Tesla Opens its Superchargers and Weird MWC Gadgets?
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All right, what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marques I'm Andrew and I'm David and this week. We'll have a little bit of a my god. Hmm. Sorry. Just caught my eye David your shirt It's oh, it's so bright bright. It's really colorful. What is it? This is a choice, isn't it? Well, you know YouTube commenter Ashmit Gupta said

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Well, okay, so this week I got a little story time for Tesla opening up their superchargers. But also we have some wacky phones from Mobile World Congress to talk about. Then we'll wrap it up with a couple quick hits like a little flip they switched on the iPhone and some iMessage on Windows laptops stuff. But I guess I'll just open it with the story time. I just got back. I just got back from a little road trip. So we've seen these headlines for the past,

I don't know, months of... Years. Yeah, a long time. Tesla's going to open their superchargers to non-Tesla EVs. And in the U.S., there's two kinds of electric cars. There's Teslas and there's all the rest. Teslas can charge on Tesla superchargers and also on public chargers for backup. All the rest...

charge on public chargers all the time and we've talked about the reliability issues with those the charging experience with those not being ideal if you're buying a hundred seventy thousand dollar lucid air and your best bet is like crossing your fingers that hopefully the electrified America charger works it just doesn't seem to match up so you

You know, Teslas have been the ones that I largely recommend in the U.S., but today, as of the recording, for the first time, that is now different because there are some select Tesla superchargers in the U.S. Ten, I think, right now. Ten or something under a dozen that have been retrofitted with this new thing called the Magic Dock. Okay.

and you can officially charge on them with a CCS car with a built-in adapter. So today I went out with the Rivian R1T up to the closest one, which is actually like an hour and a half upstate into New York. And I checked it out and I saw how it went.

So here's how it went. I first, I drove, I got there, I had like 90 miles of range left, perfect. I opened the Tesla app and it shows like a map of the superchargers in your area. You pick the one that's on the map and you say, okay, which charge port am I at? Because with a Tesla, you know, you just unplug it and plug it into your car and it's plug and play. It's so seamless. With this one, your car's not talking to the Tesla superchargers, so you kind of have to do a little extra work. You tell it, I'm at stall 1B.

You hit the button, you hear a little click, and it's actually unlocked. When you pull it out, the head of the plug has an adapter on it already that works with CCS. And you plug it in, and then it's plug and play. It just starts working, and all the action happens in the Tesla app. So there's no screen on the stall. There's no extra work. You have a Tesla account. It all happens in the app.

And that for me worked fine. Like that to me makes the Rivian a better truck for me to own in this area because now I can actually reliably move around on Tesla superchargers that are reliable. It's not as fast as a perfectly working Electrify America charger would have been, but

I maxed out at about 155 kilowatts, which for those of you who know, a V3 supercharger working with a Tesla will go up to 250 kilowatts. And a perfect condition Electrify America charger with the right car may briefly hit 300 or 350 kilowatts, which is crazy fast charging. But you know, it was fast. It was fast charging. It worked. That's the bottom line. So that was what was exciting. And I was about to turn around and leave.

But I did want to stay for a little bit and just like fill up because I had to drive back here. So I went and grabbed a Dunkin' Donuts muffin and I came back. And when I came back, there was a Lucid Air, two more Teslas and an F-150 Lightning. Dang. Oh, wow. That got really interesting. So what's happening is here's the, this is what I think is going to be the most interesting about this, which is like, okay, cool. More EVs are more, you know, possible to road trip with.

but every single Tesla has a charge port at the back left corner of the car since they started making them. And the point of that is Tesla superchargers have the exact perfect cable length so that when you back up into the spot, it just reaches and you plug in and it's the shortest cable for the fastest charge and everything's optimized and that's great, but all these other EVs all have the charging port in various different spots.

I pulled up with the Rivian, which you might not know, has a charging port on the front left corner. So instead of backing in, I pull into a spot, but I am technically in the wrong spot for the one that I'm charging at. So if you backed in, you would have been in one spot because I pulled in forward. I was in the wrong spot for that car. Oh, pfft.

which is fine if it's just one of me but what if more show up right so the lucid air shows up the lucid air has it at the front left as well the f-150 lightning shows up it has it at the front left as well

And so now what happens is when the F-150 Lightning showed up, there were actually three spots available. Only one of them was it possible for it to charge at because only one of them had the cable available on the correct side for that car. And then at that point, are those other two spots not available for even Teslas? Because it's used or one of those spots doesn't work for a regular Tesla. I think I'm gonna have to check my video. But in the moment, if another non-Tesla pulled up, they could not charge.

I think Tesla's would have been able to charge. Well, so, okay, so it's three empty spots next to each other, right? Assuming the F-150 pulls in the middle spot, then it's using the charger from the left of it, correct? So that left spot's now...

Now it came from where a Tesla would have been. So even a Tesla in that left spot couldn't charge. Right. Yeah. And then in the right spot, a Tesla could charge. Nice. Yeah. So basically the idea is if it's all Teslas, you'll maximize all the spots. As soon as one non-Tesla shows up and parks anywhere, it can throw off. Yeah. It goes from eight superchargers to seven to six to five because people are not able to correctly. So it becomes actually like an etiquette problem.

because the lucid backed out and parked on the other side so that there was three next to each other so that the f-150 could charge so we all have to talk to each other to figure this out so it's like the urinal and they're like it's gonna become this like unwritten rule of this is how you have to park yeah it's really interesting i'm really curious about the magic charger and how it works so so is it like there is one hose that is always in the charging thing and when you hit the button it it

attaches the adapter? So when it's hanging in the normal supercharging position, when you arrive, most Tesla superchargers, it's just the normal cable. Right. And you just pop it out with the button and plug it into your car. Yeah. With this one, it's sitting in an adapter already. Okay. When you arrive. So when you unlock it with the normal Tesla, you just pop it out like normal.

If you unlock it in the app with a non-Tesla, it keeps the adapter locked onto the head and it unlocks the adapter. And so when you pop it out, the adapter's on the cable.

So that's the retrofit that they came up with. Is there no way to steal the adapter? Is it like locked on to the... I didn't try. That's a really good question, actually. I guess, yeah, the pin that I unlocked was specifically to pop it out of the harness, I guess it's called. So I never tried to take it off the end. I assume you won't be able to. I would hope so. I hope. Yeah. Yeah.

Something that's kind of good that happened, I think, yeah, February 15th, which was actually only like two weeks ago, is that the Biden-Harris administration announced that new $7.5 billion EV charging plan. And in order to be eligible to be one of the chargers that's going to be on the road, you have to have 97% uptime.

Okay. Which compared to our experience that we had on the road trip is like night and day. That would be amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Cause currently it's like terrible. Yeah. And Tesla chargers have like incredibly good uptime. So I mean that, that whole bill, cause that's the same bill that also basically, uh,

had tesla make this change right because they weren't allowed to get funding from that bill or a bill previously similar to it unless they oh we're for other cars from this bill i believe once they opened it up to interesting not only their own company that makes sense they were allowed to start getting funding which we covered a few months ago i think um so that's that's cool that means through some of these different ev laws we're having in the u.s now we now have

Tesla chargers that can charge non Tesla cars and hopefully Yeah Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how they enforce tax I don't know how you can like just say you have 97% uptime I don't know if that's if they're gonna have someone tracking all the time well remember when we were on the road trip and The charger that Brandon I went to that was broken We started getting tweeted at by like the New York State Department of electric vehicles or something because they maintain it. Yeah, I

And then they contacted Ford and got really mad at Ford. Yeah. But that's what I suspect is going to keep happening. We all think it should be up 97% of the time, but who's going to actually do that? Yeah. They'll have to find some way to report in with it. Probably monthly or something. Hopefully it'll be a better than...

previously, but I do think all the infrastructure should be ultimately getting better now that we're having more and more cars come out. And now even if the people going to those chargers are now going to go to Tesla chargers more, they have even more incentive to try and keep up because they're even losing the revenue from that. It's an interesting choice, actually. If you are driving one of these vehicles, the choice of do you go to a Tesla one or a non-Tesla one is kind of interesting. My price per kilowatt was, I think, if you don't have an account, I think it was 50 cents per kilowatt.

which is like competitive, but you can get cheaper at other chargers. But then you have to risk maybe the charger not being up or being broken. Do you know how much that is compared to charging a Tesla on it? Is it more? I think it's slightly cheaper. It said 10 cents cheaper per kilowatt if you have an account.

