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Rory McLaughlin, who set up a business called Mystery Shirt in a Box. And he gave me one. He sold 100,000 copies. And you can basically go on his website and he presented me with one. And I said I'd basically promote his business on Stick to Football. It's a Werder Bremen shirt. So my mystery shirt was... I was expecting a Liverpool one off him, to be honest with you, Kieran. But it wouldn't have been a mystery then, would it?

Verdi Bremen kit. So there you go. Rory McLaughlin, go on, it's www.mysteryshirtinabox.com. He's a young man from Northern Ireland and he's done a brilliant job. There you go. Well done, Rory. Super 6 winner, £100,000.

That's weird. You won £100,000. I did, yeah. You got all six right? Yeah. Wow, well done, mate. Congratulations. What are you going to do with that? I still haven't decided yet. It just feels quite surreal that I even got it. That's amazing. Well done to you. Cheers. Thank you. Yeah, that's the air. Yeah, bring it round the last book, is it? What's your name, mate? Sorry. Tom. Tom. So, Tom, I love these types of stories. So, Tom basically has predicted the six correct results. We do it, obviously, every week on Stick to Football.

And he has won £100,000, which is absolutely amazing. So what did you get right there? 2-2 Brentford v City. Yeah, that was the most rogue one, I think. 90 plus 2. Yeah, and the Chelsea-Bournemouth. Oh, Chelsea, 90 plus 5. I was waiting on the Arsenal-Spurs game because that was about half an hour after all the rest had finished on the Wednesday. So there was a lot of pacing around, just hoping that no one was going to get another goal. That's incredible, that. Well done to you. Cheers. Cheers.

So who's your sport? Norwich. So you're from Norwich as well? Yeah. Is there any skill in what you do? Or is it just fluke? I mean, obviously there is a skill, obviously. You're choosing things. But did you look at it and analyse it? Or did you just put a score down like I've just done there? There was a little bit of a fluke. That Brentford City one, I think, was definitely more of a fluke. I don't actually remember my thought process into getting to that one. The others, there was a bit more strategy to it. I knew that...

Bournemouth were on a good run and they seemed to have quite a good record against Chelsea so I was like maybe a high scoring draw. Forest were on a great run they didn't concede very many but they were playing Liverpool so I thought well I do fancy Liverpool to get a point there. I thought Liverpool were going to score though later on. Yeah I did as well. I was with my mate and we were watching it in the pub and they were just hanging on at the end Forest but

Yeah, the others, Newcastle, Ronegard, Roundham, Walsworth, not... That's brilliant. Well done, mate. Thank you. What a great achievement that is. What are you going to do with the money? That's why I asked him what he was going to do with the money. He doesn't know. He doesn't know. Give us something. Give us a little bit, a glimpse of what you're going to do with it. A little holiday? A little holiday, yeah. A car? Maybe. A house? Yeah.

Well, that's probably the most likely thing is to put it, yeah, a quality investment into getting a house, yeah. Yeah, that'd be nice, wouldn't it? Yeah, because I don't own any property, so that would be a good thing of a... Yeah, make sure your address is Super 6. That's what you need to do. Well done, brilliant. Thanks very much. Go and get yourself a house. Yeah. Well done.

did you win? I did he won the Super 6 how much did you win? well done Roy look at his results by the way £100,000 no way that is so good thank you can you buy us a coffee? congratulations thank you I really wish I could I cannot Roy Brentford scored in 1990 is this it? that's the one yeah congratulations thank you if we didn't have Roy on our team we'd win £100,000 can we get Boyzone on?

So was the show good? Oh, it was so good. No, no, no. I've seen the trailer for it. I was literally like a Boyzone diehard fan growing up. Was he screaming? And then I got to meet them and I was literally, honestly, I've never been so like starstruck. Jill, I used to love Boyzone. Honestly, loved it. They came and were like... Jill, you love meeting everyone. I...

Honestly, I reckon you'd love to meet Jack the Ripper. You'd love meeting everyone. Why do you use that analogy? Sorry, I couldn't think of anyone else. I don't think that'll make the cut. No, no. Every time Jill meets him, I'll make my hero. They all can't be your hero. No, I know it's lovely and I admire it, but they all can't be your hero. No, but Ronan Keating and, like, Shane Lynch. Oh, honestly, I was so excited. Yeah, but that's...

Keith Duffy. Louis didn't look like he came out, right? No, no. A couple of them look a little bit like they're struggling. Yeah, one of them. I think because you don't realise kind of the success of the band, but that's what the documentary takes you through, like what was going on underneath the surface. That's on a few different bands, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even watching Robbie's film, and...

I haven't watched it yet. Was I right? You've got to watch it. It's amazing. I couldn't stop crying. So good. It was so good. You know what? You're talking about it? You know the thing, Wayne, because I love the song Angels and obviously seeing his relationship with his nan. Brilliant. On Angels, I don't know if he remembers because I think he was a bit on his wild days. Right.

He sent me his Brittleworth Angels. No way. So I've got it in the house and then I've seen his documentary. Yeah. His daughter's talking about... He's explaining the song Angels. Yeah. I'm thinking she'll send it back to him. Give it to his daughter. Or sell it. Send it back? No. No, I probably will. I think you should send back the Angels...

to his daughters. That'd be a nice touch. That'd be a nice touch. Can I just say, I don't care what anyone says about Better Man for it, it's brilliant. Is that right? Absolutely. Yeah, you was right. Another one, the Bob Dylan movie. Yeah? I had to see it the other night, very good. My missus said he could get an Oscar for that. Very, very good. Shall I make?

Yeah. Have you got Sylvester Stallone on your T-shirt? I just realised. Is that Rambo? Oh, I love John. You've had a bit of a revamp, haven't you? A revamp? He's been styled today. No, no, no. You've got to help me out here. No, no, no. He's looking good. It's a classic, man. Even the other day, I watched it. I loved that movie. It was brilliant. I've never seen Rambo. Uh-huh.

Oh, Wayne. You've got to see Rambo. Oh, my God. He's too young. He was playing on the world stage. You have to binge watch it. Literally. Underbridge. Underbridge. When the guys tell him to get out of town. To run back.

Jump back and kill everyone. I love it. I love it. It was brilliant. Watch the first one. It starts getting a bit silly, this second one. How many is that? There's four. Four? Yeah, there's four. And then there's one. No, the first one. I think the third one goes over to Vietnam. Is it Afghanistan? Is that the third one? Well, one of them is the second or the third where the killing in it is just... I'll say this point. No, it's had to be the first one. Is Rocky before Rambo or Rambo before Rocky? Rocky before Rambo. Yeah.

