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Mark s. Andrew and I am David. Just getting .
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I don't think really um mark isn't here because he is in california for the W F D F beach world ultimate tournament is playing for team U S, A ultima confusing sport.
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T, M, U, S, A, he is playing on the next team, but he is representing U, S, A, which is pretty sick. Couple other, uh, players over their city, jacky and shown my love. Uh, east costers excited to play.
I forget somewhere in california. nice. Just little california.
Just california.
On the beach is on the beach, at the beach automate words, you know that the the what's the local california? You know where that is the beach. Uh, yeah, but anyways, market isn't with us, but we do have a sound by of him, so he can still stick with us in spirit. Adam, can you play .
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Anyway, uh, he's missing the kind of crazy week. We had an apple event IT was the scary fast thirty minute apple event very quick. Uh, new m three chips announced this week.
We also got some stuff with meta news subscription model for facebook and instagram in europe. And also the us. Is issuing an executive order around our official al intelligence. It's kind of child I something about yeah.
get into that all later. But before that, David, I am Alice, have a question for you guys even though the episodes after halloween have a spooky question for you. I know, alright, we seen jack ChatGPT and I am doing different products this year.
But have you heard of what is a product that you think there's a product we've covered in the past before would be the most terrifying to add. ChatGPT, just like AI gone. Are you asking what product .
have we covered that would be the most terrifying? Or just what would be the most terrifying?
Apply what I think, what would you what is a product that would be terrifying to be in? And the hint of giving you as we have covered.
try before excluding the hint, my answer is, I know it's dry wall.
just dry.
All think all of your walls could talk to you at any moment. I would just, I would feel like i'm going insane.
Fair, I missed the draw video. We did.
Astro.
I know I wanted to be ao.
actually.
imagine A T, imagine aso, like .
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I'm a video. I A video here that you guys can click. It's a boston dynamics.
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And this video I want you guys to like, you can open IT quickly. And so journey.
the charging service stop. Oh, no. Dynamic so you guys know spot the four legged boston dynamics or robot effectively they added a natural language model to IT and you just going to be a bigger problem when they added to atlas. Yeah, but IT talks at you, but IT has no eyes. So it's just flap is moving .
well because it's the boss that's actually um there's a module that you can put on top that kind of almost a night, which is like door handles and stuff. They they took that in my kind of enough is in the spirit of however but they feel like google eyes and like a little Butler hat and must ash on IT um and they added chat P T in a couple of A I functions to let IT use the camera.
And no no, I don't know if it's necessarily controlling where IT moves, but it's able to use the camera and voice input to talk back you. There's a couple couple of options. The examples they show and there they ask you to sing A I Q or to say A I Q based on like where IT is.
They asked you a couple things about inside of the factory and they they also give you a bunch of different like characters like ones like a shake experience actor IT talks in like poetry almost and some of its its cute the way they show IT terrifying thinking about the way yeah IT could be used I guess um yeah both boston namic is really cool. We've met them there. Some supervise people. But just seeing this add to IT is kind of work fine, control its movements. They know I do not necessarily know about that.
I want to say yes because there is one part where he specifically says like IT is not having thoughts but then directly after that they talk about how they asked like the teenage like they gave IT like a teenage uh personality and asked to show where IT came from and I went to like spot model one or version one like to show them where it's like the I like walked IT over and show them that but that's what they said they didn't show IT but like that was well as like this feels like it's already thinking far too much for what IT is yes, typically like these videos, I feel like they are very choreographed and that's why I always like god. It's funny, but it's not really scary because they like pretty rehearsals for like to but if it's like making IT up on the flies and goes with tragic t that's a little bit yeah that that was a story. They told a lot of the stuff that showed like examples over and over again.
And I just reacting to things like he talks about, gone to this Q R code calibration sent like place. But based on the character I give IT IT called the Q R, could something different um then which is I go to the ot GPT figured that out. But yeah then when you see your robot walking around moving and we talk .
about anthropic ing uh these natural language processing models, and this is literally anthropoids y so yeah, and again, I would be scared in the at least robot actually, with giant botting arms and leg.
And these are like arguably the most advanced body kind of seeing around. So like when you said extra bot, that would be funny. Yes, when you says spotted at las come a little yeah, well.
yeah okay, well, you hopefully they don't kill people anyway looks, let's move on to our first topic yeah uh, so if you guys have I don't know if you guys have been private this, but the european like the E U, has been under um putting a lot of scrutiny on metal recent and they've having a lot of issues where they potentially can use their ad targeting in europe like at all OK. So awaited. They're trying to get around this. And this is specifically a generally around like kids in the way that like other targeted at kids, they decided that they are just going to offer a paid ad free model in europe that costs nine ninety nine year S A month yeah or .
I think it's like thirteen if you have to pay the apple .
and android tag. So pay through the top and it's like ten, thirteen if you pay on your phone. But every anyone uh Younger than eighteen, eight and Younger, i'll just get IT for free you so instead of just um instead of having to like deal with all the potential unification of going around specific types of laws, they're just going to like, not do add, not serve ads to any kids.