So I don't know. It's different per supercharger. You obviously have to check. I'll do the math in my video also on the autofocus channel so we can all see the difference. When you say account real quick, do you mean just an account that you have to make to go? Or like, can I have a Tesla account without owning a Tesla? You can have a Tesla account without owning a Tesla just so you can use the app. But you won't necessarily have a membership, which I think is a month. Oh, that was another thing we talked about. There was a membership.

That they were offering the last time we talked about this headline, who knows how many months ago, and probably the eighth time we talked about it. But there's a membership to get cheaper charging rates. Yeah. Can you be a member without being...

without owning a Tesla? Do you know? That I don't know. Okay. We should figure that out. That's interesting. But being a member made it 10 cents per kilowatt cheaper. Okay. So if that, if you wind up doing road trips through a Tesla charger a lot, even without a Tesla, it could potentially be worth it, but it's still pretty cheap to fill up, right? Yeah. So total, I went from 30 to 85% on the Rivian, which is a pretty big battery. It's 135 kilowatt hour battery. And that

Here's one more twist to the end of the story. The F-150 Lightning charging port is on the front left, but it's kind of like back a little bit over the wheel, you know where the badge is? Yeah. And the cable was just barely, barely long enough to actually plug in. So I was there, there was a YouTuber actually who was there who was testing this. He pulled his car up one inch from the stanchion. Oh my God. To like almost hitting it. Oh God. To be able to...

Stretch the cable taut all the way to like bend it around the flap because the flap blocks it. You have to go over the top of the flap and it just barely, barely worked. Those Tesla hoses are really short. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, and that was in the spot.

That where he's already using the wrong quote, the wrong charging port. Yeah. Yeah. So if that hadn't worked, we were going to try. I have video of the lucid, which was like parked halfway out of one of the spots to work. And then if the I think they were going to swap after I left. So maybe his video will be up by the time this goes up. But like he was going to try swapping with the lucid. It

It was, it's just, there's going to have to be conversations at superchargers when three different types of cars show up with three different types of charging. Yeah. Do you think there's any chance they extend the cable? No, I think that's harder. The problem I see with it, if they don't do that though, is now, so I already was going to have the question of like, do we see this becoming an issue in a super popular supercharging, uh, locations like on the West coast where there already is a line. Like that's one of the one thing with EVs that, uh,

kind of sucks is if you're at a gas station line, everyone only takes two minutes. You're at a line for a charger and you need that charger, you're there a couple hours. So now if you have that position where one non-Tesla EV is in there and taking up two spots essentially, you could be doubling or tripling that line very quickly. And I

I can't wait till the public freak out subreddit has like fights because an F-150 lightning guy. They're just like fights at the Tesla supercharger. But I feel like Tesla for their own customers needs to do something to make that. That was interesting. So I'm really curious how they're going to roll this out. I think...

the ones that they've opened up so far are specifically some of the lowest use superchargers just so they can see how it goes like when i got there at you know nine in the morning or whatever i was the only one there there was one other model three briefly before other people started showing up to try to test

And all the ones that are in our area were not on the map. And I wonder if they're going to just not do that for a while. Just see how it goes with the non highly used ones because of the types of things I just mentioned, which is like there are going to be people like crossing over people like making spots on optimized. And I don't think that's going to fly in the ones that have like 16 stalls that are always full. So I think it's a wait and see type thing for Tesla, especially considering how that went. What else? We did pricing.

How many chargers? Yeah, I think making the cable longer would have been a harder retrofit. Oh, yeah. It's not even a retrofit at that point. It's like rebuilding. It's just like fully rebuilding. Yeah. Right. I would say, though, if they do get the funding to make new chargers and they make a lot of new chargers, they should just try to figure out how to make the cable longer from the get-go. They have to, I think. Yeah. Yeah. It's also, doesn't it kind of feel like the Apple effect where it's like when they opened up FaceTime for Android, it was like,

Yeah, we enabled it for you, but like, you know, in order to get the best experience, you need one of our phones. Yeah. I think that's a really important thing to talk about because...

That might potentially be like, it's not only that, it's like we did it and we can get a lot of funding because we did it. But it's not the best. I honestly don't think that's, and I'm usually pretty hard on Tesla. I don't think that's really, I think they're getting the funding. I do think they will try and make it a better experience for everyone. Mostly because if they don't, they're screwing over their own business.

their own customer base. Right. They need to find a way, ideally, to make it available for more cars and also not make it worse for Teslas. Yeah. Kind of like, you know, an iMessage group chat where everyone's blue bubbles and then suddenly the green bubble shows up and screws up everything. It's like the same thing. Like when an F-150 Lightning shows up, it just ruins the optimization that was happening there.

And I do feel like Tesla at least thinks about that. That's gotta be something they have in the back of their head. I was expecting them to do like, if it's a 10 charger, uh, what do you call them? Just, just a supercharger, a center station. Okay. Yeah. Like a 10 charger station. Like two of them have the retrofit, but all of them were good. Yeah. That's great. I, I would only assume they would try and make a way to like push Tesla's to the front of the line for it. But yeah,

It's possible that to get the funding they need all of them to be that way. Potentially. Like all new chargers or all new updated chargers. Interesting. Because this was an existing charger that was like...

they added the retrofit to make it compatible i imagine new chargers will also have the magic that could just be to test it to see how it's going i really think it's a wait and see it i think it's a test i was gonna enable it for the dozen that have it now and like see how it goes you know our videos will go up they'll see the pr they'll see how the conversations go yeah we'll take it from there yeah but that was my morning one last question yeah when the tesla started showing up were they like

what the what is happening do they think like people were did you talk to any of them i talked to all of them yeah uh one of them was he was watching both of our like two of us are youtubers and he's watched both of our videos so he was like charging in a model 3 and was like i just got this the other day like this is crazy you're all charging here um but yeah they just backed in and parked like sort of normal what's funny is i was going to mention there used to be supercharger etiquette specifically because at v2 superchargers

Stalls next to each other share the same power source. And so if there's 10 stalls, it's like urinal etiquette. I'm not charging up to me. Do not charge next to me because you're going to cut my charge time in half for no reason. Charge over there, please. Now with V3 superchargers, that's solved. Everyone gets full power. But now you have this new problem. So we'll see. Keep an eye on that. The full video is on the Autofocus channel for sure by the time this is out. So...

And we'll see who's the other youtuber that has that 150 stuff Let me find his name just in case anyone wants a more in-depth. Yeah, 150 I like that you both brought church state of charge date of charge cool Another also a video from the out of spec Channel he like last night as soon as it showed up on the app who drove up there and charged so like people are Testing it readily. It's great. So yeah, I

So that was my day. Let's take a quick break and do a trivia question. And when we come back, we got to talk weird phones. Trivia time. So quick update. The scores. Yes. Marquez has eight. Andrew has six.

