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I think I'm going to watch this movie. Ha ha ha!

What? What? What?

What's so funny? What was the thought process that made you want to watch this movie? Because I've never heard you say those words. You always end up watching a movie. I googled it to see what the budget was. I pulled up the Wikipedia. I saw the budget. I saw that the score was by Hans Zimmer. And I saw the trailer, or the poster again, and it looks cool, and I think I want to watch this movie. So you were sold by Hans Zimmer. The whole reason that statement was really funny was... Everybody started laughing. I was going to watch that one movie.

What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques and I'm David and I'm Ellis. What? Yeah. So Ellis, first of all, welcome to the side of the board. Good to have you.

Video watchers have now already figured out that that means Andrew's not here. Adam is holding it down over there, which means we'll have some surrogate Andrew opinions, but I will bring them to you. I could try to be Andrew. Well, I know he gave me some things that he wanted to be on the pod, so. I don't think I can name all the planets. Yeah. So Andrew's here in spirit. But don't worry, we still have some Apple rumors, some Tesla talk, RoboTaxi stuff, and also a whole bunch of nothing.

That's right. To talk about. A lot of nothing. But not the kind of nothing you think that the real nothing, the something nothing, the nothing that is a thing. Yes. It is a couple of things. You can make calls on it. One of them, arguably. Both of them. Yeah, kind of. Technically. By proxy. It's going to be a good time. But first, pour one out for another Google product.

It's a bit of a running theme where every time Google retires a product, we recognize it on the podcast, sometimes involuntarily. But this time, Google Keep on the Apple Watch. Why would they do this to me? What? To me specifically. Did you use Google Keep on the Apple Watch?

So what man? Okay, every time they kill a thing that Google Keep is related to it's one more step out the door for Google Keep. This is true. And they keep integrating Google Keep into Google Tasks and then that into Calendar. But I have to say when Google Keep got kicked off the Apple Watch guess what got added to the Apple Watch? What is that? Google Calendar.

They just added a Google Calendar Apple Watch app. Why would they do this? I have no idea. Why would they kill keep and add calendar? So maybe they just, the person who's in charge of Google stuff on the Apple Watch like woke up and was like, wait a minute, I should probably add Google Calendar but also keep. My conspiracy theory, which is not going to come true,

unless i will into existence which i hope i don't is that they're going to kill keep but then like integrate keeps features in the calendar what in a calendar calendar why not be into tasks oh i was going to say yeah but tasks is like part of calendar now too yeah which is also part of tasks is things you do calendar is things like your places you are and things you do yeah so

But then Keep is things you need to remember. Quick Notes. Yeah, Quick Notes, basically. Is that what Keep is for? Yeah, it's like the Apple Notes app. It's Notes. But it's so much less powerful and I yell all the time on the internet about it. Then why is it when you put an image in a Google Doc, it does not back it up on Google Drive anywhere. It always...

it automatically uploads it to Google Keep. And it's very annoying. Yes, when you drop an image. So if you drop an image into a Google Doc and you think, oh, this is great. My document has an image now. Yeah, the producer will easily be able to download this image. And then the producer goes, that's weird. I can't right click and download this image from a Google Doc. Oh, but I can view it in its Google Keep location. And then you go to Google Keep. And guess what Google Keep also does not have?

A backup button? A download button. Weird. It is so infuriating. Then you have to right click it and open in a new tab and then you can download it. For that reason, thank you other producer. For that reason, I literally cannot wait to piss on Google Keeps Grave. I swear. I am so excited for this service to get discontinued.

They just need to make it better. We're not friends anymore. It's a good service. It's not. There's no download option, but there is a save to keep option. Yeah. And then that opens up in your sidebar in Google Calendar. Save to keep. And then you can open it up in a new tab. The only thing that I use keep for is when you save. That's actually literally one thing. When you ask Google Home to add something to the shopping list slash grocery list, it makes a new item in a Google Keep item. Not Google Tasks. Not Google Tasks. See, this is my thing. Yeah.

There's a lot of overlap here. Yeah. And I think going grocery shopping is a task. It could easily be a task.

Well, going grocery shopping, but what about the things you need to shop for? Those should be items underneath the task. Which is what I do in Google Keep with the checkboxes. Yeah. Yeah, but if you're going to multiple shops and you want to have like a header that breaks up the checklist, you know, like, oh, at Costco, I got to get this. At my local grocery store, I got to get this. At the farmer's market, I got to get this. You cannot do that in Google Keep. They're all checkboxes. You can't just like break it in the middle. You got to make multiple keep notes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Well, yeah. Very annoying. Okay, but I still think that Google Keep is more useful on the Apple Watch than Google Calendar is. Google Calendar is like a whole, a giant calendar. Yeah, okay. I think I see what you're coming for. It's a lot. It's big. It's like, you can't look at your whole month on your little wrist thing. You can see what's coming up next, though. It's probably a weekly view. Yeah, but Google Keep, you got little check boxes and you can be, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. When you're going grocery shopping, boom, boom, boom. Yeah. You would check them off on the watch? I could. I could.

I don't use an Apple Watch. If I did, maybe I would. You're pretty mad about this for someone who doesn't use an Apple Watch. Because every time they kill something related to Keep, it's one step closer to the whole product dying. It's just another warning that someone remembered it exists. They'll replace it with something else that's bad. It'll be fine. It's good.

okay google keep has so much potential yeah it's just being held back by arbitrary weird decisions yeah pretty classic welcome to google yeah speaking of uh large brands

Remember like a week or two ago, this might have been two weeks ago, that I asked the question, how did they make an F1 movie with a whole bunch of real company names all plastered over the cars and the helmets and the jerseys and stuff? Yeah. And we got the answer, which is Apple, they produced this movie, they sold sponsorships of these actual companies who paid to be in the movie and have their logos on the car, on the helmet, on the car.

on the suits. This is so smart. So they made millions of dollars of just branding to have realistic jerseys and helmets and cars, but also to help pay for the movie. Just like Real Life 1. Smart. I think it was the first Avengers movie or something, but they just had a long shot of a billboard that just said Coca-Cola. And they had a truck that was driving by, and it was following it the whole time. It was just like Coca-Cola.

I think this makes more sense because you would see these brands in the real world on these cars anyway. So it makes a lot of sense to just like, let's swap them to have people pay us. Isn't this a thing normally just in movies regularly? Like you can pay for product placement. Oh, this Pepsi can over here, whatever. How much more do you think they charge to be on this versus just like a passing car? I have an answer for you.

I have an answer for you. The article says they made $40 million from all of the brand placements that are specifically involved with the F1 teams in the movie. And the movie costs about $200 to $300 million, so they literally made back. Yeah, a good amount. Yeah, like a good amount. Sheesh.

Wow. So this is the first surrogate Andrew opinion interjection where he wanted you all to know about the Wayne's World product placement scene. Have you guys, have you heard of this? No. I've never seen Wayne's World. It's a movie with, it's like a minute straight of obvious product placements. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, as a joke, right, yeah. As a joke, but also probably could have also paid for the movie. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

Do you know the inverse of this from a movie? I can't remember if it's in a movie called Repo Man or a movie called Repo Men. I think it's Repo Man. I think it's Repo Man. I think so. It's David Lynch, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? Right? Now you're making... Okay, it is David Lynch, right? I don't know what's real anymore. Who directed Repo Man? There's a movie called Repo Man that is from at some point in the 20th century that I saw a long time ago, but they did not want to go through the hassle of...

of doing product placement deals. And so every product in the movie is plain white packaging with black all caps texts that just says whatever product it is. So if a character cracks a beer, it is a white pan that in black bold text just says beer. Is that not how Severance is shot as well? Severance is a slightly different flavor where the art department had to make every object from scratch. So there are no like

time dating objects yeah exactly but there are no brand labels period in that movie this is like a yeah except for lumen but this is a little bit more like wow spoiler goofy goofy like for example there's a scene where a character goes into his fridge and pulls out what looks like a can of beans and just starts like eating it straight from the can beans on it just says food is that like tongue-in-cheek on purpose yeah yeah okay got it it's a goofy movie

It's not the Goofy movie. I was going to say. Is it an extremely goofy movie? No, it's just a regular Goofy movie. Yeah. Is it? You know what's funny? This is a video. I don't know how long ago I saw this video, but about how YouTube videos have to disclose product placement. Yes. Especially when you're paid for anything. Yeah. Movies don't. Correct. Yeah. Which is why we had to find out via an article that Expensify, Geico, Tommy Hilfiger, all these companies were in.

How is that still true? Or why is it such a big difference? It's two totally different governing bodies. It's one's the internet, one's movies. I think about that all the time. And I... That's Gemini. As much as I'm a butthurt content creator on the internet who's like, me, me, me, why do I have to go through all these hoops? I do understand that no one is watching...

No one's watching Brad Pitt in this movie. I really hope it's actually Brad Pitt. I get him and Matt Damon mixed up all the time. It's Brad Pitt. You get it. No one's watching Brad Pitt in this movie and thinking like, wow, Brad Pitt is a real race car driver who really, really likes Expensify. Whereas when people watch us...

I'm not saying that we're super duper passionate about every ad read we've ever done, but it is us telling you directly to buy something. So you shouldn't be able to see me going like, damn, Ellis really loves Skittles. Every video he's putting them back, man. When in actuality, like...

I actually don't like Skittles that much in real life. Anyway, this is going way off the list. That's a valid point. I just feel like I could blur that line a good amount. If there was a superhero...

that everybody loved in a movie that's obviously not real, but it's a superhero, and the superhero always drives a certain type of car. Like, maybe say, like, let's just make up a name, James Bond or something like that. And he always drives the same type of car. Always wears the same kind of watch. And I just feel like that would be, while it isn't a personal endorsement, it still has the same just level of, like,

inspiring people to purchase the product here's yeah but that's like a partnership more so isn't it sure but you know it's just that example of like yeah they don't have to disclose that that's paid for if a company paid to be the product that the superhero likes in the movie they don't have to destroy that it's even though I don't think Aston actually pays for that I think it's like so baked into the brand I just made that one up that's a I made up a company

made up James Bond movie. But go on. Go on. It's a random name. Yeah, I just made like Bond. My buddy James. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. But no one... Wow, that was so funny. I totally lost my train of thought. Do you want to hear Gemini's answer for why this is the case? Okay, so apparently...

people are supposed to have an understanding that things in movies are fictional. And paid for. And paid for. So it's saying that when a character in a movie is using a product, it's like that character is not that person. So you are not being like, oh, I trust this person. Whereas the reason on YouTube is that because it is a real person saying a real thing and it's not assumed to be a fictional character. But what if I had a comedy skit?

