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What's going on, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. And I'm Andrew. And we have a...

pretty wild set of things to talk about today. One of them being an electric car that's doing its best to imitate a gas car in so many ways that I find hilarious. And we'll talk about that. But also the Apple event has a bunch of rumors. It's coming up. We don't know when it's happening exactly, but we do have a lot of predictions. So we'll get to those. And we'll also wrap it up with potentially our new favorite folding phone form factor. That's a tongue twister. It's also an alliteration. Look it up, kids. All

All right. First, we're going to start, though, with... That was a banger intro. Yeah. Just saying. Appreciate that. Good job. I felt pretty good about that. But we want to talk Twitch first. Oh, yeah. Alliterations are fun.

Uh, but what you have this Twitch thing on the dock. So what is, what is this? It's a quick update from the last, do you remember the last time we talked about Twitch, how a lot of their stuff with partners was changing? Um, mostly revenue split. Oh yeah. Um, so one update we got was the thing I was most interested about, which was Twitch partners being allowed to stream on different platforms. And so we got the update on that and it's a little different than what we thought. And it's,

not quite what the headlines seem to make it think, but I think it's kind of interesting. So I'll just explain it to you really quickly. Um, so the, when we mentioned it previously, I mentioned how it could be cool if you are streaming on Twitch and to potentially grow extra audience, you would multi-stream. There's a few programs that let you stream over multiple websites at once. Cause it's essentially just like sending out a stream key and those websites are pulling that in. Yeah.

So you could potentially stream on Twitch and say YouTube or Facebook, something like that, have three streams going at once and audiences from everywhere. Yeah. You're not allowed to do that. Makes sense. So you are not allowed to simultaneously stream on other web-based platforms like YouTube and Facebook. So that eliminates multi-streaming. You are, however, allowed to stop your Twitch stream and then go stream on YouTube or Facebook. Of course. Which is...

I'll talk about that in a minute. One thing you are allowed to do is that you can simulcast on mobile based social media like TikTok and Instagram. Oh, I thought you're gone somewhere else with it when you said it can't be web based. I was thinking it can only be TV or maybe literally radio or something else like that. I thought TikTok was web based. I can see. Okay. So TikTok.

Instagram live. Yeah. Those types of things are allowed. You thought radio? I would love, I mean, I would love to listen to shroud on AM radio, but it's definitely not web-based. Okay. Okay. So you can do, yeah. TikTok and IG live. Yes. So I actually, I do think this is actually a really cool idea. Um, I have been seeing one thing I've noticed on TikTok is I get a lot of random kind of streamers who I've seen live

grow to like partner level streams solely from like TikTok discovery, because we've talked about how great of a tool TikTok is in terms of discovery. And I've seen people what they essentially do is

They'll have a TikTok channel that's kind of all about like their setup and how they stream and what hours they stream and how they do this and maybe some tips for new streamers. And it does really well. And the way that they'll get people to go to their actual live stream is they hold up their phone, do a TikTok live pointing to just them, but not pointing to their stream. And people can see that they're playing and then they'll go to a link to the stream. Ah, okay.

I do get those live TikToks once in a while when I'm scrolling through. It'll arrive at a live stream. I almost always just skip because if nothing is happening at that very moment, I'm just moving on to the next thing. Exactly. But...

theoretically a non-zero number of people will go, what's happening here? I kind of want to know what this person's doing or what game they're playing or something. Exactly. And it's also really interesting because some people are really good at it. Some people are really good at interacting with that. But I've seen a couple of Valorant streamers who are just like,

dialed in and you'll just see them doing nothing, like super close to their microphone and their phones like right in front of their face. And then you just hear them like trash talking their team or something like that. And you wonder, but with this now, those people would be able to, despite being a Twitch partner and having a contract with Twitch and getting paid through Twitch, they would be able to share that screen through that so they could develop some sort of better way for discovery is the way that I see it. Got it. And that...

Makes sense. I guess the other way around isn't as restrictive. If you're not a Twitch partner and you are doing a YouTube live stream anyway, you might as well also do that on Twitch just because you can. So that is the thing that I... The reason I don't think this is quite as open as some people are saying, a lot of people are praising Twitch, which I do think it is a good step forward, but not quite what everyone's saying. Because if you're a big streamer on Twitch and...

you would be allowed to multi-stream to YouTube or Facebook. There's no downsides to that, right? Like you are just getting potential extra audience and not sacrificing your Twitch audience with what they actually allow where you have to end your Twitch stream and then go to YouTube.

that only feels like uh it feels like a big risk to me because at any point you're not streaming on the platform where your partner to make the best money if you're streaming on somewhere else you could have just been using that time to stream over there fair so yeah it's not quite as open it would be awesome but i also twitch is a business i understand it i don't like to give them credit for it but uh it makes sense yeah that's funny twitch is such a like a

Live streaming in general is such a different skill. I don't think people understand how hard it is to live stream and be entertaining and be good at whatever you're doing on the live stream. And I can't imagine trying to do that for two different live platform audiences at the same time. Because I find you have to engage with the chat in some way. If you're engaging with the Twitch chat like you normally do, but there's also a separate...

TikTok chat happening and you want to actually make use of that and paying attention to both, that seems like, yeah, really hard. So that is the reason that Twitch says they don't want to allow it because it would lead to a suboptimal experience for the chat because you'd have to have multiple chat logs.

But there are some Twitch partners who have older contracts. One of them is Linus, and he is allowed to do stuff like that. So Linus does actually do that. And not only that, he's including the floatplane chat as well. So it is possible out there. There is also a lot of when you're at that top, top level of streaming, you're

chat starts to become not far less doable. Shroud cannot read his chat. You can't read the chat, but you got to engage in some way, right? Are there streamers that are just streaming, playing the game, talking into the abyss, and you never really expect them to read anything you type or interact ever? So there definitely are streamers that are big enough where they're just pretty much not interacting with chat anymore. Then there are some really big ones who

with chat, but at a certain point, what you're interacting with is like the hive mind of chat rather than like an individual comment here and there. I know exactly what you mean. So I don't think that would actually be like sacrificed at all because if you have like a YouTube chat and a Twitch chat, minus taking up screen space, like...

say you're playing Valorant and you just hit like a nasty shot or have a really good round, the chat's just going to be spamming a bunch of like, that was crazy and like that was so nice, that was clean and you can still interact. You do like a live real-time sentiment analysis in your head as you see like the text and emojis and stuff roll through. Now all I can think of is like

streamers with the like math appearing above their head all the time. And like finding what to react and say to is basically like that. It's crazy. It's hard. Yeah. It's a job. I do want to talk though about this Dodge charger that's coming out. So first of all, Dodge has announced they're actually going to stop making combustion engine chargers and challengers, which was...

