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They just smash Xbox inside of an existing product like ROG Xbox ally. You just described the whole Microsoft strategy for the last decade. What if they did MacBook Xbox Pro?

That would go nuts. That would go so hard. MKXboxHD.

Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. So last week, we talked a lot about the thing that happened that week, which was WWDC. And we talked for our entire time, which means all the rest of the stuff that we didn't get to talk about, now we can talk about it. Right. It's a good time. So we've got some old news we missed last week. We've got Xbox speculations, a new Fuji camera, a Fediverse corner, of course. And we have some thoughts about some new YouTube features. But first...

The biggest news of them all, the elephant in the room that just barely, barely got eclipsed by WWDC, which was the headlines that I read that Instagram may be launching an iPad app this year. I believe it when I see it.

It could happen. Where's the horn soundboard? Yeah, I was hearing that. Oh, yeah. We'll believe it when we see it. Because they did launch a WhatsApp for iPad, and that is a meta property that we also never thought would get an iPad app, and so now here we are. Yeah, but Instagram is a small team, you know? Lean, yeah. I did just Google it recently.

literally tens of thousands of people 20 000 20 000 just on instagram just on instagram lean team holy hell but you know that's it's maybe coming 20 000 the app updates like twice a year that's like a small city speaking of what those 20 000 people are doing have

Maybe this is just a me problem. I feel like part of this pod is what issues is Andrew having? But my Instagram is cooked. There are so many issues. I like how we have like a David Federer's corner and an Andrew tech support corner. I've been having three main issues on Instagram and I want to see if any of you are experiencing them. One, when I try and send a reel, do you know how like it pops up all the profile pictures and names to send it to? A third of those pictures don't load. They're just blank.

Okay. Kind of annoying. Not too bad. I don't have that problem. Yeah, let me try. I've been having another one recently where reels just play half the video and then pause. Oh, I have that all the time. Yeah. Okay. That's been- That happens all the time. Really? That's the most annoying? So you're really annoying. Like I'll just swipe to a reel and I'll just play a quarter to half of it and then stop. That's only ever happened to me when I have a crappy internet connection. No. No, it happens at my house. Yeah. All the time. Yeah. Okay.

This one is the least annoying but the most annoying because of how simple it seems like every third Do you know like in a real the bottom left corner is their username and profile picture? Yeah, that profile picture is like completely blown out and almost impossible to see like Exposure through the roof and then you click on their profile and it's totally normal I think I posted one in slack somewhere have not had that problem But I think it would be fun

to enjoy that is the weirdest one i think it's the weirdest one i like the chaos bring on the chaos um it's kind of good that the reels just pause in the middle of them because then you wake up from your like trance and then you go outside it's a feature it's a feature not a bug they're like you want to stop you should probably stop it's like how when you're it should pause and then open the selfie camera look at yourself right now your eyes so bloodshot this is what it looks like

Do you see that? That's awesome. Yeah. Super boring. Every third image is just, we'll put it on the screen, but yeah, just like totally exposure slider all the way up. Yeah. And the rest of it is, yeah, normal. And everything else is normal. The video, when you go to the profile, totally normal. I have a, speaking of HDR.

My friend who works at Apple, he in the new iOS beta, he added a feature that lets you do HDR, not screenshots, but HDR screen recordings. And he was like, hey, go check out this setting in your phone. And I did. And I was like, oh, no. And I was like, I love you. But I

I already, my eyes already bleed when I see random HDR content on Instagram. So I'm not sure I want to be like sending HDR videos to people or HDR screen recordings to people. You know what I mean? I feel like HDR around here has turned into a way for us to troll each other instead of actually using it. I'm just under my covers at night like,

Oh, someone reacts with our HDR emoji. That is my least favorite one. Yeah. Yeah. Um, on top of the story as well, I just wanted to make a note that Megan Fox is a real person. She did email me, uh, after we mentioned that she emailed me first before and she said, yes, I am a real person. So shout out to Megan. Wait, Megan, email me.

I think, sorry, keep going. Okay.

Why did she email you again? Because she thought it was funny that I was like, is she real? Is it like Megan Fox? Or is it coincidentally someone named Megan Fox? Do you think Megan Fox from Transformers would be doing PR for Beeper? I don't think she'd be doing PR for Beeper, but I do totally see Beeper as the kind of company to be like, how do we get people interested in the Feneverse? How much money can we give Megan Fox? Beeper's not a Feneverse app. Oh, right. It's the like multi-texting. Oh, it's the woof.

Yeah. I still don't know if Megan Fox from Transformers 1 would be interested in doing beeper PR. That's what I thought. I thought it was Megan Fox got paid to do a beeper thing and it sent out an email quote from Megan Fox. Yeah, that's true. That is a good way to get...

tech reporters to open their email. Oh, it's to be named Megan Fox? It's from, okay. I didn't think she was doing PR. I just thought that Megan Fox from Transformers 1 emailed David and Mel. That's also what I thought. That's a possibility. Just straight up. Honestly, I've had weird experiences. It's actually still what I think. We all thought that.

Okay. I currently still think that. Okay. Yeah. All right. Although the other Megan Fox that emailed you was pretty cool. She was really cool. I felt really, I felt bad because I think when people have common names like that, they probably get made fun of all the time. Well, this section's not helping that. Not at all. But thank you, Megan. But thank you, Megan. You're a real one. Okay. Moving on.

To the Fediverse corner. All right. There was some Threads Fediverse news this week. I don't know if any of you guys that are watching this use Threads or care about the Fediverse, but I'm going to tell you anyway. So they introduced some new features where now there is a dedicated Fediverse feed on Threads, which is actually quite good. Very cool. Yeah. I'm curious about this. So is it the same way you can make a list of...

currently on threads will just be a Fediverse feed? - So on desktop, on threads right now, you can show multiple feeds at the same time. What I have it set up as is the For You feed and the Following feed, because I want to be able to just scroll my following list most of the time and also For You. You can set one of those to just Fediverse follows. - Oh, interesting, okay. - So you can follow accounts from Flipboard.social or Mastodon.social or whatever, and then all of those posts show up in one feed.

And the reason that that is like good and kind of interesting is like, for example, Ghost, which is a publishing platform, is also on ActivityPub, which means if you want to like read articles, you could use threads to read articles, which is interesting. Hmm.

I just opened threads just because while you were talking about it and mine is extremely broken right now where basically they're there everyone's name and profile picture is correct but then the text and content of their post is something else and it'll all just be the same as the one before it so my top post is Adam Masseri saying we're testing a way to hide spoilers and threads and the next is a random post of like the WNBA fight last night there was a fight yeah and the caption is we're testing way for you to hide spoilers and threads and

And then it's David Amell posting, saying, it's just been about a year since Thread started the Fediverse integration. And then the next post is, we're testing away behind spoilers and threads. Then it's Jono posting, then there's a random person saying, I love Caitlin Clark getting bumped and shoved to the floor by Marina Mabry.

And then the next post is Jono with a picture of you are here right before World War III. And it says, I love Caitlin Clark getting bumped and shoved to the floor. And then it's an AUDL post also saying, I love Caitlin Clark getting shoved to the floor. And then another person saying, I love Caitlin Clark getting shoved to the floor. And then another person saying, I love Caitlin Clark getting shoved to the floor. And then YouTube saying, I love Caitlin Clark getting shoved to the floor. And then another random person is just like... They're a lean team, okay? This is so broken right now. The best part about it is it's got all the correct media.

