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Yeah, brilliant. Brilliant. But Erling is really good. Yeah, good, aren't they? They're cheap. Yeah, yeah. I remember the other day. I was in Ireland. I was in Cromlin. No, no, no. I went to a boxing match. Right, community questions. Who is the greatest combined player-manager of all time? Gary, are you not on there?

When did this Loverbush being seen start? It's like something happened over the last two years. He's like posting on his Instagram like he loves him. I got mentioned Teddy Sherman. Teddy's score's beautiful. Ah, because he's from London. You know what I've never seen? Doctor Who. What is it? No.

I screamed it and shouted it. He just snapped. Did Phil get involved? Did Phil come in like Scrappy-Doo? Yeah, but you're driving a fast. It's like being on the M6. Antiques Roadshow. What? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Everybody needs to hear what you've just said. The worst refereeing decision you've ever seen. Maradona. Do you reckon he'd definitely handle that? LAUGHTER

Who is the greatest combined player-manager of all time? Carlo Ancelotti, Pep Guardiola, Luis Enrique, Johan Cruyff, Kenny Dalglish, Zinedine Zidane, Brian Clough. They're the ones that have been named here. Who?

I said Ancelotti first, yeah. That's a really tough question. That's a tough one. Brian Clough's career as a player compared to these. Jesus. Brian Clough's a brilliant manager. He's scored loads of goals. What he did as a manager, though. As a manager, yeah. I'm going to go for Johan Klopp.

I think Johan Cruyff is... We always say you don't need the best managers and the best players. Cruyff's probably in the top five or six players to have a play. I think what he did as a manager, but what he sort of implemented at Barcelona, the whole... I think that goes to a different realm. I think Cruyff is probably the number one person in football across the whole... You think so? Yeah, I just think... When I think of, say, Pelé and Maradona, I think they would... Obviously, I didn't see these players play, but they're probably seen as being above a Cruyff.

But you couldn't imagine Maradona or Pelé being a manager, couldn't you? I just think Cruyff's understanding of football. He must have an unbelievable footballing brain. Yeah, I just think when you hear him speak and you see videos. To have that vision and bravery to go and put that in a team or in a club, in DNA, that's still there today. I remember watching the 74 World Cup when he was under so much pressure to be the guy.

And in the first 12 minutes, he blast passed Bertie Volts, got the penalty. I think if Holland win that, because they got to that final in the 78, I think it would have been even different. Could you imagine? You know what? I was going to say, obviously, what Zidane's done. Beckenbauer? Is Beckenbauer? Beckenbauer should be on there. Beckenbauer should be on there. He should, yeah. Gary, are you not on there? You know something? No.

No, it's good. Beckenbauer's a good one. That's a really good question. Hey, Beckenbauer's a good one. What would you want more? When you're younger, do you want to be a great player or a great manager when you're growing up? Great player. It's about playing, isn't it? You don't think about managing until you get to it. I think it's harder to be a great manager than a great player. Yeah, I agree. You think about it, there's only a few managers. No, there's not. But there's only a few great managers. If you think about it, there's only a few managers get to the very top. Yeah. Ever, you know what I mean? You're talking about one or two in each country.

It's a really good question that. I met Cruyff when, you know the 2006 World Cup when the family's hotel. Zidane. I remember I was there one afternoon and Cruyff was there and I remember just speaking to him not speaking, I just bumped into him a couple of minutes. I probably didn't have a clue who I was to be honest but it's one of those things I always regret that I didn't almost just, not annoy him but you know just like. No, I had a good time with him. I'm having half an hour with you and you're not moving. You know what I mean? I'll play golf with him. So you got him in a headlock? Yeah.

That's what we do. I played for France and his missus. You played golf with them? Yeah. Did you? Yeah. He was the one who said to me about being a coach. Because I said, yeah, but I ain't got the badge. He said, you don't need a badge. Well, he won as a manager. Sit in a stand. Other people do it if you want to. You don't need a badge to tell people how you can play, how to play football. Who said that? Sorry, who said that? Kroy said that, yeah. That's like when I first met you, I was just like, you probably won't remember, but I was like, tell us everything about Sunderland. And I just like kept you there about an hour. Wow.

I can't believe that did I give you the time no way I can't believe you gave me the time yeah you did you were actually really nice I was like tell us the stories and yeah I can't believe that three Champions Leagues I know is that a manager or a player what did it it's a manager

Wonder World Cup was a player I've won, wasn't it? Yeah, he's such a good player. Pep's got to be up there. But I like Beckenbauer, especially when the European Cup, they won it three times on the Spanish, remember? Remember Ajax done it as well, but Beckenbauer has got to be way up there. He won as a manager, didn't he? Yeah, yeah. 1990, wasn't it?