You know, it's a choice. Every manufacturer can either decide to keep going with the same name but turn it electric or sort of do this rebrand thing. And I actually talk about this in the upcoming IONIQ video, which might be live by the time that this video is, which is like every car manufacturer who's doing their first EV...

has a massive opportunity to rebrand however you want. Like there is no preconceived notion about what the Dodge EV is going to be until they decide. Is it going to be a premium thing? Is it going to be just like the gas car? What are they going to do? And so this opportunity from Dodge was they're going to make this Dodge Charger Daytona SRT, which is their first EV. Yeah.

And it's going to be attempting to appeal to the exact person that would have bought the gas version. Yes. And so the way they're doing that is by making it as similar as possible. Visually, it looks just like a normal charger. I will definitely say that, like,

despite not being a muscle car fan, I like this step. This feels like the F one 50 step of like using familiarity in terms of changing, not like the Mustang step, which is like, Hey, you guys like deep muscle cars. Here's a crossover. The Mustang one is always confusing to me because it's like half rebrand, half not rebrand. It's like you wanted to use the Mustang name, but to totally different group of people who doesn't really associate with Mustangs at all. So that was a weird one. But yeah, like I said, F one 50, uh, this one, uh,

Makes a really loud noise Which obviously isn't a real exhaust noise because it's an electric car, but they really leaned into us They were like this is gonna be the EV that you can hear coming. It'll be up to 126 decibels the whole presentation was about how loud and Obnoxious this car is gonna be just like the gas car fun fact that decibel level is over the legal noise limit in some cities like New York and LA perfect and

Perfect. That's exactly what we were aiming for. If you somehow made it onto the runway of an airport and you were standing 200 feet away from an airliner taking off, that would register at about 130 decibels. Nice. So this car, and like I said, they played it over and over again. They had it pull out from behind this fog thing.

and rev this noise. I don't actually know how you get this noise to happen. Maybe I assume you just match it with the pedal input, but we'll give you guys a sound preview of what we're talking about. It doesn't sound like a gas car, but it sounds like a revving motor of some kind. It's not that bad.

It's not the worst noise in the world. The comments are hilarious to me. One of the top comments on YouTube is Bose is about to be the biggest aftermarket exhaust company. This is a, so there's so many thoughts on this. First, number one, I think,

So fundamentally, it's just playing noise from a speaker, and it sounds to me like it's playing noise from a speaker. Now, that's not what they're going to call it. They're going to call it – what do they call – they have this fancy word for it, actually. Yeah. I would also be interested to hear this in person because the sound we're hearing is from, like, a cell phone recording. It's muffled. In, like, a crowd. Yeah.

I guess it's hard to tell exactly what is potentially peaking and getting messed up from the speaker or what is from the microphone of the smartphone. That is very fair. But they're calling it a patent-pending fratsonic chambered exhaust system. So it will play the sound and amplify it through the exhaust or where the exhaust would be because it's an EV and there is no exhaust. The point is it sounds to me like

Like, okay, you know how Teslas have a little tiny speaker on the outside and you can play whatever sound you want through it? Yeah. Your horn is its own thing, but if you want to map your horn to a different sound, it'll use that little speaker on the outside of the car. Okay. And you hit the horn and it plays like, you know, music or a fart sound or whatever else you think sounds like what you want your horn to sound like. It's not as loud as a horn because it's a waterproof speaker.

And to me, I want to hear this in person because to me, if it's 126 decibels, clearly it's very loud. But it still sounds like a speaker, which is kind of cheesy to me.

Anyway, I put it on Twitter. I polled. I kind of was like, is this what most car people are actually into? And my responses, I would say, are 20% hell yes, we want this to be loud. This is exactly what I was hoping for. 80% this is a shame. I hate this. I'm really weirded out by the fact that they put a speaker in this car. Yeah. I think the overall what people are going to think of this is I feel like it almost needs a third option of like,

I will never buy an EV and I will hate everything that happens to EVs because I'm a purist and I wonder if some of the... But I do think overall...

Kind of something you mentioned on Twitter actually was like that. This is one of those things we're gonna look back at Oh, yeah, this is my like think piece as I zoomed out further and further on this thought which is Okay, we're in 2022 right now, which is like this sort of an interesting awkward development stage where you have to convince someone to get an electric car and sometime in the future and like let's say a hundred years and

Let's go like everything. Every car is electric. Everyone's selling nothing but electric cars. And I think we're going to look back at 2022 as like, remember when we had to like make the electric cars kind of act like gas cars to get people to see the benefits? Because-

I don't know, feature development to me is more and more taking advantage of the fact that it's an electric car and you have all these things that you can do with it that you couldn't do with a gas car. So things like having a front trunk, things like having regenerative braking, things like being completely silent. And all of these things I think are advantages to being an electric car. But at

At every level, I see versions of reversing that to try to act more like a gas car. Even Tesla's done it. Tesla had a creep mode. I don't know if you remember this, where when you take your foot off the brake pedal, it would start to roll forward like a gas car. You said they took that away, right? They took that away. But initially, that was so that people who are used to a gas car would get used to the feeling. But that's literally just accelerating the electric motors to feel like a gas car. It's a waste of energy. Yeah, I do...