David has nine. That's right. You're doing great, Andrew. Okay, first question. So we just finished talking about Rivian, but do you know what the company was named before it was called Rivian? Oh my god, I... Sorry. I'll accept two answers because they had two previous names. What? Two different previous names. Oh, this annoys me so much. Okay, sorry. I listened to a podcast about this and I didn't rotate the information. Oh no.

I know a lot of things about Rivian, but that might not be one of the things. Yeah. Okay. I have no idea. All right. Answers at the end. Hopefully listeners retain this information. Retain this watch time. Be right back.

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All right, we're back. Now we're going to talk about MWC, which if you don't know is the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona that happens every single year. And often there are just a lot of strange announcements at MWC, sometimes concept phones, sometimes concept laptops, sometimes real stuff. Sometimes. Yes, sometimes. And then often announcements of stuff that's coming later in the year. So it's kind of like a CES part two, but specifically more around phones and that kind of stuff.

So there's a bunch of announcements here. The first one we got to talk about that I think I have a lot of comments on is this Concept Motorola Ryzer. It's called the Moto Ryzer, which is their rollable phone. And I just want to say this Moto Rolla was right there. They could have. They could have. They could have done it. They could have. I was told that in Portuguese, Rolla means something not...

That I can't say on the podcast. Darn. Wait, I think riser is not a bad name. Riser is actually a throwback to an old flip phone Motorola phone called the riser. I didn't know that. But just like it's spelled like razor. R-I-Z-R. R-I-S-R, I think. I see. I mean, Motorola is huge in Brazil, so they probably need to be sensitive to that. Yeah, but they could have called it the Motorola too, and that would have been more fun. Motorola roller.

Well, because it's the Moto. It's not even the Motorola this now. The brand is just Moto now. Oh, that would have been so good. Exactly. Okay, that's S-tiered. I'd call this still an A-tiered name. Yeah. It's way better than a Sony phone. That might be the best thing about it. No, it's kind of cool, though. So what is it? Did you look at it? It's a rolling phone that extends its vertical height. Yes. By the way, this is all in the background of us. We did a video on concept phones, which my basic conclusion was like,

They're fine. Yeah. But what they are is a marketing spin on failed R&D or maybe just not ready yet R&D. So you do all this work, you do prototyping, you test things, and then they get to the stage where you decide if it's going to go on the phone or not. And some things are a no. They don't make it to the phone.

But we did spend all that money and do all that R&D and maybe we just like repackage it and make one phone and like show it off as a concept phone and then maybe in the future it'll happen. And then suddenly there are companies that have spun this into like, yes, every year we do a concept phone with a new cool idea and you talk about us. So that got me kind of like on this little mini rant.

This, I don't think, is going to ever be a real phone. I'd probably doubt it. It seems interesting. I mean, it's like this weird aspect ratio and the screen sort of folds into the phone itself. And then when you either press a button or change the direction of the phone, like you're watching a video, it rises from the back. So the screen sort of folds around the phone and then a motor pulls it around the front. And so much around the phone that... Yeah, I know, motor. Yeah.

It's a good Motorola. Just saying. Wow. So you can continue. Sorry. I didn't want to interrupt the joke. But it's not that it goes inside the phone either. It literally goes underneath and around the back, and then there's a screen on the back as well. So you go from a slightly short phone to a normal-sized phone? Yeah. Well, no, like a taller phone. This is completely pointless. I agree. I agree.

I disagree. Yeah, same. Thank you. But I think this is a poor implementation of it. What would you want this to do? Okay, here's my issue. I would want it to have a customizable sound effect for when it rolls. Oh, there's no doubt. If I can have it do the Jetsons car sound, this thing, as it unrolls, goes...

Knowing Motorola, there's no doubt there is a crazy sound that happens. Like the old Razer had a crazy sound effects pack of things that happened when you opened and closed it. Uh-huh.

I don't know. But yeah. What do you, what does this split? I like that. Like, I think this short form factor is kind of cool. Fits in your pocket. But this is the, so we've seen old rollable concepts that were more like this Samsung fold where it goes from a regular size phone and rolls out wide, like a square ratio. This is the rollable version of like the flip where it's a small compact phone and goes to a normal size phone. Here's the issue. Many. Yeah. When it goes up the extra, like three inches on the top, it's just this like super,

super thin, fragile-looking screen that looks like it's going to break immediately. And now the thing, when it's small, you have the screen on the back, so now you have this uneven back. It's like when every single time we say two-in-one laptops, I don't want a tablet that has keys on the back of it. I want the back to feel normal. So those are two giant flaws I see with this. There is also a thing where it automatically rolls out if it gets put in landscape mode, which seems bad because if it's in your pocket,

and happens to get... It just starts rolling out. And then also having movable parts in devices is just kind of a bad idea. That's the main thing. We had those pop-up cameras briefly, which I loved, but let's be honest, they were kind of...

gonna be on the way out. They're a stopgap. They lasted one generation. Exactly. I feel like with all these concept phones, we should put them in the bucket of either never gonna happen concept or not ready yet, maybe in the future concept. This one, I think, is never gonna happen concept. I still like they did it. I think it's fun. I mean, rolling screens could happen sometime.

I think there's potential. Over a folding screen. Because if you could go from a square, small... It does eliminate the crease.

Technically true. If the crease is the issue, then yes, but you ditch the crease for an extremely fragile... Well, okay, I'm not saying this form factors how to do it. I'm saying I think there is potential for rolling, and maybe not even phone. I do remember the rolling LG TV. I do think that has a niche area where if you have enough money, there are lots of people who like to hide their TV screens, and there's...

where they have it like mounted at the wall or behind a picture or cabinets and stuff like that. So that is like a nice credenza where you can have nothing there and then a giant TV all of a sudden. Fair. All right. All right. Well, very low tier of like might could be happen, but this is, this ain't it, bro. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. Okay. Here's the next one. All right. It's the one plus concept phone. We saw this coming. This is the one we got to play with here.

This is a concept of a active cryoflux liquid cooling thing. Yeah, they call it cryoflux. So that's how you know how this is going to go. That's how you know it doesn't do anything. Yeah, so the concept phone itself has these see-through channels through the back of the phone which have this visible clear liquid with bubbles flowing through it, which looks crazy. You've seen a water-cooled PC where you can look at the water cooling.

It's like the same thing. You can see the liquid moving. It's got these tiny, tiny pumps. It has LED lights in it so you can turn the lights on and it will illuminate all of the liquid moving and it just looks like this cool, crazy thing. There's also a circle around the camera bump for some reason. You're cooling your cameras too. Yeah.

But this concept phone doesn't actually cool the phone better than normal. It's just a normal phone with lights and pumps. It actually makes it hotter. Yeah, it actually doesn't work very well. But their idea was, oh, yeah, we've tested a version of this where we do have it optimized well, and we suspect it can cool your phone while gaming 2 to 2.1 degrees Celsius, which could give you 3 to 4 extra frames per second. Wow. And can charge one minute faster.

I think it was like a few seconds, wasn't it? It was up to one minute faster. Okay. Yeah. Great. So, yeah. Despite...

How terrible all of that sounded. Wait, you're telling me that there really is water inside there? I think this concept phone has distilled water and blue lights, and the theoretical finished version of CryoFlux is a special liquid that would optimize this and be cool. It would have a way to dissipate the heat, which it currently does not have. Oh, like an actual heat sink that it would run over with the water. The thing about this is all those bubbles...