So it yeah, it's being changed with the media sex the same makes the so much better Well, if you were on the Fediverse feed, you'd probably see the same thing when they find that but the barrel out already So yeah rolled out I have it now. It's great So that what I was saying is like the kind of the nice thing about that is like if you follow a ghost publication When people publish on ghost which is like their website it will also show up on your Fediverse feed if you follow that on the Fediverse and

So now you can basically, it's kind of like an RSS reader in a way for a lot of things. I miss those. Yeah. It's frustrating because you still can't interact really past lightning. That was my next question. So if you want, I interviewed Peter Cottle, who is the head of the Fediverse integration at Threads yesterday as of time of recording in a thread, which is a horrible way to interview people, I will say, because Threads- Wait, wait, wait.

You interviewed him in replies to a thread?

prioritizes top-level like the top-level post and like the top comments but anything under that like does not come through very easily tried to thread the whole interview but so we threaded the whole interview in it it's really hard to find you think someone at threads would have realized that probably wasn't a great idea yeah

Sorry. I had to derail that. That's just crazy. I agree with you. So anyway, but if you do want to see that interview, you can go see it. I'll have it added and put it in the show notes. No, I won't. He won't put it in the show notes. My...

Mine's broken also because right now looking at David Amell's profile is pinned comment. Lately I've noticed companies smashing so I made a new video every single post after this. Oh my gosh. New video from me with the same text. I will say if this is, wow. It's all the same post. Wow, does everyone have the same bug right now? I guess so. That's kind of dope. All right, well if this was because of the Fediverse integration then I'm glad for you but also I'm sorry that happened.

Anyway, yeah, that happened. So now you can follow all your Fediverse people in one small thing. Basically, you can silo them so that you never have to hear about it again for me, unless you want to.

And that's all I have to say on that. The actual Fediverse corner. I think we do need a real Fediverse corner here with like the pins and red string connecting everything. The actual Fediverse corner. And it just slowly grows as we do it. That'd be fun. We could probably find a corner. As more people federate, we can grow the corner. Until it's just a tangle of red yarn. Slowly it will not be a corner anymore. Slowly it will be the Fediverse office. That's my goal. Nice. Federate. Next up.

We have a new Xbox handheld sort of. Which we're really late on now. So what I wrote here is actually a little different than that. But we can start with that, the ROG ally. The ROG Xbox ally. It's like, they just smash Xbox inside of an existing product. Like, ROG Xbox ally. You just described the whole Microsoft strategy for the last decade. What if they did MacBook Xbox Pro? That would go nuts. That would go so hard. Okay.

MKXboxHD. So I haven't watched too much about the new ROG Xbox Alli X, but not only did they do it with the name, that's pretty much what the device is. It is a ROG Alli X. Switch Xbox 2. Nintendo Switch Xbox 2. Switch Xbox 5 has all three in there. Okay, continue. That's okay. They pretty much did it with the name and the actual console because it's an ROG Alli X Switch.

slightly upgraded and the you know where you hold it is more like a real xbox controller including i believe on the ally xbox ally x not the xbox ally because there are there's two tiers of them the higher tier has like the responsive triggers or whatever um why i posted this though is actually a teaser that the xbox ceo posted recently about their next gen consoles that a lot of people are speculating off of that i thought was pretty interesting um so the main thing they did was

They were announcing they're continuing their partnership with AMD for new consoles. The X and S were already using AMD, so it's nothing that interesting in that sense. But in that, they said a couple of things. Well, first of all, they said they're also going to use the power of AI to enhance graphics. I think they're the last home console that's kind of like jumping on the AI bandwagon. I think we all expected that. Yeah, my Nintendo Switch 2 definitely has so much AI in it. All that AI. I mean, it has upscaling. AI upscaling? It is AI upscaling.

There's a lot of companies that would call that AI. It's all AI, baby. Oops, all AI. But one of the main things they said is, one, she announced that they were going to be making the new chips to bring the next-gen Xbox to your living room and to your hands, which kind of sounds like, since this just came out, maybe they're doing a first-party handheld? Yeah.

Everyone's like, the Switch 2. We need a competitor so bad. I mean, PlayStation did one, right? Sort of. It was kind of that streaming one. Yeah, the PlayStation Portal. Yeah. So I'm not really sure about that. But then there was a statement. There's a statement at the end of the video that everybody is really speculating on. They said, delivering you the Xbox experience not locked to a single store or tied to one device. That's why we're working closely with the Windows team to ensure that Windows is the number one platform for gaming.

A little weird the Xbox CEO is saying Windows is the number one. They are owned by Microsoft. I still think it's strange that Xbox is saying that. But not being tied to a single store or one device, everyone's hoping that this means the new Xbox is basically a toned down Windows platform that can run Steam and Epic Games Store. Which could be really sick if your Xbox and or Xbox handheld device

Is running Steam games. The dream of the Steam PC is alive and well, I see. Yeah, the hybrid PC console. I also got to say, so Dave2D did a video recently. There was a Lenovo Legion handheld device that had originally run Windows, and it was not good. And then they released a Steam OS version.

That was much better. It got a much higher frame rate and cooled better and everything. And that was all because it was running SteamOS instead of Windows. And the whole thing was like, oh, Windows was the problem all along. Banger title. Yeah. Is this really a good idea? Maybe if they're focusing more on it.

And creating it into, I mean, I guess it's not only the hand-on. I think more people are excited about an Xbox console being able to play Steam games, which is a speculation also. That'd be great. That would be awesome. But also then what would be the value of the Xbox store? You know what I mean? Well, it still has, there's still Xbox exclusive games that aren't on Steam. So you have both. You just have more choices now. That's about all we have because we are definitely not the bastions of console games. Yeah, we're not the gaming, except for the Nintendo Switch 2.

Everyone comes to us for Nintendo Switch 2 news. I want to do a, just planting the seed for the future. I'm reading about this AI upscaling DLSS stuff right now, and I'm kind of curious. Like the whole idea that like you load lower resolution files into your memory to save motherboard bandwidth, knowing that your GPU can upscale them with machine learning when they become like close to the player. Like that doesn't make sense to me. Like how can a,

How can a graphics card be that fast that it beats out motherboard bus? Well, I think it's like memory read speed. You know, like scaling is faster than loading higher resolution assets or something. I know. But doesn't that just feel wrong coming out of your mouth? I don't know. I mean, maybe it's just me. You either just don't think either of us know enough about this. You either just said something remarkable or someone listening to this is like,

What an idiot. No, I mean, I'm sure it is what an idiot, but at the same time, just think about it. Like the idea that like, like as someone who has messed around with a bunch of these, I granted not on like a dedicated chip, but I've messed around with a bunch of these AI upscaling things and they're not, I, you know, they're not exactly lean. Again, I'm not doing it on a dedicated chip. And,

And the idea, you know, we're doing this on a Mac studio, which is essentially a big giant bus city, you know, with these like super fast memory read and write speeds and buses between everything. So I'm just like, damn, were we really at that place where it's more efficient? I know that a lot of the drama around the new NVIDIA cards was that they're not actually that much faster. They just did a lot more AI upscaling. Well, either way, if you are the kind of person watching this who knows how stupid what I just said is.