Beckenbauer's a player. I'm trying to think, is there more satisfaction than when you win? It's easier to be a better player than a better manager because obviously a lot of stuff's out of your control. But if you win something as a manager, that's satisfaction for everyone at the club and staff. Do you think that's a better feeling? I think as a manager, probably. Do you? Yeah, I would imagine it would be. And a lot of it, when you're a manager, obviously, again, it's like relief. Because you're depending on people, right? Absolutely. How many championships has Ancelotti won? As a manager? As a manager, five.

Six? Yeah. Five or six? As a manager. As a manager. Has he won it with three different clubs? Or something? He's won it with... He's won it with AC Milan. Against us. No, he won it twice with AC Milan. And how many times? Five altogether. And as a player? As a player? As a player. Twice. He won it as a player. 89 and 90. How many times? 20 years apart. Twice as a player. Twice as a player. I tell you what. OK, he wins.

He's really starting to go. Was he a great player, Ancelotti? Can you remember? Yeah, Redfield. And Ancelotti's the opposite in some ways of the sort of Cruyff-Guardiola model whereby he's not so fixed in terms of his style. That's what I love about him. I do. No, but I love that about different managers. You don't have a Brian Clough, different personality, different traits. When you hear about managers going, I put my arm around players, other managers go, I've nothing to do with it. They keep their distance. It's amazing what works for certain people. I think what Cruyff left, if I'm going to go with Cruyff or Beckham, I'll go with Cruyff.

I'm going to go with Cruyff. The thing I... It's the influence on the game. Yeah. Yeah. You're going with Cruyff. He fell out with Ajax, didn't he? He went back when he was, what, 34? He went back for a year with Ajax. I had a fallout when I was leaving then. Went to the biggest rivals, Feyenoord, won the double at Feyenoord. You've seen the World Cup as well, 74, where he wouldn't wear Adidas, he just took the stripe off and he had two. Gangster. Yeah.

Gangster move. So does Fife win? You can't say that about your sponsor. No, but in the same time. What is that? Is that for law? Is that Bellingham? Is that Bellingham stuff? Is that the velvet Bellingham? He was mascot. What if they send me the gear? I'm going to wear the gear, am I? I mean, it's a nice... Did you like it in the green? It is a nice jacket, actually. I said it was nice. We're moving on. Rank the following sports one to five. We've got to get to a collective position on this. So it's cricket, snooker, F1, golf, tennis.

Cricket's at the bottom. Oh, it's not. Oh, Gary's got 100. Come on, Gary. I do like tennis. I'm not having cricket at the bottom of that. I do like tennis. I'd put F1 at the bottom. You're not seeing Drive to Survive? I am. Are you saying which ones we like to watch on the TV? I think we'll just say which ones we like. Go on, say them again. Cricket, snooker, F1, golf, tennis.

I like tennis when you watch it live. Would you sit at home and watch the F1? Yeah. Now I would. Now we're driving to survive, I would. Not necessarily the race, all that goes on around it. I'm interested in that. I'd watch the Saturday race and the end of it, but I don't think I'd sit and watch the whole thing. Golf the top? For me, yeah. What, the best? Out of the five? Tennis.

I'm not going to tell you. Go for me. I'm not a lover of tennis. Go for me. Was it at US Open last year, the tennis? Yeah. Where was it, Reidy? Where was it? Where was the American tennis, the big final in... Springs. Did you go? I went. It was brilliant, I have to say. It was a good experience. Where's the place again? It's a conch.

Anyone support me on snooker being at the bottom? Snooker being at the bottom? Yeah. Not if it's Ronnie. Honestly, no, no, no. Have you been? Have you been to the embassy? I have been. It's good. You know what? I like snooker as well, but is it at the bottom of those five sports? It's not at the bottom of those because the skill involved in that is amazing. Cricket team. But the skill in every sport is amazing. Tennis at the bottom then? No. No.

I'm going cricket at the bottom. Cricket at the bottom. Free. No way. I'm going with my team. Devastating. I'm going cricket at the bottom. How can you watch a match for four days and it be a fucking draw? You know what I mean? Or five days. People spend half their... But that's endurance and concentration. People spend a fortune to go and watch a match. Oh, it's raining. The game's off.