Not ideal. No, it's cool to show that it's actually what I thought was fake. I just thought there were no, there, there are, there's a real pump system where it like changes the charge of a thing. And because it slightly moves up and down it, it sucks water up and then pushes it through another channel. Yeah. It's cool to watch. Um,

Well, it's cool to watch because of the bubbles, but the more bubbles there are, the less it's cooling because it's more air than actual liquid. That logic applies to this entire phone. They did things that look cool to make it look cool that make it worse at cooling. Yeah, like if you're looking at a water-cooled PC and you just see that many bubbles going through, you're like, sh**.

I need to fix something. Yeah, exactly. So that was the idea. They made a phone that looks really cool and they presented it and they were like, but what if? I'm putting this also in never going to happen territory because...

Look, obviously we have these really complicated, really intense cooling systems for our phones because it's very important to keep them cool. They have batteries. They charge over and over, and that's one of the most important things you can do is reducing heat. But this specific method didn't seem like it was going to give that much of an advantage. And if I dug into the phone settings, it had like 3,000 milliamp hours of battery missing from it just to make this concept work.

Of course, the finished version might be more optimized, but I just don't see it actually. Maybe OnePlus will prove me wrong, but I don't see this ending up in a future OnePlus phone either.

Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I mean, prove me wrong. They do sometimes end up putting stuff in future devices. Remember their last concept phone? That's what I was going to say. Yeah, they didn't put any of this stuff in the future. Their last three concept phones also didn't come to the real device. It was a color changing back with piezoelectric, piezoelectric, however you say it. And then it was ND filter over the camera, which was the same super thing. I wanted that to be a real thing. That's the one thing that I think, please, OnePlus, prove me wrong.

Which is also a piece of electric, right? Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that probably won't come to market. I was a little bit annoyed because a lot of the headlines were like, OnePlus made a water-cooled phone, but it doesn't actually work. Like, they were like, yeah...

This could work if we had the additional components to actually cool it. And I'm like, okay, but how much extra space is that going to take up? Is the battery going to be even more reduced? I made an electric car that goes a thousand miles on a charge. Just not this one. But look at it. Doesn't it look like it would go a thousand miles? Where's your pre-order? I'll take your hundred bucks right now. It'd be interesting to see this cryoflux tech change.

put into a wireless charger instead of a phone. That's exactly what I was thinking. We have like a little more space for a little more liquid and it would just cool during the charging process. It would work perfectly with OnePlus 2 because they're so focused on like we're like with is it still called warp charging?

It's - - charging out something else. It was - now it's Vooch Vooch Super from it's an oppo. They like they like to say like to enhance the charging function, right? So like then they why don't they do this as their new like cool super VOOC wireless charging where it and it could even have the cool lights and the water flowing through the back and all the bubbles if you want because I mean, yes, I

But then it would only reduce charging temperature, which is just one of the factors. And you won't get those three frames. You won't get three to four frames a second while gaming, I guess. But okay, the irony is that almost all mobile games are capped at 30 to 60 FPS. And almost every single phone already hits that.

Whoops. Yeah. Anything that's going with like a high refresh rate is made to get to that like already and it's probably hitting that refresh rate. So like I don't think anybody's hitting that span of, oh, I've got more frames than my phone can like really handle. I think that something I'd like to see more of is Asus does that thing where while you have your phone plugged in while you're gaming, it doesn't actually push energy to the battery. It just powers all the components straight through the cable. Pass through. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't think this makes sense as a gaming phone, but as a gaming experience.

accessory for gamers to have one more RGB thing on their desk and now when they pick up their phone in between matches it'll be less hot. Yep. And that on its own. I mentioned the ROG phone and the Legion phone dual in our video. Phones that are inherently more niche but that can pull off these more optimized features for your last 3-4 FPS on Genshin Impact are the most intense games where you do want that. So

So it's out there. Yeah. Okay, what else do we get? Speaking of charging. Yes. Next, we have a new Redmi phone. Well, not new because it probably won't come to market. It might. It actually probably will come to market. A phone that charges with 300 watts and can charge from 0 to 100 in literally under five minutes. A lot. I feel like, yeah. Yeah. I feel like every single month,

We get a new fastest charging smartphone. I feel like, yeah, I just saw like a 240 watt one and I was like... That one's actually coming to market too. That one's coming to market. And so, yeah, it's like 240 watts is a MacBook Pro 16 inch M1 Max is 140 watts. Zero to 105 minutes? Yeah. Okay, so five minutes is... Less than five minutes. It's like...

450 or something. It's 300 seconds. And so divided by... So it's 1% per second. Every 3 seconds. I think they said 1% a second. Maybe at peak? Maybe at the peak. 1% per second is hilariously fast. Jesus. Let me start this timer and you just plug your phone in and watch the bat. Your stopwatch. You need to charge real quick? Here, just...

Okay, yeah. I would really... Yeah, seriously. I would really like this in something that has a bigger battery capacity. Because as we've seen with smartphones, you have this super high wattage charging, but it only hits that wattage for a few seconds, and then it drops. The charging curve is very...

gets to the top and then just dunks. Right. You know, I mean, this is that curve will be true for all of these types of batteries, but for larger capacity batteries is more interesting. Like we mentioned tablets when we were talking about this.

or computers, laptops, how wild would a 10-minute charge on a laptop be? That'd be sick. Yeah, the MacBook Pros already charge really fast, but if you could charge that at double the speed... Imagine just tapping your Apple Watch Ultra on the charger and it's just 100% super capacitors. We're in there. Those have like 410 million power batteries, so that would be insane.

100% in one second. That would be pretty nice. Yeah. So maybe that will come to market in like a year considering the 240 watt phone just came to market. Yeah. And by the time this comes, there'll be a 350 watt concept. I was going to say, did they present this as a concept or as a, as a feature of a phone concept? Okay. So I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to file this under it's coming. Just not ready yet. Yeah.

Because that is something they want to do. I'm ready for the kilowatt phone. Oh, my God. I'm ready for the kilowatt phone. It sounds crazy now, but it's going to happen. It could happen. And it's going to be like 3% in one second. Yeah. Yeah. It's ridiculous. Do, do, do. Okay. That's sick. Yep. Next, we've got a rolling laptop, which I would definitely use. Why? It is very cool. Explain. So this is not dissimilar to the Moto Riser. It's Lenovo also. It's also Lenovo. Yeah, it's a ThinkBook concept. Okay.

But it's like a regular aspect ratio computer that has sort of like a shroud over the back of itself. But then when you want to extend it, it just rises upwards and it becomes a very strange aspect ratio. It gets taller. Yeah, it gets taller. It gets really tall. It's the dual-up laptop. Oh my, it gets like one and a half, almost two X taller than the normal. I said it's like Gerald from Hey Arnold.

The hair, yeah. It takes the hat off. I think it's super sick. I would run two Arc browsers on top of each other if this was the case. Well, Arc browser, you can do vertical split tabs. So you just do one giant tall tab. Okay, so what would you actually do with that extra vertical resolution? Just have another browser for more tabs for me. Okay. Yeah. More tabs. I mean, because I'm thinking about someone who would pay extra money for this rollable crazy thing and then...

Trying to think of the reason that they got sold on this idea there are like those con like there's those Asus computers that have a second display on the bottom and Theoretically you can do anything quote-unquote second display by just splitting the display, right? So if you wanted to have like discord or twitch chat in the bottom and then have your game in the top part you can do that Yeah, you know, I just like more real estate to be honest. I

It's fair. Laptops are vertically constrained. I mean, they're all widescreen laptops. And so this is why Arc Browser was so interesting to me is because it put the tabs on the side like, oh, duh. Yeah, that's the spot we have more extra room. That's, yeah. Okay. Do you think this is going to actually ever? Okay. Oh, God.

