Tri-Fold Phones and Orion Glasses: Welcome to the Future?
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David, by the way, that we mentioned, he's not in this week because he's watching the robot movie over.

And yeah the and you guys really you really look us up for that once. So we told him to go home. We told him that we don't go back to the new heater and just watch that would be over and over and over again until he agrees with you.

So that be the first of next week talking about .

and apologizing profusely.

What is people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode, the way from podcast, where a house and a kiss. And I, andy and David, not here this week.

He is we watching the wild robot movie a whole bunch of times to try to get a Better understanding. Clearly, the first watch wasn't enough, so he's at watching that a whole bunch more times. Um so I think we're actually gonna special guests, A K A familiar guests filling in in David sea, starting with adam. Adam first. 喂， a two stick a plus.

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Well, welcome, welcome, welcome to the pad here.

Thanks guys.

Got to be here. So ah yeah this first up. So we going to take a look at the while, made x here in hand.

We have one now. So i'm very excited. I ve just taken IT out the box. So these are like real true first impressions. Uh, we also are going to make some predictions about tesla or robot taxi event despite the fact that we're recording IT before the event, but you're going to be listening to IT after the event so you can see exactly how smart or a dumb we saw in real time. But also for some other stuff, we got to experience metres or ryan and glasses finally and else is going to step in because he also got to experience that with us.

So I heard there was a crazy game of ping pong involved.

uh, not so much pink, but yes, pah.

so fresh. And minds, because we essentially get back to the study.

a dream, fever dream. Not sure yet, we'll say, uh, but first, the headline I haven't from me is epic beats, google and third party APP stores are now allowed. Is this real life?

Yes, I guess who knows with laws and judge judges and stuff. But i'm i'm going to do A A very quick breakdown of this because a lot happened. But we've previously covered uh like a bunch of like epic verses apple epic verses google rape. It's been going on first for a long time but there is pretty big uh, decision made recently where uh there is a ruling that in the epic for this google case that google apple stores now considered a legal monopoly. Yeah and because of that, there's a lot of changes that they will have to make.

Um so for the next three years, not only does you have to allow uh the the place there needs to allow third party APP stores, but they also need to give those third party APP stores full access to the catalog of google play apps, which is a step I wasn't expecting, which is kind of wild. So like if you decide you want to use the epic APP store, that APP store has to have full access to google play apps. Whether those develop, there is an option for developers to up L I gmail like anything you can get on the site.

I think that needs access into its catalogue to be able to download things from that. Um also a couple other things. First of all, this is U S.

Only and this is not my apple apple store. This is only google first play story yeah um so here's another couple things I need to change. And this is starting in november and going on for three years.

They can't require apps to use google play billing. So right now, pretty much, if you want to purchase anything in the APP, you have to use the google play. Doing that is not a requirement anymore.

Developers are allowed to have alternate ways to pay from within the play store. Developers are allowed to link alternate ways to download apps outside of the place to. They are not allowed to offer money. Google is not allowed to offer money or perch to launch apps exclusively inside of the play store or even place store first.

They are not allowed, google not allowed to offer money approach to law to not launch in third party APP stores so they can pay people to say you please don't go to that if you offer can you offer um and uh, they're not allowed to offer good or phone manufacturer or Carriers money to have the place to pre installed on phones. There's there's a couple other things. Those were kind of the big ones that I saw um but like feels like they thought of everything.

Even with all of that said, I think epic still wanted a little more. They wanted six years instead of three years. Um and there's a couple of small things but I guess the real til the r of this is that epic proved that google created so many different deals between developers, Carriers and device makers that the judge deemed IT impossible for any other rival APP stores to compete against them which possible .

I made IT very, very difficult and worth this lost yeah .

yeah google obviously appealing um but which is why I said, like is this real I have no idea for the court system um but IT seems like gay not just a huge one for epic but because a huge loss for good yeah actually .

they released a blog statement I think the keyword which is like their internal block, whatever. Can I read my favorite line from? Sure because IT is they're so sadi and IT blares.

The decision rests on a flood finding that android is a market in itself. In contrast, the apple decision upheld on appeal rightly found that android and IOS compete in the same market. This is obvious to anyone who has bought a smartphone, want to a store that sell smart phones, and you'll see .

the options side by side.

I like out there basically like, no, you everything you said is right within android but don't forget out yes .

yeah um yeah .

that sounds like and you know maybe this is just me reading IT over pretty quickly that like a lot of the reasons this was found in the google law, you and not the apple lawsuit, is because of all the kind of shady stuff they did, like offering money to be play store exclusive, and like devices that have play stores prin fort. Like they just have so much money, anyone else can really compete with them, including amazon has an APP store and they've haven't been able to compete so well.

I think amazon has been able to compete for different reasons. What are the like? Their absolute .

garbage are. Well, that's why this thing and hear about need to require the catalogue.

Gus, what you amazon upstart fire .

and that's .

stick over there.

Um the last thing I just want to say, unless you guys have any other questions, is um if you want like an actual really in depth article about this one holster from the verge wrote a great piece that not only explains IT way Better than we are here but has links because he's been covering this for so long he was in the court room I believe for the majority of this trial he has a ton of really, really indeed information about all this so highly suggest looking at that.

You guys did miss one really important detail about all this, which is when the judge, like, deliver the verdict, all of the epic lawyer stood up and did for dancers and when the judge struck his goal, he said, Victory royal smack.

We need an aid to create.

Is no footage of this, just drawings.

T sw, for naturally.

I would love that.

I can believe this all started with, remember like that video that they launched like two years ago, the apple of one. I did say .

here that like this kind of all stemmed from the very purposeful play of telling people to buy skins outside of IT, knowing that both of these companies would be upset with that check and and seeing they were playing two chest orts and they checked IT one and got made IT on .

the end 的 人 that made IT on.

sorry, I got very distracting because did you know? Okay, so this this quote that you put in the dog was in the telex. And did you know that if you put an mog and telex IT, no, no, you see this.

I didn't know .

you could do a telex eo, sorry, very district kini bold. Nothing happened.

Uh.

I men be await.

Now we got a little bigger. You can see IT.

Did you mention that we .

all slept on an airplane.

slept as a bold work all .

over the place? Also, I was going to, I want to say something else. I forgot, my brain is, do, this is the place.

What was I about to say? OK today? Oh, did you guys see that? Youtube was.

are going to be three minutes. Oh.

in a couple of days you you going to finally have up to three minute long shorts. That doesn't mean anything that previously three ministers will be assured. That means anything from that point on uploaded in vertical that under three minutes can be triggered into the shorts feet if you want to. Uh, big news for some people. Wait.

when you say if you want to, does that mean that if I have something that's two minutes, i'm going to have to check a box that says, make this a short specifically? Or will I auto detect like IT does?

Now will detect like IT does now. But if you don't want you to be sure you have to because obviously, monetization for short is still. So if you have a three minute video, you might decide you wanna to have IT as a regular three minute video.

But if is a vertical two minute forty five second video, IT will automatically trigger as a short, which could be great for discovery. It's great for us. IT makes me think of now all creators that I washed to do shorts, how that affects them.

Like, you know, forest, who does the car videos told, just absolutely nail all the features of a car in rapid speed. And now he has three minutes to play with this. The style change .

is like a really great craze with the vision three times as long. Oh.

I think IT will still favorite, like tiktok has ten minutes now. But I feel like stuff you get served more as shorter. So I do think it's gonna super beneficial for people like us. You know we're cutting out a couple lines.

Um internet q made a great point about IT once where he was like, I wish you was ninety seconds because when i'm cutting down to sixty, generally the line I have to take out like is a context line and it's like the one line I have to sacrifice is now sixty percent of the comments like why didn't you say this? Like I don't understand this because of that. I do think it's going to favor the people who are still around that ninety second mark, but at least will be able to get in that like one actually think we were dying to say we're really hurting to cut out.

So we're working on a short for a auto focus that's like three minutes long um I regularly hit fifty nine seconds and change with our main channel shorts and I am constantly cutting like the air like as I breathe between words like i'm putting that out to hit sixty seconds. So this will be awesome. I don't think i'm going to make I say this now, but I don't think i'm going to make three minute shots. I think I want to make sixty second to two minute shorts just because we have the time now. I'm can be three, four minutes now.