It's raining. The game's cancelled. I love cricket, but that is a great point. The weather stuff is a joke. The weather. All the lads sitting there eating sandwiches at the players. We haven't got the weather for cricket. They all come out and end it out at the first ball. That's why the Indians are so great. They've got the weather for it. I feel bad. Cricket five. Okay, cricket's at the bottom, unfortunately. I don't agree. F1 has to be next. F1 next, anyone? Support that? We've got F1 tennis. Use that cricket. Let us have F1 next. I'm not happy. I feel like you need to go to the F1, though.

Golf at the top. Can we go golf top? I don't think it's amazing. Golf's good every few months, the last day, and if it's close. But you don't watch it Thursday, Friday and Saturday, do you? No. You watch it on the final day. So what do you want to go top? Because this is what you need to do. You need to start watching it from the first day to realise the pressure that's building on these guys. You know what? I'll just score that up and then it's... I know you don't love any of them, but you've got to rank them. I know.

So basically, we've got cricket at the bottom, unfortunately. Are we going F1 next or are we going snooker next? I'm not happy about... Snooker. See, I love snooker. If the Rockets play in a minute, you've got to watch. Do you think it's a skillful to play snooker? Very skillful. Not all skillful. Or playing golf. Watch things more pressure. If you do it like that, imagine playing cricket and someone bowling fast at you. That would be... You'd just get out of the way.

Imagine 150, 200 miles an hour going round a crack. F1 for risk is the highest. But then it is just driving a car, isn't it?

Yeah, but it's not just driving a car. Yeah, but you're driving fast. It's like being on the M6. It's the level of... It's the level of meticulism. It's exactly like that. People who drive in the middle lane. Oh, my God. You know what it is with F1? It's the margins. It's the margins. I mean, most people have an argument with people in the outside lane. You're having arguments with people in the inside lane. In the middle lane.

So who are we doing after? Sorry, we've gone cricket. You know what? I'm not even bothered. Just hurry up and do it. Let's do it. That's what I'm trying to. Why don't we just put golf one? Just put them anyway. I'm going to snooker two. Ten tennis.

Golf 1. Right, Golf 1. Golf 1, cricket bottom. Next after golf, we're going... Snooker. Snooker. Yeah. Are you? Really? I'm not sure about that. Tennis. Yeah, tennis, yeah. Tennis. OK, tennis. We're going golf, tennis, snooker, F1, cricket. Cricket should not be at the bottom of that. So sorry to anyone who plays cricket. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Skybest.

What's the one film everyone should have watched? One film? Oh, erm... The Prestige. Ever? The Prestige. Have you watched it yet? Is that the magician one? The magician. I think I have seen it. I'm going to go Braveheart. Are you talking about ever? Yeah. I've never heard of that. I do not. Watch it. Kristen Bell. I can't even feel it. Someone hasn't heard of it. It's the best film ever. No, not the best film ever. I think I've seen it. I think you have to watch it. You've got to watch it. The Star Is Born.

I haven't seen that. Chill out, girl. Shawshank Redemption is a... Oh, what a movie. Shawshank Redemption. I've seen that in theatre. Shawshank, Braveheart. Dumb and Dumber. Dumb and Dumber. Usual Suspects. Did you look at them? Usual Suspects. The Prestige. The Prestige, right, OK. I fancy having a film that hardly people know, Jill. I know, but that's why you need to watch it. Is it just out now? No, it's been out for years. What's the one album everyone should have listened to? Exeter. Sgt Pepper. I'm going to go Born in the USA, Bruce Springsteen. Of course you are.

When did this love of Bruce Springsteen start? It's like something happened over the last two years. He keeps posting on his Instagram. Everything's like, Bruce Springsteen, I'm so in love with him. Walking around in all black gear. Over the last two years. Exodus. LAUGHTER

Are you going to the co-op stadium? Michael Jackson, Thriller. Michael Jackson, Thriller. Album. Fleetwood Mac. Rumours. Rumours, Fleetwood Mac. Bob Marley. I've got Bob Marley. Thriller. Thriller. I'm a different generation. Just one. Take that greatest hits. Come on, Jill. Take that greatest hits. The Beatles, Sajan, Pepper's Lonely Hearts. I like Take That. Okay. What's the one book everyone should have read?

50 Shades of Grey. Big Junk's autobiography. What did you say? Big Junk's book. Big Junk's autobiography. Book.

Book. In Sunderland, book. I read a book and I laughed at it. It was so good. I enjoyed that. Was that a good film? Good one. It's good. One good book. I'll tell you what's just come to me. Simon Jordan's autobiography I read about, I don't know, 10, 15 years ago was very good but very funny as well. He was very honest about it. Really? Yeah, he was good. Jordan? Or Simon? Yeah. LAUGHTER

Jordan's side. I'll go for the one that got away, Chris Ryan. It was a war one about a guy who escaped. Who's Chris Ryan? You've seen that one? The one that got away.