You've definitely been styled, though. You didn't pick a purple shirt this morning. It's a T-shirt! You know what's good about what I love? It all works. I think he's got a clothing partner. It works. Who told you to wear a purple shirt this morning? Where's the proper shirt? This. It's a jacket. It's a jacket. It's just, you have been styled. You look well, Roy. You look good. I like the way you're making an effort. Thank you. You're always making an effort. Cheers. Thank you.

Who are those fours getting left out? They all can't play. Palmer has to play now. He has to play. I'm a business guy. Why do you think I built a stadium like that for concerts? American football, that's how I run a football club. Something like that football club, in my opinion, has to change. I'll put my name forward. Yeah. It's a

problem with society isn't it really what would think I'm going to write a death threat to a referee I give him my thoughts my opinion I said you need to leave the football club I think it's completely wrong he's had 47 games with City he's never sent a player off once he's sent off eight but you're now adding to it you're saying that's a fact Gary it's there for people to see was he back we're glad to have you back we are glad to have you back we spoke to you last time didn't we after

After Birmingham, you were absolutely adamant, weren't you, then, when you finished at Birmingham, that you absolutely wanted to go back in. How are you when you look at what happened at Plymouth and where are you at today with it? Yeah, no, I would like to go back in. Again? Yeah. You all right? Yeah, no, I would do. But it'd have to be the right club, certainly the right club. Was Plymouth not? I mean, why would... You always have to eagle, don't you? You always have to...

confidence to you can go in and you can get the best out of a bad situation or a difficult situation and obviously that wasn't the case it never happened that way but yeah I am going to enjoy time more though with my family I've just been skiing how was that? we loved it

Still be covered in a bit. Did you ski or snowboard? Ski. Did you actually do skiing? Yes, I did, yeah. Would you... You're young enough. Would you, because you've been in and you've kind of been in, would you take a time where you go, you know what, let me have a couple of years, I'm going to have a look around, see what's going on, how people are doing? Yeah, no, I'm not in a massive rush to go back in and there's different things which I'm looking at to try and get involved with as well. So unless something was...

the right thing to do then. Do you know what Wayne, you've had good opportunities now but I still think you'd be suited if you can to work with much better players whatever that role might be. Yeah, 100%. Assisting with somebody but that's where your strengths might come out I think. Every club I've been in I've put myself in a really challenging situation so even with a better group of players or whatever level that is. Yeah.

You could say that for lots of coaches. We all want to work with better quality players. Sometimes you've got different ideas which you think you're trying to put across to the players and then sometimes maybe you're a bit arrogant where you're thinking this is the right way, you have to do it the right way. Even the philosophy as well, if you kind of try to keep the philosophy. That got to either win or after two games. Then having the players to do it, isn't it? When you think of managers that are like...

Having better players helps them. What made you think Plymouth was the rhyme? Because when I remember speaking to you, because obviously you were doing some of these with us, and it was Plymouth, I was thinking, just the location itself, just being like, it's about six, seven hours from where you are. And obviously someone has to be a manager down there. But I just think that even that sort of distance and that travel, that...

having to get back every week to see the family then going back because obviously Colleen didn't move down. Why would that be the right fit? What made you think it was? I think that's part of being a manager. Regardless anyway, you're in it. You're fully in it. So whether you're six, seven hours away or it's on your doorstep, you're ingrained in the job. So it doesn't matter really where the location is. And if not, I think I will say I loved my time there. I think the fans were great. The staff were great.

we just it's a bad run of form and the players you know I can't fault them they were trying they were giving everything and maybe just lacked that bit of quality which but you're on about why you're picking a job Gary like you went to Valencia you don't know a job until you go into it

Sometimes there's no logic to it. You talk about areas or people talk about ownerships. But you went to Ipswich, obviously. Yeah, and you can look back at that and go... But sometimes you look back and go, well, it was a bad decision. But sometimes it's a bad decision because you don't win enough games. I went to Sunderland, you win a few games, you go, that was a good decision. It'll dictate by your results where you think obviously it was the right decision. But you don't know the dynamics or if you're the right fit for the club. But we see it constantly. We see managers going to jobs and you look and you go, I don't know if that's the right fit for certain managers. Sometimes it just...

sometimes it just doesn't happen for lots of managers so this idea of why pick that club why not pick that club until you go in there then you don't know the real ins and outs of a club shall we say but then again we're lucky Wayne's had a few opportunities a lot of coaches out there desperate for opportunities and

You keep hoping you're going to get it on, sometimes you don't. It's tough. But do you have no regrets because you are someone you're like, if I'm going, I'm doing it, like travel, whatever. Yeah, no, I think I've had some great experiences, good ones, bad ones. So I think you've always got that to fall back on. Whatever happens in the future, you've always got that to fall back on. But I'm definitely looking as well to try and expand into...

different things and enjoy my kids more, enjoy my family more, enjoy doing stuff with them. Certainly while I've got this time off and try and enjoy different experiences. But it's that balance of letting people see that you're still interested in something, wanting to do something, so you can stay away from it. But at the same time, people need to know, yeah, but Wayne's been looking, he's gone over to Barcelona, he's been watching them train, he's gone in and watched them. People need to know that you're still

trying to be amongst it rather than you just being with the lads. Yeah, no, of course, yeah. So that's what I probably think too. I probably love about doing something like that. Keep involved, yeah. Keep staying involved. I love how you pick Barcelona. Go again, yeah. Go again. I'd have no problem...

dropping into an under-21 team or going in as a coach. I'm still young enough to learn and develop. But even to do that, Wayne, but going with top... Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. You would go into a youth team or a reserve team or an under-21s. I'm not naive enough to think. I know how the game works. But we're quality players, though. I'm just having a good group of players who are at a level where... It's strange, you mentioned there why you would go to Plymouth, but you hear lots of stuff that managers get jobs, people go, well...

He lives in the area. As if that guarantees you a bit of success. You know, if you don't live... Remember, Raph was on here. Raph, a vast, experienced manager, was saying, why everything went, well, I lived in the area. There's no logic why a manager might take a job. Not everyone's going to get a job under a doorstep. Most managers do have to travel. I always thought that with England and that having...

Even like yourself, Stevie Gerrard, Frank Lampard, coming through that system with that calibre of young player is probably where I would have, if I was involved with the effort, I would have probably had you guys in there. You know what I mean? Just the next one and the next one. And you're already working with quality players all the way through. So...

If I'm like 15, 16, 17 and I'm working with Rooney or Gerrard or Lampard, I'm going to be absolutely buzzing with that. I think they've missed the trick. I think with the structure of the way the FA work, it's anyone who, I think, might be speaking a bit out of time, anyone who's got a bit of

strong character it's difficult to go in there and work that's why for instance you're seeing Gareth who's done amazing Lee Carsley in there very subservient kind of player yeah short and fit isn't it this is why we're struggling you say about working with younger players and like technically and tactically great but now you've got the experience of working with older players as well haven't you and trying to manage them which I guess that's a whole different ball game so your experience is going to be so vast now really yeah well

The older players at times were a lot harder than the younger players, definitely. I thought Jack Gellar had Jags at Derby. Jags was brilliant. Obviously, playing with Jags and Curtis Davis were good. But you get some players who are afraid. I think because they know they'll struggle to do certain things. With young players, you can develop them. They're all in, they're all there for you, and you can try and develop them. Once you've got bad habits, they know they can't get out of it, and then they look for excuses. Yeah.

