The Switch 2 Is Coming…Eventually
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It was rumors. It was rumors. But they do have a startup that they're working on together, I believe, officially. Is this just money laundering? That's the question of the year, my friend. Another soundbite. Perfect. Yeah. What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to the Nintendo Switch 2 podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Nintendo Switch. I'm Nintendo Switch 2. And I'm Andrew. It rhymed. I had to keep doing it. Yeah, that's true. I did. Sorry. I'm Marques. And that's me.

That's Andrew. I'm still Andrew. We have some Nintendo Switch updates. Obviously, this is a fast-moving environment where lots of things change, and we're recording this a day earlier than usual. So, yeah, things may change, but we have updates on that. Things will change. They will change. They will definitely change. We will be wrong. I apologize. But also, nothing CMF phone, some Google TV streaming updates, and an Oppo Find X8 Ultra first look. Kind of a surprise sleeper.

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The situation around pre-orders with it is a thing that's rapidly evolving and interesting, and that's what we were talking about. As of right now, the pre-order is delayed in the U.S. It's still set to launch on June 5th, but pre-orders are now going to be pushed back a bit, potentially to still start shipping immediately. And that's because...

Tariffs. Lots of fun things happening with the state of the economy. We figured we might as well at least acknowledge tariffs and what they are and what that means. Because I think during this entire calendar year and probably beyond, we're going to have many more conversations about the price of the gadgets that we're talking about and how they are affected by tariffs and many other things with the environment. So here's what a tariff is, at least how I understand it.

and then we can go straight to the prices of things. A tariff is a specific lever that can be pulled by a politician that will essentially be a tax on a good that is imported into the country. So for the United States, for example,

Lots of things that we buy are manufactured outside of the United States. And so if you were a politician here and you want to encourage more U.S. manufacturing or you want to encourage more people to buy from U.S. suppliers, then what you'll actually do is add a certain percentage of a penalty for buying from someone outside the U.S. So let's say U.S. supplier costs $10. China supplier costs $5. I add large tariff to China suppliers.

so that when you buy china product it's actually more expensive than the us now i'll switch to u.s supplier that's the goal of a tariff it's way more complicated than that building manufacturing facilities in the u.s nah you pretty much nailed it extremely complicated there's a lot more to it than that but that's basically what is happening in the world of electronics where now if you look at say the iphone you might see some articles about the iphone's price potentially going up

It won't be $3,000, by the way. That is fear mongering. Yeah, but the idea is lots of parts and assembly happen overseas, and so lots of those things will cost more. And since there is no readily available U.S. equivalent manufacturing, the only choice is the price will have to go up, or maybe they eat into their margins, etc., etc., etc.

So the Switch 2 is affected by this. I think the headline that I saw is that the price of the Switch 2 as it exists does not account for tariffs, but we don't expect the price to change. We're not sure yet. I think that the reason that... So Doug Bowser, the CEO of Nintendo of America... Incredible name. I know. It does not have anything to do. No, it does not. It's just pure coincidence. And it does now. Pure coincidence. And it's like, my name is Adam Podcast. It's kind of like...

A bad coincidence because he's the villain. It's like Tiger Woods being a golfer. Like you don't want to be in the woods and golf, but like his name is Woods. Like there's lots of great last names. Oh yeah. Good opposite. There's a disc golf for the first name Eagle. And in golf scoring, it's great, but I feel like that's a lot of pressure. That's true. Yeah. Eagle gets an Eagle.

Anyway, Bowser is a villain but also the CEO who is maybe the villain but probably not I don't know I have no opinion on Doug Bowser the CEO regardless he went on on a bunch of podcast stuff and some interviews and he basically said I

The price of the Switch 2 that is $450 is what we thought it was worth. That did not account for tariffs. And so while we are assessing the situation in the United States, and that is why we are delaying the pre-orders, they didn't say the price won't change. And I think that's the reason they're delaying the pre-orders is because they need to assess if they need to change the price. And the timeline of this is...

April 2nd the announcement happens right yeah they announced the price that night is when we see the numbers yeah of tariffs and then Within that week we got the delay for the April 9th us pre-orders. Yeah. Yeah, it was within two days I think is in two days from then so the problem is that a lot of the regions where Nintendo manufactures the switch are being hit very very hard with tariffs and

They manufacture a lot of them in Vietnam and also in China. Vietnam's getting hit with like a very large 46% tariff. China's getting hit with a 34% tariff. At the time of recording. These are at the time of recording because...

uh later in the episode we'll talk about tiktok um that sort of changed things and then they pull out of a tiktok deal and that made the government say maybe we'll add an additional 50 to china so nintendo really doesn't know what they can do right now yeah nintendo is just in this very nebulous space where they're like we literally have no because they don't they they might lose a ton of money on the switch too if they sell it for that price yeah

Doug Bowser had also mentioned in this interview that I watched, I believe with CNBC, that they already have a lot of Switch 2s in the United States.

So luckily, it seems like they probably could release it at the normal price. But the problem would be once they start running more in the United States, that could be a problem. And they don't want to like release a bunch at $4.50 and then increase the price later. So it's just it's forever changing. And by the time this comes out on Friday, we might have more information. It's like the first reaction we saw because of the timing, right? In the tech world, it feels like the first...

It's not a price change yet, but it's a direct reaction to what happened because of the timing. And we don't really know

but that's gonna be- - Yeah, we were talking about this before. This is gonna happen way more during the year. Lots of gadgets are gonna come out and we'll have to, I think we're gonna have to speculate about if tariffs were included in pricing. - He said they were not. - In this, but in the future, now that we know there's some volatility here, I don't know.

i think in general we know we never hear like from the company about why they chose a price for something right so there are lots of economic conditions and suppliers and margins and things that they keep in mind when setting a price for something and

this tariff stuff is another one of those variables, but we never hear from the company about why they picked the price. So I think that's gonna continue to be true. I don't imagine any company is gonna go, here's our new price, it's higher because of tariffs. I don't think they're gonna be able to say that because they never wanna change their price. They just wanna hopefully,

predict the future enough to factor in enough margin to be okay if the tariffs change. I feel like they could say that because they are not the government of the country. I thought about that. It kind of takes it off your shoulders, but then if tariffs go away, you're expected to lower the price. That's also true, which is tough. And that will never happen. Yeah. You can't do that. Yeah. That's pretty much what happened with

Yeah, I'm not going to get into that. So anyway, yeah. Well, speaking of the price of things and them not saying generally why they picked the price they did, in the same interview that I watched, they asked why Mario Kart was $80. So this is something that we didn't cover. Actually, I think last week I was like,