He basically... Are you talking about something like not football related? He got detached from his... It can be. It's a book. It can be any book. I can't read stuff that's not football. I find it really hard. Can you not? Are you just completely football, like everyday football? No, but I mean, I find it hard to read something that's a bit... You know, I want the information so I can use it. I don't want to just...

So every day is a learning day? That's right. Every day is a school day. You know what I read? It's not the book, but the book I read the last one, it was The Siege, the Iranian embassy thing. It was... It's one of those... Have you seen that? Yeah. You haven't! LAUGHTER

Here I am. Honestly, tell me about it. What happened to you? About the Iranian embassy. When they raided the Iranian embassy, took people hostage. Yeah, yeah. It's just one of those that, because I remember watching it when I was a kid, when it was on the news. So you watched it while you read about it? Not because you read about the actual people and what they were doing. It was really deep. Have you ever read The Chimp Paradox?

I think I have read it, yeah. It did help us. How can you think you've read something? How do you forget a name like that? I tried to read that book. I did. I had a gorilla on my shoulders. Put that down. You probably got the chimp on everyone's shoulder. OK, what's harder to win, the Premier League or Champions League? Champions League. This is an age-old question. Champions League. Simple.

Simple, there you go. You need that consistency. Liverpool have won the league 20 times, won the European Cup six times. Man United have won the league 20 times. They've won the European Cup three times. No teams have won the European Cup more than their own league. Listen, what I'm saying is there's no difference between this and the Champions League. Six or seven teams can... How many teams can... Potentially six or seven teams can get in the Champions League this year, isn't there? Depending on... Five, six teams, yeah.

A Real Madrid fan would probably say that. There's one opportunity, Jamie, for teams to win the Champions League, but of course it's hard, obviously. You'd probably say that. What's the best celebration of all time? Oh, do you know which one I loved? I can't remember what team it was, but when they did that bike. Can you remember? No.

I think he was saying like Tardelli or something. Yeah, yeah. Jimmy Bullards with... Yeah, I liked that one. I hated that. That was foolishness. No, I liked that. Sorry, Jimmy. Tardelli in the water. Marco Tardelli. Marco Tardelli. The veins popping out of his arm. Crying in his neck. Beautiful. I thought you meant like... Tardelli. The Cantona one was good. Cantona when he stood there like that. Yeah, that was good. The Tardelli one was pure emotion. 5-0, do you know what I mean?

Pure emotion, Tardelli. Watching that one. Like Lee's jumping over the advertising. Yeah, yeah. Wembley. I love what Wembley is doing on the slide and the grass isn't worked. When Mick Harford stood on all those people doing the celebration. Tardelli? Anyone? No way I'm not dissing that. Tardelli, Marco. I'm saying the bike. Marco. Oh, right. Sorry. I thought you were still talking. What's the most underrated TV show ever?

Friends. It's not underrated. Underrated. Dallas. Dallas? Jesus, he's gone back there. Is Dallas underrated? Do you ever watch the IT crowd, anybody? I've heard of it. It's funny. What is it about? It's funny. What's it about?

two guys who walk through some computers in an office with their dogs on their face and they're like, what? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You can't say something like that when other people are talking. Everybody needs to hear what you've just said. Antiques Roadshow Underrated. That is one of those shows that if you put on, you're losing the will to live, aren't you? Actually,

If you're in a room and someone's older and you're a kid in antique and you think, oh, what can I give you the remote? Get this off. It reminds us of being ill on a school day. It's a Sunday, 8 o'clock Sunday night. If you get home from Super Sunday or if you're not working... You watch it? Yeah. Gal, you know something? Does it just switch off? Do you know something? I watch very few television programmes, but that is one I can watch. Yeah, because maybe you find it relaxing. I just watch it, I can escape. Of course, I get that. It's interesting, someone's brought a relic from sort of like 1926 or...

1742. I love this about you. I love that you do that. I like watching sometimes, I think it's on about half five on ITV4, Minder. I love that. The 18. The dinner's been made behind him. You know when I was the Minder, I always remember that, we met at school. He said, your dad reminds me of Arthur Daly. LAUGHTER

I know it's not underrated, but the one for me is that I cannot, if I'm flicking through it, I can't not, there's only Fools and Orphans. Everyone loves that. That's what I'm saying. I don't know what's underrated. Fawlty Towers is not underrated. Fawlty Towers. Oh, I used to love that.