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We don't win in Ireland. Where are we going from here? You know, start putting a bit of pressure on the players. Start putting a bit of pressure on the team. I think as a fly half, I don't get our obsession with not letting fly halves play fly halves. DuPont is a generational player, isn't he? He's turning into that, which is fantastic for a world superstar. This Welsh supporter gobbed on me. In moments like that, you just think to yourself, I understand why Eric Cantona did what he did. I felt like I was kung fuing him. I'm going to terrorise you! And then we look at our nicknames. Mellon.

Nugget, Jughead, Grub, Bonkite, Swannack, Lucky to be alive. Stick to Rugby is brought to you by Defender. We were all watching England in the summer and we were at the time thinking about getting in the Bellingham, Parma,

Foden's come out this morning and said, coming off last season, being the best player in the Premier League and playing centre midfield, I do feel the position was quite difficult to get used to. I'm the one who can play multiple positions, so I had to try to deal with it best as I could. I don't feel England ever got going or performed to our potential. He's talking about playing on the left and being shoved on the left wing. I mean, you were obviously at times pushed on the left. Scoles was pushed on the left wing. Other players have been pushed out of position. What do you make of that? Phil Foden coming out now,

saying that he felt that they couldn't influence the game as much I look at it in a way where if I could play on the left I was comfortable playing on the left but I hate to play on the right so I think I agree with him in terms of being left footed it's harder coming inside which when I was right footed playing off the right I used to hate it so I think I can half see it but I think now the game is so much different there's that much rotation in possession you're

In possession, he was never stuck on the left. He was never stuck out wide. He was coming into hard and he had him... If anything, he had too many plays. He had himself, Jude, Harry dropping in. So he was actually clogging it up a little bit. So I don't know. Sometimes you've got to just move on from it. But I agree without playing. If he's asked to get the ball, stay out wide, get across in the box...

he can happily do that but it is a lot harder did he start every game did he start every game yeah he was he was always on the left we didn't get much I know in his season well Saka was on the right one yeah Saka's doing his start but what I'm saying is you needed more how many debates do we have about that I don't know

You think you've got Saka Palmer, you've got Bellingham and Foden, you've got to try and get into a team and he's saying he doesn't want to be playing out on the left. I didn't feel he could have the most maximum influence on the left. That was the most negativity Gareth had in any tournament really about Saka where Bellingham was trying to squeeze everybody in.

It took a toll on Gardner, didn't it? Even though they were like, they obviously ended up getting to the final. What does Tuchel do now then? If you think about it, you've got those four players, you've got Kane. You've seen Lee Carsley try it, didn't you? He played them all. Yeah. Didn't work. Completely backfired. So you need that balance still to the team and that's the job of the man. Yeah, but the football mad when obviously Lee done it, England missed a couple of great chances, if you remember. They got two up in that game and great chances. Who put one over the bar from a few yards away?

Who was it? Was it Palmer? Was it Palmer? Just say the one that had to start and you're going, hey, that's the way to go. You are dictated by... Who out of those four is getting left out? Saka, Palmer, Foden, Bellingham? Because they all can't play. Saka. Saka.

Kane plays at top. Sackham speaks for himself. Kane's going to play up top, or one of the strikers, and then you've got... One of those four is not going to play up top, are they? Right, OK. So you're going to end up with four behind, basically, a striker of some kind, whether that's Watkins or... Palmer has to play now. He has to play. So if Palmer has to play... In my opinion. He's a brilliant player, but is it weird saying that? Someone has to play for him. Yeah, but I just think...

His confidence, you see what you can see and I think he looks like, I don't know him personally but he looks like someone who with that pressure. He's got a swagger in him. And Bellingham's going to play there. He has to play, doesn't he? I'd want Foden in central though but I think what doesn't go for him at England, I think you hit the nail on the head, is there's too many players in there and he's used to such structure at Manchester City. He has his own space to play in but

for me he's one of the best number 10s but you know what the good thing about being in professional football you have to adapt from your club stuff because everyone says you're not in your club it's difficult though isn't it when you do it every single week most teams now they're playing with a front five and the wide man becomes a number 10 so you'd only have wide defending

so you're defending from a wide position but in possession you're actually playing as number 10 so it's not as structured as it was where you had Becks out-targeting and Giggs he was on the left and the staying there out-wide well in part to being a top sports person or player is to be you have to adapt sometimes we've all played in different positions who are leaving now

At the moment. Are you going to have an England form now? Because, again, you look at... Gordon would be under pressure. Who are you playing left wing? Gordon.

Probably. But the thing is, you look at Foden and the way he's played recently for England, it's interesting that he's coming out at this stage and saying that. That's what I think. He's talking about it now, but for England, we've not seen enough moments. What does Tuchel do? If you're playing for Gordon, by the way, you've got to leave two of them out. Foden would be on pressure. I think so, yeah. Probably Palmer as well.

He couldn't play in wing-backs, though. If you're talking about them four... That's one great word, isn't it? No, no, no. If you're talking Saka, Bellingham, Foden and Palmer, they're probably going to be Foden and Palmer to be probably under pressure in that instance. When you look at what them two have done for England up to this point, I think it probably... Because Saka and Bellingham have done better for England. I think that's the only thing you can judge on the pure fact of what they've done. I'm imagining Tuchel's going to play a diamond, a 5-4-1.

That's what he normally does now. So basically... So he might actually have... He might fall in for them players to all be in there. Yeah. Which on the side... I don't see it, but... No. I don't see it, but... On the sides of your diamond, you need people who are going to work hard because they've got to get out of the full-back. So it's not all about in possession. If he does play that, he's going to have to go for workers, really. I'd like to see Tuchel say, Wayne, come in with me for this World Cup, bro.

Right, you talk about having a bad run before, obviously, at Plymouth and Ange is having a nightmare run at this moment in time. Does he survive this next couple of weeks? Obviously, he's got the Cup games coming up. He's got the semi-final second leg against Liverpool and he's got the Villa game in the Cup. Is it a case of assessing it after that? And is he in big trouble? Gary, you are doing so well at getting these seamless timings in. I hope he survives. I like him. I just like his demeanour. I like...