What are we calling them? Long shorts, shorts.

minutes. I'm of the press and know about you. I like IT feels right.

All of you are way more .

creative than that.

Feels good. This is the way I made X.

T. And you might remember IT by name as that weird triple folding phone that the C. E.

O. Was walking around with not too long ago. There's a little story behind the phone.

I mean, you've seen dual screen not to screen. You've seen folding screen phones before building, flipping. All sorts of companies are making them.

Now we just reviewed pixel fold this one IT. Was that just the whole story? It's a why we found us.

It's china only. So we had to really work to get our hands on a shoot up to Debra. Anytime I ask them if they can get their hand on something, they always pull IT off. And I never .

asked questions. Is that the reason .

you are on the plane?

You were coming back? That's what. But IT IT was basically just like we bought IT.

We sent them the money for IT, and they just found one and got IT to us. So this is IT. Can I post a question .

out there for audience to help us out? Why is IT called trifled like? This is not just a thing for this phone. It's like trifles are a type of painfull, but they have two fold and three sections. So is just mean try as an amount of sections and that they fold, or I always assumed to.

was in reference to wallets like a try fold. Wallet has two fault in three sections. A by fold has one increased two sections.

Am I just like thinking too literally about this, like saying the try buy is representing the fold or they like if you .

thinking literally IT would have to be that because you're trying .

to fold the phone? No, no. I think you're and is correct, which is by fold means two folds. Try fold means three folds, like the prefix suggests, there three folds.

There is naming. And every k, someone else out here that works.

Because we tried to describe this on video last time, and I went hay while right. So IT looks like an s one. One year one is for that actually as z IT looks like A Z so from the front you can use IT as a single screen phone.

My of fact, I lighted up bang there. IT is single screen phone. Regular aspect ratio.

I think it's a six point, feels like about a six, one eight and screen like it's a full size screen. But let's say you want twice as much screen. You actually then open to that so .

you no .

longer use the front screen, totally bypass the first screen into your second two screen. nice.

okay? Yes, you're the fold, the top part of the fold you're folding out is a fault. So you're going on to the farthest back screen now is open.

yes. So you ve seen all three screens now. You've seen the first screen and you seen the second two screens. But if you want all three screens and you have to unfold, this is the harder run first screen from the back.

You're doing great today. Yes.

it's hard, but I have .

the third .

and go so that so big.

Number one impression I had was it's a little bit smaller than I aboriginally picture. Like I thought, I think I it's like a ten diagonal al you and I was picturing ipad, but there's like no bezzle. So I kind of feel more than an ipad.

It's more like ipad mini ish.

It's closer to an ipad many. But I bet if we put the next one ipad mini in two ipad, uh, here, go vertical. In case you're wondering, that's oh my good way.

What does that look so much Better? massive. That's a lot of icons.

That's a lot of .

big tablet. So you have the single pocket and you you can do all kinds of things. You can multitask across them.

My second impression was that the cases are not bad. No, no, I like a black. Well, yeah.

they're hiding them well, but I can see him from the single.

I think my first impression from you holding IT is my number one worry of this was now with two folds. When is straw? How straight is a kind of feel, and how solid that looks like pretty fly? Yes, I really impressed by.

yes. So my third and final impression is I hadn't remember which one IT was, but maybe a year two ago, there was a wedge shaped foundation and that had most of the weight in your right hand. This kind of feels like that, again, this huge camera bump is like most of the weight, and the rest of the phone is very thin. But yes.

oh yeah.

it's a rocker when it's on the table. But i'll let you, uh, play with an unfold .

the .

different .

holding .

IT up next to my six.

This definitely feels chunky and it's a way more square. But then again, the four six is like very narrow.

the fold. So the samsung z four six is notably like skinner and thicker.

That is that thinner than the food me take .

off the my little max safe thing, putting them next to each other.

O it's a close.

but the trip was a little figure. Yeah, the triples is a little figure, but it's very close, interesting. Okay, anyway, oh, I I don't know how I feel about this on the right side being rounded out.

Yeah, I guess that's the only way that they can work. nice. Oh, g single fold open .

for next years to the four six.

yes. So the dual screen mode or you know two thirds mode, I guess I would call IT is like the same sizes as if it's .

just a little taller ler way.

Let me hold you up to the camera. If you're listening in audio， you're not missing much. It's pretty much the same.

It's very don't even go to .

the video for this part.

maybe later. But then you open.

then you see you go to the video for this part, then you open IT up and oh, you can feel the hinge though, if you like, when you're opening IT.

as you pull up, pull IT up, I bet your not suppose ve yan, I bet your supposed ve like sort of pry into the corner and like pull to open by the outside edge.

This is, does that have .

like a youtube kickstand mode? Like the other ones, just put a max.

I ve thought in the software.

No, no, I know how with like other folding phones, you can like seme fold IT and then like eat your lunch alone, watch some youtube videos.

I know yeah okay.

Can confirm you can take pictures like you do with an ipad with this giant phone and it's awesome.

Is there shelfy camera anywhere inside the one of those three screens?

Or is just and IT highlights, there's like a little .

animation that shows, okay, it's on a primary screen. Yeah.

gotcha. I'm gona close IT now and give this to Andrew.

I'm the funny about this is I like made brand and set up a set so we could on boxes on camera because i'm assuming we're doing a video on this and I wanted to talk about on the pad. I was like, oh yeah, it's red.

They found.

yeah, you could make a red background. So if the top down set for on boxing doesn't match that, my fault just no. I the box was red. The box was, I assume there was yeah, I think there a red version. IT has not like full other back.

This is so the .

camera rub is gigging tic. This is a heavy phone. This is a top heavy .

phone as I almost drop .

IT yeah is .

on IT is yeah .

IT doesn't .

have sharp, very rounded .

square, circle, square. Al, what is .

a circle? No way. No.

that's a square .

to going .

in the review .

um yeah this is thick. I I don't my my rounded out here give you a couple of .

interesting spects about IT videos in the work. So guys should you know watch that for all the details on this thing fifty six hundred million bara battery total which for a folding phone is relatively high but for a tenant screen is relatively low ah for context like the samsung super thin tenens tablet has a ten thousand million part battery so that's an interesting spec. Uh IT charges crazy fast.

IT came with an eight eight what car charger in the box. So that's pretty cool to see that a fast charge um sixteen gigs and and a turbia storage. No water or dust resistance at all. I wait time .

IT comes with a terribly of .

storage like base. I don't think that's base OK. I will .

double check. But in fact.

based IT IT based but is at the base back, I don't think .

IT is because you're paying .

how much is this? okay. So that's another interesting back. Roughly three, five hundred dollars. U S. Is clever.

And but we ended up spending way more to acquire an import this um but that's roughly how much IT goes for if you if you convert. So yeah, it's expensive. It's more than a dual screen, dual fold. I keeps saying, doll.

feel as if that's what we tell.

I love the door, like, I love the pixel line pro fold, but this is just a totally different phone. It's crazy. And each other, each of the bills are so fun.

Can I say some of the .

animations on your .

opening IT from the Normal fold, and everything slides out from the left? Yeah yeah. Then when you go all the way, open the dots for like what page on slide by two because it's opening two pages at this time and then they're like back that pops out wherever you're doing IT and is like fun little blood the from the screwed ch up is a two .

thirty two by thirty one and eighty four full resolution so it's like a three k by two k that's another thing you can do. That's another thing you can do is you can have its partially open.

not quite a self.

And yeah, the six, five foreign uh screen, if you just use IT like a single screen phone. So I P A screen protector. I would not do that actually.

good. I have some experiences with bad. Yeah, I would not do that quite yet. But yeah, it's it's a weird one. How are you .

gonna use this?

Well, for someone to try to use, like a regular phone? Then I to see what the software features will allow you to do, that even a dool screen phone can't do, or a dull fold. I keep calling in a dual screen. What a, what a Normal fault cannot do.

but you can put this on on A T N T or rising. Oh, that's first dalling IT.