Yeah so rope only in europe and only in parts of europe because you said, uh, the U K. Is not included because it's post, it's definitely. So basically, the way of getting around advertizing is like we're going to offer the page of your model, which is at which, by the way, I think this is a little expensive, but any social media where you have to pay, you should get at free like right I camp twitter, add twitter blow um but so then you get ads if you don't pay free and then you basically are just if you're under eighteen, you're like premium version that at free and that's their way of not serving ads yes .
to eight because they're .
not targeting kids. Yeah yeah not targeting kids to actually put their real birthday, right? Yes.
which they have to legally assume that everyone actually .
does because we all yeah, if I looked at my facebook account prising some .
like ten years old than I actually yeah.
every kid does that. I'm, uhh, do you know there's also different if you're on facebook, instagram, if if you're under eighteen, does IT limit other things?
I don't think IT currently does. okay.
Um I just wanted to share a little antioch about that because when I started college in insert year, I started college, he was one of the first few years that tinder was around and tinder v one would not let you input your own age IT would take the age from your facebook profile so me and everyone I knew hinder profiles all said we were like fifty four because we light and slowly but surely, like all of us, correct our facebook ages and because of tender. So I actually feel like maybe there maybe there, at least for my exact if there are more.
I know you guys did back day when neopets was in a hay day at the time, you had to get a parent to, like, sign off on the fact that you could use IT if you're under a certain page. And because I was such a darn goody two shoes, instead of just lying about my age on neopets, I literally printed out a document that I had my mom sign that says, like, I certify that David can play neopets. And we mailed that the scoters like in the mail, actually, because I said I was like, I couldn't lie on the that you lie on the that the .
most adorable, I think i've ever heard.
So I unfortunately never, except for like when they may get really easy, like on steam. If you go to a certain game, it's like a verified age. You put any data, you hit OK, and I just show you the page.
How do those people not understand how many times you just like you grow really far down and then it's like there is no one ninety five that's playing eighteen.
seven, eight yes. Yeah this person on the point, do you think what .
are the chances now that people are going to do the opposite? They're like d hundred years I going to change my thing to make like i'm fourteen that was asking like I wouldn't be surprised under a counter, something that like or like private profiles only I thought I remembers something a while. I got something similar to that.
Yes, I can't imagine paying ten doors a month for instagram, facebook. There is also something in here that said, if you pay IT will be part of all of the accounts within account center um but that only to march twenty twenty four and then will be an extra six or eight eos per account. I don't think that matters really at all because no matter how many accounts you have, you usually only browsing under one account yes, with like ads and stuff like that. So you might have different accounts like I used one for mac, but I wasn't housing on maxim separate yeah that seems like a weird way to around some rules comply yeah i'm very interested in seeing .
what they actually limit if they limit anything. If you say that you're Younger because maybe i'm about to be sixteen.
you know well, how long before they have this in place and you're also seeing ads. So you're paying for IT anything that sounds like IT won't happen because of getting around this rule.
I mean, well, for eighteen .
year for a people here in the .
but you can pay like if you're over eighteen, you can pay to have no ads. That's the ten dollars a month but or ten years a month but like for example, twitter is thinking about doing multi high types of tears where you get like half the ads and then one of them is no ads, but it's way more expensive.
You're right now is approximately half ads, right? Yeah well but yeah, I guess this is similar to like what adam said where like netflix, who do they have cheap, are options with that are at supported. But those are things where you have to pay no matter what. There is no free version.
I don't know, I don't know. I think it's interesting that a lot of software is starting to go paid or at least software a paid model because for the longest time, pretty much all software was like, especially social media was free to use, but you pay with your data and it's one of those things where you you don't realize you're paying with your data yeah. And now that the governments are kind becoming privy to all the all the data that's being used and being collected about different people and especially about minors, everyone's trying these different models. But I just can't imagine all of the services that we use on, on a weekly basis paying ten dollars a month for every single one like that, just not something .
everyone's going to do. I personally can't fully expect that these companies aren't still full blown collecting data. The people who are paying anyways and just serving you ads like sure, i'm not getting the R I edge straight on, but like there's million other places you can get so that that i'm sure they can have A A like the facebook .
pixel that tracks here on the internet anyway yeah yeah you use facebook or instagram the tracking like all the other websites that you go to um so you know just because they don't show you IT on facebook and hints, gram doesn't are not still collecting and selling .
the data and I get IT that has they serve me a fantastic and I fall to them way .
more than other anything on instagram before like.
I mean, i've got in an ad and been like, oh, that potato on new jacket I really like is discounted and you go to, like, back country, whatever. This is a good Price. thanks. Yeah, no, IT gets me all the time.
I have never actually purchase anything from an instagram, but I will say that is really annoying if you like, look at one thing on the internet and then all of your ads and like instagram, everything or that because you think about buying and you're like, no. And then everything that you see for the next month is like.
but no, it's good. I am starting get all the baby stuff no, all my ads are just like baby strawyers and waggons and close you mart one a smart baby stroller roller maybe spot spot the dog and push ller smart seller sounds terrifying .
yeah i'm sure they have pardon inter story and stuff okay um let's move on to the next story about this new honor phone that has I tracking yes.
IT seems more than tracking IT looks like IT says opening apps with your .
eyes interesting.
Let's know what you always wanted in the phone. You didn't see the iphone fifty and thought this would be perfect.
I wonder if they looked at how the vision pro is being controlled. And they were like, people are going to get used to like opening things with their eyes and and selecting U I. Things with their eyes. So we should just get on the same train.