Yeah, I mean, it gets dicey. And also, how come Apple's allowed to sue if the bad guy uses an iPhone if it's implicitly fictional? I don't know if they can actually do that. However, I do have a thing I wanted to mention about that specifically because my friend Caleb is a VFX supervisor on movies, so he goes and he helps them frame the shots so it's easier to do the supervision stuff. Nice. And he says that specifically

They do worry about Apple getting mad at them. So they always make sure to like they have to like perfectly mask the UI and like make sure that it's a little different logos, especially. Yeah. Whereas with Android phones, they don't worry about it at all.

And I asked why. I was like, is that a legal thing? And he's like, I don't think so, but we just are more careful with it because Apple's more scary. I think it has to be a legal thing. Like, what else could they be scared of? You're a movie producer. You have no relationship with Apple. You show Apple in a movie and Apple gets mad at you. That just is code for a lawsuit, I think. I don't know. I think Apple is such a big company that's involved in so many different industries that

That Apple and China book, a lot of that book is companies doing things just because they're scared. Like no reason other than like Apple could bankrupt us and literally not think twice about it. And so even if we're not like legally exposed, like there's no point in trying to go. This is what he exactly said. He said the iPhone has to behave like an iPhone would in reality. So no skins of any different brand or.

or anything everything has to be exactly exactly accurate and I said is that something that Apple mandates somehow and he said yes I've had to do so many shows that we had to recreate graphics for iPhones to the T and I said how do you how do they have even have the right to force that and he said well it mostly has to do with legal departments for many different companies covering their bases I've never had to stick to stock Android for any phone because they just don't care

Sounds right. It sounds like Apple cares and no one else cares. That sounds like what I bet you Google could sue if they wanted to, but they're just like, why? You misrepresented the pixel. Meanwhile, they're just like, they use the pixel. That's funny. Yeah, that's probably all fair. Yeah.

Well, you know, now we know how the brands got into the F1 movie. It's crazy. I mentioned before the show, I think I'm going to see this movie. Yeah. I'll probably like watch it on a plane or something. Now everyone knows what Expensify is. Yeah. Yeah. Do they? I didn't watch the movie, so I don't know. I don't know. Adam and I used Expensify at Android Authority. We used it. Oh, what does it do? Yeah. Careful, you might endorse it. I know. That's what it sounds like. Yeah. Yeah.

I think there's like a thousand different apps that do this now, so they're probably not that special. But it was pretty innovative at the time. It was like business expenses and stuff. Basically, you take a photo of a receipt from like a business expense and it would automatically like parse it. There's an article here that says Expensify capitalizes on F1 movie sponsorship to boost user growth and expand international product features. Is that written in Expensify? No, it's a Tribune article. It's a real article. I'll put it in the Slack. It's really happening.

Also related to F1 before we get off the topic. Whoa, David with an F1 update? No, no, sorry. Not related to F1, related to the movie. Okay, got it. Yeah, like I would give. Anyway, so we talked about the vibration. I talked about this off the podcast too, but I just want to say this on the record so people can scream at me on the record. The vibrational trailer that everyone was super hyped about. Just go buy a Sony Xperia XZ2. It's great.

Actually, it's XZ2, David. That's true. I was going to make the joke, but it's actually six years ago that that phone came out. I thought it was longer, to be honest. It was curved in a way where it slipped off of everything, and then when it would vibrate, it would just slide around. The most obvious consideration for a phone that vibrates. It was not the greatest...

Shape. I mean, Xperia phones, that sounds about right. I just, and we were talking about this before. I just think it's funny because at the time when that came out, it has this vibrational, it has this giant vibration motor that can, I guess, like parse the waveform of any audio source. And then it sort of vibrates to that. And everyone was like, all right, including me.

And then this comes out and everyone's like, wow, a vibrating trailer. Yeah. There was just certain. Come on. There was a couple of phones that did that, I think. I don't know if HTC BoomSound did this, but there was like an LG phone that would also like have the phone vibrate to whatever the bass frequency was. Yeah. If your song had like a bass line, your phone would. Yeah. It was a thing. We used to live in God's country where every phone that would come out would have some really bad gimmick. And I loved that.

I mean, to be fair, this Apple trailer was also still a gimmick. Yeah, it was. Yeah. But iPhone users, it's been a while since I've seen a gimmick like that. That's true. They were really into it. Hey! Yeah. Image Playground ain't that old. Touche. Fair enough. Is it really a gimmick if not a single person has ever used it? Isn't that what makes it a gimmick? I haven't even tested it. Maybe I've tested it. I've opened it, I guess. It mainly shows up in YouTube videos, and then once in a while people use it as a joke, I think.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, speaking of cars, speaking of jokes, that was a good segue. Come at me. Speaking of cars, that was good. Thank you. Um,

Tesla did, in fact, deliver the first car from the factory fully autonomously. I will eat my words. I don't remember exactly what I said on the last podcast, but I think some of us agree that they would not do that on time, but they did. They did it a day early. Yeah, they did it actually before they said they would. Mm-hmm.

My main two things, one is like, okay, this is cool. They had like a route, they had a customer that was somewhat near to the factory, so they just had the thing drive through the plant, out the door, and just to the customer's house. That's impressive, objectively speaking.

And he wasn't living at the factory. Right. Some distance from the factory. But two is, while that is a really impressive tech demo, because we see these all the time, do we actually want that? I thought that when buying a car, you'd maybe at least want to inspect it first, and if it's got any blemishes, maybe something scratched it or something, you would want to not get it delivered. Isn't this a big thing with Teslas? Yeah. Yeah.

Do you want it to just show up at your door one day and it's like, there's your car? I also wonder what the legal stuff that becomes because generally you don't have to take ownership of your car until you say, okay, there's no problem. Yeah, you sign some paperwork. But what are the legal implications if it drives itself to you and then it gets like scuffed up by like rocks that hit it on the road? Yeah, you probably signed the... I think you probably...

In this case, as a total guess, you probably sign all the paperwork before it leaves the factory, and then you agree to the conditions of this delivery, which are if anything happens between the factory and your house, then... How do they prove it happened between the factory and your house? I mean, I'm sure there's someone like... You know when you rent a car, you walk around, you take pictures of it all around? Yeah. I'm sure there's someone there doing a quality assurance check, and then be like, yep, this one's good, send it out the door. I'm not saying it's like, oh, no, this is horrible, but there are some interesting questions that we had when you have this new paradigm. Yeah. Yeah.

It's also, you know, this is every like thing that happens in the self-driving world. There's always a question of scalability, which is why, you know, people freak out about geofencing. It's like it has to be everywhere, like this sensor versus that sensor. This is, to me, just a tech demo because this only scales to people who live near factories, which is theoretically. Yeah.

Unless they're going to charge themselves, which they don't. Or have enough range to drive like 200 miles. So if you live within 200 miles of one of the Tesla factories, then this is cool. But obviously that's not a ton of people. I mean, it was definitely more of a tech tech. I mean, you don't think they could like...

send it to a Tesla delivery area, like a Tesla... Like, ship it there and then have it drive to you. Yeah, like, ship it there and then the last mile, let it do its thing, drive it to you, you know? Yeah, but they could do that already. That last mile is the hardest part. So, like, if you just ship it to, like, where the delivery showroom is and then have it drive away from there, then you're like...

That is true, but I think they could do that already. I think the big deal about this was no one ever sat in the car or drove the car. It was just autonomously through from the end of the assembly line to the person's house. Yeah. Which, again, is super impressive, and it went well on no incidents, and that's great, but it's more about the scalability, I think. For sure. Also, what happens if your car gets pulled over on the way to you and you get your new car with tickets on it?

I mean, I don't think the cop is going to know what to do if no one's in the car. That would be unless it starts happening way more. Starts making illegal lefts. Has Waymo ever been like ticketed? I don't know. I'm sure they got like parking tickets or like parking violations. It's got to happen. I wonder if you've gotten like a driving violation.

Like rolling through a stop sign and the cops like chasing it through the street. That was a yield. The cop walks up to the car and he goes, uh, can I see your license and registration please? And it's like, bing, bing, bing. The window rolls down, nobody's in the car. I have no context, but I am currently on Reddit watching a police body cam of a window driver's. So... Driving on the wrong side of the road. So he walks up to the car and talks.

Oh, because there's a person on the phone in the car. Oh, so it notices when it gets pulled over. This is not, we can't determine anything real. I have no context for this video. But that is pretty funny. That's pretty funny. That would be a good way to handle it, though. Like, if it notices it's getting pulled over, just, like, call a Tesla employee and have them talking over the speakerphone. Well, it seems like that's what Waymo does. Yeah, yeah, that's smart. So funny. Okay. Google would think of that. Life hacks. It reminds me of, like, a super old video where Tesla had that self-parking feature, and then they had, like, a...

A skit video that they put on their YouTube channel. Have you seen this? Where like a cop attempts to give it a parking ticket and so it just pulls out and goes to another parking space. And then they try to give it another ticket and it just pulls out and goes to another parking space. It was kind of a joke, but it was also like these cars park themselves. Imagine if they just kept reparking themselves. It was funny at the time, okay? I thought it was cute. Yeah. Meet at the zoo. You know, it would have been more funny if...

the CEO of that company wasn't doing that in real life with more serious laws, maybe. I don't know. There are laws. I'm sitting in Andrew's seat. I don't think I could name all the laws. Every time we talk about cars, people yell at us, but you know what they don't yell at us about? Oh, baby. Never, not once. Never, yeah, never. Trivia, baby. Not yet. No one has ever gotten mad about a waveform trivia segment. Guys.

From the big table right here. Don't look at my computer. You might see the answer. Oh, yeah. I mean, Adam could ask the first trivia question, but I wrote it. Yeah, it's his question. Let him have it. Okay. Yeah, let me have this, guys. Yesterday was my birthday. Yesterday? Happy birthday. Yeah. I'm sorry. It's okay. I'm sorry.

You didn't wish him happy birthday? No. David, in your defense, when I texted you last night, I texted you at 1230 a.m. So it was after my birthday. Yeah, I was in London. It was 530 a.m. for me. Anyway, guys. Reasonable doubt. This first question is an F1 sponsorship question. Ooh. Yes. And it's not any of the basic ones. Yeah.

Exactly. As an internet content creator, I am recording. No. It's not going to be any of the basic ones. It's not Mission Winnow. It's no barcode. It's none of the... I don't know any of those words. None of the goofy ones. This is a real deep cut. Guys, which of the following chart-topping musical acts had their logo on an F1 car during a Grand Prix race? A. Smash Mouth. B. BTS. A.

C, ABBA, or D, Coldplay? It's between two to me. Which two? Or maybe don't say. Yeah, which two? I don't want Marcus to know. I have a hunch, but I don't know exactly. But, you know, answers will be at the end, like usual. What's that band that Steve Jobs was obsessed with and, like, forced everyone to listen to Coldplay? U2. U2's cool, man. U2 and Coldplay are, like, the same band. I was afraid we were going to get an all of the above. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Say it again. I just said it. What did you just say? You said U2 and Coldplay are like the same band? In my brain, yes. U2. They're the same band. One of the most famous. Coldplay is also famous. I know, but. David, I'm with you. U2 is famous. Same band in my head. Thank you. Guys, I just want to illustrate how ridiculous this is. U2 is like one of the most famous rock and roll bands of all time. Rock and roll. Coldplay is a band specifically famous for not having a guitar player in it.

