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Yeah is a weird that I want clear glasses but I don't want all the tech inside of IT but then IT won't be fun as clear you can get clear that but they don't have like a bunch of computer chips inside.

Would you buy clear asses with like non working computer part in the school? But then people that's a tough, that's a tough situation. I sympathize.

Ah what is up? People of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the way form podcast where your host about this and I and small crew today also Adams out, but Alice is here.

And yeah, this is fun fact episode two five one so I feel like i'm just shouting that out if you know you know it's two hundred fifty one two five one and today's episode have apple intelligence update timing, a quick review on a new garment watch and I will talk a little bit about meta quest. H sorry, made a connect twenty twenty four, which had a new meta quest in IT. It's a good time. Uh, also wanted to jump in right off the top and talk panels a little bit IT was like the talk of the entire internet accidents .

for like a couple days t bit yeah.

I like my free page and everything about IT, which has a subsidies and downside. I say a the original idea of panels, as some of you may know, if you watch the iphone review, was we'd been working behind the scenes on a wallpaper APP, which is hosting and sharing all the law papers that i've been using, and more art by the same artists all in one place.

So as you can imagine, for a decade, people have been asked me where my wall papers come from. So sort of a natural thing to just sort of plug and own and have available to you guys. And so I kind of plugged in there, and I kind of got like scooped up as like this gigg antic thing.

I think maybe the number one most common comment I saw was who would want to pay for wallpapers like who would want A A whole APP just for wallpapers um which to me IT was like, well I in community were a lots of people like change while papers all the time and it's really fun but to the because it's the M K B H D channel and the iphone review and there's like way more eval's on IT IT became this massive um but because he became the mouse of thing. Lots of vibes on a lots of appropriate critique I think really helped lots of I think you can call IT a sloppy launch from us, but definite lot of learnings for like what we want to create and make really good for all the artists involved down the road. Um a couple of things I do want to address because they were all over like twitter and and friends and stuff that I saw.

Um number one is on the disclosures. Like if you go to the iphone APP store and like scroll down enough, there is A A set list of disclosures. This is actually already fixed by the time this goes alive. But just to explain because people have posted about IT ah, there is a whole list of like all these disclosures of what the APP may ask for permission to use like you know location and and all sorts of the stuff like that. The APP, just be clear, never will ask for any of that stuff.

But because our APP has ads, there are suggested disclosures that you can sort of just blanket enable that are most other apps that have ads from ad mob and things like that will also just enable just to be safe. But that was a huge red fly for a lot of people. And so appropriately, we have adjusted them to uh, a more finite list of what is actually applicable .

to our APP a an reasonable red, totally.

So that was good. Um another one is god so this somehow is rumor popped out that like we bought an old wall paper APP and then like rebranded IT or something yeah um and then I found out exactly how the summer started, which is people saw the panels twitter account and saw that the account had been created, I think like twenty twenty one and made the direct leap from there to suggest that this APP has exist ince twenty one, which is not true.

Obviously we've been well, maybe not. Obviously, we've been resulting ourselves and we've got people here in the studio helping us gones. Um the account itself was a username that was salvaged, that was inactive, that we ve got to switch to actually have the panel's user name.

And then now he says it's us because we got to take the account. Now IT looks like an older account, but trust me, the APP did not exist back then. And that was one of the weird rumors that I saw on one of the last things I wanted to jump in on IT was on the question of A I in the art.

As as people have known, there are a lot of human artists working on a lot of their art in their photos and things available and somebody asked, is there any AI in here? And I said, yes, because actually know there's a specific example of those artists that using A I to augment photos of skyscrapers to to turn them into like different looking buildings and to edit IT them there have heavily edited and they look super sick. But I can be, that is A I and someone suggested labelling them as A I.

So I want to do that. I want to make that change in our APP. Uh so thank you again for the feedback on that.

Um but yeah in general, this is an entirely created list, is a relatively small collection. It's a few hundred pieces right now. But obviously things you've seen in previous videos on laptops, on phones, on like monitor behind me, on A I make things like that. So I can now always say like this. This is where you get IT. You always have like the answer to your question right in front of you, which was the idea of the existing so yeah, we have plenty of work ahead of us on a lot of the code, a lot of the design, a lot of the fun stuff you guys were given a feedback on. So again, we appreciate that um and we hope to work pretty quickly on basically all the feedback we ve got ten at the end of the day, the the math, like most people don't change the world paper all the time .

and I understand that i'm .

like once a year, maybe the most um and so I think yeah people will just help on single images and find whatever they want. Totally cool. This is, as we knew from the beginning, like a small group of people who wants a specific answer to a question, which is these are some cool wallpapers I want let me see where I can get them so that's what panels is uh to the the irony of me, promising IT would be more than up in the future.

I still, I still say, don't get the p based on the promise of the future of the APP. Get IT based on what IT is today, which is a well paper APP. Hopefully we can improve IT soon, but don't take my word for IT.

If you like IT now use IT. If you don't uninstall IT, it's fine. Maybe later down on the road will be Better, and that's our goal. So we're going to working on this for well.

I think obviously, like we didn't get to go over every single thing that we seen the feedback for, but we have spent a lot of time collecting feedback and it's something that can be a process of figuring IT all out. And our goal is ultimately just like make something that people who the people who always asked for what wallpaper is in videos enjoys and can find some cool things. And we're partner with some artists that we really like.

So yeah, hopefully we can just make a really good curated set of wall paper in a nice APP. And the people who wants to use IT hopefully enjoy IT down the road. And hopefully we prove to everybody .

that I can be enjoyed. Yeah, I think assumed way out philosophy for like everything that I published on any channel is like making content that I would want to watch, making a channel that I would want to subscribe to, like that spend the ethos. And this is making an APP that I would want.

Yes, I would really just want a sick APP full of the best wallpaper is that I think from super talented people that also makes them money. It's a little platform for them to be in front more eyeballs. So hopefully we can accomplish that. Yeah um okay. So apple intelligence released timings.