I do think like I kind of, if you're coming from a gas to an EV, they should have like a slow rollout of maybe you can't enable creep, but creep should be like enabled and slowly bring you into more and more regenerative. So I am someone who doesn't use it. And when I have to drive the camera car, the first 10 minutes feels like I'm just

slamming on the brakes all the time. - So I agree with you and I was gonna agree, but I think like a car is such a long-term purchase that you should just get used to it because there are so many advantages to all these things. - I'm talking like a month. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. 'Cause there's also things, so I'm talking about like the noise here, right? So driving an electric car, many of them have realized that it is a huge advantage to be perfectly silent. But a lot of the sports car or muscle car audiences who really like the sound,

are maybe a little bit jarred at first by having a silent car. It feels like no soul to it, no character, whatever. So for years, they're going to look for electric cars that have noise, and this is like them catering to that. There's also fake shifting. Did you hear about the fake shifting in the Dodge? Yeah.

I didn't hear about it in the Dodge, no. So another advantage to an electric car is you have motors that generate torque at all RPMs at very high speeds, and it's almost like this linear acceleration. There's no inefficient shifting to match revs and all this stuff. It just happens, and you just go. The Dodge will have...

simulated feeling of shifts by literally slowing you down to make it feel like you're shifting. That's hilarious to me because in like 10, 20 years, we're going to look back like, remember when that Dodge did that thing where they tried to slow it down to feel more like a gas car? That was really funny. I can't believe they're actually doing that. It's a lot of things that I do think we're going to look back and think is really funny, but I also think

that are potentially necessary right now in the changeover. To get people to switch. Yes. I am all for any gimmick

Especially, I think this fake sound is going to be something that you have on for the first week, week or two, turn it off, and then once in a while turn on for a friend or wanting to do something fun. But most of the time will just be turned off completely. I think these should all be things, and this is just from where I'm coming from, which is I'm very used to EVs already, but I think they should all be off by default and you can enable them if it lets you get used to it faster, like creep mode or like Porsche lets you

turn on the sound it's off by default in normal drive modes but you can turn it on things like that like I just there's so many advantages to an EV like fundamentally and and ergonomically and efficient wise like you just why would you throw that away to like

Feel more like a gas car, but then again, you're right There's people who are gonna just feel totally out of their element in a car that doesn't look anything like their old car I think the problem is like going back to creep mode Which I think is not exactly what we're talking about But the transition is like if you enable full-blown regenerative braking on the Tesla and someone's test driving it and then that 20-minute test drive is just forward back forward back. They might be like

I don't know about that. And then go back and buy a different car. And I do think these small things just to get people in the seat and then, like you said, get used to it. I think the ideal thing for creep mode would be starts defaulted on after one month. It says like,

Would you like to try regenerative braking? You can save a bunch of energy this way and then do 20% or something like that, and then it steps you into it. You know what the Ioniq does? What's that? The Ioniq had paddle shifters, which was interesting. It doesn't make any sense that a paddle shifter is an electric car. It's one gear. But the paddle shifters specifically shift you between levels of regen when you take your foot off the accelerator.

There was four levels. The max level was I-pedal. I don't know why they name everything, but that's full one pedal driving where you take it off and you go all the way to zero.

But you could have it fully coast like a normal gas car. And then you hit the left paddle and you get a little bit of regen. And you hit the paddle again, you feel it slow down even more. That was kind of interesting. So you can adapt on your own to like go to one pedal driving and get used to that. But that is much more efficient to use regen. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I do think like to take a step back from this whole thing and everyone listening, if we just, it is really cool to think about that we're like in the experience of this,

The transition from gas to electric vehicle like there have been a lot of big transitions throughout Humankind and like I do think this is a pretty big one and it's cool that we get to see all these weird little things that they're doing to to do that transition and to eventually get to there where I do think like you said in a hundred years we're gonna look back on this and be like

like that was kind of weird. That was kind of dumb. I can't believe people needed that to switch because now we're seeing all the benefits of it, but it does. You can't have 60 years of driving a gas car and immediately want to switch to an EV. Like there's just that little, that little ledge you have to jump off of to do it. Um, I did think of one reason the, uh,

changing gears and the fake gears on the charger could be cool. A lot of people who buy muscle cars do like to drag race, but a reason for drag racing is like there is a skill involved in it. So it changes it from solely reaction time of flooring it off the start, which is still a skill. Like you could do that, but then everyone drag racing could just have a like iPad in front of them with a green dot that shows up and whoever hits it first would have been the winner. But like,

If it has, you would have to mandate adding that on the gear shifting and then it would take the actual skill base of gear shifting into something like that. And then it's like for sport essentially. Yeah. Where you can like be bad at shifting and go slower. Yeah.

Yeah. But then you leave it off for normal everyday driving. Yeah, yeah. Because drag racing is a subset of the activity you do in your car. Yeah, that's fair. It's just, yeah. It's funny looking back at seeing all of the different things that they're trying. And then all the things that they're trying to make it... Because there's also the other end of, well, it's electric. So we've got to make it feel electric. So the F-150 Lightning...

is basically just an F-150. There's some small differences. It has a lightning bolt. It has a lightning bolt on it. They did feel the need to go headlight bar, taillight bar, which seems like a trend with electric vehicles now. They're doing that. So there's some aesthetic things that they're doing, but it even looks like it has a grill. It even looks like all the normal stuff, like an engine under the hood, even though it's just a huge front trunk. So...

So there are lots of things that are fun to watch as far as making an EV in an age of gas cars. I'm excited to see this. I'm excited to see who might make the change, who might be interested in the sound, what people might do.

It's not for me. It's not my cup of tea. So I'll be interested to see who does, whose it is. I just wanted to throw out there that this is not a normal car company we're talking about. This is Dodge. This is the company whose trim levels include Demon and Hellcat. This is the company who actively disappointed their fan base by announcing that they would not make a 700 horsepower minivan. Yeah.