$60 game because we didn't know a lot of these games are now $80 Mario Kart world is $80 the new Donkey Kong game is gonna be $70 and the interviewer asked why is this game $80 and Donkey Kong $70 how are you thinking about this and Doug said it depends on the value of the game and how much value we think the user is going to get out of the game um

Translation. I think we can get away with charging this much. Yeah, I mean, I think that they know that Mario Kart is like the console seller and it's going to be a pack-in game. So it's $50 extra for Mario Kart if you buy the bundle. So it does seem like there's going to be, there's been a lot of controversy around these game prices. Yeah, well, he called it variable pricing and that games with...

like extra depth and replayability would be more expensive and that they'll judge it game by game, which I can guarantee you whatever Zelda game comes out next will be $80. Oh yeah. Um, they also, so one thing we did do an insert in last week because there was this story that came out about digital games being $80 and then a physical copy being $90. It seems like no one knows where that came from and it seems like it's

I don't think there's going to be a price difference between physical, but we also want to talk about the difference in what physical games are now. Yeah. Because they're not really what they used to be. There are no physical games. Yeah. So physical cards is still kind of up in the air because some games, the physical card isn't the physical card that we all know. It's actually like digital key. So when you plug it into your Switch, it actually downloads the game online and then it's

In order to play the game, the key or cartridge must be put in the Switch. Yeah. There's... This is weird. It's different. There are some benefits to it, though, that I didn't account for. And there's definitely some drawbacks to this. I think the obvious drawback is...

What do we own anymore? This is not a physical thing anymore. If I want to play my Switch 2 in 15 years when the servers are offline... This is the thing. I see your face, Marques, and I see why you're like, I don't understand why this matters. In 15 to 20 years, 30 years, when Nintendo decides to turn these servers off...

all of a sudden you can't sell this you can't like give this to someone and have them put it in a switch too okay we're playing i have a couple logical questions then okay so you're buying a cartridge which is a key that you plug into the switch and then you download does that mean some of the game is on the cartridge or none of it and you still download the entire game the one's

where it's just the key, it's not on the cartridge. So you put the key card in the Switch and then download the entire game? Yes. And then is that a one-time download? So then you don't have to be online? You can plug in the key and play? Yeah, because it's downloaded. Okay. And then, so transferring it, if I wanted to unplug that key and plug it into a different, like I get a new Switch... Then it wouldn't work if the servers were down. If the servers were down. But what's interesting about this is...

If you, let's say you buy NBA 2K, because that's a game you would buy. Totally.

And you're like done playing it or your friend wants to play it. You can give them that key. They'll have to download the game, but now they can play it for a while. Or you can sell your cards. Like if you play a game, finish it. You can sell the game on Facebook Marketplace where if you only do the digital download, you can't do that because it's connected to your account. But then Marques can no longer play. But you can't play it anymore. Even though it's downloaded to your device because you don't have the cartridge. Because I don't have the cartridge. So it acts exactly like...

- A physical key then. - Yes, unless-- - Like a physical game. - Far in the future. - Until someday maybe they shut everything down. - The other super niche thing would be like if you're on a road trip or on an airplane and David's got the new Zelda game and he's not playing it, I'm like, oh yo, can I play that? And I grab it, I'm offline and I can't download it. - So offline install is the hit. - Yeah, that part sucks. - That makes sense. - And it just takes memory away from your internal storage.

Because if it's the regular fully developed card, you're not taking away storage on you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which, it's more storage, but I'm sure everyone will hit that storage. Yeah. I read that they did this because there are some games that are just too big for the storage of the cartridge, and they wanted to allow more third parties that had bigger, harder core games with more assets to fit on there, especially because it's higher fidelity, it's a much faster processor, and console, well, like PC games are like huge now. Yeah.

This is part of my speculation because I have a Switch 1 and Switch 1 games were small enough that I could fit a few games on the local memory before needing an external card. And my biggest game was 16 gigs. And now we're seeing like Switch 2 with high resolution and more textures and bigger assets is probably going to be like 64 gigs plus for a single game. So I could see that actually happening. Great point. Thank you. I thought about it for a while.

nice those i think those are the bigger updates but we also have like 10 quick hit updates that also came out you want to go through them with me david yeah let's do it rapid fire okay so remember the pack-in game switch to what is it called switch to the switch tutorial it's the tutorial it's the tutorial game

It's anyway, it's the tutorial game that teaches you about the Switch 2 and you get to walk around it and whatever. We found out it was a paid game, which we did comment on last week and said, that's ridiculous. We didn't know how much it was. It has been verified. It is $10. Welcome Tour. Welcome Tour. Switch 2 Welcome Tour. $10. What? Stupid. We also found out most of the upgrade packs to upgrade things from Switch 1 to Switch 2 editions are $10. Okay.

I can't decide if that's worth it or not yet because I haven't seen a Switch 1 game and Switch 2 game on the same Switch 2 to decide if there's a big enough difference. It's also not always about fidelity. Like, the Legend of Zelda games, they are mostly fidelity and then you get this app where you can do other stuff in the app and there's, you know, whatever. Oh, wait, I have a stupid question about this. What? The update thing. The app is free, though, I believe. Does that mean that I can't...

play my original game if I have it? No, you can. You can. It's just not made for Switch 2. It's lower resolution. That's fine. Yeah, so it depends. So the Zelda game is mostly about fidelity. You're paying $10 to make it more pretty, which is kind of ridiculous. I don't know.

The Kirby game that's being updated, they're adding an additional big level to it. So they did add content to it. So it's DLC. So that's arguably valuable. It's different on every game, which is just confusing. There's so many things about

this launch that are like oh in this case it's this but in this case it's this and there's just no through line for anything regarding pricing regarding like what the updates do regarding any of this that's why we're doing like a half an hour update yeah an episode later give them a break they only had eight years to work on yeah uh the new joy cons are not hall effect joy cons we were really hoping they would be because that would have fixed all the drift issues and

They said that they re-engineered them from the ground up, and I'm imagining that Nintendo definitely knows that the Drift was a problem. Whether or not they cared because they could just sell new Joy-Cons for $60, I'm not sure. These now cost $80. So, you know, I don't know, but we'll see. Okay. Okay, so it says...

The port on the top cannot transfer data, only charge the console. Yeah, so they added an additional USB-C port to the console, which I was extremely excited about, specifically for charging, to be fair. But apparently people were excited because they were like, oh, people could just make new docks that can make the switch go in sideways and it'll take up less horizontal space and it could be interesting. But no, it doesn't output video, so it can only charge it from there. But the camera still connects to it though, correct? So it can... I have not seen that.