I hope he survives as well. Of course, you don't want any manager to lose his job, of course. But does he get that bad, though? There's some who you look at and they annoy you. Anyone in particular? No, don't say anything. No, I actually agree with you, though. There's some that you just like. I think, you know, how honest he is. And sometimes... We had it with Van Gaal. Van Gaal used to do it. Sometimes you can be too honest. And I think sometimes that comes back to kill you. But with Ange, I think...

The injuries divide them. Absolutely. If we're going to talk about injuries, and there's injuries for everyone, people say, yeah, what about Iriola, Bournemouth, he's doing brilliant for him. Well done. Same with Unai Henry, he doesn't go on about his injuries. But the injuries have definitely impacted Tottenham when you look at what they've done. Should they be losing to Everton and Leicester, though, irrespective of injuries? Listen, Leicester was a... Leicester was obviously... Two average teams. It's a poor result, absolutely. But what I'm trying to say is,

From the injuries point of view, I think it's a massive... It's massive in Tottenham. You know what they've got... But is that a manager's job, though, right? You know what you get? You have to manage all of that. What I'm getting at, though, is that all of us want Hans to stay, but will Daniel Levy keep him? That's the question. I think Sutton has to change. Yeah, but I think he's got to change with him. I don't mean...

but something at that football club in my opinion has to change because the law and the fans have gone there needs to be something there's something happening quickly is it so you're saying the rumour is there is rumours around Tottenham looking to get out and the ownership change is that right but what you're saying is something has to change it can only be the owners sell or the manager changes and if the owners can't get out or don't they're going to

Or they won't buy a few players. Yeah, but you say it that way. Even if they buy a few players, when you look at what I think they've got, four games in the next ten days, Son and Kulosevski have been playing continually. They've got injuries anyway. You've got young players who have come in, Archie Gray, Mikey Moore and Bergvold. You look at the team and what they've got to play, the four games in ten games, then after that they've got to play one in six. They need to try and get to that stage.

without losing players. So when you're talking about, they need to, even if they bought three players now, I think with this four games in ten, they might lose more. They might lose more Tottenham. I always think when a new player or a couple of new players come through, it gives everyone a lift. Fans, players, as a team-mate, it gives you a lift and I think we're at that now. And it happens, I think everyone will agree, it happens to players. Yeah.

Might have a little niggle and think, you know what, I'll miss this one. If they're in a good place, then they'll go through. I think if he loses the second leg of the Carabao Cup to Liverpool and he goes out the FA Cup to Villa away, I think it will become so toxic that Daniel Levy will act. If they're out of the cup competitions, I think he will act. If they're in the cup competitions, I think he might keep... Like a trophy could save him. I think Daniel Levy's in a tough place in terms of...

If he does it now... He can't do it now. The fans will absolutely... Kill him. He can't do it before the Cup game. Even if he wants to, I don't think he... Your next question is, again, the usual. If you get rid of somebody, who's... Who's he going to get? They should be... I'll put my name forward. Yeah, but you look at Levy. You look at Levy. You look at Tottenham as a business.

Unbelievable. Unbelievably run. And that's what he does. If he had the same energy for trying to win something for Tottenham, they'd be winning something. Remember, they've had arguably one of the greatest goalscorers in English history, alongside Wayne, of course. Yeah.

in respects of that's come through their academy. He didn't build anything around that. He was scoring goals. How many golden boots did Harry get in the end? Was it three or four? A few. Right? You've got somebody who's capable of doing that. You didn't build a team around him. They should have been winning things because of the owner. They haven't won anything with him, have they? With Levy.

at the helm Tottenham used to win trophies used to win FA Cups they used to win stuff it's him he's the one they've got to get him out and get an owner in who wants to win something with his fans the stadium's always full that's not how they run the club they're right but that's why they need to change that Roy because the only thing that's missing from that place is trophies yeah

Yeah, but you could say that for lots of clubs. Yeah, but the thing is that other clubs are not running it like him. His club has been run exemplary. Yeah, but we see it all the time and the one thing we all say, never has a club, we go, football's a business. So he's running it as a business. This is the way he runs it. Listen, we,

You're negating the fans. No, I'm talking about his position at the club. We all love football. Spurs was my team when I was younger. That's the glory of football. But if he was stood here, I'd be going, I'm a business guy. Why do you think I built a stadium like that for concerts?

American football he's a business guy and the money's rolling the club he's going and that's my that's how I run the football club so that's to the detriment of the fans obviously but you argue over you know when the club's not run right you're sitting there saying the club's not run right we need someone in to run the club right and so now we're saying now the club's getting run right but

I bet you Levy doesn't look at Spurs even as a stadium, as a football stadium. He just looks at it as a stadium. For all sorts, it's not like Spurs, you go, I look at it as a business for the country. I would ask the fans. I'd ask the Tottenham fans. That's who you ask. When he brought Jose in, he brought Conte in, which was a complete departure from him because obviously the idea of him bringing in a stronger character than himself was a big gamble. He brought those two in to win trophies, didn't he? And he gave them money.

And obviously it didn't work out in both of their... You should have mentioned Pochettino in that. Pochettino did a great job before that. But from Pochettino he brought in two what would be cold-hearted killers basically in football terms in Conte and Mourinho to win. Because he didn't like their football style. He didn't like them as people probably in terms of... He knew he was going to fall out. He gets criticised but he did try and go down that road. That's what I'm saying to you. So you have to give him credit for that. He's tried to bring in those people and they've not been able to win. And they've won everywhere, those two.

Yeah, but you're saying... We sacked Jose before the Carabao Cup final. Yeah, but like... Yeah, that was a bit strange, wasn't it? Yes, very strange. But then you're talking about Pochettino and his ascendancy to that point. Champions League finalists. They're brilliant. Second in the league. Why not back him?

Why get rid of Pochettino to bring in Conte or Mourinho? Why don't you just stick with him? Because that's all he wanted. He wanted to move some players on, didn't he, Pochettino? And bring some in. And he didn't give him the opportunity to do it. And he brought Jose in. Yeah, it was Jose, wasn't it? And then, bam, he thought that Jose was just going to make it all work. And it didn't. I don't even think it's just the trophies. I think because there's not many teams who've won trophies other than City, Liverpool, Chelsea maybe of recent years.