This is interesting because in the iphone review, the rest of that video we talked about, uh obviously iphone sixteenth coming out in sixteen pro and how like so much of the advertising for the phone is apple intelligence you know IT doesn't come with the phone of the box. yes. So the question is when does IT come out? And turns out it's in stages.

a lot of stages yeah stages that i'm a little confused about still. So maybe reading this what mark garman said in this blueberry tico, you can help me differently when this is so IT says that apple is racing to complete um uh the I O S gating point two upgrade virtual include features like genug, I chat, bt integration and image playground. Then um is looking to release that by early november so I can ship IT by december. Then I O S eighteen point three were completed by the be completed by the end of the year for janine release and then eighteen point four which includes new theory features um is scheduled to be released in march after being completed in february. okay.

Yeah so like .

where the very till art of that is, the majority of the stuff they showed in the iphone sixteen event will be fully out in march, yes, six months after the announcement release.

yes, to the next. So basically all the iphone that are coming out now have I O S eighteen dot zero, which will be the same basically for everyone's iphone N S. everywhere. I O S eighteen out one, which i've been using a beta of is coming relatively soon. That has the first few apple intelligence features that only coming to iphone fifteen and sixteenth or fifteen pro k and sixteenth and 64 ah that's because they're built from the ground up with apple intelligence and they have a RAM and they can they are capable of these things。

yes. Can I just jump in there because you mention RAM? Yeah that seems like what i've been seeing and you can correct me on this, is that is really the RAM. That's the differentiator between this that the phones with a cakes of RAM and not so much the silicon is much different is that .

seems to be both. I mean, they definitely seem to know that you need more RAM to use and store and Operate a lot of these AI, these models on the device. So yes, the pros and non pros all have equations of RAM this year.

Typically, the past has spent like three eggs RAM on the non pro phone and six on the pro. And you know, great, you can play higher rain games. You can to have you more apps memory.

But now they all have eight o which is kind of something because now i'm like that's Better for the non proponent even if you never use everyone. But yes, you need that memory. And I think there's also improved neural engines on both ships to facilties running the models.

But because the. Chip in the iphone fifteen obviously works. It's fifteen per yes because IT .

has enough RAM and a powerful enough OK. So yeah eighteen out once gonna come out it's onna have like the writing tools um IT has the new theory animation but not so much of the new functionality, which is kind of funny. So it's like it'll do the rainbow glow or on the outside. But like you can see here, there's still things coming later. And I guess this is basically ranked on how difficult they are to make.

So the stuff that they know works pretty well, which is summarizing stuff, writing tools, new syrian animation things, those uh notification summaries, which honestly, I think i'm going to turn off pretty soon ah yeah because if you get a text message that's like twelve words long and then IT summarizes IT into an even shorter sentence and it's it's not actually that useful. But most of my notifications are not that long. If I get email, i'll just read the email like the subject line is enough the summary for me. So I just find the notification summaries aren't actually useful to me off.

I guess like in a sense, it's less trying to get the context of IT and more the context of like how urgent is this text message is is yeah in the summary like in that summary, if IT says like oh my god, mom in the hospital like yeah that is like something I want to hear but if it's just like, hey, mom was calling about visiting eight months from now and like when we could schedule like you like i'll save that for seven months from .

yeah the one time is useful is when you have a ton of messages from the same APP over time. So we do a podcast, we sit here, I go back out and the group chat was lit. There's eighty new messages. Then it'll try to summarize at all in like two sentences. I hope .

nothing ever summer as is our slide.

please read .

I summaries .

um yeah they are not what they look not great.

So I made a tweet about this and there is a lot of polar ized responses in terms of this, like when eline the timing of something coming up. And i'll totally agree that on twitter IT was a bit extravagant in my way early tweet um and maybe like a little over the top. Uh my biggest thing was just like six months later, which IT is from the time that this will be fully released if is in march, six months after september. Uh, a lot of people thought the math was wrong on that, but I think it's just because there is multiple different timelines of IT of different updates.

IT just feels like so much of the announcement was focused on this, including labelling the heart of the iphone sixteen as like this new A I and integration stuff a new syria and and what not that feels like halfway, halfway there is a very long time um and I think both sides of the responsible that I were getting were kind of like all over the place to like, oh, man, I think you'll survive without IT which I agree on I think everyone will survive without IT yeah but a lot of people being like apples totally done for this is like the nail in the coffee. I can't believe their waiting that long, which is also definitely that going um I just think half way through a lineup we run into so many people that like should I update to the next phone? Should I upgrade to the next phone? And that six months mark is like the legitimate differentiator of like well, how bad do you need IT now because we are now on the close your side next phone iphone out probably can even get the new one right now.

Yeah but when you're starting to get into the second part, the down to the descent of the roller coasters, yeah, it's a little more well, maybe you should wait. So this feels like a way year. Yeah yeah.

right. We know every year in september as a new iphone. So if I go head and recommend someone gets the phone because of apple intelligence and they don't get IT until six months later than IT feels like they could have just waited for the next phone yeah, that's the thought I yeah, I understand that.

Look, I we also know someone like every year who buys in I A week before the new one comes out like that. A lot of people just don't pay attention to that. So ah they're just after whatever they need when their phone breaks.

And I don't want to take away from people who are legitimately cited about all these new features and in their eyes, want to get them as fast as possible or even are really excited about the beta. I never like suggest people to download the beta, but you will be getting to try these things out faster, doing that. And for people who, you know listen to this podcast and probably are done letting beta, that's probably super fun.

yeah. But as a general hall, six month later on this if if like my like and or uncle was like, oh, I saw that awesome thing that's coming out on the new iphone. Should I get up to be well, you don't is not even all right now. You can probably wait.

Yeah the most interesting feature to me is like the fully finished upgraded theory, which I want to review apple intellects when it's done and maybe it's not too march so that I can make the video.