I don't think so. I mean, there's is a while we phone with no google place services or even the correct bans to drop my summer card here, like I have an A N T stem, but I typically don't put them in while iphones, so I will be using this kind of like a .

tablet and you I could .

make a phone call like this.

How does the straight just whole open.

have let two year year new phone?

Who is that what celebrities you use for proper oi they they just talk on the phone with a completely open trifle and discovers of their entire face from the P2P would .

they reboot pink panda again? They're onna have .

in my car I thought the pro max is big.

I know this is intimidate to get a photo taken of you.

I just like, like, I feel like i'm looking at an ipad, yeah, like an older ipad. But IT says, why we ultimate design on the back instead so much.

Wait.

can I see IT standing and like vertical, for some .

reason that looks cool.

Yeah, this feels .

tabs the dream. Am I the only one that feels like this is .

a dream you know.

you talk to?

This is one step closer where.

dude, so this is fifty .

percent closer than we've ever been.

I couldn't be more.

And the next version, almost, I would .

spend IT the wrong way.

You do have to .

think about which we are folding.

So what they need to do next is fold open, fold open. And then this fold up, oh my god.

And then .

you've got double screen real.

the commitment is real. I mean, this is essentially a square when it's two.

six, four square.

I this obviously you know this kind of the first generation, which is crazy to think that this is like the first one of this. I know, didn't T C L 这个 a trifle， and there have been a couple this like ultimately getting to the point of being able to hold like this is what I would want in a folding phone. It's probably like .

vertical instead of zon.

yeah. Like vertical instead of portrait or instead of landscape. And oh, man, all the tiktok, I could watch on this, but a few, a few years when this is cheaper. And if anyone decides to go, that's what I think I would jump into a folding .

from skipping over all the regular folds straight, the dull. Well, stay tuned for the full video obviously are like super early first looks but I want to play with this a lot more and get you guys super highs detail looks at the stink um we should take quick break. We ve got a lot more talk about including some smart glasses. But before we do that, you have the smart life h lizer. I just picked up of the ray ban that is that I have because I think they look cool, but we saw so we should trivia.

Me, yeah.

Do when I have Alice asic glasses directly. good.

Before we get an attribute.

okay.

I was trying to see if an OCR was a real thing. And mark haz, I think I found something that is going to rule in your life, which is called oc turtle. And up turtle is, yeah, it's a game.

IT did ruin my life briefly.

IT is eight games of world to that. You place you all know about this.

First there .

is wardo, then there is door to, then there is coral.

Remember the song one there? Like .

music IT was fun.

There was like a bunch of clones after word for, like the next two months, right? Doing a bunch .

different things. No one remembers mastermind.

It's not named in a way that's easy terminal.

but that's the game that wardle is a close of.

We don't know what does .

that then it's word like google wasn't .

that like a british .

and it's yeah anyway, without further do. I'm going to let you keep the glasses on, but i'm watching you OK also my .

so like .

this question is for you specifically oh my god.

i'm going to get a point.

I hope maybe markets .

and everyone .

else except .

cept Andrew p.

What animal has a faster recorded top speed? The letter d torus or the slow lauris?

I thought that would be a very different set answer. Okay, i'll think about that. The lebron torture of the slow .

Lawrence I like, right? Good job.

Thank you. One of them has a fast name. One of them .

has a slow name. And .

right, i'll ponder that answers at the end, like usual, full, be your back.

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That's why we look so fresh and so clean from meta, where we actually got a late look, but also on only look at the iron glasses. I'm saying a late look because of the people have already seen IT. And I was australia when they asked if I want to see IT, but then I kept expressing interest now like you still want to IT? And I was like, yeah, and see.

These are products that are never coming out, but that initially had intentions of coming out, which is a set of full augmented reality smart glasses from meta. And they aren't quite like anything we've ever seen. Just to sort of lay the background of what this actually is, I am currently wearing, uh, the existing rabon meta smart glasses.

There is no display to these glasses. There is just a camera, speakers, batteries, headphones. I can talk to IT and A I will talk back to me in my year.

great. But if I want to see anything, I can. If I want to, yeah, look at my answer instead of have IT read back to me, I can. Then, if you remember google glass from eight to ten thousand years ago, never heard of IT google glass ahead of this time, as I always say, uh actually had a display up in the corner of your field of view.

So there was, uh a little projector and a little prism and would project text and graphics and actual answers to google queries in the corner, the field of view. So wouldn't be overlaid over your real world. Anytime you look up in that corner of your vision, you could see what is displaying, not quite A R but a step in the right direction. And then you have something like, you know, a quest or a vision pro, which is a full on virtual reality headset. This completely covers your vision and puts displays in front of your eyes and will either show you a new world or show you with past through your existing world, through cameras.

I think, hi, i'm here. yeah. L S. In the art. I think.

Is that only playing out of his computer?

And is .

we still heard .

that got okay?

Ah I noticed the all the that executives only referred to the quest as M R. They really do not want to call .

IT VR which apple the vision prospero computing. And i've given up trying to use all the fancy names. There's virtually all headsets. They just start anyway. The point is, we haven't seen an A R glasses thing actually working up until now.

But what this is is essentially special lenses that can overlay anywhere in your field of view is the seventy of of almost anywhere in front of your actual field of view and track onto the actual real world in front of you. So if you think of my best analogy is like, uh, headphones that are noise cancelling that have like a transparency mode. So you have regular music playing and then you have the noise cancelling ling, and you just hear the music, and then you turn transparency mode on and the feeds in the real world through microphones.

That's A V R headset. This is open back headphones. This is your actual real world with graphics overlaid on top of IT.

And there's a lot of computing and a lot of physics and a lot of material science and chemistry that goes into making this happen and is all going. We broken down in a video that we are working on. IT is fascinating stuff. But at the end of the day, we all got to try IT and see what today's version of that tech looks like. And maybe we should go over each of our thoughts and impressions from those those couple hours we spend.

Do IT.

I guess i'll start with like what do they actually look like? Because we've seen like prototypes and we've seen you magically and we've seen other things that look very much like a prototype.

I in video, they look pretty massive. Yeah.

there I think you bringing the meta benzine is a really good, just like starting point of reference of these things from anything we've seen of attempted A R glasses, like a hollow lands or a magic leap, are miles ahead of that.

They look even more like glasses than n real glasses.

Yeah, with crazy.

I do think one thing they keep saying is like, these are glasses. You can tell these are classes. And I I do think that's true. They are thick. They are not even really like when you look at the riband glasses, which are actually thicker than regular ribands, at least in the we google .

this when this came out and I forgot .

the name arms the um but there's .

significantly bigger. I was kind of relating them too. If anyone's watch shit creek like something David rose would wear maybe um like maybe thicker and there's definitely types of glasses where people use sticker frames. Um I don't think these would pass off as regular glasses to anyone yet.

They are close the .

central individual fair. Then I could see someone being like, oh, you chose crazy glasses but yeah, I am and I think .

what's going to be hard about talking about this is I have, I can't quite figure out what I think about them because then like one hand, what they've done to achieve that is like wild, like they what they they've put inside of the that small form factor is so crazy. But they still are definitely quite a bit away from being replacing a pair of classes. Is the feeling like a regular pair of classes? So I feel like i'm going to go back and for this whole time of being like this is one of the wildest things ever seen to like it's not really that close.

Yeah, yeah. I think that both can be true. I think we we live through the boom of smart phones.

We went from not having real smartphones to having the first gene mark phones, which were kind of rough, but kind of revolutionary in the in the input, and then having smartphones we have today, which are amazing. And you can kind of look at this as, like the beginning of smartphones, again, for this form factor. The resolution was not great.

IT was kind pictures, ted, there were, you know, flares and different, like lights, that kind, sort of blood through the the wave guides like IT wasn't perfectly transparent all the time as a little bit tinted. There were things that didn't track perfectly. There were things in input that weren't extremely responsive.

But the fact that I was looking through clear glass actual overlaid graphics on top of the world in front of me, not class, not class. sorry. So can carbon. That was amazing. And that felt like the revolutionary part in the, in the same way that maybe multitasking on a glass screen was revolution.