So it's the fall-off which has been the season, I think no one's seen that coming. If Tottenham were consistently now in the top four and close or getting to finals, semi-finals, I think the fans would say

would be quite pleased. But having said all that then, Leicester come and beat you 2-1 at home, that is a killer for all the problems we have. That's a tough one. It definitely was the injuries though. Why is there so many injuries whenever I turn the telly on? It's just injured players in boxes and like, why is there so many injured players? I think we'll protect them all. Well, that's not a part of a manager's job. You look at how you're training, everyone's got 20 fitness coaches, you're going, that's part of your job is to make sure I have players available. You're an asset, all of you are in the treatment table. I

The younger players are like, it's kind of the GPS, it's like, oh, they've trained like 60 minutes, get them off, protect them. Players get told you've done too much and then every morning you have your meeting with your staff and come in and say, no, be careful with this player and he can't do this, he can't do that. It's bullshit all that. I've got stats up, so the players now are running a lot less

Of course you can overtrain before a match. I understand it when you're tapering down in the last couple of days before a game. If you're working in a week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, the idea is that you've got to push your body beyond the point that you're comfortable doing and match days become the easiest thing in the world from a fitness perspective. Once

Well, I'm saying you've got to train at a level that is extreme to a point whereby actually on a Saturday you can cope. Your body can cope with Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, Wednesday. You play 55 games a season. You have no rest. Your body's got to be robust. This idea that, I mean, I know you can over-train. So there's some sports scientists watching now saying, don't worry, he's talking about his prehistoric. But the idea, I get the fact you can taper down.

You taper, that's what I was thinking. Go on, Gal, it's a brilliant... I get the fact Thursday, Friday you play. Thursday, Friday you taper down, but you have to take your body to an uncomfortable place. Yeah, and younger players need to build resilience, so they need to be pushed. Yeah, they've got a little calf hair. You look in them dressing rooms, you can't move for the amount of people in there. Well, he's got to come out now because of this. It seems the players aren't robust enough. That's what I mean, resilience, robust. So the players get every bit of information and they look at it. Is that a good thing? No.

You can't be. And I've done this much running today, so tomorrow I need a little less training. I can't have someone telling me I'm in a zone. It's psychological that, though, whereas if you just trained and you didn't know you'd train. I've got it. What is it? I need more massages. Hey, that's it. Hey. Or heal. There is so many injured players, honestly. There is, there is.

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Arsenal had a player sent off, they're the only club in history to ever have a player sent off in the Premier League. But it got rescinded yesterday. Did it? Yes, it got rescinded. Oh really? I didn't see it anywhere. Where are we at with the Lewis Skelly one? Obviously, do we all think it was a yellow card to start with? Obviously, it was a red card. I've done. I thought it was yellow. Do you want me to read out your message from the other day on the group? Go on, give it. Yeah, you were kicking off on the group message. I don't know. I don't know. Make up for that next year.

You did just have a random rant on the group. I was at home and I wasn't feeling great. This is a beautiful thing on a Sunday night, this. So were you a little bit... Go on, girl, what is it? When you get a message on the group and you think, I'm staying out of that one. Yeah, I did that as well. That's not for me, this one. I see Michael Oliver and his family have received death threats. Who's this from? Is this from me?

And Matt Docherty isn't running away from anyone with his pace. Little emoji that goes like that.

What does it do? One of those ones. Where he's thinking about McNugget. I'll answer this group after. It's brilliant. I see McCabe was sent off today for abusing a referee in a women's game. Maybe we should praise the referee for that correct decision. Don't forget to look in the mirror before making very harsh judgements on people doing their jobs to the best of their abilities. Adios, amigos. Up in Irish.

I know, why did... That's what you get all of a sudden. All of a sudden when you're just going about your business, bam. Nobody responded. No, there was. There was one. Camera put spot on. Camera put spot on.

That's like tongue in cheek as well, obviously. Why is it that all of a sudden it's like the referees where we draw the line? Everybody's getting that. I'm not saying that it's right. Of course I'm not saying it's right. I'm saying with that decision which has now been overturned, that should have been sorted on the pitch.

that's why VAR is pointless can I just make a point about Arsenal you know I still find it amazing it happened as well a few months ago so everyone would think it was the wrong decision whatever whatever that's an opinion whatever I still thought it was a reckless challenge he should have got back but anyway he learned from the player Arsenal won the game right they won the game so they regrouped so Arsenal had a great opportunity for the manager again after the match to come out and go we're not even discussing it we have to roll with it

or players should what they're about focus on you're getting the result instead of still going on about the referee leave the referee you've won the game the referee is going to get criticised anyway the referee is going to everyone was criticising him so you show up in a class it's harsh no so Howard Webb obviously I was on here with Howard a few weeks back

How Webb come out I think it was the Casedo Chelsea where he's gone over the ball and he got a yellow card and it was way worse than that one and he's come out and said it weren't reckless but then he comes out after the Skelly one and says because of the height of the tackle where Casedo's was higher and much more reckless so there's no clarity in what to do I'd rather him just come out and say do you know what we've completely messed up

But you know, when he makes that tackle, you look at the guy, it's Dardy. Good yellow, I said, when that happened. He's 80 yards from goal. It's not the edge of the box. That's a good foul. There was no danger. Do you think Dardy was going to run and score? I didn't think, no. Absolutely not. He literally was on his own. So I'm thinking...

Actually, for the defenders, actually. I'll try and get the ball, maybe. And I've done crazy stuff before everyone says, oh, you've done worse. I know I have. But you still have to look at the decision and go on. It was still a silly thing to do. It was a cynical challenge. It wasn't a reckless... Like, he tried to go in and it went inside and then it went down to the... It ended up not being so bad because he got away with it. But that could have easily been a bad ankle injury. But we end up not talking about the football. I don't think he went in with that intention right. He didn't go in with that... He went to trip him up and the foot slipped. Imagine you're the manager and the players after the game, you've got, lads, don't even mention it. We've won the game. We've shown what we're...

Like, cornered onto a positive. I think the reason for that, though, I think the reason with that is how the Arsenal fans perceive their type with someone like Michael Oliver. That's all it is with Arsenal fans. There's a few sending-offs that you probably won't see. That's what the problem is. Because they've used language like corruption, which obviously means they think he's getting paid and bought off, which is obviously not the case. So my point is, Arsenal fans...

look to be fair we lived in a club which created a siege mentality around referees and trying to sort of make sure that we always had done to everyone's against us so Arsenal doing a bit of that as well there's no doubt what Arsenal do is inflame the situation after the game rather than calm it down they've done that for 12 months now but I

I don't think we can say that's wrong having played in the dressing room we did. But Arsenal have every right to do that simply because of the way they feel about how this referee referees their game. But I think the difference now is right with social media. When we were playing back in the day and we were doing similar things with referees, we weren't then inflaming what would be calls of corruption on social media or anything like that. Now, you've got this sway...