I knew neither of those facts. There's no guitar player in Coldplay? This is how ridiculous what you guys are saying. When I think of U2, I just think of... That's what it sounds like to me. I just googled each of the bands. They both have old people in them. Same band. They're both British too, right?

Aren't they? Oh, I lied. There totally is a guitar player. I still... And on that note... Oh my God, and he lists U2 as one of his biggest influences. Maybe I have... They are very different bands. They are very different bands. No, the YouTube comments will support me on this. Very different bands. We're going to leave this one up to the comments, for sure. We'll be right back. ...

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Uh, we're going to talk a lot about nothing later, uh, but we're going to talk about something now. And that something is the fact that there is a new report that Apple is reportedly looking to ship a 13 inch MacBook with an iPhone chip either later this year or early next year. Return of the MacBook baby. Yeah. Return of the MacBook. This is interesting. It's big news. Uh,

I'm curious because it's 13 inches, which is the same size as the MacBook Air. So my question becomes, does this become a lower tiered MacBook Air that's like 800 bucks instead of a thousand, which would sell like crazy? Or is this what I wanted was a new 12 inch MacBook. This could be you're saying like below the air.

Well, yeah. Like even thinner and lighter than the Air. Oh, I don't care if it's thinner and lighter. I just wanted like a smaller screen. Oh, smaller screen? Yeah. Maybe just like smaller footprint, I guess. Yeah, footprint. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This was interesting to me. I mean, obviously we know the A chips in the iPhones and the M chips in Apple Silicon Macs are...

M chips are basically scaled up A chips. Essentially, yeah. But they're so scaled up. Like the difference between an M1 and an A18 is pretty vast. Pretty vast. It would be a real, it would essentially be... Like a Chromebook.

Yeah, like the level of power in an iPhone. Yeah, which is a lot. It is a lot for a phone, but I don't know. I guess I'm picturing the things people would want to do on like a 12-inch MacBook, which is web browsing and like lightweight apps and things. Yeah, it's kind of a Chromebook. I have not read, and correct me if I'm wrong, in any of these rumor leaks that this is going to be running macOS. I feel like everyone just saw a MacBook and assumed macOS. I think that's implied, though. It's totally implied. Yeah.

However, early days, got a Love Island reference in there. I don't know, man. I could see this being more of a Chromebook. I could see this running. Is it going to have a whole new OS? Well, to be honest, I could just see them doing a weirdly modified version of iPadOS. That's what I was going to say. For a MacBook? Well, okay. If you're going to go there, because iPadOS is specifically touch-first.

So this would have to be a MacBook that is touch first. Don't let your facts get in the way of a good story, Marcus. Seems off limits to me, I would say. There is not much... Okay, here we go. Here we go. Ready? I'm ready. The MacBook...

This is going to sound crazy. The MacBook has been touch first for a very long time. And I mean that not to say that there is a touchscreen in the MacBook, but Mac OS is so, so, so optimized for a trackpad. There are so many different ways to interact with this computer with one to four fingers. And you know from the way Apple's design team

operates. Like, they really do think about a physical connection between your body and the computer when it comes to designing macOS. Ergo, a lot of that has ended up in iPadOS since you can use a trackpad with it. Right? Pinch to zoom. Four fingers swipe. Now you got this new window system. And a free-floating mouse. So I...

I thought you could get between full screen apps with a four finger swipe on iPadOS. That's actually a swipe from the bottom bar. On iPadOS? Yeah. Okay. But there are similarities. There are things that they've brought over. And I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to make iPadOS just as functional

If you lock it in a trackpad. The MacBook requires more precision mousing. And that's why the iPad, especially with the new pointer on the iPad, it sort of enlarges the elements a little bit. The previous version where it was a fake circle mouse, it would just like snap to it. But David, keyword, it's not the MacBook that needs precision. It's macOS. Yeah. I would be doubtful. But it's also 13 inches. It's the same as the Air. I know, but why would Apple ever kneecap Mac?

a full Mac OS product by giving it an A18 Pro, which would struggle with so many tasks. It wouldn't really struggle. I know. Yeah, I think we're looking at two directly, like diametrically opposed philosophies, which is one, the A chips in the iPhone are meant to run iOS and a MacBook by name is meant to run Mac OS. So we kind of, that's why it's weird to see

a chip in MacBook. And so we're trying to figure out are they going to make this more of a Mac or more of an iPhone slash iPad because of the internals. Now, if it's a Mac, if it's a 12-inch Mac or a 13-inch Mac or whatever, it has to run macOS. Yeah.

and it has to not have a touchscreen. So is the point of running the A18 chip to be extremely power efficient, and we can already make a billion of these chips for no money, and this is going to be like the ultra-lightweight netbook of 2025? Is that what we're picturing? I think it's just like they need an even lower-end computer to sell to compete with even lower-end computers. Because at this point, the cheapest MacBook Air, the $999 MacBook Air that we have, is a...

Pretty competent computer at this point. And so if you're Apple and you're like, you know what we could do? We could offer a $600 computer laptop. I mean, that would be crazy. Which would be awesome for getting people into macOS and being an entry point for the whole thing.

Then I could see in my world. I would go okay put an m1 chip in there You can make a thousand of those for no money But going all the way to the age it feels like they're building, you know The price ladders where they're like, yeah here you could buy the super cheap ultra lightweight machine for sure It's barely able to do what you want it to do. So you might as well get a MacBook Air. Well, that's what it feels I mean, how would they communicate that to people though? How would they communicate like I obviously they could communicate like this is a bottom-tier MacBook and

But for the average person who would see M4, M5, whatever we're on when this comes out, and then would also see A18 Pro...

would they know that that's the chip from the iPhone? - Yeah, that would have to be Apple messaging that this computer is extremely thin and light. - It's called iMessage, actually. - They would have to show the world and demo to people that this is the thinnest and lightest machine available. I mean, obviously there's gonna be no fans. An A18 chip runs on a tiny phone this big. So the whole PCB only has to be that big, plus some batteries, this can be so thin. - I mean, this is something you-- - That's actually a good point. - The thing about battery consumption,

This thing could last for so long. But that's not the Apple way. The Apple way is give it all day battery life and give it the thinnest amount of battery you possibly can. This could be the thinnest laptop ever, guys. That's true. It could be a thinner. This will not be the computer to run Chrome on. No, not. I don't know. I think it's just money. So I think it's like it could be $700 or $800 and then probably $800.

And then they could have some benefits. They could say it has better battery life. It's a little less powerful, so you're not going to be doing heavy stuff. But if you're just writing notes, you need something that you want to throw around with you, bring around with you, you don't want an iPad. I don't know. I...

Apple is trying to make every price tier possible with like every product possible. And they already have that with the iPad. They have the cheap iPads, they have the mid tier and they have expensive ones. With the MacBook, they have the really expensive ones and they have the like really good value ones. Like the MacBook Air is insanely good value for what it is, but they don't have the like, oh, I have very little money to spend on my new computer. I'm a broke college student, you know, that kind of thing. Yeah, like the cheapest desktop Mac, the Mac Macbook.

Mini is a good deal. It was like $599 to start, I think, for students, maybe $5 or $699. If they had a laptop at that price, too, then that would be a nice entry point for a laptop. Yeah, as a student, I would never want a desktop. Right. Yeah. So that's an interesting idea. And they probably have a ton of A18 Bionic chips left over. But don't they have a ton of M1 chips, too? Yeah, probably. But again...

I don't know. Like they make M1 iPads. Yeah. Already. Maybe they don't have as many M1 chips left over because they're putting them in the iPads. Maybe. I think this is so they can sell 900 of them to schools.

That's a great point. That's a great point because Chromebooks also, yeah, if they make them cheap enough, they could probably convince schools to go MacBook over Chromebook. That is a very big market for Google. True. And as long as you get kids indoctrinated into your platform. Chromebooks are really cheap though. They are. Chromebooks that schools are buying are like $200. Yeah, like $200, $300, not $600. Yeah, for sure. For sure. I mean, they might give them some sort of subsidy. Yeah.

Because to them, it's user acquisition, right? It's a user acquisition cost of a four-year-old. They seem really into that. Because they've got teenagers locked up in America. They might as well start going, use Apple now. Like, hey, iMessage for the six-year-olds. You've already got your Apple Watch. They're really into that. I just want to lay a future Ellis prediction for that will come and bite me later. But I do not think if this computer ships, it is going to ship with a full battery.

unmodified Mac OS. I don't know if it'll be like iPad OS for Macs. If they call it that, I'm gonna laugh. - That'd be insane. - But I really, I just really don't. - Yeah, I do think it would be very confusing if they do. - Yeah. - I think they will. - Because then like, are you gonna download Final Cut Pro on this thing? - No, if they did, you'd get a bunch of pop-up windows that were like, sorry, this application can only be opened on, and people are gonna freak out because no one who would consider buying this computer

It overlaps with the people who know what the A18 Pro is. Unless it can only open Safari. Counterpoint. Yeah. Counterpoint. The A18 Pro is probably faster than the i7 MacBook from a number of years ago. Do you think so? M1 would be. I just don't know about the A18. It's so small. Yeah, I don't know about A18. I have the specs up right here.

It does run at 4 gigahertz, which is not nothing. Those chips are supposed to run in phones. It's such a low power draw that maybe if they're supposed to run with way more power, they can actually do these things. Imagine a laptop that lasts like a week.

Mean I love the idea. Yeah, I just don't think that's on Apple's radar lower power lower Yeah, it doesn't do as much but at last week. I mean that would be amazing. That sounds great to me. That's good to me Can you I don't know enough about chips? Can you? Benchmark and a team pro against an m1. Yeah, are they two fundamentally different to like actually benchmark? You can use the same benchmarks. Yeah, and you they have such different memory Yeah, they like a world use swap memory. Oh

I don't know. Yeah, you wouldn't. I mean, we've never seen an A-chip run Mac apps, so it's like they won't be the same application. But I can run Geekbench on both and have it do like some similar things. And that gives you a sort of sense of what it's capable of. But like, yeah, the iPhone is not meant to do running these apps on the Mac, which is why it's very hard to say. Moving on to nothing.

It always hits when we get to say that. Yeah. It's really never going to get old. I'm really glad we have nothing to talk about today. Yeah. So Nothing has unveiled two new things. We can talk about either one of them first. They unveiled the Nothing Headphone 1 and the Nothing Phone 3.

I've reviewed the Nothing Headphone once, so if you're watching this and you haven't already seen the full review, go check that out. The video's on the main channel. We are showing you both of the versions here. I have the dark ones in my hand. I reviewed the light ones. People thought I was maybe compromised or hurt or forced to do that, but I just think they look better on camera, so I used the light ones. But if I had to buy a pair, I think these black ones look better.