I used to like Bottom. Can you remember Bottom? Yeah. On a Friday. Only fools. Yeah, only fools. You know what I used to watch? No, you have to watch The Office. Oh, The Office. The Office is amazing. You know what I've never seen? Doctor Who. Oh, no, I haven't. I haven't seen that. What is it? I can't watch anything in the future or anything that's not real. Well, we can tell. You just like relics from 1742. Anything in the past, though. No.

No, anything from the future, that's futuristic. Yeah, I can't do that. I like keeping up appearances.

Remember that? We sort of like Friends because it used to be on a Friday night, didn't it? Columbo. Oh, I love Friends. Yeah, Columbo's a good one. Columbo was great. I'm watching still now. On a plane. One more thing. One more thing. Anyway. I like Columbo. Yeah, I like Columbo. Yeah. We'll go with Columbo. Right, okay, we're finishing on Columbo. Columbo. What are you going to say? One more thing. One more thing. No.

You know, that was good about Colombo because the people, every week, treating him like an idiot, and then he just twists them around and then he does the, oh yeah. And remember that bit about, anyway, I've got to go. And then they're like, oh, fuck it, oh Jesus, he's got us. What kind of, man, we did crappy.

yeah that shit like it's I don't know how do you remember the beige mask right yes it was a little that kind of yes oh sorry have you got an item that you would take on the antique roadshow Gary are they serious about the antique roadshow do you know something it was brilliant when they take on the war medals or the old watches or just have you got anything what about the people who come on and they are excited about it and he says that's actually it's worth fuck all yeah 42 quid yeah

So you watch it all and then say... That's more than expected. They always say that. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Skybest.

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In the world? Yeah, it's the best five goal catalogue. Letizia has got to be in there, right? Henri, Messi, they must be on the opposite. I'd probably like to see Luis Suarez's top five.

Bergkamp, righty. Bergkamp, yeah. That one at all. Scolzi. Scolzi, Bolling. Scolzi, let's do your top five now. Let's do Scolzi's top five. Get on with it, Scolzi. That wasn't the question. That wasn't the question. You eat, right. Chip at least. Scolzi's top five. Barcelona, semi-final. That was a miscick. No.

Can I just miss kick if you went in from 30 yards? You said importance. How can you? Sorry, which one? I'm going Barcelona. I'm going Villa away is the best. It's not your best goals, though, is it? Villa away is the best. Yeah, fair enough. Is it the best goal or the best team? Bradford away. Yeah. Bradford away. Barcelona, Bradford, Villa. I like the header against City. I love that. Didn't you have a good one for England? One for England? No, it was... I'm sure you scored two.

There's one at Middlesbrough. Middlesbrough? I pass it to you. Yeah, Middlesbrough. Did he make your cross look good? That's an assist. That's actually an assist now we know. You know something? If I'm going to be totally honest, straight off the top of the head, with all the players that we can choose, I would go with Letizia.

I know you have the greatest goals even when I think back now I think it was on the other day I saw some Latif's goals what about my top 5 yeah they're unbelievable unbelievable my top 5 what's your top 5 a lot of people would have a good top well

I'm trying to think top five top five you know when you were shooting you should have lengthened your stride Elizabeth a little bit short your stride you scored against Middlesbrough at home I tell you I seen Scorsese when I was watching clips Glenn Hoddle

he had some great goals Cristiano must have some I mean what I'm saying is those who was the one who scored against Porto Cristiano's best ever goal in Roma the header or against United in the Champions League for Real Madrid the header the jump and the leap Gareth Bale Gareth Bale's top five worst cross ever I don't know about Gareth Bale's top five

Yeah. Right, we're going to put... Everyone's top five. Gerrard, Gerrard. We're going to put a top five out there. Yeah, all right, to be fair. I've probably just had five, though. Bale. Letizia. Letizia?

Who's got the best top five out of Bale, Letizia? We're going to set a competition. So just get these five goals. Henri. Henri. Did he beat the Spurs from the halfway line? Olivier Giroud has been mentioned. Can I just ask a question? He's done a few flicks. Is it like best goals or the magnitude of the game? Let's not overanalyse it. No, Jill, just the greatness. Just the greatness of the goal. What about Gazza? Let's not add half an hour to this show, girl. Gazza. Gazza. He must have some goals. Gazza's got a couple of goals.

Everyone would have a good top five. Gary, I bet you've got a good top five. Matthews. Matthews got a few. Oh, Matthews. He's won against Spain. He's a kick against Spain. Rooney, we haven't even mentioned Wayne. I can't believe you didn't mention him.