Obviously the influence of Arsenal's anger, which obviously comes out from the players and from Arteta and prominent fans. And then all of a sudden you've got this social media wave now which goes towards... That's where the corruption comes in and the cheating. I don't think in our day we could ever have that influence on a group of people because everyone was at home without a phone. They didn't have Twitter on it or whatever it was. That is the only difference now, I think, the influence on others. What kind of individual are you if you watch a game of football...

and then go and write a death threat to someone? It's a problem with society, isn't it, really? What would you think? I'm going to write a death threat to a referee? The thing is that you feel for them.

you feel for the referee because of what happens now like I say I don't know if I can play he's been taken off the Arsenal City game hasn't he yeah I've seen that which I think that's completely wrong is that his choice though I think it's completely wrong how are you going to say it's completely he's never sent off he's played he's had 47 games against with City he's never sent a player off once he's sent off but you're now adding to it you're saying no but the thing is yeah but the thing is that's a fact Gary it's there for people

He's refereed 47 games of City. City haven't probably made a tackle in those 47 games because they're 80% of the ball. Did I see Doku in McAllister's chest not long ago? Oh, no. Righty. No, no, no. Wait a minute. I'm trying to say... So, in respect of Arsenal fans, they're not supposed to feel that something's a little bit like that?

Honestly, I hate the idea of a referee being taken off a game. He's the best referee in the country. The idea that he would go into that game on Saturday or Sunday, whatever it is, Sunday afternoon, and think that he's going to be basically swayed towards City or... He's not going to do that. He's a professional guy. I'm not saying that, but what I'm saying is the fans have got every right to feel how they feel because of what they read and what they see. That's what I'm saying. They think referees might get emotional as well. Let the man speak. I think sometimes... You've seen it when Fergie used to...

not play me against Everton because I get too emotional in the game I'm a professional player sometimes I get a bit emotional this game might be at this moment in time it might be too much for them coming up but you know sports the both teams and the referees there's three teams obviously the teams and the referees three teams the game's about mistakes so what's happening if the referee does make a mistake and you're there and I still go listen it was a reckless mistake

Is that it? So he's taken off a game and he's going to get a threat. So he's the best referee in the world. One of the best referees in the world. He's the best referee in this country. And he's now being bombed off games because he made a mistake. It's the people who sat there watching VAR. Exactly. That's the problem. That's the one. The referee's going to make a mistake. Are the days gone by? Do we know when a manager comes out and has a go at the player?

The Arsenal manager, even came on afterwards going, you know, he was a bit daft. He gave him a bit of a chat. But even just bring it all down. The next day, the women's team, the Irish girl, McCabe, she abused the referee. I've done a lot worse.

But after the match the manager went, oh I'd have to speak with her. Yeah, I think she, she's gone, hey that's unacceptable. Why can't the manager come out and say that? Everyone's gone, oh you've got to protect the players. No you don't. I had to have the player set off and I've come out and said, stupid, sleep with her, I had to go with the player.

I'm watching it and I'm like it's not even a red card it's not even a red it's not even a red did you think it was a red in the moment at the time yeah you know what see with the challenge like I say

it was a yellow card to me the VAR should have sorted it out and done stuff we've had three days it's not Michael Oliver's fault then he's made the mistake on the pitch but the VAR should correct it now he's been bombed off a match the best referee in the country I can't believe you know when they make a mistake you're on about the the answer there but when every answer we can't believe well it wasn't that shocked that he might have gave him a red

It was for me. Yeah, I was shocked. Thank you. You know what? I was watching the game. You could see different clips of commentators. They were saying, oh, he's got it. And then when he got set up, they went, what? Oh.

They were shocked. It was a yellow. It was definitely a yellow. Browns were shocked when Rice got sent off. Yeah, but that was a really dubious one. Even the one with... Even the one with Martinelli got sent off for the same action. And then you've got Trussard got sent off. Oh, Trussard did get sent off. You know what I mean? Trussard is the thing. Trussard, I think he was silly. Who's had the most sending-offs this season? It will be Arsenal, probably.

I would imagine. I don't know. I wish it was someone else. I just got to rest my case. So what are you saying? We're nasty? They all can't be unlucky. You all can't be unlucky if you have the most sending-offs. So all your referees are against Arsenal? I'm not saying any of them are against Arsenal. I'm just saying that when you look at the record of Michael Oliver against Arsenal, Arsenal fans are terrified of him managing. Who was the referee you kept sending me off?

All of them? No, Ellery. David Ellery, yeah. I don't think that was personal. Did Alex Ferguson give him a referee a chance to make big decisions? All in all, right. Am I kicking the ball away? What about Salib? The big thing they focused on this season when you come down to teams was if you'd like to restart.

Yeah. That's wasted. Then we saw Doc who kicked a ball. No, he didn't have... We saw Doc who kicked a ball away. And the referee... All in all... Just get the ball back for him, please. He's not having Doc who is he? No, but it was... Doc who's done some stuff. Kick the ball away, don't get...

I feel like no one's listening to me. I feel like that woman on The One Show, when she comes up with a great answer and they just take it and they say, oh, what a great idea. That's how I feel right now. But we're allowed to disagree with you. Yeah, but I'm saying you disagree with me, but I'm just saying don't take it where the fans can't feel how they feel because it means so much. No, it's the word corruption, I think, that was... Listen, I just want them... They should be able to feel how they feel.

And I don't mind he's been taken off for that one because I go with Wayne. Emotionally, he might not be right whether he's good or not. In some ways, to be fair, Arsenal were called soft for many years, if you remember. They're actually very streetwise. They're a tougher team now, so I would say it's a good thing because, you know, we...

We did something similar back in the day where there was a siege mentality around referees. We saw it with Martin O'Neill saying how you used to chase the referees. Absolutely. I don't think we can be against it. My point is that with social media now, I think it inflames it to a level which means the referee gets death threats. Back in the day, the referee never got death threats. Yeah, but we weren't sneaky like other teams. You know what I mean? I don't think we were sneaky like somebody on a team. Definitely not. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Skybest.

Last one United before Super 6 around Amarim's comments about Marcus Rashford. He's getting criticised everywhere isn't he? It's always the same reason this is the reason he was asked about why Marcus Rashford isn't playing it's always the same reason the training the way I see a footballer should do in life it's every day every detail as said Amarim when asked why Rashford was not available if things don't change I will not

change, which implies that he's not training well. It's the same situation for every player. If you do the maximum right things, we can use every player. You can see on the bench we miss a bit of pace, which says that he would like him on the bench, but I would put United's goalkeeping coach on Vital before a player who doesn't give their maximum every day. Is there any coming back for Marcus Rashford from that? I think if your manager said that about you... Can I say something? That is a sad indictment. You know what? It's sad, the whole situation with Marcus Rashford, how it started for him

and now where we are. He's got to leave, hasn't he? Honestly, if a manager says that about you, you're

It's about working and training. Even if he wants to leave, which he obviously does want to leave, surely there's people watching how you're actually performing. He should still be at least on the bench. But they do need to leave. They need to take a cut at some stage. He's probably going to need to take a cut. But what I'm saying is going into training and working is down to you as a professional, whether you're at United or wherever it is. That's on Marks. I went into Carlton...

Sunday to take my kids. My kids had games there. And Marcus, so the team playing that evening, Marcus was out on the team pitch with the fitness coach. But he was right over towards where the parents were walking past for the kids' games. I remember looking and I was thinking...