Before we go too far into this, can we say that? And they've said this, but there was a product that they were pretty close on letting consumers have and then decided to keep IT as an internal development prototype.

I think the razing would be initially intended not close.

They mention that they wanted to iterate IT one or two more time yeah which is so cool of you guys.

I honestly think he was like it's the right decision. No, no. IT was IT was a great we'd .

had such a year of companies releasing things that are not ready or worse, saying they're going to release something that's not ready and then taking seven years and still not releasing IT. So for them to be like show and tell, see yes is interesting because .

some companies would you would probably not want that from like a i've heard a lot of chatter and seen simp st about how like apple would never do this. Apple would never show us something on stage like a presentation and then be like, but we're not selling us that anyone, no one can ever have IT would be a weird thing for them to do. They love to finish something before they sell IT.

But for meta, the benefit for them, well, a rare, a rare miss. But ap, I think for many of their their benefit as they get to show that they are a leader in this space. And maybe for some companies watching, they are like a look how far i've gotten, we haven't thought of that. There are some interesting things here. So IT is cool that they are actually presenting something that we've been yeah .

I think people like there are people who want to try new revolutionary things that would pay for that and probably pay a wild amount. But I don't think enough people that would make IT worth IT. And I think keeping IT at this internal testing device so they can make IT the iterations Better because we got to see some photos like the old generations that looked like your master chief in having yeah um or like us one of them like saw torture devices like on their heads um and the fact how quickly we've got into this mistakingly glasses forming factor is really impressive.

Uh and and solved solved in quin equals are .

a lot .

of the other kind of things that holds a lot of products back. The fact that the puck is wireless.

yeah I should mention, I should mention there are some things that come with the glasses experience. yeah. So there are the glasses that that you're wearing that have a tone of computer in the sensors, cameras, speakers, eeta. But there is also two other. One is there is a separate computer about the size of a smart phone that that IT is wirelessly connected to IT via wifi six.

I believe they would fit snuggly in a glasses case without yet much air.

And that is doing a lot of the apologies. That is, a separate computer that's wireless connected must be within about ten fifteen feet of IT at all times. And there is also a separate input device. IT can do hand tracking and I tracking, but there is also a brace let that uses a technology called electrodes og phy. And to, I guess, oversimplify, what is doing as you put this bracket on.

And it's essentially reading the electrical signals as they fire through the nerves in your wrist so that when you make different gestures and score and do things with your arms and hands, IT tells that as IT translates that as input into the glasses. U. I.

it's crazy is the most impressive thing we saw.

Pretty cool. I couldn't because .

you've got to try a prototype of a very long time ago, years ago. And even then like tell you hear IT reading election, like electric connection between your muscles or whenever, no matter what company is that is you like, all right.

okay.

I don't think I used to for ten, fifteen minutes. Maybe I can think of a single time I didn't correctly trigger the thing I was trying to do.

According to them, they feel like they can progress the technology to the point where they can recognize your handwriting solely by monitoring the different electrical paths running through your form.

M, which is attie seems insane. That is crazy. Yeah.

that is what I did to me seemed insane. That already is really impressed. So IT is IT did have .

a little hectic feedback. It's like the sizes smart watch band IT would tap the back of your rist as you did inputs. So IT sort of confirmed that you were doing what you are doing.

But yes, literally pinch your finger in mid air behind your back, totally out of view of the glasses. And IT would pick IT up because it's reading the electrical inputs. Three arrests.

Really impressive. I can I ask your question? Yes, the information flow on assuming would go from the risk and to the park .

to the glasses is actually also directly connected to the glasses blue.

I thought the response was connected to the park fire blue tooth and the glasses were connected to the pock via wifi yeah but they have.

I mean, there is a ton of custom silicon in here to make all the sensors work. There is a ton of like they split up the batteries in the different parts of the ARM of the band to keep a Better baLanced. The whole thing ways .

under hundred grams and fifty grams they said their standard, they want to be under fifty for glasses and that but this was under A H .

and they said these were, no, no, no, my bed so yeah, it's there are super.

super cool. So I here's the three things that they let me do with the glasses, because you might be on dering. Okay, you have this crazy, but IT does something with your input.

cool. What do you actually do with IT? This software is not even done yet. It's not really a full OS. But I did three things. One was a sort of a regular multitasking experience, like sitting on a couch, open up a window, watch some instagram reals, open up a browser.

Watched a hot one's episode?

exactly. Yes.

there is an instagram APP for a device that does not exist, and not the ipad.

Honestly, I love the level of petty .

that's funny. I actually we. We were walking to jack in the box, as californians do, and we walked past, we are just walking in a nurse on the map that instagram, H Q.

And we all looked at the building and they could see the matter headquarters. And we're like that is a lean building that is a smaller building. So maybe I do believe that .

we speaking smaller than the meda h, but I know I these were windows floating in the air in front of me, tracked over my actual environment. So I was looking at the actual couch and the actual people around me. But then right between them there is a translation like browser window with a hot winds episode playing that I was watching. And no one could see what I was watching because I just looks like a wearing glasses. And there are some little glints of purple every now and then, but you really can't see or here unless they have the volume model APP.

What i'm actually doing, how did IT look? This look like a screen, or was like a weird projection thing.

the thing that IT reminded me, I mean, I don't think you ve ever seen this, but IT had sort of look similar to the samsung transparent microalloying .

displays .

with a much low resolution. IT also had a similar around the edges to those spinning transparent displays. You don't look like the single band of l lids that spins so fast and form a continuous like that is honestly the display technology that would compare IT most too vision. yeah. Okay.

there are some chat from meet about how you know these are internal. So we knew we could we could have actually double the resolution at the expensive thermos, but we didn't you could tell pretty resolution um but just in general, the fact that I was moving windows around, I was multitasking.

I was just with natural inputs, are dragging things around resizing windows in a very similar way, honestly, to vision pro, like I had similar U Y elements like close window exits and like grab the tab at the bottom, move the window. I'll have a screen recording that I think will be in the main video as well. So you can see sort of what I saw, what I was doing.

The second thing that I tried was looking at a bunch of ingredients on a table and asking a medas AI to tell me something that I could make with them. Um a very contrived demo of i'm being honest, like it's a bag of dates that said, dates in all caps on IT like how hard could that be? But what I found interesting was IT looked at all the things and then I dropped a pin, a little glowing pin, on each of those things.

And so I moved my head around and I looked around the room and I looked back, and each of those was glowing in, tracked in real time. I thought I was cool. I don't know. We tell me, yeah, you can make a smooth e which yeah, that's what you're supposed to do with.

is always a smooth e .

you can make a trust me um drink .

that the last.

but I think that was most impressed to me because of the tracking like the dots were track over the objects or just the last thing was games. Actually, they built a couple games, which is school. One of them was like a head track, a space fighter like asteroid game.

IT was kind of like an a tunnel.

so you would move your head around and actually dodged things. I'm sure you looked real dumb like this. What glasses on or knowing can see what you're doing, but you're playing a game.

And the other was actually a multi player game. IT kind of broke my brain. I I IT was super low res IT was super low fidelity.

But just the fact that you could do IT so easily IT was amazing to me. Two people with the iran glasses on at once, both stared at A Q R code in the room. That Q R code becomes the placement lock for where the game appears.

So that's all you have to do. Imagine, like I ve been talking about this with the vision pro, there is no shared experiences. And quite the same way, you don't share the same virtual space and vision pro, but this is a new real physical space.

There's A Q R code. Look at the table, you enter the share the space with that person. The game pops up and it's pong.

And you your hand is tracked to the paddle, and you just play three d pung back and forth in the tunnel. I really have so, so simple of a concept. It's low rise.

Like, you can just break IT easily by turning your head too fast. Like, if your hands not close enough, you can miss like IT you could get out of the emerge of. But the fact that in ten seconds you could set up and share this invisible game that no one else room can see, that to me was like, all, there's something here.

This is, this is really cool, the fact you can do this at all. But what good? What questions?

I have all the I two sets of rin glasses, right? Yeah, their own puck.

Or connect to the same park.

each with their own puck. You should the own puck OK. Next question, when you're playing pong, is there like A Z access there?