So, I think as they reinvent themselves in the EV age, I hope they keep being insane. They seem to be leaning still very into that. Yeah. Into just being the Dodge Demon lovers, the Durango Hellcat SRT fans. Like, they're going to like some of this stuff and that's what they're aiming for. I would very much like to see in the comments if you are excited for this because, like,

There's a group. I think there's a group, and I think that if there's anything that any company could do to get that group of muscle car heads to be interested in EVs, I think that is a worthwhile thing, especially if, like, I can't imagine adding a speaker with a loud noise. Is that much R&D into it? It's the best that they could probably think of. Like, if you were sitting in Dodge headquarters and you were like, all right,

Seems like the future is electric. I have like a slight accent now. Seems like the future is electric. But, you know, we make all these amazing gas cars. This is what happens to Bugatti right now. This is exactly what's happening to Bugatti. The future is electric, but we still want to make the best performance cars for our fans. How do we get them to buy our first electric car? And then somebody in the corner is like, we put a really big speaker on the back so it sounds like a gas car. And they went,

Yeah, that's probably, yeah, I think that's going to work. That'll do. Here we go. So, yeah, we'll see. My hot take from Twitter, someone replied that it's basically the same thing as skeuomorphism from the early days. Remember when app designs all had like leather-bound notebooks and like stitching and materials? And you were like, you're just trying to convince me it's a notebook, but I know it's not a notebook. There's so many advantages to a digital notebook. Stop giving me a leather-bound bezel. That's stupid. Yeah.

And now here we are. We don't use that anymore. I think that's a really good analogy. I dig it. But there's a lot of people who hate minimalism too, so we'll see where that goes. All right, we've got to take a break. We'll come back. We've got to do trivia, but then we're going to talk about the Apple event. So let's do trivia. All right, let's get into it. So prior to founding Apple, Steve Jobs worked as a technician for what 70s tech giant? Oh, technician. Technician.

I don't know any of these. I have a hunch, but I don't actually know if it's the right hunch, but I guess we'll find out. Yes, we will. So be right back. We'll be right back.

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All right, welcome back. I believe by the time you're watching this that we are probably within two to three weeks tops of Apple's September event, typically one of the more highly anticipated events, especially considering the production value, us video nerds, we want to see it, but also the products that come out. And yeah, we've definitely talked in spurts about probably each one of these things, but we're just going to put it all in one place. This is all the stuff that we're expecting and maybe hoping for.

at this September event. - Yeah, it's like the guide to get ready for the Apple event in September, which I think a lot of tech people see as kind of like the big peak of the craziness. - This is the spike that starts all of the spikes.

Asterisk, Apple might do like two or three events to close out this year. It seems like that's what they're doing more often. Yeah, like I don't think we're going to see a Mac Pro anytime at this event. I don't think we're going to see iPad-related stuff at this event. I think it's just going to be a few things. Probably, I guess we'll just say it. I think it's going to be iPhone 14 and related things. And if anything else, Apple Watch and AirPods.

Am I missing anything? Yeah, I actually haven't. So we're going to be talking about a lot of things. Mark Gurman is usually the person that I follow in these senses. So I've basically written down a lot of things that Mark is predicting. I did not see an AirPods thing.

But you never know with AirPods. They could just be releasing some new features, small updates, stuff like that. I think right now the rumored launch event is September 7th. Right, which would be like... About a week and a half from the release of this episode. All of my predictions about this stuff, I get... This is so funny. It's like evergreen advice. I get people asking me like, hey, I just broke my phone. Should I buy the new iPhone now? And I just tell them like, well, typically September the new iPhones come out. And they're like, oh...

That's really good advice because people tend to either forget or not really think about it too hard. Most people don't buy a new iPhone every year, but it's like clockwork. It's always been like September 12th. I think I've flown on September 11th for like four years in a row.

Because it's always the Apple event is either right before or right after that date. I was guessing the 14th because it seems to be Wednesday a lot. And I think it's been on the 14th or 15th is what I always remember in my head. So I would have guessed the week after. But it also wouldn't surprise me if it was a week sooner. It could move a whole week. Yeah. Cool. But yeah, we're going to definitely see some iPhone 14 stuff so we can start with that.

Have made what two videos during the course of this year about iPhone 14 possibilities one of them being What if this phone peaks and it uses the same silicon as last year the same a 15 bionic? interesting and only the pro iPhones get a silicon upgrade and then the other being the pill cutouts the design being slightly different at the top and

And then the possibility of getting rid of the ports, but I don't think that's going to happen. Yeah, I think actually the biggest one, and we have talked about this in the past, is no Mini but having a standard Max. And I actually think...

That is awesome. Like it is to me one of those things where I don't know how I've never thought about that being a thing because we've always like, I guess in the past they have had just the regular and the max, but then once they broke the pro line, the pro line always had the max. Yeah. And it always seemed kind of crazy to like have to buy it, spend

spend way more money to buy into this like new camera and a bunch of really niche different things. Just to get a bigger screen. Yeah, exactly. But people like bigger screens. We see it in every single smartphone that comes out. Every product that comes out. Like TVs, if you can just get the bigger version of the same TV, you don't need a bunch of extra features. Most people will do that. Yeah. Yeah. So facts, I think this new lineup having a 14, a 14 Max, a 14 Pro, and a 14 Pro Max is

I think that 14 max is going to be the one that just goes bonkers, that everyone wants to buy. That's going to be the big one this year. Yeah, I see it as being like... Sorry, I missed that. Literally. I think this is going to be the lineup that just generates the most sales because it is giving you that option. We haven't seen pricing yet, so I really wonder what 14 max plus 14 pro, how close those will be or if even potentially around the same price. I can guess. Yeah.

Let me finish this thought and then we'll guess on it. I think like this lineup is going to be the one that potentially sells the most. But that mini beforehand was the one that had like the super loyal dedicated ones. I don't think there's going to be like the crazy the iPhone 14 Max is like the coolest phone ever and like the loyalness of it.

but apple cares way more about sales than they do about the loyal uh mini buyers yeah i think the mini buyers are also it was a small loyal group exactly it's discontinued because that group while they are loyal isn't big enough to justify keeping the mini around yeah so if i was guessing prices and this is just the way i'm i'm pairing together like the stuff coming from the rumors and what mark german's saying and then just what makes sense based on logic

I think the iPhone 14 baseline starts at what the old mini started at. So I guess 699. So that would be a bump down. It would be a bump down, but it's basically the same phone as the 13 because it's using the same chip. It might have some updated camera stuff. We think it's using the same chip. Yeah, this is all what we think. We think it's probably using the same silicon chip.