Yeah, well that I showed in all the video that is in the launch in the launch they show that so it does transfer data I guess it does but I guess but it doesn't do some case doc data I guess it doesn't do you can't dock it you can't do video output only video in video in Interesting, which seems like a thing that they did on purpose Wow, but anyway, okay. Okay, cool There you see this

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, read it. What? I know, it's so funny. I didn't want to say it this morning. Okay, you probably saw that there is the Switch camera that's coming out that's in the shape of a piranha plant. Awesome. It only does 480p versus the Nintendo Edition camera that does 1080p. Yep, so that really sick piranha plant camera, it's like...

I think actually what's cool about it is the plant is USB-C, so I'm assuming you can plug it into the Switch by itself. Or it has the little stands that's like the tunnel system. 480? But it's 480 and not 1080. It's like the normal camera. Nostalgia must eventually come to an end. I bet people will buy that camera.

Put it next to their Switch and then also buy the real camera to have 1080p. Okay, but also, I did read you can use any USB-C webcam as well. Really? Mm-hmm. Okay. That's awesome. Yeah. Good to know. Everything about this is like, wow, yay. Wow. Oh. Yay. Oh. It's everything. It's everything. Nintendo did respond about the choppy playback for shared screens that we saw, and everything

I appreciated their honesty in the sense of them. They basically said like, listen, we'd much rather the majority of resources go to gaming. Like not only does it help with the games that are being played, but like more games are going to come out in the future and they're going to be more resource intensive. So let's just make sure we're using the minimum.

minimal amount for the actual game shares or not game share the like gameplay footage social aspect of it which I agree with that's more of a social thing it's to kind of see what's going on I do think like they showed some scenes where they were watching another person play the game and sort of helping them go through it I think what they should do is whatever is the primary screen they should devote most of the bandwidth I think that's

- Fair. - Yeah, but they didn't do that, which was weird. - No, they didn't. Oh, I wanted to say one more thing, which is just, I found this really interesting. So the old Joy-Con bumper, when you split the Joy-Cons, the old bumper was literally the worst thing in the world. It was really rattly, and you could put it on backwards and get it stuck, and it sucked.

the new joy con, it still has a bumper because it wants to add the wrist strap. Um, but since they made the buttons so much better, it actually now the buttons still like press through the new bumper. And it's just this really simple, like, I think there's a small, uh, hook on the bottom of it, but Mark has some footage. We can put it on the video here. I don't think we included it in the first impressions. Um,

I thought that was awesome, though. It was better. And it also puts little tiny mouse pad feet on it, so when you do the mouse thing, that's also on the bumper. Oh, you probably can't do the mouse without that. Yeah. Because it wouldn't really be as flat of a surface. It creates a flat bottom for it, yeah. Cool. So, yeah. I have a bit of a hot take. Do it. This is also stolen from David Pierce on the Verge cast. Basically, I think that this console was developed during COVID because...

Everything about it is like the social features are such a core part of it. The camera, the cutouts, the like trying to make it feel like you're more in a room. Like Switch 1, all of the advertising was like teens hanging out on a roof playing Switch together. Yeah, I think that I've said this about a lot of phones too.

in the past, but it's also probably true of this. The second generation of a product is always the most interesting because it teaches you everything that company learned from the first generation. So like when we got the first generation Apple Watch or the first generation iPad, they kind of thought it would be one thing and then they put it out into the world. They saw how people use it and they went, ah, okay, we can capitalize and make things for this exact group of people. So obviously the first switch came out in I think 2017 pre-COVID and they had a lot of ideas about how people would use it

Now they have the data and they've seen how people have used it and COVID happened during that time. So now a lot of the switch use is probably different from what they imagined in those first ads and they are adjusting to the usage numbers. Or they had three years of development during COVID where they thought this is what we should prioritize. I think it's a good point too because so many people saw that and they're like, why is anyone excited? We've had Discord forever, but I don't compare this to

- Discord, I compare this specifically to being on Zoom calls with friends playing Mario Kart. - Which people do. - It's a lot different. I get to see my friends, which is different than Discord. I mean, you can do that and you can share screens, but Discord's way more of just voice. So this is voice and seeing. It's so much more casual. - And don't get me wrong, I am super glad they added these features regardless.

But the battery life is also notably worse than the OLED model. I think the quoted battery life was two and a half to six hours. Whereas the OLED model was like four and a half to eight or something like that. So I don't know. I mean, playing it handheld obviously is better with the bigger screen. That's cool.

I kind of wonder like the percentage, like it is a Switch. The whole point is to be able to use it handheld or in a dock. I kind of wonder like what fraction of people have a Switch mostly docked versus mostly handheld. I play almost exclusively handheld. So that's, yeah, I travel with it. I use it. That's the only thing I use it for. Yeah. I think if you're doing it in the like social camera scenario though, you're probably playing it docked because you probably need the camera set up on something. Seeing that big focus makes me believe that most people use a Switch docked.

If I only watch the videos. Or at least they did through 2020 through 2023. Maybe that's... I don't know. It's interesting. So...

Yeah. I think that is all we have so far for Switch updates. Breaking news. Switch 2 cancelled. Wow. This is the Switch 2 podcast after all, so we will be back with your rapid-fire updates every week until June 5th, obviously. That's just how this is going to go. And probably after. And probably after. Because we still won't have it then. Yeah. But yeah, I think that's a perfect place to take a quick break. We've got much more to talk about. And so... Trivia. Trivia.

All right. This one's a little bit of a little explaining. So let me get into it. So earlier we mentioned Doug Bowser.

whose name is an example of this hypothesis called nominative determinism. Wait, wait, wait. His name? His name, Doug Bowser. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. It's a sociological hypothesis that people choose careers that fit well with their name. Obviously not proven or disproven, but these names that fit well are called acronyms.

Doug Bowser, according to Wikipedia, is actually an in-ap- in-aptronym because he's the villain of the Mario thing. But I have before me four aptronyms. And I need you to tell me which one I made up.

I can already tell this is probably your favorite question you've created. Are you ready? Yes. I love this. All right. Number one. Emeritus professor of psychiatry at Zurich University, Jules Angst. B. American ornithologist and program manager for feather identification in the Division of Birds at the National Museum of Natural History, Carla Dove.

C. 1984 Olympic gold medalist swimmer Jeff Float. D. Current host of the show The View, Sonny Hostin. Or E. These are all real, baby.

When I took drum lessons in high school, my drum teacher was named John Bassa, like bass drum. There's so many good examples of this. I pulled these best ones from a ginormous list.

Really? Yeah. This really does happen. Usain Bolt is probably the top of the list. Yeah, Usain Bolt. I found a composer named David W. Music. No way. That's too easy. That's too easy. Wow. Wow.