So imagine a angular prison between me and you and the balls, like bouncing across in through the prison to you and you hit back, and a bouncers cross to me, and I just hit back to you.

can I go .

up on Y. X? Yes.

yeah, it's pretty cool.

It's pretty fun game. So kind of explaining like the typical imagine scenarios for shared gaming, like they brought up chest la and turns out chest isn't a great example because there's all these little pieces and their board to be flat and IT kind doesn't really worked out well. You kind of want you to be like a vertical in front .

of the two players, my life's chest .

um or even vertical chest like you could just flip the board vertical I think be easier but like I .

think I am talking about Harry potter. Not may I think .

but yes that they just kind of made these sort of retroactive elling games because the dodges most h universal and .

just looks fit oo also .

definitely yeah .

super down for any R K style games that in A R be ick yeah .

I want to play pack .

on I think runaway from OMG. I think one cool .

thing we learned in the pong demo, which was when Alice went to play against markets, first, they did not really quote. So there's multiple ways to interact with the classes. The the best way is with the risk.

And and what IT does is IT has eye tracking. So that's what you're selecting things and then you're using your hand motions to select to bring up menu use, to scroll with the goal. Like quarter flip, I give you a flipping a coin on and that I used score, that's the gesture.

But if you want this also is hand gestures and the calibration needed is like you can hand off a pair of glass to someone without doing a full calibration and still have fairly accurate uh controls. So like Alice took a part of, didn't calibrate, wasn't wearing the rich strap, and just do hand movement. And the I tracking, which comes from the side.

One thing I found interesting and never thought about is I tracking on air glasses is so much harder, because in V, R, they can essentially put the cameras directly in front of your eyes. Can't do that. What to declare passions. So they need to come from the site. And they were, I thought they were.

One of things ask them was like, if you the the quests do all the hand tracking stuff and there's this emg bracelet is not a part of that, so why did you feel they need to add like a second sensor when the hand there are more gestures, but they are not like crazy, complicated gestures. And one of the they brought a bunch of reasons why they like having a like a multi model experience for that.

But one of the things they brought up is in the final product form of this. You should just be able to take off your glasses, put them on someone else, and they should have the experience like that. You don't need to take off the wrist band. You don't need to like google eyes around, like just you're in.

Do they mean like wait down the line or they mean the consumer version that's coming in .

a couple years?

But IT was the first time I ever put the smart glasses on. I did go through an eye tracking calibration um but IT seemed to be not like super necessary like I think I would still work because it's still going to be those sensors on each side. Just look at your apple but I think that was for maximum accuracy. But yes, the idea is is yeah you can just hands them on the glasses, they can see what you see and you can just use your hands and just jump, write in.

And the benefit of the sorry, the risk and is hand tracking is needs to be in front of you, right the rest and lets you do things like super discretely, essentially. So you don't have to be the person what these are supposed to be, things you are in the everyday world. It's a little stranger when you're in the girls, you store in, all the things you have to do are touched down in front of you. You could essentially use this respite in your pocket if you want IT to and I would still triggered the different controls .

yeah fun that would look so .

much weird or with .

okay yeah that's i'm just china say it's.

but it's true. I actually walk out of the room and we had lunch in the entire time. I had the right span on and totally forgot. And then I walk back in and there were like.

we to put the and back.

no.

you wait. So what's to stop them from using that respect with these metal rbn glasses?

I think in general, this, this brisbane, this input device has the most applicable use for them. I think the this is, I mean, there is no visual component to this. So and I really controlling anything, but I think in general, they imagine a variety of form factors in the future than the risk k is be useful for the ri being one of them.

Maybe something with like a small heads up display in the future, kind of like google ask, but or natural looking could also exist, and this respect can control any of them. So thought I thought I was really cool. And yeah, that mindblowing fact, Alice, of like, theoretically, we can read the electrical impulses to tourists so accurately that you could just, right, not even holding a pen just right in midd air. And we can pick up what you're writing. That's that's like science fiction.

They also said the same works with typing.

which you need both hands.

Yeah, also people type differently. And realizing .

so doubly hard.

I want to try that so bad, all of these things were. Theoretical things they didn't even mention if they were weren't working on that. But or just like this is the type of technology and how much room for potential there is for IT. And if i'm being honest, like seeing however, IT worked with just a few basic functions was really impressive.

Yeah, that's like one step away from mine reading. I mean, we're one nerve in five .

steps were if you just put .

the same technology on the temples, by the way, I google IT its temples or arms for the thing on the glasses, that goes a real year. But if you put that same like sensitive technology just on those temples, you only need to move hands.

I don't into your temple like so that .

reads your brain is reading .

the neural implants like the signals.

So that's a difference. There's different there's different paths at the electrical signals take. I think what we picture like neural link is like literally like reading brain activity, and that's one thing. But I think you can the tenders are like skin deep. They are like basically right underneath .

their skin and you have one per finger.

Yeah it's really it's like piano stringers in your ARM where I get use different fingers. It's a very distinct pattern of things that are happening with the muscles in a rist. So I think that's why I made the most sense. Like, okay, if I have a gesture like this that really fired, that looks the same every time to the input device, I think we .

talk about materials for a little bit. Oh yeah, they were really stoked on the material sciences advances they made in this anny. Real, don't know a lot of a material science uh but one thing I thought was really interesting that they brought up was that um you know we got two eyes.

Surprise, surprise some of us uh very true. Um most of us have two eyes and um we combine those images to get a stereoscopic vision and on A V R headset that that's less of a big deal because you could make IT a little heavier. You can make IT this big solid thing and it's very easy to keep both lenses fix and like the exact same position in your eyes, glasses on the other hand, are much thinner.

You can put steel plates in them. They will, uh, flex a little bit. And the problem is that when you have these wave guides in front of your eyes, if the glasses flex even a little bit, you begin to see double your brain like you merge the images anymore. And so they were very stoked on the magnesium frame that they built for these. Uh, because if I do, IT was five microns like that.

The margin for error between the two sides IT was something incredibly small, like a few microns. Yeah, where if you did talk them, talk them a heavily if they wouldn't work very well. So they had to they had to get that rigid.

I like super and they were also very excited to be like, you know, magnesium it's really hard to met glasses. So they're actually naturally .

but also firmly, they needed to do IT. Yeah they said like because they had this version that was a clear plastic so you could see inside IT and they're like firmly, the battery life would be like half on this one than the other .

one because he the museum frame was part structural part heat sink because of its dermal uh, thermal properties. So interesting there.

I learned a new word during the briefing r minutes. Thank you for explaining.

It's a radio measurement.

I believe it's a it's a sixty eighth of a degree.

It's very fine. Was like, how how specific is that have to be? Like one one hundred of a millimeter. He was like five and obvious.

Like then he was like, when you reverse the triggers ETC to the taner, that equates to about five microns. And then I was like.

I was going to say, like i'm pretty sure you have heard that before because that's like trick stuff, but you just forgot IT because unless you're working on A.

R glasses hoigh sly, I barely showed up trigamy try class and then .

kicked calculus, asked, never need again unless you worked for me to so yeah, I think that was super cool. I think the carbon, the silicon on car bide wave guide to the other part of the equation, um IT kind of brings me to the last major point about these glasses, which is currently started with, which is okay, they're not ready. They are not ready for regular customers yet.

And that comes in the form of one, the silk car bed. There is no supply chain for this. There is no optimization process. It's an extremely conductive, uh extremely clear when pure, but very difficult to grow. Uh substance. And just like all of what they're doing with IT is in order to get this wider field view, you need IT to be super, super pure and clear. Um and glass doesn't quite in its current stage get that good.

I think is less of that class doesn't get clear enough. It's that class in the refraction element of IT can take in late and create like prison rainbows. And then that affects yeah the what you're seeing.

So you're spending the light so much through this stuff anyway, the cost of these lenses insane and I think the total cost, a boss told me would be somewhere in the to twenty five thousand dollar range because these are social low volume is not a shocked that is expensive. But like we're not trying to sell people twenty five thousand dollar A R glasses right now. That's the first thing.