I feel like this almost is kind of on my point of rollable screens where like at least this goes into a protected aspect. Like you're not going to run around and snap the top of the screen off. It provides a little more because it looks like it rolls back down under, I'm assuming, the base of the laptop. That's a guess. Is that what happens? That's a guess. Where does it roll? I guess it must roll. I mean, where else could it roll? Yeah. Under the keyboard. When it's unrolled, the aspect ratio is eight by nine.

which is like having two 16 by 9 displays on top of each other. Wait, is that not what the dual up is? Or is it 9 by 8? The dual up is 16 by 18. So it is 8 by 9. For listeners, the dual up is a very strange display that you can buy. For listeners, the dual up is the greatest monitor invented by man. I just want to say my friend just got one and I told him you had it and you liked it and he loves it.

There's so many people buying that. It has terrible pixel print. Nice. And I love it to death.

All right, Lenovo, we see you. So I like this. Lenovo always does really, really weird stuff. It's so funny watching it roll up. Like you have to go watch a video of it rolling. It's fantastic. I can just imagine being in Starbucks, like staring at somebody and your screen just slowly rolls up. You catch somebody's eyes over the top of your laptop and you just hit the button and it just rolls up over your eyes. And all you hear is... Yes.

We also got a bunch of new foldable phone news, which is cool. OnePlus officially announced that they're bringing a foldable phone to market by the end of the year, which is cool. There's going to be a new Moto Razr 4 that's coming out this year that the concepts look kind of insane for. The entire front of this thing is a display, and it goes around the cameras. Literally the whole front. The cameras are a cutout on the front display, on the flip. That's crazy.

I mean, if they can pull that off, that's crazy. Yeah. We were talking about this. I don't know if I... It's not going to look great. David and I were saying it would be really cool if there was some sort of low power always on display. Yeah. Or else it is just...

fingerprint black on the front of it all the time. It's fingerprint, it's durability. It's a lot because before you were protecting the inside screen, but the outside was at least the outside. And the screens on the outside get bigger and bigger and that's more and more functional, but that's also more and more now you just have a glass sandwich. I guess ultimately that's what a regular phone is, right? Screen just outside. That's a fact. I mean, like it probably doesn't have as much protection on the edges and you don't have a, if you're a case user, like much...

people are. It's probably not protecting that screen, but it's kind of weird. Yeah, a case for that phone is going to be weird. It's just a bumper, I guess. How long until we have a folding phone that's folding screen on the inside and the outside? So it's just...

full screen both sides remember the remember like the couple years we had where every phone's like presentation was like 81% screen to body ratio yeah 200% screen to body ratio that was that concept that's Xiaomi yeah the concept phone that was the whole thing yeah no Mi Mix Alpha yeah yeah

And I did make a video on that concept phone fully knowing that that's not going to happen and it's a terrible idea, but it was just something to look at. You can still buy it. You can't, you can't buy the alpha. You can buy the alpha. Really? Yeah. Not, I don't think directly through Xiaomi, but you can buy like, you can buy them. They're really expensive. Oh, they were very protective of it and they took it back as soon as I was done. Yeah. They were like, please no more touching. This is a very delicate prototype we made. It is a weird phone. Wow. Um,

Yeah. Next, we've got this phone from Techno, which is a brand that has been making some weird phones recently. They made some color changing phone last year that got everybody's attention. But this one is basically just a Galaxy Z Fold competitor. But the thing about it is that it's like $1,000 and there's an early bird price that makes it under $1,000. So for the, I guess this would be the high end,

hot dog style foldable. Fold versus flip? Is that like an official thing? Yeah. When I hear fold, this is what I think. Yeah. It's like the first fold phone that's going to come in at $979. Hot dog fold? Hot dog fold. Yeah, never mind. Is that not hamburger fold? Well, but if you think of the flip, then that's way more hamburger, I feel like. Because it's like buns on top of each other versus buns spreading out. I was picturing the flip on its side becoming the longest...

most hot dog i feel like we're thinking of like bun like how you would fold it yeah the bun folds over it you know if you have a piece of paper no no yeah yeah no you're right you're right you're right i see it now yeah you could fit a hot dog in exactly a samsung z but not in the z flip no it was a hot dog would be out of place in a z flip yeah but you could put a hamburger patty inside of a z flip if it was dense enough sliders are you light castle yeah

Hey guys, can we talk about phones again? When they say we go off the rails, this is what they're referring to. This is exactly what they're talking about. Off the bun. Okay. There's one more link in here.

Yeah, and then the other thing was that we're probably going to get a Pixel Fold at some point this year. So getting a ton of foldable phones this year, which I think is really sick, and we might even have enough. We were talking about this earlier. We might have enough to do a best foldable phone category. Should we do that? We've been debating it for a long time. Will there be enough folding phones that come out during the year?

And do we think folding phones are going to stick around long enough that we should have a best folding phone trophy specifically? And then will there be another year of best folding phones after? I think there will be at least two. Two years of enough. I was like, there's going to be more than two folding phones. No, there's going to be like seven or eight this year. How long until someone other than Samsung wins that trophy though? Pixel phone. Well, honestly, the Oppo Find N2 Flip. Ugh.

might be considered a better built flip than Samsung. Just the Find N2 also is so nice. The Find N2 for some people is that good. It's like the passport type instead of the bigger Galaxy Fold. Is that also coming to the US this year? No, I was largely disappointed because I was told by a source that the regular Find N2 was coming global at MWC.

And then apparently they scrapped making it global and they're going to see how the Find N2 Flip does globally because that's going global. Okay. And depending on how that does, the regular Find N2 might go global. But I'm like, guys, the better one is just the Find N2. Yeah. I don't really care about the Flip. Interesting. Yeah. Well, I think there's going to be enough to consider doing. Do you think there's 10? 10 different folding phones? I mean, we have- Samsung Fold, Samsung Flip.

Xiaomi Fold, Xiaomi Flip. Oppo Find N2, Oppo Find N2 Flip. Yep. Yep, that's six. OnePlus. If OnePlus comes out. Pixel. Pixel. This...

Techno one. Techno. There has to be one other one we're missing. I just need another one. Oh, and there's also Honor. Honor. And there's also... Yeah. There's a Huawei flip or fold. Toss the flex pipe. We're definitely over 10. Razer V4. There's not going to be a Razer V4. The OnePlus one probably doesn't come out this year, I'm guessing, right? No, it is coming out this year. Oh, it's coming out this year. We're over 10. I think we've got a new category. All right. I think it's going to happen. The category can... If you're worried about it lasting for so long, it can turn into like...

something else later or yeah we can just hold a funeral for folding phones at some point for the category we have a whole casket we have the design category and that ended up being like wow folding flip phones might become a thing it might start winning the design category but yeah putting it in its own category starting to make more sense yeah okay yeah yeah i like it so yeah i mean i think by the end of the year we're gonna have definitely enough folding phones and i think considering there's this much uh

This many phones coming out right now. Next year, I'm sure there'll be enough too. And there's genuine interest, at least on my part, of how the different ones will do it. What is a OnePlus folding phone going to do different from an Oppo folding phone? What is a Pixel folding phone going to look like? And is that going to put pressure on some others? Maybe Samsung start to look different? Does the outer screen get bigger? All this stuff.