Yeah, okay. I will be thinking, I don't know any of those people you named, so I... Wait, wait, I'm sorry. This one is real. It's not part of it, but one of the guys who worked on the Transcontinental Railroad as an engineer, and this is not a joke, was named George Francis Train. Perfect. Perfect. Well, I... Yeah, I'm going to have to think about this. I hope they're all real secretly. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. ...

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All right, welcome back. I am holding a Nintendo Switch 2, and by Nintendo Switch 2, I mean an Oppo Find X8 Ultra. What's the difference? Audio listeners really just got excited. Yeah, sorry for the jump scare, audio listeners. No, this is a, so this one came out, or was announced this week. I dropped my, by the time the podcast goes out, my first impressions video of this phone is also out.

But it kind of came out of left field because we've had the X8 series going for a while, and the X8 Pro is already a really good phone. This phone comes out. I didn't really have plans for it. It shows up. The spec sheet blows my mind. Unbelievable spec sheet. From top to bottom, literally the best available spec other than, I think, refresh rate because it has 120 Hz LTPO. Maybe it could have been the 165 Hz from the ROG phone. But everything else about it, Snapdragon 8 Elite,

6,100 milliamp hour silicon carbon battery, great haptics, IP68, IP69, a terabyte of storage, 16 gigs of RAM. Like you name a stat, it's got it. 1440p, super bright. And then the camera sensors, which are kind of the main draw of these phones-

One inch type sensor for the primary camera. Wow. 50 megapixels. And then it has a 3X camera, which is a absolutely massive sensor and is basically the same size as a primary camera on a lot of phones. Then there is a 6X telephoto. There's an ultra wide. There's a chroma sensor for white balance.

It is loaded. This camera is ungodly good. It is loaded. This is possibly the best phone camera. Marques, is this everything that you mentioned that every phone is going to have this year? So the big hits, yes. It hits all the three, the big three of phones having the thing that we thought they were going to have this year. One, Snapdragon 8 Elite. Two, really, really bright display. Three, silicon carbon battery. It has all of those. And it has like maxed out everything else. Oh, that picture you just took is...

Fire. That's tough. That's a tough look for me. But it's really impressive. And I think, so I ended up making a video on it, not expecting to until we got it in hand, but I'm impressed. Can I ask the least interesting question possible? Yes. Okay, I've seen this with a couple other phones, and I remember bringing it up when we were fact-checking a video once, but why are phones now saying it's IP68 and IP69? Yeah.

I don't know. I thought it was pretty intuitive that if a phone would pass IP68, then it would also pass everything below it. But technically, they don't have to test everything below it. So if you'd pay for the IP68 and the IP69 test, maybe you feel obligated to say both of them. But I, you know, yeah, IP69 is not just submersion, but like.

high pressure, high or low temperature water jets, it'll survive that too. - Something I wanna note here, they copied camera control. - Oh yeah. - They, okay, it's a whole section in this video. - Yeah.

And maybe I haven't said it on the podcast before, but Oppo with ColorOS is so shameless about copying many, many things from the iPhone. From Dynamic Island to open a settings app and tell me that's not just the iPhone settings app. The Dynamic Island is so good, though. The Dynamic Island, they've copied. Live activities, they've copied. Yeah. Hit that, see that button on the side on the top left of the phone? Okay.

Okay, hold that down. It's it's exactly the action button from the iPhone and it has the other day and a little action button thing now on the right side of the phone you see that little flat area camera it's literally camera control so if you open the camera and slide your finger along that area or Yeah, double tap opens the camera slide up and down it zooms in and out. They've copied camera control It literally looks the same you hold it it oh my god. Yeah, so yeah, they've obviously taken a lot of inspiration and

The settings app, the settings for that action button, or I mean, quick button. Right. It looks exactly the same as the iPhone. I ended up kind of remembering that obviously all the other markets that aren't the US where people just buy the phone based on whatever has the best specs and seems like the best value. It kind of works for them to just

just embrace the other features of other phones that work well. And if you have all the features, then people are more likely to buy your thing. Like if I like dynamic Island on the iPhone, okay, now here's another phone with dynamic Island. Yeah. You know, something I want to note about the camera. Uh, usually when you zoom in like a ton, what happens is it looks really soft and then you click the shutter button and then a few seconds of processing goes by and then it looks really over sharpened just because they want to like bring out all the detail. Um,

But on this phone, even when you use like an insane, like 30X, it looks soft. You take the photo, wait a couple seconds, and then it just looks like a normal photo. - It looks sharp. - Like it looks good. It doesn't look over sharpened. It doesn't, it looks amazing. - I think the telephotos are great on this camera. - That's insane. - You did rich from like across the entire office and then it starts like haloing pretty hard. - Yeah. So it is tough to tackle like tough lighting conditions at 50X zoom.

but on like a skyline or whatever, trying to zoom in on some buildings, like it does a fantastic job. Anything that's sitting still, it does a great job. I followed Zuri around. It does a good job of like freezing actions. Zuri's the dog that's over there sleeping in the corner of the podcast room right now, but it did a good job with that. I'm just, yeah, I...

The thing about it, okay, so I've only had it for a few days. I assume the battery life is going to be just fine since it has a 6,100 milliampere battery. It also has 100 watt fast charging, 50 watt wireless charging, reverse wireless charging. Does it have G2? It does not have magnets in it.

Cheetu is fake as far as it is. We don't get Cheetu. We only get Cheetu ready. Just the Motorola Skyline or whatever. But everything else about this phone is basically peak 2025 smartphone. The bar has been set now. That's crazy. This is how good it gets. That's unbelievable. I might have to get one.

And speaking of something almost as good, you also got to try the Light Phone 3 out, right? The Light Phone. Do I want to bring it in here? I'm working on a video about this Light Phone. Okay. And minimal phones, we talked about it briefly on the last episode. I respect it. I understand it. There is obviously some desire for it.

But the Light Phone 3, if you pre-order, costs $600. And if you don't pre-order, costs $800. Yikes. I don't understand that value proposition. Wow. That's a lot. If the entire point of the phone is to be less of a phone, how do you...

charge more than a lot of phones. How much does this cost to me now? This phone, I don't have a price actually for it yet, but I'm going to guess it's around $900 to $1,200. Like it's a flagship. The X8 Pro costs about $800. This is not coming to the U.S. by the way, but that's about how much it would cost.

