineties, like IT only took ten years from stolen to in the museum. And the museum is still like, how are we supposed? It's like, dude, you are the one of the biggest art museum in the world. Like if you don't know.

like doing your due diligence.

S yeah, it's it's like at a certain point, like you have to own up to the amount of thread that you have and do things the right way.

right? Well, that yeah IT also gets into so many like ethical boundaries of leg. I mean, have a bunch of egyptian stuff direct for me, egypt in the met.

And so there's all those questions of like, well, the british stole everything. So when the british eventually sold that stuff tactically, all of IT is stolen. Mark has I genuinely .

see we are coming from and I don't have to answer your question, which I think proves your point to a large extent. However, I fundamentally in my soul, refused to believe that this is not something that, again, the smart st most valuable, farthest reaching entity in the history of humanity can't accomplish.

I agree, I think, I think you have a really strong case. And I agree that I would make sense to believe that the strongest entertain humanity ever should have the ability to solve any problem that humanity comes up with. But I still don't know the answer to I. I think I would love to see so on making expose with whatever of mails out there about, like what the world of these data sets is actually like because there are a the data sets that are used by OpenAI. OpenAI is a several brazilian dollar company, and they have to go get data sets like google.

What are they using when you're buying all of the content on redit and using redit information, what does that look like you? And if you're apple and you have no data sets, how do you train a good AI where you get that information? I don't know any of the answers, and I would love someone to find all the answers. Yeah.

I hope be a great export.

I hope nobody watching this things that are strong points on the either side makes us think we do know the answer. This is just all a lot of arguing.

Um we're making an ethical argument and at the these companies don't care at all. They do not care because they're gone to make more money. Even if they get sued and they get time.

they want to trouble .

the amount of sure yeah.

what's the site? Move slowly and keep things intact. Now feel that's not .

break terms of service.

Nobody I know what mediately what we are talking about. What is the more connection to us of scraping youtube videos is what pride will happen is if youtube does anything, apple and or a user, whoever will pay google bunch of money. And then all the youtube videos I got stone will see.

absolutely, I do to say IT is crazy surprising that google has not done anything about all of these companies that have obvious sleep scraping youtube and breaking .

the terms of service. IT is yeah the first exposed the API and I don't know that there's any I don't know what their method protecting .

and information would, I guess wait, sorry. Now to go all the way back to did they agree to the terms service if you use the youtube API, do you to agree to terms of you to answer that question? Yeah no.

I don't know thing about the A P, I. They might just have built a bott that can like shape now.

one, two person. But I thought a luthers said they use the APP. I specially .

I use the A P, I for some of our data collection. And you do need to agree .

to certain terms .

of service .

apply for our channel anyway.

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your podcast right. Walking back, I have one last thing talk about. This is kind of random off the world.

But every time cannon comes out with a new mural camera, they absolutely nail IT with every single new spec. They finally added the thing that we are begging them to add exact and the M S. Of one thing that makes IT critically flood and kind of an issue.

They make amazing cameras. I just have to say, like we still use a lot of canon cameras. I'm looking right at and see one three hundred. We should see seventies for studio. We have our five.

where five hundred.

five hundred, two. I love these things, right? They're really, really good.

But are five, you might remember, had the overheating issue like that really good? Camera is great. Autofocus, a whole bunch of awesome stuff. And then like ah but overheats when you shoot a yeah or they have like a really great vlog camera that's finally smaller and finally has great codex and oh but the camera doesn't flip around the the monitor doesn't flip around. Our five sea was everything we wanted but the Better minutes can I argue .

this happens just like mirs, because this happened. So need to they like, do all these cool things. And then they they like flip up screen, only flip up. So if you have an external microphone or what, they may fix that and foot to the site. But that's where the micro IT to be imperfect so .

that they can release another camera that you'll buy. Well.

this brings me to the new's announcement. Yeah and i'm looking at IT and I personally don't see the kills heal. Someone's going to point out the comments and break my heart.

But as of right now, can released two new cameras, are one, but also the r five mark two. This r five mark two, I think for four, three hundred books, is going be pretty sick. Eight k sixty sea log two got added, uh, full size H D my port sort of that thinky like mini H D M I on r five four k one twenty with audio.

Oh, IT has a cooling battery grip. So obviously there's a the firm or update a while ago till I can prove the the the cooling on the r five, but a cooling batter grip to have longer battery. There's like more specific batteries for this, but IT shouldn't overheat. IT has electronic image stabilization that works with the stabilization built into R, F lenses. I mean, i'm i'm going on this list and i'm like seems like a pretty .

sick records on to microsoft.

I'm like that still has .

all the fundamentals.

It's like it's still a good size camera, still has its forty five megaplex el IT takes fast steals, like all the things that you d Normally expect that of a camera. So I am worried about what might go wrong when reviews come out. But as of right now, I think our five more two is, is that camera?