Pretty good. Question number one. I guess we'll start with the headphones since we've got them here. Yeah. Headphone one. Let's go around the room. Okay. Ugly or not ugly? I think...

pretty decent looking headphones. When you get them in your hands, they're unique. When you put them on your head, especially the dark ones, I think they look pretty decent. I think they look better in person than they do online. Agreed. I have some hot takes. I do think that the shape of the plastic piece on the sides should be the same curvature as the actual headphone like squircle thing. I think that would look

better I agree like the corner radius is just like weird it's just weird having two different shapes inset into each other and then the other thing is that they used like plastic to cover it I think if they'd been able to use like glass that didn't shatter in some way glass yeah I don't know the plastic it just gets oily and gets fingerprints on it easily and it looks a little bit cheap

Yeah, David and I noticed this morning the black one. The black one especially. Very fingerprinty. Yeah. And it kind of just takes away from the premium look of the aluminum on the headphones. So do you think they're ugly? No, I like the way they look. Ugh.

Just like men's warehouse. Indecisive Adam. I'm so indecisive on these. I'm so torn because I feel like when I'm looking at them, I like the way they look. And then I picture myself wearing them and I'm like, I don't know. They're a little too out there for me. Story time. I was in London yesterday and I was wearing them at a cafe and a woman came up to me and the barista at the cafe, she came up to me and she goes,

excuse me i just we keep talking about your headphones like behind the bar like what are they they look so cool that's what they want that's straight from an ad literally you're living in it literally happened that is why they are designed this way and i don't know if i want that experience

I don't want to have to explain to people what my cool headphones are. Well, which is probably why you get the black ones, right? Yeah, yeah. So I tested the light ones. And I got this question a lot, like, Marques, how did you test them on an airplane if you're not allowed to show them to people? Oh, we had to. I figured that out. I just had to.

Do it. I just had to trust that nobody would do anything. Do it. I tested the light ones. Yeah. And I think the thing about flying with headphones is the headphones are supposed to be, at least in part, a statement of...

probably don't talk to me right now. I'm wearing headphones. And if your headphones are a conversation starter, it does the exact opposite. So that's something to keep in mind. Nobody came up to me though and asked, were you wearing the light ones when that happened? Yeah. Yeah, nobody came up to me and asked me about the headphones. I think the light ones are going to catch a lot more attention. They definitely do catch more attention. But the other thing about them is...

And we haven't even talked about how they sound yet, but I think they are built very well. They feel great. They're comfortable. They're a little bit heavier than your all-plastic headphones, your Bose's, your Sony's, but maybe like 10% to 15%. And you do notice that on the ear cups because that's the metal that you're holding. Yeah.

but they're really well built solid. Feel too heavy on the head. Like they're there. The band is light. I like the texture of like the soft touch everywhere is really nice. The padding, like that touches that very top of the, your head is nice. I just hate that they don't fold. Yeah. So they, they don't hold like down. Uh, they basically rotate, they rotate the ear cups, rotate. They do rotate the correct way, which I will give them credit for. Yep. Instead of rotating backwards, like Sony used to, uh,

Now, there is a bunch of buttons on them. Physical controls. Yeah, so they made a big deal about the fact that they sort of

to make them more intuitive to use than other headphones, which I thought was a bit of a stretch. Yeah, I didn't get to use these for more than like five minutes. So like as you guys actually used them, did you think they were actually intuitive? Did you have to remap your wiring in your brain? A little. I love the controls. Yeah, so let's talk about the controls. There's this one wheel on one of the sides that looks like a little pill and you can turn it up and down to have the volume go up and down and there's this nice little click sound that kind of like...

It's great. Like a scrolling sound. That's cool. You can tap that in to do playback, to do play or pause, and then you can hold it for the assistant. Now hold is A and C on or off? A and C on or off. Right. Sorry. Yeah. And it makes us...

Yeah, it's really weird. Which is so weird. It is what it is. And then they have this paddle on the side. Yeah. You want to talk about the paddle? The paddle, you can also reach and just quickly identify without being able to see it. It's a forward or backward track, or you can hold it down to fast forward or hold it back to rewind. Yeah, yeah.

It works exactly as intended in Apple Music, and it works kind of in chunks in some other apps. Yeah. But still, very easy to go next track or previous track. I think that the worst button on these headphones is that there is a Bluetooth pairing button that is very, very, very hidden. I don't mind that one. Next to the ear cup. And I understand that...

You probably use that less than any other button on the headphones, so it makes sense to not make it prominent. But I was trying to connect these to the NothingX app for like hours, and I literally was like, they're not... How do you put them in pairing mode? I do not understand. In the box, when you take them out of the box, the box just says, open the box and press the pairing button. But...

but I couldn't find it anywhere. - Oh, it is subtle, is I think very good that you can't accidentally press it. I think that's why it's designed like flush like that. So, and then the last button is on the outside of the right ear cup is just a single button that you can remap with the Nothing X app to do whatever. So by default, that just does the assistant on your phone. You can also map that to the essential space or you can do a long press as well to do something else. - I kept forgetting this was a real button.

Yeah. Wait, so it does go, you can map it to the essential space? Yeah. And then it would take a voice note? Yes. Yeah. From the mic on the headphones. You can basically talk to it a bunch and then the essential space will like AI summarize what you talk to it about. Can you like save notes and to-do lists and stuff like that? Well, you can save notes to the essential space. Yeah. There's a limited amount of things. You can't do like whatever you want with this button, but you can do several different things in the essential space. And obviously that's only if you're using it with a nothing phone that has the essential space feature. Yeah.

Yeah. But otherwise, it triggers the assistant and stuff, which is annoying. Listen, I'm always here for more remappable buttons. Yeah. I'm here for it. Yeah. They are co-designed by KEF. Not K-E-H. KEF. Sound by KEF, which it says in text on the outside of the headphones. Oh, wow. Yeah.

I have never actually used any other KEF products, but I did snipe that there is one other set of active noise cancelling headphones on their website. The rest is mostly speakers. A lot of you guys were telling me about KEF in the comments. I bought the headphones.

You bought them. I bought them. So I own the KEF MU7s. Yeah. And they're fine. Very generic. Very generic headphones. A lot of passive noise isolation plus ANC, which is also similar to these nothing headphones. That's their thing. Yeah, that'll bring us into the sound of these. I think these sound like mixing headphones a little bit. What does that mean? It means that they're... Well...

Okay, okay. Yeah, tell Ellis. Yeah, yeah, tell. What do you consider the ones we are wearing right now? Just finish your thought. The M50s? Aren't they mixing headphones? Not technically, no. But they're flat enough. Okay. They're good enough for us. What I mean by that is that the sound signature is very flat. Like it doesn't feel like very heavy in any of the specific frequencies, like heavy in the bass, heavy in the treble, bids, whatever. There's an app where you can, you know, there's an equalizer app in the nothing X app.

And I've messed around with that, but it never really felt sort of like... I don't know. It felt pretty flat to me. And they sound fine, but I feel like they could sound better. Like Beats? Yeah.

Sound I don't know. I don't I haven't really listed. I mean really bassy. Yeah, like more bass. No, I mean Annoyingly, I just really like the air pods Pro. They just sound yeah. Oh, yeah. Good. That's cheating though. I yeah Well, yeah, but and I understand that these are over your headphones with yeah, and I haven't really used air pods max extensively Hmm, but I can't compare them. So I've used a bunch. Yeah, I've used Sony's for a while I've used air pods max quite a bit and I like I said, I flew with these these

Noise cancellation-wise are like a 7 out of 10, maybe an 8. They have really good passive isolation, which I noticed. And then when you turn on A and C...

they sound great, but with loud white noise like an airplane, it was still getting through. That's what I noticed too. The Sonys would just completely block that stuff out. Yeah. So that's why I'm putting it at like a 7 or 8 out of 10 with ANC. And then the sound quality itself, the way it's balanced, it's a little bassier for me. It's a little more fun sounding, a little more V-shaped to me.

I thought it sounded totally fine. Yeah. And it was great for podcast music, whatever. I had no issues with it. I also played a tiny bit with the equalizer. You can jack up your sound with the equalizer. For sure, yeah. And I was kind of just playing a little bit with the frequencies. I mean, you just reviewed the Sony M6s. XM6s are incredible. They're a lot better. They are better. So here's how I ended the video.

The M6s are better in every dimension you'd buy headphones for. They sound better. They have better ANC. They're lighter, more comfortable. You can wear them for longer. Longer battery life, better case. Everything's better about them. But...

Are they $150 better? Because nothing is only... I say only. They're charging $300 for these headphones, which in the world of $300 headphones, this is about par. Like the metal is above average build quality. Like the ANC is about right. Like these are solid $300 headphones. The Sonys are $450 new. Yeah, they keep jacking the price of that. So if you're going to compare those two, like yes, the Sonys are better, but I think you could argue the nothing ones are a better deal. Where it gets interesting is...

if you have an older pair of like the Mark 3s or Mark 4s from Sony, then it's like you're playing in the same price range. Then it's just like, do you prefer the design here? Do you prefer the controls here? Also, the Sony's go on sale for $100 like every single holiday. Yeah. So I prefer the physical controls on the nothing. I prefer the build quality of the nothing. Yeah.

And I actually like the design of the nothing headphones. Yeah, yeah. That's what I like. How do I pair these? The pairing button. So you got to turn them on first. See my freaking point. So on the right ear cup, there's a flip switch to turn on. We're on. And then you hold down the Bluetooth button on the inside of the left ear cup. I didn't even find that button. That's what I'm saying. It took me like an hour. Inside the right ear cup.

for like three seconds. I would have never found that. No, I just realized because you guys have been having these for the past few weeks, I haven't actually heard them. So I'll let you know how mixing headphones work. Do you want to just connect them to my phone that they're already connected to? All right, so we're getting a live Ellis headphone sound test. Let's do this, boys. If you ever see me, I have no idea if I'm an ANC or not. Wait, Ellis, these white ones look really dope. No, it'll breathe into your ear. They look really dumb on you? No, really dope. They do look good. I think they're really good looking. Yeah.

If you ever see me using the built-in EQ on a pair of headphones, know that, uh,

That's your cry for help? No, no, it's literally not me. It's like some sort of secret agent that's impersonating me and you need to kill him as soon as possible. If these are not mixing headphones, what would these be considered? Consumer headphones. These are just consumer. I mean, these are going to try to compete with Beats. These? Yeah. These are also consumer headphones, but in the genre of... Are they much flatter to allow for more... Yeah, because mixing headphones are like...

soulless like yeah blank that's what i thought these were these aren't quite that flat and they're still flatter than average it's a spectrum these have a little more beats on one end and there's the sony mdr headphones on the other end yeah and these are closer to that but it's not like blank right okay ellis has got a face he's thinking as he listens to his head thinking face he's impressed a little bit of a nod interesting

he's streaming bluetooth music to the headphones the best headphones i've listened to the new streetlight manifesto tracks on oh god do you think he's listening to youtube hold play right now what's the difference same thing they do look really good he's switching tracks again he's moving to another music i'm sorry this is like so much fun to watch right now no we're narrating what you're doing it's great

Yeah. I do think they're good looking headphones. I just used them on the plane this morning. And I do think that the ANC is good in the high and mids. But the low end ANC like doesn't work at all. Like I had it on high and it was just like. So you can still hear like the airplane. The droning of the airplane. Oh, interesting. Usually it's in reverse. Like it usually is really good at taking out those. I know. That's what was weird. Like there was no. Yeah, I couldn't hear anything. And when people talk to me, I can't hear it.