Possibly this is um so it's the honor. Six IT was announced and in the keino there is a very brief moment where IT essentially shows somebody holding up a phone. There is kind of a little I don't know what honor calls IT live activity, I think which is similar to like dynamic island, if you're not familiar with that. So this is little area to the .
the person looks at IT that expand .
similar to that demio islands and then they continue to look at IT. And then they kind of poles up a map of the hole. So IT looks like they're like an uber.
something like that. And then they saw the data of all the things they are looking at because they know if you're looking at and add and then they conserved you more often. Yeah.
for sure that the theme of this whole episode.
sad you I don't know .
about this, doesn't necessarily excite me how they're showing IT. Like, do I want to pull up a different page inside of a new rap? I could see this as like a quick class with something like live activity or dynamic island, where if I get a quick text message, I can just stare, add first, I show the .
whole text message. That's not terrible. It's not awful. But I still hate things tracking my redness.
I hate things tracking things outside of my phone like not just because they're tracking, but they generally are terrible.
Remember solely, yeah, yeah. He was off IT never worked. And then the L G.
N I D with .
the like being a magician.
yes. yeah.
So I was my life so bad.
Every time I would press escape key, my keyboard, which is where my wireless charger was with my thing, IT would be like, oh, it's going to pick me up. And then like, would like, like the phone up. And then I would look at IT in the face I do would unlock my phone and exactly yeah so that was that was just the worst I am not big on like exterior things being looked at and monitor by my phone because he just feels like there's so many ways that can falsely trigger yeah definitely .
that happens all the time um yeah well, we'll have to wait and see if we can actually get this device in because I want to see how that works and how good IT is a especially sense. The vision pros I tracking is so good, I think everyone else is going to try to compete with that. IT kind of looks like IT just has a regular front facing camera, though IT is interesting. Yeah, that can somehow track what direction.
really I guess, I mean, wasn't there a samsung phone years ago where IT essentially was watching your eyes? Just do not like if you are reading something for a long time.
I would like.
turn display off. Yeah, I wouldn't to sleep. IT was .
the galaxy. And remember, I .
was like, I yeah .
obviously .
worked so well that still .
in all the phones today IT .
probably .
is if you dig in the government.
remember.
has a, has a of nobody ever uses or even realizes the feature. So yeah, maybe we should taken little quick ad break, and then they will come back back to all the apple event, news of which there is a lot and we ve got a lot to talk about there. So kill the music. But first trivia. A before .
the music.
That's, oh, sorry, play the music. And member, this trivia, it's a trivium music. That's right.
That's right. Trivia, dude. okay. First question. What is the name of the Operating system that runs on honor phones? That we were just .
talking to use to know this. What do you know? IT? Now.
now that we were .
just talking.
no, we were just talking about not nope.
I go see the break.
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get your podcast, i'll walk back. This is proba the biggest story this week. We just had the scary fast apple event.
First apple event to happen during the night time, I believe happened A P. M. Eastern time, which is pretty weird. Tim could came out and he did say, good, good evening.
He did say.
good evening. However, no dracula costume, he didn't module his voice. He wasn't like good eve. He just said good evening, which is how he does every good morning i'm .
said sad and happy i'm got i'm glad he told the good evening, even though is the obvious mean buyer.
you guys know a lot about shoes because I don't. And people are making a big deal of the fact that he was wearing some black like shoes of some kind. They said, air force ones are this popular .
shoes .
to markets. Those no.
Are we.
I think, a reference to a video that came out four years ago on a channel that's hilarious called rtc world one. And in the video they talk about how people who wear black air force ones are crazy in such a way that if you ever fight them, they'll just massa cr you because they have nothing to lose. I believe that that's like the core joke of the video, is that if you're wearing those shoes, that just means your psychotic. It's like and violence.
Tim cook is party one of those guys that would be really friendly to me. And then I would accidently, like, spill some self on him at a family dinner and then he would destroy me. Anyway, it's on on the inter. inter. Yeah.
it's funny that I just saw these things. They were like, apple didn't ought to go this hard with like the dark apple park like, I mean, it's school that was in the at night, just the dark apple park yeah well, I guess we've driven around there before. Like what? And IT looks really cool, but like, everyone made IT seem like I was this set that's like, look at all spook. Like, good night.
I just good yes yeah. Like spooky music yeah.
for sure. No, I think they went into a well, the apples been pretty good at like having a slight me on top of some things like breaking the this year, all of IT, they do IT really well. So like that initial shot, where is back between the stairs? And like the nice lighting, everything, he was really awesome.
unlike that one. Plus add where he, like, walks into the other room and and he's unlike the arctic ict for five and then he .
turns around and walks .
back and transition is terribly no yeah .
yeah IT never makes more sense um I am am also said he was in in costume but good evening will sound by that for the rest of etern probably um yeah so it's got that it's still the A P M. East coast time felt really strange yeah we had some brand and author cus market is here. He went to the event to shoot some footage of IT. But like when we first saw that event invite at five P M P D T, we're like this makes no.
I do think it's kind of funny how even though there a west coast company, they sort of like orient everything for new york because like five P M is not dark yet there yeah but at the same time they can do eleven P M here .
you know I guess that is what they're trying to make is that it's a reasonable time sides because usually one out there, ten out there one so like it's still not a terrible time yeah um yeah that's that's this this whole event you're going to have to do you're going to do a lie here because generally when markets here you both are using apple silicon yeah i'm still using the only mac I uses my work computer yeah so I am like the as much as I think all the new apple look is and some of the easiest I think the macbook are, is one of the easiest laptops to recommend to people.