But the new theory, which is to like reach into apps and like do action for you and things like that and hopefully be more smart, conversational and maybe even multimodal and even know i'm it's been so long since i've heard this pitch from apple, but I I can't use that till february at the earliest in some. So waiting to see for sure. You know, it's interesting because that's a good side way.

We didn't have this on the outline, but in the pixel nine pro fold review, which should be probably coming out sometime around this podcast, is the question of should you buy a pixel now because of the hype that's already kind of bubbling up around the next tensor ship with the pixel ten? So pixel got tensor a little while ago, which was exciting because I was designed by google and they could have some some effect on not an off the shelf part and they could optimized for maybe more neural engine, whatever. But um it's still like made by samsung.

It's still not fully like three animal T S M C, like super high end. And IT appears that IT looks like they're finally going to have their own first fully custom ship with the next one, the tester g five chipper, whatever IT is in the pixel ten. And so i'm sitting here, i'm reviewing these phones like the pixel lines really good.

And I wonder how many years it'll be a really good phone. It's promised seven years of software updates and all that. And the pixel nine pro fold is like one of my favorite folding phones ever. And i'm genuinely very impressed with IT.

And the only thing stopping me from going yeah just I get this on it's great, is maybe the next one is a huge leap forward like closing the gap, to talk on being just as per efficient, way more battery efficient, like having all these other advantages. But we don't know yet, it's still kind of a rumor is sort of a background noise to these new phones. So that's something to keeping iron.

I think the fault or I guess you're think about all them. But like, yeah, if you're buying the folds, I would assume a lot of people purchasing folds expensive as they are, have the disposable income to potentially be upgrading every year. So like or you really are saving up for a while and you won't be buy another phone for a long time. If that's your case and we think that's going to be a significant upgrade, then maybe it's time to way. Um but IT seems really early to be saying, should I wait for the next picture that's been out for a month?

But that's the world on the street. There's like articles about IT like .

should you buy these ones here? Have we have you recall the where the phone isn't even out yet and people are saying, should I wait for the next one or iphone? People do like free iphone coming out. There are like .

road leagues. Now if people going like the dynamic islands gonna go, where this ports gonna go, like this is what's going to happen. Three iphones from now, people going like that.

That's well, yeah. So think it's all just sort of we don't know, we can't predit the future. This is just like looking into our foggy Christal ball and going yeah kind of looks like this might happen.

I want to say two more really quick things about this. Um one is if there is a company if there is one of the company is to trust that like these updates will eventually come out. I trust places like apple, google, samsung more than newer ones, but I still agree with if you're only looking for those things at this one, just wait till IT comes out and get the phone, then you'll still be a little get the phone then you might even hit a sale at some point um probably .

with its google you will .

hit a sale yeah yeah. My other thing is the reason I think being so much weirder with apple do this, I A lot of people think like google is on the samsung stone, that IT just feels less common for apple. But I think we're going to the point where this feels, you know, release the phone, shop a bunch of features in our face, and now we don't get alf them to later. Unfortunately, he is like the norm .

for kind of everyone. Oh yeah yeah. I mean, we've talked about before running extreme, especially with apple. It's been I think it's a camera future every year for like the last five years of iphone, there will be one camera feature that they go.

And this deep fusion mode is coming later this year, coming soon, whatever, and we'll have to wait for the next dot, one beta to go out. It's finally here. But they typically deliver on that promise.

And most air power infinitely ly never came out. They typically deliver on that promise. So hopefully that trend.

this is yeah just like the bigger the bigger thing that they spend so much time on really camera, future camera, like the deep end of the camera section, which is at, yeah cool. Alright, can I tell you about my new garment watch, or kind of that Adams here, because you would be help with me.

but you can tell me about that as long as I can tell you about this new SAT and black apple watch.

ultra kay cool will compare, right? So this is the garden phoenix eight. Yeah, it's a really interesting watching my eyes because I was previously using the epic genti. Actually, as I think someone drop to watch off at the door there, can you grab that for me, please? sorry. I forgot IT and I asked someone is like to bring IT over um so the last watch I used was the garden epix je tu, is this on? So wasn't the first watch they made that was Emily, but he was one of the like more stream watches they made that em, oh, I hope you turn on um and I love that I wore this thing on my wrist for like a year and half if you can tell by the severe and and but wash .

them yeah so IT was awesome.

A lot of stuff garment did wishes with like L C D or these like solar uh screens they have. So the resolution was super low quality. And despite having great battery life, you know, you sit in here and look at your apple watch enough times and you go well at this screen, I don't love big difference so em is great.

Phoenix was an all a different like they've had iterations of IT now what they kind of did and this was uh speculated at first but I did confirm with garden um they essentially merge these lines together so now the the epic is no more um so like the watch that I was using will not be a watch anymore um and phoenix s they basically just now offer an Emily selection within the phoenix s brand lineup. There is also a solar selection where the screen will not. He is good so I stuck with Emily.

Um I love this watch so much. It's such a great update. I think almost every aspect of is Better than epic. Um IT not cheap. This is a one hundred dollar watch um but luckily all the watch shops, the connection point is the same.

So I I literally use a to watch up my good old knock off trail loo p 5 x amazon next garment's watch bends are not create not a huge kind of them but um battery life is the same。 I'm getting two weeks uh with race to wake on. I like full brightness and plenty of like different activities and stuff is there always on available there is and you'll get knocked down to like a week six days, which is still pretty good.

So Better than every single always on is like three. So yes, it's like double that and always on but like IT has this this awesome flashing on the top right that's the brightest. You can you have a selector um on the side or you can do one and you can even do red which is sorry um which is great for if i'm trying to get into the lanes room and get something I want to go like secret agent you put the red .

on um how does I compared to this flash late? This is the actual flashlight on the upper watch. And if guys now in video is just a White screen, IT just turns the right all the way up and right White, which is find at night for finding my keys.