So that's, yeah, I'm trying to square like what they're doing with the light phone because it is so expensive. Yeah. We got a few minimal phones in recently. We got the light phone. There's also the minimal phone that came in. And I think for some people, like Becca Versace just made a video on the light phone 3 and she did a really good job on that. So you should go watch that. I think it can work for some people, but she had a lot of frustrations as well. So it's one of those things where it's like,

In order to live the life you want to live, you've got to have some trade-offs. Yeah. Tim, I think, and I'm not 100% sure about this. Maybe Becca said in her video, I didn't get a chance to watch it, but Tim was trying to bring it home to use it for a little bit and can't transfer any of his text messages over to it. Is that only because he's using iMessage or is it just like... I haven't been able to do that either. He was trying to find some stuff and like...

It still has SMS messaging, but you can't transfer your previous SMS messages over to which field. There's an online portal that you can log into and add and remove different apps and things that it can... Not even really apps. They call them functions. But yeah, it's very limited. Yeah. And intentionally so. Yeah. All right.

Yeah. Before we move on, I think I have a loose answer as to how a device and why a device might be rated both IP68 and IP69. It turns out, while you would think that the difference between 8 and 9 is just harder, better, faster, stronger, drier.

It turns out they're actually different materials. International Standards Code Society, whatever, actually prescribes two different kinds of tests. IP68 refers to a submersion survivability capability, whatever. So when you test for when you give it the IP68 rating, you're literally submerging the device. The IP69 rating is

Demands that the device be subjected to what is akin to an industrial cleaning environment where they actually blast the device with high pressure high temperature water Yeah, so they are two different modes of survivability when it comes to water. I really hope that's right I was just reading standards codes and trying to make the best sense of it But it does seem like actually it sort of describes two separate

I'll reference one of our most hated videos because I did go to see one of the durability testing from the Apple labs. But yeah, the IP68 test is literally just put the phone underwater and close the tank. But the thing that they do to simulate depth because they don't have a 10-foot depth is they just close it, seal it, and add pressure.

And so IP68 does include some amount of pressure. IP69 is just way more pressure with those jets that they're hitting the phone with. Yeah, because 5 and 6 are jets of water not submerging, which is under the submersion of 7 and 8. And then 9 is...

close range high temperature water jets yeah i think when you say jets it's they're like sprinkling water on the phone these make it what i made it sound like for real ip69 you need real jets and then they also specify it needs to hit all sides of the phone for at least three minutes wow yeah all right

So if you are going to dishwasher your phone, it will survive. That's basically what it is. So we can put that phone in the dishwasher? For three minutes. We could try it. Yeah. Or laundry or whatever. I mean, I don't know. If you put your phone through an entire laundry cycle, I don't think you expect it to survive.

But there's a higher chance that it could if it is IP69 rated. This tweet came back. This is relevant, I promise. It resurfaced in the form of a screenshot. And I feel the need to share it. I have it pulled up right now. It's oven has a window. Microwave too. You can see all the way through a blender.

But the dishwasher, oh no, you could never see in there. They refuse to let us see what's going on in there. That is a great point. Yeah, it's a good point. Maybe it's just because it's mostly ugly. I did watch a video a long time ago of someone put a GoPro in a dishwasher. So I've seen what happens in a dishwasher, but how come no one's done like a dishwasher with a window? Maybe because it looks dirty. Yeah, it looks bad. It makes your house look worse.

Anyway. Breaking news. Breaking news. The Switch 2 is also delayed in Canada. The pre-order is delayed in Canada as well as the United States. It is literally breaking. Top of the timeline. Breaking. So anyway, we'll continue with the Switch 2 podcast talking about other things. Things evolve, guys. But there may be multiple breaking news stories about the Switch 2 during this episode. Other interesting phone tidbits, which we haven't really had a lot of phone stuff in a while.

Nothing sub-brand. Okay, I'm going to go through this. Nothing is a budget phone brand, right? Okay. Technically. They have a budget phone, the A-series. They also launched a budget sub-brand.

Yeah, CMF, right? Now the budget brand's budget sub-brand just is launching a pro phone. So I'm not really sure where this puts everything. Me neither. So CMF is making the CMF Phone 2 Pro.

They kind of showed a few little animated things related to it. It's going to have three cameras on it. So it'll, I guess, have a telephoto and a wide. Is that all that pro means anymore? Because I kind of feel like that's all it means anymore. Often. Because there's

Oh my God, I can't even keep up. There's the nothing phone and then there's the budget nothing phone, which is the A. But then there's also the budget. The A Pro as well. Then there's the A Pro that just came out. Yeah. Yeah, there's the budget company's pro budget phone. And now this is the budget company's budget company's budget sub company's budget pro phone. Pro phone. Yeah. Yeah.

The only thing these pro phones all have in common is they all have triple cameras. From the iPhone 16 Pro all the way down to the Nothing 3A Pro all the way down to the CMF Phone Pro, all that pro means is we have a regular camera, an ultraride camera, and a telephoto camera. But they did tease that it's going to have a new finish. They said a new finish, textured, tactile, comma, different, period. Yeah.

which is cool like i want to see that but again it's like metal yeah well yeah well my question becomes then the whole point of the cmf phone one was that it had that 3d printed like you could 3d print your own backs yeah rip the plastic back off that's what was sick about it so like if they're just making a metal or like a glass phone then isn't it just still has the screw it still has the screw

Although that screw doesn't look like it takes that back off. This one specifically is inside its own little... You can see the back. Remember, the screw was not to take the back off. It was to just add accessories. That was for lanyard accessories and stuff. But wasn't there also another one that... Took the back off. That was the dial.

Yes. Right. And you unscrew it and take the back off. Okay. Apparently they're going to announce this on Monday, the 28th of April. So that's in a couple of weeks. Okay. But they're teasing it early. They're also releasing three new sets of earbuds. Oh,

The CMF Buds 2, the 2A, and the 2 Plus. Shocker! Okay, so, okay. Budget brand releases a budget, even budget or sub-brand, which releases a budget set of earbuds, a normal, whatever that means, because it's a budget sub-brand, and then a pro set of budget earbuds. Wow.

Cool. Plus a plus sign. I can't keep this true. Is this all just there to make us realize that the term budget means basically nothing or a million different things to everybody? And that it is basically a curse to even say that word in any tech video possible? Budget and pro. Pro and max and plus. Like...

I guess the strategy, which we've seen before, is we want to offer a product at every possible price tier in increments of 10 that someone might buy a product at.