People definitely think you know something now that we made that flip. We do not. I don't. I don't have any of this stuff. I don't know. So yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm going from the information. But yeah, I think they can bump down the price and then it'll go $699, $799, $899. Sorry, $799, $899.

$999, $1099. So $799 is iPhone 14, which is where the mini was before. Then $899 is iPhone 14 Max. $999 is iPhone 14 Pro. $1099 is iPhone 14 Pro Max. Pros get 120 hertz pro motion. They're still going to ship $800 phones with 60 hertz screens. They're just going to do it again.

and no one's gonna i know it's gonna bad exactly like we are the only we are the people that are upset with that and it makes no difference i will complain about it and i will get heat for complaining about it and iphone people will go nobody cares and i'll go i care and they'll go well you're alone and it's just it's our job we like for a high refresh rate yeah we are allowed to nitpick at things that happen whether the general public likes it or not like it that's fine

Most of the people who aren't watching our videos are going to go into a store and try it in their hands, and they're going to see if that feels weird or not. But if it is those prices, which I would kind of bet with you, that's an awesome lineup. If you take the regular one and knock it down now, that's a sick lineup. So the question will be, will the pros be worth getting? And I think the answer will be, how badly do you want the extra camera

and LIDAR and that whole thing. Maybe there's a whole upgraded camera system just on the Pros. Maybe there's a 50 megapixel sensor or something crazy just on the Pros. ProMotion, that 120 hertz display,

uh, the new upgraded silicon just being in the pro phones and then potentially a new design getting rid of the notch and turning it into like, uh, the pill cutouts or hole punches instead of the notch. That is one thing I wanted to talk about. I, from what I read, it seems like only the pros are getting the pill cutout potentially. And it's also, it's a pill cutout plus a regular cutout. It seems to be right. So it's face ID. Yeah.

And so in order to have Face ID work, you need both the webcam and also the IR blaster and reader. It's more than one cutout up there. But the cheaper phones, cheaper in air quotes, will still have the notch. They'll be just like the 13. They will be just like the 13. There's basically a max version. Just one with a bigger screen. Yeah.

I still think it's a good lineup. I think it's interesting. I like the fact that, um, cause in the past there have been times where I, I had a hard time recommending the four, the 13 pro over the 13 because they felt so close together with like a decent 13 price bump. Yeah. Like the two standard size ones. It felt, yeah, you got an extra camera and like promotion even before you didn't in the 12, you didn't even get promotion, right? You just got, they were almost the same phone. Um,

So differentiating that a little bit, I do wonder if that means there could be more of a price bump between the two. You have them starting at about $100 off of each other from the max to the regular, which I guess more is like a 200 jump in terms of comparing direct sizes. Yeah. I just think Apple is actively looking for ways to separate and distinguish the pro from the non-pro.

Yeah.

But the 14 Max is probably going to be a sweet spot. Here's my question. What's the difference between an iPhone 13 and an iPhone 14? If they don't change the cameras, if they don't change the notch, if they don't change the chip, is it just a new color? Are they going to change the shape at all? That was the question I wanted to ask is what new color are we going to get? We're going to get some orange color. It went green, blue, green, right? Like we've kind of...

We had the forest green on the 12. Then we had the blues on the 13. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Green on 11, blue on 12. And then another green, a different green on 13. Like a military green on 13. So I would wonder if we go back to like a...

Blue again? I'm already confusing myself. No warm colors? I kind of like the Pro's special colors. I like that light blue Pacific. Not Pacific. That was the dark blue. I forgot the name, but I like the Pro's colors. Anyway, yeah, what's the difference between those phones? I don't know. I'm not totally sure. Beats me. I'm trying to think of something, but I can't really think of what it could be. I don't think Apple has any problem with them being almost the same phone. I just think it'll be hilarious when...

they're almost the same exact phone. And all those people that you told to wait till September will be really mad when they want to get the standard iPhone. Well, none of those people have a 13. All those people have older phones and they're like, I just broke my iPhone 10 or whatever. So that's going to be a thing. We'll keep an eye on that.

Maybe some new camera stuff. We'll obviously be testing it thoroughly. But we're also keeping our eye out for Apple Watch stuff, Apple Watch Series 8 and allegedly a Pro version, like a big battery, big GPS, up to the task, durable. I'm going to start calling them like, because this is very similar to what Samsung just did where they released the 5 and the 5 Pro. It feels like they're like

Garmin-fying things. 100%. And I love it. I think it's such a good idea. Yeah. I wonder how many people, because now we're talking about people like a bigger screen, will they justify the Pro? How many people will actually want to get a big, bulky, Garmin-competing Pro Apple Watch? I think it's going to be a small fraction of Apple Watch buyers. Do you think there's any chance it's circular?

Ah, interesting. Does the shape change? I think no, but at a certain point, how much bigger can you make that screen before it just feels like you're putting... I don't even know what to... It feels like circular has the chance for more... Because if you kept it the same form factor, but just add the... A bezel? The circles, it would be a bigger screen.

Yeah, I'm looking at the Apple Watch on my wrist right now. It can't really get much bigger without starting to look like a computer on your wrist. It already looks like a computer on the wrist. Ask Mr. O'Leary. We talked to him about this already. Mr. O'Leary? Kev. But I do think it could be a different shape. I don't really know. I don't know what the rumors say either. Rectangle. Well, probably not. I hope not. Vertical rectangle. I'm going to throw up in my mouth. I think it could be a circle.

And I also think like what Samsung did, because Samsung inset the screen in like the bezel, so it's like protected a little bit. I think that would be a good idea for a durable version of this watch. It's durable, don't get me wrong, but you go climbing, like you can ruin an Apple Watch. So I think protecting it probably with some sort of bezel looks best in a circle shape. I do want to see what the protection aspect is because I just saw a rugged titanium case. So are they just going to like...