Write to me and we'll talk about it. You're going to get tweeted out a lot this week. I love it. Yeah. Good. If I had to guess without getting piled on by how wrong I am. We're all going to get piled on. Everyone get your fingers ready to type. It's not that it's just, you know, like one chip doing all of the upscaling. It's one chip that's using machine learning to help the already powerful graphics chip in that get to that point.

It's not doing it all by itself. No, don't do that. That's... What was that one? That's why, okay. That's what's going to be on my Twitter in a few days. This whole conversation just reminded me when I was at Newark Airport the other day. No, this will make sense. Did Megan Fox show up? No. You know, the guy who checks your ID and your boarding pass before you get in. He was like, oh, yeah, I watch your videos. Good to see you or whatever. I was like, oh, cool, thanks.

And then I, like, went in. And then he, like, got onto his brake immediately and then, like, walked back up to me and was like, by the way, I have a question. I have a RTX 4090. What chip should I get? I was like...

I don't know. Like, what do you, what games? I don't know. There's too many answers to this question. And I just was like, I don't know. That's when you were like, on Macintosh, my plane leaves in five minutes. Yeah. And I was like, unloading my bag onto the conveyor belt. Like, I don't know, man, whatever you want. Like I could tell in that moment, I was like, I do not, I am not,

giving a good answer right now. There are multiple dedicated channels for those. Yeah. Isn't an RTX 4090 good? Yeah. Yeah, he said, what processor should I get? He's like, I have this card, what processor should I get? I have like the most sought after card in the country right now. I was like, honestly man, you're probably gonna be fine. You can't play Cities Skylines with an old CPU though. You should have been like, oh, last year's card? Yeah. Broke boy. All right.

We got to move on. Okay. This is another extremely small story. We need a segue. Speaking of... Maps. Why was there a map before? Because planes fly on maps, and now this is a map. We just saw Carp...

Planes fly in the air. Not lately. Marques was delayed for 11 hours. It didn't fly too much. Last week, we saw CarPlay Ultra with the new Aston Martins. It wasn't last week. It was a while ago. And how the UI kind of matches the car. We got our first glimpse of that in Google Maps in Android Automotive. First of all, I thought Android Automotive wasn't a term anymore. I thought we were now Android Auto and...

Cars with Google Drive. Google. Built in. Built in, right? That was funny. Google Drive. That was funny. Wait, I made that joke like four years ago. I got that so late. Dang, wait, that's a really missed opportunity. Yeah, Google Drive. It should have been called Google Drive. Well, yeah, no, Android Automotive is just what the cars like the Polestar's run that have Google as the UI.

Yeah, it was like it's the UI using it without having to plug your phone. It's Android Auto without your phone. It's just an Android tablet pretty much. Inside your car as your car's UI. But then I thought at Google I.O. they announced like Google Car with Google Drive. No, Car is with Google built in. It was with Google built in.

Cars with Google built in is now what they called it. That's right. So I thought Android Automotive was gone, which is the first thing that confused me about this. Right. So I think that that would refer to the cars like the GM cars where it's not that the entire operating system is Google, but they do have Google Play Store access and you can install Android apps on them. So you can install Spotify and Waze on it, even though the whole thing isn't Android Automotive. Right.

I'm not saying this is easy to understand. I know, I know. This is totally Google's fault for making several things with similar names all being difficult to understand. But yeah. Android Auto, Android Automotive, and Google with, no, cars with Google built in are three different things. Yeah. Cool. Sounds like a Google product. Yeah, exactly. Nailed it. Nailed it. But we saw our first Google.

glimpse at an android automotive being a slightly modified to match the car's ui right vibes i guess ultra baby yeah pretty much there's a pull star it's super simple google maps now has like an orange button instead of a blue button it's more squared off everything matches with pull star it's very nice but it made me think is pull star the google pixel of the android auto you

or Android Automotive software? - Polestar. - Like if you want the Android Automotive latest updates, you have to buy a Polestar 'cause it seems to get all of this first. - Polestar is the pixel of Android Automotive. - Yes. - Yes.

It's the pixel of EVs, period, I feel like. Maybe that's rude. I just feel like I see so few of them now compared to everything else. But there are still enough of them where you see them. And they're good. And people who like them are like, wow, this is amazing. Why does this not have more market share? Is that the almond of the walnut? I was thinking the same thing.

How do they get... How do they milk the almond? Okay. I don't have the answers. DJ Cow. And I usually have all the answers. Can I... Step for which chip to get for a 49? Yeah, you didn't have the answer to the TSA, did Marcus? I can feel this derailing. We should take a break. Work on it. Wait, wait, wait. Before we take a break. Before we take a break. I just want to read a tweet that I tweeted six years ago. Okay. Okay. Perfect. So I decided to rename all the Google services. Okay.

Google Keep. Wait, okay. Google... Wait. You're doing great, sweetie. Okay. I said Android Auto should become Google Drive.

Which was Ellis' joke, but I just want to let you know I made that six years ago. Wow, way to one-up Ellis. That's messed up. Let him have this moment. No one laughed at it in here either. I said Google Drive should be renamed to Google Keep because you're keeping stuff. Or Google Cloud because it is a cloud service. Google Cloud also exists. And that Google Keep should be renamed to Google Notes.

Well, I just wanted to say. That was it? That wasn't all the services. I was expecting like 20 more. Google Pixel should be Google Phone. I didn't say that, but it would make sense. Anyway, we can take it to breakdown. I'm sorry, Ellis. That was really mean. I should have just been like, you're funny, but I was funny first. Don't worry. Ellis has an old VHS tape from a first grade recital where he made that same joke and you actually stole it from him. Well, in my Bible, Jesus actually said...

Oh yeah, well if you come with me, I have cave paintings where they're painting about how funny it would be if it was called Google Drive, okay? And they're weird Flintstone cars. Fossils, which have engravings on them. Anyway. Ancient aliens came to me and said they should, let's go. When the big bang happened. Hit the button right now. The sound that reverberated was, Android Auto should be called Google Drive.

I think this is the sharpest decline of listeners we're ever going to see on an analytics of an episode. That was very chaotic. Question one. Let's get right into it, folks. In the early days of Instagram, back in the... Oh my God. No one laughed this hard at the actual joke. I was so proud of it. Because I made it first. Yeah.

It's never funny the second time. If you made it this far into the episode, comment Google Drive down below. I just want to know. I just want to know if you made it this far. All right. Question one. In the early days, in the late 2000s, the early days of Instagram, the original conception of it was not as a photo sharing app, but actually as a location-based social network. Once Foursquare took off, they realized they were not going to capture any of that market share and they pivoted to images. But before they pivoted,

What was the original name of the app before before it was called Instagram? Yeah.

before it was called Instagram. Did you know that Foursquare recently bought another company? How? With what money? That's what I'm saying. I'm like, I read this news and I was like, they've bought companies in 2019 from Snap. They acquired something from Snapchat in 2019. They bought something in 2021. They bought something this year. And I'm like, where is your money coming from? I also think it's hilarious that it seems just like

everyone wanted to start a four square in the late 2000s. Yeah. Sam Altman was doing it. Instagram was doing it. That was like the birth of like location data. So everyone was like, what can we do with this? And they all had the exact same idea. Because it's the only idea. Yeah. Well, we will think about this one. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. Sorry. Sorry.