Yes, I don't use any apple service OK. So i'll be here. I'll be some my community relief maybe and some ask a bunch of questions just the outside of things but like this .
is out of my White house. Yeah so we got m3 M3 pro 和 M3 max。 Um it's silicon based on the a fifteen a seventeen pro processor in the iphone fifteen pro. And it's the first three three antimetric chip set for desktop um for apple silicon on I think in general, I think it's the first every three anomie chipset for a detox .
computer OK I know there is a very member, the first to that me pro .
so yeah m three eight core CPU ten or GPU up to twenty four gigs of RAM. We got m three pro which is eleven or twelve car CPU fourteen or eighteen core GPU up to thirty six gigs of RAM and then i'm three maks fourteen or sixteen core CPU thirty or forty four GPU and up to one hundred and twenty eight gigabytes .
ts of rams of a leap betwen that it's .
a lot throughout the entire o they were comparing IT mostly to the m one and I noticed this and the my first thought process was like, oh, that just makes the performance game seeing a lot Better, right? But at the same time, if you think about IT, they released m two in january of this year yeah or the m two macbook pros in january of this year. So it's only been ten months since him to now i've heard that all of the m two devices have been selling really badly. And the reason is because m one was so good exactly, and was such a big leap over the anything entire related that nobody wanted to buy an m two computer.
I think that's so important is like the jump from intel to so the apple silicon was so big that so many people are created, whether they needed the or not, that then so many people of new computers and the jump from I want them to.
but not so big and still I mean, there there's a more notice that yeah at the same time, like I spent five thousand dollars on a four tera I M one max sixty and macro o pro and I planned to have that basically until IT is probably going to be five to six years yeah even longer yeah.
You should have these computers for a while and I guess IT does make sense where you are saying like one to three is a bigger jump in in two. So maybe they can convince them to jump to IT, but like it's still feels like your m ones probably kick to ask compared to whatever you had before that yeah even to jumped and three and two years is like that's a lot money yeah yeah.
So they had some very nice, badly labelled graphs as usual course. Um but the kind of crux of this whole update is that they're able to do faster performance at the same power level. So they keep showing these graphs that would like they would push the power further than the previous one.
That was way higher. But at the same amount of power draw IT was like thirty percent, fifteen percent faster in in certain areas. So efficiency cores are three percent faster, and this is raided by them.
We're going to have to get these laptops and and actually test IT against them to. But apple rates the m three as ninety percent faster than m two for efficiently cores and fifty percent fashion than m one. The performance cores are rated at fifteen percent faster than two and thirty percent faster than one.
They added hardware based retracing and missing. There was a lot of conversation before the event about how this was going to be like very graphics and gaming focused. And they've really been pushing into the gaming, especially like three events in a row have been kind of gaming area like wwdc.
They released the um gaming porting tool kit for metal where all of a sudden all of these developers who are just making things for windows computers can now like really easily put their games to mac, which is really awesome. I don't know how much the industry has actually started doing that. Um I know alex is working on something around yeah he's .
been testing something.
So very curious to talk to him about that and see if games start moving over. I only really play data too. He's always been mac native, which is nice and IT already plays at one hundred twenty F S on the m one max macbook pro. So you um but they're making a big deal of something they're calling dynamic cashing. And I did a lot of research into this last night OK IT is sort of a black box that they don't really they haven't really talked about that much yeah um they say that IT is the largest ly forward in graphics architecture for apple silicon, which if you think about IT just means that IT take bigger leap than and one was ten to yes.
Can I also real quick and I I may as this and i'm completely wrong and misremembering, but the itemize cashing was essentially that is calculating the exact amount of memory you need for a specific program and only using .
that amount while making sure that the rest of similar yeah yeah .
I would I want to try to .
talk to apple about this because this seems like no one's gotten a clear answer um but from what I think that I know about how gp s work right now is like when you have a GPU and a application starts, the application will need various different types of memory to be running during that session, right? So IT allocates specific amount of memory to different to different data types to be able to like, oh, I need to load in a butcher of shatters for this game.
I need to load in a bug of this for this game. And IT stores all these things in memory because IT doesn't want to go to system memory because that takes a lot longer to fetch. Yeah, right? So theoretically, what this dynamic cashing thing is is, is constantly monitoring how much memory each data type needs so that IT can use like exactly the amount that IT needs, which freeze up that memory to be used for the rest of the machine. So I don't think that this is going to be as useful for like the one twenty eight, a bite of RAM model of this because you already have a ton of memory um but for like you know the egg model.
I can there's an .
egg yeah we will address that soon um but for the the models that have less actual like shared memory, IT could be more useful. Yes, sure. And they say that IT should significantly increase the performance in like graphics intensive applications and games. Very, very curious if that is actually the case.
I mean, that's also good because germany ally, the things that are pink memory. The hardest are graphs and applications, then good. And no, a lot of people are using apple products for like very like rendering or or design and stuff like like graphic intensive program.
So the reason I want to take all of this with the grain of salt is because I also found something from last year where someone was saying that the m one and m two base machines basically had an architecture problem that was making the amount of memory that they could like store in memory, and not before they had to go to system memory not as high as they could be or something or IT was being really inefficient with that OK.