I'm trying to confirm this, but I think I may have found something I can see. A picture is a .

sense of triangle.

What's gone now, I I really like that joke this morning, like that would okay. So what one of the cool things I think about the r five mark one now we have is every time you take the lens off, the shutter shut and IT protects the sensor. And I think every single camera should have that.

There's just a photo here. And IT looks like the sensor just open. But maybe he did that on purpose. But if they took that away from this one, no one has a stew Peters video OK, yeah. I think every single maryland.

every single, because they are less and they little .

dust particles make .

you feel so much because I think, I think i'm gonna up spending four thousand dollars on one yeah.

on one forty .

two ninety nine, specifically.

forty three hundred. It's not I don't want to go buying a bunch of stuff, but like that.

He also has eyes tracked out of focus. So you can look at the thing you wanted to focus on this on that. yes. And I want to point out that a film camera from cannon actually had this back in the day, and I was.

so when you're saying I tracking, you don't mean it's tracking the eye of what i'm shooting. No, it's using my eye. And which auto focus point I look, get IT focus on the subject.

Yes, what's what's wrong with this camera? I don't know. I like that something is going to wrong.

I'd basically look at what you to s on changes.

But there are sometimes where i'm like looking at something behind the subject, just like watch a go out of frame or something like that doesn't to focus on that.

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sorry， confirm. So if you are looking through the E, V, F, what you're looking at? Yes, okay. I thought you like if I were in frame from and yes.

and they had this in the cannon U. S. Five, also known as the a two and a two e film cameras, yeah.

Phone cameras, yeah. And he was super cool. I now, I imagine IT is way, way, way Better than IT was back in the day. But they call IT A I A F two. And I imagine the first one was I F one. I just remember seeing this on the that film, Cameron being like, why has nobody done this again? I and if I D can turn off party, I M scared there will be something wrong.

Don't worry. Find when i'm .

reading comments.

says they have log to. And for those that don't know, for some reason the r five has c og one and c log. Three log profiles shoot very flat, so they have a lot of into grade famously.

So I want to see, like to or not? good. I do not like them at all. Like to, we like to luck to very good. We like and they've theyve always we like .

they've always kept those for some reason for the vini.

the cinna cameras. And I know there's a reason for obviously, they don't want to canalized their own market. They are soared about the time. So bring that onto this, I think is gonna be that .

was scared because like you would think, like r five c mark, I would have this. But the fact of the bring this to our five, I keep inking. Like, what do they know?

Yeah, what did they think is you like to light?

It's like dog, like watching your mouth. What did you do? Did you know what that is going to be crazy? Okay, well, you know, we might .

have to .

get one. Did you mention false?

We lose those stupid adaptors every single time we get on like .

they break the so there S O they also announced the U S R one, which is six thousand three .

hundred dollars. Like sports.

the sports photograph IT is basically .

the .

mere less version of the and IT does forty F P S R crazy. It's twenty four, twenty four megaplex all but IT has some in camera um A I upscaling thing that can apparently upscale to a much higher resolution. So very interesting that we even wondering for like a lot of years when our camera is going to start catching up to smart phones in terms of like the completion photography and processing and IT seems like that's finally happening. But apparently he can generating ninety six mega pixel image.

I'm not as worried about that sucking because like a smartphone, sensor and optics are so small that like you kind of need some computational assistance to make a great big image. I am a film person like IT. The bigger the sensor, the bigger the options, the more room you have to make good images and. I'm not surprised that a full frame sensor with a huge lens can be upscaled and still look at yeah we're like a crappy twelve people camera phone photo yet help there's no light and take at all so like a fast sports photo like okay, give me give me less mega pixel on the raw cap.

right? A four frame sensor. You're a bit of light on this. exactly. So get exciting.

I found something on the r five mark to that. Let me know this is a problem. Oh god, new battery pe of I saw that.

I am willing to accept that because IT seems like I should still luck because there was new gripped and stuff. IT should still have should have Better battery life and I don't have a ton of our five batteries anyway. I'm not mad about losing.

And if you're a new purchase and didn't have the previous ones, that doesn't affect you at all. So that does suck if you upgrading. Yeah but IT .

feels stand alone enough to not be actually and IT.

i'll keep looking for a deal.

Break up. The cooling group is seven hundred and fifty.

I want to know really quickly that they did put that eyes tracking in the U. S. R. Three, which is the apc camera that they made the lens for for the vision pro, right? They are seven. Sorry, they put in the three, which I don't really know a lot about the three, but apparently they put that in their first. This is a second camera habit.

You know, they go the opposite direction of auty models. As far as, like names or excise, this is such a stupid come. Why in R S, R S three, R S five, R S seven gets bigger. But like r one is the biggest one. Five kena always .

done the story like one, one, five.

A big boy. Yeah, yeah. I don't even say that. Anyway.

why is coming out of my map?