If that was me, he'd be there. It's a killer. How embarrassing is it that the parents are walking past? So it's all getting redone, so they're on the academy side and he's there and all the parents are walking past him. I can't even get involved in this conversation. I still can't understand at any level whatever's going on about a player leaving, he's got four years left, he's got four months left. A player who doesn't train properly. I don't understand it. You might as well leave me out of this conversation. I cannot understand how a player...

especially if you think I want to move you go well that's even more so to train properly so when you go to a new club you think well at least I'm still up to speed and when I leave the club will go at least he showed a decent attitude so all these things getting thrown at him he must be you've played with him by the way you've played with him and I hired him with England I never saw him as being a poor trainer when I was there and to be fair I saw him as someone who obviously was talented scored goals but are you surprised at this there's

So you're going to praise him for that, Gary? No, I was surprised. No, no, you're saying he wasn't... You're not supposed to be a fucking poor trainer. What I'm saying is why the change? Now, what's happened? I was surprised when this started over two years ago. I was surprised then. Now I'm not. I think... So I've spoke to Marcus a couple of times and I've given my thoughts, my opinion. I said, you need to leave the football club because whatever's going on in his life and whatever's going on

At Manchester United, he's not the same. It's not him. So for him to have a fresh start, he needs to leave the club. But I agree with Roy. The fact that your manager's coming out saying you're not saying right is crazy. It's bizarre. It's really... If that was... So when...

It's well known I asked Alex Ferguson to leave the club. I still come in and trained every single day and worked every single day. And then Ferguson came out of me about two months after I'd asked to leave.

And then, so managers do it at the right time as well when they need to get rid of a player as well, of course. And I got in scolds, he took me out, I got injured. And then that was Fergie's chance to come out and have a go at me and bring it all to the table. But I think with Marcus, it's been going on for two years and...

It's sad. It's really sad. But I like Amarim. I think this club's been crying out for this. Standards, high standards. He's come out here, he's set his stalls and I think that's what they need. This is what you've got to do to be in this club. Sanacho's shown you can actually come back because he's come back, he's starting games. But whatever the managers and club situation, all that stuff we're talking about,

all come from within that's not I don't care who the manager is I don't care what your circumstances are when you are in training this you might have issues going on with contracts or whatever it might be but when you go to train you must your pride at some stage must kick in it has to then you have your pride your personal pride but then forget the manager take the manager out of it if I'm coming in I'm thinking I've got Roy Keane there I've got Ryan Giggs Ryan Neville yeah

I want to show them that I deserve to be here. I want to show my teammates. I remember my time in and around that whole season with Rio because our conflict started in pre-season.

With Bruce Riyock? Yeah, with Bruce Riyock. And at no stage... Were you late? No, no. Absolutely not. No, I wasn't late. No, no, no, I weren't late. Not training and not putting in the right attitude to train never even crossed my mind. No. It doesn't even cross your mind. It's the worst thing you could be a team of. Imagine a teammate thinking you're lazy. Yeah. That would just... But if we heard on the grapevine that you were like that... Yeah. No, no, if we heard, like, I write it down, too, we'd be like... Yeah. Yeah.

You just wouldn't be able to get your head around it. Yeah, I think... Look, I know Amrim's...

I do believe he wants the money back for Marcus. I think he said that to probably shine a light on him and get him out of the club. Marcus hearing that, he's probably thinking... They're probably asking Marcus at this moment in time to take a wage cut to leave. They don't want to subsidise all the wages to a new club because there's no way a new club's going to pay that level of money. So I suspect it's a brutal blow on him to say, look, there's no future for you here, we need you out. And I suspect it's more of a business play as well as an honesty play. No, but I'll defend him for that bit.

He's under contract, Rashford. Yeah, absolutely. Don't be taking pay cuts. That's what will be going on. But you still train properly. That's what will be going on at the moment. Man United previous with that as well. We can criticise the player, but it's all right with Man United going, you can go, but you have to... No, no, no. I've signed a contract with you. Pay your way. United previous on that. They like getting rid of lads who've done all right for them and trying to go, we don't want under contract. You don't want under contract.

they can't do that with him either he's got to fight his corner for that where do you think he's going to go though I think he'll get a good club 300 a week I think he'll get a good club what's a good club I think he'll get a top club what like Barcelona or something so why isn't it done yet

Why isn't it done? I suspect it's about the money. I suspect it's about the money and there's a lot of money up today. Of course, that's part of every deal. But if these big clubs are out there and go, listen, are we going to trip ourselves up for it? Trying to save a hundred thousand a week or whatever. I just think it's really sad. It is sad. A local lad from Manchester. He's been there since he was nine. Unbelievable. I was at the academy presentation day with my kids the other day and they're talking about the history of the club and the academy and

talking about everything and you can feel it they're taking him on tours to all different places and Mark's on the videos when he's a little kid and then to see how it ends I know but I know it's a different I'm going to spin that around as well you go oh he's been there since he was nine what a great thing that's like a family your young lads go down to Man United every night and you get them out of the house brilliant

Right, that's the end of that. Yeah, but he deserves a respectful ending. We're getting kids out of the house now. That works for ways to get respect. You have to show respect. Right, Super 6. Jill, I love your nail varnish, by the way. Thank you. A beautiful colour, green. You've gone red, red. Jill's snot. Jill's...

You've turned us into a red. No, you haven't. You definitely haven't. I saw you at the women's game with Gary, to be fair. Oh, that was such a good day. It was very nice. Would you have wanted to come? You know what? We nearly picked you up, but I think you're in South Africa.

Oh, you were? Yeah. Oh, sorry, you went to Cape Town. We didn't discuss that at the beginning, did we? Was it good? Lovely. What did you do? My bag's in there for two days. Oh, I bet you were fuming. Did you bring the people up? Remember the show before we was talking about problems you get at airports? Was it personal? Did you get your bags together? Did you fall off? I paid someone to hide his bag. Do you know what happened when I was here? A couple of people called me when I'm around and I'm walking. People are shouting at me. They call me Mel.

Mel? Mel Gibson. That's true, but I was like... It's true. My wife's going, I think you're Mel Gibson. I was like... Yeah, but this is what I said as soon as you said Mel. I can see Mel Gibson in you. That's a condiment. It's better than Shrek, anyway. It's better than Shrek. It's better than Shrek.

That is a compliment. I get called Phil. What's happening, Bill? Super 6. Every Saturday in February, Super 6 will be rolling over their £250,000 jackpot, meaning it could reach a huge £1 million by the 22nd. Nothing to us. You can also compete against us in our mini-league using the code STFS6. Head over to the Super 6 app to make your predictions. Is this like an advert? Yes. Learning from the best. Last round, Gary...