But this, that's what the epic was. Just a White screen comparison on market is camera that's like almost headache, like cheap head actual lain h yeah the screen is Better because the bezzle are slimmer. So these are both forty seven millimeters, but the actual, of course, isn't charge.

Now the screen size is way Better IT feels way snapp. Er and I can't tell if it's a refreshing thing or Better processor and just faster animations either way, that makes the epic feels sluggish. Um I think that looks fantastic.

I'm a little bombs that this that orange piece on the side is not a buying I thought was going to be an an extra action buying like the apple watch lger but this is just a mack phone um protector, I guess some protection piece for the microphone. Still pro accent colors though, I think that looks really good. Um the watch is great to use.

The batter lives amazing garment's watch faces need a lot of help when I look at apple watches and samsung galaxy watches and even pixel watches, they just like have such good watch faces and government doesn't and their third party ones um but I I even don't like a lot of them. And some people complain about battery drainage being worse on those which I don't like. Um my other issue with IT, if you are garden user, if you had an epic, the you have like a physical click on the buttons if you want to try um like that's a pretty satisfying click.

These are haptic feedback and I don't like IT as much. It's definitely much here yeah um but in general, big fan of this if you're OK with you know two hundred dollars more but I think if you're spending eight hundred dollars or nine hundred dollars on the epic, the two hundred dollars jump probably is in wild. I know a two hundred jump is wild, but at that Price ready possible .

yeah the higher the Price, more you can make the argument of two hundred .

fifty dollars yeah but yeah but the you know I think these things will last a super long time besides being a little beat up this thing range just like I did never really lost any battery life out of IT serve me super welfare almost .

two years and now I will see along this phoenix last me but big fan yeah um this one this is the same apple watch ultra but it's that's the whole thing for coming to my to yeah it's really what watch. Because I don't need any of the features on IT. And so now yeah, this is the ultra to no oxygen sense.

I don't think actually I don't know if that's in because you know how in the us. You can they can use that future anymore. I mean, he definitely doesn't have the future. I don't know if I was a hardware anymore.

I know nothing about supply chain, but considering managers to recover its proper would IT literally might be cheaper to continue, including IT rather than remind inside something, I believe that I would not doubt if he still has IT either way.

Uh, there is a whole much more to talk about because we had media connect to had a whole event today. So we're going to get to that after the break. But before we do that, you know, we have to do trivia.

Apple, we love talking about in the erp. Apple is a company that is really famous for not looking at your data, not selling your data, except they do kind of look at your data.

And um in what I can't say that went because that's the question but at some point in history crag got on stage at A W W C and said, hey, we're going to start looking at at your data and training A I on that and they call that policy differential privacy to say, hey, this is how we're going to look at your stuff and keep IT private. And I want to know when that was. And I accept one of two answers. I will accept the year that crag said this. I will also accept the IOS version of .

that .

included these privacy aggression, if you choose to use that term.

Now you said to train on A I was that actually what they said?

No, I feel like that wouldn't be official .

statement. This is a quote that they said on stage.

on stage, stage at dub, dub crags, said IT.

It's like one of those things around like is IT reason because they talked about A I or was IT so long ago before they were worried .

about talking about A I. They may have used the term machine learning. I'm not need to go to the dub dub and put the transcription. I mean.

either way, the question is in what you know Better or worse for mark ari, we're working on the same amount of information here. Yeah.

that would be incredible if you pull up the sound bite and played the clip of craig saying IT because that would that would be fun .

try to guess from, except might say, like in I O S playing.

Let me during the second segment, i'll see if I can and get ready for you. If IT helps though the four things apples have were only going to look at four things on your phone. Just four.

We're going to look at new words that you add to your dictionaries. We're going to look at which eo gees you use and how frequently so that we can make Better suggestions. We're going to look at deep links inside apps, and we're going to look at your look up hints within notes.

look up what's a look up pen.

I do not .

know what .

interest. Well, this sounds yeah sounds like something great would say what think about IT answers about and usual will be like that.

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I welcome back. We are going to go over medical nex twenty twenty four that happened today or we are recording a podcast earlier because we reported to podcast today. Um and we came in kind of tours the end of IT. But I tried to like look over a bunch of IT, read some great articles and let's over what they announced met many connect is always dislike this mix of like wow, that's super missing in cool and like, wow, that's really creepy and good.

Yeah, it's like it's their developer conference more. But in other developed areas that we typically think of, at least typically cover, it's like I O or W D C or something like that where the company makes hardware and software and has to connect the two and has platforms for developers to make apps for, like google or apple.

In the test case, they they don't make phones, but they do have platforms and they do have kind A I and and they have products that makes sense. They have these glasses and they have these headsets. But it's just a little different and it's also it's suck and it's like a mix of other a product categories that are a little just a little different.

In this case, anyone's upset that I call the crying zc was wearing a shirt .

that said, zc, nothing in.

I've know. Maybe it's an inside joke. I wasn't invited to the inside joke, so I will not like you. But anyways, they did anne some cool things.

I think one of the things they announce right off the bat is one of the cool things they announced, which was the cause quest 3s yeah um I think like the super til dir of IT is the quest to was pretty awesome。 Uh as as you know, the standalone V R device um which at a extremely affordable in the V R space like relative to V R space uh headset. And you know I think it's brought most of the people we know now who experience we are, it's been brought to them.

It's a lot of their first time experiences is easily .

the most successful way of doing that. But the problem quest three was a really good update but also had a two hundred dollar or I think there's a change to one IT was five hundred dollars, hundred box went watched so that there's something what the five hundred mark that toma, okay, this is like pretty expensive.