But the actual sound of the airplane, the low hum, I could hear very well. I think my distinguishing, my observation was the exact same, but I thought it was volume-based. I think it's just the plane is so loud that it was just...

The floor is just a little bit above zero. Yeah, but when I use other headphones, like it cuts it. Right. So I'm saying these, the ANC in these is not strong enough to cancel the loudness of the plane. No matter what frequency it is. Maybe. But when people talk, it's not going to be loud enough. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Hmm.

- Ellis is still going. So should we move on to the phone while he finishes testing? - Sure, yeah. We'll move on to the phone. The phone- - Yeah, I don't know, man. - That's about right for the headphones. - That's how I felt too. - My review, I don't know, man. - I don't know, man. I am so like the worst person to ask about headphones. - That's not true. - It is true. Unfortunately. It's just 'cause I really just feel like it's whatever you like the best is always gonna be the best. Okay, but what I think about these is that

things that i really appreciate um sub bass like all headphones is not awesome that you don't really even perceive those frequencies with your ears so like headphones would not be able to reproduce them anyway you don't feel it in your chest you do feel it in your chest but you're yeah unless you have headphones i mean no headphones like this i was gonna say if you had some sort of like bizarre like try anyway so but wait to that point really quick to kind of

into what we were talking about earlier. - Oh, while I had ANSI on. - No, no, no, from like the beginning of the pod. That CES demo that I tried with the haptic thing, that was the use case. It was you can listen to music and then if you have the little thing, you would get the sub pack. - It was the sub pack, yeah. I know people that swear by those. - It was cool, it just was a gimmick. I was like, okay. - You know who swears by the sub pack or at least did during COVID? - Who? - Timbaland.

He also does like AI artists instead of real artists. You ever heard a song? Timbaland? Yeah. No. That was Timbaland. That's literally every Timbaland song. And I love him. Sorry to cut you off. Continue. Like bass, bass, not sub bass is good. I like that it's low distortion. I can hear some details in it.

The mids also low distortion for headphones in this price range, which I think is pretty cool. That's like a big thing for me at headphones. The highs are dog water on these things. Don't expect to hear a single detail in any of the music you listen to. They're not particularly even. They don't have good stereo imaging, which is not uncommon for wireless headphones. What else?

I guess those are some bad things that I accidentally put in the good things list. Yeah, no, but they were comfortable. They're unbelievably comfortable. I love how deep the cups are. I love the material the foam is made out of. I love watching it return to form slowly like a Tempur-Pedic pillow. I had to ask if the ear cups were replaceable because as hard as I tried, it didn't feel like I could take them off. The response that I got was technically they are removable. However, it is very difficult and we're not selling replacement cups yet. So basically not removable.

So in six months when these have all my summer sweat destroyed them, I'm just going to be walking around with my gross. I really do hope that they start selling ear cups or making it easier because I do want them to be replaceable. Yeah. I would say as far as Ellis's sound man opinion on these headphones is that unless you are someone that was a cloud lifter falling onto the ground, unless you are someone who has like one ultra specific thing

thing that you want in a headphone. Like I want amazing high end clarity. I want as little distortion in the mids as possible. I want noise canceling that works exactly like this. I would say almost any over the ear headphone you buy is going to be about the same. Like we're talking like a pretty small delta.

and they're all trash. That's kind of how I feel. It's just like all headphones are bad. You just got to pick the one that is bad in a way that you... Enjoy. Enjoy. And if you really want amazing sounding headphones, they're called speakers. Well...

They had one more feature that I don't understand that they talked about a lot and I still don't understand. And it's called Channel Hop. Did they talk to you about this? They did not. Yeah. So they have this feature called Channel Hop. And the idea is that you can set up a number of different audio apps on your phone and

and you can just use the paddle to just jump between the audio apps. And they were like, yeah, so if you're listening to one thing on Spotify and then you want to listen to another thing on Apple Music, you just flip the paddle and then suddenly you're listening on Apple Music. And I'm like, wait, wait. Why would I do that? iOS already does that. Why would I want to? Well, it's literally called, it's a feature that they have in it and they talked a lot about it.

I would just open my phone at that point. That's kind of... I don't understand. Wait. Does it... Can I plug it? Wait. Yeah, David and I were really trying to figure this out earlier. If you can figure out why this is useful, that would be helpful to me. I don't know. I don't really get it. If anyone gets it, let me know. This is our cry for help. We're getting Carl played right now. I would say watch the full review.

I've had them for a week. We go into way more detail. The other thing we can talk about is the phone itself, the Nothing Phone 3. This one we don't have as much detail to talk about because it's gotten announced and we've gotten specs and we've gotten features. I got to play with it a bunch. You got to play with it. And I have footage. So we have some thoughts, but obviously the review is not out yet. It is coming soon. Yeah. I will again go around the table. Is this thing ugly? No.

David says no. And it looks great. I say yes. Adam says yes. I haven't seen it yet. Ellis hasn't seen it yet. Perfect. I'm going to pull it up. Time breaker. I think yes. It's ugly. It's so good looking. Nothing phone three. I think all of their phones. I'm going to turn my monitor to Ellis right now and get a live reaction. Is this to you?

An ugly phone. What? What? It looks great. Dude, that looks like first generation dolly render of a phone. It looks like a teenage engineering phone. It looks like nonsense. So I'm going to go with ugly. Yeah. I think this is a polarizing phone where one third of people will go, oh, this is kind of neat. And two thirds of people will go, oh, it's kind of wonky.

There is a screen on the back, a 25 by 25 pixel glyph matrix. They've gotten rid of the normal lights they had on the back of the phone before. This is a $799 quote flagship phone, but without a flagship chip. It's a Snapdragon 8S Gen 4. It is a plastic back, triple 50 megapixel cameras. Actually, I don't know if it's a plastic back. I think it's Gorilla Glass back. But triple 50 megapixel cameras on the back and a 50 megapixel selfie camera. Silicon carbon battery.

5100 milliamp hour battery fast charging just a bunch of things going on with this phone but the aesthetics are the thing that is hard to get over at the beginning yeah I think it looks great I feel like all of nothing's phones are beautiful I think this phone in particular is like not the prettiest one because of the asymmetry of the cameras that has thrown me off now that I've looked at it for a little bit

This is the best looking phone in the world. I disagree. It's bold. The 3A is the best looking phone. I just slipped you $50 under the table to say that. The 3A. Oh, the nothing but 3A? Yeah, I mean, that's a good looking phone. It was beautiful. Look, I'm into stuff that doesn't look

Good? Do you think the Nothing 3a... I think it looks good because it's weird. Is that the gray one? Do you think the Nothing 3a is the pretty one? Yeah, that phone is beautiful. That phone looks great. Okay, here's what is... I can't reach the wrong button from here. Here's what is unique and I think is why the cameras look the way they do. The Periscope camera...

These phones that all have periscope cameras have large camera bumps because they have large sensors and large optics arrays that cause this Z-axis depth off of the back of the phone. This phone doesn't really have a huge camera bump.

It does have like camera rings, kind of like a Samsung phone. But with this big periscope camera, they actually punched that through the PCB so that instead of the whole thing being on one side and stacked on top of the PCB, they've like punched the element through the PCB. So there is no camera bump, but there are small camera rings instead. Yeah.

Right. That is the thing that they are proud of. The downside is it's just not aligned in any axis with any of the other cameras. So it's kind of a weird blob. But counterpoint, it has like a counterweight on the side of it.

But it's the same color as the rest of the phone. Yeah. Yeah. If they had made the counterweight thing a different color, I think it would have looked more even because it technically those are like the pieces in the top are subdivided into like three boxes. And technically that camera does fit inside the box with the counterweight part.

And it does fit kind of evenly there. Yeah. If the counterweight had been slightly different color, I think it would have looked more even. Fair. Yeah. But it doesn't. Well, I still think it looks great. Okay. All this and it was just the aesthetics. Yeah. So they got rid of the famous glyphs that nothing has always had, but they added now. Kind of. Well, they added a thing called the glyph matrix. Yeah. It just got moved into there. Yeah.

It's a tiny screen on the back. It would have been nice if they had both because the Glyph was like a, I mean, that was the key part of the nothing phone. And I also wish that they had just updated the Glyphs to be able to do like multiple colors or whatever, just like the Nexus 6 when I jail broke it. Damn. Yeah. But now this Glyph Matrix has a number of things that they call Glyph toys. Genius. I love it. It's a weird name. I don't like that. It's so good.

I don't. You don't have to name everything, guys. Yes, you do. If Apple could do it, by God, nothing can do it. Yeah. Yeah. But basically, it's this little tiny diode grid, and you can do a number of different things on it. They have a number of different apps built in so far. They have a bubble level, which can be kind of helpful, I guess.

They have a digital clock, so in like a stopwatch clock that's pretty good looking. And a regular clock. That's cool. And a regular clock to show you the time. They have a battery indicator that shows you like the battery percentage

as well as like a drain sort of like level thing. They have the mirror app, which basically gives you like a little subdivided grid. Yeah, do we think that's going to work? I used it at the event. And it worked? Because I just used the computer version of it. And I'm in a very well lit room right now. Oh, does it look great? No, but you can tell where you are. That is pretty much... You know, I know you actually can't from the...

That is basically, so it's not technically, okay, so it's basically a viewport for the main camera because you can, there's a, it's not capacitive. It's a button on the back of the phone. There's a pressure sensitive button that you use to interact with the toys. I hate that sentence. I love it. I really, I'm an adult.