I know titanium's already an Apple Watch-like material, but is it just going to be this exact same looking thing and it's just like how we update Gorilla Glass every year or whatever? I do feel like it has to have some sort of more protection to it. I think it does, yeah. And I wonder what that's going to look like. I mean, the Apple Watch is probably, while I think it's incredible, it's probably the most boring thing we watch every year at the event, so I'm excited to actually have something that I'm going to like

is gonna be on the screen and I'm gonna be surprised by. I feel like I need to turn off all Apple leaks on Twitter for the next couple of weeks. I also feel like it's going to follow in the Samsung footsteps pretty hard, which is like Samsung made it a little thicker,

Gave it a like one and a half times battery which we talked about this like last week, which is like alright This is a 1.5 day battery life Yeah, how good does it have to be to get you to want to use it two days? Mm-hmm two and a half days like we'll see how far they get yeah the battery stuff but you know GPS sort of Garmin like features hopefully being All around more durable. That's what we're looking forward to but I do think it'll have to be a different shape That's what I'm expecting. I like that. I

So we'll keep an eye on that. Aside from that, it's like, all right, they make iPads, they make Macs. I don't really see that stuff showing up in the September event and taking the iPhone's thunder. I think this is basically the iPhone event with some iPhone accessories, which is why I say AirPods and Apple Watch. Are there any other iPhone accessories that would show up here? I guess not. That's probably it.

I think that's going to be... Stylus? No. Where'd you pull that out? I forget I even said that. Steve Jobs. That would be a hell of a random iPhone thing. The one more thing. Well, they do a one more thing sometimes, but I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think it's going to. It's never going to be a stylus. I think... I'd maybe cut this out if I'm totally wrong. I'll have to Google this after. But I'm pretty sure they would have to put a different screen technology in the iPhone for it to work properly.

with the Apple Pencil. Yes. Because doesn't the iPad screen have like the capacitive and reverse capacitive where the Apple Pencil actually inputs voltage into the screen? And so it won't work with a non-iPad. Right, yeah. Yeah, they would have to do a lot. And maybe that would be a differentiating feature. But also like who wants a stylus with an iPhone?

Is that a real... I mean, yes, there is a non-zero number of people who are listening to this right now saying, yes, that's what I want. I want a stylus with the iPhone. I want an iPad mini, but just like a little smaller. That's so funny. I want an iPad mini with 120 hertz screen. That's actually what I want. I, for the longest time, have thought an iPad mini with 120 hertz refresh screen would be the best...

side display for creatives because you could put one plug-in with just like four numbers on ipad pro mini or ipad mini pro that's actually what i want and i don't think they're gonna make it no but yeah that's uh that's maybe like a january event or some other like later in the year we usually see like in october and because isn't like i've had mac

I thought it was usually an iPad event first and then a Mac event. They started doing iPad in like March, right? Like the iPad Pro. Isn't there, there might be another iPad thing that I'm forgetting.

But I know they do like another Mac event later in the year. Yeah, yeah. We still need to see like M2. We still need to see Mac Pro probably. M2 Extreme. Yeah, Extreme. Apparently that's what it's called, like the Mac Pro. I think we've just been guessing. Well, because that's what they keep calling it in the rumors, which is like we have M1 Ultra, which is like four times the size of M1 or whatever. We're supposed to have an M1 Extreme in the tower, the Mac Pro that completes the Apple Silicon lineup.

And it's going to be four times the M1 Ultra. I think we need to cut this before Marques goes on a 40-minute rant about wanting the Mac Pro. It's going to be sick. It's going to be awesome. I exported some files for LSD the other day that were like 500 megabyte audio files with three different roles. And it was like a seven-second export on the Mac Studio. Not that I need it to be twice as fast, but how sick would that be? But it could be. And seven seconds was like...

The slow one. We did it before and we did it like a second. It's like a second and a half. Imagine the seconds we could be saving. That should be their slogan. I mean, at this point, like, I don't have any performance problems with the M1 Ultra Max Studio that I'm editing on, but how sick would it be if it was four times as powerful? And I could actually... The stuff that I don't do, which is like full-res 8K playback in RAW when I'm changing color stuff, or like...

every time i have to do a tracking shot of like i need to do a color correction but only this circular mask over my face for this five minute clip i needed to track all 10 000 frames and i just go track and i just walk away like what if that was four times faster that'd be cool stuff like that exporting that'd be cool so anyway i'm getting off track but we expect some good stuff we're always chasing that high yeah we got some we got some good stuff in september and we're looking forward to that so definitely stay tuned to the channels for it

But we're going to talk about some other phones, but we should take a quick break, which means we should also get one more trivia question. Okay. Oh, I'm muted. Nailed it. Cut that out, Andrew. Or Adam. Wow. So it's very easy in 2022 to get your cable connectors and protocols mixed up. Think the difference between USB-C and Thunderbolt. Same connector, different beast. Yeah.

The Ethernet protocol is commonly carried through what type of cable? And I'll give you bonus points if you can name the kind of connector on the end of that cable.

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Alright, welcome back. Quick update. As we went into break, I checked Twitter and it turns out that's exactly when the Apple event invites just went out. I just got one in my inbox, so confirmed. The event is, in fact, September 7th, one week before the normal expectation.

And it's got this starry theme to it. It says, far out. That's the theme. Usually we overanalyze the invite. It's got a bunch of stars. My guess would be that means we're going to get some sort of astrophotography camera feature in one of these new iPhones. Or maybe we'll get a whole James Webb space telescope feature inside the telescope. All right.

That would be sick. That's the difference between the Pro and the regular. Yeah, the regular Astro and then James Webb mode. But yeah, so that's happening. Definitely looking forward to that. Okay, let's talk about the folding stuff. We do have a video. I'm definitely just going to make this video. It's the state of foldables. Yeah. Foldable, folding, folding phones. I like folding phones. State of foldable phones, foldables. Sure. Working title. Yeah.

But one of the ones I wanted to show you was this guy here, which is by Xiaomi. Now, before I hand this to you, my explanation is basically all of these folding devices are turning into either a Samsung Fold or a Samsung Flip.