And they were were saying that I was like an architecture issue um and we can throw up, we can put the tweet IT was like a tweet storm that we can put in the tweet storm yeah and so now I would like to talk to apple about they're probably give me around. They'll just repeat my question and then say they're committed to performance or whatever. But I think in the next week or two, you're probably going to see people actually into what this actually means and how many changes that is, how much is actually changes um the way the machine performs. Be really nice if there was significant.
especially yes.
especially in thirty, leaning harder into gaming and that kind of stuff for sure. So they'll be really great. Um the sdr uh on each other of the displays now is to go to six hundred minutes instead of five hundred.
okay. So previously these devices obviously could hit peak brightness of a lot higher. But for stand standard dim c range content, IT was getting to five hundred, now pushes to six hundred.
So good battery life is theoretically improved across the board by about an hour, which is just processed drinking from um foreign iee to three or was at five I think for i'm not sure either four or five, two, three anyway Better Better three. So an hour of Better battery life pretty across the board. Now weirdly is another a thing a lot of people are talking about. They were do the memory band with on most of the machines, which is confusing.
and say, if you have to use the term, most of the machines IT feels super apple, but also is like intently confusing. And I don't know why this .
keeps happen. Yeah so they they reduced the memory band with on the three pro from two hundred gig bites to one hundred and fifty five bites per second OK, which is strange. And then on the there are two models of the m3 max with different， different amounts of different speeds OK. One of them goes down to three hundred bigger bites per second from four hundred, and one of stays at four hundred, the six per second.
Okay, you think the m two, the m two max always is for.
so the the m two pro always had two hundred and m two max always had four hundred.
And now we have multiple versions of both three.
For m three pro we only have one fifty o oh oh but from the max we have three hundred and four hundred OK yeah to me that says being like IT mean to me that says that they weren't able to get certain sica hit those speeds. So they decided to sell them .
at a lower prize. This wasn't there. What was IT? There was, uh, like storage be different on a either a macbook or a oh yeah .
IT was like a few years ago was the thirteen inch macbook pro that if you got the if you got the one hundred twenty eight gaby model, IT was half as fast as the two and fifty six and the reason is because they used one twenty eight gig about dims. And for the two fifty six model, they just use two dims, which could be read in, written in parallel and that's why they were .
yet it's one of the things where I get there is like hardart issues and all of that, but it's just super confusing when that doesn't get labelled very well and you're buying ultimately same thing which feels like and a small upgrade. But really that upgrade is yeah what you think and you're actually gaining or losing performance, something don't expect to gain or mance is not very transparent exactly. Anything nothing about the internal of any apple device is feel changes.
There's A A lot of weird stuff this year when you go to configure your macbook. We're like if you can figure certain models, you can have the ninety six giggs of them, but you can have the one twenty eight RAM. And I think it's just in the way that they um that they group memory together OK, but it's they're still like a lot of different models of this. And that kind of feels like they're trying to push people told the more expensive options because again, like the m three pro maxes out at thirty six gig bites of memory, whether the m three max max at one hundred twenty eight rates like that's a huge difference. A so it's not just two x.
It's like for x. It's that latter short that we talked about this very quickly like all man, but this is only x amount more expensive. But look at how much more i'm getting out and then you step up to that. You like all. But then I need to add this.
Yes, I think this year, if you completely max at the machine, it's like seventy two hundred dollars, sixteen, sixteen and eight terabytes, eight terabytes of storage, one twenty eight good bites of shared memory. That's more forty gg bites. So more GPU. Yeah, it's more sense because because they have more memory now. Theyve got up to one twenty eight .
memory now I posed ninety .
yeah but ellis, don't worry, because now we we're going to talk about the mp prose, the fourteen and now does start at fifty ninety nine, which is cheaper than last year.
We however, that point yeah you know it's crazy, is like IT seemed like two hundred dollars is the the tea step in the per step. So if you go two hundred dollars under that sixteen hundred dollar macbook pro, you know you get the fourteen hundred dollar exact same spect macbook air without any of the the ports or anything. They even put that one exactly two hundred dollars below. It's not even the same computer they they .
they are doing.
But to explain why it's cheaper is just because this year they are making a base and three chip macbook problem was no m to this model right?
Yeah they they yeah well, for the well, okay, look, for the last two years they had the thirteenth. Make proper a touch bar.
And who wants adam .
like your hand down? I will die on this hill in the .
bar was amazing. They messed up when they replaced the function role with IT. If they had a function room in the keyboard and the toucher had been sick.
the touch bar was the biggest problem with the touch bar was that I would crash all the time and I had your function keys on IT.
Yeah, that's what I mean, if they didn't put the function here, yeah, who cares? I agree.
I agree that would be fine and and the tech was not a bad idea. IT was kind of a good idea. But ah they kind of mess up with putting the .
function saying you it'll be back in five years just like all the ports in every and the S T card slide like that will be the upgraded macbook pro in a few years.
So they got rid of the thirteen and instead they are now offering the same almost the same chase is not actually the same chessel of the fourteen inch uh, starting at fifty ninety nine with the base and three chip. But they did take away a thero three parts and I only have two thunder, about three reports instead of three.