The second thing is, uh, two hour ish battery life roughly and we could see IT and feel IT runs down. IT was getting warm on our faces. The puck in our back pocket was like slowly getting warmer. But in general, like that's another thing it's not ready for the public with two, three hours of battery life.

And so all these things combine made IT make perfect sense that, okay, they're not going to shift this to people, but they still want something out of the level of R N, D that they got to get to this point. So they've package IT in this really cool way. They'll make some number of them, maybe a few hundred and fifty thousand, and they will use IT to work on IT iterated and keep IT up for the next few generations, I think three years away from this actually being done. But IT is amazing to see that it's possible to get this close to the dream.

Yeah, I I think like if I had to have my wish list, and this is being a super picky wish list, of this being a good consumer of really good consumer product. Yep, IT needs to be singer both on the to the temples and the actual class. The third year battery life definitely needs to be more I I he was that a great job of explaining this? He doesn't see on this replacing a phone, but rather being another accompany phone. But I think that would mean IT has to do a good job of the majority the time you're outside to be acted so to our Better life this way too low um my super nip I the seventy degree field of view is like really good but if you place the window and then kind of moved your head, you would see IT cut out and that just kind of breaks emerging yeah um I think that like IT probably would be fine with seventy degree field of view.

The vertical field of view was annoying for me.

I don't seem to hit that.

When I was playing pong, I felt like I could never see the top of the.

the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. I think the pong was the most vertically stretched thing that we did.

Yeah, I think I want. I had three windows side by side. That's when I got to the left and right, the field of view and get cut off.

But yeah, I think that those are all on my worst list as well. Higher resolution is the other thing ah just because fidelity is everything in my world and I would love to see IT in crisp four cave. I could um and yeah I I think in general just just dinner and later .

I think boz, when you interviewed him, said he would like the Price to be equal to a phone and I think that's totally reasonable. If not, I think I could be higher .

yeah the question when we think of all these things being Better is how much Better high resolution, how much I are double, triple, maybe thinner and letter, okay, how much dinner and letter because we are packing everything in .

of these classes .

um to get till like a hundred grams, how much than in later? And then to your point, like how much more field of view, how much cheaper do do we really want them to be? Those are all questions is that they have to answer as a company. Those are all trade off that they have to make try to work, engineer their way down to maybe something that could show someday. Um this sound called on me.

but IT also seems me like this was a big recruitment demo. They like look at this cool stuff for working on come sure us build the future yeah because .

they're not selling these yeah one line that stuck out to me that I think actually has a lot of weight behind IT that they kind of just given by. But they said, you know, everybody starts off wanting to make glasses and then end up just making a headset just as it's like the physics, just, just impossible. You just make a headset.

And so you see all these headsets out there and you can see every company's ambition to someday either shrink the headset down or I get to this air glasses thing. But the fact that they actually have made IT and you know, maybe it's yeah maybe not something you can buy, but it's a thing that exists is already a pretty monumental step, I think, which is pretty cool, that were witness sing. So yeah, I think, I think stay tuned for the full video, which goes over all our thoughts, the hands on. You can see what I saw. I was dying them all that footage.

hopefully how I lost.

hopefully as many points as .

possible on of winning.

Yeah, I did play bozen. He's smoked me in point.

Obviously he's a good time .

to advantage. He hasn't. He's played IT way more than um but IT IT is IT is actually pretty fun no so my .

final thoughts, metal and clear glasses are the best clear tech product I think i've ever .

yeah I want him so big. I in love carpe .

somewhere .

is like furiously working .

on yeah carpe step IT up.

I also feel the need to say, as someone who's done a lot of clowning on these spectacles, there were many times when I was in my age q where I would see an employee and I be like, oh, cool, ray bounds. And I be like, those have camera. Like, I got fooled modes of all times by. By this. So I think I think I may have to eat my words.

I think that's the reason why I like have the extra like critique of those glasses need to be smaller because these are proving to be really like impressive and mistaken as classes, which is that goal. Yeah, possibly the funniest .

moment of me working here was coming down to the hotel lobby and seeing markets wearing these. And i'd never see them work .

classes before like mark got so he can wear tech classes.

What if you rewind far back enough on the youtube channel history, you you'll find videos if you wearing glasses .

only for like a month.

I the very first video ever made, I took them off ten sex of video. So really, yeah, it's pretty. It's very Larry.

When there's a screen of running anyway, we ve got a lot more from that video check IT out, get describe, make sure you watch out for that. But we got a little more to talk about, including water taxi event. So in any case, we should get to trivial to be yeah.

it's so cool to be over here for this.

everyone, except for Alice, because I always knows the answer. Um I just dropped a picture into your dog.

Could one of you describe this for me? Why did you watch top your U. K, no, because this is actually, i'm almost positive, a trivial question I did on that really.

really man just like a later well.

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ben's concept car. Uh, two, he looks like a.

yes, I was inspired by an animal. What kind of animal?

And is IT faster than the slow low?

How pacific are you gna get? Because I was, I was going to say, like.

don't say, say, but I will accept a very broad answer to animal.

Okay, sure. Because I was going to the category.

You can get two points if .

you give me the exact animal.

Alright.

we'll talk test of of a taxi after the break.

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Alright, we back this time we're talking in tesla robot taxi. Now here's the thing, a fun part about this section of the podcast, the tests of robot taxi event thursday night. I'm going to go out there and point cameras at the thing can check IT out.

This podcast comes out friday, so you already know by the time the podcast comes out exactly what i'd announced, what was shown on stage and what actually happened. But this is being recorded on wednesday. So right now, all the people you're looking at and listening to have no idea what the robot taxi is or what's going to happen.

And we're still going to nail this prediction and we're just gonna to figure that out in real time. Just kind of guess. So i'm actually i've been on the fence about should I even go to this event? Like what what is what is a robot taxi event? What is the point? Like what's happening here? And the conclusion i've come to is, okay, it's tesla.

It's famously very ambitious with their announcements. And I would say every time i've gone to a tesler event, IT has at least spent thought provoking in some way because their announcement isn't just a new product. It's IT often comes with all this baggage of like this is the category that we are defining here.

But I went to the cyber truck event years ago and I was like, this product might not shape for years, but they are kind of actively trying to redefine electric trucks. I remember going to the model y event and and coming away thinking this could be the most important element c vehicle period. I remember the model three event as they went through that production hill and figuring out what a high volume, low cost evi actually is. And so this is another new castle vehicle, I believe. And then we kind of don't know anything else .

other than we robot exactly, which, uh is a reference to a collection of short stories by IaaS M. A, where a technology professor type person I ve actually read this. I just want to know about I D explain, don't remember it's it's like it's a certified doctor who I believe works for the government explaining a bunch of stuff to a reporter. So I think that is kind of with .

the reference and that's the yeah that's the book, I believe yes yeah ah in that process he's saying .

a bunch of .

short story. The will Smith movie does that count is known a little bit.

I don't think but I .

was that I A robot that us come up, robots.

which are part of that book, I believe is like the laws of robotics. So this will be interesting because they're naming IT after that event. Can we if they're ing the event after the book.

I mean, can we kind of open this with, like tesla has mentioned, cars being autonomous taxes before? yes. And so that's all my biggest wonder here. I know you put some things out that like potential rumors of what's coming out before we get to that. I think what's interesting is there have been times where tesla has said that like you can buy your car with full sell driving drive IT when you are using IT and then when you are not using IT, IT can go out and like ride, share people and make you making money in the background and before and regular before.

So when I see robot taxi, the event, I feel like that is either are we just going to announce that this can happen now and it's the same car, we don't say anything new? Or are we going to see a new car, which kind of defeats the old purposes, one of the purposes of purchasing one of those cars? You know.

mark socker work once said that if we don't invent the thing that kills facebook, someone else will. So maybe this is that maybe they just trying to .

kill their own idea there to them first. Maybe, but yes. So I I feel i'm assuming this is going to be something more long lines of way more of like a dedicated robot taxi. But I just find that funny that previously your model, you are you supposed to this?

Yes, yes. I think that irony will be heavy through the entire presentation or at least through the lens of those who have heard those promises before. Um but I agree with you, I do think this will be a dedicated autonomous vehicle whose only purpose is to do what we moo does now, which is to do right sharing and taxi services and things like that.