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But obviously it's a double-edged sword, so there are bad things happening too. So we talked a couple weeks ago actually about dubbing our videos. We've been paying to have our videos transcribed so you guys who are unable to hear the videos can obviously read along. But also, if you don't speak English, we started working on audio tracks in different languages that would play alongside the video for people who speak different languages.

So obviously if you're in an English region, you watch the video, it's English. If you're in a region like let's say Germany for example, and a lot of people speak German, it could theoretically insert a dub of me, like my voice, but speaking German. And it will play alongside the video as if it was just like normally how it sounded.

And it's kind of a cool idea. You might have heard about this before. Auto-dubbing, a lot of other channels have tried it. We experimented with voice actors who would speak alongside me but don't necessarily sound like me, but the translations would typically be very accurate. They take a while. And then we also experimented, since tech videos are fast turnaround, with AI dubs, which would actually sound like me but wouldn't necessarily be as accurate, but they'd be much faster. So there's a whole bunch of things we've been trying.

That actually, so the last time we talked about this, that was the conundrum we were in and we asked our audience, what would you rather have? The like paid for voice actor that's more accurate coming seven days later or the AI within 24 hours? Right, right. And the funny thing is the feedback we got was, please stop.

It's defaulting to those tracks based on my region, and I've been watching you in English for so long, this is now making watching your videos super annoying. - Yeah, so that's where we get to this new feature, which is YouTube. I got an email, actually I'm gonna pull up the email right now from YouTube. - So real quick before we get to that, that actually changed our whole strategy, and what we're currently working on now, if people are interested,

Instead of taking the most popular regions and trying to adapt to dubbing from some of those, we actually decided to take the least popular regions that watch us. I think like Russia and Japan are two right now, because if somewhere like India, which is one of our biggest viewer audiences, they're already listening to us in English. They like it in English.

there's not a lot more people to reach to there. So let's try and find the people that aren't listening in English. And so if it does auto-dub it based on the region, that might be able to expand the audience. So that's what we were trying until this feature rolled out. Yeah. The key issue was that YouTube was auto-changing the dub track based on the viewer's location and would not give the viewer an option to change back to English. That's awful. Or you would have to do it individually per video. I don't even think you can change it at all. No, I think you can change it in the audio track format.

In the settings, the gear icon, it's similar to where you change speed and quality. Oh, I know that by heart. Yeah. But the issue is like, okay, all these millions of people are used to watching in English and it just got switched to a different language on them. And even though it's one of the languages spoken in their region, they'd really rather just watch in English. So I get this email. Hi, Marques Brownlee. We'll soon be enabling automatic dubbing on your channel.

This means that YouTube will automatically generate translated audio tracks in different languages, making your content accessible to more viewers. No action is needed. We'll enable this on your channel in the coming weeks, and once it's enabled, when you upload a new video, we'll automatically add the dubbed audio to your video. Over time, we may also dub previously published videos. In some cases, we may be unable to generate the dubbed audio, so you'll first be able to see the status of the dubbed audio in YouTube Studio.

Effective today, you can turn it off for your entire channel. Oh. But once it's enabled for your channel, while uploading new videos, you'll also have the option to turn off automatic dubbing for that video.

And it's a bunch of languages. So if you click the learn more link in there, French, German, Hindi, Indonesian, Italian, Japanese, Portuguese, Spanish, and all I presume will continue to be locked to the regions that they assume people are from that speak those languages. So yeah, YouTube, just go ahead and flip the switch on the AI dubbing feature that they've been building in the background. Yeah.

Double-edged sword I think a lot of creators maybe smaller creators especially will find this useful because they don't have established audiences who are used to listening to them in a certain language So this is just free extra Visibility to them in new places that wouldn't have ordinarily been able to consume their video. It's great, right? but the other side of that sword is Myself a channel who already has people who are used to listening in English and don't want it switched would just have a bunch of people suddenly getting weird AI dub tracks when they used to listening in English and

and they're gonna have to find that button to switch it back to English, which is not necessarily easy to find. - I believe every time a new video starts, you would have to do that too, which is so annoying. - It happened to me the other day 'cause I was doing the dishes as we do here in this podcast, and I usually just leave my phone off in a corner playing videos while I have an AirPod in or something, and I had changed my phone recently to the Spanish language to help me just get more into reading Spanish. - It auto-dubbed it to English. - And it auto-dubbed it.

It was so weird. I had to like dry my hands. If Duolingo had this feature and you were like doing French or whatever, and then it just started talking in English to you, that'd be pretty funny. Yeah. The Duo AI just takes over your phone and starts dubbing things. You know, YouTube calls this a dub feature. I call it an L.

Nice. Thanks. I mean, I think we all understand what they're trying to get at. Yeah. Jesus. Did you make that joke first? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something, something, big bang, we get it. Like, I...

Remember Squid Games came out and everyone like it had all the different dub tracks on it already and like got super popular. And like we all understand the benefits of this dubbing in here to be able to reach. I think it's just like way too surface level and people aren't understanding that. Like what we saw from feedback from our audiences. Really upset about people who already listen to you in English. And the other thing is, is...

Like, we did it in Hindi. We had so many people saying, hey, India speaks like 12 different languages. Like...

- Not even all, a lot of us probably know English better than Hindi, but now you're gonna all get region locked to Hindi or maybe it's based on phone. I'm still not 100% sure about how that works. - Yeah, I don't know if I just like, maybe it was just a weird hack that happened or something because I changed the system language on my phone. - I can easily see YouTube's point of view from this 'cause it's like there's all of this content that people could be watching that would just give them so many more ad dollars. So if you make it opt out instead of opt in,

People can just watch any video and enjoy it and then YouTube gets more ad revenue. So it makes a ton of sense from a monetary perspective. Yeah. Here's my proposition to YouTube to make it make sense for everyone.

allow users, like viewers, a little bit of control over the default viewing experience for their channel. I've brought this up before. I brought this up like many, many years ago where I was like, I would like YouTube to automatically default whatever video I'm watching to the highest available resolution. I will wait for it to buffer. I will.

And I don't mind that that's gonna take longer for certain videos or certain worse connection environments, but that's a flip I would switch in my YouTube experience. Let me flip the switch. But that's not a flip that I can switch. That's not a switch that I can flip. - Yeah. - But I want another switch. - Flip switch too. - 'Cause this would make sense. If you're gonna do this YouTube, I get it, great. Give us another switch that just says,

True. Default all videos to their naturally uploaded language or default all videos to English or default all videos to dubbing in this language so that I don't automatically get videos in the language I don't speak and I have to like switch them a whole bunch of times. I just want to watch everything in whatever language it was natively made in. Give me that. Or I just want to watch everything in English because I speak English and just do that. Companies are strangely adverse to giving you like granular control of things. Yeah. You know, they know better. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't think subtitles is that bad of a thing to do. I don't know why it needs to dub. The anime world has very strong opinions about that. Exactly. And there's so many, not even outside of anime. I'll watch YouTube from YouTubers in other countries doing, I don't know, EDC travel videos or something like that. And

you miss a lot of like how they feel about something. Even though I don't understand the language, I could tell they get excited about certain things or like things like that, which I can read what it says perfectly fine as long as I'm getting like the intuition of their excitement through their voice. Yeah.