Yeah so with the quest three, yes, essentially what they announced and I think you can preorder IT by now at shipping october fifteen is something along the lines of this, like in between between the quest two and the quest three. Um where IT is the same processor is the quest three but IT looks like the lenses are different uh at the same resolution as the quest two, which is eighteen thirty two by one hundred and twenty per ee. Um but the quest to you know the resolutions pretty there. I never had a lot .

of problems. I first V, R headset. You won't really have other things to like visually, mentally compared to and proudly. impressive? no.

So like pretty much IT seems like matter has, you know, this is pixel pics away kind of stuff like that. You know, if you won top the line, not thinking about the quest pro because that feels like such a different item in general. But but having a retired is a retired quest pro. Did he ever tired?

But did I miss that is discontinued now.

Yeah, wow, that was fast. Okay, call. That was two years ago. I always saw that. Yeah, do you still years, years, Alice?

Do really, I bet, to be honest, I guess he says a lot about how I feel about I stopped using IT because someone took IT off my desk.

And once he was out of side.

I guess he was Better. Do we all need someone .

to do that with our tech products that we just can't let go? The things we use very little? Do we need some to just take IT off our desk so we can really decide? Or there's article.

but the quest three was so much Better than the question is like once the quest three came out, I was really hard to keep that thing on my desk .

and feel like anyway yeah sorry I ideal that a little bit but um yeah A A great Price point for this um um a couple of things they announce with the three S S meter horizon um is going to have windows support.

including multi screen support. So you can that we says string doors.

I think so because .

we said I was between the quest two and I think it's hundred dollars for this one.

Thank you, is a very good chance. I two thousand and nine great Price point. Um windows support multi chain support. They also introduced something called hyper scape where you can use up.

I forget if it's the headphone and mi actually be the had we can get a room and essentially bring IT inside to A V R space. So I guess other people can experience room with you pretty cool. Um but overall, I think what's the cool part about this is just accessibility because we little age where V R is not super accessible. Three logic still a lot, but there's way more of a chance now that one of ten people you know might have picked this up for some reason, which gives you that first look into V R.

Yeah that's really I think the most interesting thing about IT is this will be that many more people's first experience in V R. And I mean, it's met and now like they have so many different things that we're leaning into A V R N A R that that's their goals to be a lot of people's entry point into various versions of what you might call metaverse, whatever, but that the idea this this is probably going to lot of people's first ahead set. And it's not bad for what IT is. No, its same ship as they quest three.

They did also show us some like new metal horizon stuff, which had this like super carony zilla attacking a city and people shot like this b which is always just a fun jx opposition of them being a look at this multi window windows support and like, look how much stuff you can get done. And then also the sweet V R scape of fending off .

godzilla from a fac yeah the way demo these products i've always said, tells you a lot about how the company wants IT to be perceived or wants IT to be looked at. And like when you watch an apple vision pro, first of all, way more expensive, but they're doing mostly like productivity and messages and then occasionally shared experiences a little bit gaming then and then you watch one of these and their like grilled attack just hit a hundred million dollars revenue.

And this is the same game of like playing tag in this VR space, like it's a very they have to do of kind of everything with with the quest, they do the the gaming, they do the productivity, they do the the messaging, they do everything in the quest. And so if this is your first vir heads set, you will be introduced to all the things that you can do in of your heads set. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I also found the nuclear meta, right, do you .

glass and to do IT. Um I think if you just want to jumpstart in into that, I thought that was the cool announcement of the entire thing. Um clear tech is cool. A lot of clear tech is like it's clear for the sake of a looking cool, which I get. But some of IT is not showing the real inner workings but in a pair of glasses, at least from what IT looked like, it's impossible to have like fake interweavings. And so cool yeah like to seeing all the camera modules on the circuit boards and how at all creamed in there with the hinges and stuff like that is a really need like perspective but it's going to be weird if like you are wearing them and i'm just staring at how cool the glass are her face yeah .

I think couple people on stage how to boss might have to on I think a person before I had to moon like they look like interesting designer glasses I guess which which is need is just cool, clear tiger call. I agree. That's my, that's my not that hard.

Take the day. Clear title looks cool. I mean.

to talk about looking cool. One of the best things met a did with their glasses is partnering with the rave. And one of the most popular sunglass comes in the world.

That are the silver of them is just like the standard of sunglasses at this point. So yeah, that always looks good. The weird thing about any tech glasses is, do they look like tech glasses, or do they look like glasses? Um and rabbit or glasses speaking.

you do they look like tech lasses or do they like glasses? The last announcement was the big one, which is their project.

aria r glasses. Probably tly thing they announced.

yeah. So this is interesting every time I see another product, and this isn't even a product get, but every time I seen another announcement or tech demo like this, I always think back to google, like what google laass wanted to be. So iran air glasses are, they look like a thick pair of tech glasses.

They don't look like regular glasses can yeah but what's happening even inside that frame is super impressive. They are uh a bunch of projectors and a bunch of wave guides and essentially projecting visual elements onto the real physical world in front of you that you're still seeing through the lenses. Yes.

somehow through refraction, he went over IT so quickly. Hard really works. I kind of wish else was there when we were watching that part because he may have under. Study a little Better.

What is up even kind of like, uh, he didn't explain that. He kind of paraphrase at this from what I watch. He said it's a whole bunch happening with projectors and wave guy yeah and A R like it's a lot of technologies packed into the frame, which will enable tracking of real world elements on the actual physical world in front of you, which is amazing.

I want to try that. The reactions of the people that they gave IT to who got to try IT seem super call. I would love to actually experience and see what what feels like what google .

just wanted to be yeah for sure yeah what snap spectacles last episode who wanted to be um actually L I did see someone in the cloud wearing and .

they are cool looking.

You're still I think these look Better, but still are obvious.

I actually sorry, I am with the looks like I was doing work. If you had told me everything you just told me, like a year ago, I would have been like now it's B S, and I can't believe i'm citing them. But now that the humane pid exists, I believe IT like like that sort of projector technology is i've seen .

IT with my eyes.

yeah, that so many projector that can handle. So this is kind of funny. Like I as like a sad thing.