Yet another we'll keep an eye on it moment, I think, for all these. All of these are supposed to launch by the end of the year, which is really awesome. I'm very excited. Kind of sick. Yeah. All right. Well, that loops us right into trivia then for our last segment. Let's do it. All right. So for today's second trivia question, I wanted to do another audio round. So I have three sound effects. This time we're going...

sounds and jingles from famous tech company advertising. Um, so I'll play all three sounds right here. You can let them sit in your head. And then at the end we can, uh,

Start make our guesses name like the company or the product the Company, I think all three. Yeah, all three of them are companies. Okay. Yeah, I know the coca-cola one But that's not a tech company. So it's a tech company jingle. Yeah I'll just tell you now think tech company More broadly, you know what? I mean like product company. Yeah, yeah forically a tech company. Oh

You know, like, Pillsbury isn't going to be in here. Oh, okay. You know what I mean? Okay. All right. Number one. Oh, yeah, easy. Okay. I got that. Right? So easy, Andrew. Yeah. I actually think I have a... Yeah. Number two. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And number three. No. That's a tough one. That one? That's a tough one. You went an increasing order of difficulty there. If you...

If you think really hard about this one, you will get it. When I tell you, you're going to be like, oh my gosh. Are points one per correct guess or one for all three? One per correct guess. Wow. Opportunity arises. A lot of points on the board this week. We'll be right back. Support for Whiteform comes from Coda.

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All right, welcome back. Let's talk about a short that we did on a new feature. It was an iPhone feature. I just thought the reactions to it were fascinating, and I feel like I ended up in hot take territory, so I'll just go over what happened and then my take. I already can imagine. I think I had a similar response to when the boxes got smaller and I got kind of dumped on also, and I understand. We'll see if we're on the same page. So this new iPhone feature, iOS 16.3.1,

added a toggle in the iPhone's battery health settings. And let me actually, oh, well, I'll pull up the video so we can all get it exactly right. But it's called clean energy charging. And what it does, and this is entirely us trusting Apple at this point, because I don't know how they do this, but it knows when you plug in

whether or not you are drawing from clean energy sources or not. And if it detects that you're in part of like some routine charging, like let's say you plug in at 11 p.m., it will wait until you are charging from cleaner energy sources to start your charge or speed up your charge.

When this does happen, you will get a notification and you can override it anytime you want. But the idea is this is a opt out feature, meaning it is on by default flipped on for every iPhone in the US that just updated their software.

So, me, by myself, leaving this feature on is not going to meaningfully impact my carbon footprint. I drive an electric car. Me charging my phone at a slightly different time is not going to matter. But Apple flipping the switch for every iPhone in the U.S. collectively gives them something to brag about because they just took the equivalent of a million cars off the road or something crazy. I think they're going to say probably at their next iPhone keynote what it did. But they get to say that we made this...

free change to the iPhone that made nobody's experience worse, theoretically, and saved a ton of the environment. It's just like a rare win for the environment coming from a mega company like Apple. So my take was this is a good thing. But when I made this short, all the comments were, thanks for pointing this out. I turned it off immediately. It's like, obviously, people don't want their charging to slow down or be interrupted when it's inconvenient to them.

But, I mean, the idea is you don't even notice the future's on, which I think is what Apple was planning on. I'm curious if you guys feel the same way. Yeah. So, I mean, there is a thing that happens where if your phone is on the charger and it's not pulling from clean energy sources, it just won't charge. And it'll have a little thing that comes up that says, by the way, this is a dirty energy source. You can bypass this setting and just hit charge now. Mm-hmm.

I want to see like tweet at us if you ever get that notification get this notification. Yeah, I'm really curious I'm wondering what points of the night or the day your house or wherever you are is going to be pulling from dirty energy sources and

and I would like to know this. I get a letter from like Con Edison, like every month being like, you can pay a little bit more to make sure that you pull from clean energy sources more often. It costs a little bit more money, but your carbon footprint. - Your conscience. - Your conscience. So yeah, I think like you said,

One iPhone, especially a phone that has, you know, like a 4,000 milliamp hour battery is not going to do much. But if you turn it on for like every single iPhone in the United States collectively, it will do something. Theoretically. And the interesting, the most interesting thing about this to me is that it was, it's opt out. Yeah.

Yeah, it's rare. It's very rare that companies will turn something on by default and you have to turn it off because usually that makes people really upset, especially when it affects their charging. Yeah. Apple knows nobody would have turned this on. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. No one. Yeah. So for them to go through all the R&D, which I suspect...

is a lot for them to like location based decide when your energy is going to be cleanly sourced. I don't even know how they do that. That's one thing I want to know is like that feels very, it's like there's a lot of companies who if they said that I'd be like, really? It might be EPA data. I would bet you that the EPA requires local energy providers to say what times they're providing clean energy and dirty.

So GPS-based and then time of day is probably what's considering it. But it also depends on your provider, too. It's different for different providers. Also, my house is on solar, so what does that mean? I have no idea. But the idea is by them opting everyone into it, at least in the U.S. for now,

it is some level of a meaningful positive change. So I was like, yeah, this is a good thing for them to add, which turns out to be a hot take. People hate this. They hate this. So you single-handedly made a bunch of people use dirtier energy. I mean, I put this video on YouTube Shorts. It's on TikTok. It has probably like 5 million views between those two. Lots of people turned it off. Lots of people turned it off. And I get it. People don't want that possibility of like any...

it also kind of feels like guilting because the way they phrased it, it's like the iPhone will try to reduce your carbon footprint. Yeah. Which if they phrased it just a little different, like Apple would try to reduce iPhone's global footprint.

Yeah. Carbon footprint or something like that. Maybe it would have felt a little different, but it's like, I don't need you trying to help my carbon footprint. I mean, that's what like the whole US basically is in terms of like recycling and everything, right? It's like, let's make the user think it's their fault when it's mega corporations that are totally the problem. The term carbon footprint was created by what Shell as like a way to gaslight people into thinking that global warming is their fault when like 85% of global warming comes from like 10 corporations or something. I will say,

That's some random numbers. It's around there. It's really bad, yeah. But I'll say, and this kind of can also loop back into when I made a similar comment to reducing the size of boxes. I ultimately thought it was a good thing.

I do think this is a good thing and I do think good things can happen even if Apple's end goal isn't to be good, there is incentive for them to do this, which like the boxes, it was saving Apple a ton of money, right? - Right. - We still got a beneficial environmental impact from them saving a ton of money. - Yeah.

There's definitely some incentive somewhere here. I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's so they can say they're net zero emissions or it can help their numbers on carbon emissions and stuff like that. There's definitely tax breaks or whatever. Or just like towards something. Exactly. So it is in their interest to do this, not in the world's interest, but the world still benefits from this. Which I'm okay. It's similar to like people who donate a bunch of money on YouTube. It's effective altruism. Something good still happens.

There may be an ulterior motive of it, but I don't care because something could happen and that may have not happened in that sense. Yeah, I think most of the comments of people objecting to it were like, Apple, you could do so much more. You could source batteries better. You could do all these other things. But it also kind of feels like when a billionaire donates to charity in a very public way, you're like, oh, I see what you're doing here. But you did also just

do a really good thing and enable a lot of things to be better about the world. So I guess I can't be mad. So it's a good thing. I'm happy it happened. I don't need to relentlessly applaud them for it. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. I, I, my bet and maybe we, I don't know, do we have like a tally of like running bits of things? I do, but I haven't been adding it to lately, but I should. Somebody in the comments are on Twitter. Keep an eye on this. I,

I, I'm pretty sure they're going to in the next year say in an iPhone related keynote what this, I, it's probably tons of CO2 removed from the environment or cars taken off the road. Yeah. Equivalent, something like that. I bet at WWDC. Maybe.