Yeah.

here it is, rather than like, they might know a bunch of different languages and watch different channels in different languages. So that's what causes this issue of default locking that to a region or a language based on your phone being annoying. My proposition is,

When you subscribe to a channel, you get to click keep this defaulted all the time I watch this person's videos in original or that. It brings back the subscribe button to actually being important again because it's not really that important right now. But they don't want it to be important, right? They want people to just go roaming around watching videos. But I don't think YouTube would be mad at seeing those numbers continuing to increase because it still does represent...

success. I mean, they just changed all the shorts views numbers for literally no reason to just pretend to be successful. So if we bring back the subscribe button to meaning a little bit something, then somebody who maybe does watch other videos in Hindi, but wants to watch you in English can subscribe to your channel and be like, all videos from MKBHD are in the original audio file, original language. That would be the best user in my eyes, like

user flip to switch. Yeah. Or like giving the user, but you would only get that subscribing to someone. Right. Yeah. What if you're just like on the TV clicking around random videos? Cause yeah, I had this happen to me and it was totally by accident, but there was another YouTuber who does car videos and I don't know where Romanian somewhere in Europe, they had this, this foreign language channel that they are very successful with, but they did dubs of it in English just to get a larger audience. And they made an English channel.

And so I was looking up car reviews and I was watching a bunch and I clicked on one and it started playing and it was very clearly an AI dub. But I went with it because I was still learning facts about the car or whatever. So I had encountered this channel and they had this English speaking AI dub channel just for these videos and I made it through the video and it was okay.

And I think in an ideal world, instead of those views going to a separate channel that they had to make, it would all go to one original video just with different dubs playing for different people watching the video.

Without me subscribing or having to engage or anything necessarily, it would just know who I am, what language I want to watch the video in and play it for me. So I just want that toggle on my end to be like, hey, YouTube, you might think I want to watch in this language, but I actually just want to watch the original or actually just want to watch English. And that would be fine. Yeah.

There are some people, though, who probably know different languages where they might watch one channel in Spanish and might watch another channel in English. And then it has to default to everything. So I guess that's my reason for like...

if I subscribe to a channel, this is the channel I know I want to watch in this language. - Sure. - Therefore it all does that. And then you default your non-subscribed channels to whatever language you pick. - That makes sense because I do have just like straight up Spanish YouTubers that I watch that only speak Spanish. So that would be weird to have, make everything English as a toggle.

Andrew, it's really crazy that you made that point about letting the subscribers choose based on their channel because I actually tweeted that six years ago. I'm so sorry. Wait, can you pull it up and read it to us? I actually have been thinking about this all episode. It really was a really big... It's fine. It was a huge **** move. I promise we're okay. I just love callbacks. Well...

So did I. That's why I pulled up the six-year-old joke. Damn, that was good. So to wrap this up, I think the moral of it is if you're a larger channel, you probably should opt out of auto-dubbing, right? Yeah, if you... Have an international audience.

It's hard to say. If you're a channel like us where you have a large English-speaking audience in a whole bunch of countries that speak English, and then there are a bunch of other countries that probably wouldn't benefit from you having auto-dubbing, then you're good. But maybe you are a small Romanian car channel.

and you are very limited in your audience and only people who speak that language, maybe you do want auto-dubbing turned on for your channel, and then you get a whole bunch more viewership that you wouldn't ordinarily have gotten. So it depends on who you are or what channel you are and how popular the language that you're speaking is that you might want to turn it on or off. So it's typical YouTube, this is a decent idea that will probably not be that great because they don't let users...

Have enough control over them. Yeah. Just a little control. I've always wanted, there's definitely like a lot of technical reasons. And I know that companies will like sunset features that are not getting enough use, which is always very frustrating because it's like, well, some of your users use it. But the problem is then they have a code base that they have to keep up and it makes it slower and whatever. I just think companies are very adverse to giving more granular control.

which is frustrating. So many products could be made better if even really, really, really deep in the settings, you just gave us...

so much specific tweaking control. Yeah. But they don't want to do that because the code base would be too complicated. This reminds me a lot of how YouTube rolled out Shorts. Because remember at first we were kind of confused and we made a whole separate channel just for Shorts because we didn't want to mess up with our algos and stuff like that and viewership. It seems like they just kind of rush out these features before they're completely baked in the way that they should be at launch. Yeah.

Because now I think Shorts is fine on your channel. Totally. Separate it out perfectly fine. No big deal. Shorts is a good example because it is a huge feature on the site, so it obviously takes time. You can't necessarily roll it out perfectly on the first try. But it is tough because you have this whole ecosystem of power users and people who depend on it and want to do well immediately with it that will be frustrated as it evolves and changes and gets better. So yeah, you want to do as well as you can right off the bat.

out the box, but it's not gonna be perfect. You do have to improve it. And then there are features that just go away. Like I remember, I go to the Creator Summit every year and every year Linus brings up, I'm not trying to call him out, but YouTube Stories. Other creators will bring this up too. Like YouTube used to have Stories. And every year there's a question about like,

How do we avoid that happening again? Because you guys rolled out stories for a couple months and it was actually working for some of us and it was like a cool feature we could use to give temporary updates. And then it just stopped and just went away. And now we were relying on that feature. We had like a whole show going on stories and now it's gone.

Just don't do that again. That's the goal. I think the hard thing is with a lot of products, you can roll out beta features and it's either good or bad or whatever. But with products that people rely on for their livelihood, it's very difficult when companies just roll out features that they have to rapidly adapt to and then maybe it will disappear and there's just not that much transparency. It's the hard thing though because social media, if you are a social media company, you want to try and

figure it out as fast as possible and gain. So like, I'm sure Linus did a good job of figuring out how to make stories work for their business, but it didn't for everyone else. And you're almost like, you almost have to try and succeed. And I mean, pretty shorts. Do you remember IGTV? We tried to do stuff on IGTV. It's a weird, weird thing that just completely went away. And now is reels and shorts and everything. And now TikTok is just what IGTV was. It's just short videos.

I just don't know if YouTube, for example, cares that much about us as the creators. Not in a way that like all big companies don't really care. I just mean more so that we are not the customer of the product, you know? Like there's the viewer who is clicking around and that's who they want to reach. There's the people that buy ads, which are the actual customers for YouTube. And then there are creators who make the content. Yeah.

So all of this stuff is like kind of getting into weeds of who gets what control when you give people things. You have to distribute incentives, right? Like you have to make it lucrative for the creators to make the content, but you also have to make it like interesting enough for people to want to keep watching the content. And then you have to make it so the advertisers want to advertise on the platform. And it's just the whole circle. I think I've called this like the 90-10 problem or something like that, where like the 90% of users...

don't do most of the content generation, but you have to incentivize the small 10% who are making all the content, even though it might not be ideal for the 90% of people who are watching it. But also you want to make things that are great for the 90% of people who are watching content. It's hard. On YouTube, it's probably like 1% of 1% of 1% of people make the content. A tiny fraction make all the content. This though is something that is hurting potentially viewers. Like people who come to watch MKBHD

are watching things on YouTube for MKBHD and if now they're getting mad that they have to switch the audio track every time, they might be spending less time on YouTube versus us wanting this very specific thing. This is the 90% potentially being, or 20% of the 90% possibly being mad at something. - Yeah, the question, and we saw the list of languages, so the question will be what fraction of people who are used to watching in English will have it switched on them and that's bad for them?

versus all the people in those regions who speak those languages who weren't watching MKBHD videos who suddenly will.