You know what else? No, that's a good one. I've got to mention Teddy Scherner. Teddy scores beautifully. Ah, because he's from London. Teddy. The bear. Teddy Bear. Name one of Teddy's good goals. Name one. Off the top of your head. I remember there was one against Southampton. Beautiful flick. Where it came across and then he had to chip it back. Chips it to his left foot. Beautiful goal. Alright, two. Name another one, quick.

I think he's got a beautiful head. Right, right. No, but Teddy's scored some great goals. He did score lovely goals. Bruno's got some decent ones. Okay, the worst refereeing decision you've ever seen in your... Why are we doing this? In our life. The worst refereeing decision you've ever seen. What's the worst refereeing decision you've ever seen? Ever. Yeah.

Roy Carroll over the line oh god yes that's more the linesman no but it's more the linesman yeah you're right I was trying to think of someone else sorry the ball was over the line it was miles over the line it was like about that far over I give Roy credit for like knocking it away with it yeah brilliant yeah erm

Worst reference? Is the Thierry Henry one be Ireland or something? Like a handball? Yeah, the handball, yeah. Let's not bring that up. Yeah, but is that the... What about Maradona? Get the Irish back on him. Maradona? Maradona, yeah. Do you reckon he'd definitely handle that? LAUGHTER

But if you're a shilt him, you should get him. Do you know what I mean? I love the way he's shilting. He's got marathoners. That's got to be the worst one. It has to be the worst one. It has to be. It's the way he done it. You know what? Even if there was far now, they'd probably look at it 20 times. Scores you. Scores you. Oh, you cheat. Scores you. Scores you. Against who? I haven't got a son off.

Was he one of these? I just couldn't quite reach so I fucking punched her. Was it Gabby's cross you couldn't reach? You know what? Remember Frank Lampard in the World Cup? Yeah, 2010. Against Germany. Germany. No, that wasn't over the line. God chance. No.

What was the final score? That was so bad. It wasn't. That was so bad. Can we put it up, please? Were you not playing? It was a yard away. No, no. Was the goalkeeper sent off for the high? Oh, Battistone. Was that against Battistone? No, no. Schumacher. Schumacher. No. That's got the worst. Play on. Play on. That's got the worst. And it's Schumacher or Maradona. Well, it's Maradona. That's a great question, though.

Yeah, exactly. Right, next question. Pep Guardiola claimed that Mateus Nunez isn't smart enough to be a midfield player so he's a right-back. Are midfield players smarter than defenders? Yeah. We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. You did both a bit, really, didn't you? Yeah.

No, no it is. It's a bit harsh. You're a decision-making place where obviously defenders are always facing the ball. Defenders to stop players playing, basically. Are you talking about technically being more gifted here to accept the ball in midfield? A bit of everything. Are you talking about organising and reading the game? Yeah, a bit of everything. Well, that obviously comes into the package of being a midfielder, of course.

If you're a defender, you're stopping people from playing. If you're doing a coaching topic tomorrow and the topic you get is to stop teams playing, it's quite easy. We're just praising players for the last hour, players who can go past people. You're just smarter in different ways, aren't you? I think defenders have to be smart because they're stopping the most talented players on the pitch from playing. It's very rare that as a defender you play against someone that you're better than at football that you're not.

because they're better than you, because that's why they're a forward. They're usually quicker than you. They're usually, to be fair, just quicker than you, more skilful than you. So you have to be really smart as a defender to stop that player playing. Whereas in midfield, I do think you're not... You have to be intelligent, but your technical ability usually is the one that's like...

You get a lot less time. I'm just saying, I'm just thinking of intelligence of defenders versus midfielders. I think you have to be, as a midfielder, you have to know more because you're dealing with the defence and the strikers, but you can't not throw in strikers intelligence here. The hardest part of football is scoring goals, without a doubt.

Thank you. The question is about being intelligent to be their defender. I think, yeah, midfielders have to be a bit more smarter. I'd probably go with midfielders, but like... Quicker thinking, I think. It's not great defenders. You've got to make sure that you can make the move when the midfielder's got the ball and the midfielder's got to make sure he makes the move when you've made the run. It has to be the midfielder, but I think the striker's got to get some love for intelligence up there as well. Pep has an idea what he's talking about, doesn't he?