I do like projections for raves and stuff like that. And I was like this rave inside this, what was effectively a cave last weekend. I was like a revolution war era bunker. So a picture is like long, semi circular stone building. And the base was so intense that I would defocus the projector on every kingdom kind of look sick, I kind like, but yes, so it's like these things are really sensitive to vibrations of connected energy. And now that i've seen the humane e projector deal with IT so well, I know IT is in fact possible.

Yes, we got to see some pretty inner workings of the humane projector. And despite .

the product .

not being great, that project that so what think glass was like, there were tiny projectors in that this is a decade ago that would like be visible outside. You'd look up into this cube over your face, and you could see the directions or the weather. Whatever was shown you is crazy.

So one thing about that versus something I found really interesting, zaki g. Said in this, was so that was in like a cube, but was almost like a frosted cuba, where you couldn't really see through part it's more that I was part .

of your vision yes, goole glass was a floating M I clear yeah yeah yeah um but because of that.

like IT could project on IT Better because IT wasn't completely clear and with the outside world something they mentioned. And this was not only do does the person to be able to see through IT interacted the world, but what I found interesting was their chinese hard. They can to make sure people also can see your eyes as the none of orion user, because that feels more natural.

And and some of the clips they showed that kind of work. There is a lot of this blue glow going on because obvious ly projections are happening with inside the glass. And I believe this they're using refraction to be able to stick at in certain spots with within the projector, you know from the projector.

So you're still going to get this blue glow almost like it's almost like the real version of the like space style eyes on the vision pro um the like hazy blue eyes on IT. But I I i'd never thought about that like you need to think from the outside perspective of A R glasses if they're gonna something that you wear all of the time. He needs to not completely block you out from the outside words.

Yes, from both action. yeah. So IT is impressive that they got to this point.

I think it's uh, seventy degree field of view, which is almost double what the new snaps spectacles where I think there are forty eight. So that's Better, not great, but best in class right now. I guess if you consider anything that's not released, yes.

yes. So this doesn't sclater. These glasses will not be a product. There will be a dev kit that will be used to develop the next generation of what they will ship, which will be some future A R glasses. And I don't believe this at a i'm sure will get information at some point but this is not something you and just buy .

no um IT also has so as custom silicon order run IT something that I don't think they showed in there. But alex heath, I think of nozing right from the verge road, a great article about this who is also the one who wrote about the snaps, spectacles. So like he has direct comparison's between these two, mention that IT has this kind of like IT all looks like a battery bank.

IT is not connected to the glasses, but IT is where all the computing is happening. And IT needs to be within twelve y of the glasses or else they are just glasses. Um so you do need that the battery life that is two hours which for defecate fine.

That I mean, if we're talking about n game A R glasses, these are something you put on in the morning and you take around, he even talk about transitional lenses because like if these are things you are going to work of time, you don't want a pair. You don't need that to buy pair that are sunglasses and your regular glasses. They need to be able to switch between those.

So if you're if you want them to last all day, two hours is brutal. Yeah um other things they they announced is the way you interact. The voice A I like voice A I. You have hand tracking. You have eyes tracking. Now I also have something they're calling a neural interface, which is a bracelet, a bracket that the way they're describing this, I can't tell if they are like overselling IT or not um but essentially I think they claim measures like movements or something between the the muscles in your hands so you can just like move things like tap your fingers and move like a joystick on your thumb that can control IT pretty sure he does this once before .

they have showed off and very little k lips here and there yeah not of us have been able to try IT either. yeah. So it's a cool idea. But again, not something you and I just gna buy some day anytime soon. Alice from the verge.

did they worked pretty well. He said he was more impressed by with how well that work than the glasses themself.

which is cool. I remember I and I totally got to try IT and just suck, took IT off his rist and put in on mine. And so I was using IT.

And in briefly, we would mess up sometimes, like when is calibrated for IT works Better. So i'm sure that's part of IT too. Like that needs to be your size and IT needs to be like set up for the first time. sure.

So a lot of that yeah, i'm still not totally sure on how it's doing IT. If it's not just being able to tell like which I think these are called meta castles, the essentially the attendance that run from each finger because what is doing is yeah around your wrist, it's being able to tell which fingers are moving and how they're moving.

So tap you can use your them like you have a joystick um or you can like flick and do span and and anything like that yeah um but you can all do IT down by your side because there's saying no one wants to be inside of the grocery store, maybe asking some of the things that they're doing. Voice controller, you don't want to be the guy and when the vision proofs came out and everyone pretended they were doing things like while there crossing the street and um but yeah all of IT seems cool. Yeah he feels .

so far away from an everyday product. T V. D on the last being every product and how much would IT i'm just how much would you guess .

I wanted take a cost. What were snaps, chat, spectacles? Were was IT one ninety nine a month or nine for them to be for the developer kit? Because like almost twelve hundred a year, thank nine nine dollars per month and you have to commit twelve months.

So maybe it'll be something like that of a one time Price because the death kate does no Price.

Yeah I could see this being more expensive um yeah because IT seems Better than the snap spectacles in a lot of the suspects and just how they look yeah can I go over a couple other where is anything else on that you wanted to go over? Not that I was facing about this cool. I'm anna. Quickly run through a couple other small things they announced lama three point two uh met A I with voice you can interact with lama um um and made A I three your voice in a voice responses. They also showed this like really strange example of I don't I think the person works for like OpenAI and meta and like does some ted talks and stuff but he came out and they essentially had a like sand version of his face and then an A I trained on what he would say um and then talk to that person. IT was super uncanned valley and like some of you know what A I tries to respond, act Normal but you ask the question and all does is like some I repeat the question back and then I have the most blamed the answer ever yeah .

it's like when I try to ask, like I have a bunch of wasps in the studio just to give out the question was like that that sounds really spooky. Having a bunch of wasps in the studio, you should stay away from those like, okay.

it's pretty much like what my google home says with like a little bit like the worst writing ever um so yeah, that was weird. I didn't love that. I don't know why they keep trying to do this.