Samsung's been at this forever. They have the A series. They have the Galaxy series. They have the Galaxy S. They have the Galaxy Z, Z whatever. There's a bunch of different series and versions, and so they end up having 1,000 phones. If you pick a price point, they've got a phone for you. I guess that's kind of what this company is doing, but instead of everything being a nothing phone, there's the nothing series, and then there's the nothing A series, and there's the CMF series, and there's the CMF Pro. They'll get every price point.

sooner or later. It's just that Carl Pay always follows the exact same trajectory, which is launch a company that has really good specs for the price, launch a pro version of that that's more expensive, and then be like, but we hear you, so we're going to launch an affordable version. And then they make

the pro version of the affordable version. And then they're like, you know what? This isn't even affordable anymore. Here's a sub brand. It's just, it's just. Can't wait till he reacts to this on the nothing channel. I also think what you realize when you are a young or small smartphone competitor is that the price points that you compete at also determine how competitive it is.

And at the $800 to $1,000 price point, it is super hyper ultra competitive, like Samsung Galaxy S versus iPhone versus Vivo versus Oppo. These companies are pouring so much into bleeding edge phones. And if you're just starting up, you can't get the suppliers and get the price down to actually compete there. So they're kind of forced into starting at, we're going to have...

a lower priced phone and try to compete there instead. Yeah. And they'll compete there with, you know, fancy software or some interesting new design or whatever. But I think you, it takes a long time and a lot of volume to get up to, okay, now we're going to compete with like,

the snapdragon 8 elite like big dog 900 phones it also makes people very angry when your whole thing was like we do this cheaper and better yeah so definitely i have a pitch for budget phone naming schemes okay let's just the number is the price the nothing phone 349.

That's so much easier. It's so much easier to have a sale. You have to launch a new scheme. Variable pricing. Doug Bowser. I think you could pull that off. That's my new company. Very fun. Okay. Last story before we take another break. This is so stupid. Okay.

You may have heard that Sam Altman and Johnny Ive were working on a product together. This happened quite a while ago. I'm so happy I don't know about this. Oh, really? Okay. This was like a year ago that the rumors around this started. I was just going to say it's rumors. It was rumors. It was rumors. But they do have a startup that they're working on together, I believe, officially. Is this just money laundering? That's the question of the year, my friends. Another soundbite. Perfect. Yeah.

So report, same old man and Johnny Ives startup might be sold to OpenAI for $500 billion plus. - $500 billion? What are they? I don't know about this. - 500 million?

Oh, sorry. Did I say billion? Yeah. No, Marques said billion. This one right here says 500 million. 500 million. In the doc, I wrote billion. I was wrong. I should have... Yeah, okay. That makes a little more... Okay. Same old man and Johnny Ives startup may be sold to OpenAI for 500 million plus dollars. What? So, I don't know what the startup does, but 500 million dollars implies they do something. Well...

Implies. What do they do? Okay, well, so very big, you know, XAI purchases X energy here. They have reportedly been working on a phone-like product without a screen. I've heard this before. Which we have heard many times before. Go on. It could be a little bit different considering. No, don't.

Yes, it could be a little bit different considering you know opening I actually has a working voice mode model. That is good It's not like the human AI pin or the rabbit As for it actually being like agentic and taking action for you. I'm not sure about that They are also reportedly working on AI enabled household devices, which is also kind of interesting I was thinking about this yesterday and I'm like well surprisingly

Google has not added Gemini to any of its Google Home products. Yeah, I feel like they have to do that this year. Siri is nowhere to be found. Alexa Plus was announced and it was supposed to already be out in early access, and yet I have not heard of anyone having it. So weirdly enough, there is this gap in the market for home-enabled smart AI devices that are generative.

that nobody is doing yet. But of course, you know, this isn't available yet, but you know, I don't know. So yeah, I don't know. It's, uh, I could see there being something there and open AI does have a lot of cache right now, but yeah,

It's just sort of... I wish I had Sam Altman's superpower to just raise infinite money. He just gets money. Bro is so good at getting money, he can literally pay himself and get Microsoft to be the person that gives him the money to pay himself. He's acquiring his own company for $500 billion. With Daddy Satya's money. With Satya's money. This is the most Silicon Valley bubble thing ever.

I've seen in a long time. Here's what... I watch a lot of Shark Tank. I don't know if you guys watch Shark Tank. Have you ever watched a good amount of Shark Tank? You know how there's... At the beginning of every pitch, they're like...

It's easier when to...

I'm trying to put this on Shark Tank of Sam Altman going, "Hi, my name is Sam, and I'd like to offer you the opportunity for $100 million to buy 20% of my company, and here's what we do." And then Mr. Rundleville goes, "Wow.

a $500 million valuation. You must have amazing sales. And then they go, no, we actually don't have any products or sales or anything happening yet, but we just got this good idea. We have ideas. And there's a spot in the market that seems like it's open right now. And Google and Apple and Amazon haven't done it yet, so we have a chance. You know what they have? Johnny Ive. Well, but this Shark Tank is Sam Altman comes out and says,

I have this. What would you like to see? And then the camera turns and Sam Altman is sitting at the shark thing chair and says, you got, I'm in. All in. That's exactly what this is. That is literally what this is.

And then he goes, but why does everyone hate me? Whoops. Well, yeah, anyway, we'll keep an eye on that because if it happens, it happens, whatever. I don't think that affects us in any way. There's no products to talk about here and no one can buy anything any of these people are making. So good for them. Congrats. Keep going.

Keep it up. Mom's proud of you. But yeah, I don't know what's going on. I'm sorry or congratulations. I'm not reading all that. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll have a little bit more to talk about after the break. TikTok getting banned, maybe or maybe not. And also some streaming stuff. But before that, trivia.

Trivia, dude. So we spoke about the Oppo Find X8 Ultra. We're going to just keep adding words to the end of phones. Plus. Budget. But their first phone ever had a much better name. The A103, a.k.a. the smiley face. There's multiple choice. Why was it called that?

A, the phone itself had a smiley face on the back. That's cool. B, the person who designed it, Tony Chen, is nicknamed Smiley, so it was in his honor. That's cool. C, it was originally only sold in a store that translates to Smiley Shop, so it was a partnership. Or D, none of these are true. The first ever phone? Or the first... Their first ever... Oppo's first. Yeah, Oppo's first phone. What about it was the first...

This phone in China to be able to... Alexander Graham Bell, like, I've invented the first phone. It's called the smiley face. I would call it that. Okay. All right. Emoji. It could do emoji. We're so good at podcasts. That's my guess. We'll be right back. Great segue.

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Or a glass of water, light a match, put the match out in the water, drink the water, throw away the match. Put your elbows out, point two fingers together and sort of stare at the point between the fingers. It doesn't work if you bring your elbows down, but it works. Just eat a spoonful of peanut butter. Think of a green rabbit. I taught myself to burp on commands like, uh, excuse me.

And I discovered that when I make myself burp, it stops my hiccups. Unexplainable is taking on hiccups. What causes them? And is there any kind of scientific cure? Follow Unexplainable for new episodes every Wednesday. All right, welcome back.