Like they're all congregating on that basic idea. Like we have the Oppo Find N. It's like a shorter version of the Fold. Yes, I love it. We have the Fold 4, which is more refined than ever Fold. The hinge is great. But it still feels like a sort of a compromised form factor because it's still so thick. And if you use it long enough, you get used to that. But you notice it's three times as thick as a normal phone. I'm going to hand this to you. This is the Xiaomi Mix Fold 2.

It's a Fold just like the Fold 4, but it is half the thickness of Samsung's Fold, and I think it makes a meaningful difference in how normal it feels as a phone. I can already say, as you're handing it to me, it just looks like a phone from the back. If you were to take...

I'll try and it's thicker. It feels like the thickness of a phone. I'm holding both of these into the camera right now. And if you were to just look at the back, not knowing it's fold, you would think the Samsung looks weird and off and the Xiaomi looks correct. It's a wider aspect ratio. It is the normal size of a normal screen on the outside. And you could use it for a while, just like a normal phone without ever opening it. And you'd probably be fine. I weirdly love this camera bump. It is not like...

xiaomi is getting pretty good at these it's weird it's like really industrial looking but i think i'm okay with that because we're getting to this point of camera bumps the more sleek you make them just kind of the worst they they're like they don't look that great because when you're trying to jam three cameras on the back of a phone it's never going to look good so do this industrial kind of like perfectly extruded across the top a camera bump and then like

I don't mind the text and the flashes. I think it looks really nice actually. - Just to zoom out a little, I think this is the best overall fold style piece of hardware that's been made yet. The one thing it doesn't do that Samsung's does is this, which is flex mode, which is opening halfway and staying open halfway.

Xiaomi does not want to do that at all. You open it and it just snaps open. Once it gets to a certain point, it snaps. It snaps all the way. It doesn't want to stay there. They did that with the Flip, right? Samsung did it with the Flip. This feels fantastic. This might be...

If we're looking at, and we've debated this before, what should a folding phone be? Should it be an iPad or a tablet that folds down? If your goal is to make a phone, a regular phone that folds bigger, this is the closest we have to it right now. I love the Oppo Find N. We have the Mate. I just brought a bunch in here to compare. The Mate XS2. I think that's a weird... I don't like the outside screen. This is...

This is easily the best feeling one out of all of them. It is thinner than the Fold 4. It is at the same time wider than the Fold 4, so it feels right. So despite it being more like a regular phone because it's bigger, it still feels smaller, which is awesome. Yeah, it's a great dimension. Dude, it feels so nice. The hinge is fantastic. It snaps into place really nicely. I'm going to give you a couple more. Sorry to interrupt.

A couple more things, reasons why I think it's one-upping Samsung. First of all, the cameras on the back, flagship cameras. Samsung's also pretty close, but they're not doing their ultra cameras in there, so awesome cameras. It's a Snapdragon 8 Plus Gen 1, so is Samsung's. That's great. It's also got a one-terabyte version with 12 gigs of RAM.

It's an 8.1-inch internal display, which is about a half an inch bigger than Samsung's. So you can sort of see the difference in shape. It's wider. It is overall bigger. And it feels like you're getting more of a tablet. That feels like significantly bigger when you hold them next to each other. It's kind of hard to see on this. Samsung is like 7.6 diagonally or something like that. Thinner bezels, they really were just refining in millimeters this year. Xiaomi just went, yeah, it's way bigger. 8.1-inch diagonal.

bigger aspect ratio on both screens. So that's one thing. And it's also, despite being thinner, rocking a much larger battery. This year with Samsung, I think it's either 4,400 or 4,700. Doesn't matter, both smaller. This is a 5,020 milliampere battery. That's awesome. Which is great in a phone so thin. So yeah, it feels like this is the apex of the style of normal phone that turns into a tablet.

Do you know what it's also doing better? The wedge when it's folded on the Samsung, this does not have that. This is flat. It doesn't have that gap, and neither does the Oppo Find N. I'm showing this to you. I don't think you'd be able to see it on camera, but just like when it folds, it folds flat. I remember in the Find N video, like closed a piece of paper in it. Yeah, I don't know how Samsung hasn't done that yet.

It feels like these are something these phones are getting to step up on Samsung on because I do ultimately think whether this makes a huge difference or not that like

this always runs the issue of more stuff getting inside a screen and then closing it on it, which scares me. It's interesting. It might be a choice to specifically not have the screens touch where Xiaomi is okay with them touching because now if you get dust in between there and close it, now you're definitely damaging the screen. Where Samsung's, if you have that little wedge and you close it and there's some dust in there, it actually doesn't shove dust into the screen anymore.

- Yeah, that could be it. - Possibly. - Possibly. I do think one gripe on this phone, the edges are very rounded, which means you can feel that there's two parts to it very easily. I think if these were flattened out and kept the same thickness,

Maybe it would feel like the phone's a little thicker, but it's still much thinner than the Fold 4, and I think it would eliminate that gap that you would feel. It's not a gap. It's just like a ravine almost, and I don't love that. This, I think I can easily say, just holding it hardware-wise, like you said, this is the best folding phone ever.

that i felt right now yeah this is like outfold oh my goodness no both ways and unfolded in just like than the flip stuff too yeah yeah oh that's what you mean yeah it's like flips now i think samsung has the best flip the flip three because you have like razor you have uh fair p50 pocket you have a bunch of other flip style phones they're all converging on just like following the samsung footsteps there okay but i think this is leading the way i yeah the like uh

Yeah, the big fold, the tablet fold type of thing. This is the best one. I would even argue to say I would rather use this than a Z Flip. I immediately agreed, and then I tried using it, and the software is a nightmare. Well, yeah, that's hard to, yeah, okay. It's not totally fair. I wish there was like a US-based version of this that was running everything. I would immediately use that. Okay, ASMR fold shut challenge. That's the fold, Samsung. It's a little beefier, a little thicker sound.

Samsung again. Oh, you want me to do this? Yeah, one more Xiaomi. Can we do them both into Marquesas, Mike? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get some real scientific continuity here. Yeah, so this is now Xiaomi. Just a little bit thicker sound. One more from Samsung. Those are very similar sounding. They're similar. Xiaomi again. Just feels different in the hand. Doesn't sound that different, but it feels different. Here's Oppo Find N, the smaller one.