Yeah. I don't know the math of that. That's really hard. Ours is probably unique, but I would argue ours in some of those is probably more people mad than more people gay. It's some ratio and hopefully the more people helped than hurt. I have a question because I've been in podcast studio rewire world for the past week or so, so I haven't quite been following this. What happens to the music and sound effect? Do you have to upload a separate dialogue track and then it swaps that out? Because I know I was giving you separate dialogue and music for a while.

So that's a good question. When we were doing the human method, we would have to export a separate track for all the sound effects and music and a separate track for the voice. So that when we had someone do the re-recording in a different language, it would be overlaid in place of what my voice track was and it would still have the underlaid music.

The AI dub is doing a remarkably good job with one single audio track of just replacing the voice. Wow. Now, the AI like small car channel that I watched, it was it was bad. Like whatever tool they were using, it had like the music like fading in and out and like breaking and it was pretty bad. But it was just like a robot English voice. So I could at least get the information about the car.

But some of these AI tools, and now the ones we've been using, and YouTube's tool, ideally, we'll be able to do it all with a single audio track. I just, you know...

I'm sure it does a great job. It's just like, I spend all this time, man, trying to make stuff sound good on the channel. And then it's just like, only for a robot to decide what to do with it is so painful. We shoot an 8K only for the content to be impressed. I mean, if you walked into a movie theater and you saw an AI dub of a THX sound, it wouldn't be worth all the work. I'm a big compressor nerd, especially when I'm working on music ducking or

making a mix or any of like a channel intro which doesn't usually well sometimes they have dialogue like I'm doing a lot with like how what what logarithmic curve should the compressor roll off on like how is it gonna and then just to have a robot be like I know better yeah I think the the original file will always be best and so if I am making English content those who enjoy the original will always have a best and then it's sort of like

For those who don't speak English, would you rather not be able to understand the video at all or get like a C plus mix version where you can understand it?

And I think YouTube's answer is let's give accessibility. You can at least understand it. It's not going to be a perfect mix, but more views everywhere. And theoretically, more views everywhere is still better for the creators because they still make more money. Yeah, that's true. I think from YouTube's perspective, it makes sense even if it's rough. Well, speaking of English language content. This podcast.

And the thing we do exclusively in English on this podcast. Trivia. I was reminded that one of the few movies that I've seen has a character voiced by Vin Diesel who just says, I am Groot over and over again. And they do a bunch of languages of this movie.

And so there are many recordings of Vin Diesel going, "Yo soy Groot." -Is Groot the good guy or the bad guy? -Groot's always good. -All right. Trivia question number two. So we finally have an Instagram app coming to iPad. -Allegedly. -Allegedly. -Allegedly, maybe, we'll see. -Possibly. Asterisk. But when Instagram launched, it famously had a one-by-one aspect ratio. What were the pixel dimensions of each image?

Blank by blank. Originally? Originally, when it launched. Yeah, I know, right? Crazy. Originally? I remember back in the day you could only upload from the viewfinder.

Remember you couldn't upload a file? Holy crap, yeah. That was instant. Yeah, that's instant. The world would be better. I will also accept the actual number of pixels that Ellis calculated out for me. Oh, like the calculator. Yeah, yeah. Oh, God. Okay. Cool. You know, fun fact, it's called Instagram because in between the Foursquare thing and the photo sharing thing, they try to do like an easy bake oven, but exclusively for like Teddy Graham crackers, little cinnamon bears. Hmm.

So you make a big cracker into a little cracker? A big teddy bear. No, you make like a nondescript slurry of powder and liquid under like an incandescent bulb into a little tiny graham cracker. Where's that in your Twitter six years ago, David? I'm sorry. This horse is dead and still being beaten. The audience is going to hate me after this episode. Not as much as me. And on that note, you know what? We'll be back after the break. I give up.

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Welcome back. This is my section of the podcast now. Ha ha ha ha ha. But also David's. Sort of. Sort of. We're going to be talking about the Fuji X-Half camera that I have right here. I've been playing with it for a few days. I don't know how to feel about it. It's awesome and also weird and also bad. Yeah.

In very specific ways. So it is a camera from Fujifilm. It's a new camera. And if you look at the back of the camera, instead of like a screen that's normally landscape when you like line up pictures or whatever, it is a portrait like orientation. Thank you. It is a portrait oriented screen. So it's basically for Instagram.

Show the class, turn it around. I was just going to put B-roll, but sure, that works too. Yeah. For reference, half frame cameras in the film era were half a 35 millimeter strip of film. And because of that, the aspect ratio was vertical, which is why this is a vertical. And it was supposed to save you money back in the day because instead of, yeah, you would get 72 shots instead of 36. This is a very expensive camera for what it is. How much did that cost you? This was $850,000.

To be clear, they were going to sell this for $700, and then the tariffs happened. $700 is still too much. I think if this was like $500, it'd be a must-buy. Okay, I think you should explain it more. Wait, wait, before you do that, can I ask a question specifically about what you just said? Yeah. They said out loud this was going to be $700, and now it's $850. On the briefing I was on, they said it was like $700, and $700 is the MSRP in other countries. Okay. But in the U.S., it's $850. Okay.

So we might get to see when tariffs are not, if they will actually bring it back down. They won't lower it, I don't think. I don't think so either. I doubt it. But I just don't think we had a clear thing to point to to see if this would happen, and now we do. Yeah. Fun fact, this camera has a one-inch sensor, which famously means the sensor measures exactly one inch diagonally. It doesn't.

It does not. Wouldn't that be nice? 1.0 type. Yeah. So this is a digital camera, but the whole point of it is to kind of emulate a film camera. So there's a mode, a film camera mode that you can turn this into. You just like set it on where you will not be able to see what you're shooting on the back screen. You have to look through the viewfinder and it is basically just like a film camera where you take a picture and all you see on the back is a number go from zero to one.

And then you do that until you fill up, quote unquote, the role. So you can choose whether you want 36, 72 role, whatever. So let's say I chose 36. I'll take pictures and all I'll see is the number going up. I will not see a preview of the camera or the picture, anything like that until...

There's a accompanying app that you can download and you will, quote unquote, develop the film and it will transfer it to your phone. It's the greatest thing. You don't have to. You can watch the contact sheet fill out as it develops in real time. It's so awesome. It's so cool. Worse is better. Okay? Worse is better. Worse is better. When are you going to learn that? Marques, you can take photos. You don't have to be in that.

This is just a mode. You can just keep it in digital camera mode and it acts just like a digital camera. This is just a specific film camera mode. Show them the paddle. The film advance lever. There's a film advance lever. There's a film advance lever on the back that switches into the mode. This thing is my number one complaint with this camera so far. Well, the build quality in general of this camera is very plasticky. It's very lightweight, which is cool. But Fuji cameras are typically like...

They feel funky, durable, like really good cameras. This is more like an expensive toy. Yeah. And I love expensive toys. I buy teenage engineering all the time. That's right. So it's right up my alley. But this like lever here, the lever, lever thing, whatever, wherever you want. The film advance lever. The film advance lever has no ratcheting, no like feedback, no nothing. So it's just like it slides into place, which is like kind of annoying.