I think I should stop and .

think for the model on right now.

Anyway, we've we've talked for so long, we we should do trip.

Let's be I think this might be the longest IT might be. We are off from .

last week episode des still by like twenty plus three minutes and that's with goofing around .

for fifteen minutes.

Question number one, trivia. Let's kick up the energy trivia. Did web crawlers we know as web trawlers? When I say web crawler, everybody knows what we're talking about, but google outcome, some people use different words.

I have three of them. One of them is possibly think, which one did I make up? Hit IT.

A spider. b. Automatic indexing. c. Web scutter or d these are all real. And I didn't make anything up at all.

Before I thought, say, I say web, you say gutter. No scraper out .

of the gutter.

Nice one of you can't, boys.

wow. We said different things and you're all.

but you should really .

do answers anyway.

See.

I wrote the AI one.

Unfortunately, no spider was used by a Scott petka in his early paper robot. In the robot calling beyond browsing the research paper, automatic indexing was used by mae koby osha. And I forget his first name with the last as tecate a in a two thousand paper sponsored by IBM called information retrieval on the web and web.

Scott is present in the F, A, F. Official documentation here in time, which I thinks some of was written by timber's lee. But i'm not going to say that I actually, I think I might have been, but i'm not really sure N D. The correct answers.

These are all it's so crazy .

how David knew all of that and .

he's still got the wrong time. I'm heading .

head. Andrew with thirteen. David with fourteen. Alice is Carrying the one I think was one point over Andrew.

right.

right where I want to be. Second question. In twenty thirteen, google launched the first consumer hardware device that they ever launched. What was IT?

I think therefore .

I am I think .

I still have .

IT really wait really .

way twenty .

thirteen, get a reaction to see oh no.

oh yeah, is IT. But I think IT is no. I don't know if I consider that consumer hardware.

Oh yeah.

I think twenty thirteen.

Okay, what did .

David play?

IT from cast?

Oh yeah.

And when .

you crobble .

marrow, the chrome ook eight.

nope. Their first ever consumer hardware device was the .

chrome cast. Thirteen one was twenty the the thirty eight was twenty who made IT google but wasn't .

the question in what I just happened .

to come up with the actual offer.

You know.

I mean, I feel you, I feel I am right.

I only agree, mark, as just in chrome s.

where did you get the answer from? I am the .

key y word, which is google.

What do google say?

They said the chrome room cast.

said the grown cast is .

the first consumer, the first .

consumer hardware device, hardware that, yeah, it's all my black, no logos anywhere. What if we both both holy crap.

I in real time markets has unearthed A A product that is older than the ron care, not shot .

the google .

one product .

petition .

first to all get a point. Google somehow thought was the right. And so you should get a point for that. Yeah, I came up with the actual answer, which is their actual first consumer.

harvard product, and stumble the part.

But if we're letting the c forty eighteen, then wouldn't just the g one be the first google consumer harbour product because that as much google made as the one i'm looking at is a twenty thirteen .

first book that was an HTC HTC look on IT.

Yes, but yours doesn't have an ASR logo.

No IT doesn't does not logo is no logo. But also, if we gave Andrew .

the point and didn't give IT to either, if you guys, you would all be tied of fourteen. And I think that makes the game really .

I know what what time there's no .

world where David shouldn't get a point angry, but there's also no world that Andrew gets a point.

And I do unfortunately, I think both of those world are the ones .

we currently .

and have IT .

this is that the same?

This, yes.

IT isn't OK also have an a .

i'm going to .

suspend the points from this week what and make a poll and bread and twitter.

Can you want .

the community you do?

So don't tell them who said which answer.

I just want to do not expect this. I think google pretty straight forward to, right? yeah. But turns out there black is wrong.

They must have used like A I generated results to write this who actually, yeah, we confirm that this keyword post was not written by an .

AI IT was not and am not putting them on the last. So go to youtube community and vote on who gets the correct point and I will update next.

What are you listing all three and is each of our names and everyone gets a point or just each of us?

Chrome .

back .

chrome book was A.

P ast ast. We just letting people this on.

yes.

because I where is the next is you can .

let people go to, you can do that.

We live in A D anyway.

final answer is the grocers vote in the poll. I hope it's like most choice. You can pick like two instead of just one.

anyway. Well, pause points till next week to forget that one out. Thanks for voting.

Yeah, I guess that's IT. thanks. Stop the Better. Thanks for watching. Thanks for this thing. We'll be back to regular life podcast next week, I promise. I swear.

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For instance, what does that mean to start buying and using A I at work? How much is that costing companies? What products are they buying? And most importantly, what are they doing with IT and of course, podcasts? Yes, the thing you're listening to right now, well, it's increasingly being produced directly by companies like venture capital firms, investment funds and a new crop of creators who one day want to be investors themselves.

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