Well, that's the best sound. It's like muffled more. I kind of dig that. One more for the fine den, just for the sound. That's the best sound. This is high quality content right here. I don't know if that will actually do anything because it like snaps into place. It's a special sound. Here's the Huawei Mate XS2. One more time.

Still sounds better than the Surface Duo. Yeah, there you have it. No, actually. Surface Duo is. No, no, the Surface Duo sounds good. Great hinge. Great hinge. Great hinge. That's probably, that might be the best sounding foldable. Yeah. If that's what you're going for. Exactly. All right, well, that's probably where we'll end it. I was going to go like one more thing and just mention that the story of like the nothing phone not supporting Android 13 immediately and getting a tweet from Carl saying like, what is 13 anyway?

What does the number on paper really mean to you is just too funny for me. I just can't put into words how poetic that is. I think officially it said first half of 2023. Yeah. That'll come out on June 20th. That's so funny because they promise a certain number of updates, but they didn't promise how fast they would do it. So I guess that's still fine. Yeah, that's pretty much it. Let's do the trivia answers now.

And then we'll be done. Trivia answers. All right. To...

Beautiful questions on this beautiful, I guess I can't say what day it is. Do people know what day we record? Yeah, we record on Wednesdays if anyone's wondering. I think we have to explain it on Twitter every once in a while because people will say like, you missed this and this. It's like, well, we recorded the day before that. Beautiful Wednesday morning. All right. So question number one. Prior to founding Apple, Steve Jobs worked as a technician at what 70s tech giant? And right now you guys are tied.

Five to five. Okay. I have an answer that I won't change. I mean, it's a total guess, and I feel like it's just attempting to guess one of the larger companies. I'm just going to write mine down in case it's the same guess. What's your guess? I mean, we're writing them down on the same sheet, so, well, we have different ones. Okay, there we go. So, yours is what? IBM. I said HP, and I don't think I'm right.

The answer was Atari. Whoa. Atari. That's a giant. That was a giant. That's kind of awesome. And that's really cool because Macs are so well-known for gaming. Yeah. No, it's definitely not HP. I'm sure those were mortal enemies at the time. Gateway. Was Gateway that old? Do you remember Gateway? Yeah. Well, I had a Gateway. Did you? Didn't they combine? Or wasn't it like Dell Gate? No. What was the... They probably merged with someone. What was it? It was Gateway. He would...

Don't think too hard. This could be a trivia question. It could be. I just really like... I had some connection to Gateway. I just remember their logo was like a square that looked like a cow, and I always thought that was hilarious and not a very good way at showing off the computer. Do you remember the sound of a Gateway booting up? No. Let's look it up. That was an iconic sound. That's why you said cow, because when you said Gateway, I was like, were they the Dalmatian computers? Dalmatian, that's funny. But was it a cow? I mean, I don't know what it exactly was.

Looking at it, I still vote cow. It feels like the spots are bigger than what a Dalmatian would be. No, that's cow. Yeah, definitive cow. Oh, the gateway square. Yeah, it's a cow. This is a gateway. MT6460. Push the power button. Now keep pumping F2. F2. Keep pumping it. Keep pumping it. Is he going to get a boot up sound if he's trying to... Yeah, he's going into the BIOS. Yeah, but are you going to get a boot up sound? You're going to pass it. We're going to get in mine. Oh, man. This is a setup.

this guy walked so you could run it's just gonna put it's gonna restore all the factory settings for the for the setup okay like and subscribe leave comments i got a few more videos coming i'm trying to wait till i get to the wi-fi i love that this is how long a computer used to take the boot

That's so good. Did the sound ever happen? No, I never got to hear the sound. I just want to say, can we bring back, I guess nothing's kind of doing it right now, but can we bring back serifed fonts in tech? I don't understand why every font for a tech company looks like vitamin water. They got to all simplify everything. But why? Sans everything. Sans serifs though? Sans detail, sans serif, sans edges, sans character. Well, we both got that one wrong.

Okay, I can't find the gateway. The boot up sound, we'll figure that out later. I'll find it. I'll cut to a picture of me with my thumbs up and we'll play it. Wait, there literally was a gateway cow. Yeah. Oh, this is creepy as... There were definitely commercials with it. Were there not commercials with the cow? Wait, this is like a Windows 11 gateway. I don't know why that's a thing. But I definitely remember... Well, I don't definitely remember, but I kind of visually remember. Oh my God, the box looked like it.

Yeah, there was a whole commercial with cows. What's up with this calf? Is that supposed to be Intel? Has Intel ever used a calf before? They had a plushie. I want one of these plushies. That's awesome. Yeah, they had a Gateway PC commercial with an actual cow. Oh, yeah, with a real cow? Yeah, it's a real thing. It's a real memory I have. Incredible. Talk was weird, kids. Yeah.

Moving on. Anyway, okay, question number two. Very easy to get your connectors and protocols mixed up. True. So, Ethernet protocol is commonly carried through what type of cable? Andrew! I'm, like, trying to think of... Oh, man. Oh, and bonus points if you know the name of the connector. You're, like...

Is this like the type of wiring that's inside it? Or are we just talking about like a cat cable? I was going to say cat cable, yeah. But like, are we trying to figure out the... No, you go. That's it. Is it an acronym? It's short for category. And there's cat 5, 6, 7, and I think 8 is pretty new. And it's one of the only things that are all...

backwards compatible with one another. Is the port... Oh. Because the port's really ridiculous? Is it like IEE 94 or something crazy? It's RJ45. Oh. I have heard that. But it's important to say that cats six through eight all use an RJ45 connector, which is what allows them to be backwards compatible. My old tech director would...

slap me if I didn't knowing that I didn't get that right he taught me how to do all that at one point in my life and it's confusing it's really confusing yeah yeah anyway wasn't that fun we got a point yeah we got a point we got a point on Ellis question week I think that's a win good job that's a win all around I know everybody listening thinks they were gonna get both questions right but there's no way you got them both right anyway tweet us if you did

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