There's more midfielders that go out to right-back than right-backs go out into midfield. Trent, great example. Trent went into midfield for England. I know it's harsh to throw a lad in international football and in the Euros he couldn't get near anybody. He didn't fail through his smartness or intelligence. He failed through purely the fact that he ultimately had no idea. The lack of it. That might be smartness and intelligence. I watched Casado last Sunday. He had to be hooked off from midfield.

right back in the end because in the end they were getting down his side all the time at the end so they had to be but Gareth Hoke said he'd spoke to Trent and they spoke about it in their chats and all this and they said they thought he could try it but he was proper lost not in there where you went yeah he'd done okay he was taken off I was hard on him throwing him in there in some important matches especially the way England were playing at the time what was it

by the time he came on, what was that, our second midfield or third midfield? You do get lost though when you play a different position when you're used to like, because didn't you sometimes go out left for England? No, but did you feel a bit lost sometimes? Not so much on the left, I've done that for United, I remember playing in front of Gaz once, remember? Right wing, right side. Yeah, no good luck. Good disaster, wasn't it? Oh yeah. Yeah.

you nick away wouldn't it I thought you could just feel the disappointment behind you know what I mean you stopped shouting at me you were on right winger inside right I'm just saying an example of when I played on left I didn't mind on the left you were at a winger just inside a little bit but on the right I don't know it was just fucking different weird

But Wazza says that. Wazza said that. And Danny Welbeck used to say that when he used to put them on the right wing, sometimes the boss would move them to the right wing, wouldn't they? They just didn't like it at all. But put them on the left wing, they were fine. How do you get on with people moving? They said with Vision, I think. Do you remember? Was it Mazer?

who played right back he got tested by the girl, Miguel used to come in so he couldn't see out of his left eye he couldn't see in the pit, David May he's playing right back he kept passing it to his fucking mate I had to have sessions I had to have sessions on that peripheral vision and we were in a room and the woman was like can you see us and I was like yeah without turning your head it was all about like vision music

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Right, what's the worst training round bust-up you've ever seen? I can't think of one really.

He's got to be involved. No, no, no. Remember you and Ray? You and Ray... I remember that. That was brilliant. Did Ray go and get his studs on or something? Who's Ray? I think Ray went down. Nevin Ray had a bit of a bust up. Did Phil get involved? Did Phil come in? Phil came to protect him. Oh, that's nice. That's nice. Like Scrappy Doo. Raymond had rubbers on and he went and got his studs on to come and have a fight. Get a grip. Yeah.

Jesus. It wasn't really a big one, though. I remember you kicking Quinny once. Did I? And he kicked me. Yeah, but that's kicking, that's not fighting. I think the worst I saw was at West Ham. Yeah, I know. Oh, John Artson. Kyle Berkovich and John Artson. Oh, yeah. Being right there. And you know what?

Even when I think of it, it's not... People were laughing and they were like, when they saw it. If he doesn't catch his... If his foot doesn't catch that bit of his chest first, I think he kicks his head off. It was crazy because, like... And you know what as well? With that West Ham group of lads I was with, so crazy. So that happens. I think all what happens is Arberkovich... They had a little scuffle and John laid it off and I does one of them little kicks in the back. Yeah.

And, like, John pushed it. He fell. And John went... Honestly, I was like, wow, that was so close. And then, it's really weird because you've got Radak and Monka and everybody. The first thing they went was, you all right, Johnny? It was like... I was like, his head nearly got kicked off.

That is the worst I'd ever seen. That wasn't good. That is the worst I'd ever seen. Like little bust-ups, that's going to happen. But that was horrible. That was horrible. You're right. When I watch it, if he doesn't kick his chest first, he probably does something. There was never any fisting. I've never seen one punch being thrown on our training pitch in 20 years that I was there. I don't think of one punch. In the youth team, I did. In the youth team, remember? Yeah, I saw. Yeah, in the youth team, a couple of times.

I can't remember. Proper punches. Proper punches. What about the women? Do the women kick off? Yeah, sometimes. The only one I had was with a manager. Not like a fight, but yeah. But you know one of them where you're arguing and then you walk off and they're like, gel, gel, like really shouting, but you've really committed to this walk. And I just went.

Oh, do you? But why didn't you turn around? Could there be trouble, you mean? No, I just didn't like what he was saying and I just went, yeah. And then I was leaving the training ground and got a knock on the window as if to be like, you've got to come back in. But yeah. But it wasn't a fight. Right. But there is little bits, like someone two-foots you, you get mad, don't you? Yeah. You and Rude? Rude came from a mate in Middlesbrough. Did he? Yeah. What, like proper? Yeah.

He didn't get to me in the end. He sort of like... What was the idea? People jumped in between. I don't know. Middlesbrough away. What was the score? I don't know.