That's why you need fun in your life. That's why they're called toys. So you can play spin the bottle and rock. Yeah. Okay. So there's also spin the bottle and I just have to, this is really funny cause I don't think Carl Payne knows what spin the bottles for. Did he definitely, what? I think he, uh, 100% during the, he, he knows, but it,

He knows, but it was at the event. They were like, they had a little video and they showed these four friends like eating, like eating dinner. And they're like, it's time to pay the bill. Let's well, no, they were like, let's play spin the bottle. And then it was like, they were panicking. Oh no. Who's it? Who's it going to land on? It was like, is this about to get weird? And then they were like, oh, guess you have to pay the bill. And I was like, ah,

Okay. Oh, that's what's been the bottle. And then he kind of laughed. Listen, it took someone like five minutes to code this just so they could do that in the keynote. And I think totally worth it. No, it took someone five minutes to code this just so nothing phone users could call everyone else kissless virgins. They had, they have a solar clock, which is pretty cool. It shows like a horizon and it shows where the sun is in the sky, which is pretty cool. I like that. They,

they have rock paper scissors so you can play against your phone um I famously have won multiple times against my against the phone at the at the demo unit station which was cool I also played my phone the phone I was using at the demo station versus the phone that a friend of mine was using at the demo station and I won multiple times which was also cool did you tweet that six years ago um no

But they also have a magic eight ball and the magic eight ball one is funny. That's awesome. It shows up and then you shake the phone like a magic eight ball and then it does the bubbly thing and then it shows you the answer like better luck next time or whatever. But it has, it uses the gyroscope and the vibration motor and so as you rotate the phone the thank you or better luck next time moves around and you can feel it vibrating. This is just like the nothing dynamic island.

- Even worse. - It's worse? - No, this is way less useful. - Yeah, but only because they're the ones that made the 20 or so apps that are on it. - Yeah, that's my question. - They have an APK, yes. - Yeah, exactly. - They have an open API. - API? - Open API. - API. - Yeah, sorry, API. - So, 'cause now, at this point, with the phone just coming out,

This is, for me, firmly in gimmick territory. Oh, yeah. But what if, like, Flighty came to Android? God, crazy idea, I know. And then on the back of your phone, you could see, like, oh, Flight is departing in 40 minutes. Well, here's a problem I have with it is that... You know, like, app developers need to put this in. It's hard when these companies...

Like it's really difficult when these companies introduce some new gimmick and they're like there's an open API But then literally the next generation they just get rid of it. That's true. So the glyphs I don't know how many people are gonna develop for it because again who knows if they're gonna keep it That's kind of the awkward thing. Yeah, you need a company to really be like this is our new direction we're doing this for at least four generations and

you can develop for it. You know, because Razer has famously done this too where they like come out with a laptop with some new crazy feature and they're like, open API developers, come on. And then the next year they just get rid of it. What's the matter developers? Don't you love developing? Yeah, come on. Don't you love like spending tons of resources for a small audience? You know, a lot of, uh,

tech enthusiasts even like myself and reviewers we want constant improvement and we want things to get better so when i see something like a hole punch cut out for a selfie camera and face id and then apple makes dynamic island around it yeah i go oh okay this is a nice way of making up for like this you know technology that's not ready to go fully under the screen yet but

But I expect that dynamic island and that hole punch to get smaller every year until it's gone. And Apple, even though you could argue it's stagnant or whatever, to their credit, developers will develop something for dynamic island and there will be years of phones with the same dynamic island. So they can at least count on it working well with all these phones. They're also reaching like

of people, whereas nothing with a single version of the Nothing Phone. You just don't know, like you said, you don't know if it's going to last a long time. So anyway, I mean, it's cool. It's gimmicky. It's fun. If you're going to develop like a fun little app for it, then I think that's dope. Yeah. But yeah, besides that, there's just like on a previous Nothing Phone, there's that small little red square. Little red light. This time it's actually a light. It's a record light. And I think that you said that. I think we might have said that in the last episode.

video of the phone that had that, that it would be cool if it was functional. I don't know, maybe we didn't. I'll take credit. I love that. Um, Garak, is this true? Um, Garak, context please. Ah, that never gets old. Yeah, but now when you're recording with the phone, that little square will blink, which is cool. I like that. It's not that bright, so outside I don't know if you're going to be able to see it, but inside you can, which is nice. They have this new thing called Essential Search.

And basically it's like it's a system wide search similar to the persistent Google search bar, but it's also an LLM using Gemini Nano. Are you losing me, David? Not Gemini Nano, using Gemini. Well, now. OK, so now instead of when you're searching your phone, you can search for an app, you can search for, you know, a calendar event or whatever, which is cool. But you can also just say, like, what are the name of Saturn's moons? And it just shows it to you using Gemini Nano. Will it make one up?

probably. Yeah, so it'll just be raw. Maybe it's not Gemini Nano, it's just regular Gemini because it requires an internet connection. But it, yeah, I don't know, I think it's interesting to not have to have the Gemini app open and you can just like, you can now use this search bar for everything.

anything that you want to search. But it's cool because they were saying basically that when you use regular Gemini and ask it a question, it tells you way too much information, you know? Whereas this one, I'll just be like, it'll just give you the answers, but very succinctly it'd be like, oh, the moon's around Jupiter, these things. And then that's kind of it. I think it's just a nice little thing to be able to, if you're with your friends, looking up a simple question and it just tells you. No, let me lie to my friends in peace. Yeah. And we also have to talk about the price.

we didn't talk about the price 7.99 so 7.99 which is has been quite contentious for people on the internet because nothing is used to making the 350 400 phone yeah remind you of anything i wonder where carl pay used to work yeah yeah weird yeah

So they're calling it their first flagship. That's the same price as the Pixel 9. That's the same price as the S25. It's basically the same as the same price as iPhone 16. So it's basically now they are competing directly with like all of these major manufacturers. They obviously have way more fun features and weird like the UI is really good. And you could actually get kissed with this phone.

Or when rock, paper, scissors. Or when rock, paper, scissors. So I think that's going to be a big question mark. But yeah, and so the base price gets you 256 gigs of storage and 12 gigs of RAM. And then the 512 model, which is I think $100 more, gives you 512 gigabytes of storage and 16 gigs of RAM.

So it does give you more RAM. It is interesting that they're playing in the flagship space, but they technically don't have a flagship chip. It's the Snapdragon 8S Gen 4 instead of the Snapdragon 8 Elite, which is in some of the phones you just talked about at that price, the Galaxy S25. How many people buying these phones care about the chipset?

versus just deserve the better chipset at that price, you know? Like, I think a lot of people buy a car and don't really know about the engine in it, but once you spend over a certain amount, you deserve to get better parts and better build. Yeah. Whether you notice it or are an enthusiast or not. Mm-hmm.

And I think if you're buying a $799 phone, you probably should get a flagship chipset. But if you don't notice, then maybe it doesn't matter. I think you're trading off that for a more interesting design and more interesting UI. I would personally buy this over a regular S25 any day of the week because I think the S25 is the most boring phone in history. You're probably also trading cameras. I haven't tested any of the cameras yet. That's a pure assumption. I'm assuming the Samsung cameras are better, but I don't know. Probably.

You're also trading, well, yeah, I guess there's the AI button and the essential space on the nothing phone. Yeah, so it's just a more interesting phone. It's more interesting. You're trading design and some interesting features for... But then you get the ugliest phone mankind has ever seen. No, the opposite. The opposite. The phone of the year.

Well, you know, there's a bunch of other things about this phone I haven't seen in person yet, and I'm looking forward to testing for the review. It appears to be a big, bright, nice, evenly-bezeled AMOLED display, high refresh rate. 4,500 nits. Crazy number. Like, I want to see it outside. It appears to be a 5,100-plus milliamp-hour silicon carbon battery with fast charging. That's some flagship-level stuff. I want to see how long that lasts.

It is, of course, nothing OS 3.5 on top of Android 15, and then it's going to get updated to, I think, 4.0 on Android 16. I have a lot to test. I want to check out this phone. So expect the full review coming soon.

imminently it is for sure going to happen. But yeah, those are some first thoughts on Nothing Phone 3 and Nothing Headphone 1. It's Gorge. I think so. Gorge as in gorge my eyes out. As in Gorge Town University. It is above the S25 but below the Pixel 9. It's striking and beautiful.

I do think the Pixel 9 is... Striking, yes. It's, look, it's the Ionic 5N of phones. Oh, that's a take. That's maybe Ionic 6. But the Ionic 6 doesn't have the voxels in the same way. It was a Porsche at the back. Yeah. It kind of does on the back.

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Discover top brands at unexpectedly low prices. Sierra, let's get moving. Welcome back. Now we are going to do overhyped or underhyped. Again, to explain the rules, I have a list of things that I'm going to run through. By the way, if you have alliteration for the title of this game, please let us know. It would be good. Boom or bust? I feel like someone's used that before. It's sort of boomer core, you know? Hyper...

- Hyper-Nipe. - Anyway. - Hyper-Nipe. Yeah, if you have a name, let us know. But I'm gonna go through this list and you guys all have to tell me if the thing that I named

- Sorry. - Claude gave me an answer that was so close to hype or knife, I was like, "No way." - You have to tell me if the thing I named is overhyped, underhyped, or perfectly hyped. You get one perfectly hyped to use on this list. - There we go. - All right. - Only one? - Only one. - All right. - First thing, Tyrese Halliburton.

Underhyped. How am I supposed to know that? You know, we explained it to you last week. He's Waluigi. Is he the guy that broke his leg? Yeah. Towards Achilles. Look, look, look, look. I'm going to just make this decision for you guys. There is no way someone gets voted most underrated or overrated player in the NBA and then balls out all the way till June. Like that is it. Till game seven. By definition.

Under hyped. Generationally clutch run. We're going to be telling our grandkids about how many buzzers we use. But the fact that you guys are all saying this makes him perfectly hyped, right? No, no, no, no, no. I don't know. He literally won a poll of NBA players for being the most overrated player. Everyone was like, everyone thinks this guy is good. He's trash. And then he just showed them all. So I think he has to be given. I love you, Tyrese. I'm with him.

Take me to Vegas with you. What does that have to do with technology? It doesn't. It's just so perfectly in this segment that I had to start it off first. I'm just going to agree with you guys because I don't know any better. All right, nice. So he's underhyped. Underhyped. Tyree. Is that the thing? Oh. What? Tyree? No, that's Kyrie. That's Kyrie.

Okay, I am a... Kyrie! What a reference, though. That's how often we do that in the studio. RDC World War, come on the pod. Nintendo Switch 2, overhyped or underhyped? Or perfectly hyped? Unbelievably hot take. Mm-hmm.

Oh, no. I kind of think it's overhyped. No, I agree. Actually, my review is going to come out. My review will be out by the time this podcast is out. Guess who hyped it? And I kind of. No, I kind of agree. The the what is the beginning of an essay called the thesis? The thesis of my review is the switch to and my review of it don't matter. It's just the games.

Yeah. You're just here to play games. Welcome to Nintendo. What game do you want to play? Get the console that plays that game. Can the console play the game? Great. Can the console not play the game? Don't get it. Get the one that plays the game you care about. Yep. I want to play Mario. All right. Get a Switch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm coming at it from a person who had a Switch OLED.

And I feel like coming from a Switch OLED, it feels really overhyped because I feel like the screen is not even as good. The bezels are way bigger. I am such a higher refresh rate

Diva? Loser. I am so torn on the screen. Like, OLED looks better, obviously. Yeah. But 120 hertz also, to my eye, for the few games and the few times that I can see it, also looks great. I've just never been like, oh, I want Mario to be 120 hertz. That's fair. Like, I...