Gary and Roy both scored this game. Both got four points each. Oh, not very good. So bad. So bad. Is that the week? Is that the week where you were not on? Oh, here he goes. We got four points. Here he goes. Here he goes. It's not a million miles away. Jill gets one, actually.

We're going for a controversial. I'm feeling this. Arsenal 3 sitting there. The reason you're up there is David Moyes. He'd had 20 points that one time. Moyes came in there. We fancy Arsenal strongly, yeah. Did you speak to each other then? We just had a little chat, yeah. We just make our decision. That's thrown you, hasn't it?

Such boldness. Such boldness. And can I just say as well that I mentioned about Marmoush, what a player he's going to be. He looked really good. What are we doing with this, Jill? Sorry, this game this weekend? Yeah.

You're doing it aren't you? Sunday 4.30 Oh they don't put you at Arsenal anymore? No Like to Michael Oliver I got some debt threats Oliver watched it from home It's because Wayne's back and you're doing it I couldn't do it Wayne's back so he's doing it Can we do two one arse? He's taking over me He'd be like boys we're all going to fall out Two one arse

Well done, Righty. Well done, pal. I'm just trying to get on. Well done, Righty. Bournemouth, Liverpool. Oh, that's an interesting one, I'm not feeling that. Saturday, three o'clock. Come on. No, no, I'm keeping hold of it. No, no, no, Bournemouth. He loves Bournemouth. I'm going to let Righty lead on this because you have been told about Bournemouth. They've got Europe this week, but he's resting them all, isn't he, for Liverpool? He's resting nine of them, isn't he? Come on. Two of it. I'll probably... Liverpool win that, I think.

Do you? I do, yeah. Big score. No, no, no. You don't think? You've never, you've always gone Bournemouth. You've got to go now. You've got to go Bournemouth now. No, don't listen to him. Liverpool in this current climate are in, we're going for it. 3-1. Yeah, man or a mouse. What do we reckon? Righty. Bournemouth will score. 3-1. 2-1 to Bournemouth. 2-1 to Bournemouth. Oh!

2-1 Liverpool. I'm going to always back Bournemouth. Oh, 2-1 Bournemouth. 2-1 Liverpool. 2-1 Liverpool, OK. Love that. Yeah, I would have gone Liverpool. Newcastle-Fulham. Wow. Three o'clock. They have the cup game a few days later, don't they? Is there a cup game the final few days? Wednesday. Wednesday night against Arsenal. It's you, isn't it? It's your guy, yeah. Oh, is it us? Yeah. Oh, it is us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry.

Nothing bad. You can't see Newcastle not winning. At home. Are we going 3-1? It's very tough. 3-1. Not for boom. 3-1. Not for boom. What about like a 1-0?

To who? Newcastle. No, I'm keeping out of it. No, I'm keeping out of it. No, I'm keeping out of it. Let's all three of us keep out of it. Let's all three. Come on, Jill, what do you think then? Let's leave him out of it. This is a defeated team, this. It's a beaten team. It's sharing leadership. It's the leader showing us that... See, that's what you want to do. You want all the power. You have to share the power. Yeah, but this is killing you, though, isn't it? Gary wants all the power. It's true. It's killing you. Yeah. Jill, what do you think? It's killing Roy. Horror and control. I remember you used to say that.

Newcastle 2-0. 2-0, yeah. 2-0. 2-0. 2-0. Aren't you here? 2-0, no. Do you know after every answer that you gave in that last 45, 50 minutes, you said, I know I've done a lot worse. You should just insert that in as a little subtitle after each one. Even when you mentioned Katie McCabe, I've done that. A lot worse. No, but I managed to come on after, so you shouldn't have done that. I couldn't comment on that. This is David Moyes' Everton as well. To a tree. Yeah, every day.

What do you think? Go on, you do it. Go on, Roy, go on. Everton 2-0. Oh, I knew he was listening. Did you have that? Yeah. We can do the same. We can't go the same. We've gone for home wins. Look at us. Yeah, but this is the one Villa. 3-0. 3-0 Everton.

Wow. Big on Villa. Villa. It's kind of a derby in a way, isn't it? Villa. It is a derby. It's us, is it? No, it's us. No, it's us. It's your goal. Yeah, I'm just doing a little one. We're going Villa. We're going 1-1. Yeah, I was going to say 1-1. 1-1. Oh, it's got to be a 4-0 win. 4-0, will you? Villa. Yeah, we're going Villa to win that one. Like a 3-1? Villa, oh dear. Villa, yeah. Yeah, I'm going Villa. Yeah, Villa. Villa, 2-1.

3-1? Yeah. 3-1. 3-1. Let's go 3, because we've done a lot of 2s at the moment. Only what can touch it? Brentford. Brentford Spurs. Now, what do you think? You lose to Leicester at home, and then you're going to Brentford. We might as well just toss this butter...

it's a tails you can go up with scores but I think Brentford would beat them do you I think they would home set pieces balled back into the box yeah I suppose if a couple of lads back I suppose if a couple of lads back yeah if they got players back do you know I was going to say about Spurs before by the way what was madness when you talk about sports scientists they brought Romero and Van de Ven back in that game I can't remember what was the game

centre-half, they were early. And they both went off after 30 minutes and six minutes, we've not seen them since. They brought them back too early, I think Hamstring was one of them. That's where sports scientists earn the call, where they go into the manager, you can't play these today. We're not to play. Do you think there's a link, though, between Tottenham's injuries and how much, because aren't they doing so many more sprints than any other Premier League club? They do run, I think, further than most. What game did Van de Ven and Romero get brought back

in I was doing the game Chelsea Chelsea yeah Chelsea game in fairness saying that what's the score I'm going to go Brentford Brentford go on Roy I'm sorry Ange I think Brentford have beaten them like 3-1 again I want Tottenham Brentford scored 2-0 then

You undermined him. You undermined him. He went 3-1. No, no, 2-1. I think Tottenham will score. That's what happens. 2-1. 2-1. 2-1 Spurs, yeah? I actually want Tottenham to win purely for... No, 2-1 Brentford. We'll go 2-1 Tottenham. See, that's a fraudulent... No, wait a minute, Ben. That's a fraudulent slip. Let's go 2-1 to Brentford. All right. 2? To Spurs. Yeah, because I want them to win. Thank you.

I'm not over the place. Yeah, do you know what? I felt... Thank you, Roy. That's leadership. Letting somebody come through and do... Double bluffed him. You've been a good captain, Nadir. You know what? If we only get one right, I think it's that one. We'll go Brentford now, 2-1. OK.

You're rubbish. Thank you very much. I do think Spurs got a chance there. I hope so. I hope so for Andrew. I want him to hang in there so he can fulfil his prophecy of winning in his second year a trophy. Come on, Andrew. MUSIC

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