Important note at least in this great state of california ah this .

great say no the great .

ellis is always in california.

I think of this great california we were yesterday.

I think that because we worked today no, we were in the anyway, that aside, technically in california, they cannot do what. Because in order to Operate an autonomous vehicle in the great state of california, you need specific permits to do that. Uh.

tesler has not even applied for what I want. The great state.

I don't.

You take people are I .

listened to that. T if I could have spoken with .

an underlying .

and of bold, I I wouldn't put IT past them to save that for after the announcement of because I think this is a very much this is what we plan to do type of announcement, which hey, this spirit is tesla. T you've done that before or they announce something and then this thing doesn't actually come out or happen for many years. Um i'm generally this this is my prediction.

This is what I think they are going to do is they're going to roll a new vehicle on stage. And I think based on a couple of elon tweet of him saying, like all we have to push you back, we need to redesign the front of a little bit like IT will look a little bit different from the existing model. So they going to roll a new looking vehicle on stage and then they're going to go look at the inside.

There's no steering, will you know why? Because he doesn't need one. And here's all the capabilities based on where we think our tech will be very soon.

We will be like it's future complete. IT just needs to get approved. He'll say that, I bet say that.

And we'll get to this point where I could theoretically with enough computer like drive around, charge itself and do all these things that I should do. There will be some layer of economic upside to IT being electric and just making you money passively. Hey, you should own fleet.

These things that y'll do all that song and dance and it'll end with, you can get a ride in this thing. And the only reason I think you'll do that is because when I signed a my agreement, I signed a waver to go to this event. And near the bottom of the waver was you, uh, you could go on a ride anything, and you will not see us if that goes wrong.

IT does seem no because the event is on the Warner's discovery lot.

IT is so there can be no other .

cars ah well, that would be literally illegal .

to on alive. A, yeah. So that's what I thinks going to happen.

And then I think they will also probably mention my a you can smart summer, you can use autopilot on our regular cars. There's all sorts of other great. It's coming to our regular cars.

But this will be the robot taxi where if you're in any number of these places, maybe maybe anywhere, maybe just U S. Who knows? Uh, then you'll be able to yeah I have a .

question for you go for because you said something that I had not thought about in all of this, which is how do you think they will charge themselves or will .

they beyond the .

new jersey model where someone has to come and pack them in? How is for you?

There is a couple there's a couple possible answers. Possible answers. Number one is they just hire a bunch of people, and when a robot taxi pulls up, they just plugged IT in manually.

Possible option. Number two, have you seen the old clipsed of the mechanical charge plug? So if you go back far enough, this is a decade plus old. There is a old video from the text factory of a articulating snake like charger that, just like wakes up, finds the charge plug and plug itself in. And then that .

whispers you should at this apple .

IT is a strange visual and this does not exist anywhere in the real world now, but that could be another thing that they bring back. I don't know. Um OK so yeah that's that's a good question. We don't know.

Yeah well, the tesla APP just become uber. Then I think .

they'll probably have to have another APP pard, either another APP or like .

another section of the APP .

or you .

call on or .

they'll folded .

into x and just .

make IT the what's .

the test less subscription public test la, plus they get it's for streaming is for like all the data that I thought .

there was also cheaper rates on tesla charges or something.

Uh, text connectivity packages, premium you get live traffic, century mode, satellite maps, video streaming, karole music, uh, internet broster. And why do I think .

there was when we talk about a while ago that was changing or guarantee you like .

Better Prices on I think I L.

H is that if you're non tela and you are using so charge, that works. okay. Yeah, I was wondering if somehow the right would be put into that. I I do think that would be a separate APP as well.

Anyway, Better named .

the tesla plus yes um also we o charges by a technician plaguing. So I would assume that would be similar if we're thinking this is like a tesla run on the streets of whatever city there might have another with nician and .

I would plug demand. There is also a few really niche technologies that I think are mostly being tested in china that involve battery swap where you you pull into a bay and IT actually takes out the battery, put that into a charging bay and replaces IT with a .

full battery that's been charged.

Ah we're enough. This is also a thing that tesla has also done A A O announcement of or they drove up A A model I don't know what model that was IT, but they drove up a tesla onto some station IT did a battery swap. And they also had like a gas car filling up with gas next to IT.

And then I think if i'm remembering us correctly, they had the electric car finished doing the the battery swap drive away. The crowd cheered, and then another electronic car drove up and initiated another battery swap and also finished IT before the tank of gas was done. But IT was also like a six minute attack. Guess so, I might even sure .

how to process that also, apologies, I just looked IT up. Uh, IT is not a nicer technology. There are eleven thousand of these stations .

for scooters in taiwan. So yeah, there are also hope to the random things from testers past that they could bring back, including full sel tripping, including motorized charges, including battery swap. I think the smart thing to do is probably just look at what we ve already does, which is okay. They Operate a small place. They have these lots of these things where technicians can look over them every night and they charge and they take off every morning.

the morning for .

night in the people. But at least they have a hub. And maybe that's, maybe that's the model.

I think one other things similar away now, I wouldn't be surprised by here is seeing IT with a bunch of extra sensors on top. similar.

This is the interesting thing. Tesla, tesla famous IT doesn't like that at all.

Wo they don't like sensors are at all.

And that's like if you watch their AI day, if you watch any like of the last couple years of tests as presentations, they are like not only do we try to do cameras as much as possible, we've literally gotten rid of other perfectly useful sensors in the s. No more for parking. Everything is visual.

There is a hilarious tesla Price release that I think I linked somewhere in this gript where they're like, we've gotten rid of ultra sonic sensors. We're only doing what they called tesla vision, which is like people um and this is Better they are like this is so much Better, it's Better in testing. That being said, because we've disabled IT, you won't have summer or smart summer or IT might be like very, very limited now yeah so IT is Better if you just can't do this stuff.

You I would not be surprised if they were like we needed to do this for these taxes are or just kind of forget that they said that and never reference that .

at all and see a form of sensors on lighter. And also you know when these things were getting face out in twenty, twenty one, twenty twenty two, the lighter a manufacturing ecosystem very different. Now there there's if hundreds, if not several hundred uh suppliers suppliers of of light are so it's something is a lot cheaper to implement.

Now I think the that the tesler argument or a devils advocate would be that the ceiling is higher for vision based on A I. So they view light are an ultra sonic as a crush. And if you drive around with you know combining all the sensor data, which kind of is just noise to the visual systems, than that might work Better in the short term.

Actually, IT does work Better ort term, but in the future, you can do more and do Better with just compute trained Better and Better. I mean, as been getting amazing lately, you know if the first generation is the rabbit r one, think of like the tenth generation, maybe I could drive itself. I think that that's the argument is the ceiling is higher for just vision that is T V D.

You know you on in the past described light r as A I excess me a crush for evs like like you're you're gna rely on the sensor and not, you know, but having just been the meta, and i'm saying like having a multi model sensor experience using these two different kinds, sensors to err, cracked each other. They see feel really confident and obviously .

A R glasses and .

exact exactly same, no differences, no notes um but yeah so that's another thing I you know I really curious about is if they're going to double back on this and we like look at cheaper now R A I is good enough to do like a real multimodal system where we can factor these things in equally without relying on light as a crutch.

I think if they do put later in, they just pull the apple move of like we never said IT was bad. Look at how good this thing is.

Now ll have some plea. I think the most famous example for me has been like I went from a model s that did have ultra to not using IT and IT just got way that worse in the rain, way worse in the rain, autopilot in the rain with ultra sonics sensors that can see straight through the rain was fine visual, relying on cameras, poor and rain can see the road as well.

Do you have summon slash smart summer in any? Give your television only? H, no, no, no.

I only currently have a cyber o truck. I don't have my model s anymore. I believe that the model s that is shipping now does not have any of these future.

right? Because I said that and I am court directly from the release. But as soon as I said that I was like someone with a test, lies going to be like what I have.

Those features they may have updated to include some of them now, but again, the truth is that they had to remove them at first.