But that's what like what i'm getting out is for two hundred dollars less, you can get the exact same spect macbook air that will almost definitely perform exactly the .
same right well, time to .
the o yes.
there's not. Yeah.
which is kind of something we talked about. I feel like last week, just like the timing of all of things being release is very strange. We're not getting air will get like mayor .
he didn't the air come out before the prose for m two. I thought the air came out. Yeah .
think the m2 macbook AI came out in .
july and I just held didn't even get m mac mini。
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also seems really weird idea. But i'm very interested to think if we think more things will be released by the end of the year.
And but that's .
a good point. Like there was no mac mini or mac. The mac mini 和 mac studio came out at the same time last year， right? Um I don't .
think so. I think the man, oh, you mean for m two yeah this is so confusing. The mac mini was first for m one in the mac studio came out with the mac of prose, I think for m one.
And I thought when the max idio came out, there was also like, I don't know, and somebody was january twenty, twenty three, the mac mini was that was what was with the mac pro. yeah. And two mac mini .
come out around .
the same time. M, two imac, i'm kidding. By the way, there wasn't M I. Nobody even flinched. O apple, let's real back in.
Yes, I think apples also a bit confused.
Yeah apple, o where we get to anyway .
yeah so only two hundred, about three reports instead of three and they can only still can only run one external display um which is sad yeah that is up to six case sixty hearts. But you're going to have to get the pro if you want to run two displays in the max if you want to run OK yeah yeah now we also have the space black chessy yes, that I need to see in person, because personally, people are taking photos of IT. They had, like, a little event that they like, let youtube ors go to stuff. And the photos that I saw made IT not look nearly as black as I think that I could have been.
Leave IT to apple to have like a color that's not the color you expected and presumably twelve different variations of that covered cover later on down the line. Yeah, there's also no black chai available in the best max.
I think they are doing this because they want people that would go out and say, I have the new expensive thing. Yeah they either usually either do that in terms of shape or an in color.
Yeah, I think alex is saying me that I wasn't one of the original or one of the older mac books. There is a way black version that was the high version yeah.
but that black option was .
really black. I like .
actually get the sentencing how IT looks.
One thing with the new black check that we noticed there is a new max ive cable, but they actually made the U. S, B, C, port of IT, black to match at the rest. Every other one in the put in the past was they at the magi part.
But the other end of the U. S, B, C was White. And I looked .
terrible macc .
air max, I was like, star had matching the, except for the end aco black jc has a black mag safe with black use. Nice, beautiful up. Yeah, Marcus isn't here today. He probably would say something like, yeah, that's sick. He's pumped about the black version is what he would say in this point right now.
Yeah yeah I so yeah, I think that's about IT. They're available for priority um now and we're definitely to get testing them and how the reviews out pretty soon. But until then.
do you know did markets ever switch to the m2 macbook pro？ I'm using an m right. He's using the m one.
I think he's using an m one for his personal computer. He didn't upgrade and then but he's using the m ultra max studio for his yeah for his work computer .
so he might actually upgrade, which I just think is an interesting thing from last year where like these upgrades, like we mentioned before, they are nice, but they are almost not worthy if you have one before. So I could see him finally going to three for this one to get that bub yeah if I get markets stays on a year older model and doesn't are the best thing possible means not a lot of like .
a lot of these companies have the technology already planned ahead of time by like four to five years, but they just trickle IT out because how all the making money and Normally you know if you take like intel for example, usually there performance gains are like it's like five percent a year, seven percent a year. Better, Better, Better, Better. That way.
People always have reasons to like know they are itching to like get the latest thing, but then they jump from intel to m one was just so much that everyone nobody is seeing any performance issues even with their m one machine. So it's like if you don't actually have a reason upgrade and like why would you spend another five grand on a computer? I feel like it's .
IT reminds me of when in video made the jump from the twenty series to the thirty series card, where the thirty series was like a crazy, crazy jump and so many people, nobody cared not nobody cared about the forty series. But IT clearly did not make the headlines. People weren't rushing to try and buy one immediately. So like you, every time you make a big jump, the year after is .
generally gonna. Yeah slower. Yeah totally. So maybe that's what up with this weird timing stuff for when they are releasing these. They definitely were comparing everything. I'm through your related directly to m one trying to get people to be like it's thirty percent and IT is significant um but I can be as as significant as IT wants but if you are not having .
problems with their m one in .
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things to talk about from the l .
um and three imac did come out. There is no imac pro unfortunately. Um but basically I mean it's an imac with an m three chip and IT. Let's so sick now you can have an m three on your kitchen counter.
nice. Yep, A C, C, P, U, up to ten core G, P, U up to twenty four. Get about the RAM up to two terrors of storage productivity apps like a far or excel should run up to thirty percent faster.
Photoshop process photo extra times faster. Yeah, no, be weird. Metric up to twelve video streams that for k resolution they did add wife I sexy and point three good. That isn't the substrates. Nice starts at twelve ninety nine no, I mac pro, and the .
biggest announcement, still lighting, accessories.
ies. And roll the clip.
I can play the clip if you ship in you. I M, you can't ship us.
Hyer here, here, right? He can, he can.
But come on. So we were right on that one .
until I think more out IT.
No yeah I guess .
um so yes, still like accessory. I still liked your reasoning. I think you said that the last week where I think you are mentioning something else being the way to get rid of excessive stuff. I think this imac, the imac is going to be the way they get rid of all of their lightning stuff for the next couple years. Yeah, it's gone.
yeah. Either that or they just, you know, the E U. Didn't make them get rid of lightning on on the phone.