But I've been having a lot of fun shooting with this thing. It's just, it makes me wonder if, I know David, you had a video years ago about this, about how...

like smartphone cameras are all about software now. How many years ago? Wait, it might've actually been six years ago. It was not six years ago. Okay, what, like four years ago? It was when the Pixel 6 came out. So it was four years ago. Nice, okay, so four years ago, you had a video about how like cameras are all software now. And this is like taking that in a different direction, which I really find interesting because it's just, it's adding features instead of processing the photos in a certain way.

You know, like I find that really intriguing and I wish that Fuji would make another one of these or bring this to their like pro level cameras.

Because I think that would be so fun. If you have like an X106. Bring what to the Proloquo? The film simulation mode, like all of these things. They have film simulation modes on the X106. Wait, how? Oh, you mean like the transferring thing. Oh, the real mode. Fun throwback to when cameras were bad. They were not bad. They were so good. David has a whole side career off of his film cameras. Can you talk about the sub LCD? Yeah.

yes that is andrew's favorite feature yeah so on the back there's the main display which is as we mentioned vertically oriented but there's a sub display lcd thing that you can actually wait let me turn it on so like maybe people can see i'll just put this in b-roll um you can swipe through different film simulations on it and it shows like the canister like it looks like it's the little window that you would get in a film camera yeah you see like the little like portrait or well not

Portrait, Astia, Velvia, like all of those as you swipe through, it's really cool. It's also how you like navigate menus and stuff. It's not super responsive. It's a little slow. - I thought it was pretty good. - No, when you're swiping through, it's pretty quick. But when you're like tapping through for the menus and stuff, it's a little bit slow. - Yeah, that part I thought was cool. - Scrolling through the like fake film canister to pick the different filters.

was really responsive and I didn't expect it to be because gimmicky stuff like that is usually not really that well built in but it was really good yeah David and I were taking a beautiful walk sorry did I cut you off I was just gonna say the one other thing is that film advanced lever if you push in is also lets you see the last photo you took I guess if you're outside of whatever

the mode is but I thought that was a really quick way to check the photo it's nice I think they should full send it and since the sensor is so small high I know it's not actually one inch guys it's very very small but it's small enough that you could in theory put them on a belt and have the film weaver just advance which sensor was like in line with the anyway David and I were taking a beautiful walk through North Brooklyn on a beautiful summer day a few week or two ago maybe

We were talking about this bad boy having a conversation about it and David you said one of the funniest things I've ever heard you say maybe it's an exaggeration because he says pretty funny stuff, but But we were talking about everything we were talking about how this camera you can't pull raw images off of it You can only pull compressed images off of it and how people were complaining about that even though Fujifilm was kind of known for their breathtaking JPEGs, but

I was like, you really don't think you'd ever want to pull a raw out of it? You go, Ellis...

All of the features in this camera are to make the pictures worse. One of the filters is literally called light leak. You're like, what are you trying to dial in on this thing? - Yeah, that is my take. A lot of people, yeah, you can only take JPEGs. - My take on this is I am in a one inch camera period of my life right now. I can't explain it. I just really enjoying shooting on like super low dynamic range old one inch cameras.

mostly because the lenses that you can adapt to them are really, really cool. And if they made this with an interchangeable lens system...

Oh my God. Next level. I'd buy it like so fast. Yeah. I'd buy it like so fast. So my take is that Fuji is trying to respond to the Digicam hype that's been going on for the last year or so. I don't know if you know about this. Is this also a throwback retro thing? Basically, Zoomers are going to... So remember in 2020 when all the Zoomers were buying film cameras? Well, they broke boys because film was expensive as hell. So all the Zoomers now are going to thrift stores and buying like

three megapixel Samsung digicams from 2003 because it gives you that like vintage bad quality party camera look sure that everyone wants for social media because

The whole thing right now is like anti-perfectionism. I'm so cool. I don't care about how good the picture is. I'm living in the moment, bro. Marques, how much do you think a Mint Canon PowerShot G7 costs right now? This is a 10 megapixel Canon G7. On eBay. On eBay. It comes with a battery and a charger and a camera and that's it. How much it costs or how much it's worth? Oh, and a strap. How much it is selling...

No. $6. I am here. Actually, I should go to the sold listings, but I'm seeing them for... $32. I'm seeing them for in between $200 and $300 right now. Yeah. Like these things are in demand. That's a demand. Yeah. These would have been... These literally would have been $5 at the thrift store like four years ago. Wow. So... But yeah, so Fuji is trying to respond to that. I think the problem is that it's an $850 camera. I think...

The amount of R&D that they put into this is worth a decent amount of money. It's probably not worth $850. But I think the 1.0 type sensor is intentional because they want the images to have less dynamic range. They want it to look worse. They have all these filter modes that just add these bad effects to it on purpose. Yeah. But then you get the Fuji colors, which are beautiful. But you get the Fuji colors. Yeah.

I think this makes sense. Q2 got sold today for over $1,000. It's the newer one, the 20 megapixel one, but Q canon today. And I just want to say, a lot of people are like, it can't even shoot raw. And it's like...

It has a 1.0 type sensor. It obviously could if they wanted it to be able to. But Fuji intentionally made it not able to because why would you do that? Also, this is not the camera to get if you care about image quality. If you care about shooting raw, that's the type of person who cares about image quality and high performance. And this is the opposite of that. On the slider of toy to tool, if you're asking for raw, you're pushing it towards tool. If you're asking for...

Light leak filters you're asking for toy. Yeah, so just pick us pick a side And if you're asking for one why complain about yeah, this is like the perfect road trip camera where you're just like in the car Yeah, like if you're shooting a wedding you're not taking this camera actually maybe I mean a lot of people want photos like that well With a professional camera and add those after oh

If they were a wedding photographer, a professional tool. If you were at a wedding and wanted to take some photos with a phone camera, this is like... Fujifilm's entire Instax line is run by the wedding industry. People want those Polaroids. As someone who is entering the wedding age of their life, whoever has the Canon PowerShot is the most beloved person by the world. By the way, I was at this Canon event where they were launching the R5 Mark II. They were Canon launching? Yeah.

Boom. He's on it today, folks. We have to stop. Notice how I laughed.

And didn't try to one-up. And then everyone's referencing Mitor and a one-up. He's opening up Twitter right now. Oh my God. I can't wait to title this episode. I just have to say, I was at this Canon event where they were launching Alice's Joke, not mine. The R5 Mark II and also the R...

one or whatever it was. I like that. And so these are like the fastest, most insane, like most high professional cameras ever made basically that are like not even really cameras anymore. They're kind of just like video feeds and AK that you can take stills from. But there was a reporter there and she was like 20 years old. She was like, oh my God, I just got this like Canon G7. All of my friends are trying to get these right now. I was like, are you guys like photographers? She's like, oh no, no, we just like

every these are huge in my circles right now and i was like what the canon i've never heard of they take good pictures they do they know they're they're actually like great cameras and especially like the autofocus systems on them are usually really good like yeah i feel like these these sort of point and shoots got kind of passed over because dslrs were kind of like pumping out really incredible images you know yeah but now that we have mirrorless cameras and

really incredible images are the default. It's like you get these really beautiful, I don't know. And there's sort of this weird liminal space that people want where they either want a really sh**ty image of like their life or they want something better than their phone. But nobody wants the phone. And I'm just here to say HDR is bad.