Like people you recognize animated faces talking to you like with the whole thing they cancelled with like mr. Beast and uh wasn't like some baseball player. I don't know all those celebrities.

I don't know what they keep trying to do this, I think weird um they also invited the rabbin metal glasses. Uh, there is a translation thing. Uh, they were showing the example as spanish to english or english to spanish and markers talking with somebody else.

IT was fast and impressive, but IT made me realize that no matter how fast and impressive life translation is, there's one always going to be the awkward pause of things catching up. And when it's going super fast and I can like start translating while i'm still finishing my thought, I felt we're hearing two voices going at the exact same time. And if you're only focus on one language you can understand, maybe it's easier to pick that out.

But I feel like that would be this ending here, two streams of consciousness. late. Yeah that's a lot of .

these translation experiences. I'm sure they're trying to work on that but that's one thing I ve never thought about is hearing a different language version .

of yourself as you're talking yeah um other really quick things on there um for the uh the voice system on the glasses you don't have to say anymore hey made a look and blank do this now you can just say hey matter um presisely but way Better.

And I think one of the best things they launched is they're partnering with be my eyes, which is a program that helps with people who have visual be able to see things in front of them by, I believe it's an APP where you can connect and show somebody inside of the APP something on your camera and a person on the other side can help tell the visual impact person what that is being. That right side of glasses is so much easier and awesome. Um so I think this will be a huge accessibility feature that probably will be over little, but I thought I was potentially one of the best announcements they had today.

nice. So that's yeah that's basically the high level overview may connect going to the stuff but until then, those are our thoughts yeah .

is a wire that I want clear glasses but I don't want all the tech side of IT. But then IT won't be fun. But they don't have like a bunch of computer chips inside.

You buy clear with like non working computer parts inside, just school. But then people I think i'm recall and we saying I was the older recd a little to that's a tough the tough situation I sympathy, which like a break, and we're got a little more after that. But we have trivial questions.

All right, today's trivia question. Number two, today's second trivia question is the realistic way to say that is going to divide our audience in half, because about fifty percent of people who hear this are going to say, how do you not know the answer to this? You are more on and the other who are going to say, I literally have never thought about this once in my life I don't know the .

answer can we take guesses on which one Marks I are before we are the question?

Um I think we all know I think this is going to be a mark z is like, realistically this is a David would be like, how do you guys not know this is a Andrew? You're going to be like I never once thought about this. And mark z, mark z is the the the slender oval in the center of the van diagram. Um but what does lama actually stand for?

I definitely know we have talked about IT have IT, I believe so maybe .

I I look up what is stood for because I didn't know.

I can't remember if this is one of those situations were like dally is kind of like a mix between just two.

This is an acron.

Yeah, I lost.

thanks. Well, half you already are streaming answers into your phones. Another half are kind of wondering and maybe taking about this more. So that's what all do, all that after the break.

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I feel like we're in this stage of we don't know what we're trying to call them. I feel like physical transparency .

almost works that a more like about SONY link before we've had bones are really interesting in the studio. And I just feel like open back is having a little subtle rena's ance right now, like I ve used open back senior eighty six, fifty at my desk for video editing for years now.

And open back for those describes like a can over the year that has like literally a mess on the outside, like the driver is like you can see through the headphones essentially. And so that means I can hear everything outside me in the room, and the drivers are in front of, are outside my ears and playing down into them. So it's like transparency mode.

But then transport mode came after that. yes. Transparently mode was I got noise cancelling, had phones that have microphones on the outside.

So it's like the apple vision pro of open back. Yeah it's not really my eyes. You're seeing practical, transparent yeah and now we're getting these these real physical transparency themed devices.

But it's just is I think is interesting anyway, the year open are basically that it's like this a silicon architect es over a year, and then IT holds and hovers the bud right outside of a year. So the idea, again, what these is actually plugging and sealing your ear so you can still here everything around you. So if you're biking or running or walking outside, you can hear the taxi. You can hear the bicycle as you can hear everything around you, but also your music or your podcast at the same time.

yeah. And because the way most your buds taken our ear outside of wing tips is the actual insert. So even like the other pod s not silicon if they don't fully plug here, there's still the majority of the year these don't go into yeah so and the way that alone is because of the stick the the bendy part over your year that goes into the back of your year, they kind of like uh hearing, like older hearing is maybe um or like if ever worked at a restaurant and the managers have there like ear peace Walker talkies that are super cheap. This is what those look like.

But of a cooler did remind me more of so the SONY linked buds I used to love a lot. And that was essentially truly wireless earbud that then had a donor attach to arrive. And so the the speakers fired sound through the outside of the donor.

And there is a direct whole into your, you can yeah, now SAT inside of your here. Then we had those N W M headphones that were just over your headphones, completely empty of the back, looks crazy. The both ones kind of .

clipped onto the side, under the side like still can hover over your year. But again, you hear your environment. Yeah they're all interesting, unique ways of doing the same thing.

Yeah, I think philosophically, it's really interesting that like, I guess this can exist on inside each other like full physical transparency and transparency mode digitally can exist outside each other. And maybe one glow is be more expensive than the other. But IT IT feels like I don't know.

Are are, are we always going to have both? Or is transparency mode in the more expensive ones going to win over and be everywhere? I don't know yet. I hope so.

I mean, because I can also offer other benefits like attend using super, super loud noises or or just letting you lower the entire audio level of the concert you're at or the rave that you're doing lights for. So that is a benefit to the transparency mode being digital. But I don't yet definitely be cheaper not to do that as much .

as I love all these different options. That was a huge fan of the world. But I think it's pretty obvious that in an ideal world, the pair of earbuds that can do both is the Better option.