And yet, what do you think they are gonna replace anything else this year? I think it's our november. I doubt .
you think an ipad .
they could, I guess. But I heard that the big ipad change was coming next year.
So I guess here's my other question. Last year or this year, we got some weird like january stuff that we think was potentially just push back from fall. Do you think that's where ipad wines up? IT? Seems like there's why are they releasing an apple pencil or three weeks ago and we're not going to any ipad change.
That's a great point, right? Like so yeah kind of a feels like they should have released at alongside a new baseline ipad. Yeah yeah I I won't be .
surprised if in november we see something um like .
a Price release.
Yeah like remember that one time they just kind of had like a week where they release like one thing kind of every day. I would not be for the year again start of next year. I don't know if that's going to be like an ipad mate seems to make the most sense.
But yeah, there's no make any there's no max studio. Yeah something along those lines. I feel like it's going to come here. Isn't the rumors of like that potential different X, D, R display the and that doesn't really fit in the like early summer light? Yes, that would come out.
Yeah no many seems like a really big overside IT. Maybe they can rap up production fast enough. And they were just like picking what they could sell. I having a baseline mac mini being able to know if the graphics are actually that much Better, that seems like an obvious choice there.
There is such an easy like little desktop to computer to recommend. I mean, if you're not, if someone really doesn't want a laptop, yeah, I think the other big thing from this whole event was the B. T. S. We saw after and kind of the end of IT that everyone was onder ing about, which was that the whole thing was shot on iphone yeah which.
And so not only .
that was shot on iphone, because we've seen multiple different companies to this before. I remember in I think IT was early twenty twenty. There was A A samsung event and they were holding these like boxes shooting IT.
I lead to market like there. This whole thing was shot on the galaxy, I bet. yeah. And then a lot of company I started doing that. Yeah, this is the first time apple's done an event shop.
And I think so yeah, they this was slightly different than the way that other companies do. IT was just kind of nice because most other companies, when they do the shot, they attarian and lens. So it's like cinema glass that goes that or like they're have they won't even have the lenses on the camera. And to be directive .
sensor we did we did a video on this a long, long time ago called like dope tech shooting on smart phones were mark got to see a little bit of the behind the scene of a samsung shooting something um and I think I was on like our c car and I did have those lands attachments. So apple releasing this did see that. And now why they didn't have lenses, they still obviously had in crazy production areas with lights and all that stuff, which is really good.
That's not what even about you know that a conversion line about like oh, sure they shot on iphone but they're using like hundred ten thousand dollar lights and it's like, yeah but still does ever get thing yeah .
I mean it's it's still you can IT can be impressive and I can still be something so far out of the remote like what a consumers ever going. I think we've talked about stuff like this when they were doing um what was the the like portrait mode sweat like rack focusing .
in video talking about .
me there of this is a cool little thing consumers are going to get, but the scenario that they're showing are basically and they're never going to happen. And this is similar where it's impressed that, that happens, but most people are not going to have giant sky panel and robotic arms and stuff like yeah but I was extremely .
impressive yeah I nobody even buying tonight until the very end of the keynote. T that just had a little blab that was just like this event was shot on iphone.
If you can finish IT and people say, I don't believe IT and then you throw the receipt out there even with all the crazy production like around this is still super impressive. I also need to look at this. But I saw something quickly this morning before we came in here that someone mentioned some of the programs they were using and there were premiere and um I figured the other program right but there were not IT was not final cut interest because like a kind of goes through the B S. People using .
there is the black .
magic yeah that was the APP in there and I don't maybe they were also so which was, they don't know you follow focus through a camera, I didn't you which .
is really, yeah yeah. The whole production was wild. I think that this was like so they immediately, they meant to the next day released A B, T, S. For the excEllent publish on youtube and and immediately took IT down but a ton of people just like ripped, oh, they knew what they were doing, right? Because at the very Angel and tiny letters, it's like this event was shot on iphone. I think they knew people are going to freak out because they already had this whole behind the scenes of did this being ready for the next day. Um so they're kind of play in the media little bit there.
So smart. And I mean, like the the video itself, you can look at IT as a thing if you want of people, of the people think like, oh, when I got this, I was like, wow, was this really iphone footage? But like you're shooting, they obviously made all these changes this year to be able to shoot in log and shoot straight onto hard drives with U. S, B, C, and and they were kind of showcasing that a .
little bit in the B T stuff.
S, yes. And you can make, like, listen, if you do that and you're doing your own color correcting and have great lights and and a good studios pot and a good gambol. So everything is study .
over apple part and like not .
only low light but low light with really bright light that's coming in like yeah camera struggle yeah .
I think a lot of notes, good.
cool, glad things. Honestly though, I want to see the behind the scenes of how they shoot stuff with actual cameras. Their mark is dying to know how they like mike up, tim cook in the middle .
of like apple park.
So yeah as production side of like stuff .
like total totally right. I think that's all for the apple event. We do have one little uh other quick note.
There was an AI executive order that was signed by the White house in states recently. The order was quite vogue. It's very long um but IT is still very big in a lot of ways. Uh, the key takeaway that IT covers are that companies need to conduct safety tasks of how is safe the AI models are and share this with the government.