I will say too, just looking it up, just to clarify how they're doing this. All the sources I've been finding say that your iPhone gets a forecast of the carbon emissions in your local energy grid and uses it to charge your phone during times of cleaner energy production, meaning like off-peak times.

So your energy grid is probably not dependent on your provider. They're all pulling from the same grid but using different providers. So the clean energy versus dirty energy is independent of your provider maybe? I don't know enough about this. I don't know enough about this to say definitively.

Like when I wireless charge my phone in my car and my car is charging on a Tesla supercharger, what happens then? I just, I don't know. I think it's going to change also a lot city by city because every city has a different relationship with different power suppliers and distributors. And anyone who lives in Philadelphia knows endlessly like how complicated this is. Yeah. Yeah. New York just shut down a nuclear plant, which was like one of their last clean energy sources or something. And.

I don't know. It's controversial. I don't know enough about it to have an opinion. Don't cancel me. Stop canceling Marques. Start canceling David. I'm counting this as a positive switch flipped, which is rare in Apple land that we can all agree that Apple did something independently siloed that is great for the environment. So I'm just counting this as like a good thing. One of the few things that is opt out that is actually probably good. Most opt out things are like really bad.

Yeah. Like they have to do opt out because no one in their right mind would ever put it. It's so rare that they add a feature even like with the iPhone when they added all these lock screen features and all this stuff with the new version of iOS you have to find it. Yeah. Like they don't automatically start adding widgets to your like all this stuff that gets added to the especially Apple. They keep the iPhone so simple. Yeah. And so like if you want to find something and add it then you can do it but everything will be in a setting for you to enable later and

And the stuff that they do with batteries, which is there is this one thing that they already do, which is if you charge at the same time every day and you have an alarm for the next morning, it will not charge your phone all the way up right away. It'll charge to 80% and then wait until an hour before your alarm clock is going to go off and then charge the last little bit because it doesn't want to be at 100% all the time. Lots of good reasons for that. That's one of the rare things that it'll just start doing automatically. I just found it fascinating that that was like

I'm very curious, like you, who's going to get this notification. Yeah. And how many people will actually see it. And we'll see. One more time, we'll see how this goes. We'll see how it pans out. We need a sound effect for that. We'll probably have a button on the roadcaster. We'll see how this goes. But that's kind of it. We have a couple other small things. There's a new Google Keep widget.

I put this in just for you. Well, I'm not going to use Google Keep. I love Google Keep. I use Google Keep every day. Really? Yeah. Is it your to-do list app? Yes, it is. Really? Because you can't set reminders, can you? I don't know. It's just like a checklist thing. Don't look at David's Google Keep. It gives me anxiety. You want to see my Google Keep? No.

Maybe not. I'm not going to show it publicly to the audience, but... I'll blur it out. Just take a screenshot. Okay. Well, the new feature is you can add a widget with your to-do list with functional checkboxes to your home screen. That's a fun little thing. All of those are active notes? Yep. Yeah, you don't even color code them. And they're all checkboxes. Yeah, but it's got a really good search feature. Have you seen my tab management? That's fair.

Yeah, Andrew, let's go. I actually recently moved a lot of my kept Google Keep things. My mileage plus number just randomly in here. I did a lot of this. I moved a lot of that stuff into Notion and I have like a section for things that I keep long term. I have my like mileage plus number or like backup passwords. It's literally called Google Keep. You should be keeping them in Keep.

Well, I have some stuff. The one thing weirdly that I've kept there is in golf, I have like my stock yardages for all my clubs. So when I'm playing, I pull up the document and it's got like seven iron 185, six iron 195, five iron 205. And I can just like pull it up, know the yardage. And that's like the thing that I keep there.

I don't do the shopping list thing. I don't do the to-do list thing. I don't use Keep that much. Well, the news is the widget for Keep. Yeah. That can now be on your home screen, right? Which is cool. Unless you check stuff off. Right. Unless you check stuff actively. I think you couldn't do that before. Yeah. Yeah. So now you can have like a shopping list and you check it off on your home screen instead of having to be in the app. Do you know what's cool that you can do on Google Keep? That like...

I saw recently that I didn't know you could do is keep users baby you can take a picture of like your shopping list on like a whiteboard yeah you can change it into text and add checkboxes onto it so like you can do a grocery list that easy and now you can add it to your home screen we should do a short on this I think it's a I think you listed that already okay google keep power user hidden features let's go yeah

I love power user features. Yeah, I use it all the time. One last thing. Microsoft brings phone link that lets you now use iMessage from your PC to

Is this better or worse than Air? What is the thing on the Mac? AirMessage. AirMessage? Yeah. Is this actually going to work? So the difference is that for AirMessage to work, you have to have a Mac server because it's passing the information through the server into the cloud and then to your phone. Yeah. Whereas this is a Bluetooth handshake.

that is connecting your iPhone to your Windows computer via Bluetooth. And then it's just passing the information through your iPhone over Bluetooth to the Windows computer.

It shows your iMessages on your computer, but it is only messages that you've gotten and sent since you connected in that session. So you won't have a history. As soon as you disconnect, they go away. Yeah, that was my question. Because I could understand not having all your previous messages when you first joined. But then every time I close my laptop, oh, that's terrible. Yeah. You can't do group messages and you can't send photos.

So it's literally like you are just texting, but it happens to show up as a blue bubble on the other person's phone. Well, I guess it's happening while you're working. Like if you don't want your phone up, like if you want a separate chat log on the side. But no pictures sounds crazy. Like that's something I would love to just...

Because I have-- - Drag it from the desktop. - Yeah, I have way more pictures on there that I've edited or whatever that I want to send to somebody. - Windows has already integrated iCloud Photo, like iCloud Photo backup through their Photos app, I believe. So you can sync iCloud Photos on Windows now.

but it's not within PhoneLink. So that's pretty frustrating. It's possible they could bundle them in the future, but AirMessage, which is what I've been using to be able to send iMessages through an Android phone, allows you to do the full resolution photos and videos that you can do on iMessage. It allows you to do group messages, which is huge.

The only thing you can't do right now on AirMessage is react to messages, but you do get reactions. You just can't react back yet. It's also funny because just regular RCS lets you react to iMessages. Yeah. Now on Android. This is what I was going to say. Well, yeah, I guess that's through Android, right? So this is specifically for people who have iPhones but have Windows computers, which...

I know that doesn't seem like there's a lot of those people. Oh, no, there are. Totally. Yeah, I guess there are. I have a couple of friends that work in like finance that work at my cafe a lot and they have iPhones for their phone, but they are issued like a Lenovo laptop that they can only use that for work. Yeah.

So, I mean, if you want to be able to text from your computer and you have an iPhone but you have a Windows laptop, then I guess it's beneficial. It's just, like, annoying that it wipes it every session and can't do images and can't do group messages and all that stuff. It's a start. It's a start. It's a start. Well, you know what I'm going to say already. Trivia? We'll keep an eye on that. We'll see how this goes.

I want to give a quick shout out to Hasan Minhaj who had me on The Daily Show. He's hosting The Daily Show this week and he came to the studio and we shot something briefly and it was really fun. We'll put a link in the show notes. It's he hates tech. I'm the tech guy. That synergy was hilarious. So check that video out. But we should wrap it up with those trivia answers. Let's get to it. Trivia, dude. Trivia, dude. My marker's over there because I threw it at the camera last week. Sorry.