I don't know. I had this thing about... Was you going on at him? No, it was. You were moaning at him, weren't you, for not showing that pass? I was moaning quite a bit around that time. That pass, he was. To be honest with you, it was something that... It was brewing. I'm sure it was brewing. It was for a couple of years, basically. It wasn't rude to fault, you know, in some ways. But we used to play... We went from playing two up top, which meant you always had someone to be able... You didn't like rude, did you? No, no, it wasn't rude. When I look back now, and I spoke to rude about this. So you think about... Rare friends is no longer.

I had an option on the diagonal to be able to hit and I had an option in the feet so we played the single striker up front Rude who was brilliant at it who stood just in between the centre backs he wouldn't come across go on how long is this story going to be no serious it's crazy I know we just didn't show for you so basically the only time you could ever get it to him was if he passed it into Scholes and he'd then try and find Rude

But you couldn't find Ruud really outside the lines of the two centre-backs because he was told to stay in there. We played a different system for about two or three years. Anyway, I just... But one day I had the ball at Middlesbrough. We're away from home and it's like second half. We're not doing that well, I don't think, in the game. And I'm like, any chance of making a fucking run? I screamed it and shouted it. And he just snapped. He'd been coming for a couple of weeks, a couple of months, you know what I mean? But that usually happens. It's brewing, isn't it, for players? Yeah, but something like that will happen.

and I'm sure that's happened before but then there comes a point where you go you've had enough of each other but looking back now you look at Haaland now you look at Lewandowski now you look at these players who play that position really well you know they play in between those sort of 18 yard lines they don't come and play outside so I understand it a little bit more now but we've been used to playing that too up front but yeah it's good though it's good did he come for you though did he come for you he came for me at the end of the game yeah

But you needed it now. I think that, we've had this conversation before, it's good, I think it's good, let's offer a bit of steam because there's tension, isn't there, with people. But is it, what's it like after that? Because sometimes I think that, it's fine once, oh yeah, yeah, you don't want to drag it on for weeks. It's better off done, isn't it? Yeah. Better off doing that. I think that's probably something in our game we could do better. Have it out. I love a bunch of squeeze up. One. This is one. Hey, hey, hey, come on. Leave it, leave it. You know when it starts, everybody goes, come on, Lee, come on. LAUGHTER

So one question that's, to be fair, meaningless and one question that's quite deep. What's your favourite ice cream? Caramel. I'm not a massive... Caramel? Caramel, yeah. I don't really eat ice cream. That's the deep one. I don't know.

That's the intelligence one. Wow. A nice lolly, you mean? Ice cream. What's your favourite ice cream? A Magnum. A Magnum? White or... I like a Magnum. They're very expensive. I like the white ones. Oh, white chocolate. No! I used to really like you. Thank you. A white chocolate, just something white chocolate. You should sell ice cream in your coffee shop.

coffee shop in the summer in your coffee shop you should say ice cream no you need to drive one of them vans I love them weren't them like drug vans or what

I think they were drugs fans, really. They were fronts. They were fronts. When I think back, they were definitely drug fans. If you could change one thing about the world, what would it be? I think social media. It's made us all unsociable. I'd go back to before, like... I know you didn't say go back, but... Before camera phones or before social media. Like, just social media. Like, I don't know, everybody's just unsociable. You're never off it. Him? Him?

No, I'm actually not too bad, but I would go back to the... We've had no Wi-Fi in the house for like 10 days and it's just really changed the dynamic. We've been doing board games. I just feel like we've... Bore off. Snakes and ladders. I'd love world peace, Mia. Come on.

That's it. End of the episode. We didn't quite get to Scorsese. What thing you would change about the world? Yeah, Scorsese. Come on. Scorsese changed something in the world. We've got to the end. We haven't got to the end. We've got to the end. It's not Scorsese. Scorsese. To be taller? No, not yet. That's not very nice, is it? It's not nice. It's not. It's tightest. We can't have a walk. We can't have a laugh. We can't criticise. I've got a complex about that. It's not very nice. Chill to be small. No, you mean. Gary, we've got to take the film.

photo oh sorry I had a picture with some netball girls I was feeling fucking easy size doesn't matter Paul Jesus Gary honestly I'll get anything

Would you like to play it against me, Jill? You would have kicked me, wouldn't you? Yeah, I think we'd have had a good battle. Look, what would you change about the world? Look, everyone's checking their phones. Look, do you know what I mean? Just chat. See? And you're giving me stiff... Quizzes.

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