If those tests return concerning results, the government can force these companies to fix their programmes, platforms that they are running the armanos on or just abandon their projects, which is strange new standards for air industry norms. They want to codify water Marks to a customers of a generated products which will not work. Um someone to the content credentials that we talked about on the studio channel l recently with the like a mlp video.
Or you can do a lot of things to try to create waterMarks, to look, embed meta data, do all this stuff. But at the end of the day, people just going to like screen shot stuff, they're going to strip IT. somehow. There are multiple companies like google that are like embedding hidden water Marks into things that you can even see into like A I model so that you could put IT through a programme that would just instantly know. So maybe a screen shot image but also know that.
yeah, I don't know how you do that, because any watermark that's gonna actively prove that something is fake is going to completely .
destroy the image.
Essentially the, I don't know how much an embedded waterMarks gonna help the general public.
There was, gosh, I heard about this thing where you can like that there's like this team of researchers at this university that are creating like they're poisoning AI images somehow by like injecting a certain amount of pixel in certain areas that will mess up like if you use them to generate other images, IT will mess up the I image generators and making them make something totally different yeah okay, there's a lot of red teaming going on right now. And like the AI image generation space, which is really interesting um other stuff that though I have scotists ying biomedical companies need to take additional precautions when using A I to .
help make medicine reason I don't know enough about in there but like yes, I would always like medical fields .
to take A I heard the a is like revolutionizing drug manufacturing because now um I mean google has been doing this for a while with all of these different by biome start things. But you can like you can just generate a protein structure that you need to fix a certain disease. And that said, you know, when something is generated and generated a ee, we shouldn't take anything for granted. And just like take both.
like that's the real life .
inclined of like maybe be a little bit careful, ward dinner to be I um and then government agencies are also going to face much stricter scrutiny when using any platforms.
Yeah I I hope so. This is a like people judging themselves on things are like so I the government telling the government to be careful is always like.
yeah I also think that in the end, at the end of the day, a lot of the biggest innovation from any technology happens in garage and that's not a company, right? okay. yeah. Like these .
precautions ons.
like all of these things that the governments forcing these companies to do, only pertains to like these big companies. But anyone can mess around with these AI models by themselves that they have the compute power in their garage, and they are not being monitored by the government. No way. So IT, maybe how Better to know is I think we mostly wanted .
to talk about IT quickly just because seeing an executive order come from the government means A I is obviously exploiting, which we've been seeing, and it's exploding to the point where we're hoping to find ways to be safer with IT. And if if we're getting an executive order, that means were in the miss of something super important.
Yeah and remember that ChatGPT only came out in on november third of twenty twenty two, which was less than a year ago.
and it's already getting essential executive voters from the White house. Yeah yeah. So I mean, they the first .
two hundred million users before threads. So they got there. They got there in like one month where threats s got there in five days.
So yeah, there is the first apple, the fastest application, million yul. Yeah, crazy. All right. And with that, I think let's take a trivial.
Right, quick update on the score. Mark and David still tied at eleven. Andrew, it's nine with nine. Nice one .
class.
So i'm gonna try and call or face time markets later to get your answer for this. But in the meantime, what is the name of the Operating system that runs on on our phones? Take your time.
Before we get to the answer this question last night, I was hanging out with my girlfriend and somehow wow pending got .
brought up penguins .
and SHE was like, you know, like linus and .
I was like, no, why? That's a link. SHE was like.
yeah, linus is A, I was like.
what are you? Linus.
like the computer thing?
I was like the linux pay lions. Well, linux was made by linus, travelled as as a name. His name is linus. SHE actually knew more about this.
Schole, yeah.
if you search a linux on linear, either the guy that made .
linux or our .
linus .
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my linus tour volts to I magic .
U I such cause I just put .
honey day. Of the cast pic, you come in close. Awesome, my god. Because they have, they have the on our magic phones. And I thought that those were like the first one to use that or something I don't know.
I know nothing about on our phones. Well, in your defense, they're not sold here, but also not in new defense. We do get some every so we alright.
next question.
cool. Next question, early players in the web game, OK, cupid and Spark.
note this question how what's .
in common?
Early players in the web game.
I have a terrible no.
I don't know.
I. I thought same founder.
I want attempted to say same founder.
that is correct.
Ow, and I sand, what do you got?
I could not.
I put that they're .
both White combinator company. I think they .
both predate y combinator. But let's double check out your wrong side that brings Andrew, you're now up to ten points.
nice.
Let's go. Let's hope mark is wrong. He's gonna .
make I don't know you well again. Next week, I want to take back my take on the GTR not being a track car. IT was properly educated in the comments section.
Now then form thoroughly about the history of the GTR. How do IT was a track car? And so the action, and that I got a point to one .
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lead as .
maria markets .
is a possible delta of two here, putting him in between second and first place until the trivia points shrouding anger's box of this podcast has been open.
I like the same founder thing was kind of obvious.
Well, you didn't .
get IT .
s well, that's all we got for you for this week ah makes you stating for next week, i'm sure there will be more stuff coming up very, very soon. We're going rounding out the year here. We only got two more months officially.
This like everyone kind of needed everything to be out before key for time right now, before Christmas. Are we q for either? Pretty much now they cut off.
yes. So keep in touch with wave for keep on and keep listening. And we'll see all the people of the internet probably won't see you actually because we just look at cameras and you will look at our faces.
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