Yes, they work. And I reading directly from texas websites.

you.

yes, the wild robot is a good.

okay. Last question I have for you guys. What do you think the Price is something like this? Is, is that even a question? Do they even say this on stage for Price time for robot taxi?

I think it's just I assume it's just going to be a direct there, there where it's not a place for the card, the Price for the right chair.

Guys, I just went down a really dark gravity hole because you guys mentioned earlier, like having a fleet of these things business is like an enterprise. Yeah, good idea. I really think a good idea. Um there is also rumors that they are onna talk about optimists and this is an optimist is what they .

call their .

bipedal robot prime um what happens when you use the same APP to get a fleet of optimism?

Hm, for optimism is not anywhere near shipping contry with some executives.

but the idea of commanding a fleet of human odd robots for the right Price. Is .

that some serious I rob stuff?

Ah i'm taking to work for you.

If you google I robot right now, we will see what looks like a fleet of human ot road. How is no other way to describe the scenes from that movie other than a fleet of human?

You really watch that vibe.

It's really it's pretty.

It's a great. yes. Wow, you when you're right.

you're right. yeah. So I the things I came to mind for me were like a test of semele C. I don't even know remember if they now surprise for IT, but they definitely had a big talk about like cost of Operation per mile.

And of course, if you're just speaking to people who are going to get a fleet of these that's music to their ears, they just want to hear I will save money over the current fleet that I use. Um maybe we will be like that. Maybe they don't get a Price, maybe we do have a Price. Maybe it's like k, if you want to buy six cities and Operate them in a little corner over town and franchise robot taxi business, maybe that's a thing I don't know.

Also, I think they tell them too, like taxi dispatches.

That's what I imagine. I mean, they keep using the word robo taxi. So maybe I think .

we're just going to see testing and select cities as a Roger.

you'll be the safe thing.

okay? You just you can take me that's know what they are doing this time. Well.

I feel like that's .

definitely what they going to do for like the first seeable future, but like they definitely like a five ten year plan for what they want this to be.

They definitely wanted everywhere yeah because that would be the if they're intellectually consistent through the past couple years of what they've been trying to do, then the benefit of being a vision is that I can be anywhere, doesn't to be in premix cities, doesn't have to be in select locations. Full sell driving works on any street in any place. So that if they if they want to be consistent with that, then this could launch anywhere at any time.

There are laws.

Wow, good. Feel like .

the sound bug right there. But IT is probably a great .

place to end IT that yes, before we can, we do. Oh, someone to thank you because a lot of these predictions were informed by some really great reporting by dena ho caracal son and Edward little low at bloomberg. So thank you guys for your diligent work.

Shout to blob shout out to me reading the fine print in the invitation little insight as well yeah shout out to reading ill's post on twitter. It's really painful but I made IT through got something like um yeah that's IT. I see there's a lot more coming up.

There's this event. There's maybe A M for mac event coming up soon. As far as we know, there is maybe some other exciting future announcements and videos s so just stay tuned for at all.

It's all going to be a away from baby.

That's why we're here. Well, yeah.

you I think and it's called.

well, speaking of cold, but i'm onna try to end my cold streak interview.

I am.

Well, this would really in, this would be like a hot street, then starting a hot trick.

I was just want to read your question.

Yeah, you might. I do from here. Yeah, this is so cool. I know I got to like.

look at you in your face 啊。

Well, we do that.

Well, I have to like, turn this way, which is little .

knowing you guys last week or two weeks ago, maybe mark has admit to us that he is quite the efficient adults knowing animal top speed. Well, when you said that, I assume you meant like the really fast ones, right? So I did try to throw you .

a wille court ball here. You did.

No, I did have to think if listeners are confused by the way that episode comes out and oh.

to be ready. H, I haven't .

heard that when you right, but we'll get IT later.

How aria, yeah anyway, that is so funny. Um question number one, guys um what animal has a faster top speed the letter d torus or the slow lord S.

I've never heard of a lauris.

It's a limor, I think.

Could be wrong. IT is unfortunately like one of maybe not one of the most, but it's extremely popular illegal pet that is generally like really .

terrible .

how they .

take a other nal, I read， what do you get?

right? We takes everything. Okay.

I can. What did you put?

I wrote the slow Lawrence.

And that is correct. That is the faster animal.

And if can see the diagram. Esa, I believe that the letter d torus is named for the way that the shell looks, not how fast IT is. And that's why I call the letter d torst.

Uh yes, the slow lawers I could not find a world record top speed, but um IT was averaging about one point two miles per hour that report this. I did find a world record record speed for in guinness that was point six miles.

You give that some of miles is preview out some smelling sult. And I think we're push in one point seven.

And mars was correct, by the way. It's because of the pattern on its shell or terrify.

I think I was thinking of those turtle that run really fast, sometimes not a tortuous, seen that one that's like on the sidewalk and OK I walks up to because I haven't seen that.

But I have seen that awesome video of the guy who gave his pet turtle a tech tech spot he puts under his belly. And the confidence that is now that I can really, it's like, it's like dog at this cat.

I need to watch them.

Pretty question to adam.

All right, quick up on the score. Mark is now with nineteen.

go. Let's go turn the franchise around .

hand rew and David, both tied with twenty two. David, by the way, that we mentioned, he's not in this week because he's watching the .

robot movie over and ah this and you guys really you really lit us up for that once so we told him to to go home. We told him that we do not go back to the movie ader and just watch that movie over and over and over again until he agrees with you so that be the .

first art of next week is him talking about what you learnt from that?

And apologizing? preview.

Next question. So the two thousand five Mercedes bends bionic concept car was inspired by what? and. You will get one point for the kind of animal, and you will get another point for the actual animal, like the the god given name.

搞 的。

If I say that the specific name of IT and that's wrong, but IT isn't .

the same category of animal .

ah that's .

a good one.

So we both wrote something in the water .

marines and orka orka.

I see that .

though not a whe .

waes i'm .

saying it's .

not what I .

rode a fish, but um IT is a fish and that is a fish because I kind of looks like a fish. I vaclav between different fish. I ended up planning on a stingy.

Nope.

it's a box fish, a box fish. What is a box fish? Oh, I see IT ah yeah, okay yeah I kind of, I kind of tracks that's weird that like why why, why that fish it's not like a particularly .

ardan icc .

fish marry .

is the hydro dynamic, hydro .

dynamic OK yes.

shout .

shout to the box fish was never yeah.

I never came out. Yeah, interesting.

Well, lately .

it's made when I come .

from behind.

Okay, don't call to come back. Well, like I said, it's busy. Time is october. Lots more coming up, lots more events, lots more videos gets subscribe. If you haven't already, uh.

David will be back in that chair else.

maybe as long as thinks about what so many guys, David person.

how you're constantly in two different shares.

Do you like wild robot?

I ve even.

I do IT. I want to see IT so bad. yeah. IT looks also.

Well, next week, David will have seen many more times and eleven be back in that year. And also we will know we have another robot taxi event. So stay tuned will catchy guys next .

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But one last story before we start at when we were in the when we got to the airport markets hadn't had lunch. So we went to when this and I was branded and I are standing in mind, markets sits down and eases food. And Alice, like Alice, was watching him and said, like in perfect harmony with the boarding, he essentially finishes his last by, stands up in one motion, throws IT like, crumbles up his rappers, throws IT out walk. So where the boarding he was .

literally like, I watched the the nut hit his tongue and as suit as IT touches all right, we're going to begin boarding at this place is in this co mark has gets up trash doesn't miss the step. Walk straight to the gate and order I was just like, optimize that crazy .

not one wasted fry.

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For instance, what does that mean to start buying and using A I at work? How much is that costing companies? What products are they buying? And most importantly, what are they doing with IT? And of course, podcast. Yes, the thing you listening to you right now, well, it's increasingly being produced directly by companies like venture capital firms, investment funds and a new crop of creators who one day want to be investors themselves.

And what is actually going on with these acquisitions this year, especially in the A I space, why are so many big players in tech deciding not to acquire and instead license tech and hire away co founders? The answer, IT turns out, is a lot more complicated than that. Seems you'll hear all that and more this month. I'm decoder with the light pol presented by strike. You can listen to the coder whatever .

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