Like transparency mode, elbows with transparency mode will they're gonna have noise cancelling. These physical transparency modes have literal no option to ever have noise selling. Yeah um so actually I so I was looking at his headphones. He has the weird that of all .

of them were the .

semi open back the like open back soundscape while being closed. They all are.

I yeah because the the other advantage to open back is this wider sound stage that you get from not having these enclosed little systems over years. But the H T H two thousand eight hundred ds are very open back this eight.

The eight hundreds were open back.

The eight hundred hundred and eight were open. This, I think that's eight, twenty s or something. Either way.

They added like glass on the outside, so it's open back and then also kind of close back, but with a transparent glass. So IT looks open back, but also still kind of seals the sounding and sounds close back. You can't really hear much of what's outside. It's interesting. I was my first C S.

The H D.

It's eight twenty ah are currently retAiling for one thousand nine hundred ninety five dollars and ninety five cents in iraq. And they sound great.

H your your title was twenty four hundred and one, so they went down and race for you. Baron amazon .

going for seventy, ninety nine. If you wanted buy that or a folding phone, you can choose wisely anyway. Yeah, I think it's resting. I think I may make a video on the um all of the open back things happening because there's this just a lot. Check out what if adam was there .

that day too probably .

was that this is from that sales. I'm sure adam s putting in his bell .

of him trying them.

Yeah, yeah. Love that. sorry. We we went out there little.

I think, a video that would be really cool. I would love to specifically here this scenario. I personally liked to the links buds because wearing them at the climbing gym was like there's something about climbing on a wall where someone could potentially walk under you or just be nearby um we are being able to hear, I think is beneficial so and I want to trust hearing. So I used to wear them climate all the time yeah.

I just wanna that one thing and here that this is just like I I audio mad, I audio guy, I mad which is that I constantly seen the discussion of like open verses closed back headphones. People saying, uh, open back headphones have a wider sound stage um that's not true. There's like if i'm wrong, please acoustic explain me why i'm wrong.

But it's the way the way when you have two years, right? Yes, you can hear in three sixty degrees these two things to line up. That's because the way we perceive with and directionality is in the difference between what are two years here.

So if you made one of the ear cups open and the other one closed, IT would affect the way we perceive the sound. But if you're just going from open to close back, headphones IT shouldn't sound wider or narrowed at all. I I agree. I think .

soundstage is the wrong word to describe, but we're actually noticing, which is just the feeling of openness and closed, which can feel larger, smaller just depending on what cause the drivers don't move further from your ears or sound like they are further away. It's just when you cover, they sound different.

They will not just that they sound different, but you're actually going to have some frequencies bouncing off that interior wall of the headphones going back in. And now all the sun, you've created either peaks in the form of residences or you've created comb filtering troops in the same way that sound bounces around a room. So there is an argument vate that, yes, you can feel like you're in a larger space when you listen to open book head phones, but don't come to me being like their wider. Yes, I will be different.

I just, I loved my open back headphones because if you live with someone and play video games at high volume when they come up and trying get your attention, like tap on your shoulder when you're in the middle game, IT is terrifying. So I like to hear when clare walks up behind me and not be my pants.

Yeah that is also a really good using to transparently. Cy, exactly.

Um okay, I have one more thing I want to talk about. There's a new pod test out and it's by alex golden from reliable. We have talked about reply so many times as a cast. I honestly don't think we form exists without reply. Al um IT was the first like podcast that I listen to like all of the episodes in a backlog and every single week um before that cereal was like a small series that I listen to the reply I was like the first big podcast I get super into you might be the same the .

first pocket ever subscribed .

yeah um I used to be really good IT obviously had an unfortunate controversy and shut down um our scold men has been kind of M I A since then. He's amazing music which is pretty good but um he started a new podcast called the hyper fix podcast two pilot episode released this month um and they one hundred percent in my mind scratched the age of like I S reply oh so do you remember the segment in reply all where was like i'm sure he's not super pumped that i'm compared that anyone's comparing IT to his old show some yeah yeah do .

remember super tech .

support the series yea segment come .

to him with like interesting unsolved mysteries in their tech world and he tried to investigate them deeply as so this is .

essentially that with just wider premature if IT isn't not to be inside that specifically. Um so people come to him with a problem. He the goal of each episode is to either solve that problem or come up with one step towards the problem that the person is like gratified by enough.

They like set that parameter early first, opposes are good. It's about learning how to drive when you're older and helping people back between the U. S.

Imperial system where we make with volumetric uh, measurements and. The metric system were they, uh, do by mass a, which sounds like such a simple thing. IT is not.

There is a bunch of fascinating, like trivia, almost, that you learn from IT. I thought both them migrate. They were like thirty each IT feels like gold reply all I I missed alex a lot. He's doing a great job already. And IT fully launched in november, I believe so I can't wait.

Got IT. okay. I I think I will be probably subscribing party .

to highly suggest yp fix. How many times in this episode have I rambled on about something and not included the most at .

the very beginning when you set up pretty fast and I heard hyper fix? So just want people to hear the e at the end, hyper fixed. Thank you. That's the me .

exist without you keeping us on track and get well.

that's about IT for this week, which means without any further to do, let's get some query questions wrong, baby.

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that's what was surprising to me. yes.

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what question number to its okay, it's been to a long day here at the studio. Question number two, what does lama stand for?

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It's tough. I was hoping all of us would be at the same points so that the trivial travel za was an hour and a half long episode fighting for one singular point.

I think I I was a way for two episodes, and in the last two episodes that when you are gone, all of them wrong. So spent at least five weeks since i've got to a point.

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I think that will do IT. That has been, uh, fun episode, way form per usual back for regularly scheduled programing, of course, but also actually this was a regularly schedule, which is probably a hint that we will be deviating from a regulatory programing at some point soon. You will see you already know it's .

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So if you ever wake up on a friday morning and there's no way for episode, just go to your nearest bomb shelter, like gone term plan.

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