It does look amazing on Mario Kart. Most of the games are 60 anyway. Yeah. The new Mario Kart looks like it's an Unreal Engine game, and I think that looks great. I think it's cool. I think it's kind of weird. No, it's just a little bit weird to see a Nintendo game in such high fidelity and with high refresh rate and all this stuff. I mean, it's fantastic. So, I mean, I don't know. I think...

There's been all these articles coming out from very reputable people who do very thorough, reputable tests. So they are smarter than me in this category. And they're saying like, oh, all of the Switch 2 graphics updates are basically remasters and the games look so much better and blah, blah, blah. And I downloaded the graphics update for Breath of the Wild. Me too. And started playing it. And I'm like, yeah. Yeah, I didn't notice it. I didn't.

You know yeah, it's like oh the draw distance of the I'm like okay This has never been a thing It's every console though like the ps5 came out and they were like look at this ray tracing And I would I would now see worse I would need a side-by-side to know but Nintendo is the last possible company that this should matter to people about you know I mean it's overrated. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a little bigger screen better chip and

play more games. I think for a lot of people, the switch two is like the better console. Cause that's a lot of better features. And as you know, it's a bigger screen, so you can play it with your kid and you can all see it easier. And it's like, good, you know, it's good. It's a, it's a very, can it play switch one games? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Great. Yeah. So what was yours, Ellis? Uh,

Dude, I think I've played any Switch one or two, like maybe one time. I literally wouldn't. But you've seen the hype. I've seen the hype. The hype has been unbelievable and it's been all me. Nintendo is just like a vehicle for this like...

this very indescribable feeling that's somewhere between... It's like, no, it's like this feeling that's like somewhere between like holding a newborn puppy and like, and like building a house made of twigs and gingerbread at the same time. I don't know. Like, and, and like, I think that was because the only Nintendo, like I had a Game Boy or whatever, but like...

the Wii was like a huge part of my childhood. And that thing was just like dripping in sauce. Like every sound it made, every visual cue. You can hear it without even us playing it. You can hear it. You wanted to leave it

open on your TV all day. Yeah. Just have the sounds playing. To me, when I picked up a Switch One for the first time and the background was gray and there was no music and I was just like, what? I don't need this. Come on, man. You know that's not what I'm talking about. They were better on the Switch One.

So yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say overhyped, but I also, I don't really game like that. I'm not the person to. I'm agreeing. I saw the hype go so far as one of the podcasts I listened to literally named one of their episodes Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2, Nintendo Switch 2. What losers. Insane. Like the hype was crazy. They probably have no talent. It's not one of those basic. I don't want to use my appropriately hyped yet because I feel like I might need it later, but I do want to say like,

I don't, I don't think anything that anyone that, sorry, I don't think anything that everyone likes is overhyped. You know, if everyone likes, everyone's happy. Great. Everyone's stoked. Well,

Why do we have to come in and rain on everyone's clothes? Fair take. Yeah. Which is like basically describes the Nintendo Switch 2. But also if you use an Android phone, you're a loser. Yeah. No, that basically describes the Nintendo Switch 2, right? Because there's so much stuff online that's so negative about like, oh, it says it's 120, but it's technically this and blah, blah. And it's like...

Are people happy? But this is, again, it's like the whole Nintendo ethos. It's just like, it's about the games. It's about the joy. It's about the like. I don't know, man. I can really tell the frames per second when I'm playing Animal Crossing. It's very obvious. Yeah. Debt simulator 2025. So I don't know. Yeah. I'm going to say overhyped and we contributed to that.

I still, I'm not upset that I bought it. You were Nintendo Switch 2 for like three weeks running. Yeah. Yeah. But you never said it was good. That's true. That's true. I don't think it's bad. This is the other thing. Right, right, right. I just like, I think that the screen's a little bit of a downgrade. The bezels are a little big. But that's like my only complaint. And I don't think it's bad. And they had to make something else. And they weren't going to, you know, Nintendo found a winning formula and they made it better. And that's about it.

uh, yeah. So before you read the next one, I don't think you're going to be able to cut out what I said earlier. Definitely not going to. So I didn't mean it. It was a joke. Speaking of Android, I love my Android friends. The next one on the list. Coworkers. I really did not mean that one guys. And again, my overhyped only means that the level of hype that was absolutely insane. That was driven by us. Um, I'm just going to throw us under the bus as many times as possible. Do it. We deserve it. Uh,

I think this was perfectly hyped. This is what I would have used my perfectly hyped on. I mean, that's fair because everyone that bought it is happy with it. Exactly. So I guess that's true. There was enough stock. Everyone who wanted one basically got one. There weren't lines out the door. And still, they sold like three or four million in the first week or something like that. It was something crazy. I think the only thing is that I really miss Nintendo releasing a new console and there's a completely new input paradigm.

Like the DS having the second screen that was touched the road the mouse controls. What are you talking the magnets? Anyway next up Android tablets over height Under hyped or perfectly hyped Android tablets have little to no hype most of the time from most people which is appropriate And I think that they don't deserve Any more than they have

- So I'm going with exactly correctly hyped. - I'm going exactly correctly hyped too. - I'll bite. - Okay, all on one. - Under hyped. - Okay, perfect. You're going under hyped. - Going under hyped. Because as the world's biggest hater of Android and Android devices,

You wanted to wipe that out of the podcast two minutes ago. Yeah, well, I was rude. I hate Android devices, not the blessed souls who are forced to use them. You know, but... I can't wait till you fall in love with Android in like six years. I'm going to play all these back for you. Please do, man. And then... Nope. And then we'll tweet it. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. Here's the deal with Android titles. The thing that is really cool about Android is that...

Every app ever that could possibly be conceived has already been written and deployed on the Google Play Store. So as like a daily driver, this is my cell phone operating system. Not a fan. As I have a very specific use case that involves a wireless network and some function I need to perform and it needs to fit in a small box and I know it needs to be reliable.

Android works really well, which is why I have a big stack of Android phones in my apartment for when I need to run a small media server that does not need a lot of bandwidth, for when I need to set up an NDI camera rig at a gig, for all sorts of various computery things. They're super useful for that. And so, as I've been seeing you with your Galaxy A10 Ultra tab? S10 Ultra.

Thank you. As I've been seeing you with your tab get around your life and using it every time I see you I think that's pretty sweet and it looks like it works really well except for the fact that we couldn't figure out how to mute it. Yeah. Last episode. That was pretty I literally had to put on do that this day. Yeah. But other than that I so this is all to say that if you happen to get an Android tab in your life

and you can think of some random thing that you don't want to sacrifice a computer for, probably is pretty sweet. Asterisk, the Android tab I have floating around my life is a Huawei MatePad Pro, which is so locked down. Yeah, it's hard. It might as well be in a maximum security prison. Yeah. So not for me, but for you, maybe. I'm just kind of a tablet hater in general. Perfect, because this next one is iPads.

Overhyped. Overhyped? Exactly hyped. I'm using it. I think it's overhyped. Exactly hyped. I do not understand. I'm like, it's a... I think if you asked me this before iPadOS 26, I would have had a different answer, but I think now... The beta's convinced me. It's a laptop now. The beta has convinced me. Is it overhyped still?

It's possible it may still be overhyped. I don't know. I think I have to stick with overhyped, but I'm going to give iPadOS 26 a chance for it to be perfectly hyped. The only thing 99% of people do with their tablets is watch Netflix. Oh yeah, for 99% of people, overhyped. For 1% of people, maybe perfectly hyped, maybe underhyped. To be determined. No, for sure. I mean, there's digital artists that use them and it's really great for them. It's probably underhyped in their eyes. But for the 99%,

that netflix could be had anywhere else yeah don't buy the pro don't buy the pro for the netflix guys i did the most embarrassing thing happen to me i'm like trying to see if i could even find the picture but ipad related i was like on a facetime call someone which is something i really like the ipad for um because its webcam is better than the one in my six thousand dollar macbook somehow um

Noticeably better. Like when I call people on my laptop, they're like, ew. Anyway, they were like, what are you wearing to this thing tonight? And I was like, let me just show you. And I walk into a mirror and flip the camera around. And everyone just broke out laughing at me holding my iPad up to the mirror. I totally forgot I was on the iPad. I have the screenshot. What do you think, guys? Yeah, that was literally it. That was exactly it.

And like, I have the screenshot somewhere that they sent me. I'm gonna have to find it anyway. That's so good. Okay. That's priceless. How are we feeling? We want one or two more? I have one more thing I could say about iPads. Go for it. Which is I lost my Apple Pencil on whatever our last work shoot, travel shoot was. Very easy to do. I literally feel like a part of me died. I didn't sound like I was using the Apple Pencil every day. But like every time it's not, I open my iPad and it's not sitting on top. I'm just like.

- There goes a hundred dollars. - I could have been sketching or handwriting. - Yeah, well, I'm a diehard scribbler. I think scribble is like one of the coolest things Apple has ever released. It's not the coolest. The coolest is standby mode on the iPhone. Maintain that. - Standby me. - But anyway. - Go. - What about the math notes? - That's up there. But math notes is only empowered by scribble. - Cool. - God damn.

Wow. All right. Next up. Get wrecked. Last one? Do we want to make this the last one? One to two more, yeah. Smartwatches. The silence. In the interest of being quick. Exactly. That's why I picked this one. I saw a selfie I took a little bit ago where you could see my Apple Watch Ultra, and I have not worn it since. So I'm having a little bit of a moment with smartwatches at the moment. I was just like, God, my whole wrist. I'm going to go overhyped. Edge to edge.

I'm going to go overhype because I think that they may be extinct in under a decade. Ooh, hot take. That is a hot take. There's a chance that the face wearables completely eliminate the face wearables. Do you want to run while I'm wearing glasses?

I would run with smart glasses. But that's not a smart watch. If you just want to ban to wearing a wrist to like a fitness track, then do that. It feels more like to me, like smart watches used to be like, wow, I can do my computer on my wrist now. But now it's more like they're just fitness devices. Like pretty much all smart watches are. Exactly. So I would rather have smart glasses and a Fitbit than a huge screen on my wrist, you know? And a real watch.

That's a, you know, some people might do a real watch. So you would never watch at all? Probably not. Really? Yeah. What about when you need another time? Yeah, I'll just check my phone. Good question. Damn. And then you look like a... I'll just check it on my glasses. Oh, okay.