and stop doing HDR for everything. - HDR has driven these industries. - Every industry has a slider from functional to fun. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And often the nostalgia driven like toy or more like entertaining version that's towards fun

is not necessarily the most functional thing, doesn't have the most high quality experience, but it has the fun factor. And then there's the other side, which is when you push all the way to functional, it feels a little more sterile or a little less exciting, but it's the one that's pushing the envelope of technology, et cetera. And so, yeah, you pick a side. If phone HDR had never been invented...

people would not be buying these. The iPhone 7 camera looks exactly like the Canon. Like they look the same. I was going to ask, so this might be a kind of an embarrassing question, but is there an app I can get for my iPhone that enables, is there an app for my iPhone that enables the sensor to be exposed one time? Even without HDR? Yeah, no HDR, no multiple exposure, no hitting both cameras and deduce, like I just want shutter open,

quote unquote shutter open, quote unquote shutter closed. Halide has a feature called process zero that I think we talked about a few months ago maybe. Can you remind me? Even that is going to not be zero. For me, it's the computational. It's like I would be okay if it was possible to do a single exposure feature.

high dynamic range like it's not the dynamic range that bugs me it's how on phones everything is perfectly exposed yeah it's so well that's because of the hdr right right it's the it's the stacking but highlight has that there's an app called uh zero cam that does the same thing and it works yeah it works pretty well yeah the images look much better you have to edit them obviously but that's

That's fine. Yeah. Why don't you just get a Fuji XF? I'm just saying tone curves are not meant to be flat. The Fuji XF costs $400 more than I paid for this iPhone. Wow. So anyway, I think the XF is really, really cool. I like it. But I think it's really cool. And I want to say that R&D into building something that interesting and weird and they built an accompanying app with it does cost money. Okay. $850 is too much, but...

you know it's worth something no i agree like they should charge for their work i just think 850 is a little much yeah it also accomplishes the most important thing is you get to walk around with a fuji film camera and i feel like yo where's the brewery i feel so good and i have the answer yeah i could be like if you want to i'm on my way not me running beers and cameras

Anyway, Marques, we're going to get you to love one of these things eventually. You will like an old bad thing. Look, I'm going to tell you right now, I know where I am on the slider of functional to fun. And in many of the hobbies that I'm in, and I've been thinking about this, I am very much towards the functional slider and the fun. This is true in cars, where if you ever hear about the way people talk about driving characteristics, like when you watch...

Porsche 911 reviews and people are like, the car is too perfect. The car is like soulless. To me, I'm like, hell yeah. Hell yeah. It's like a surgical instrument. Other people are like, I want the skitty rear wheel drive, like tail happy car that like can't put the power down. They want that because it's less functional, less performant, but more fun. So,

So that slider exists in a bunch of different ways. I know where I am on the slider. But I know one arena of your life. I don't know if you know that you are, where you are more on the fun side. Please tell me. It's your Yamaha HS8s.

Look, if I dive in and find out that those are way more towards fun and I can get something way more towards function, I'm kicking them out. No, no, no. What is the Yamaha HSA? My studio monitors. They are trusted studio monitors. They're known to be accurate, especially in their price point. They're really, really great. But the big difference between the 8s and the 7s, or the, yeah, there's a 5, 7, and an 8 in that series.

is that the 8s have way larger speaker cabinets than a lot of other 8-inch speaker cone, which gives them a lower roll-off point, which gives them this really punchy, clear, exciting, low-frequency response, which can be a little bit bassier. It can be a little bassier than things are in real life. But when you talk to people who work in studios, even the people who prefer a more clinical, dry, accurate, transparent speaker, they're

The number one word people use for the HS8s is fun. It's a fun speaker to listen to. It's like I'm in the market for new studio monitors. Especially when you have them in a near-field configuration like you. I liked this, but then I found out I could be entertained by it, so now I have to get rid of it. No, I am all function as far as...

Like, because I got those HS8s to replace what I had before, which was like a 2.1 system from like some plastic Harman Kardon thing I had before. So like, I went in the direction of accuracy. We can talk if you want ultra accuracy. Okay. Oh, yeah. But first, a little thing we here at the Waveform Podcast call trivia, dude.

There's a sharpie here. That's dangerous. Oh, that's very dangerous. Eagle-eyed viewers among you watching on YouTube.com may have noticed that Adam and I are sitting in the same chairs that we do every single week and nothing has changed. Question one. Instagram was conceived as a location-based social network, but eventually they had to pivot because a little thing called Foursquare came along. Before they pivoted, what was their name?

Oh, I thought it was the aspect ratio. That is question number two. Oh, sorry. Wait, can you ask the question again? Before Instagram was called Instagram, it was called what? Oh. Think very deeply because about six years ago, I'm going to... I literally can't. I can't even think of, I guess. Yeah, it's because it's stupid. Yeah. Who wants to go first? Me. None of us. Nothing. Nothing.

Marques, what you got? I made a guess. I wrote Instamatic. I'll give you a hint. Their word Insta is not in it. I don't know. This hint is coming way too late. Yeah. I put Insta Square. But I know it's not Insta anything. The correct answer is bourbon. Oh, right. I've actually heard that. And I've seen the logo as well.

Coffee. You know, until I, this is the first time I've said it out loud. Urban isn't alcohol, Marques. Well, I assumed it was like urban or suburban because it was a geolocation thing. But yeah, I think it actually is just like. Is it like untapped? No. Which is like. Dude, who knows? Okay. That's like the beer rating app, right? Yeah. Quick update on the score. Marques with 26. Andrew with 16. 10 points behind. David. Dude, how old are you?

30. With 30 points! Nice. Alright. So when Instagram first launched, it had an aspect ratio of 1:1. The question is, how many pixels did it have? Resolution wise. Yes. Like blank by blank? Blank by blank. Or I will also accept the literal number of pixels. I don't know if I can do that. Closest without going over. You don't get extra points for doing both, right? No. It's one of two options. It is.

One of infinite options. No, I think it was one of one by one. Yeah, one by one aspect ratio. Flip them and read. What do we got? O. O? O is not an option. Who wants to go first? I know I'm wrong. I wrote 324 by 324. Wrong. Very specific. I wrote 418 by 418. Wrong. I wrote 480 by 480. Wait, wait, wait, wait. But why did you say that? Because like... I was wrong though. Was it 720? Because why... But why did you choose 480? Because...

Am I going to make an answer and say reasoning and then you're going to say, actually, that's not correct. Well, if you if your reason you're kind of your answer is wrong. But if you can nail your reasoning, I'll give you a point. Because like because in resolution. Yes. You go like 480 and 720. I was going to say, do you mind if I take this one? I was going to say, well, the correct answer is 500, 512.

640 by 640. Because the resolution of the first retina display present on the iPhone 4 was 640 pixels wide. I would need to fact check this, but I believe the width of the iPhones 1, 3G, and 3GS were 480 pixels wide, which is why I thought you picked... That is why I picked it. Six years ago? Yeah.

Doubt it. Yeah, no, that's an interesting fun fact. I'm canceled. We all got all of those wrong. That's okay. That just means the scores are all still the same. It means I'm still 30 years old. Yeah. No, no, I was wrong. It's 320 pixels wide. Don't listen to me. Anyway, yeah, thanks for watching and listening. Very chaotic week. We'll be back, of course, with your regularly scheduled programming again next Wednesday. If anything, if you made it this far into the podcast...

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