That's how I feel right now. Because TikTok is on the clock once again. Yeah. We made an episode called TikTok on the clock when it was banned and then delayed and then banned again. And then there was a clock where it took 75 days for it to be banned unless a deal was reached. That 75 days was set to be up this weekend. And reportedly... Well, last weekend at the time of the listener viewing this. Oh, right. April 5th.

Which was three days ago at the time of the recording. And reportedly there was a deal that was going to be reached and then the tariffs happened on April 2nd.

And apparently, China was like, we're not going to do this. We're not going to sell the company in the US unless you pull back on the tariffs. And then they didn't. And then now they're fighting again. And so then an executive order has been put in place that extends the sale for another 75 days. So...

So keep scrolling, I guess. It's Schrodinger's TikTok. TikTok has nine lives. Honestly? Probably on like life's five or six by now. It's on at least three by now. So if you thought TikTok was potentially going to be gone this last weekend, it's now not and you can keep living your life. But I just wanted to let you guys know.

I still haven't redownloaded it. I'm very proud of myself. Me neither. I still use Reels a lot, but Reels suck because it's just the Costco guys all the time and then I get off Reels. I see the TikTok things four months later on Reels. Yeah, I was going to say, your Reels are just curated to you.

So it's just the Costco guys. It's your fault. They think you want to watch. They did just come out with a new song. It's terrible. Ironically, I've never downloaded TikTok, but the day before it got banned the first time, I was tempted. Watching it spiral was fun.

Yeah, that like 24 hours was hilarious. Before it got banned at 24 hours was like peak. It felt like what would happen if we all knew the world was going to end in like a week and we all want needed to do that like last thing before the world ends. Yeah. But I remember it got banned on some people's phones. I got the message and I had a friend in another room who was still scrolling. He was like, I got to keep scrolling. Give me my dopamine. Yeah.

Anyways, okay, another little small story. Google TV streaming devices are going to be required to have a free TV or live TV button on them. If you guys have never heard of things like Pluto TV, it is basically free TV that is being streamed

And what they do is they put ads in it. And you may have heard of this model before because it was cable. So now Google is getting into that game because things like Pluto TV have gotten very popular where basically you can just like watch all of these shows. There's channels and you don't get to decide what you watch. And it's just like the past, except now it's being streamed over the internet. How is Pluto legal? Pluto TV? I always thought it was not legal.

Oh, it's legal. No, Samsung. I think of something else. You're thinking of Plex. You're thinking of Plex. Well, that's all. I think there's another, like, anyways. Samsung also has a Samsung TV experience where it's the same thing. It's terrible because every time I turn my TV on, it's just blaring some rant. Like, dude, where's my car? It was playing the other day and I'm like...

Again, my Bluetooth remote's not connecting because the Samsung remotes are horrific and disconnect all the time. And I'm stuck on dude, where's my car? Wait, you use the built-in Samsung UI and stuff on your Samsung TV? I do too. You crazy people. Why? To just open the YouTube app. What would you do instead? Oh, you use like a Google TV. There's Apple TV, there's Google TV, there's Chromecast. There's like a million ways to bypass that. I mean, it's all built in for free. I didn't have to buy a $100 box. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, the YouTube app is the YouTube app kind of no matter where you are. I don't know.

The Samsung TV app's not great, but the worst thing is that the... Sorry, we have derailed this conversation. That's okay. We can bring it back. But my remote disconnects eight times a week and sometimes takes 20 minutes to connect. I miss infrared. Switch to LG, bro. Come to the light side. Actually, I have an LG TV and a Samsung TV, and I personally strongly prefer the Samsung UI. Oh. Wait, is there an infrared... Sorry. Sorry.

This has really been bothering me lately. Is there an infrared Samsung remote? Because I want to drive my head through the wall every time it happens. Not just as the LG remote infrared. I don't have an LG TV. I'm asking a different question here. Built into this glorious infrared remote is universal backwards compatibility. So any other stereo device that you have in your house, you can sync with your remote. Yeah, that's fire as hell. Does that work on my Samsung TV? It works on my 1980s stereo receiver.

Like it's backward compatible like decades. Yes, it does. I'm pretty sure my Samsung TV remote is also infrared. One more minute. Every time it just goes like, it'll turn the TV on and off, but I can't control any of the like left, right volume, anything. Select the UI and then it's like, press these two buttons and I have, you hold it and it goes, can't connect.

Can't connect. Can't connect. Can't connect. And you just do it over and over and over until you give up or it connects 45 times later. Samsung. That can't be infrared then. No, it shows a Bluetooth symbol when it connects. It's too awful.

It's the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Did you know that life could be good? Hey, listen. If you want to gift me an LG TV... The LG C1 OLED is reportedly extremely good. It's been around for a long time. The LG QNED displays rock. QNED. QNED. I'll gift you an LG remote. You know how to alter it.

- Okay, I can bring this back. David, I have a question for you. - Okay. - This is, can I reassign that button to a Pluto TV? - No. - It has to be the Google TV. - I believe so, yeah, yeah, yeah. - So they're like launching their own thing. - Yeah, I mean, so the Google TV remotes already have built-in buttons for like Netflix and Hulu and Amazon. Yeah, it's like because these companies pay the makers of the devices to like put these buttons on it so they can make money to quickly access it.

It is very, in my opinion, it's very e-waste-y to like create a hard-coded button that goes to a service that may get merged with another service next month. Generally that happens, but you know, that's what happens. So anyway, I don't know. Google is really leaning into this because I think they're finding out that it's a big cash cow for them. I have a Anchor Nebula projector that has Google TV on it.

Every time I open the Google TV UI they have started prominently putting the free TV stuff like Really big on the home screen. Do you mean Android TV OS or Google TV? It's Google TV, which is which is yeah, it's a platform Google TV No, it used to be called Android TV is now Google TV. This is different from Chromecast. Oh

Yeah. Yeah, Chromecast is just... Chromecast... Is like AirPlay, but for Google. Well... Well, there was Chromecast TV, which had its own UI. Which runs a UI. There was the Chromecast with Google TV. Which is the most Google conversation. Which they did sunset. They no longer sell the Chromecast with Google TV. Now they only sell the box. They sunset the actual Chromecast thing like a month ago. That's what I still have. It was great. It was awesome. Yeah. Okay. I'm glad I still have that. It's like actually...

It's actually pretty good. It is very good. Yeah. No, and it had a nice texture. Anyway, the texture doesn't matter because it's in the back of your TV. But regardless, it is interesting to see Google asserting a lot of dominance here because they are now forcing manufacturers that use Google TV to have a big free TV button. They did not say how big or where it needs to be on the remote.