I'll just do the nod that the Google Glass thing made. 340. Or whatever Andrew's doing. Wait, this is crazy. So I saw, I was at the Nothing event, and someone was, they have one of those neck mounts with a MagSafe thing, so they were recording a POV with their phone on the neck mount, and then they had the even reality glasses that have like two screens in it. And they were like, they were doing this, and the whole time, I'm not joking, they

The whole time they're like doing this with their hands and they're just like reading their script while staring blankly ahead. And I was like, wow. Next level, man. He's locked in. He's locked in. We've entered the future. That dude was creating. Dude, he was contenting. He was content creating. Contenting. I think your phone can do pretty much everything. It's always kind of weird when it's like,

My phone has dual band GPS for Strava, but my watch doesn't. The Ultra does, doesn't it? The Ultra does. I do prefer to not have to run with a phone, and it's cool that it can do the fitness stuff without it. It's just that for what smartwatches were originally invented for, which was to get notifications on your watch, I don't want that at all. So it's turned off.

Yeah, but then why even wear a smartwatch? For fitness. Exactly. Yeah, but regular watches are cooler. Overhyped. This is true. You're agreeing with me. I mean, Ellis has found the picture. I found the picture. Half the size of your torso. It's so funny. You look like a ghost. My internet went full potato at the same moment, too, so it's like a blurry photo. What are you wearing? You're going to kill me in my sleep. Close.

This is going in the show notes for audio listeners. Oh, my God. Okay, David, overhyped or underhyped? Overhyped. Ellis? Dude, I mean, overhyped. I don't know. I'm having a moment, but they're nice. Okay, that's fair. Last one. Yeah, last one. Specifically for Marquez. Specifically for Marquez. But I want to hear you guys first. Actually, you guys go first, and Marquez will answer last. Okay, yeah, so he can judge us. Tyree Johnson. No, whatever.

continue go for it please please carry carry uh hybrid cars hybrids good or bad would be an easy thing for me to answer i don't know how other people feel about hybrid cars like really actually you like plug-in hybrids or specifically plug-in hybrids whatever you want difference whatever yeah however you interpreted that i have my go for it

I think plug-in hybrids are underhyped. Okay. Because if you can get like 50 miles and most people don't drive that far in a day from the suburbs or wherever they are, and they can just plug in, that's like amazing. And then when you need the extra gas, you have it.

I still would like the world to transition completely to full EV. So obviously, you know, I don't necessarily want hybrid to be the main thing. It does seem like more of a realistic thing that's going to sell to more customers because it's cheaper as well. So there's that. So I think it is underhyped. Okay. Ellis? Yesterday, I hung out with a hybrid and its name was...

panamera 4e 4se hybrid 4 4s space e hyphen hybrid 1000 x yeah and uh and i uh it what was so cool about it to me is that it on the electric motor exclusively it had 40 miles of range like david said so i don't believe it's a plug-in hybrid i can't quite remember but you can do your commute on the battery

and then do everything else you need to do on the gas motor. And yeah, when I think about, there's realistically almost all- I can't believe you said gas motor. Oh my God, I'm gonna yell at you, sorry. As opposed to- Just the engine. The engine.

They call them engines. Oh, it's like, it's like, it's like calling it a gas. It's like, it's like, I was being a jerk because someone yelled at me once years ago for calling it an engine in an electric car. Like, what are you talking about? I am technically replacing Andrew this week who does call it ball golf. So, you know, maybe anyway, maybe because of Frisbee golf, disc golf.

Okay. All right. Well, thanks for listening to the Pedantic Podcast. I like hybrids. I like the idea that people who have bad complaints about EVs get shown that, oh, you can still have a really high mileage car that goes really, really fast. So you're also saying underhyped? I mean, I guess, but I don't think there's anyone out here being like,

hybrids suck, you know, like I don't, yeah, I don't know. I mean, the counterpoint of that is that we want the world to transition to fully electric eventually. Well, yeah, but there are, we, it's more than just the cars, you know? Okay. I'm glad. So to summarize, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause I have, I think it's a great way to end it. I have a summary of both of your points. I am in the underhyped category as well for hybrids. Okay.

And I've thought about this a lot recently, and gas cars have come a long way. We've had gas cars for many, many years, and there are true fans of gas cars. So, Ellis, you say, why would anyone say hybrids suck? Ask sports car fans. They are saying that exactly. Really? Yeah, the 911's a hybrid, and everyone's, oh, hybrid. Hybrids suck. Don't they know that Formula One cars are hybrids? They do. But that's why I'm saying underrated, because...

I think that it's clear that the electric motor, specifically the motor, is a superior form of propulsion. Yeah. Period. It's more efficient, more torque, more responsive, better traction control. Everything about the electric motor is better. Yeah. Which I have separated out from the electric car because battery technology is still better.

has a long way to go. - Yes. - So when you say electric car today, that implies electric motors, which are great, and a massive battery, which adds 1,200 pounds to your car, which is not great. - Right. - So in this world where we want to get to all cars eventually having this superior electric motor,

Some of them can be full battery electric. Some of them can be hybrid. Some of them can do even what Porsche's done with the 911 Carrera 4 GTS, which I just reviewed, which is they just put electric motors in little parts of the car where it improves the overall gas engine experience. So in that car, the electric motor doesn't drive the wheels ever. The electric motor sits in the turbo to keep it constantly spooled up so that the gas engine is more responsive.

and they have one in the gearbox as well. Wow, that's very smart. Yeah, in general, I think people, when they think of hybrids, they think of, oh, Prius, you know, very tame. You know, I get better gas mileage. The engine turns off when I stop, and I can get 20 miles of electric, and that's all true, and that's great, but I think in terms of moving society from gas cars to,

to electric cars, the electric motor through hybrids is moving us, is ushering us to that era. So I am saying, yes, exactly. Battery technology will have to improve until we get to the all-electric world of the future. Cool. Counterpoint. I think the way we get sports car heads hooked on electric motors, hear me out. Race cars drive on tracks.

The cool part about a track is that we know where the race car is going to go before it goes there. There's some leeway. It's wide. But for the most part, we know in the future all the possible places that race car could go. If it's an S car, it's to the left. Therefore, hear me out.

Take the battery out of the car. No battery, just motor. Put a bumper car style overhang, electrified overhang with a brush over the entire track. All of a sudden, you have the same super powerful car. You're taking 3,000 pounds off the weight and full voltage the entire time. That thing would just be a nonstop kick in the pants.

That would be pretty incredible. I don't know logistically if all of the cars doing that and getting them tangled as they overlap each other. No, no, no, no. So you're picturing like a street car with like the single like... Wire. Single wire and then the hoop thing. I am. I'm talking about a bumper car. Like a roof. Where you have an awning. Because bumper cars don't even have the luxury...

of a racetrack. The bumper cars can move 360 degrees wherever they want and they still have to be electrified. Gotcha. So that's what, you see? So you would have the aerodynamic struggle of having a literal mast coming out of every... And I'm also not quite sure how you would do with elevation changes in the racetrack, but that's for engineers to figure out. A telescoping mast? So, yeah. Hybrids, in fact, because of this great idea, hybrids, overhyped, putting a ceiling over every road in America...

Under height. Think about it. Yeah. I don't say anything about inductive charging roads. So I don't care. Freaking roadway. All right. On that note, I think the heat is finally getting to us. The heat is on. The heat is on. You know what else is on? Trivia time. Let's do it. Trivia, dude. Quick update on the score.

Marquez. Yeah. 27. Yeah. From under the table while he grabs his marker that he just hit the mic with. David. 30. Lady. Andrew slash Ellis. Eight. 17. Do my points go to Andrew this week? Yes, they do. Except for the one that you did. I'll come up with a different one for you. You answer that one. Okay. Wait, I know the answer.

- Right. - Andrew needs the points. - All right, all right, all right. Question number one, guys, which of the following chart-topping musical acts have had their logo on an F1 car during a Grand Prix race? Hit it, Adam. A, Smash Mouth, B, BTS, C, ABBA, or D, U2? Just kidding, Coldplay.

What's the difference? Are we going to leave that? No, yeah. That is in the episode? I think so. I think it was during the first break. Yeah. I think we had a, so none of you know this, we had a full 10, 15 minute argument. Before we started recording. Before we started recording about if U2 and Coldplay were similar bands. I am on team no. And if you agree with me, tell me in the comments. You literally discovered through the process that they are the same band. They are not the same band. Flip them and read. What do we got?

All right. I think it had I put B. I think it has to be BTS. They are so corporate. They have so many Samsung and LG collaborations. It has to be BTS. David, what do you think? Yeah. So that's awesome. It's Coldplay, isn't it? Because it's Coldplay that one of our coworkers suggested that as an answer to this question.

And I was like, I think that'd be really sweet. And then they were like, no, no, no, actually, we shouldn't use that. I think it's going to be way too obvious. And like, no one will guess that. And I was like, I don't know. The correct answer is D.

Which is what band? ABBA. During the 1981 San Marino Grand Prix, Carl Edvard Tommy Slim Borgud was like, if I just put the most famous thing Sweden has ever produced on my car, maybe someone will try to get a sponsorship next time. Anyway, yeah, answer was ABBA, San Marino Grand Prix, 1981. Nice. If Andrew was here, he probably would have known that. That's true. Yeah. All right. Next question. But now I get to answer this question. Yeah.

Finish the sentence. Fill in the blank however you want to look at it. Google Keep is available on Google Play for devices running blank and above. So what version of Android was Google Keep announced with basically? Can we give number or dessert? Yeah, I'll take either one. Oh, see that's it. It wasn't backwards compatible? This is the announcement post, so I don't think it was backwards compatible. Can you tell us what your Google Keep came out? Fine. 2013. 2013.

That gives me nothing. 2013. Shoot. I'm wrong. Oh, no. All right. Flip them and read. What do we got? Android 4, which is not true. What did you put, Marquez? I put Android 4.2. 4.2. Ellis? Oh, right. Sorry. I've never done this before. I put Android 6. Android 6. The answer was Android... 7. 4. So David gets the point. Let's...

That's crazy. I wrote four, and then when you said 2013, I added .2. Ah. And now I'm wrong. Ellis screwed you up. Only the real keepers in the building know what's going on. Is that a honeycomb joke? It's a David joke. I don't know. The beekeepers. The beekeepers. They enjoyed honeycomb. That was honeycomb? No. That was 4.0 ice cream sandwich. Ice cream sandwich. Honeycomb was saying five.

Wow. All right, Marques, take us out. No, it'd be three dot. No, Honeycomb was. H has to come before I. Or not. Thanks for joining us on this episode of the Waveform Podcast. I am your temporary host, Ellis Roven, filling in for Andrew Manganielli, who will be back in our next episode. And I am joined by regular hosts, David Amell, Marques Brownlee.

This has been great, and we'll see you next week. Goodbye. Waveform is produced by Adam Malina. Oh, no, wait. I wanted Marques to do that part now.

way for the producer let's see if you can remember adam i don't know i figured i am produced by adeline way from his producer adam molina we're part of the vox media podcast network and our intro outro music is by vane still you forgot ellis well because but it's produced by you this week buddy yeah good luck i'm out good luck adam bingo chat gpt says coldplay is essentially a spiritual successor to youtube

Bars. Do I? That was word for word. Who said that? This is 4-0. This is the latest Jet GPT model. I f***ing hate this podcast. Wow.