Alright, so first question. What was the name of Rivian, the company, before it was called Rivian? And they're writing. Writing on the boards. Deep looks of concentration. Time's running out. Do you have your answers? Man, I don't know this one. I have no idea. I actually am very curious what the answer is, but I don't know what it is. Well, there's two.

Okay, there's two. All right, flip them and read. Hold on, I'm still writing my explanation. Oh my God, okay. Well, we can still get the points from that. Yeah. I mean, we're both wrong. I know that much. Yours is closer than mine. I wrote Crivian. Crabian, no. I wrote R1. No. Nope. Is it Amazon? Okay, I'm just going to say it. So it was going to be...

The name. But then I just can't remember the name. And they were going to call it that. But then another car company released a model of their car, which was the same name as the car that Rivian was the company that Rivian was going to call their company model. I don't know that to be true. So I don't have any now any sounds for that. Buzz it. Let's hear it.

I can also explain why it's called Rivian. Why is it called Rivian? Because it's a mash of the word river with something regarding I-A-N. It was like an Amazon river thing. I don't know. It's a word play on Indian River in Florida where RJ grew up. RJ being the CEO. So river and Indian.

Indian River. Indian River. Rivian. Interesting. Yeah. But no, didn't get the answer. All right. So the correct answer. Yeah, what is that? I didn't get the answer. So it was first started as Mainstream Motors. And then it was renamed in 2011 to Avera Automotive. Avera. Yeah. That's better. And then it became Rivian. Avera. Yeah.

I like Rivian. I was worried one of the names were going to be, I would like it more than Rivian. So I'm glad I like Rivian. Mainstream Motors is terrible. Awful. And then Avera is funny. There is a Nevera by Rimat. Yeah. But that, you know. To RJ's credit, he like started the company in his garage when he was in like

high school or something. This guy's crazy. There's a How I Built This episode with Guy Raz about Rivian that goes into detail about all of this stuff. We should have him on. We should talk about that. Novel idea. See how it goes. We'll keep an eye on that. Alright, this is a sound one, isn't it? Do you want us to put all three on the board at once? One at a time for sure. I am very confident about one of them. Number...

No one needs to hear it again? No. Nope. Nope. I might be wrong, but I also am kind of hoping I'm right. Okay, good. That's what I put.

So I wrote both names. Oh, get the... Did you just write it? No. Wait. No, no. He did start writing beforehand. You can check the tape. I didn't look at yours. I feel like it should be specific. Well, it's singular, which turned into AT&T, but they kept that. Well, it got absorbed by AT&T. Yeah, they kept it. Oh, they kept it? Yes. So they did keep singular as ringtone. I don't think they got it. I don't think they got it either. Are all of us wrong? All of us? You're all wrong. It's T-Mobile. Oh.

That's T-Mobile sound. I really thought that was the Singular sound. I need to play the Singular sound. I'm glad I wasn't totally out of... Also, Singular is a pretty good name for a brand. It is. It's like the only brand you need. Singular brand. Even though it's spelled differently. Oh, that's the ringtone. That's just a ringtone. Yeah, Singular...

It's not a ringtone. It's like what it plays at the commercial when it shows the logo. Are you sure you guys are just thinking of T-Mobile? That's weird. I guess it is T-Mobile. Wait, was that the same noise? Yeah, it was. When you wrote down Singular, I had to think for a second. I was like, did Singular at any point become T-Mobile? But it didn't. It became AT&T and stayed there. Wow, we just all were...

that was collectively wrong effect called when you think something you misremember yeah the mandela no it's crazy that we all thought it was singular yeah we just mandela'd ourselves i bet the comment section is gonna be like how did you not know it was t-mobile but i bet other people definitely thought it was t-mobile and or thought it was at&t and singular at&t mobile all right sound number two that wasn't it who played that david david

Will your confidence betray you on round two? No. Now I'm not so sure. Yeah. Now I'm not so sure. Verizon. Oh, no. Now I'm really not so sure. Would you like to hear it again? No. Yes, please. Oh, no. Oh, no. Now I'm really second guessing. This is part of it. Oh, no. Marquez. I'm crossing out what I think it's on. This one is legendarily burned into most people's brains. I think I'm right, but I'm...

I was so sure about the last one that I'm not... As Billy Joel would say, you may be right, you may be crazy. I'm Mandela. Okay. All right, flip them. I'm ready. Oh, no. Oh, I'm wrong. Intel. Intel. Gateway.

It hurts just as much when you're expecting it. Did you save yourself because you were like, this is burned into people's brains? Because every time I'd open my damn laptop, it would be like, da-da-da-da, and I'd be like, ah! Yeah, this one was especially tricky because this sound would get played at the end of commercials that were made by companies that weren't

- Intel, it's Intel. - I so badly wanted to write Intel inside. Yeah, like I wanted to write inside so bad. - All right, for round number three, the tricky one. Dig deep into your memories. - Oh boy. - I promise. - If this is singular. - It's gonna be Motorola. - Are you ready? - Yeah. I have heard that before. - I've also heard that. - So that sound played on one particular device. I'm not expecting the device.

But versions of that song are used for this brand throughout time. Can you play it one more time? I most certainly can. At least. What? Can you play it again? Can you play it again? Yes. Just the company? The company is all I need. Hmm.

You want a hint? Yeah. They make hardware. Nice. Helpful. Thanks, Alice. They make exclusively hardware. That sounds so familiar. That is a core memory from my childhood. I like that guitar strum at the beginning. Boom. Boom.

It's a good sound. It's memorable. You know what's funny? I put a company and then went, no, I think it's this, and then realized that was made by the company I put down already. Wait, give me like another second. Oh, we had the song just so you could, you had to finish before the end of the song. Oh, is that what it was? Yeah. Oh. Three. Three. All right. Two. Flip them. One. Flipped. Okay. Three different answers here. Before you guys read.

No changing your answers. I'm just curious. Does this jog your memory? Yeah. That's what I was picturing. I was going to ask you. That is what I was thinking. That is the extended version of what I just played you, correct? I still don't know what that is. Let's read it. It's like the orchestral version. What did you put? I wrote Gateway. I wrote Sony. I wrote LG. The answer was Nokia. Yeah.

That's what that is. And the sound that I played you, what was the 710 commercial jingle and startup sound?

Beautiful. It's funny how like when you hear Samsung's like orchestral sound or whatever, which is like locked in my brain, they play so many different remixes of that exact same sound for every event, every commercial, everything they do that it's incredible. It must be like... I'm so glad you brought this up. Can I play you five seconds of my favorite Samsung remix of one of their ringtones ever? Okay. This is incredible.

This is a live band version of the Galaxy Ringtone. What? That is incredible. I was doing an outro with it. There's like a whole music video. Oh my gosh. Like the band's in the studio. It's incredible. We'll put that in the show notes. That's incredible. They have a lot of versions. Is there a video? There's a video of this?

We need a studio viewing of this. No one got any points. What? No, we got intel. We both got intel. Oh, yeah. So you guys got two points. Marquez didn't get any points. I got no points today. Which is rough. That's okay. We'll see how it goes.

Until next week. It's like your version of Ride the Wave. I know, yeah. We'll see how trivia goes. It'll be okay. We got plenty more weeks of it coming up for me to catch up. Either way, that's been it. Let me know in the comments the questions that we asked you, of course, because I have plenty of questions. Like, do you ever see that notification? Either way, catch you guys in the next one. Peace. Waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Roven. We are partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music was created by Vayne Silwell. This is a different outro music, but Vayne Silwell could probably do this too.

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