But the product that is being sold from Walmart, the Google TV box from Walmart, the remote now has a very giant free TV blue button in the center. Full width. Full width of the remote. So, you know, and you know what? I kind of like the free TV stuff. I think that this is maybe a hot take.

But because we have so much choice now, a lot of people, you know, that's why I like the Spotify, like radio stations and like all this stuff. It is kind of nice to just drop content on your life and not worry about it because there's like too much choice sometimes.

And so I think a lot of people like that, you know, just being able to go on free TV and be like, oh, the Star Trek channel is playing. We'll just watch whatever episode it feeds me. You know, I wonder who you could be talking about. That was my life in 2020 when Michael Fisher forced me to watch a lot of Star Trek. It was good. It was good. But yeah, I don't know. I think that that is a growing market. We also saw that literal TV that they were giving you to you for free from the company that made the free TV service and the Super Bowl this year.

Was what? On free? Yeah, on Pluto or one of those. It was on TiVo or... I watched it on... I watched it on one of the free ones. I think it was on TiVo. TiVo? Wait, you didn't watch it? You were on a plane. Tubi? Tubi. No, I got... I landed, like, right before the halftime show, so I caught, like... I logged on, like, in. Dude, it was literally on Hubu. Dude, you didn't catch it on Hemi? I googled, is Pluto TV legit? And the top comment says, it's illegal, you're going to jail. What?

Is that a Reddit comment? We do need to give them credit for having a fifth letter. What, Pluto? Yeah, but they were early, though. They've been around for a while. Oh, yeah. I thought they were demoted.

They were from the solar system. Yeah. Oh, Paramount owns them. Yeah. I think there's something to be said about ever since Napster, all these companies realized that they can't be caught with their pants down. And anytime there's something not profitable, that seems like it could disrupt, that'll just get acquired instantly by one of these companies. Yeah. Like Hulu was owned by NBC since like the really early days of that company. Wasn't that like a plot from NBC? Yeah.

Like they got together. Well, not like nebula. Well, kind of nebulous. They got together with some other streaming, the other companies. And they were like, streaming is coming. So let's like make this new company that doesn't look like it's us, but it will be us. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe future bonus episode. Yeah, maybe. But yeah, no. Pluto is just paramount.

Even though... That's so weird, actually. They're like, you can pay for Paramount Plus or you can... Yeah. Now Disney owns Hulu. Oh, right. So... Yeah. Because they're in the bundle with ESPN. Yeah. And now there's Peacock streaming, which is NBC. But this does say...

Who cares? Yeah. Phoebe owns it. I also wanted to know really quickly last night I was using my projector and in a very, in a very funny series of events, uh, I was scrolling through YouTube videos and when I would hover over one YouTube video, the screen would like flash and then all the colors would invert and

And I was like, what? It was only one YouTube video when it would start auto playing. And then I started watching that video on my phone and I realized it was an HDR video. So my Google TV, and I don't know if this is like all Google TV platforms. Mine seems to be different because it literally does not have a speed changing thing, which really bothers me. Um,

But yeah, I just thought it was very funny that Google TV's YouTube could not handle HDR when they push it. So autoplay HDR. I think one more thing about Google's official free TV thing is that I don't exactly know a lot about the inner workings of Pluto or whatever or the other free TV stream ads. Well, ads. But one thing that's kind of interesting about IPTV is the ability to serve ads online.

Like, obviously, in traditional TV, you have to do all this work to predict who's going to be watching at any given moment. And then you sell that information to advertise or give that information to advertisers who are like, we'll probably hit our market demographics with this show. Whereas with something like Google that has information on every consumer that has ever lived and ever will be born.

They might be able to squeeze a lot more juice out of this thing than another company. Yes, because when I was, during like 2020, 2021, when Fisher was having me watch a lot of Star Trek and also we were watching This Old House, which was very nice.

The advertising that was playing was like New York state advertising. Right. So it was definitely localized. Yeah. So that did used to be a problem where they couldn't target you before. Now they can target you so they could probably make more money. And so they're taking an old business model and they're like, but we're using data. We're only like a few tokens away from ads being LLM generated on the fly. Like, like picture you're like watching a basketball game and then it goes and it's like,

"Yo Marquez!" I actually think you're not even exaggerating. I don't think you're exaggerating. It kind of is already, isn't it? Like, certain ads will only show on the court if you're in certain areas. That's not the actual stadium. That's not tailored to you. Yeah, like a man walks on screen and is like, "Adam, it's been a while since you've been to Disneyland."

You want to go? Adam, you haven't bought our $1,000 Switch. It's only $9.99. I didn't realize Pluto TV is like a bunch of channels that's not regular cable. It's like the Fail Army channel and Cats 24-7. And there's a couple like NBC News and stuff, but then there's also The Onion. And so that makes the Monster Cat channel. At least like the Samsung one has regular channels.

Every time it comes out, I'm like, go away, please. Oh, wait, my remote's broken. Yeah. Okay. I don't know. All right. I think that we should go to trivia. Yeah, let's wrap this up. You know, our viewers say they love it best when we make no sense. All right, guys. I have four hilarious names. Are they all real? Is one of them fake? If so, which one? Hit it, Adam. We have Professor of Psychiatry, Jules Angst.

Ornithologist and Program Manager for Feather Identification at the National Museum of Natural History, Carla Dove. 1984 Olympic gold medalist swimmer, Jeff Float. And current host of The View, Sunny Hostin. And again, I will, there is a all of these are real E option. I'm so bad at reading multiple choice. No, that was great. Well, I didn't get the letters. All right.

One at a time, folks. Well, we all put different answers. Yes. I put A. A. Unfortunately, Jules' angst is real. Dang. I put Sonny Hostin. Sonny Hostin is real and the host of The View. Probably should have made that one the fake one because we definitely just don't watch The View. I couldn't have made it fake because it's real.

Jeff float is also real these are all real names I like how no one doubted Carla Dove you were like I can I can Really long title and I think that made it seem more real Carla does my cousin quick update on the score Especially since no one got anything right just now Marquez with 16 Andrew with 7

10 points ahead from Andrew with 17. That's not how you do things. David with 2.1 Andrews at 17. 2.1? Isn't it just 2? Well, that would be 14. What is that, 2.2? Sorry. I think in base 10, that's why. There you go. Okay. So...

What do you guys think?

My marker's pretty screwed, but you'll be able to see. So it goes from all of these are true to none of these are true. Exactly. All right, flip a marine. Both better not be the answer. Who wants to go first? I promise mine says something. Well, these two have the same. Which is? Marques and I put yes. It had a smiley face on the back. I can see that. Andrew, what did you say?

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